This past year's "beef" between Kendrick Lamar and Drake was nothing more than a contrived plot in order to distract the masses from the genocide in Gaza. Both rappers are signed to labels which are under the umbrella of UMG which is owned by ultra-Zionist Lucian Grainge. Every stream from Kendrick's music is being used to fund Zionist genocide of Palestinians. But this goes far deeper and I'm entirely convinced Kendrick Lamar is being covertly funded and propped up by the CIA.
Starting in the 1940s the CIA launched the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a think-tank designed to channel funds into the anti-Soviet left. They funded intellectuals, musicians and artists who appeared "leftist" but were actually anti-Marxist and anti-proletarian. This included propping up hideous and meaningless modern "art" as a means of alienating the working-class from the arts and ensuring art could only be appreciated by pompous cultured elites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggwThere is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason. Hip hop is primarily an anti-working class genre of "music," made by the black lumpenproletariat AKA the criminal underclass. Marx pointed out how the lumpen are an adversary of the genuine working-class, used by the elite classes to offset class struggle. The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason.
Now Kendrick has been receiving an unbelievable number of accolades for the past 12 years. He's won a Pulitzer Prize and upheld as the greatest cultural icon of recent history. Why? Because as American workers are starting to rise up, CIA-backed intellectuals promote rap as a way to offset any true proletarian culture from emerging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9wPxY-LUwEThis is evil.
>>2088449>And no one but lumpen and PMC elites cared for either.Not even true, sure you don't
get it, but you also totally undervalue the cultural space gained for anti-capitalist thought.
>>2088449>There’s a reason both genres emerged when neoliberalism was emerging. And no one but lumpen and PMC elites cared for either.Both genres have a fuck ton of songs shitting on the conditions caused by neoliberalism.
Jpegmafia, a prominent modern rapper, is a self-admited communist.
Rage against the machine also had communists as well.
>>2088431>that thumbnailClicked on it because I thought it was an actual Caleb Maupin video. Good job.
Also, can we send Caleb this thread to get his opinion on the matter?
>>2088467Leftypol is filled with people that have clearly never had sex or friends
I’d pity them if they weren’t so damned annoying that I want to kill them
>>2088431>Le rap beef distracted people from le war in foreign country they can barely do anything aboutIn reality the protests went unabated for the entire beef and indeed failed to accomplish anything
Le culture didn’t distract people from a conflict that doesn’t effect them in any overtly noticeable way, the majority didn’t care enough to revolt because nobody they knew was connected to the conflict
>>2088448>>2088449>>2088465This shit is all purely nonsensical, every last conspirafag trying to pass off their nonsense ramblings as “Marxism”, as if our theory centers on mind-control conspiracies of the elite genuinely needs to be fucking shot, this shit is the core of why almost all the internet left that aren’t dominated by idpol fags are a stone’s throw away from right wing LARP
>>2088431>UMG which is owned by ultra-Zionist Lucian GraingeThis is wrong.
UMG is listed on the stock market and the major shareholders are Tencent, Bill Ackman and the french Bollore family. Grainge isn't the owner. He is CEO and at the mercy of the major shareholder.
>>2088526I’m probably one of the only negroes on this board, not that it matters
Just what you’re writing reads like a fag whose only knowledge about life in this city comes from the schizo ramblings of 4chins faggots and whatever dogshit right wing media dominates whatever rural shithole or suburb you live in
Really
>Le gangs are just killing people randomly now, oh noes!Gang violence is still at a historic low in US cities, fucktard
>>2088530ive lived in new york my whole life lol
>stilllove how you didnt even deny my point, just added on the fact that the crime rate itself is lower. two things can be true at once, its not reactionary to say a problem needs to be solved.
>>2088532Hard time believing you’re from the city, what honky ass part of NY are you from?
Staten Island doesn’t count as “being from New York”
>My pointYou mean the point I called schizophrenic nonsense based on essentially no reportable incidents?
>>2088532The crime rate was higher and they were killing more random people you abosolute faggot
>ive lived in new york my whole life lolMeaning that you've lived in NYC sometime since the early to mid 2010s.
>>2088519Well, cultural revolution might be unecessary. Feud culture isn't something unique to black people, you also see this in areas like Sicily or the Balkans in the 19th century. I remember reading that at one point a quarter of all adult male deaths in Albania was caused by feuds and retaliation killings.
Fact is when you have way too many jobless dudes they will get into violent shit, and when you combine this with drug trade and extortion money you get organized crime. Organized crime should be treated as such, instead of singling out black culture or something
>>2088526my mom is a very lightskinned black woman and uses the really dark brown emojis, it's so cringe and larpy. She identifies super hard with her blackness despite not really talking in an AAVE "blackcent" due to her level of education and she constantly gets mistaken for Hispanic or Indian lol
She would say that I don't identify as any race because I'm just white enough to "pass as white" and to have white privilege but not white enough to really protect my whiteness, or something like that.
Anyway, I leave you with Ben Franklin's thoughts.
>>2088540Mate, this dude is spewing retarded nonsense, the so-called black crime rate, black gang membership, and gang violence in general has massively dropped from the 2000s, which was a huge drop from the peak in the 1980s
At this point it’s whining about the recurrent phenomena of criminality under capitalism and trying to inflate the issue like any fed-brained fag
>>2088549Probably the fact that Drake became vulnerable as he was seen as the main culprit for fully mainstreaming hip-hop, was more vulnerable as well for being seen as making soulless AI written music reliant on bot views to stay on top, and more than that, I think Kendrick Lamar articulated a way many people felt about Drake already but hadn’t put either into words or in a format that could be easily popularized
That or the dispute Drake was having with UMG around when the beef began
>>2088550Kendrick doesn’t seem the type who ever wanted to be part of his father’s world though, but I think it’s fair that, for a still relatively new genre that formed out of the alienation of urban black people from American society and their community with each other, it isn’t shocking at all that Kendrick would be repulsed by Drake
>>2088552>Probably the fact that Drake became vulnerable as he was seen as the main culprit for fully mainstreaming hip-hop, was more vulnerable as well for being seen as making soulless AI written music reliant on bot views to stay on top, and more than that, I think Kendrick Lamar articulated a way many people felt about Drake already but hadn’t put either into words or in a format that could be easily popularizedNo literally everthing you've said has been a million diss songs about Drake. The only thing new was Kendrick putting the word pedophile in a hot 100 song.
