>>2113888Probably, but it'd be difficult for people who've neither had a revolution nor had to navigate socialist construction to make such a confident conclusion, based on generalisations like China being identical to the west and thus the same criticisms made about western markets and capitalism can be mindlessly applied exactly to China's market and state capitalism, Chinese class consciousness is the same as the west's level of class consciousness and that's why their proletariat is supposedly as accepting of capitalism as the average western proletarian.
As a critique, it's just a disrespectful level of disinterest in what they're choosing to critique and, yes, that's because of chauvinism.
>>2113991The DPRK is a small nation fighting for it's survival, it's not likely to damage the egos of the western chauvinists. But looks, I've explained over and over that worthwhile and effortful critiques are fine, but assertions that one can critique China because they understand the west is chauvinism. Arguing that China isn't socialist because its development hasn't reached it's conclusion yet and therefore it never will, fine, that's merely just overzealous with wanting to write off China's project and probably is out of a chauvinistic desire to not see China succeed and that's the cope, but strictly speaking it wouldn't be an intrinsically chauvinistic critique, just a pointless one.
But there, is that enough of a compromise? Will you stop repeatedly replying to the effect of
>Hmm nah I'm not convinced, I think you just WANT to see chauvinism in westoids presuming to school China on socialism from a position of little success >>2113997 (me)
And honestly the more I look into it through xhs queer people may have it better in china than most places. Main issue seems to be laws about discrimination towards them are binarized, but that's gonna improve soon.
It's funny that Saboflair up there is arguing that "actually, no chauvinism"
And then there's this guy,
>>2114074 making these sorts of presumptive statements.
>The Chinese people are so contented with their corporatist economy, their quality of life, that it doesn't occur to them they should be mad they are slaves? That's a depressing thought and shows that China desperately needs Proletarian Violence badly.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_ChinaCouple of things:
1. Right back at you that Western people are so contented with the everything that they can't even be bothered to fight against their genocide-supporting governments.
2. You couldn't even be bothered to like, look it up? Yeah I get that half the examples on the page are glowops, but the other half ain't, protest and dissent in the PRC is alive and well,
>>2113841>Is there really no anti-Dengist Maoist groups that exploded a bomb or two in Tienanmen Square?I'd have to check the Little Red Book app but all I'm coming up with is this
>>2113871>Why would there be? People are happy and optimistic.Chinese people can wild out. Social media is crazy (in a good way) when people get mad, you'll see comments about killing the rich and beating the cops to death when they do something they don't like (this is from the other day, people beating up an undercover cop at a protest against the police, apparently for covering up a child homicide).
>>2114110>protests in Chinaprotests aren't terrorism, and besides most of these are about local governing issues rather than broad ideological opposition to the Chinese state.
>Right back at you that Western people are so contented with the everything that they can't even be bothered to fight against their genocide-supporting governments.There is far more terrorism in the US than in China, a CEO was murdered on the streets last month and there have been 2 assassination attempts recently against the president-elect
>>2114115>china rn is at worst a peacefully developing social-democracya peacefully developing social-democracy IS the worst circumstance possible, there is in fact no government system more abhorrently evil than a peacefully developing social-democracy
>>2114330like, isn't that the whole point of socialism as per marx n shit
fish in the morning, philosophize at noon, do physics in the evening
>>2114387It does at the very least build the soft power within the US that people are always worried is undermining China with this integration of consumer cultures, as though obviously Mickey Mouse trumps Genshin Impact (
for some reason that I can't be bothered to keep arguing about), but what is the alternative? Permanent, global cultural revolution where China charges the rednote brigades to attack cringe and slop wherever it is found on the internet?
>>2114397Slop is a constant in human society. Before any computers, there were poorly written entirely forgettable but hugely popular books about love and shit. And before that, say, in Rome or Greece, it was theaters and sports.
Just grow a thicker skin, boomer
>>2114414 okay this "meme" has actually been brought over by people who frequently visit Western websites for quite some time now
好吧这个梗其实早就被经常去西方网站的人搬过来一段时间了
>>2114164>broad ideological opposition to the Chinese state.Can you explain why Chinese people should have "broad ideological opposition to the Chinese state"?
>a CEO was murdered on the streets last month So its better for regular people to do it, not for the government to execute billionaires and CEOs? Why?
>there is in fact no government system more abhorrently evil than a peacefully developing social-democracyWhy?
>>2114183>I didn't say that there aren't people who hold that view and are also actually chauvinistNo you didn't, I just think its too damn funny that you try to have it one way and then reality quickly asserts itself the other way.
Happens a lot with you.
>good faith criticismI'm pretty sure I've said this before, but a lot of this "good faith criticism", no matter how well-intentioned, will always be in vain, and I consider it the height of arrogance to constantly pontificate about "critical support" on the internet. /leftypol/ is already a niche-as fuck community. Who are the ones who
REALLY need to read the giant walls of text that get posted? Not me, not you either I'm guessing. Does anyone here genuinely thinks CPC cadres are reading any of this?
>>2114381The difference is Xitter allows that type of content. Now the stuff I saw isn't against the guidelines afaik but its a long way off from "The PRC is traditionalist" (In the burger evangelical sense) that some people argue (Including a certain someone covered by ordinance 1).
Not a complaint, I'm pleasantly surprised really.
>>2114431>I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but a lot of this "good faith criticism", no matter how well-intentioned, will always be in vainSabo cat has also made this point before, but from the angle of it being fine if leftypol is flooded with CNN-tier takes on China because it's a niche imageboard that will never have an impact on the real world, so people should just get over thinking "critical support" for China is a thing and just let the people constantly seething about the CPC speak freely.
Which, tbh, I'm not having this discussion out of some idea that by calling out chauvinism I'm helping China in any material or idealistic sense, I just think if we
are going to critique China, it has to go beyond this very basic level of asserting that CNN is correct and China is simply capitalist AND hypocritical as well, I.e worse idealistically than the west, while being materially identical. It's just a boring and overly simplistic point to make that does just end up with that side saying
>Wah you can't claim my authoritative talking about a project I have no interest in is rooting in chauvinism >I think you just don't understand that when I'm criticising the CPC at every opportunity, it's because *I don't care* about China in the way people arguing with me do>Simping for China won't have any impact on China y'know so stop being a tryhard debate broAnd so on and so forth
>>2114416It was already on bilibili and localized on telegram, but alt righters are also coming to xiaohongshu with their hyperborean memes
For example this ID palladiooalgo
>>2114431>Can you explain why Chinese people should have "broad ideological opposition to the Chinese state"?They are slaves under a capitalist system
>So its better for regular people to do it, not for the government to execute billionaires and CEOs? Why?I didn't say it necessarily was, I was simply using it as an example of American opposition to their ruling class in contrast to Chinese. For the record though, the fact that their is billionaries in China in the first place TO execute reflects highly on the character of that state.
"We must not always attach too much importance to violent attacks on the bourgeoisie; they may be motivated by the desire to reform and perfect capitalism." G.S.
>Why?It is a dictatorship of incapacity, it inculcates a condition of decadence into both classes by which they lose all class energy, it is a circumstance in which a ruling class of philanthropic politicians control a mass lost in hedonistic self-gratification. Read Reflections on Violence.
>>2114877"""">Can you explain why Chinese people should have "broad ideological opposition to the Chinese state"?
They are slaves under a capitalist system""""
I think the better question is can you explain how you actually know that? Feels like you're just making shit up
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