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 No.217052[Last 50 Posts]

Watching the people get lairy
It's not very pretty I tell thee
Walking through town is quite scary
It's not very sensible either
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 No.217064

Hey what's going on in Scotland? Or is it Ireland? Apparently uprisings are happening.
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 No.217073

>>217064
If I understand correctly it's about proky moving in on sports ball.
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 No.217077

>>217064
In Northern Ireland the Loyalists were rioting in part because of the brexit deal separating the Norn economy from GB, in part because they see the police being pro-catholic (they're not), and in part because a Loyalist Drug Gang got done by the police so they wanted revenge. The rioting mostly stopped because of Prince Philip's death tho: the loyalists being as cucked as they are.

As for Scotland, actually they have been the calm so far, however if the nationalists win a majority in Holyrood and the UK gov refuses to grant them a referendum: things will get lairy.
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 No.217084

>>217052
banger
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 No.217089

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 No.217093

You can tell the "Kill the Bill" and football protests don't actually threaten anything, because the 77th brigaders, social-fascist outfits, Gallowayites, Corbynites, tory nonces and other assorted scum on the Reset gravy train aren't lining up to denounce them and they're widely shown in media.

Compare that to the anti-lockdown protest in London last year which was met with the full force of the police, or the 500,000 strong march just the other week, which are repressed, silenced, shunned and smeared to no end by stenographers of the bourgeoisie like Marianna Spring.
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 No.217102

>>217093
There's a photo in the middle of the anti-lockdown protest.
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 No.217119

>>217102
I wasn't talking about that. Notice how all the fake leftists online won't touch the dirty fredom loving workers.
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 No.217179

>>217073
That's only a small part, there are regular anti-lockdown protests, XR stuff, and protests against the devilishly authoritarian Police, Crimes, and Sentencing Bill.
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 No.217257

>>217052
>TFW when the one of the biggest leftist events in the UK in the past few years happened because of footie
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 No.217280

>>217093
You really are a retarded little schizophrenic gremlin. 77th have been shitting and farting all over the place about KTB.
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 No.217293

>>217257
you just know they voted leave too. cheers to them but it's not nearly enough. 50+1 is the bare minimum of acceptable change from the americans' greedy plans.
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 No.217294

>>217257
>TFW you are out here rioting against anti-protest laws and laws that criminalize your people who live in traveller and squatter communties but all anyone wants to talk about is the retarded football habbenin that isn't even happening.
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 No.217297

>>217280
The likes of Tobias Elwood (literally a 77th member) haven't raised a peep about it, despite howling about workers going to the beach in England last June.
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 No.217333

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>>217297
>Open reddit thread about KTB:
<WholesomeChungus3875 (Account created 2 weeks ago): The bill is good actually it doesn't restrict your freedom to protest and actually with things like XR and other disruptive groups blah blah blah (tl;dr)
>Open twitter and search for KTB:
<Dozens of accounts with 0 followers: Get the water cannons out give em a wash heheh get the rubber bullets!!
Meanwhile
>Google Tobias "The Literal Who" Elwood
<Pic related
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 No.217346

>>217093
>stenographers of the bourgeoisie
my new band name
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 No.217714

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Looking forward to the blairite meltdown when starmer gets smashed this thursday
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 No.217767

burger moving to london soon for school. any advice/recs?
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 No.217789

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>>217333
>>Google Tobias "The Literal Who" Elwood
Brah… Unironically i thought he was a blues brother when lenin hat mentioned him.
>>217767
>any advice/recs?
It is a horrible place, transfer asap for your own mental and financial well being.
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 No.217843

>>217789
>It is a horrible place, transfer asap for your own mental and financial well being.
I expected as much, but the program is too good.
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 No.217856

>>217843
>I expected as much, but the program is too good.
Fair enough, what are you studying?
I would say go out to seek a social life explictly because it probably wont happen on the random, londoners are rude and a-social by default. Don't do normal shit like talk to people on the bus or in the street or park because they will freak out and think you are a weirdo or trying to ask them for money, probably join clubs or osmething, idk, i only know what not to do, sadly.
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 No.217868

>>217856
>normal shit like talk to people on the bus
scotsman detected
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 No.217873

>>217789
>Brah… Unironically i thought he was a blues brother when lenin hat mentioned him.
Kek, the Literal Whos Brothers
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 No.217879

>>217856
Don't wanna self-dox, but it's a critical theory masters program, of which there are very few in the english speaking world, and even fewer worth the cost (though school outside of the US, even when expensive, is so much fucking cheaper than anything here).
>Don't do normal shit like talk to people on the bus or in the street or park because they will freak out and think you are a weirdo or trying to ask them for money
Damn, you euros are weird.
But yeah creating a social scene is gonna be the first thing I'm gonna try to set up. I have some friends-of-friends there, but not much.
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 No.217924

>>217767
First of all, it's a shithole and everything is too expensive.

Some tips to survivie

Look arround local supermarkets, a bunch of them basically add 20-40% to all prices just for being in London. From my experience, your best option is online (They have the same price no matter where you live) shopping or the occasional big Lidl.

As before, all the pubs and bars are ridiculously inflated. Even most spoons are 50% extra than anywhere else in the UK. So look around for a cheaper place. Or get a hip flask.

One good point is there's plenty of short-term work. Look into agencies for events. (Just ask around you should be able to find one). They will offer good rates for a day's work and are very flexible. Great for when you are in uni.

Trains are really expensive, try to take the bus.

Pret coffee's are a quid and you can sit in there all day on your laptop.

Look into local churches, they are usually giving out free food both for students and in foodbanks ( Usually foodbanks have limits on how many times you can use them in a month but London has so many churches/charities, you can hit up a bunch of different ones.)
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 No.217966

>>217924
Thanks m8. you make living in london sound like being a homless person.
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 No.217990

>>217966
Honestly with how much the rent is.it is like being fucking homeless.
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 No.218003

>>217990
A cursory look online seems to place london rents still lower than NYC, where I'm at right now, but yeah. I'm hoping to score some subsidized student housing at least.
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 No.218011

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 No.218022

>>218011
kek, salmond?
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 No.218050

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 No.218093

Fucking weird man I had that Kaiser Cheefs song stuck in my head when I was opening up the shop this morning.

Also, leninhat not voting CPB cos of their independent Sage woman is based. Not cos I’m anti lockdown but because i too think it glows how CPB are such a tiny party yet seemingly have these randomly very high powered members and also basically act as a block on communist organsiing in the U.K. by sucking up radical youths into parties which refuse to have any sensible positions beyond their takes on parts of history.
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 No.218098

>>218003
Look out for Student housing tho. It's often more expensive than living in a house share in the same area. Have a look arround. (Your best option might be living in outer london and commuting in.)
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 No.218104

>>217767
Join your local acorn branch
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 No.218107

Lenin hat what do you think of the Alba party by the way
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 No.218110

>>218104

nah m8 its 8 pound a month. Bad Deal
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 No.218118

>>218110
I have personally saved like 3 grand having a tenants union membership and also eh, don’t be a fucking scab maybe
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 No.218137

>>218118
Nah it's bad value for the most part. It's like buying a scratch card,
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 No.218138

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Top tier LARP.
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 No.218142

>>218138
Eh tbf, much better than most young poltiical meetups you see.
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 No.218148

>>218137
>Tarquin thinks unions are about him alone
You are cringe honestly
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 No.218157

>>218148
I'm working class, if the consumer advocacy group is a bad investmant for me I'm not gonna join. If I wanna give to charity Il give to the homeless men outside.
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 No.218164

>>218157
>why would I join a trade union my wages are fine I could just spend my money on BTC a trade union is a bad investment for me I’ll probably never get laid off it’s like a scratch card if I wanted to give my money to a charity I would just give my money to the homeless
Scab.
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 No.218165

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>>218157
Your beveragé, Sire.
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 No.218171

>>218164
I can't scab if its not a union retard. What picket am I crossing?
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 No.218173

>>218165
Acorn is a middle-class organization. Made up of almost all Taquins. Anyone who can give up over 100 pounds a year to virtue signal is a tarquin.
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 No.218174

>>218171
The Anti-Anglo picket, resident definition mongerer.
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 No.218178

>>218173
>8 x 12 = somewhere over 100
Top minds of Labour
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 No.218190

in fairness to brocialist flag, if you're looking to throw money at a hopeless charity case then you'd be hard pressed to find a faster way of doing it than buying labour membership
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 No.218193

>>218178
You just exposed yourself as never having been a member of Acorn. The cost is whatever your hourly wage is. The minimum wage is £8.72. Therefore the annual Acorn payment is always over £100.
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 No.218196

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>>218193
business idea: look at the website before talking
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 No.218198

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>>218110
>its 8 pound a month
>>218193
>You just exposed yourself as never having been a member of Acorn. The cost is whatever your hourly wage is. The minimum wage is £8.72. Therefore the annual Acorn payment is always over £100.
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 No.218202

>>218196
These are the membership rate for Lumpen not that working class. I'm not Lumpen, I wouldnt know.
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 No.218204

>>218202
whoops wrong flag
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 No.218263

>>218171
Being in a workplace and not in the union is also being a scab.

>>218173
You realise unite is £15 a month yeh?
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 No.218268

>>218202
Yeh we know you’re not a lumpen tarquin
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 No.218275

>>218098
It wouldn't be on-campus or university owned student housing but student subsidized housing, but I hear ya. Thanks again for all the advice m8s

>>218104
I have no idea what that is.
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 No.218282

>>218275
>I have no idea what that is.
Your local Labour shill probably awakes in a cold sweat after dreaming about them every night
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 No.218291

>>218263

Well luckly ACORN IS FOR CONSUMERS SO THERE IS NO WORK PLACE YOU FUCKING NONSE

AND ERRR RETARD ALEART YEAH ID PAY 15 POUND A MONTH FOR AN ACUTAL UNION THAT INCRESES MY WAGES AND CONDITIONS NOT SOME NEBULOUS SLAVE MORALITY CHARITY, THAT ENFROCES EXISTING CONTRACTS.


>>218268
Yeah, obviously you can tell from the quality of my posts that I'm not lumpen.
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 No.218296

>>218282
Reminder almost all the leadership of Acorn are in the labour party. Local Acorns draw most of their support from labour activists.
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 No.218302

The absolute state of the brocialist flag “don’t go in student housing it’s more expensive but also no point in joining a tenants union” literally the first thing that came out his mouth is about housing but he won’t join the union.

People who are in the tenants movement
>labour (brocialist fabled party) members and activists, shit loads of them, including councillors and campaigners, the party recently took the time to come to hustings hosted by living rent in order to basically take housing policy from them
>CPB members and activists, shitloads of them, many YCL also
>assorted trot groups, literally all of them
>anarchists
>Green Party members
>CPGBML members
>literally all groups in the left in the U.K.
>just not brocialist flag because he knows better
Imagine being this cringe
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 No.218309

>>218302
>People who are in the tenants movement labor

Proof its not revolutionary and alrteady co-opted. Labour memebrs are the majority group. Its just another boring labour meeting with extra fee's.
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 No.218310

>>218291
The workplace in this instance is your community dumb shit. If you’re a renter and you ain’t in the union you’re a scab. It’s okay to be a scab out of not knowing. But you do know.
>unite is a radical union more so than the tenants unions
Kek not even unite reps I know believe this. Literally paid staff (they are also living rent members) wonder what you know that they don’t.

>>218296
Proving my point. Obviously the better labour members unlike the shitcunt factjon of the Labour Party, keirites and whatever you are
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 No.218313

>>218302
>The absolute state of the brocialist flag “don’t go in student housing it’s more expensive but also no point in joining a tenants union” literally the first thing that came out his mouth is about housing but he won’t join the union.

