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Welp edition
Live Updates: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Global Tracker: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
The mod team asks you to please limit all covid discourse outside the mainstream media (vaccine skepticism, mask non-compliance, etc..) to this thread
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 No.230177

>>230142
science will always be trapped by politics, culture, and the uneven division of labour. a society of ploymaths would be ideal but I doubt most people will ever have an interest in the distilled autism of your average scientific paper
>>230160
>they want to extend nothing
bezos types, big pharma, and wannabe tinpot dictators everywhere objectively do tho. the former have seen record profits
>it's irrelevant bullshit by some know-nothing dipshit
schwab is embedded in the global establishment you actual retard
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 No.230182

What would really help more than vax is shooting deniers dead. Punishment for endangering others is much too lenient across the west.
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 No.230203

>>230170
Yes you. The stock market going up increases the financiers wealth more than they'd get from the pre-covid economy *because* the rate of profit is so low. The lockdowns are acting in a way as if they had killed off half the population of proles. More wealth goes to them.

Whatever other bullshit they say they are saying I don't care. The conspiracy people are in the right when they connect the dots that there is a segment of the bourgeoisie that have a vested interest in trying to put the brakes on capitalism–the same kind of financuers that fund stuff like davos think tanks to dream up a 'fourth industrial revolution'. And the big push from the top to try and extend the state of emergency and things like sheltering as much as possible.

I don't think its possible for them to succeed at this in the long term, but it is a desire of a large part of the ruling class to not return to normal.

>>230182
Stuff like this is no better than idpol. Study the economics behind the situation and form your own line rather than adopting one of the two prepackaged opinions presented for you.
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 No.230218

>>230203
>idpol
Having no concern for the criminally insane is not idpol. It's just a bit outside the norm.
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 No.230221

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>>230203
>as if they had killed off half the population of proles. More wealth goes to them.
<killing off half of the productive laborforce means more money for capitalists
>there is a segment of the bourgeoisie that have a vested interest in trying to put the brakes on capitalism
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 No.230236

>>230221
maximum kek
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 No.230301

>>230037
>Vaccines are subject to intense review pre and post release.
The ones for covid are still on phase 3 still.
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 No.230315

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 No.230360

>>230142
>Science is trapped by capitalism

Are the people who run and hang out on leftypol retarded?

I'm a research scientist who has worked on the upcoming Mars mission, and hearing this take makes me think the people on this board have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

1st) A vast amount of research is dedicated towards projects which by design have no application which can be made to turn profits or usage in the private sector. There are Mathematical researchers who strive as hard as they can to focus research on subjects which cannot be applied in any meaningful way.

2nd) Most of the research scientists I've encountered working at colleges across the world are socialists. So many research scientists are socialists that I guarantee that there were at least 2 socialists behind every vaccine on the market today. Socialists run the colleges, vote in the college senate and determine funding for research… Not capitalists.

3rd) Most research scientists have no interest in generating capital or patents or helping advance private interests. Those scientists who clearly work in coordination with big pharma and the military industrial complex are often pariahs amongst colleagues. They don't tend to advance in academic environments.

4th) A vast amount of the research which helped empower modern technology was done with out of pocket funding from scientists who gained access to labs from teaching.

It's disappointing to see people who clearly have no fucking idea how research is conducted today swamp a socialist board with takes on academic research that were probably gleaned by some disgruntled ex-college researcher who truly sucked at producing objective results of interest. There's this misconception spread by disgruntled weed outs bashing scientific research who mask themselves as ex-insiders that the research community should be interested in everybody's brain farts. The fact is that the research community just wants to see results or outcomes, and simply doesn't have the time to read every brain fart that is dressed up with scientific lingo. It's not because they're in cahoots with the capitalist overlords and illuminati. Most modern researchers make less than software engineers. They just don't have time to listen to people shit talking lingo about theories that have no normative data to back them up.
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 No.230366

>>>230221
They aren't productive anymore is the fucking point. The rate of profit is low to the point that the proles are a liability in further lowering the rate of profit more than they can be used to generate profits. *For the large bourgeoisie. * A small business owner who derives most of their value from proles can still squeeze more profits out of them than the big bourgeoisie whose capital is mostly constant(automated) or financial. Thats why the ruling class fights among itself over going back to work or staying in lockdown
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>>230203
>there is a segment of the bourgeoisie that have a vested interest in trying to put the brakes on capitalism
I uncritically support them.
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 No.230387