I never liked Kendrick that much, but everything he releases makes me like him less and less
DMX on Drake in 2012
<Interviewer: Real quick, what do you think about Drake doing an Aaliyah album that's coming out and not involving Missy Elliot?
>DMX: Man, it just shows what I’ve been saying… [Expletive]. Piece of [expletive]. Like, you didn’t even know this woman. You didn’t even know her! You were in middle school [when she was making music]. [Expletive]. You know, before, I didn’t say I didn’t like him because I didn’t know him. But now? I don’t like this. It’s like, “You [expletive] piece of [expletive].” What gives you the [expletive] right to do this? If you’re going to allow Aaliyah’s music to live on, you’ve got to include the people she worked with, the people who helped make her sound. It’s like saying, “I’m going to make KFC, but I’m not using the Colonel’s recipe.” That ain’t KFC. That’s your chicken. Your [expletive] chicken. That’s some [expletive]. It ain’t the same.
<Interviewer: Okay, but let’s get back to this. We still need to complete your top five. We’ve got Kane, Rakim, Scarface…
>DMX: Nah, hold on. This is [expletive]. I don’t give a [expletive] about that right now. What it comes down to is this: At least honor her legacy. Honor what she did. You don’t have the right to take something she built and make it yours. If you’re going to do it, do it in a way that respects what she accomplished.
<Interviewer: Respectfully, right?
>DMX: Right. Respectfully. If you’re taking her music and trying to carry it forward, honor her legacy. Don’t make it about you.
<Interviewer: Well, he does have a tattoo of Aaliyah on his back. Have you seen that?
>DMX: [Scoffs] Has he ever even met her?
<Interviewer: No, he’s never met her. But he’s always talked about her in interviews. He’s infatuated with her.
>DMX: Yeah, but infatuation isn’t the same as understanding or respect. You know, her uncle owns her label.
<Interviewer: That’s true.
>DMX: Look, I don’t have any say in what happens, but I’ve got my opinion. At the end of the day, you can’t [expletive] beat me for saying what I think.
<Interviewer: Have you ever met Drake?
>DMX: No. But I haven’t met one gangster [expletive] from Toronto either.
kek.
>>2088567Now I know why White people love Kendrick so much. He sounds like Linn-Manuel Miranda.
Lol I didn't even know he won a Pullitzer as well.
>>2088431>There is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason. Hip hop is primarily an anti-working class genre of "music," made by the black lumpenproletariat AKA the criminal underclass. Marx pointed out how the lumpen are an adversary of the genuine working-class, used by the elite classes to offset class struggle. The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason.Rap succeeds because it's confrontational, ambitious and even aspirational in its own way. It is well-received even by people far removed from the Black ghetto because it represents freedom, self-expression, and a personal will-to-power that is as attractive to kids in Ulaanbaatar as it was to kids in Watts. It was never forced on anyone but became a cultural powerhouse largely organically. As late as the mid 90s white America believed hip hop was a trend that was going to die out. 30 years later and hip hop has become the greatest cultural force in human history, more powerful today than the printing press was 400 years ago.
The intellectual elites whom you decry don't threaten anyone except populists. Meanwhile, said populists aren't able to create any art of their own. The values that the masses of proles hold most dear are obesity, sloth, anti-intellectualism, and most of all cruelty towards themselves and towards their perceived lessers. Their art is predictably bad as a result of this.
>>2088540This.
The ghettoification of black communities in the US came around the 1960s. The white flight followed by redlining caused it
>>2088629The problem with rap is the obnoxious oldhead fans who constantly find any excuse to hate on "modern" rap, despite the current rap having the same exact lyrical themes as the rap of the "OG" era.
Fans philosophise rap as "organic" when it's just a bunch of dickheads using rhymes to brag about their cliche mediocre endowments not unlike "yo momma" jokes.
>>2088552>>2088553>>2088555Bruh, Drake was hated for making rap music more emotionally intimate.
>>2088519That tribalism was in full swing in black communities by the 1990s.
>>2088542This.
Black on black crime is nowadays more isolated spats than actual gang activity
>>2088639Like I said, same exact same thing with Chris Brown. uygha you're from Virginia.
Lol even Prodigy talked about how he kinda felt self-conscious about claiming QB when he's from another hood and didn't start hanging out in QB until HS when he met Havoc. He was also emotional about how he felt QB really adopted him.
Imagine going international hood shopping.
>>2088535Yeah, it was higher back then mostly because gangs in the 80s were actually serious.
Nowadays, gangs in places like Chicago just run around shooting at opps with zero purpose or direction.
>>2088431>muh proletarian cultureYou write all that just to complain people don’t listen to tankie folk music like Woodie Guthrie anymore? And decided to fedjacket Kendrick because you’re jealous of his success?
Anyway, rap is dying but it’s being replaced by awful white girl pop like Billie Eilish and Chappell Roan and garbage pop country and reggaeton. Way too many songs about alcohol consumption.
>>2088715>Anyway, rap is dying but it’s being replaced by awful white girl pop like Billie Eilish and Chappell Roan and garbage pop country and reggaeton. Way too many songs about alcohol consumption.Rap also sang about booze too much.
Also we had more white girl pop in the 1980s thru 2000s.
>>2088532NYC has had crime reduction since the 90s.If you want real crime, go to Detroit or LA back in those days.
>>2088716wrong.
Rap music was about alcohol, weed, guns, hoes, clothes, cars, and mansions.
At least since 1992
>>2088638Tupac and Dr Dre were the first major rap artists to do it and theyre celebrated for it.
Also why you referring to Drake and Cgris Brown as batty men or fruity?
Because theyre lightskinned negroes that ooze ladies man charm rather than faux gangster?
>>2088639Doctor Dre and Tupac are also not gangsters.
Neither was Notorious BIG even Easy E.
But the real shocker?
Yankee negro gangsters are just glorified schoolbullies who never did interstate or international contraband deals.
>>2088964Gangster rap is punk for black folk.
Irony how bsck in the 1990s and 2000s, alot of white people hated on rap while glorifying punk.
>>2088965Photoshop
>>2089238Yes. Maupin claimed it was because Chris Smalls took inspiration from William Z Foster’s writings and Maupin was promoting WZF on his channel.
In reality, it wasn’t Smalls but Justine Medina who was inspired by Foster. Medina is an actual CPUSA member and she’s currently out on the picket lines right now (her IG is @jnmedina8989 in case you want to keep up with her during the strike).
