With how openly right-wing a lot of big platforms on the internet are now like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube and young people in general being less progressive, it's clear that this era of online politics did not work out the way it was intended to. Why is this? Was it too divisive? Simply not appealing?
>>2141404I think the biggest thing is that podcasting only looks easy, when in reality it's exhausting and most people who do it burn out, their careers are fairly short-lived, many have quit, and those who are still doing it after the term Breadtube became a thing are carrying around some resentment or thinking of quitting. Their audiences are fracturing into smaller and smaller audiences. People lose attention. And that's probably a normal and natural death for this kind of thing. Hasan is still doing it, but I'm not sure for how much longer. Some people have more discipline and stamina than others.
This happens to a lot of people who suddenly get big. It's true on the right as well. Jordan Peterson is apparently still around but his fame destroyed his brain. Andrew Tate is a has-been. Elon Musk probably won't have the energy to be this wind-up toy much longer but he's prolonging it with drugs. The right's main advantage is they have lots of money and an endless supply of quislings they can prop up. There will always be another batch.
>>2141478 (me)
Breadtube wos a metaverse during the metaverse boom, and nobody liked metaverses other than fortnite and smash bros, and now only only fortnite remains.
>>2141489>YouTube is about “epic owns” and a leftist point is well reasoned and takes time to get to as it’s built on facts and logic.This is such obvious bullshit, it doesn't take that long to explain the fundamental moral underpinnings of Leftist thought and in a way that is engaging and emotitionally inspired, its just that noone on breadtube wanted to do that and instead spent their time explaining the fundamentals of DemSuccism.
If breadtube was lead by Pierre Tru-Dank it would be a lot better, or someone with the personality of Haz but actually Socialist. Change my mind.
>shaun, philosophytube, contra, hbomber
too much production quality
You think normal people are gonna watch: The Bell Curve, a 2:29:36 video debunking a, get this, actual book, going over arguments and counterarguments in-depth? Watch Who's Afraid of Gender? (A Guide to Judith Butler), a 1:15:09 video going into a specific theorists writings and philosophy? Contra's hour long essays on AGP?
"Breadtubers" unironically have a problem of being too intellectually serious and honest. I'm not saying they aren't shitlibs, but if you don't see the difference I think you are pretending not to. The right-wing media apparatus just shits out tucker carlson retarded podcasts or ben shapiro reacts garbage or asmogold and has no pretension whatsoever of being "educational" or anything.
In this way, Agent Kochinski and hasan are the real counterparts to the right wing sphere. And well, hasan does pretty well, right?. Agent Kochinski has his respectable own medium sized audience.
I am not spectacle brained enough to know who the other people are so I won't say anything. Maybe that invalidates my opinion but I'd rather save my braincells.
>>2141529 fundamentally misguided talk
You are just perpetually deferring to a mythical "real" politics that doesn't actually exist. What you are doing is denying the the death of community, atomization, the extent of capitalist propagandistic control; the questions where whether "organizing" happens are really determined. You are in fact, legitimizing the current order, by pretending that
just putting the phone down would be the cure, as if there aren't deep structural problems preventing class consciousness. we just had to quit using xitter and
go outside! how didn't we think of that?
Are you in a union? I don't care what your answer is because this is an anonymous board and you can say anything, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess, statistically, that you probably aren't. Specially not in any meaningful class struggle sense rather than just being a due payer.
>>2141519>You think normal people are gonna watch: The Bell Curve, a 2:29:36I think that's actually the greatest strength of long video essays. People are going to put them on like they do with long streams, maybe not constantly paying attention but getting a few points out of it nonetheless and feeling smart about themselves afterwards.
>>2141478>I wouldn't like them if I were also expected to watch Agent Kochinski or Thought Slime to have context.You're forgetting he did make out with notorious sjw breadtube man jacksaint during a heated argument about objectivity in media analysis.
>>2141664Ah so absent father. I’m sorry, but again what does that have to do with breadtube?
No one here except you is looking for a lost father figure. We are discussing online figures that best represent our ideology and are the most effective in distributing it among netizens to spark revolutionary thought.
>>2141661>Muh fatherlessnessBruh, why does everything always have to be about trying to find a daddy-husband figure?
This is the problem.
Role models are a projection of ones moral fantasies
>>2141529>log off and just join a union Ignoring the fact that most unions are reformist that trail the Democratic Party or European right-social democrats, this is not mutually exclusive. The social media presence of unions and leftist organization has been terrible, as an example. The websites of most Communist Parties look like they are from the late 90s.
Even denying in 2025 that the internet isn't part of the global capitalist superstructure that enforces the hegemony but can also subvert it (like art often does) is audacious.
>>2141667Maybe you should not morally invest in online pundits.