>>230360
Why is my insulin 200 USD you fucking idiot? Your space science clearly wont tell you the goddamn reason. Why is that 2030 space hotel story making rounds? Your PhD's in shit not related to the real developement of societies wont tell you that. If there are so many socialists in the STEM fields, why the fuck are the West's productive capacity for vaccines being utilized to carve out property, commercial, and legal rights over the poorest nations in the world that can barely escape the name of neocolonies? Why the fuck is most fucking research done by you dolts falls into the property-grubbing hands of the people that pay for the majority of fucking research that is done? Go eat Musk's shit or (in a more productive fashion) fucking read any scientific materialist work of theory or history
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 No.230394

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 No.230405

>>230360
>Science is trapped by capitalism
Yes? I don't know what type of sciencebro bullshit this is but science doesn't exist outside of the political and cultural influence of the society its being practiced under. Also wasn't there some big scandal a few years back in a major uni department where they found the results of studies were being falsified? Also its my understanding that a huge number if not most studies are funded by big capital.
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 No.230412

>>230387
>Why is my insulin 200 USD you fucking idiot?
You sound fucking dumber than shit, and I sincerely hope no one takes your opinions seriously.

Did you buy your insulin from a scientist? Did you buy it directly from Sir Frederick G Banting?

>Why is that 2030 space hotel story making rounds?


So did the guys who invented space travel make this hotel?

I mean how fucking stupid do you have to fucking be to mix up the difference between a scientist and a corporation that steals, manipulates or rips off a scientists invention for profit.

Go suck you dick you fucking moron. You don't know shit about the research community or scientists or science and have an epic case of the dunning kruger effect.
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 No.230425

>>230405
>Also wasn't there some big scandal a few years back in a major uni department where they found the results of studies were being falsified?
On the occasion some people falsify results just like on the occasion some socialists transform into fascists. Should I assume all socialists are fascists?

>Also its my understanding that a huge number if not most studies are funded by big capital.

You're understanding is wrong. Most studies are funded by their schools. The next significant amount of studies are funded by government entities like the NIH. A tiny amount of studies are funded by the DoD. An even smaller amount are funded by philanthropists. Below that, are studies funded by corporations which are generally dismissed as biased. If you are smart enough to realize a corporate funded research project is biased then what makes you think the research community isn't. Most academic research scientists are left-leaning, and will hit corporate funded researchers with embarrassing fiery rebuttals.
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 No.230426

>>230412
>Scientific research is not beholden to capital
<Capitalists own the research produced and squander it on boojie bullshit
<Capitalists own the means to research
<Capitalists decide what is researched and how those results are utilized
>Science is still somehow not owned like a bitch by capitalists, the same way they own the world in our times

Coping retard, you entire fucking field is decided by the capitalists, its owned by them, it dosent matter how many self avowed socialists are in those fields if theyre not able to decide how and why their research is conducted and utilized.
Coping moronic stemfag go fucking read a book youll find plenty of good shit in the /edu/ section
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 No.230429

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>>230387
>Why is my insulin 200 USD you fucking idiot?
I know you weren't actually looking for an answer, but insulin is expensive for the same reason renting a place to live costs about 1k a month in america on average.
Sure they're things that people should rightly be entitled to because otherwise they'll die, but when demand is high then prices rise and demand for human necessities are always high. The system holds people hostage, extorting people on a regular basis, because that's the system's "incentive" to produce and distribute those things.
The pharmaceutical industry works oligopolistically to control markets, in much the same way that cartels in mexico do. That's why people like martin shkreli almost got away with raising the price of AIDS medication to thousands of dollars - because of oligopolistic market control by people who profit off of human illnesses.
There are also plenty of patented drugs which dont get produced despite being objectively necessary, such as the vaccine for lyme disease lymerix.
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 No.230433

>>230429
it was a rhetorical question made to ridicule that suppsoed researcher anon that said that the natural scientists arent owned by capitalists. But thanks anyways captain obvious
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 No.230457