GUESS WHAT YOU FUCKING DUMBASS, ACORN DOESN'T REDUCE RENTS, THEY HAVE ALMOST NEVER DONE RENT STRIKES. THEY LITTERALLY JUST ENOFRCE EXISTING LAWS ON THE BOOKS. ITS LITTERALLY JUST A CONSUMER ADVOCACY GROUP.
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 No.218314

>he thinks renters are "consumers"
ideology so pure it's already got a starring role in the next call of duty
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 No.218316

>>218309
Tying yourself in knots here my son. Yes there are labour members, no it is nothing like a labour meeting lmao acorn has actually made gains for working people in the last 5 years
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 No.218317

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>>218309
>Labour is the group that will give us socialism
>But your org is full of Labour members so it's bad
>I'm in Labour btw
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 No.218318

hmm yes i think i will just cut back on my consumption of housing, then i can reinvest the surplus into the labour party.
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 No.218319

>>218310
>>218310
>The workplace in this instance is your community

WELL THEN THATS BY DEFINITION

NOT
A
WORK
PLACE
AS
IN
NOT
A
PLACE
OF WORK

Sorry you tarquin moralist fuck, im not joining some fucking consumer advocacy group to feel revooltion.

Also you misquouted me. Unite isn't revolutionary but they do particpate in collective bargining unlike Acorn.
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 No.218321

>>218313
>acorn has never done rent strikes
Bitch how do you think you get to the size you can do a rent strike? Oh you just magically get there one day if you sloganeer hard enough? Nope, you infantile ultraleft retard, you have to build deep, piece by piece. It’s a painstaking process not for kiddies such as yourself. I’m glad you’re not part of it tbh.
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 No.218324

>>218317
If your org is full of labour members it's not revolutionary. Cope more soc-dems
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 No.218326

>>218324
But… you are a Labour member
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 No.218327

>>218319
>the community is not a place of work
>hur duuuuur eeeeer wtf is domestic labour urrrfhhhh
>ooooh what the hell is upkeep of a dwelling
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 No.218333

>>218331
So you admit then they do do strikes and rent strikes are possible.
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 No.218334

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weak, useless acorn liberals: ohhh mr landlord please fix the pipes
strong, powerful labour leader: i'm not going to hurt you… that's the job of my heavies… *pushes him to the top of the stairwell, then flips him down it head over heels once the cameras are gone*
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 No.218335

>>218321
Ah yes, your union which doesnt do strikes, operate in a workplace or collectivly bargain.

NOT
A
UNION
COPE
MORE
MORALIST
SOC
DEM
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 No.218336

>>218326
I think he’s genuinely an autist
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 No.218339

are we really doing the "so called Union of the Comoros" gimmick again
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 No.218341

>>218335
I have personally been part of collective bargaining with my local acorn affiliated union. They regularly do collective bargaining in social housing and with multiple property landlords. Like, week in, week out. You yourself said that they do sometimes do rent strikes.

You yourself are a socdem in the Labour Party. What the fuck is wrong with you really
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 No.218342

>>218339
We must do it until he shuts his stupid hole
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 No.218344

>>218334
Counterrevolutionary ACORN HQ: We have trolled over a thousand landlords this month alone
Socialism doing Labour HQ: If we throw another election we can finally put David Miliband on the ticket
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 No.218346

Brocialist flag literally never heard of the term reproduction
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 No.218348

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>>218336
>>218326
>Can't understand infiltrating a group you disagree with
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 No.218351

I was expelled from Durham University for kicking a maths lecturers teeth in when he persisted in talking about a "countable union of disjoint open intervals" despite my corrections.
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 No.218355

>>218348
I'm infiltrating the Tories as Labour fights harder to get them elected anyway. It's 4D chess.
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 No.218357

>>218348
>infiltrating
What you mean filling out the form and voting for starmer. Wow labour is literally on the cusp of purging the centrists
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 No.218361

>>218351
>Manchester United
>Is one of two Manchester clubs
Explain yourself Manchester
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 No.218365

>>218344
acorn timewasters: ohh we got your landlord to stop raising the rent every 2 months
labour chads: terrifying landlords by writing articles in labourlist about how landlords have too much power in labour https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2020/10/is-there-a-witch-hunt-of-landlords-in-the-labour-party
it is difficult to express the disgust i feel knowing such a site exists, that the people behind it imagine themselves engaged in a respectable pursuit instead of one of the most egregious forms of parasitism known to man.
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 No.218367

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>In the article Evans calls himself "a Labour activist and founding member of Labour Tenants United."
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 No.218368

>>218365
More proof ACORN exist to attack good socialists smh
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 No.218370

>starmer claims £250 a day on a chauffeur driven car
>Acorn organisers make living wage (9.60)
>le acorn is too expensive
Imagine you are brocialist flag. You have the distinct taste of crayon wax in your mouth most days. On other days you are angry because mumsy has put the crayons on a top shelf out of your reach.
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 No.218375

>>218365
Reminder, Acorn does not opperate like this (Proving soc dem is and has never been a member). They don't work on the basis of negotiating rent.
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 No.218378

(It is in these days you decide to post about tenants unions on leftypol even though you have never paid rent)
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 No.218381

>>218375
>gets upset ACORN doesn't operate a certain way
>bases his whole plan on a way Labour doesn't operate
AUTISM
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 No.218382

>>218375
They have on many different occasions negotiated rent, they have also stopped evictions on many different occasions. Shut ya mouth.
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 No.218384

Bloody hell, for the monthly cost of Acorn membership at the living wage (~£10/month) you could get 120 crayons from Tesco home delivery. Not just any crayons mind you, Crayolas… I might switch from Benylin®.
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 No.218385

>>218370
Labour costs far less for me (£3 a month) than Acorn.
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 No.218386

Remember when brocialist flag said renting a flat was a luxury and you can survive on rice and water
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 No.218393

>>218385
>Le stop evicitions meme.

I've been to these demonstrations. They either

>Enfroce an existing contract or legal conditions

consumer advocayc
>Stave off eviction for less than a week
Pointless

Either way not a union, not revoultionary.

They also barely if ever negotioate rent. I've only ever seen my one do it once with a block of student housing for tarquins
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 No.218395

>>218384
That’s 4 crayons to consume a day. Bargain.

>>218385
Name one thing Labour has given you in the last five years. Hard mode no “ disappointment and a sense of betrayal” answer allowed
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 No.218397

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>>218386
>you can survive on rice and water
i mean it's true, if you're a fucking koi fish
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 No.218399

>>218385
Think of all the Mossad agents half a million people could pay for at just £3 a month
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 No.218400

>>218386
>>218386
Both of these are true. You are just moralizing and coping.
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 No.218401

>>218400
You are a copemonster in a big Anglo box
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 No.218402

>>218399
>Muh ethical consumption

You need to be a member to vote in internal labour party elections. Aka the only activity that matters on the British left
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 No.218406

>>218402
>vote in internal labour party elections. Aka the only activity that matters on the British left
>everyone is a socdem but me btw
This is funny, but it would be funnier if you had the mental capacity to realise when you are embarrassing yourself
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 No.218407

>>218401
I'm the only one in this thread outside of the Anglo(Norman) box.

Look at how I enrage the Anglos(Normans and celts) in this thread.
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 No.218408

>>218400
>he says, also advocating labour aristocratic unions that cost £15 a month
Literally every other poster in this thread is at least consistent in their beliefs even if we generally disagree. You literally just say words. You don’t have anything close to a coherent position on anything. Absolutely typical loudmouth do nothing bet you creep on girls at your labour meetings
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 No.218411

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>Both of these are true. You are just moralizing and coping.
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 No.218412

>>218400
Guaranteed you eat a diet of Tesco pizzas
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 No.218413

>>218407
Coping Anglo box autist
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 No.218414

>>218408
Cope, Moralise and Seethe.
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 No.218415

>>218411
>I was swimming in the Caribbean
>animals were hiding behind the rocks
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 No.218420

>>218414
>he says , branding renters as people who live in luxury
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 No.218421

How to get something out of Labour:
1) Be a Mossad agent
2) Apply to work at the Labour Party
Congratulations you are the first person in over half a century to get something out of Labour that wasn't Sure Start
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 No.218425

>>218407
>norman bad
Brocialist confirmed to be paid for by the Jute lobby.
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 No.218431

>literally hasn’t been able to name a thing Labour has given him in the last 5 years
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 No.218435

>>218420
Moralising again you fucking illiterate fool.

It’s a luxury good as marx defined it. If a poor person owns luxury good. They don’t live in “luxury”
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 No.218436

>>218431
Jeremy corbyn
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 No.218439

>>218435
>it's a "housing is a luxury" episode
Business idea: What if Leninhat never read any books?
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 No.218449

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 No.218452

>>218435
>it’s as Marx described it
It isn’t.
>>218436
And what did he give us?
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 No.218455

So who is Leftypol's approved pick for the Unite Gensec?
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 No.218461

>>218455
Howard Beckett
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 No.218961

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-punched-police-during-man-20516832
Man 'punched' by police during Man United protest has broken jaw and cracked ribs, partner claims
Powerhungry pigs.
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 No.218990

Where is the fucking Stalin banner???
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 No.219488

>>217093

The lockdowns were here for a reason, Didn't you get covid at any point?
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 No.219490

>>217119
>I wasn't talking about that. Notice how all the fake leftists online won't touch the dirty fredom loving workers.

You're kidding me, If we look at the class composition of some of these anti lockdown protests there is alot of the petty bourgeois among them because they want there little businesses back open
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 No.219976

>>217093
I'm sure that if there were a load of flat-earth protests (for some reason) they'd be smeared a lot too.
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 No.219980

>>218990
???
WHO FUCKED STALIN
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 No.219982

>>217119
>Please save mummies wedding planning business
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 No.219987

>>217119
lenin hat is an angloid? the obnoxiousness makes sense now
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 No.219997

>>218093
SAGE really wasn't high-powered until COVID, hence why they let that lady in. Their new body JBC is just full of spooks.
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 No.220001

>>218173
Guarantee that you are a uni-student
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 No.220009

>>218348
>thinking about how Militant run Labour
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 No.220017

>>218400
Accommodation is not a luxury. In jobs that aren't service jobs, bosses provide accommodation if you don't have it.
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 No.220023

Replying to every post in the thread individually… LIKE A BOSS
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 No.220029

>>220023
Got to make it look busier
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 No.220209

File: 1620125444624.png (52.92 KB, 777x437, ClipboardImage.png)

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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 No.220221

>>220209
>6% NIP
POGGERS
MEME POLITICS IS BACK ON THE MENU
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 No.220224

>>220209
>Total: 301
rly m8
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 No.220361

File: 1620129497090.png (41.07 KB, 567x479, ClipboardImage.png)

Are you ready for mass polarisation in Scotland and street demos???
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 No.220366

>>220224
>T.I don't know how polls work
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 No.220370

the most useless, reactionary, reformist, etc. thread available on leftypol – now and forever
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 No.220375

>>220370
>WORDS
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 No.220377

>>220366
>brocialist tard once again pretending to know how something works by asserting it
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 No.220388

>>220370
Yankee go home
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 No.220392

>>220361
Based.