>>2141666Because the audience consumes TV. If they dont make any mention of entertainment media, they don't get views
>>2141669That anon brought up breadtube neckbeards as a substitute for father figures, ask him.
>>2141673You’re the morally invested one. I just want the right message reach as many ears as possible. If you have a problem with that then you’re probably in the wrong place.
>>2141652He had sex with prostitutes, that's bad I think and some kind of kink probably, because he and his status don't like he's in bad need of the service of a whore.
Democraticsocialist01 is a nasally-speaking Australian autist with zero mass appeal
I liked Mexie at first because in the first videos she defended Stalin and I was like "wut didn't expect that" but she turned out to be total lib "embrace Mother Gaia" type later.
I also kind of like BadEmpanada but he is a total sperg
>>2141698>germoid accusing turks of raping pure german childrenevery time with you dorks. i've been to artemis and if there were children there they'd try selling me one.
>historically supported the rape of israeli […]total settler death is acceptable enough praxis
>>2141698Then it will be easy to show actual proof the brothel in question staffs children
>Rape of Israeli woman It would also be easy showing him saying that, as well as proving Hamas raped and decapitated billions btw.
>>2141766https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_(Bordell)They raided it on tax fraud. No human trafficking charges either, it was namedropped by a second wave feminist rag not as it was actually alleged, just in a article about
the wider societal debate over trafficking and forced prostition.
No fucking child slaves. Again, this is a pretty open and probably the most observed brothels in Germany.
As someone already noted: digital platform economies are 'market capitalism' on roids so while your primary content might be more or less vaguely anti-capitalist/leftist/whatever, you still are, factually, in a precarious 'employment' situation nonetheless.
In the end, being a youtuber/twitch streamer isn't different from being an uber driver, it's basically gig economy and unless you 'hustle' you are screwed. If you hustle your are most likely screwed anyways. Because only the top 0,0x % of 'content creators' generate sustainable income.
Then it doesn't end with you putting out your 'content', also already noted, which is already a truckload of work, be it research, writing script, producing video. So much work actually that the big and successfull channels are not run by one person alone. It's many. They have employees. So suddenly they are not only precariously gig workers, but they have to run a precarious gig-company.
Next, youtube/twitch alone isn't it. Suddenly you have to run your patreon and other social media shit. More work. More employees. More responsibility. More dependence on the algorithm suddenly fucking your livelihood.
They all are, more or less, petty bourg entrepreneurs.
>>2141404It was always a product designed to rake in money. Some of them like Philosophy Tube, Hasan, and Contrapoints (probably more but I'm not digging) are even managed by talent agencies. Their form is that of a simple product designed to make money. It doesn't matter that they don't "dominate" the youtube sphere of red arrows and WOKE INVADED MY VIDEO GAME??! contentslop. They're just fulfilling a market niche of liberal-humanist creative content.
Did they start to fail at generating money? I don't think so after looking at that Bidenlover, "Some More News" and he seems to be pretty steady in viewership compared to his peak. hbomberguy is massive and most of his videos are unwatchable in my opinion like his video game content or the fake moral outrage over some nobody LGBT youtuber drama. The biggest ones on that list seem to do fine. Humiliating themselves for the DNC didn't hurt themselves because their fans are all onboard with capitalism already.
>young people in general being less progressiveCitation needed. Are you talking about their inability to transform their audiences into a liberal-humanistic political force? First, young people don't vote and every single person in that image was exclusively an electoralist that feigned as radical with benign activism. It was doomed to fail if that was the goal, but we know the true form was to make money.
Maybe some of this disappointment you're feeling is this realization that their ideology serves to reinforce the liberal hegemony and are not progressive in any form other than in relation to a Trump supporter fascist. I think most radical out of everyone in that list is Shawn and his most radical view is to simply join a reactionary trade union, like the United Farm Workers which are sitting on their thumbs while their immigrant proletarian membership is getting ambushed by ICE at their job and forcibly deported, despite the fact their union holds all the advantage in wake of a trade war, wildfire and bird flu. I remember that was his big, revolutionary statement at the end of a video. Didn't even consider non-union strike action.
This would be a good time to start reading theory if you want to have a greater lens on history. These guys just hue and cry over current events or do analysis on children's cartoons.
As for spaces for humanistic content? It seems like it's doing better now than ever with Elon Musk going mask off and driving people to try and make shit like bluesky take off. Other places are holding the centrist line like Twitch, since they don't give a fuck and just want the revenue.
>>2141404Joe Biden
Now that the right is in power again everyone is gonna go contrarian and become lib in the next 4 years
>>2141404"Breadtube" itself was a term imposed from the outside, similar to "scumbag left". Most of the people in it never identified as such, and had very little to do with eachother. A movement can't fail if it never really existed to begin with.