Maupin’s ego is beyond enormous:
>>2089402Tupac grew up poor but he's was no gangster. He got into theater in high school.
Also, Doctor Dre was a black suburban boy who joined a electro pop group named World Class Wrecking Cru. They wore glamor outfits with makeup and stuff.
Eazy E is the only one who actually grew up a gangster.
>>2089426>Tupac grew up poor but he's was no gangster. Sure but he was grandfathered in (mothered in?) by his shitty life and it gave him actual insight. As he got older and famous he got a bunch of gangster friends and considering how he died he was obviously involved in something.
>suburban boyDre grew up in Compton and only transferred high schools.
>They wore glamor outfits with makeup and stuff.Being a flamboyant musician working clubs is a classic way to cover up drug crimes.
> grew up a gangster.You don't need to grow up a gangster to do crimes or become a gangster later in life. Everything about Death Row Records was shady af
It's funny I've always hated Drake so much. I am a half blood uygha from the hood and he's a half uygha from the means streets of Toronto, but mostly Hollywood. I don't know, personally always feeling the conflict where I was always friends with an all Black crew, my neighborhood was mostly Black. In Kindergarten I went to this afterschool at my best friend's house. He was really like the alpha of his crew and I was kinda like the number 2(depending on I guess his how I judged his opinion lol.) Me and him clicked so well because we were into all the same shit Swatcats, Godzilla, Megaman, Beast Wars, Transformers. But it was always like the next black friend would resent me, then it would become some racial thing. He moved shortly after but he came and visited me one time because his mom said he said of his friends he wanted to visit most was me, aww. Same thing happened to me a second time with a second group after I switched schools. Then after that I was in a mostly interracial friend group, this one guy was actually like the one Black kid in the group. Then when we went to Middle School, he was the only one who went to the same school with me in 6th grade, then he wanted to act like he didn't know me because he was trying to fit in with some Black group.
Hey look everyone! It's another "such and such arbitrary thing is fascist" thread! I can't wait for next week when we deem lego le bad because the second cousin of the guy who invented them said something mean about Stalin's uncle once.
Real talk, you people are infuriating. You call yourselves materialists, but you're among the most idealistic people I've ever met. Is rock music bad? Is anime bad? Are toenail clippers bad? What stupid fucking questions. But these are the only questions you people ever seem to ask! And I assume it's because those are the only questions you people are even capable of considering. You don't know anything of anything beyond what you've consoomed from the social media sites you claim to hate but for whatever reason waste hours upon hours of your lives on anyway. It's impossible to talk about anything of actual value on this godforsaken site, even on the ostensibly "quality" boards like /leftypol/ and /tech/. This place is a shithole and it gets worse by the day. Fuck you. Kill yourselves.
>>2088517Red Scare/MAGAcom/Stupidpol/ACP people do not exist outside of the internet. As soon as you leave this bubble, you realize just how small a cultural share they actually have.
>>2088431>Now Kendrick has been receiving an unbelievable number of accolades for the past 12 years. He's won a Pulitzer Prize and upheld as the greatest cultural icon of recent history. Why?If you bothered watching the video you linked you'd understand how great Kendrick is and why he deserves the praise.
It's not a conspiracy.
>>2089437ok now youre really reaching.
Dre was a suburban kid who never got involved in gang activities
Eazy E was more gangster but even he never was rough and tough like that.
Also, Death Row was started by Suge Knight being a black suburban football jock who was in over his head.
Tupac was a nobody who was more like Kendrick Lamarr than Scarface.
>>2089538>>2089543>>2089561>>2089568>>2089569Do not confuse rapping with GANGSTER RAP.
Rapping started as early as the 1940s.
It was in the form of jazz poetry and spoken word.
In the early-mid 1970s, in NYC, there was an emerging subculture of urban ethnic fashion, that was the black counterpart to punk.
That was what would becomr known as hip-hop.
Hip-hop was about the bling, graffiti, breakdancing and remixing R&B/disco instrumentals.
Rapping was a minimal psrt of it until Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight.
Actually, rapping probably existed for much longer than the 1940s. It existed in West African oral potery in form of griots, who were storytellers.
Not unlike sagas in Norse countries.
Sagas were adapted into Norse metal.
>>2089906Even in the days of classical art music, alot of the contemporsry styles were demonised.
Folk music and alternative music scales were seen as demonic.
>>2088517this.
Its not just the left, rge right too.
This pseudointellectual morakists transcend political axis. Theyre just self-absorved asocial nerds who still dream of having their "big day out."
Again this is what postboomer politics is all about.
>>2088517This.
Here's a challenge to the spergs ITT; try telling actual proles that you think hiphop is le evil and see what happens. There's a non-zero chance that you leave with some kind of bruise.
>>2089926Any socialism that emerges since the Soviet Union is merely a continuation of the Soviet Union.
And China does the same thing. They ban hip hop. They don’t give their kids MPCs and teach them how to “sample” (steal), they give them legitimate instruments and teach them how to play classical music. USSR and China compose some of the most epic classical music known to man. That’s because real socialism isn’t about romanticizing the gutter but about advancing humanity to heights unheard of.
>>2090026And yet they allow punk.
Also, hip hop isnt evil within itself.
Any governmnt that treads on youth culture often has a lot of skeletins in their closet.
>>2090026Also, the best classical art music came from Germany and Austria.
Unlees youre referring to ethnoclassical music.
>>2090031>That's just factually wrong lmao what the fuck is wrong with youHe knows.
I've seen him say that here before and I doubt there are many schizos on the internet who 'believe' this and know of leftypol.
>>2089912Nah it probably comes from roasts and etc out of Jamaican dancehall culture.
Butgers like to just pretend it's all stems from them.
>>2089904I'm not reaching for anything. You seem to think people need to grow up with gangs or they can't work with gangs for the rest of their life. Which is wrong, obviously.
It doesn't matter if they were "gangsters" as teenagers. By they time they were in their 20's they were working with street gangs and they used their success in rap to got a bunch of criminal friends and then committed a bunch of crimes personally. Brown and Drake never had the guts.
>>2090075Burger cope
DJ Kool Herc was even Jamacian.
>>2090026> They don’t give their kids MPCs and teach them how to “sample” (sI doubt anyone's parent ever has got them an MPC
T. Knows a lot of guys with MPCs.
>>2090111That doesn't even make sense. He invented looping so how could he be influenced?
Lol this is the article on toasting as well.