I hope you aren’t implying polarisation in politics is due to Scottish independence lmao
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 No.220415

>>220361
what valid reasons are there for Scotland to stay in the UK?
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 No.220424

>>220370
this thread is unironically the vanguard of semi-effective organizational strategy.
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 No.220426

were britpol were britpol and that’s the way we like it
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 No.220457

>>220366
Go on explain it
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 No.220552

>>220426
EVERYWHERE WE GO
PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK US
WHO WE ARE
AND WHERE WE COME FROM
SO WE TELL THEM
WE'RE LEFTY LEFTYBRITPOL
LEFTYBRITPOL
MINING SALT LIKE IT'S COAL
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 No.220660

File: 1620141630447.png (67.32 KB, 709x354, ClipboardImage.png)

Thoughts on the fact that organised labour is more female?
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 No.220664

>>220660
wtf i love women now
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 No.220806

>>220664
Women r based
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 No.220809

>>220660
Probably on account of more women being teachers and working in the NHS or for the council as a cleaner or something and these are like the only unionised professions any more would be my guess, but also, women are based incels btfo
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 No.220813

>>220552
Sick bruv
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 No.220876

>>220457
No im not your slave moralist
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 No.220880

>>220876
Write more shitty posts for me bitch
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 No.220885

>>219987
That's me, I'm a Stalinist, covid denying, anti vaxxer, 9/11 truther Anglo Saxon.
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 No.220896

>>220880
I've never written a shitty post
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 No.220897

>>220885
What phone and operating system do you use Lenin Hat? What's the LH approved tech?
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 No.220898

>The White "KKKommunist" Brocialist Flag doesn't respect the moral systems of enslaved and colonized people
shocking revelation!
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 No.220911

>>220898
I'm not white because white people don't exist.
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 No.220915

>>220911
well you're not red and you're not black so who the fuck does that leave, the greens?
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 No.220917

>>219490
Most are workers. In any case, the petit bourgeoisie is less of a problem to deal with than the giant multinational corporations like Amazon and Microsoft who love lockdown.
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 No.220924

>>220917
thatcher was of petit bourgeoisie stock, they are the most dangerous people by a country mile. they are like starved rats. the bourgeoisie will have his henchman shoot you, but the petit bourgeoisie would chew through your face himself just for fun, he is without restraint, a pure burning pit of bubbling bile and evaporating evil.
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 No.220929

…erupting evil, even.
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 No.220932

>>220917
Lockdown is good because it liquidates the petty bourgs and that's the tea
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 No.220956

>>220876
Embarrassing yourself again I see
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 No.220959

>>220885
Tell me what you think of the Alba party
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 No.220965

>>220932
It liquidates workers who are deemed surplus to requirements. A good fifty people got sacked at my workplace because of lockdown. For every small business going under, there's a hundred workers being thrown on the scrapheap.
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 No.220974

>>220965
thought this was your description of the alba party for a second
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 No.220991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwCsniGaXeI
Don't agree with them, but it's kinda impressive how the anti-lockdown lot are able to put the police on the back foot.
Summer of Discontent indeed.
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 No.220994

>>220959
Usually bourgeois nationalist drivel.
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 No.220995

>>220660
The future really is female…
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 No.220997

>>220991
Cranks are the most powerful people on the planet. Mass schizophrenic eruptions are the only force that can bring down capatalism.
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 No.221017

>>220965
Damn if only somebody wrote something explaining this. We have to stop it!
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 No.221267

>>220660
Not a single person in my work is a union.
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 No.221273

>>221017
Yeah you see I've actually read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin. Which is why I can analyse what's going on and understand it. I said from the start that it would be used to repress workers.
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 No.221296

labour is going to get hammered again and Starmer is going to blame Corbyn again
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 No.221310

>>221267
Truly everywhere you go bursts at the seams with socialist activity
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 No.221327

>>221310
There's practically no proletarian organisation anywhere around in the entirety of Britain. Don't know what you're sneering at. That's why the capitalists have had us over the barrel for the last 14 months and are only intensifying the rape. There's no point trying to organise with cretinous organisations who cheer on lockdowns.
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 No.221339

>>221327
I left the UK for this exact reason
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 No.221380

>>221339
Can't say I blame you, but let's be real it's not that different elsewhere. The lockdown offensive is global.
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 No.221391

>>221380
lockdown is basically over in Australia and New Zealand because unlike us they weren't fucking mongs and (a) took advantage of their position as island countries. (b) closed things early, letting them subsequently re-open them early.
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 No.221405

>>221380
You truly have no idea what you're talking about. Go outside and talk with people. Ask them what they think and why. People don't want to go to work and die or pass the virus to their family members. They know that companies depend on them so they still need them around for when this ends.
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 No.221412

>>221391
They're police states that lock down for one case. The fascist cunt Ardern has already said No Jab No Job policies are in plsce
They will have vaccine passes (ID cards) before Britain.
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 No.221418

>>221405
Nice false flagging you little 77th brigade weirdo. As I said my workplace sacked fifty people last year. The capitalists DON'T need us when they can just plunder and inflate assets away. I've kept going to work as normal, luckily. But millions aren't.
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 No.221483

>>220994
Paul Cockshott is a bourgeoise nationalist? Also doesn’t a country need a national bourgeoise revolution before it can progress to socialism? Such as the MNR in Bolivia or revolutionary nationalist movements that preceded chavismo?
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 No.221519

>>221483
Scotland has its national bourgeois revolution centuries ago and has been amalgamated into the British nation for over three hundred years. It's not oppressed or a colony. It will be a plaything of the EU and NATO. I don't want to live in pathetic tinpot ex-Yugoslav style republics of Scotland, Wales, England, probably further balkanisation of England, I want a united and mighty socialist Great Britain. Nationalism is usually reactionary unless the nation is oppressed by another, and Scotland isn't.
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 No.221525

>>221519
Do you seriously believe we will have a mighty socialist Britain though and not just a crumby declining empire
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 No.221533

>>221418
The lockdown was fine, I actually enjoyed it as I got to catch up on all my favourite Netflix shows and the vaccine hardly hurt at all. Not sure what this "77th Brigade" is but it sounds like more conspiracy theorist nonsense.
Now come on out and drink your corn syrup.
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 No.221537

File: 1620160381140.mp4 (6.98 MB, 1280x720, Armija Republike Buckingha….mp4)

>>221519
>I don't want to live in pathetic tinpot ex-Yugoslav style republics of Scotland, Wales, England, probably further balkanisation of England
fucking coward
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 No.221540

>>221537
Imagine not wanting to make the UKKK go up in a legendary ball of flames. Couldn't be me!
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 No.221586

>>221525
Probably not, because there's absolutely zero chance of a proletarian revolution in Britain. But my life would not change one jot if Britain split up. It would likely be worse if anything.
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 No.221755

>>221586
You don’t think a big constitutional change like that would shake things up a bit so it’s more likely? Not to mention the undeniable Scottish tendency towards socialism and the knock on effect on Ireland and Wales
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 No.221757

Huh, that happened
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 No.221762

>>221757
What, the bot?
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 No.221970

>>221537
tbh the backing track is shit, someone give me some lyrics and I will record a turbofolk audio to put over a track
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 No.222450

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 No.222477

>>222450
nice how this is now the most liked tweet they got for a while
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 No.222510

>>222450
twitter is a cesspit, what else is new
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 No.223172

>>222450
>replies are just hundreds of americans
Covid-21 when?
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 No.223283

>>220885
>9/11 truther
Based
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 No.223305

>>220991
That's a lot of students at the start and there doesn't seem to be that many at the end.
>>221273
Well yeah but isn't that true of anything they can use to repress workers. The lockdown is a tragedy but like I've always said if we'd had a proper response at the start, when your lot were saying it was a hoax, there would be no excuse to impose a lockdown. I'm not that sure that still true though, this is Bill Gates wet dream and they won't let the opportunity pass them by.
>>221533
Cunt
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 No.223657

>>223305
>That's a lot of students at the start and there doesn't seem to be that many at the end.
Yeah you're not wrong, also worth mentioning how much the Qanon/anti-vaxx/anti-lockdown movements are multiracial. They're not just middle class white people angry, lockdown has hit the petit-bourgeois hard and ethnic minority PB and joining with their white counterparts (that tend to be more wealthy) into this political movement. Will be interseting to see where this goes, the Freedom Alliance formed as a anti-lockdown political party and is standing in much of the country, seems libertarian in bent. At the same time Piers Corbyn is doing a left-crank thing in London.
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 No.223790

File: 1620220958794.mp4 (936.57 KB, 636x360, live from hartlepool.mp4)

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 No.223805

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 No.223814

>>221273
>I've actually read x
>Which is why I defend petit bourgeoisie
Lenin Hat, I …
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 No.223833

>>223657
>Freedom Alliance
I wonder how they'll do. I do agree with a few of their points, but its all peak liberalism at the end of the day. You can't just reform the healthcare industry under capitalism and think that it will just recreate the same issues. In the most extreme, say that anti-vax alternative medicine becomes the norm, the current herbal supplement industry will just supplant the pharmaceuticals but with even greater profit margins.
I hate to sound like a dengist but the correct position is that these companies do provide a vital role but that they must be controlled and cannot dictate the market themselves (as they do now). Unfortunately for us, this is something that has only been realised in the third-world with countries like Indonesia and so on. This position only occurs because they are truely harmed by the industry.
In the west (not including colonised people in US/Canada/Aus etc) this area of thought has traditionally been dominated by petit-boug quacks since few people here are ever actually harmed by the industry. They've now capitalised on the harm caused by the response/lockdown and funnel it into their false consciousness.
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 No.224412

>>221755
No, it'll just reinforce capitalism like it did in Yugoslavia, the USSR, even most of Africa. Fact is that even Ireland is thoroughly capitalist and the workers movement is just as weak there as anywhere in Western Europe. Aside from colonies like Korea or Vietnam, national liberation has not always led to socialism. In fact the opposite is true. You only have to look at White Poland after WW1. Scotland only had a strong communist movement when Britain as a whole did (1920s-1960s).
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 No.224417

>>222450
You can tell how screen damaged and mentally warped people are when they assume the CP bit refers to noncery.
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 No.224422

>>223305
>Well yeah but isn't that true of anything they can use to repress workers. The lockdown is a tragedy but like I've always said if we'd had a proper response at the start, when your lot were saying it was a hoax, there would be no excuse to impose a lockdown.
Obviously they take any opportunity they can get, but it's coordinated on such a global level at the highest levels of government that it's no mere opportunism and grasping. They know what they're doing.
And the calls for a "proper response" are just playing into their hands. I say no restrictions of any kind. These Malthusian sociopaths have no right to impinge my freedom.
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 No.224484

>>224422
No learn from your betters (the third-world proleteriat) and stop listening to petit-boug and labour aristocrats from the UK
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 No.224500

>>224484
Third worldism is cringe and idpol
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 No.224590

>>224484
"Third world" proletarians are chafing under lockdown. Communists in India, Philippines, Benin and Kenya to name a few have opposed lockdown policies. Truly is insane how you people can brush off hundreds of thousands of protesters as petit bourgeois. Also as for Labour Aristocrats, they're the ones comfortably working from home the whole time who aren't affected by cuts. Pathetic creatures who live off the teat of their rulers. Meanwhile filthy proles like me don't have that luxury.
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 No.224593

>>224412
>like Yugoslavia.
But Yugoslavia was a socialist country not an imperialist country. Why not break up an imperialist country?