Beyond that, I do think we've seen a pretty strong leftward shift on the web, although it might just be me changing the company I keep. It's hard to remember, especially if you weren't there, but a decade ago, there was nothing less cool than leftism.
>>2141507>Pierre Tru-DankLiterally who?
>or someone with the personality of Haz but actually SocialistHaz is way too abrasive for your average joe. He attracts people who like to scream and be screamed at, but most people aren't like that.
>>2142026maupin has been vindicated
>>2142072wackl
>>2142125But most have them have terrible sub/viewer rations now
Exception with shoeOnhead who havemillions of subs and the viewer/comment/like ratio actually lines up - because she is very normie-friendly. doesn't really align herself with a camp, and occasionally funny
>>2142144you've completely ignored what I just said.
subscriber view/ratio count isn't just from content creation merit - like Mr. Beast doesn't get a lot of views because he puts a lot of "hard work" into his videos.
he has a system of paid advertisements, has a system of knowing the youtube meta, and knows how to make every video reach a certain number of viewers because the business of mr beast depends on it.
"breadtubing" on the other hand is crowd funded, so most of these youtubers aren't really out here needing to worry about things like view count or sub/viewer ratios because their work is entirely funded by people who already like their work and wish to see more anyways - whatever view or sub count a breadtuber may have is inconsequential.
Breadtubing is not funded by advertisers or product placers - so by nature they probably will have less numbers from anyone who is funded by advertisers and product placers.
because they want to ensure a return on their investment.
this does not indicate that "breadtubing" failed, in fact I'm pretty sure that if you looked at the statistics of who and why people watch breadtubers, you'll find that even though they have a lower view count, that their engagement is consistent throughout - where as a typical youtuber will have more views, but they really only watched for like 2 minutes out of a 15 minute video.
>>2141638>I think that's actually the greatest strength of long video essays. People are going to put them on like they do with long streams, maybe not constantly paying attention but getting a few points out of it nonetheless and feeling smart about themselves afterwards.That is true - long form video essays are THE format in youtube right now. But I'm saying isn't really about the length. . Take the bell curve video for instance - it's 2 and a half hours, but the point is the length itself, it's that it's 2 and half hours of a dense, serious debunking of a book you probably haven't heard about if you aren't in /pol/ adjacent places.
It's not "content", you know? I'm sure the steven crowder show is long, i don't know I never watched it, but it's slop. You can just put it in the background noise, radio. Breatubers, at least the ones I mention, ironically struggle with being
too intellectual (I'm not using this word as a synonym for correct or smart); being too preocuppied with really making a good solid point and giving the viewer something to think about; and also for this reason uploading unfrequently - contra hasn't made a video in 7 months, hbobmer for over a hero. This is the opposite of the right-wing strategy of flooding everything with shit
>>2141404Because at its core it was for academic critical media theorists and not ever actually even anarchist let alone communist. A lot of people got into marxist analysis of disney or whatever while getting radicalized by Bernie and they either went from marx to lenin and became communists or went from marx to whatever their professor assigned for class and continued along the pipeline of "marx had some good ideas but past communist projects ultimately proved him wrong" and they outright reject AES with no investigation and keep going deeper into making feature length documentaries about how the framing of different metanarratives effects your feelings.
Some of them even became anti-communist crusaders hooking up with state funding to push "deradicalization" "anti-cult" and "get out the vote" stuff that equates communism and the far-right as extremist.
Contra is actually the quintessential case study for breadtube, She read enough to know what is going on and sold out explicitly for personal gain, because surgery is expensive, and now defends her bourgeois position. Lots of stuff about AI and intellectual property and petty bourgeois ladder climbing for downwardly mobile middle class kids going on in general that incentivizes them to become reactionary liberals and defend the status quo, plus the whole of western academia priming them for it with intellectual justifications.
>>2142968For what? Everything
>>2142908 said was correct. If anything, Breadtubers are part of the academic strata that, while being critical capitalism, don't do anything to advance communist causes. At best they're harmless academic opportunists, at worst they just muddy the waters with their nonsense.
>>2143037>Hasan said he had regret about being an open socialistWhen has he said that? He is literally mocking Ethan as he accused him pretending to be anything other than a socialist.
>>2142144shoe0nhead is very much in the anti-woke club and pipeline. Note how she always whines about leftists but not a single word about Palestine.
>>2143440it got millions of views though.
obviously breadtubers were self interested but do you propose to preach socialism to the average normie whose media consumption only is as deep as 'ow! my balls!'
>>2143459>Note how she always whines about leftists but not a single word about Palestine.She did lose a word about Palestinians. She just probably doesn't know about the conflict enough to further comment.
>anti-wokeAnd?