>In the late 1950s in Jamaica, one of the first Selector,[1] also being a promoter optimized of using a mic and to entertain an audience while playing records was Count Matchuki.[2] He conceived the idea for being comically entertaining from listening to commercial ads and disc jockeys on American radio stations etc.[3] He would create and come up with comical phrases also doing African American jive over the music while selecting and playing R&B musicAnyeays I can find you examples of American "toasting" as well. It's literally just a nursery rhyme with a backing track.
>>2090072Hip-hop probably came from Jamaica.
But rapping came from West Africa and went to North America and the Caribbean
>>2090113>That doesn't even make sense. He invented looping so how could he be influenced?Looping existed long before he did.
>>2090082So then you admit then that gangster rap is just proxy.
Those guys who weren't involved in gang activity, had no reason to be because they got good grades and good job opportunities only went along with the thug life for aesthetics.
>>2090144>So then you admit then that gangster rap is just proxy.Maybe 'Catalyst' is a better description. But by the time Brown and Drake where around times had changed. Early 90s isn't the aughts
>Those guys who weren't involved in gang activityI don't know why you think that is difficult especially during the late 80s and early 90s. They were not all tight nit groups with strict membership rules and they often worked with outsiders. Lower level drug deals happen all the time and anyone can pick up a gun to mug or shot someone or try to get on the good side of a random gang.
>they got good grades and good job opportunitiesDepends on who we're talking about but anyone with potential success can commit crimes to get even farther. Suge was that guy
>only went along with the thug life for aesthetics.Yeah, it was what their early success was based on but why wouldn't they get swept up in the larger culture? That's what happened to Tupac.
>>2090179Tupac was a sociopolitically conscious rapper. He wasnt supposed to be about bling bling. He got caught up in lumpenbourg shit when he met with Haitian Jack, a Caribbean immigrant ganglord in NYC
Also, you understand that gabgster rap is always bragging about how hard they had it, talking about how they succeeded all by themselves. Yet theyre all two bits.
Theres a reason gangster rappers loved Donald Trump. He speaks their language.
Also gangs are territorial.
If you associate with a specific gang you cannot easily work with other ones because word goes around fast
>>2090695He means Woody Guthrie songs from the 30s and Soviet music with no connection to the lives of people outside Eastern Europe
That’s the sort of clown performance MLs are usually on
Almost all their subcultural tendencies reek of men who have never had sex and had very few friends throughout life. Really tendies enjoyers. >>2090784Tupac was wilding out with his shittalking about killing/hurting East Coast rappers.
He also was harassing Puff Daddy and his associates because of the Qyad studio shooting in late November 1994.
But what happened was Haitian Jack and his friends were friends with Andre Harrel who was CEO of Uptown Records. Puff Daddy worked at Uptown amd was managing another label named Bad Boy.
Puff Daddy was at the Quad Studio at the time of Tupac being ambushed.
Haitian Jacks friend Jimmy Henchman did the ambush on Tupac because Tupac as starting to get mouthy with Haitian Jack after the incident of where Haitian Jacks friends raped Tupacs date.
Biggie warned Tupac prior to this to not hang out with Haitian Jack and friends.
>>2088431>Why Academic Elites Love Hip HopYou know who else loves hiphop? The working class. If you're talking to a guy who's 40 or younger and he's working class, chances are extremely high that he likes hiphop. Mayhaps the popular genre of music is popular? You might not like it, but who the fuck are you? Some middle class internet LARPer freak who thinks he knows better than actual members of the working class because he read the Wikipedia article about Stalin. I fucking hate this reddit paternalism of the proletariat. You claim to represent us, and yet you hate everything about us. What's with that? Just admit that you're a fascist and go back to /pol/. You people make me sick.
>>2090679Idealists should be banned on sight.
No shit all the mainstream hiphop is liberal or reactionary; all of the big record lables are owned by the bourgeoisie, for reasons that, I think, should be pretty self explanatory. Do you seriously think that they'd let a genuine leftist have any kind of serious platform?
>>2091176I swear, it's as if /leftypol/ has become /siberia/. I unironically thought that this
was a /siberia/ thread at first, that's how bad it's gotten.
Definitely top 10 reactionary conspiracies is that the CIA controls hip-hop in order to make the black community do crime, as if the hip-hop music and the crime and destitution that it discusses isn't actually a reflection of the systemic issues in the class society. It's incredibly un-Marxist to think such nonsense. There was some meeting between the CIA and hip-hop executives, and now the whole thing's a big psy-op. Before they were shucking and jiving on BET, they were on the road to revolution or whatever it is that some fucking idiot's going to post.
Homeland and Hip-Hop
[Mumia Abu-Jamal]
Homeland and Hip-Hop
To think about the origins of hip-hop in this culture
And also about Homeland Security
Is to see that there are, at the very least, two worlds in America One of the well-to-do and another of the struggling
For if ever there was the absence of homeland security, it is seen in the gritty roots of hip-hop
For the music arises from a generation that feels, with some justice
That they have been betrayed by those who came before them That they are at best tolerated in schools, feared on the streets And almost inevitably destined for the hell holes of prison
They grew up hungry, hated, and unloved
And this is the psychic fuel that generates the anger that seems endemic in much of the music and poetry
One senses very little hope above the personal goals of wealth to climb above the pit of poverty
In the broader society, the opposite is true
For here, more than any other place on earth, wealth is so widespread and so bountiful
That what passes for the middle class in America could pass for the upper class in most of the rest of the world
Their very opulence and relative wealth makes them insecure And homeland security is a governmental phrase that is as oxymoronic as crazy as saying military intelligence
Or the U.S Department of Justice
They're just words, they have very little relationship to reality Now do you feel safer now? Do you think you will anytime soon?
Do you think duct tape and Kleenex and color codes will make you safe?
From Death Row, this is Mumia Abu-Jamal
>>2091215Bruh, rap music from the 1990s was mainly materialistic as fuck. There were few genuine conscious rappers. That majority died off by 1993.
It wasminaky ghetto shit from 1992 to present.
>>2091217>You know who else loves hiphop? The working class. This is just workerism. Just because workers like a thing or dislike a thing doesn't mean it's now inherently right or wrong.
But I agree otherwise. Calling hip hop "anti-working class" just because sometimes the lyrics seem to glorify crime ignores a lot of context including the sound of the music itself.