Also soz but in loads of cases National liberation has lead to socialism. Bolivia and Venezuela for one in a softer form. Cuba also, China, Korea, Vietnam, India’s various communist parties were all involved in National liberation struggles early on although the situation there is different to those others
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 No.224596

>>224412
Also the period you are referring to with communism in Scotland only being strong when it was strong in Britain is also the period globally when communism was strong so it’s hardly the causal factor.
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 No.224623

>>224593
I don't consider Yugoslavia as a socialist country. Especially not in the early 90s. And has it helped the socialists there? No, it's put them even further under the jackboot and they're totally enslaved by NATO and the EU. There's little point in breaking up an imperialist country if it doesn't advance communism. Most of the cases you cite were colonies brutally exploited by imperialism. Comparing Scotland to China or Vietnam is clearly false given Scotland, like many other regions now clamouring for independence like Bavaria and Catalonia took a leading role in imperialism. But even India didn't have a revolution, sadly. The only example in an imperialist state is Sweden and Norway in the 1900s, and a century later we can say that it hasn't done anything for the working class movement in either country. Frankly, even if we look at Great Britain, did Irish independence provoke a revolutionary uprising in Britain? Far from it.
I think there is a case for national liberation when a nation is clearly oppressed and exploited, like Palestine or Sahrawi. But in most cases, and certainly in modern Europe, it serves no purpose other than to infect the working class with new nationalist ideology.
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 No.224651

>>224623
Have you read the Alba manifesto? It’s probably the most radical platform for any mainstream party in Europe at this moment. You could say they aren’t mainstream really, but Alex Salmond did used to be first minister. What is being proposed is a fairly radical transformation, by a politician who is an insider. Cunt as he is. The abolition of the House of Lords and the introduction of a Citizens chamber which can act on legislation and also conduct investigations on parliament. Interestingly, like Yugoslavia, they have also suggested co-operatisation of industry. Massive social house building, a finite end to the issue of food poverty .
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 No.224658

Thinking of booking a pint with the lads in a beer garden. Havn't been to one for a propper nights drinking yet since they opened up. What are peoples experiences with the outside only pubs?
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 No.224662

your people want to set their monetary policy at the rate that best suits their primarily export oriented economy rather than having it set in the interest of a financial services oriented capital city 500 miles away? sorry some guys from your country owned Jamaica 200 years ago so you'll just have to eat the inevitable unemployment :)
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 No.224672

>>224658
Just like a beer garden until it gets dark or rains and then it sucks but you can just go sesh at someone’s then
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 No.224673

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 No.224684

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/05/one-third-recent-covid-deaths-not-caused-virus/



Nearly one third of recently registered Covid deaths in England and Wales are people who died primarily from other causes, the latest figures show.

Weekly death data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows that, for nearly 33 per cent of people included in the overall coronavirus death figures, Covid was not an underlying cause of death but was merely mentioned on the death certificate.

The number of people who are not principally dying from Covid but are still being included in the official figures has been creeping up steadily as the pandemic has declined.

It had been running at around 10 per cent for most of the crisis but had risen to nearly a quarter by mid-April and is continuing to increase.

In the latest data, published on Wednesday, which records death registrations in the week ending April 23, some 260 deaths from Covid were recorded in England and Wales, but only 67.7 per cent (176) of those had the virus as an underlying cause.

The new figures showed that more people are now dying from flu and pneumonia than Covid for the first time since before the second wave.

While 176 people were listed as dying from Covid as the underlying cause, 278 died from influenza and pneumonia.

The figures show that coronavirus deaths in England and Wales now make up just 2.6 per cent of all deaths – the lowest since September. At the height of the second wave earlier this year, some 45.7 per cent of all deaths involved the virus.
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 No.224771

File: 1620246147967.mp4 (874.24 KB, 568x320, British.mp4)

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 No.224789

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 No.224824

>>224771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYjIPtqz7R8
The full video is a work of art for the record.
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 No.224826

File: 1620247373646.png (261.62 KB, 482x924, ClipboardImage.png)

Thoughts on the election tomorrow in Scotland?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Scottish_Parliament_election
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 No.224838

File: 1620247794401.png (87.81 KB, 985x638, ClipboardImage.png)

>>224826
Needs more blue parties (this is a joke there's too many)
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 No.224856

How are you voting in the council elections tomororw?
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 No.224858

>>224826
will be seething if:
a) Alba don't get in, or only one non-Salmond MSP gets in.
b) SNP get an ouright majority
c) Labour don't come ahead of the Conservatives

will be laughing if:
a) Sturgeon loses her seat to Sarwar
b) SNP+Green don't have a majority
c) Alba does better than 2 seats.
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 No.224860

>>224856
Are they all having one? I hadn't even thought about it
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 No.224872

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK,_1990%E2%80%93present)
Lamo someone defaced the Continuity SDP page so every election they compete in, they are compared to the Monster Raving Loony Party (a reference to being beaten by them in the bootle by election).
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 No.224885

>>224872
>The second incarnation of the Social Democratic Party, often referred to as "the continuing SDP", decided to dissolve itself after a disastrous result in the May 1990 Bootle by-election. However, a number of SDP activists met and voted to continue the party in defiance of the National Executive. The continuing group was led by Jack Holmes, who by polling fewer votes than the Official Monster Raving Loony Party at the Bootle by-election had caused the party's end. The much-reduced SDP decided to fight the 1991 Neath by-election. With Holmes serving as the party's election agent, the SDP candidate finished fifth with 5.3% of the vote—only 174 votes behind the fourth-placed Liberal Democrats
The suspense is killing me. Did they beat the MRLP or not?
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 No.224959

>>224826
Voting green and Alba
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 No.224992

File: 1620254270454.png (18.2 KB, 638x409, explain.png)

Explain this shit.
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 No.225002

File: 1620254578586.mp4 (2.54 MB, 1920x1080, Sphere Starmer.mp4)

>>224992
Labour is lead by this thing.
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 No.225027

File: 1620255279774.jpg (60.73 KB, 1280x720, you get what you fucking d….jpg)

>>224992
picrel
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 No.225633

>JVPITOR seizes Jersey before Xi seizes taiwan.
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 No.225906

>>224590
>100s of thousands
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 No.225937

>>224590
Yeah I was memeing, I know that lockdown has hit the more precious far harder than the rest of the labour force.
All I think is that that damage could have been avoided by a better response not no response and that the numbers suggest we would have been worse off.
It's also stupid to claim that all social control mechanisms are evil as these will still have to exist under socialism, especially for things like public health (as they did in the USSR). It's also not a very marxist point of view.
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 No.225945

>>224826
My only hope is Galloway gets a seat. Would also be nice to see labour destroyed.
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 No.225947

>>224590
>Replacing a group of grifters with one mega-grifter
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 No.225948

>>225947
Why contain it?
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 No.225979

Aren't even any fun parties to vote for in these local elections here like there was last time. Also the guy for the Green party used to be on Hollyoaks so can tell things are going well with them.
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 No.226012

I do hope you all voot today.
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 No.226024

File: 1620296918016.mp4 (9.63 MB, 480x714, Blackburn Scottish Tory Ca….mp4)

he VIBIN
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 No.226046

File: 1620297582480.mp4 (5.16 MB, 828x470, ud8-Z01EauTpcNxL.mp4)

Ilham Aliyev goes off on BBC reporter and speaks about Assange.
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 No.226071

>>226046
It is a joke that the BBC so critical of counties like Azerbaijan whilst the government does so much to support them.
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 No.226134

File: 1620300830978.png (322.22 KB, 398x459, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.226143

>>226024
Someone needs to edit this with the wide putin walking song
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 No.226150

>>226046
Fuck Aliyev man such a cunt
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 No.226218

File: 1620303321855.png (328.12 KB, 559x629, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.226232

File: 1620303586057-0.mp4 (1.77 MB, 1280x720, yHm9m2gP4XswdJm6.mp4)

File: 1620303586057-1.jpg (361.73 KB, 2048x1259, E0sTHdjXMAAjxQt.jpg)

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 No.226236

>>226218
isn't this how Alan B'stard became the next Cromwell in The New Statesman.
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 No.226262

File: 1620304441281.png (2.72 MB, 900x1200, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.226263

>>226262
Where do you think he ranked his brother?
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 No.226268

>>226262
Pot meet kettle
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 No.226271

>>226268
My massive cock meet ur gaping mouth
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 No.226277

>>226271
Sorry I don't fuck scabs
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 No.226283

>>226277
>>226277
>>226277
But ur mother does
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 No.226284

File: 1620305080199.jpg (49.37 KB, 650x794, 3-GettyImages-81773535.jpg)

>>226262
EXTRA, EXTRA
READ ALL ABOUT IT!
LABOUR M.P. IN "VOTE LABOUR" SHOCK!
EXTRA, EXTRA…
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 No.226288

>>226284
He's not a labour mp tho, and his brothers standing
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 No.226296

>>226288
are we really going to argue about whether an MP with Labour membership but without the Labour whip is a Labour MP or an Independent MP, tediously scouring wikipedia for precedents for and against, invariably winding up back in the 1970s where lefty chancers ran against a government that couldn't afford to lose them?

no. here's some homework for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwark_London_Borough_Council_elections#2014-2018
go find out if Corbyn endorsed Labour, or endorsed his brother in this byelection.
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 No.226299

>>226296
Id always vote for my brother. No matter what party I was in
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 No.226359

>>224826
>>224858
>>224959
Why do you not want SNP to win if your voting for another pro-independence party (Which is what this Alba party is from me quickly looking it up) and thus supposedly support independence?
Shouldn't you want the nationalist party to win and not split the voot when them winning would be a clear mandate for another referendum?
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 No.226366

>>226296
Tbh i do wonder what happens if he chooses to stand in 2024 again and is selected by his CLP. Would be pretty funny ngl.
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 No.226369

>>226359
Because the SNP are shitlibs anon.
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 No.226379

>>226369
Yeah but if you want independence and the only way to get that is via popular referendum alienating the party that the majority of people who also support independence support and splitting their voot base before an election just seems like borderline wrecker tier.
Like none of these parties are socialist anyway, If the primary contradiction you are seeking to address is Scottish independence then should it matter?

Not a Bong just my opinion.
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 No.226387

>>226359
You can want indipendance without wanting to vote for the Scotish Nazi Party.
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 No.226390

>>226359
I don't get a vote, but the SNP went from being a nice little party to Blairite vermin in 2016 so if I did get a vote it would be Labour 1, Alba 2.
Alba to boost independence, Labour in the hopes of fucking the egotistical SNP leadership up as badly as possible and showing them that do-nothing governments get do-nothing support at the ballot box.
Alba's theory (and to a lesser extent that of the greens) is that they can rig the Scottish voting system to over-represent independence support. The SNP will take the majority of the FPTP seats in Scotland, so the second votes for the PR list that the SNP gather will be wasted, because the purpose of those votes is to ensure proportionality, and the SNP already get their proportion on the FPTP seats. If SNP voters vote for Alba or for the Greens, those parties don't take FPTP seats.

(think of it this way: 10 FPTP seats, 10 list seats. If the vote is 45% SNP, 25% Labour, 20% Tory, 15% Green+Alba, if everyone votes the same on FPTP and list ballot papers then the result will be 10 SNP, 5 Labour, 4 Tory, 1 Green or so. If all the SNP voters vote Green+Alba instead, the result becomes 10 SNP, 7 Green+Alba, 2 Labour, 1 Tory or something.)