>>230426
>Capitalists own the research produced
No more than capitalists own leftypol.
Capitalists own the means of production not the means of scientific research or the means of leftypol.
>Capitalists own the means to research
<Most retarded thing you've said all day
Thanks, everybody who reads this ignorant thread will be that much dumber now.
>Capitalists decide what is researched and how those results are utilized
No they literally don't. The scientist decides what will be researched, then teaches and get's access to a lab with a professor research stipend. They then produce results and publish. Capitalists read those publications and make products from the results they're able to read (which the technology sector is about 30-40 years behind academic knowledge).
>Science is still somehow not owned like a bitch
Just how stupid this fucking sentence is makes me cringe. Science is not something you can own like a house or iphone. It's literally a method by which to show results of a theory. Again, the dunning kruger effect is strong in you mouth breather.
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 No.230459

>>230412
Thanks, idiot with a degree.
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 No.230463

>>230457
>Capitalists own the means of production not the means of scientific research or the means of leftypol.
Have you heard of this thing called "Intellectual property", my guy?
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 No.230468

>>230459
I mean if you want to be ignorant about scientific research that's on you. I happened to see how fucking retarded this thread got, and just wondered if the people who run and hang out on leftypol are retards. I guess they are apparently, because they think most scientists work for wall street when in fact they're generally underpaid leftists who do it out of interest.

>>230463
Ya, I probably have more experience with patents than you. Intellectual property is not the means of scientific research, and corporations stealing ideas from scientists is not literally "le science being owned by le illuminati" or whatever shit you idiots spout on this board. A lot of capitalists capitalize on modern research no doubt, but that doesn't mean it controls research. As of now, most tech companies have a research department with no more than 5-10 PhDs while the vast amount of research is done on the professor's stipend, out of his own interest and published for free while allowing the public full access to enrich their knowledge from the findings.
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>>230468
>vast amount of research is done on the professor's stipend, out of his own interest and published for free
Uh-huh. And you look at this absence of capital in research, the technological stagnation outsidem the millions being thrown at shit like Juicero and then claim
>A lot of capitalists capitalize on modern research no doubt, but that doesn't mean it controls research.
Ya, I definitely have more experience with leftism than you.
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 No.230519

The UK may be dropping the quarantine requirement for arrivals from Australia and New Zealand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56645990
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 No.230616

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>TFW I just realized this entire board is just Reddit.
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 No.230712

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INDIA UPDATE

official statistics report the following

Cases Today: +401,326

Deaths Today: +4,194
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 No.230757

>>230182
Not a fan of shooting covid denialists. I do however remember this video from early pandemic (April? May 2020?) of a maskless, racist white Karen screaming, invading the personal space and spitting at the face of this random Asian guy wearing his mask on the bus and just minding his own business and as soon as the bus stopped and opened its doors he just pushed her so hard that she flew out the open bus door and ate shit face-first on the concrete. That chet was hilarious. She got BTFO
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 No.230778

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>>230757
>Not a fan of shooting covid denialists.
Well that's not very cash-money of you.
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 No.230795

>>230778
I'm just not a fan of shooting people in general tbh. Yeah, yeah political power from the barrel of the gun or whatever and I get that. Truly I do. I just don't feel like shooting people. I've fired rifles and am actually a fairly accurate/precise shot with them if I do say so myself, I just wouldn't ever want to blow an actual human being away.

I think even Orwell(?) once said something along the lines that even though the guys he was shooting in Catalonia in the Spanish Civil War were fascists-falangists, it still didn't fully take away the queasy feeling he got in his stomach at ending the lives of other young men, and the sheer carnage and waste and tragedy of it all. Supposedly he ratted out other socialists to the coppers later on in life in the UK which I'm obviously not a fan of but his youth spent in the International Brigades in Spain were pretty based tho.
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 No.230796

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>>230218
>seeing through an obvious psyop makes you criminally insane
why do marxists have such a superiority complex, seriously? even if your ideology is scientific you aren't exactly making that born in your understanding of the situation. covid is such an obvious psyop, they've moved the goalposts so many times that anyone who's survived a narcissistic relationship should be able to see that
>>230221
thanks to automation they don't need us anymore so they're working to kill us off slowly ideally without us realising what's going on
>>230360
>I'm a research scientist who has worked on the upcoming Mars mission
picrel, also cope, the moon landing was a hoax
>>230387
holy mother of based
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 No.230800