>>2091215>The deep state kills good and class conscious rappers like Biggie, 2Pac, Easy E while letting opportunists like Dr. Dre take everything.Bruh I'm so tired of this martyrdom they do for Tupac, Biggie, and Eazy E. Those guys were not saints. They weren't as deep or empathetic as you think. Especially Eazy. They were in over their head and started wanting more degeneracy out of life due to their fame. They sought disses and gunfights.
All they did was brag about parties, sex, cars and jewelry
And they hide it behind their neglected scholastic interests.
No different from typical philosophers.
Arrogant bookworms who got too caught up in their own artistic skills to pay attention to the real world.
>>2091217>You know who else loves hiphop? The working class. If you're talking to a guy who's 40 or younger and he's working class, chances are extremely high that he likes hiphop. Mayhaps the popular genre of music is popular? You might not like it, but who the fuck are you? Some middle class internet LARPer freak who thinks he knows better than actual members of the working class because he read the Wikipedia article about Stalin. I fucking hate this reddit paternalism of the proletariat. You claim to represent us, and yet you hate everything about us. What's with that? Just admit that you're a fascist and go back to /pol/. You people make me sick.This Pop culture critics are just nostalgiatards who cannot abstain from their inner child.
>>2091283Exactly.
Surreal slapstick has been a thing from the Dadaist movement
>>2090026>They don’t give their kids MPCs and teach them how to “sample” (steal), they give them legitimate instruments and teach them how to play classical music. USSR and China compose some of the most epic classical music known to man. Ironically, one of hip hop's most beloved and revered producers admitted he grew up listening to classical music (says so around the 29 mark).
>>2091217Maupin, Haz, and the rest of them propagate this nonsense because they can't accept the fact that the straight-white-socially conservative male from "Middle America" is no longer the default when it comes to who makes up the working-class in the so-called United States in this point in history. They continually push the idea that MAGAts will be the ones to usher in socialism (LOL!) simply because they're against the "woke establishment". Never mind the fact most Trumpers are petit-bourg or middle-class.
Their hatred of hip hop comes from this. Seeing Kendrick win awards and be praised enrages them because Kendrick's music is alien to them; they believe popular culture needs to reflect small town white guy values in order for it to speak to the people. Which brings up the point that if all art did was reinforce so-called traditional values it would cease to be innovative or break free from the box.
>>2091506Yes you make me think about how it's bigger than hip, hop, hip hop. Really the phenomenon predates hip hop and starts with gangster movies or I guess whatever folk legends of criminals like Butch Cassidy or whoever before that.
It's a strange phenomenon to be like:
>I couldn't rob and extort people for money>But my hats off to that guy who couldI guess it's basically just celebrity worship culture.
>>2088675Open borders are ant-Marxist.
>>2091217The working-class in America and elsewhere never wanted hip hop until the cultured elites began forcing it on everyone. It’s exactly the same story with jazz. When jazz first became a thing the masses of Americans hated it and saw it as degenerate, but the high end literati loved it and promoted it to no end. Even CPUSA’s publication New Masses decried jazz as bourgeois (rightfully so) and said folk music was the true proletarian art form. Intellectual elites push garbage lumpen music in everyone to demoralize and alienate the working-class from the arts. This was as true 100 years ago as it is now.
>>2091301Miss, take a look at who wrote J Dilla’s biography and then take a look at the university he works for and what that university’s new policy on Palestine is.
Or ask yourself why a hip hop producer would get music theory books written about him at all. The same people who think that J Dilla pushing buttons on a sampler was “innovative” are the same people who think Jackson Pollock splashing paint on a canvas was “innovative.”
Or ask yourself why rap albums like Nas’ Illmatic or Wu Tang Clan’s Enter the Wu Tang are now considered the greatest albums ever made, even surpassing Sgt. Pepper and Dark Side of the Moon.
You honestly deny there’s an agenda here? When do musicians who make authentically proletarian music even win these kinds of praises by the artistic establishment?
>>2091953Jazz is the basis of all modern music lol. If you want to learn modern music in school you learn Jazz.
Lol pushed by "the elites," like the most famous classical composers like Stravinsky and Gershwin lmao.
>>2091973Same user
Point example this cringe try hard thread about Hip Hop and THE BLACKS just being mindless pawns apart of some elaborate CIA project
Yeah we know how hip hop and gang violence was used by the media and government to entrap black youth and pipeline them to jail
Your terminally online theory about a rap beef being some secret CIA project to take away from Palestine instead of acknowledging how your kinfolk in America support Israel with open arms and the failure of the white left to do anything meaningful about Anti-Zionism support.
Much easier to pontificate bullshit like this
>>2092015Wrong. Gangster rap is bad
You haven't listened to any jazz potery
>>2091961> Or ask yourself why a hip hop producer would get music theory books written about him at all.How about you read the damn book so you’ll know why?
> Dan Charnas teaches at NYU Okay, so anything and anyone connected to NYU needs to be boycotted as part of BDS? You know Spike Lee teaches at the same school? Should we boycott all his films now?
>>2092056Nobody thinks Drake is gangster.
He isn't
>>2092056It was a joke homosexual zoom zoom. Obviously there is no such things as an open homosexual gangster. Was referencing Drake's lyrics where he claims he has uyghurs murdering uyghurs for him.
He acts like a homosexual, he acts like a gangster, obviously one one of those things can be real
>>2092024For all the stupid shit they've done they've had some big successes in the cold war especially all the countries they've coup and workers movements they've destroyed. But yeah you are right in that they are still powerful with lots of money but the CIA of yesteryear doesn't exist anymore.
>>2092037Disgusting. Feel sorry for all the people born into backwards primitive cultures.
>>2091978Again, non-black users speaking confidently on shit they don’t know
Rap music “peaked” in popularity after the streaming era in 2016 when it dominated streaming charts and the Hot 100 until about 2020-2021
If you mean the “golden age” of hip hop where it a lot of the critical praise for art made during that time period, late 80s thru the 90s, has nothing to do with how hip hop was reflected within mainstream institutions nor its accessibility to the average person
>>2092230Sure, in artistic merit you can say that
Objectively Rap as a business and music genre was most popular once streaming became mainstream and this coincided with its domination in the pop culture sphere from 2016-2021, this isn’t even debatable information
G-Unit, Hov, Kanye, who’s artistry ascends hip hop spaces compared to names like YBN Nahmir, Lil Yachty, etc doesn’t matter and superstars of any music genre always persist in one shape or another
>>2092228>>2092228>>Rap music “peaked” in popularity after the streaming era in 2016 when it dominated streaming charts and the Hot 100 until about 2020-2021T. Lil Nas x and Post Malone
Lmao.