>>226379
The present SNP leadership and inner circle have less interest in actually delivering Scottish independence than Leninhat does. They enjoy being the comfortable governor generals of a devolved Scotland and have no stomach for the instability of a second referendum. Independence is already closer to 10 years away than to 5, the best opportunity since 2014 is already receding, the task now is to punish those responsible. It's only wrecker tier if you believe there's something to lose.
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 No.226400

>>226379
They aren't particularly interested in independence because they have Scottish politics totally stitched up. They did everything they could to get the Tories elected in England in 2019.
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 No.226487

>>226359
Have a look at albas manifesto the what they pay out if implemented would be the most radical democratisation in Europe and I would never vote snp never have never will
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 No.226491

>>226400
Oh please. 2019 election result was the fault of the Zionist media. If labour had taken a non unionist stance they would have not lost votes to the SNP and Alba probably wouldn’t exist
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 No.226498

>>226491
This is unironically anti-Semitic and not funny
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 No.226500

I need you all to understand that labour aren’t a working class party in the major cities of Scotland. SNP are the default working class party and the reasons given aren’t even for independence it’s because people don’t trust labour since Blair and have never trusted he Tories. The labour vote in Scotland is working class unionists but also generally the middle class which makes up most unionists.
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 No.226504

>>226498
Not sure if this is bait or just you
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 No.226508

>>226504
Calling the media, the "Zionist media" is anti-Semitic,stupid, unfunny.
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 No.226509

Shut it down
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 No.226525

>>226508
T.Keith
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 No.226530

>>226525
I always knew you were some kind of former /pol/yp. Disgusting.
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 No.226535

I'm gonna be iron like a lion in Zion
I'm gonna be iron like a lion in Zion
Iron lion Zion, iron lion Zion, iron lion Zion
Iron like a lion in Zion, iron like a lion in Zion
Iron like a lion in Zion, (iron lion Zion)
Iron like a lion in Zion
(Running like a fugitive) iron like a lion in Zion
(Iron lion Zion), iron like a lion in Zion
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 No.226537

>>226530
Shut your noise mate you’re boring
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 No.226538

Voted for the femboy lads **as the second choice so it doesn't technically count but still*
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 No.226541

>>226538
Traitor
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 No.226542

>>226537
Justify your comment, this kind of anti-semetisim is not funny and retarded.
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 No.226544

>>226542
Shut up jew boy
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 No.226548

"zionist" as a pejorative is something i find stylistically tedious but it's hard to imagine that the UK media is not pro-Israel.
(not as strongly as in the US where there's a bunch of nutters who think they need the third temple to make Jesus come back and zap Obama, obviously, but it's still firmly locked into that softly pro-NATO Pro-Israel pro-US kind of outlook.)
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 No.226549

>>226542
Justify my comment? Do you think Jeremy Corbyn was an anti semite?
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 No.226552

>>226549
No, but he never said "Zionist media", which is a deeply retarded and anti-semetic comment which misunderstands how power works.
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 No.226554

>>226548
He didn't say "the media generally promotes zionist viewpoints". He called it "the zionist media" and blamed left failures on it. This is anti-semetic as it implies the media is controlled by zionists.(We know what that means)
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 No.226556

File: 1620310121165.jpg (77.29 KB, 933x1290, hmmmm.jpg)

>>226554
>This is anti-semetic as it implies the media is controlled by zionists
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 No.226559

>>226554
The problem with a people nearly being deliberately exterminated is that for the rest of history they're condemned to hear the wind as though it's a dogwhistle and dogwhistles as though they're foghorns.
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 No.226596

i mean i say that jokingly but i also fully mean it (for jewish people at least, "allies" can fuck off and get in the bin) you see a lot of things where you can see why someone thinks it's a dogwhistle, but you can also see why it's innocent, or even fair comment. and there's just no way to reconcile it. there's no appropriate way to tell the jewish person not to read so much into a fair comment, and there's no appropriate way to tell the non-jewish person to moderate their fair comment because jewish people don't like it, so you're just condemned to this kind of nightmare where you can't call the Telegraph a zionist paper for an editorial about how Israel should bulldoze Ramallah into the sea because someone will see it as a coded reference to the Telegraph being owned by the Barclay Brothers, a reference to the common anti-Semitic trope of the Jewish banker via Barclays Everyday Saver 0.01% APR account, and they've got things to do and you've got things to do so you can't even really take the time to explain to them that the Barclay brothers don't seem to be Jewish and have nothing to do with Barclays bank because right as you do this, right now, they'll be arguing with someone else arguing it's not anti-semitic to quote from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in a post with that stupid "isn't it weird how Jews get kicked out of every country?" timeline, so of course they've got no reason to listen to you talking about portly press proprietors.
(the word zionist is actually a bad example here, a far better example is when some people hear "banker" in the same light, even though most bankers are white. a few people do this in bad faith, but some people are just so fucking used to "jewish banker, jewish banker, jewish banker" that they're obviously no going to take the time to notice you're a jewish socialist yourself and you hate all bankers for being fucking bankers.)

it's just one of those things where you can't win, not in the ordinary kind of way where you could win if you applied enough force, but just a massive, massive, insurmountable gulf of perspective where the only winning move is not to play at all. there is nothing i hate quite like it. it is not uncommon for me to find that it is simply impossible for me to show someone the world as i see it, but the worst thing in the world is to be unable, in good faith, to believe that the other person is being malicious or stupid for not seeing it. it is terrible, just terrible.
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 No.226662

>>226218
Out of the loop on this. What exactly are they protesting?
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 No.226670

>>226662
The french are doing a kinda blockade because of fishing rights.
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 No.226679

>>226491
If Labour took a non-unionist stance they'd lose many of their English and Welsh votes, no?
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 No.226682

>>226679
Yep, Sagetard is deeply retarded.
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 No.226688

>>226670
Are the french banned from fishing in British waters?
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 No.226692

>>226688
Well yeah our water, our fisheman. Otherwise, we'd have Australian ships stealing our cod.
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 No.226705

File: 1620312694450.png (39.86 KB, 650x526, ClipboardImage.png)

>>226688
The rub is that the islands are very close to France and the French have been fishing there for quite a while, which they say gives them rights to fish there because apparently fishing territory is different
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 No.226720

Can't wait to wake up to the labour bloodbath tomorrow. Blairite screeching, cope and tears.
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 No.226739

>>226720
Their cope is Corbyn technically lost it in 2019 because Tory and BXP combined could have won it, even though BXP was only a thing because of Starmer.
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 No.226791

>>226720
Who should I vote for?
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 No.226803

>>226791
English Democrats, but only if you are English and like democracy
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 No.226808

>>226679
Why most English people I speak to think Scotland should be able to leave if they want. Labour aren’t getting frothing at the mouth Tory votes anyways
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 No.226812

>>226803
Don't think they're running where I'm at. So far I'm split between Greens, TUSC, or some independent. Yet I also feel guilty about the fact that I'll be helping the Tories win by not voting Labour. Even if Labour are shit and don't deserve support.
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 No.226817

>>226808
You are literally beyond retarded.
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 No.226818

In fact I’m pretty sure sturgeon has consistently done better for like ability and such in England than any English politician, mind a few years back there was that “wish I could vote SNP in England” thing
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 No.226819

>>226812
Vote TUSC, and labour has to loose to get rid of Starmer, better now than at the next general
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 No.226821

>>226817
Yeh but it’s you whose saying it so I’ll take it as a compliment
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 No.226823

>>226818
Literally like talking to a baby
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 No.226828

>>226817
wouldn't that just circle back to being not retarded if the plane is a sphere. (can a plane be a sphere? has anyone asked keir?)
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 No.226830

>>226823
Acorn ML> you. Say hi to Keith for me at the cry-in when labour lose. Tell him “it was Israel wot done it” from me
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 No.226832

On my way to vote now, like most people in Scotland, I’ll be voting for pro independence parties. Feels good.
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 No.226834

File: 1620314885069.jpg (404.2 KB, 1200x1200, william-shakespeare-194895….jpg)

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 No.226842

>>226834
>labour elections are literally the only thing that matters
>can’t wait till labour lose
This is you, voting for the zionists who purged Corbyn. Revolting.
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 No.226851

>>226842
I've never voted in a non-labour party election. (No Cap)
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 No.226861

>>226812
Vote TUSC, Greens don't present any mandate for an alternative society other than green capitalism
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 No.226862

>>226851
So you didn’t vote for Corbyn
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 No.226868

>>226862
Nah mines a safe seat, so voting is typically a larp. I don't even think I'm registered.

I've only ever voted in internal labor elections.
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 No.226869

>>226868
You are actually a disgrace
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 No.226897

There’s a labour van driving around the polling station playing “things can only get better” the fucking meme world lmao
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 No.226906

>>226812
Vote Tusk tbh.
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 No.226910

File: 1620316831976.mp4 (2.17 MB, 434x360, Risitas Laughs (360p_30fps….mp4)

>>226897
i can't imagine anything more likely to bring Scottish voters back to Labour than to remind them of the Blair years.
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 No.226917

>>226808
I don't know, I think I'd need to see some stats on that one
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 No.226929

>>226828
>can a plane be a sphere?
No
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 No.226967

>>226929
Only if you contain yourself to booj Euclidean geometry
Take the hyperbolic and elliptical pill lad
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 No.226984

>>225906
That's how big the London protest was.
>>225937
I would not lock down a society even under a total proletarian dictatorship.
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 No.226987

>>226812
Good lord, your v00t isn't going to 'let someone in'. It's one vote. Actually picking a party only matters if your going to get involved and attempt to influence others to vote for them. Literally noone will care about your vote for you but you so pick the option to clear your conscience.

Green near me turned out to be bank manager and the queue is apparently an hour long. Think i'll be fucking it off.
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 No.227012

>>226869
Lmao more moralist flim flam, why would you bother voting in a safe seat
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 No.227347

>>226984
Even if the conditions demanded it, such as an ebola level disease or something like that?
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 No.227442

File: 1620330195806.png (643.18 KB, 2048x1544, Screenshot_20210506-203845.png)

Anyone heard anything to back this up?
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 No.227465

>>227442
Sounds contrary to everything that’s previously been said
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 No.227468

>>227442
Peston has the Tories hands up his shithole so this is probably the Tories just saying it to get more votes out.
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 No.227502

File: 1620333101732.png (30.11 KB, 581x264, ClipboardImage.png)

>>227442
He deleted it?
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 No.227517

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 No.227540

Hat man how do you feel about the fact that because of covid there are no exit polls this year
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 No.227544

>>227540
The mad hatter
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 No.227547

Reports of Low Turnout in LANDAN, might mean some meme candidates do well lol.
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 No.227565

>>227547
NIP to take London confirmed?!
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 No.227569

Should Labour be destroyed?
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 No.227573

File: 1620335987776.png (348.1 KB, 746x760, ClipboardImage.png)

These are the councils we are getting tonight also Hartlepool should declare about 3am.
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 No.227574

>>227573
>REDDITch
hahaha fucking LOSERS
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 No.227575

>>227574
Confirmed for most soy area in all of the U.K. and possibly Europe (but not the world because America is the most soy place on earth by default)
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 No.227584

File: 1620336852264-0.png (285.31 KB, 504x750, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1620336852264-1.png (13.4 KB, 102x104, ClipboardImage.png)

Papa Smurf lookin constituency
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 No.227686

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 No.227762

OK follow this, right:

If you accept the LTV and have divorced yourself from marginalism, then you accept that increased demand can decrease commodity value.
This is due to increasing effiency of supply chains and production lines as a commodity is produced in increasing number.
Now that increase in effiency could be offset by scarcity of a primary resource, where increasing demand could cause labour invested per unit, and thus price to go up.
Think of a massive demand in copper spiking demand so less viable mines get opened and thus labour expenditure per unit goes up, for example.
So what this gives us, for each commidity, is a function of labour value mapped against demand. For most commidities it'll look like a high start of no demand, followed by a deep value of effiency, followed by a peak strain on primary resources toward infinity.
Logically, the more technical and thus specialised a commidity is, the more likely it is to be in valley of effiency, since it's demand will not be taxing the resources shared across more hungry commidities AND if it's small it'll still have allot of efficency left to gain.
These specialised commidities are deep into the supply chain, with many high labour value inputs and outputs, thus they the highest margins for capitalists.
Since the UK economy adopted monetarism, margin rules all, and these have become the lynchpins of the modern economy.
Now if you were to cut a slice of the UK out, these industries would regress along the labour function curve, simply the due to total market demand dropping, even if it did not drop proportionally.
The only way to maintain a high margin economy is through trade, and aquiring low margin commidities on the international market.
Since the slice's high margin industries would lose competitiveness, the slice would lose the capital to trade and therfore lose wealth.
The only way to maintain wealth would be to expand it's intenal market and thus demand.
If would have to open itself up to a larger market bloc and specialise it's industries, simply to advance along the labour curves enough to be tradabley effiecent.
Ergo, if Scotland left the UK it would get accept any demand of EU to join, in order to hyper specialise it's economy, in order to maintain capatalist margins, in order to suck the wealth it needs from the third world to maintain it's elite's standard of living.