>>230796
COVID denial is banned FYI. There's plenty of other places you can go spread that nonsense.
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 No.230802

>>230796
>thanks to automation they don't need us anymore so they're working to kill us off slowly ideally without us realising what's going on
this is a braindead take.
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 No.230803

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>>230800
budd whyy :D D :D :ddd
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 No.230804

>>230802
Don't engage him, or he will start sperging out about "Fourth Industrial Revolution" shit. How many fucking times will he ban evade to repeat the same shit only to get banned for it again?
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 No.230805

>>230800
I'm not denying covid you transhumanist, I'm questioning certain aspects of the bourgeois narrative of covid. Something you state capitalists can't seem to manage
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 No.230808

>>230805
i wish you get the sniffles and leave us alone you fucking radlib
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 No.230810

>>230805
'covid is a psyop' is basically saying it's fake unless you elaborate on that further.
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 No.230811

>>230805
if we're state capitalist then wtf is fascism
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 No.230812

>>230805
also I'm not evading, one of the other mods with some braincells must of reversed the ban unless my ISP changes IP every 24 hours or something (which is unlikely)
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 No.230814

>>230810
by "psyop" I mean the messaging is a psyop you retard. 9/11 was a psyop but the towers still fell, you feel me?
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 No.230817

>>230804
>"Fourth Industrial Revolution"
Fuck covid denial, people who reproduce this meme understanding of history and politics should be banned.
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 No.230820

>>230814
>by "psyop" I mean the messaging is a psyop you retard

Well that's not what you said is it? Easy to backpedal once you get called out for your shitty overly broad statement.
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 No.230825

>>230820
if you're gonna put words in my mouth don't be upset when I won't own them. you misinterpreted me cause of your bias against covid skeptics, I feel no obligation to overqualify my language
>>230817
>implying "everything the government says is true" isn't the memeyist understanding of history
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 No.230827

>>230778
As to that specific photo of the Trumpers looking like a zombie horde, it was from the April 2020 Michigan anti-lockdown protests was it not? Wild that the cops didn't brutalize them like they did against anti-police brutality protestors in the mass national and international protests in response to George Floyd's murder by Derek Chauvin and Minneapolis PD.

It's almost like the latter (anti-police brutality protests) were a threat to the enforcing arm of bourgeois rule (cops) and potentially bourgeois rule itself, while the former (Trump-backed Michigan anti-lockdown protest, funded by billionaire Betsy DeVos and the DeVos family) were not.

Considering what was later revealed about the far-right Michigan Milita/Boogaloo Bois/III%ers/etc plotting a conspiracy to abduct and execute Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer on public live-stream, ISIS-style, a real boots-on-the-ground billy club/baton/tear gas/rubber bullet riot-control approach by Michigan cops would have (and should have) been more than warranted in that particular situation against that particular threat.
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>>230827
>Y'All-Qaeda was a failure
Americans never fail to disappoint.
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 No.230901

>>230827
>It's almost like the latter (anti-police brutality protests) were a threat to the enforcing arm of bourgeois rule (cops) and potentially bourgeois rule itself, while the former (Trump-backed Michigan anti-lockdown protest, funded by billionaire Betsy DeVos and the DeVos family) were not.

is that why there were supported by the leadership of every major city and multinational corporation?
retard IDpolers think that BLM is somehow revolutionary when the police and the military are dancing in the streets with them

BLM protesters are just useful idiots for Neoliberalism
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 No.231258

Another bad rich person who should have died from covid but survived and is now ruining my life

I am 100% convinced COVID was created by Bill Gates and his ilk to kill poor people.
And they purposefully fund covid hoaxers to continue to make us die and make us commit our own classicide.

I vow to not go easy on any one of these pawns of the ruiling class. Fuck class useful idiot class traitors like them and especially FUCK THE RULING CLASS.
I'm okay for hell to be real and burn for all eternity if they also burn with me.

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