>>2092234Thanks for proving my point. Hip Hop occupied more space in Top 40 charts during 2016-2021 in relation to other genres
Yall are menacing yourselves
>>2092233Bro you want to be the token and then you want to act like you is the realest field uygha ever
Lmao. That shtick might work for some.
>>2092237*embarassing>>2092240
Who cares what you think or If you think I’m a token or not uygha, who are you? lol l
>>2092252Again you don’t know me and I think it’s annoying when dipshit whites makes threads pontificating on shit they don’t know about but hey here we are 👍🏾
you can either read me post and get mad or get over it. No one cares
>>2092254You keep replying to me. I don't like ypur garbage posts, you don't like me calling them out. Here we are.
YOU are the one who made it about your uygharish credentials, so it is material what kinda of uygha you are.
>>2092257NOOO YOU CANT RUIN OUR SAFE SPACE
I>>2092259
>>2092259>>2092259>>2092259You can’t be, it’s anonymous image board. I don’t get value in “trolling” as another race the day after christmas on leftypol. You think the Feds are gonna pay anyone to do this?
In all honesty this board needs more threads like these but hopefully from users more well read and not leftists doing dogshit “Marxist” analysis over pop culture BA
>>2092261It is obvious to some degree the Feds were involved in promoting anti-Palestinian content in the black community so if anything
I do think there is some merit in this beef stuff getting pushed in May during the height of all those college encampments (I think this deserves its own thread)
And all of that “what did Palestinians ever do for Black people” BS was definitely pushed by the FBI to try and get Kamala the edge
>>2092090First, as with any popular movement, it starts with a spiritual revival. The working families of America need to realize hip hop was a cultural hoax promoted for purely counter-revolutionary means. Just like how most working families don’t trust academic elites they will soon form a distrust in rap “music” and all those celebrating rap “music.”
When this happens the masses of Americans will demand hip hop be removed from record shops and streaming platforms. In its place will be music that’s authentic to the American working-class such as folk music which celebrates being a worker. Classical music will also be promoted by the socialist state as it already is in China and Russia. Children will be taught legitimate instruments from a young age. When this happens they will realize hip hop has never been good “music” but demoralizing trash.
>>2092302Bruh, youre three decades too late. Rap was always pathologised since day one. And most rap wasn't even gangster until the early 1990s.
But ok, if you wanna ban rap, what about rock n roll?
>>2092302You're actually fucking delusional lmao
Anyway, thoughts on
>>2090031?
>>2092334The black version.
Jesus Christ how much they elevated the song. It's like a folk guy has a great idea. He needs some Black guys to flesh ot out and perform it.
>>2091953What the fuck are you talking about?
No shit the bourgeois has an outsized influence on culture. They're the more powerful social class. What happend with Jazz happened a million times over prior, you're just not aware of them because you're sufficiently removed from them.
The extra irony here is that you suck off boring classical music, and guess who that was made by and for? I'll give you a hint, it's not the working classes!
You refuse to interact with actual living, breathing proletariat, and instead want to deal with an idealized version of us from 200 fucking years ago. Guess what, captain retard? You're stuck with us. You're going to have to meet us at our level. We're sure as fuck not going to meet you at yours.
>>2091301>they believe popular culture needs to reflect small town white guy values in order for it to speak to the people.That doesn't even make sense though. Small town white guys like hiphop.
>>2092359Paintings as mass propaganda stopped mattering well before Pollock. Avant-garde art is even more niche.
Newspapers, advertisements, radio, TV and movies were much more important than random CIA projects.
>>2092359Promoting capitalist cultural supremacy is also the primary goal of intellectuals in the West (
>>2088431 (You) ). They give the illusion that the capitalist West is so open-minded and accepting that they will listen to the music made by marginalized peoples. It’s also why they’re allowed to openly criticize the capitalist system. Even Chomsky has said that by criticizing capitalism he’s ironically doing the bidding of capitalism, by showing how America is such an open society that it will allow dissidents to have a voice. Compare that to countries like China and Iran which have largely broken out of the capitalist model: if they allow any public dissent they’re societies would crumble
>>2092520While Furr isn't particularly charismatic if he was alive during the 50s he wouldn't be allowed to fanboy Stalin without consequences. Probably never get published or allowed a real position in a university at the very least.
Currently America is getting ready to blacklist and treat anyone who speaks positively of the CPC as traitors. They have already started with actual Chinese people, kicking them out of western academic institutions and STEM fields. But eventually they will allow a Trotsky-like opposition figure to have all the benefits of "free speech" while suppressing real communists.
>>2092624America doesn't need Isreal to be an ethnostate for it to be a puppet. Apartheid is a bad look too.
However, Communism is an existential threat to it's capitalist ruling class.
>>2091953Your stupid mindset is rooted in terminally online culture war bullshit. What makes you believe you have the ability to organize the proletariat when your "plans" don't even address the deteriorating
working/living conditions they're dealing with? If you suggest they should stop listening to their favorite genres, they'll look at you like a nimrod.
You sound like an upper-middle class dweeb who's detached from reality. Get help.
>>2092230Whats the difference between "nurap/trap" and "crunk"?
The lyricsl themes and dress style are the same.
>>2092228Rap was popular in the 1990s in mainstream institutions.
Also, a lot of the "golden age hip hop" is often the gangster or it's subcultural adjacent to gangsterism
>>2093533I also find it ridiculous to assume the CIA is covertly controlling every little aspect of popular culture as if musicians themselves have no agency.
Hell, even Kanye said a while back that if the Illuminati is real it's composed of energy companies, not artists who make music for a living.
ITT: 4chan nazis do PMC Hitler art criticism of their settler apartheid enslaved workers in their nazi ghettos. For some mysterious reason, this fascist website spent a lot of time talking about "Jews" and "Zionists" but never said the words 'settler colonialism' to do basic historical materialism to explain the mode of consciousness behind hip hop.
www.readsettlers.org
The American development aid organisation USAid has been secretly trying to infiltrate Cuba's underground hip-hop movement.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/cuban-hip-hop-scene-infiltrated-us-information-youth>>2089906>strict piano teachers who will exorcise your soul from its retarded country/rap/metal/rock/etc. obsession possession"The working class is soulless unlike me, a fart sniffing 4chan nazi with delusions of having friends who love me"
>>2091961>ask yourself why a hip hop producer would get music theory books written about him at all.4chan nazis baffled that anyone would appreciate black art, this is because they are soulless and will never, ever be proletarian.