QED Scottish Nationalism is pure booj
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 No.227904

File: 1620345571163.png (31.88 KB, 589x536, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.227950

>>227904
Starmer gets deselected after losing next GE, and we get another useless centrist milquetoast/Blarite, repeat until fascism.
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 No.227955

>>227904
At least we didn't lose votes to the LibDems!
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 No.227967

>>227904
Ded
>>227950
Stella Creasy 50-1
Tempted
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 No.227968

>>227967
>Stella Creasy
but unironically
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 No.227974

File: 1620346765853.png (1005.45 KB, 1024x585, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.227975

>>227968
>labour and co-op
unlikely
>>227974
literally who
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 No.227981

>>227975
You don't know Jess Phillips? Proper bitch lol. Heard a few people say she's planning a challenge.
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 No.227982

File: 1620346968615.jpg (40.02 KB, 433x500, wouldntmindseeinghercrease.jpg)

>>227968
She's up to something
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 No.227987

>>227982
7/10 would bang
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 No.228002

>>227987
Exactly the attitude that will guide her to a disastrous spell as labour leader
Fuck it im putting a tenner on her tommorow
>>227974
Think you have to make a pretense at the left of the party if you want to topple the Sphere. She's dead in the water.
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 No.228006

>>228002
there's such a thing as making a shitposty joke on an imageboard you humourless fuck
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 No.228022

>>228006
K Jess
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 No.228026

>>228002
>Think you have to make a pretense at the left of the party if you want to topple the Sphere. She's dead in the water.
Maybe not, as the nominations are decided by PLP and if nobody else can get nominated are the left seriously going to give critical support for Keir Starmer in his struggle against Jess the bitch?
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 No.228028

File: 1620348355598.png (13.83 KB, 408x109, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.228030

>>228026
>as the nominations are decided by PLP
What happened to the McDonald changes? Can't remember if they went through tbh. Thought someone vaguely(pretend) left would sneak the ballot under them.
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 No.228034

>>228030
>McDonald
McDonnell fuck me it's too late
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 No.228040

>>228030
>>228034
I don't know what rule you're referring to so I imagine it was another failed reform. McDonnell got Corbyn's initial nominations by basically begging a bunch of rightoids who thought it would be a good laugh.
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 No.228051

>>228040
It was some shit like cutting the plp % nominations down and upping the required union nominations.
Tried googling it but got some shit about air traffic managment. ~75% sure it went through.
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 No.228055

>>228051
Oh, maybe it did then. But I don't think the SCG meet the % anyway lol, I'm pretty sure of that.
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 No.228082

>>228055
From what i remember it takes it all the way down to 5%, not that it does much good with people like Lloyd Russell-Moyle "for the landlord and the tennant" members of the scs now. Shit ay what it used to be.
Thinking about it that might be why they didn't break from labour when Corbyn got the whip withdrawn. Probably being to generous tho.
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 No.228110

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 No.228213

File: 1620355280174.png (22.95 KB, 583x148, ClipboardImage.png)

Saudi Paul has fucked it
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 No.228218

File: 1620355620246.png (1.82 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.228227

File: 1620355883383.png (584.42 KB, 1334x750, E0v2N18XsAE0MNu.png)

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 No.228232

>>228218
>>228227
Starmer is probably ecstatic at these results, he won't be satisfied until Labour is polling 5% and the Lib Dems take over as the opposition party
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 No.228246

>>228232
Critical support
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 No.228297

>>228232
He’s a Tory plant, has to be.
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 No.228315

>>228297
He's from the intelligence services and he's here to put Labour back in its box
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 No.228354

I swear they better not blame the soft left for this again…
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 No.228390

File: 1620360757129.png (396.64 KB, 1334x750, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.228450

Starmer's done for lol.
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 No.228634

What happened in Scotland?
Who won the most seats?
Did SNP-Alba-Greens have more of a net gain or tories?
How badly did labour fuck up?

not a bong so i dont have your news
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 No.228670

File: 1620371539293.png (535.93 KB, 2048x1290, 1620371530325.png)

Radio silence from Labour

>>228634
Results for Scotland are not out yet, think they'll start being announced later today. Polling shows it'll probably be a SNP-GRN coalition again.
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 No.228672

Starmer allies in the media already claiming elections problems due to residual damage on Labour's standing with the working class due to Corbyn's leadership, Peake's scandal ridden anti-semetic conspiracy theories getting excessive play, Corbyn faction attacks on party unity, and BJ's vaccine bounce. Is this true? I thought Corbyn was fairly personable, and thought there were a few lines of attack against Tory on missteps taken during the pandemic. Also, I can't find any report in which Peake was spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories although she seems to be getting blasted for mentioning IDF tactics in Palestine… I don't think it's anti-Semitic to criticize Israeli policy towards Palestine though is it?
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 No.228687

>>228670
What happened with the English-Welsh local council elections and the election to replace the MP that dieded?
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 No.228693

>>228672
Well it's not like they were going to admit that Starmer is a massive incompetent twat.
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 No.228696

>>228687
>local council elections
Starmer did jack shit in terms of leadership, so LAB take yet more losses
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 No.228697

>>228687
So the English council elections are slowly coming out, will be a few days before all are counted. So far labours lost a few councils, not looking good for them. Welsh election results not out yet like the Scottish.

As for the by-election to replace the MP, Labour got absolutely fucked and the conservatives surged massively. Labour has held that seat since 1974, so they're currently in crisis mode.
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 No.228704

>>228697
Starmer planned this. Is it possible to be this incompetent unintentionally.
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 No.228709

>>227968
She is really hated by other labour mps.
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 No.228710

>>228704
In all seriousness, I don't think Starmer exactly planned for Labour to take a huge L and be massacred at the polls, I think if Labour could win elections he would like that, but clearly he has higher objectives than winning elections, like consolidating the Blairite hold on the party and strangling any left wing sentiment in the UK. I'm sure Starmer would happily be PM, but it's not his main goal.
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 No.228715

>>228710
and thus we circle back to him being a double agent
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 No.228717

OH NO NO NO
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 No.228719

File: 1620373776378.png (58.5 KB, 727x644, ClipboardImage.png)

Also, a quick reminder for everyone to laugh at NIP, who came 8th with less than 1% of the vote despite alll the media coverage they got.
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 No.228721

>>228719
:( can't believe they even lost to Stewart Lee
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 No.228722

>>228710
Corbyn will rule labour once more, inshallah
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 No.228723

>>228722
pretty sure anyone left of Blair is permenantly locked out
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 No.228725

>>228723
nah with how the nomination rules work there will always be 1 left candidate.
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 No.228726

>>228719
why the fuck did the tories increase by +23%? why did labour decrease by -9%? what is this shit
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 No.228727

>>228726
They are doing similar numbers in local council elections. LABOUR ARE TOAST
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 No.228728

>>228725
strictly for show
>>228726
I say again, Starmer is a double agent
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 No.228730

>>228728
What the fuck do you mean "for show".
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 No.228732

File: 1620374286650.png (197.58 KB, 750x237, Starmer 1940.png)

>>228726
labour has a leader who has failed to land a single blow on a government corrupt enough to make mobutu's zaire look like new zealand and which has been more successful at killing british citizens than the luftwaffe. compounding their problem they stood a remainer in a leave seat.
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 No.228734

>>228730
to say "see labour is a left wing party" before selecting another centrist
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 No.228738

>>228734
Members vote on it m8, it's a campaign. Why would the left candidate not want to win.
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 No.228741

>>228738
it's not that they don't want to, it's that they'll be rigged to the sidelines
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 No.228742

>>228738
Why would Bernie not want to win? Just because someone is in the election doesn't mean they have a fair chance or that the party are not stacking the deck to get the candidate they want
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 No.228744

>>228741
>>228742
This applies to any left candidate in any election.
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 No.228746

>>228744
…yes, that's right. And the reason why commies and leftists are allowed to run for general election in the UK is that the bourgeoisie knows they can never win and they provide an escape valve for left-wing dissent.
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 No.228747

>>228734
tbf part of the problem there is that most left candidates just aren't very good.
this is even true of corbyn, although he was a wildcard at the time because he was (a) actually a skilled organizer and campaigner, even if not a particularly skilled leader. (b) promising something relatively new and unexplored.

it is difficult to see any left candidate being able to replicate that success. the centrists are a gang of mediocrity, but there's like 150+ of them so they'll always be able to dig out a name you haven't heard of or had time to learn to hate. by contrast there's like 6 left wingers left and it's apparent none of them is a future prime minister in waiting.
perhaps McDonnell will stand on a platform of skipping on elections in favour of a protracted people's war.
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 No.228748

>>228747
Yeah, I agree most labour left mps are pretty weak. Richard Burgeon is actually a suprisingly good speaker and good with people. Only problem being he looks like a goober
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 No.228749

>>228747
I see no path to power for any even social democrat to power in the UK. Even centrist's chances look unlikely, it seems as if Tory dominance will go on forever while the country dies. Maybe things will be better once more of the older generation dies, I don't know.
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 No.228753

Listening to the Tory Harleopool saying the people voted for change. WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT YOU'VE BEEN IN GOVERMENT FOR 11 YEARS
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 No.228754

I'm trying vibe on Starmer's loss but honestly Torys just make me fucking seethe.
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 No.228756

>>228749
conservatism is the cancer that will kill this country. slowly but surely rotting it from the inside out
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 No.228763

>>228754
Yeah I can't really enjoy this at all. Nothing about UK politics is funny anymore. That's why I try to avoid it at all times.
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 No.228766

>>228763
to be honest, I feel like i'm more invested in American politics nowadays, it's all depression fuel over here no matter where you look
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 No.228770

>>228766
American politics is just as blackpilling.
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 No.228773

>>228766
how in the fuck does that make you happy

at least you guys have funny accents, the US literally has no future
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 No.228774

>>228753
When our (Aus) incumbent tory PM won reelection last time he unironically said "The Australian people stood up!"

>>228749
This is basically what happened in Aus. Our Neoliberal Labor party is so unbelivably atrophied and a shell of its former self i've begun to think that our only option may be actual accelerationism and hoping that we just live through the tory dictatorship to come.
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 No.228782

>>228773
…happy? fam, it's a distraction. it's something other than the firing squad of blackpills over here
>funny accents
you clearly haven't met the EDL
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 No.228786

>>228766
I've definitely paid more attention to AmeriKKKa than here for years now, even though their politics are not exactly uplifting, at least it's more amusing.

>>228773
Mate, you might think that the US is going downhill, and you're right, but the UK is already dead. We have no industry and no hope for the future, at least in America there are still some actual patriots (retarded as they might be) that want America to succeed, over here literally everyone is just a vulture picking on a corpse and trying to accumulate as much as they can out of the misery.