>>2143506Lmao anti-woke is self-evidently a reactionary grift, it is not the promotion of a materialist approach to politics and history, it is just rage bait and culture war nonsense
NTA
>>2141982>Philosophy TubeActually predates Breadtube, started out by probably wanting just make his own philosophy channel, then was dragged into the Breadtube sphere completely, became a women and is now a Contrapoints clone.
>HasanWas in the media business from the beginning via the Young Turks and his uncle. So his origin story is vastly different from the ones of other Breadtubers - ergo, a professional handling of his media career what something he was trained in from the very beginning. That's probably why he never shit the bad like his comprades, and came out of this relatively unscathed.
>Contrapoints Probably started out similar to PT, but his/her goal was from the very beginning to make artsy short films with social commentary being invowed into when it fits.
It's not wrong wanting money for your work, if that work is also hobby then you won the lottery, the problem with YT and Twitch is that you may not even think that you do it
only for money anymore, with content ranking second, it happens unsconciously by the way those platforms are desgined - constantly grinding for more subscriptions, "to get the message accross to more people", but it never works in the end. You end up obeying the moneyed incentives anyway they set for you disguised as subscriptions and viewers - and these people may still think they are authentic and master of their own content (obviously some are complete slimes as well, like Hinkle who probably has no beliefs). Eventually it
forces you to go after realtiv show e-drama whether you like it or not. I admite Hakim quite a bit, he got really big with a record of almost no e-drama and doing the content he wants to with no compromise (except one time when he deleted his Holodomor videos for no reasons).
>>2143518No idea who bongino is but
>Crowder in 2nd placeAmerikkka is going straight to hell with no brakes
>>2143527>Daniel John Bongino (born December 4, 1974) is an American conservative[1] political commentator, radio show host, and author. He serves as a host of The Dan Bongino Show on Rumble. He served as host of the Unfiltered with Dan Bongino on Fox News until April 2023.
>In his early career, from 1995 to 1999, he served as a New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer. Next he served as a US Secret Service agent from 1999 to 2011. Bongino unsuccessfully ran three times for Congress as a Republican.Bongino is Fox News contributor, Cop and SS Agent.
I mean, who did you expect, a lukewarm liberal? David Pakman or Kyle Kulinsky? This is America bitch 🤠🤣👌
>>2143556>erm, no?You have to actually put some sort of counterargument forward. Otherwise just don't post.
Just these, which is the top 10, adds up to two and half million people. There are many other right wing retards, that have like, Agent Kochinski level viewership. These are the people actively sitting down and being in the chat on election night. Add all the people who will digest it later, which you can infer from, for example, the Joe Rogan podcast viewership numbers, and then you have to add up the content human centipede of shit that forms, with reels clips, memes, clips on yt shorts, reactions.
>>2143533Fuck whatever pseudo-leftist wrote that blog, Marx wasn’t “anti-woke” because anti-woke is 21st Century culture war nonsense.
“Anti-wokeness” isn’t a meaningful critique of liberalism, if you think “wokeness” is a meaningful category you are already a liberal. Or a fascist at least.
>>2143567you do not have any source/data to substantiate your claim and go by conjecture and vibes?
i mean, your inital statement makes it obvious in hindsight:
>you have to realize zoomers, younger millenials and older gen alphas all get their news from these people<if they are political interested.so what you say is: people who listen to these podcasts listen to these podcasts. thanks mate, very insightful.
but then, after i ask for source, you go on:
>>2143567>Just these, which is the top 10, adds up to two and half million peopleaccording to this source:
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/In the USA, the age cohort 20-34 is roughly 68,000,000 people
based on this quick look-up, not including gen alpha i guess, 3% of US population in your named age cohort would be getting their politics from these podcasts (directly). now remember that these streamers are not only watched by US citizens.
even considering any downstream viewership by virtue of snippets posted to whatever platform, saying
>zoomers, younger millenials and older gen alphas all get their news from these peopleis, to put it simple, outright moronic
>>2143506How hard can to be it to say anything on Palestine? Especially when the pro-Israeli side loves to use idpol to browbeat on others. It is even the best way to shit on liberals. She just doesn’t wanna do it, not that she incapable of it.
Hell she didn’t even join the Creators for Palestine unlike most of OP’s pic related.
>>2143596This isn't a STEM discipline. There isn't hard data that says "%percent of zoomers watch tucker carlson" nor is there going to be.
Making conjecture arguments is valid in the real world with real fuzzy situations.
>In the USA, the age cohort 20-34 is roughly 68,000,000 people>based on this quick look-up, not including gen alpha i guess, 3% of US population in your named age cohort would be getting their politics from these podcasts From what I can gather, what you did was divide 68 million by 2.5. That gives 3.6%.. THen you cut a bit to account for younger people being more like to be watching streams. Being charitable to you here.