>You honestly deny there’s an agenda here? (very weak and whiny PMC Tucker Carlson nazi voice)
>>2092302>First, as with any popular movement, it starts with a spiritual revivalthe most soulless creature I've seen in days is yapping about revival, buddy the only reason you care about 'demoralization" is you're a bloodless impotent loser lol
>>2093270They have very idealistic view of the working class, seeing it as this immovable monolith that never changes ever and only "truly" likes and believes what they think it ought to. In reality, the tastes and social values of the working class vary wildly based on material conditions. Outside of basic economic interests, the working class of modern America is nothing like the working class of late-19th/early-20th century Russia, mostly because they don't live in late-19th/early-20th century Russia. The probable cause is that they really don't care about the class struggle, and are really just larpers.
I think the biggest thing that OP misses is that the lower classes of the US are, as a rule, intensely class-aspirational, and are wont to emulate the tastes and behaviors of the rich and famous. This kind of attitude only wanes when class-antagonisms are particularly strong, and even then, it's almost always selectively. Poor Americans aren't going to listen to music about being poor, they're going to listen to music about driving expensive cars, banging hot chicks, and partying all night, because they think if they only worked a little bit harder, then that lifestyle could be theirs.
>>2088715>>2090863Once again, Occam's Razor. The reason we don't have a modern-day Woodie Guthrie is pretty damn simple:
The Black working poor see music (specifically hip hop) as the way out of poverty.
The white working poor see trade school as the way out of poverty.
There is no conspiracy. Poor whites in the flyover states don't encourage their teens to pick up an acoustic guitar and sing about the trials and tribulations of being a manual labourer in 2025 and post their music to SoundCloud in hopes of it going viral.
Black proles also live in cities where the main resource is PEOPLE, e.g. it's much easier to network and meet other like-minded musically-inclined people to help you get your foot in the door. Someone's friend of the friend has industry connections. Meanwhile, white proles living in rural Oklahoma or eastern Kentucky don't have those nearby networks. Again, no conspiracy.
>>2101107Correct. It's Revolver.
>>2101122>Correct. It's Revolver.It is just funny "music critics" and "music historians" are always talking about Sgt Pepper and I have literally never heard someone say it is their favorite. I think for me personally White or Abbey. I even put Magical Mystery tour above. I rank the albums by how many great songs are on them .
I think the only truly great song on Sgt is A Day In The Life. All the rest I like like on that album are still kinda meh. Like Strawberry Fields and Walrus is a better druggy nonsense songs than Lucy.
>>2101654White folk music is only popular among weird hipsters these days. Old working class likes rock, young working class likes hiphop, and both like modern country, which incorporates elements from both.
And before you say it, no, you don't know the tastes of the proletariat more than they do, you idealist freak.
>>2101654See:
>>2101122Hip hop is where all the musical innovation is. White people haven’t done anything noteworthy as far as music is concerned for decades.
>>2101678Black anon here.
Hip hop isn't innovative at all. It keeps using samples of other peoples instrumental tracks.
The lyrical themes are all cliche machismo posturing about "realism".
They all exaggerate their personal struggles while lusting after women, jewelry, drugs, cars, and mansions.
They all complain about "current year hip hop is garbage" despite there being no change to lyrical or production values for three decades.
What's worse is that hip hop wasn't even originally gangster. It was wholesome inner city block party music.
>>2101663Ironically, it’s the “PMC” which has the biggest appreciation for old school Americana folk music.
Proles in the flyover states listen to top 40 bullshit.
>>2101839This is actually true.
The social reality is that proles prefer the commerical stuff while the elite enjoys the antiquated things.
>>2101960>Support striking union is different from organizing into union.If you want to play semantic games, that is technically true. But at that point the implication is that you're supportive of unions, but not the formation of unions, which is fucking retarded.
I'd be more willing to respect MAGAcom people if anything they said made even a lick of sense.
>>2102356>I'd be more willing to respect MAGAcom people if anything they said made even a lick of sense.Just by looking at the entirety of this thread and you'll see clear as day that MAGAcomms see "working-class" as a cultural aesthetic first.
Like white-guy-with-acoustic-guitar folk music and country? WORKING CLASS!
Like hip hop? LUMPEN! Or PMC!
It's not about relations of production or even the simple base-superstructure shit, but about who more closely aligns with the idealized "worker" they have in their minds (e.g. white, male, socially conservative family man, small town American).
>>2103167Bruh you're wrong.
Especially this:
>. It's only populist retards who claim being a retarded simpleton is somehow threatening to the ruling elite's power. Why do you think there's zero talk of an education crisis in America despite your average American reading at a 3rd grade level?People have been talking about the educational crisis for decades. Also, ironically, most people do read at a "third to fifth grade" level.
Not just in America but around the world.
Also the claim that elites want people to remain stupid is ironically a self fulfilling prophecy.
Conspiracy theorism and confusing academic skills with life skills is rampant.
>>2103180Academic skills arent really life skills.
We have a society of people who cannot change car tires, cook a meal, do basic home repair, etc.
But they can talk for hours about politics.
There's a strong contempt against teaching kids how to use hardware tools or count money or plant fruits and vegetables
>>2103175You're willfully misreading me
I'm saying that the accusations of the elites intentionally dumbing down society are often self-fulfilling
>>2103407wrong thread mods please delete this (my post)
thanks
>>2103193Most people can’t “talk for hours about politics”, at least not in a meaningful way. The vast majority of people rely only on emotion and can barely think critically about anything.
Again, only complete idiots (and anti-Marxists) believe “academic elites” are the problem.
>>2089330>>2089336Why do you guys act like the major problem with porkies is that they're pro-Israel?
If most of the world's billionaires were Palestinian and pan-Arabist, would they be any less evil?
>>2103477Then you understand then that it's better to have a curriculum based around teaching kids about how to do taxes and do home repairs than to teach them about arguing politics.
Because while I hate anti-intellectualism, I'm beginning to sympathised a bit with that kind.
Alot of self proclaimed academics are just so snooty.
They think their knowledge about abstractional objects is superior than those who only know how build/fix machinery.