>>228774
Yeah. It's shit. There's no real hope for reform and none for revolution, just pure shit. Our best bet is to just try to become opportunists and somehow survive in this shitpile.
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 No.228796

File: 1620375786161.png (838.18 KB, 976x850, ClipboardImage.png)

Lloyd landlord Moyle is saying Kier Starmer should be more like Joe BIden. Focusing less on "being an empire tribute act" and more like the 2012 olympics.
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 No.228798

>>228796
>Keir starmer (A person) should be more like the 2012 olympics (a sporting event that exists in the realm of ideal, concept)
It's just empty fucking ghoul noise coping for why their chosen one is falling and flailing.
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 No.228803

>>228786
the UK is a zombie, a grotestque, rotten, shambling abomination.
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 No.228806

>>228803
Whereas England is a sleeping giant.
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 No.228809

>>228806
what. how.
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 No.228817

Obviously this thread isn't about Australian politics but considering we inherited a lot of the ills of the BritBong political system i feel like getting this off my chest.

I remember after the last federal election here which Labor managed to lose despite thinking it was literally "unlosable" the news went to a Labour seat that flipped to the Liberals and began interviewing Labor vooters who vooted Liberal instead that year. and all their careers were literally.
>Retiree (Owns an investment property)
>Graphic designer.
>LIFESTYLE COACH AND "SIDE-HUSTLE PLANNER" WHATEVER THE FLYING FUCK THAT MEANS.
And it hit me.
Labor through it's NeoLiberal turn basically sold the 50%+1 of the country that was loyal to the last to them in exchange for "this" literal landlords, PMC and actual con-artists and make work retards being payed by daddy.
But now as more and more of these people hit 40 they just turn into these hyperreactioary neoboomers not wanting to take the hit of Labors 0.1% rise in the Capital gains tax or something and Labors little electoral coalition starts collapsing.

I genuinely think there is a chance we may never see a Labor/Labour majority government in the UK or Aus ever again because they literally just no longer have the support of the average prole even in the "lesser evil" sense
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 No.228820

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 No.228823

>>228817
This is what I was thinking. The class coalition created in the 90's/2000's you can't reconstruct.
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 No.228825

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 No.228826

>>228817
Tbh it did occur to me that british politics was Australianising: permanent tory rule, where internal leadership fights within the governing party are what change the leadership of the country, rather than the elected opposition.
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 No.228828

>>228817
>bob hawke literally fucking dies during the campaign although the "oh, well labour will win now" effect might've pre-empted people not actually doing that, just as the terror attacks didn't hurt Corbyn in Britain's 2017 election.
>people still vote libs
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 No.228831

>>228820
We need a webm of this and the Hyperborea version of Somebody I Used to Know.
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 No.228834

>>228828
so a conservative oligarchy pretending to be a democracy
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 No.228841

File: 1620377299167.png (66.9 KB, 890x370, ClipboardImage.png)

Cummings nails it.
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 No.228845

File: 1620377499301.png (2.7 MB, 1600x1066, ClipboardImage.png)

Watching the local council results and they are loosing everywhere.
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 No.228846

>>228817
Neoliberalism is the natural state for late capitalism

soc-dem will not happen again
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 No.228847

>>228828
tbh Hawke was basically always coles brand Whitlam and was more or less a phony who used his whole mateish sorta attitude to quitely blairify the entire economy and Labor party / Trade union apparatus out from under everyones feet without them noticing thus why Labor basically managed to keep together its coalition of actual proles and urban PMC's who if Lib-Nats in the 90's weren't basically what O.N is Now would have been voting for the libs anyway.

So him dying and them getting like a week of positive PR no matter what would probably not have given them the bump they needed to get over the finish line.
It wasn't the same as if Whitlam for instance decided to have the good sense to drop dead during an election is what i mean.
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 No.228862

burger here
how "for good" is labor kill for good now
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 No.228863

>Most UPBOATED YouTube comment on the Byelection.
<Conservatives : Let's talk about local issues that affect working people, Lets Honour the Brexit referendum, Let's do a superb job with the vaccination program and fighting the china Virus.
<Labour : BUT MUH BORIS'S FLAT BUT MUH PILES OF BODIES!
>BUT MUH PILES OF BODIES
>PILES OF BODIES.
Literally "Let's kill everyone" t. Bojo
>Con+2

Boris is going to be fucking PM for 20 years until his heart explodes, He will be remembered just like thatcher as like "the greatest politician of a generation" and these people luv it
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 No.228867

>>228862
They lost a seat that they haven't lost since HAROLD WILSON. And generally got fucked over or stayed stagnant in the local council elections and probably will have as well in scotland when their final tallies release.

to put it in context this is basically like if a Democratic presidential contender somehow lost Vermont or Minnesota or something equivalent to that, Something has gone catastrophically wrong.
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 No.228870

>>228862
is ded, they are loosing everywhere.
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 No.228872

>>228863
Tbf I kinda agree with the comment. If one side is pushing an actual positive argument and your retort is uh uh uh some political insider shit about who payed for wallpaper and a supposed behind the scene quote.

You are gonna loose
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 No.228883

>>228870
>>228867
in your opinions, good or bad?
from the outside it seems like the neoliberal rot of the party has made it so even getting concessions for the working class isn't really a possibility anymore, so having the party just eat a massive bowl of shit doesn't seem that awful
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 No.228885

>>228883
it means conservative oligarchy pretending to be a democracy, which in turn means a slow and painful death for the UK
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 No.228886

>>228885
>Slow
Just you wait for the Scottish results lad. THings are about to get very fast.
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 No.228888

>>228885
would that have been significantly different under a neoliberal labour that was electorally effective enough to suppress popular anger?
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 No.228890

>>228888
pick your poison. everybody fucking dies either way.
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 No.228894

File: 1620379593603.png (485.9 KB, 640x641, ClipboardImage.png)

>>228883
Yeah pretty much. FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER
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 No.228900

>>228894
at this point, the blackpill wraps around. If the country is to burn, I shall roast a marshmallow on it
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 No.228910

>>228900
>>228894
This tbh, this summer is one of discontent: if the Bill passes civil democracy is basically over. Do or die, probably die: but at-least it will be glorious.
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 No.228928

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 No.228932

>>228872
That's true but a superb job with the virus is completely deluded
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 No.228938

>>228932
Torys doing a superb job with the virus is labours line lmao
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 No.228941

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 No.228968

>>228910
>if the Bill passes
non-bong here, what bill
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 No.228992

>>228968
you can get thrown in the clink for being a nuisance, is the essence of it
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 No.228993

>>228817
I think you've hit the nail on the head. All these "lifelong Labour voter" boomers that loved Blairism are the people that took trade unionism out back and shot it during the Thatcher years, and now they don't want their house prices fucking with by giving the entitled wastelings that pay their pension somewhere to live.
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 No.228999

>>228993
by the time enough boomers have shuffled off to make a difference, the country will be fucked beyond repair
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 No.229000

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 No.229009

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>>228886
>>228894
>>228928
HAHAHA… YES! YES!!!!
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 No.229021

>>228999
The left needs to cure their liberalism brains and stop chasing democratic consensus with a bunch of property owning kulaks. We will never win an election, the democratic system is a farce even by bourgeois standards with a sheepdog opposition infested by secret networks run by lords, glowies and middle class twerps.
The young, working poor and tenants are the logical demographic we should be appealing to and we should be mobilising them as opposition in the streets, violently opposing any attempting suppression by the state be it by kettling or "declaring a nuisance".
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 No.229027

>>228938
Yeah they really didn't want to take that free shot when it was all lined up for them.
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 No.229042

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 No.229048

I hope you all realise talking all these doom pills that if we want a left to succeed we are starting from scratch. Nobody is coming to help. No daddy Corbyn, no coup of the Labour Party. The U.K. needs a mass movement of organised communists who actually know how to organise and are prepared to do so. We must attack on every front possible, and shake whatever we can loose. That means, while we build an organised mass movement, we must also break down the U.K. as it is, break it into pieces. Scotland and Ireland at the very least and maybe also Wales needs to leave. The 1000 year Tory reich must fail in this regard before it gets started. It is time for upheaval. The timid and cowardly will bleat about maintaining the status quo we’ve had for literally 100 years. Continue to make the same mistakes the communist party has made for this whole time. Labour is degenerated entirely from when lenin wrote about it. It is finished as a party. “Oooh it’s the party of organised labour” it isn’t, and what organised labour there is is cucked.

Time to get with the times. Acorn ML, National balkanisation, or death.
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 No.229052

Extremely funny that the Tories got over 50% of the vote so they can't even trot out the "split the vote" line.
Still saw a family friend saying they're "still a big fan of Starmer" which I cannot understand. He's such a non-entity I don't understand what even a centrist would see in him.
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 No.229058

>>229048
Balkanisation is necessary to contain the spread of Toryism, if nothing else. I can see Scotland breaking off, NI is also a possibility if they can push for a referendum. Revolutionary defeatism.
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 No.229060

>>229048
The only thing I would change about this is making it explicitly communist because we lack the starting numbers and I would say we're pressed for time, and breaking apart the UK and Establishment doesn't inherently require communists. For example challenging British democracy with a mass pro-democracy movement would have much larger draw, damage the governments credibility, and will drag everyone from Greens to Kippers in from the beginning.
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 No.229064

>>229048
>Before we acheive socialism, we must divide up into blocks so small that they cannot possibly survive the inevitable military and economic intervention that will come there way. Small enough carve up fixed infrastructure and erase the only only advantage the UK has: it's fixed capital. Small enough to ensure they can't maintain specialised industries and must rely trade, spreading them eagle for international markets.

Balkanisation is the ultimate doom pill. It's the acceptance that socialism won't happen, so might as well fuck with the status qou for the lolz. It taking root is only a sign of the shattered confidence of the left, now backing ideas that will achieve nothing, just for want of knowing what else to do.
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 No.229067

>>229048
how long before it's co-opted by neolib europhile luvvies, tho?
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 No.229069

>>229064
Do you really think a revolution will be viable in the next two decades? We need to shift the status quo by any means.
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 No.229072

>>229064
>It's the acceptance that socialism won't happen
So it's a serious appraisal of the situation in the UK?
I suspect whether you think Balkanisation will bear fruit is correlated to how much influence you perceive the intelligence services to have on democracy, if it's high then it makes sense to keep them in a London cordon sanitaire. inb4 Lenin Hat joins the thread at this exact moment
>>229067
Honestly I would be more relaxed allying with someone like Cummings than the Europhiles, who seem to think the whole planet revolves around Brexit and anything anyone does should involve it.
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 No.229073

>>229064
The only left in this country are directionless protests that are being ignored, and some anarchists who've gone innawoods. anything, anything at all to dislodge the status quo is beneficial
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 No.229075

>>229064
Yes, it is the acceptance that socialism won’t happen given the current configurations of the anti capitalist left and the dogma that has guided them all this time. It is time you learned to accept, admit defeat and adapt to change, instead of doing the same thing over and over and wondering why you get nowhere. It’s not a doom pill, it’s exactly the opposite, it’s a strategy for change. If you think the rest of the U.K. is going to invade Scotland for not privatising its health service you need a reality check.

>>229060
Willing to wiggle on this point. If not communists hard left social democrats at least. Honestly the Alba manifesto is close to the ideal model of a left program that can win.