What you are ignoring is that most internet culture, which today is the culture, is mostly made by a "vanguard". 4chan used to be this vanguard. Rage comics came from 4chan. Pepe came from 4chan. Wojak came from 4chan. 4chan has a relatively small userbase. Yet these dominate the internet.
This has to do with the human centipede I talked about. If 3% of an entire demographic is actively watching these people, how many more are getting exposed to it second hand? How many watch clips on instagram? How many get exposed to it on twitter?
This is the 90% are lukers, 10% posters, 1% are OC creators, basic rule.
Statista says the biggest, by a large large margin, quote unquote news source for zoomers is social media, with "50%" getting their news from social media. Cable news gets 6%. The problem with podcasts and streamers isn't their raw viewership but their overall grip on discourse.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124119/gen-z-news-consumption-us/ >>2143621so we went from
>you have to realize zoomers, younger millenials and older gen alphas all get their news from these peopleto
>You have to actually put some sort of counterargument forwardto
>"50%" [of gen z] getting their news from social mediaare you actually stupid?
>>2142449the youtubers who do this from the left tend to be democratic party shills like brian taylor cohen, etc. and liberals rather than socialists. There just aren't enough socialist habbenings in the world to justify the content mill.
Honestly second thought/deprogram is what comes closest.
>>2143649I'm not the original guy by the way. He hasn't even chimed in.
So "we" didn't.
Don't assume whoever replies to you is the person you replied to, that's not the point an anonymous board.
Putting that aside, you are disregarding what I say, expecting me to "prove" this with some sort of fucking math formula instead of having a discussion.
Let me spell it out for you, in a nice little fucking formal argument for your stemfag brain
Prep 1: The Dynamics of Internet Culture are such that it shaped by a "Vanguard", 1/10/90 rule.
Prep 2: These podcasts and streamers and whatever the fuck are the current "Vanguard" with their dedicated terminally online fanbase.
Conclusion 1 (Prep 1,2) -> These podcasts and streamers and whatever the fuck are the current "Vanguard".
Preposition 3: Genereration Z gets their news from social media, or the internet, primarily
Conclusion: (C1, 3) -> Generation Z gets their news from these people.
>>2143668Don't worry
>>2143649 is tingnoter their whole gimmick is pretending they're debating one supercommie by treating the whole board as one person.
>>2143656 I love RSS but are you really suggesting that it's so popular in 2025 as to make spotify charts irrelevant? It was already dying after google reader, in 2013… You see to be aknowledging this on some level
>All this shows is rightoids are too smooth brained for RSS and made an account on some platform to updoot it.True… but they outnumber us regardless.
>>2143668 (Me)
Conclusion 1 should be "These podcasts and streamers and whatever the fuck shape Internet Culture".
There's something wrong with the Western academic left.
Universities are full of professors and students who claim to be "anti-capitalist". One may be forgiven for assuming that there is a robust socialist movement thriving on Western campuses, perhaps with an organic connection to real-world working-class movements and liberation struggles.
But there's not. When you scratch beneath the surface it becomes clear that this "anti-capitalism" is mostly (with important exceptions) just abstruse, discursive critical theory. People's politics often boil down to a vague, liberal counter-hegemony, with the only real commitment to something like a post-structuralist "critique of power".
In fact in most cases these "anti-capitalists" do not even describe themselves as socialists, and often actively distance themselves from socialism. They have no concept of how a socialist economy can work, no practical plan for how to achieve socialism, and no connection to real-world socialist and anti-imperialist struggles, or socialist parties, or working-class liberation movements of any kind.
Worse, they often refuse to support liberation movements when they actually arise, particularly in the global South, or even actively attack them for failing to conform to the ideological purity of the Western ivory tower, with no acknowledgement of the real material conditions that these struggles have to engage with.
This is not a new tendency. It has been going on since the Cold War, when many Western left academics played an active role in discrediting anti-colonial and socialist movements in the periphery that arose in the 20th century.
The result is that the "anti-capitalism" of this intellectual class is toothless and makes little positive difference to real-world material conditions . In fact it actively disables the left, and funnels hundreds of thousands of students who have real revolutionary potential into believing that being radical means spinning complicated theory, using language that is aesthetically pleasing to an intellectual elite but totally incomprehensible and alienating to most people.
We urgently need to overcome this tendency. And people can take inspiration from the powerful exceptions that are out there: academics and student movements who are connected to and actively contributing to socialist formations and liberation struggles, often with extraordinary courage.
https://x.com/jasonhickel/status/1887437578896359890>>2141404I’d argue it never existed to begin with. It was a bunch of loosely-to-not-at-all affiliated people whose only common trait was “vaguely left-leaning”. I’m not going to pretend like there was zero overlap between their audiences, but the number of people who are fans of Lindsey Ellis, Destiny, and Hasan all at the same time is probably pretty small.