>>2108405Thanks for proving my point. Everyone thinks theit opponent is wrong and doesn't know how to argue politics. It eouldnt matter if I was lib, right, or left. If I dont appeal to your opinions, I'm wrong.
The problem with academia is that it expects everyone to agree with each other by merely studying abstractional stuff while denying technical skills.
>>2108477Revolutions aren’t solely made by technical skills, dipshit. Woodworking teaches you how to make a birdhouse. Humanities teaches you why inequality is bad and how capitalism is killing our souls. You keep making these false dichotomies which are asinine.
Keep in mind, the Black Panthers made an effort to teach DiaMat to their members. The USSR was very big on teaching abstract ideals to its citizens. Even the Spanish anarchists put a great deal of work into education.
I’m 100% certain you’re just being a troll.
>>2108685Guess whatt? The guys had technval skills backing them up. That's why their academic division was so good.
Also I'm not a troll.
Would any postmodern leftist movement of current year be as successful with their lack of technical skills?
>>2108732Technical skills are looked down upon as unnecessary and detrimental to education.
Most people think their kids are too good to need skills on power tools and food prep.
They want their kids to be as learned in algebra and language arts.
They want their kids to be in spelling bees and advanced placement classes.
Everyone thinks academic skills are the only essential skills nowadays.
And guess what? It has contributed to consumerism.
Schools are becoming more and more like social clubs and even secondary homes.
>>2109289Schizo and inaccurate by all accounts.
Please leave.
>>2109346How am I wrong though?
But yea I will leave because you guys here are solipsistic
>>2088431I agree with you and it is an objective
fact that the CIA helped found "gangsta rap" alongside their work starting the crack epidemic and trade in disparaged communities;
THOUGHBEIT, I think Kendrick *is* part of the working people. All of his music throughout the "beef" has been saying "FUCK THIS SOCIETY, FUCK THIS BULLSHIT, FUCK GANGSTA RAP AND KILLING EACHOTHER BECAUSE WE'RE POOR."
>>2101105This doesn’t explain anything. Why has hip hop gotten such extreme critical praise compared to any other genre of music?
>>2103167The ruling class wants us to be “cultured” because it drives a wedge between us and the rest of the working-class. Working-class people don’t care for big abstract ideas. They long for pragmatism and order. They demand art and music that speaks to their values that they can digest. I shouldn’t need a humanities PhD to “appreciate” the music which your university professor is telling me to appreciate.
>>2109551Kendrick Lamar’s music largely promotes the values of the old school aristocracy, not the values of the proletariat. Hip hop in general is extremely Nietzschean.
>>2109733>Working-class people don’t care for>They long for>They demandWorking class Americans like hiphop, and modern country music that contains heavy hiphop elements. These are far and away the most popular genres here, and I can tell you from experience that if you have a get together with these people, this is going to be the music they'll put on.
I don't get why you take such an idealistic view of the proletariat. Is it perhaps because you're not one of us?
>>2088431>This past year's "beef" between Kendrick Lamar and Drake was nothing more than a contrived plot in order to distract the masses from the genocide in Gaza. Both rappers are signed to labels which are under the umbrella of UMG which is owned by ultra-Zionist Lucian Grainge. Every stream from Kendrick's music is being used to fund Zionist genocide of Palestinians. But this goes far deeper and I'm entirely convinced Kendrick Lamar is being covertly funded and propped up by the CIA.Cool story bro. Boycott Kendrick and Drake out of self-righteous "solidarity with Palestine" and you'll soon find yourself boycotting the entire music industry. In fact, if you're American you might as well stop paying any taxes.
>>2092250Most American universities receive federal funding and that includes funding from the CIA. Because despite what fedjacketers want you to believe, "the CIA" isn't a single thing but a bunch of different agencies all operating under the same umbrella agency, The wing of the CIA funding NYU and Kendrick's record label isn't the same wing of the CIA that's overthrowing governments in LatAm and instigating colour revolutions in pro-Russia nations. That's why the whole "the CIA funds modern art and French theory" thing that Caleb Maupin and Hinkle love propagating is a canard. Academia and the arts are given loads of government funding in most countries. It's just that America does it so sparsely that every time it funds a slam poetry festival or something it's immediately assumed to have a nefarious agenda.
>>2109522XXXTentacion was able to get billions of streams in an entirely organic manner given he was blackballed from the music industry for being a serial domestic abuser.
People act like the entire music industry is fake and manipulated ahead of time, and while that's true to a large extent there's still a very decent organic element to it. If the industry was entirely concocted someone like Ice Spice wouldn't have gone from the biggest name in music to a complete has-been within less than a year.
>>2109736Proles already understand their circumstances. Why are you so against technical skills?
Why you people think theory is the only thing proles need?
>>2088431Dismissing an entire music genre offhand is idealism to the extreme, not to mention extremely closeminded. And I'm saying that as someone who thinks the vast majority of hip-hop is unlistenably bad.
>>2111037It really does thoughbeit.
>>2111198 (me)
I want to make it clear that I like this stuff mostly because I think it looks nice, not for its content.
>>2106619Not Like Us is soft shit.
This is what a real evil diss track sounds like.
>>2111176I think the Stasi were clued into a specific dynamic at work with subcultures like this. The "exchange of information and ideas" part means these people liked to have venting sessions to their West German anarchist peers if they had a chance, bonding over how it's
literally Nazism if your country isn't completely americanized yet.
It literally doesn't matter if any of them ever were CIA stooges. The western part of their subculture was shaped in such a way as to facilitate extraction of intelligence about the east and insertion of cultural trends that led to an eventual colour revolution. Just by being innocently part of that culture they were being instrumentalized. Ever since 1989 you will notice every single colour revolution trying to recapture the spirit and self-image of being a punk in oppressive East Germany, regardless if that has any basis in reality. They tried to pull this in the already Libtard-occupied Georgia ruled by a Pro-EU party.
>>2109945The CIA bungles just as many operations as it wins.
They spent $6 MILLION installing a camera and microphone into a cat as part of a spy mission, only to see the cat get hit by a car.
They also tried to assassinate Castro hundreds of times only for comrade Fidel to basically die of old age.
Anyone who thinks the CIA is some all-powerful puppeteer is literally retarded.
>>2109945>The wing of the CIA funding NYU and Kendrick's record labelEVERY SINGLE FUCKING GOVERNMENT funds universities and the arts.
University profs writing books on hip hop's greatest and TDE "receiving money from the CIA" means very little to nothing.
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