>>2143515I'm not sure that really says anything. Rush Limbaugh was far and away the most popular radio host when I was growing up, and yet it's not like everyone in the 90s and 2000s was a turbochud.
The thing with media consumption, especially in environments with a low barrier to entry like podcasting, is that it tends to be very scattered. Joe Rogan probably is the most popular podcaster, but that doesn’t mean that most people are listening to him. I can say with 100% certainty that if you took the aggregate of people who listen to podcasts in general, but not Joe Rogan, it would absolutely dwarf the number of Joe Rogan listeners.
>>2143527None of those numbers is large enough to really mean anything thougbeit. 515K is less than .2% of the US population.
>>2143535>Most of them are disappointments for their familyAnd?
>>2143552In my experience as a zoomer who’s friends with zoomers, that only kind of applies to Joe Rogan, and even then, that’s a kind of.
>>2144064Why did you repost a tweet?
>>2143551>>2143621>>2143567>Muh kids are falling for muh heckin reactionariesWhy are adults so willfully ignorant about their juniors?
Seven years ago you were accusing them of being SJWs
>>2143621>Statista says the biggest, by a large large margin, quote unquote news source for zoomers is social media, with "50%" getting their news from social media. Cable news gets 6%. The problem with podcasts and streamers isn't their raw viewership but their overall grip on discourse. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124119/gen-z-news-consumption-us/And guess who else does? Millennials and Gen X.
Also, "overall grip on discourse"?
As if though it's unique only to social media?
>>2144453>And guess who else does? Millennials and Gen X.Flat out untrue.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124159/us-generational-social-media-news/>Also, "overall grip on discourse"?>As if though it's unique only to social media?Sorry but I don't grasp what you are trying to say.. Are you saying there is grip in discourse on other mediums? If that's the case, you are right. Sure. Yes, propaganda newspapers, cable, exists. What we are arguing about is… What is we are arguing about? uh, that the internet media envjronent is dominated by personalities and brands such as those in the podcast graph. I think that's what it was…. why are we wasting time on this? And because social media is the main source kd news……You know what… I'm going to sleep.Not everything warrants a reply. anyone here have experience with hydroxyzine? I don't feel anything taking it even at high doses. Bennie's drills is not a thing in my country.
>>2144472idk it seems like your issue is with the content of the post and you are crying about twitter in an effort to derail, likely because it correctly identifies your favorite liberal content creator as an anti-communist.
The whole reason I post texts that way without >quoting is precisely to trick people into reading them but it looks like you are too strong for that one so we will update our tactics for the future. Its always more fun to make people argue with a completely unsourced marx quote anyway
>>2144479>idk it seems like your issue is with the content of the postWhat a strange, presumptuous, bad-faith reading of my post. When I said I didn't read it, I meant it. If you held a gun to my head and asked me to explain its contents, you'd have a great big red stain on the wall in a matter of seconds. To put it into reference, I thought you linked a Jackson Hinkle tweet until I was about to hit post on
>>2144367For what it's worth, the guy who made the tweet seems cool, although maybe he kills people for fun; I don't know because I didn't do a very through search.
>likely because it correctly identifies your favorite liberal content creator as an anti-communist.The only one of these guys I've ever watched was Hbomberguy, and even then, I've never finished a single video by him. I don't like going to YouTube for political content period.
>>2141404I still like a few breadtubers but most of them moved all their content to patreon to cuck youtube, and I'm not gonna pay money to hear their takes on the latest drumpf memes. hbomberguy was the best of the bunch and he uploads like once every 5 years now. The only one that consistently does content is Hasan and he just does react-slop and scamming little kids out of their lunch money.
A bigger issue though is every single breadtuber in your pic is petit-bourgeois white kid who grew up under privilege and is now trying to "educate" the proletariat masses on how they're supposed to think without actually engaging with those masses or willing to listen to their perspectives. These people are all about parading the working class until they hear a working class person's opinions on trans issues. Same for any kind of leftism that doesn't revolve around American/European values. They really failed to open people up to new perspectives, it was mostly just telling college kids what they want to hear. Contrast that with someone like Andrew who allows a wide array of opinions in his videos and it's clear why Breadtube fell off.
Nowadays Gen Z are moving towards Marxist-Leninist-Maoism and leaving Breadtubers in the dust over their unwillingness to praise China. It's funny.
>>2150104>Nowadays Gen Z are moving towards Marxist-Leninist-Maoism Cool, unsourced claim, but cool.
>and leaving Breadtubers in the dust over their unwillingness to praise China.Oh I don't think you know what MLM means.
>>2150104>Nowadays Gen Z are moving towards Marxist-Leninist-MaoismHAHAHAHAHA
Zoomoids are all unapologetic fascists
>>2150178>>2150104<Zoomoids are all *You are not leftists.
If we had moderation you should both be banned for generational-politics libposting, tbqh.
>>2141404All the big social media algorithms are rigged in favor of the right-wing. It's not complicated. They've already given the game away by falling in line behind Trump.
Also it's not like "Breadtube" (an already nebulous term) was ever organized. At best some of them were friends. How do you even define "failure"? Their channels are individually successful. Out of all the people in your pic I think only three of them actually cover moment-to-moment politics consistently, the others are focused on culture and sometimes intersect it with political concepts.
>>2150565You're giving them way too much credit.
In reality they just designed the algorithm to be biased in favor of engagement, and right-wing content gets the best engagement because it either makes you a dedicated cult member or very angry. Of course the social media companies were well aware of this and let it happen instead of taking meaningful steps to fix it, because they think it will help them in the long term. Better to support a fascist who gives them tax cuts, deregulation, and lucrative contracts, than a social democrat who will tax and regulate them.
>>2177746>>2177767>>2178031breatube weren't even anarchist let alone marxist most were barely socdems and a bunch were just liberals (ex: thoughtslime).
the problem is you just cant make establishment liberalism edgy, because it isn't.
>>2178116This is bad analysis man ngl, you're basially just saying that breadtube is alienating to people because they're NERDS which is so ridiculous. Actually speaking referencing shadow hedgehog might be a more effective means of reaching the third world than yapping about postgraduate decolonial studies because half of the sonic fandom are people from South America, and that really brings my point that the FUNDAMENTAL distinction between breadtube radlibs and workers aren't le pop culture, it is a COLLEGE DEGREE. You can see this dynamic everywhere, if breadtubers have any fans from the third world i can 100% guarantee that those fans either have a college degree or is upwardly mobile enough to plan for one.
And this is the elephant in the room for Western leftism which has consistently failed to mobilize people with no college degrees. I.e trump supporters, facebook boomers, lumpens, migrant workers, etc. None of these people are present in DSA conferences and shit and none of them are watching breadtube video essays
>>2178116Lol. Yeah, global solidarity failed to save Palestine, or abolish human trafficking ,or end AIDS and Tuberculosis, but i'm supposed to believe that international proletariat solidarity, whatever the hell that means, is supposed to beat the million headed armies of capitalist nation states and its global instruments of exploitation where the Soviet union faltered.
As long as you view your fellow workers as your brothers and educate people we can accomplish something! What a beautiful view, some of you guys would've been a sunday school teacher a century ago
>>2141507>or someone with the personality of Haz but actually SocialistThat's the problem. Haz is your typical old school communist cult leader. Breadtube failed for one simple reason.
<EssenceThe essence of breadtube is bullshit to herd baboons back into succdem politics of the democrap party. The democraps ran the fucking planet for 30 plus years since the fall of the USSR and the rise of Billy Blowjob Clitoris. What did they do with that power? Absolutely nothing productive or engaging with the population. All they did was create more poorfags and minorities that did not exist before (at least not in those artificial numbers). Democraps are technocratic feudalists but they were at a dilemma where they realized if they were to go full WEF misanthrope, they would lose their own standards of living. They wanted globalism as the highest stage of imperialism. But Russia and China were in the way. These geopolitical realities (happening in Ukraine for example) put a really serious stop to the elites. But there was also an unintended consequence. The globalists mostly in the democrap party created a replacement elite of technofaggots who are EAGER to live under technofeudalism/fascism because the system has stagnated to the point of absurdity. You now have the billionaires and others who are backing Trump, preparing for a post-globalist world.
>We couldn't take over the world, so we will go after the next low hanging fruit. As scary as this may seem, for the global east and south, this would be a relief since the elites will now be dissolving the west into their own little domains. They could not wait to defeat the east so now they are eating the west. In a similar way to how a body starts burning fat.
Breadtube was the ideological vector for the old globalist elite that now is being replaced with these technofaggot mega billionaires. So it is simply a panda that is going extinct. As things keep going forward, the elites will disassemble the west so bad, that even the right wing podsphere would also go the way of breadtube as the realities of neofeudalism will distract people away from petty culture war issues that were very inflated to being with.
>TLDR breadtube is going the way of everything else tide to the unipolar hegemonic world order. The era of global neofeudalism is upon us. >>2178129they're not just nerds, they're comparatively wealthy first world nerds with no reason to build a movement. you can see this in their habit of starting slap fights to gain more orbiters.
if someone was actually building a popular front online they'd just get fucking banned. we know youtube is part of the cia.
as for why we don't get non-educated people have you gone to party political shit? it's fucking dry. it's fucking boring. these people don't party and they don't fuck.
in australia at least we should be investing in the culture, the music, and the youth. it seems tangential, but it's a huge opportunity to reach people that aren't interested in debating hungarian grain production in 1968.
it's not just about being right, it's about opening cultural space outside of corporate media, and if the party governs the commons that the youth enjoy they learn lessons about communist governance without having to be lectured: this speaks to practical people.
>>2178141read it again. the point is that even if these retards were making motion it's motion that goes nowhere but an ephemeral comments section.
>>2178174cheers.
>>2178187I wouldn't go that far. I see adam connover trying to build some steam up to oppose trump, and it feels valuable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6XAwrnWADwbut at the same time I don't know how bad shit could get if uncle sam put his pants back on and repeated the 2000s.
>>2178210>>2178236if I had to guess: producer at nebula.
nebula is yet another example of breadtube failing, it's addicted to google ads and vc funding so if it gets too hot for corporate platforms it goes behind a paywall. who the fuck are they reaching behind a paywall?
>>2178260>who the fuck are they reaching behind a paywall?Consumers: Troy is basically burning around them whilst they flee amid the chaos with whatever jewelry they've picked up along the way and their lives, all to safer shores.
The Youtube affiliation system always was a means through which, in the cold hard exchange of cash for their views, they'd agree to launder, whether through ignorant stupidity or belligerent indifference, the dirty political capital of the private business interests which propped the entire system up. If Contrapoints and their like had any sense they'd be looking into taking up residency abroad because the entire house of cards is about to come crashing down: their main political opponents, which they never had the practical wherewithal to even see let alone the survival instincts to identify, have now oppened the flood gates to a wave of counter reaction against their marginalist views - the belief that you can sit in front of a camera and change the world - that isn't anything they're actually used to because they are explicitly Fascist.
I sincerely hope these retards ask each other daily such questions like "how did this happen" and will for some time to come, because these people are best left banished to that circle of hell which is their own little fiefdom forged from the chains of stupidity which wrought them together.
>>2150079"breadtube" is meaningless and just means "youtuber who's kinda maybe I guess on the left and also I don't like them"
Quintin is kinda lleft-leaning but he does fucking Garfield and iCarly videos and maybe mention politics consequentially once, what the fuck is bread about that. Meanwhile other youtubers could make videos where the only substance is that something SUCKS because of women and minorities and there's a conspiracy of (((communist infiltrators))) trying to get me to jerk off to fat women instead of Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball because they just hate beauty on a spiritual level, and people will fucking lynch you for calling him a right winger or conservative or even a republican and not just a normal centrist unbiased apolitical guy who just wants to like play games bro.
>>2150104>leaving Breadtubers in the dust over their unwillingness to praise China.why do you guys hate china when he's hated for praising china
Breadtube “lost” because it didn’t exist in any meaningful capacity to begin with. Most of the people in OP’s image have little to nothing to do with eachother, and at least half of them never even identified as “breadtubers”; it was a terms largely applied to them post-hoc by others.
To the extent that it did exist, they failed to “flood the zone with shit”. Constantly spamming shit keeps you both in people’s feeds, and in the conversation. It also makes it harder for others to take you down; if you say or do something that’s unpopular, all you have to do is pump out more videos, and the discourse will move on. The only people I can think of in that image who do that are Hasan, Destiny, and Agent Kochinski, and they are, not coincidentally, far and away the most culturally relevant. I honestly think they make for good case studies; Agent Kochinski in particular has done all sorts of career-ending horrible shit, but he’s still managed to maintain and even expand his audience, simply by virtue of putting out a ton of content.
Aside from that, you have to remember that internet politics in general are, by and large, incredibly niche. Most people not only aren’t aware who any of these people are, but don’t know who 99.999999999% of the Ecelebs who get talked about in /isg/ are. They only feel important to us because we run in circles where they come up regularly. I highly recommend reading this blog post:
https://shelraphen.com/you-are-not-immune-to-filter-bubbles/Fair warning, it contains liberal bits, but the overall point is a good one, and it’s communicated clearly.
>>2188720not only is it literally impossible to commit a war crime against a fascist but also the atomic bombings were not a war crime.
>>2188730lmao no one ever ethnically cleansed germans (but they should have)
>>2188734hmmm wonder how the germans got there in the first place.
hint: it was by murdering all the people who lived there and taking their land.
de-colonization is not ethnic cleansing, and even if it was, fascists are not people.
>>2188739not all germans were expelled, they actually made exceptions specifically for anti-fascist germans who were allowed to stay.
everyone else deserved much worse tbh.
>>2190098That's a bummer.
>>2190235Also another bummer, who is this Jesse Gender why is he friends with someone like that?
>>2190245Yes and boys become men when they make their first post on /leftypol/.
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