>>229067
The EU is literally so unimportant it’s not even funny. We are either burgerbloc or krautbloc there is literally no difference
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 No.229084

>>229075
I think a left leaning Scotland or Ireland is more likely, let England be the sump where all the brainwashed and rightoids drain into
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 No.229086

>>229048
lmao ur so stupid
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 No.229096

>>229075
>Willing to wiggle on this point. If not communists hard left social democrats at least.
I was thinking more something like XR, but not cucked in tactics, working towards REAL Democracy™, demanding things like PR, direct democracy, basically shitting on the UK as antidemocratic, but instead of it coming across as bitching because we can't win, the whole platform is actually about expanding democracy.
Basically FPTP or the UK has to be dismantled and this sort of platform seems like the fastest to roll out that can result in either. Also we get to goad thousands of people into larping as the western fixation of pro-democracy demonstrators.
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 No.229098

>>229096
great, another ER tier social movement that the government will ignore and will b e drowned out by Tory drones
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 No.229103

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 No.229108

>>229096
Retarded. One XR can't work as a model because social movements that are not higly hierarchal are too easly infiltrated.

Two. Nobody gives a fuck about democracy or democratic reforms

Three. Uk cannot be """dismantled""".

Four. Even without FPTP European governments consistently return centre-centre right goverments

Five. You can't """roll out""" any of these platforms.
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 No.229110

>>229098
The government ignores all these shit movements because they're all ideologically committed to pacifism and come up with insane logic like "filling the jails with our supporters is how we win".
What I'm suggesting is a mass movement against FPTP, except without the electoralist and pacifist obsession. You can frame it as anti-establishment, anti-LibLabCon, anti-anything. It can be anything to anyone.
>>229108
Okay Labour member
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 No.229111

>>229103
Obviously i say this in joke but what would be the next general election result if they can Starmer and actually did this? (Put tony blair back in leadership)
Would the Labour party like have to dissolve after losing every single seat or something?
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 No.229114

>>229110
WOAH CAN'T WAIT TO GET ARRESTED FOR AN ELECTORAL REFORM, WHICH WON'T GET US ANY CLOSER TO SOCALISM.
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 No.229115

>>229114
Another instance of the resident retard being incapable of reading
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 No.229120

>>229111
I hope they fucking do it. I'm sick to fucking death of hearing these cunts whine about how Blair won.
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 No.229121

>>229115
>Non pacifism
>For PR

Glow more
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 No.229124

>>229121
Go give some more money to your pals at Mossad
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 No.229127

>>229124
>Can't defend his retarded platform


Cope and Seethe
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 No.229130

>>229069
>>229073
>>229072
Like i said. This just comes from a collapse of faith in achievability of socialism. It's doing stuff for the sake it.
The fact that balklanisation runs directly contrary to the ability of a socialist to Britain to survive is irrelelvent if you've give up on left wing politcs and become a nat.
I mean what's even the plan here?
1) Upset the status quo
2)???
3)More ???
This shit has no marxist goal nor any concievable way of acheiving said non-existant goal. It's just break up and hope.
>>229075
>If you think the rest of the U.K. is going to invade Scotland for not privatising its health service you need a reality check.
O i'm laffin lad. Capital doesn't do direct invasion where it doesn't need too.
You better believe UK, US, & EU will poring money into every crevice of of the Scottish politcal system tho and finding it's way into the back hands of the minister handing out health contracts and writing health bills. You better believe it'll be in the media telling Scots what to think and how to vote, and keeping anything genuinely threatening away from power. Kind of like it does now!
And if you don't think the UK wouldn't intervene if Scotland got uppitty you're dreaming. Just pulling contracts, taking it to international courts, freezing financing etc. This shit would never get close to even needing a coup never mind an invasion.
Absolutely would get couped if it ever got that far though. Throwing out years of interventionist history at your peril.
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 No.229132

>>229108
TUSC ?
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 No.229145

>>229127
I'm putting in as much effort responding to you as you do with everyone else
>>229130
>Like i said. This just comes from a collapse of faith in achievability of socialism.
I don't think it's achievable in the UK. I was of the opinion even if Corbyn won he'd be Whitlam'd or killed. Apparently 60 MPs threatened to defect when they were locked in as candidates in 2019, that's how rotten the "fastest route to socialism" is. Trade unions have no free will, every activist group is infiltrated, the political system is a choice between the current dominating faction of the Tory old boy network or the neoliberals entrenched in the Labour party HQ. This is a country totally dominated by the ruling class, its establishment is a malignant tumour on the planet and its a failure of the population that the aristocrats and their friends weren't liquidated during the European revolutions. The only thing the continued existence of the UK serves to do is further entrench these inbred parasites.
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 No.229153

>>229130
>I mean what's even the plan here?
<Con/Lab are actively destroying the lives of so many in the country
<At least two countries can escape their grip
<Loss of Wales/Scot ends Labours chances in England, potential for new party to fill in
<Socialist movements can build whilst the bou from the three countries are too busy squabbling with each other
I'll admit it its not got great prospects for England but at least the others will no longer have a centuries old establishment squashing them.
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 No.229154

>>229145
Balkanising may at least isolate the tumour somewhat
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 No.229158

ideology idea: Glowcialism
basically it's Soviet style socialism domestically, but we keep MI5 as our KGB and engage in NATO style imperialism purely for fun.
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 No.229163

>>229145
>I'm putting in as much effort responding to you as you do with everyone else

I put as much though thinking up my replys as you do into your retarded political strategy
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 No.229175

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lol
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 No.229178

File: 1620393287546.gif (979.37 KB, 500x500, xijing.gif)

>>229175
>Gets way fewer votes than Corbyn got in the last 2 Hartlepool elections.

>NOOOOOOOOOOO CORBYN WHY WOULD YOU SABOTAGE US
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 No.229184

>>229178
When you think about it there are multiple parties in many seats that are stopping Labour delivering a total majority, so can we really say Corbyn won any seats?
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 No.229191

File: 1620393776976.png (14.55 KB, 189x99, ClipboardImage.png)

CIIP DECLARES VICTORY OVER THE CASTLE POINT IMPERIALISTS, IN THEIR ELECTORAL STRUGGLE FOR AUTONOMY AND SELF-DETERMINATION

UP THE ISLE!
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 No.229200

>>229145
Don't disagree with most of you. Although i do think things can change, and what looks unacheivable now could become possible. Decades happening in weeks and all that.
Also don't think the UK's situation is unique, a tight ruling class and neoliberal cheerleaders is true of every nation across the west.
What i really disagree with you on is that 1) breaking the UK up is anyway threatening to this order 2) You should stop fighting for socialism just because the road looks long and hard.
>>229153
>Loss of Wales/Scot ends Labours chances in England, potential for new party to fill in
>Socialist movements can build whilst the bou from the three countries are too busy squabbling with each other
This seems like pure hope. Hoping a new party will emerge in England, hoping socialist movements will develop.
At some point you'd have to stop hoping and actually build the left wing movement. And then fundamentally you're faced with the exact same problem as now, except if you ever do achieve success you've hamstrung your nations options.
<Con/Lab are actively destroying the lives of so many in the country
<At least two countries can escape their grip
Lad, it's not the English ruling class that's fucked Scotland or Wales, it's the ruling class full stop. Replacing one set for another (although i doubt even that'd happen much) acheives nothing.
There's a very obvious example of this in Ireland, which escaped the grip of England and is now an even more neoliberal shithole than the UK.
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 No.229203

File: 1620394153386.png (386.29 KB, 474x387, ClipboardImage.png)

>NIP gets 0.8% (250 votes)
Please, just a crumb meme politics, I'm begging you
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 No.229213

>>229191
CANVEY GO BRAGH
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 No.229218

>>229175
>>229178
>>229184
This remind me of how in brazilian politics they still unironically directly blame lula for shit going wrong in current year when he is not even relevant politically anymore.

Corbyn cucked out and bent the fucking knee, he is a none factor at this point.
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 No.229219

>>229200
How is Ireland more neoliberal than the UK?
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 No.229224

File: 1620394825249.png (269.36 KB, 765x677, le sad trol.png)

>>229218
>Corbyn cucked out and bent the fucking knee
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 No.229227

>>229218
>Lula not politically relevant anymore
Last I checked he's leading all the polls for 2022 and Bolsonaro's disapproval rating continues to grow.
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 No.229235

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>>229218
Saw that someone dug these out just as you posted, Corbyn was cucked before he cucked out. Feel like there's only so much you can do when everyone's either a traitor or a complete moron. Worth noting that something like 99% of Labour conference backed a second referendum by the time it was brought to them.
Corbyn was a weak leader and naive, but he was right on the issue that is now destroying Labour and everyone but Len McCluskey was screaming at him to back this disastrous policy.
The Labour Party, constantly bemoaning that the electorate are too easily played by the reactionary media, got played in the exact same way by liberal think tanks, campaigners and media.
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 No.229238

>>229219
It was deregulating it's banking and slashing it's corporation tax before it was cool. Chasing the dream of being the warehouse of the EU.
Then the recession hit and that banking system collpased hard. It got IMF'd and ECB'd. European Commission can literraly overrule the state's budget now and they only want thing (RESPONSIBILITY). Barely a country anymore.
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 No.229239

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 No.229242

>>229235
I was at conference that year. It was maddening , like being involved in a mass hysteria. Everyone convinced the 2nd referendum thing wasn’t terrible. Dealing with the remaniacs nearly drove me insane.
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 No.229243

File: 1620395624921.jpg (43.3 KB, 440x698, DavidLloydGeorge.jpg)

>>229239
>So where did it all bring you Fabiantard?. Right back to me.
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 No.229244

>>229235
Also you are right to hilighted that many supposedly solid socialists went full retard over the 2nd referendum. This includes John mcdonnel and his crony’s. Bunch of retards easily emotionally manipulated.
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 No.229245

I was wondering (as a non brittish) how labour and SNP compare economical and social policy wise? If the prospects of getting to see balkanized Britain are left out and one would have to choose between the two, then what would be the leftist choice. I have heard that SNP describes itself as succdem that likes the EU and they often get called unredeemable libshits because of it, but I have heard similar things about Labour too, especially since Corbyn got kicked out.
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 No.229246

>>229235
Brexit was the worst thing to have ever happen to Corbyn.
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 No.229250

>>229096
This is kinda what I was getting at by suggesting the Alba manifesto as a model. What its asking for is basically a radical democratisation of both the currently legislature and also the economy in part. This is why it ties in the program of separatism, the message must be the old Connolly message, yes, we can become independent, but we won't have true democracy until we have socialism.

>>229130
>This just comes from a collapse of faith in achievability of socialism
because it isn't achievable, at least, not by the suggested methods currently given to us i.e. either build one or communist party, be that trots, CPB, CPBGML, or entryism into Labour, which always seem to be the suggestion.

>It's doing stuff for the sake it.

no its doing stuff because massive constitutional shifts historically mark sea changes in how countries are run and as has been said over and over, the political cultures in Ireland and Scotland are markedly different to that of the political culture in England, thus, it allows these different political cultures to gain prominence, rather than being subsumed into English Jingoism.

>The fact that balklanisation runs directly contrary to the ability of a socialist to Britain to survive

See its this that is so frustrating, you are imagining a socialist Britain which there is literally no sign at all of happening, not in 10, 20 or even 50 years.

What is it you want exactly? Another Corbyn? So he can get crucified again? State your strategy for a socialist UK plainly so we can see, instead of just posting negatives.

>you've give up on left wing politcs and become a nat.

just straight up pretending there is no crossover with left wing politics and nationalism.

>I mean what's even the plan here?

The plan I laid out actually gave primacy to the building of mass movements, and mentioned balkanisation after that, but choose to read whatever you wish.

The plan is in fact:

1) Build up tenants movements and bleed over into the labour movement
2) Break off Scotland and possibly ireland/wales, activating those more left wing populations and galvanising them along a program of national renewal
3) Use these emerging programs of national renewal to then bleed down into England.

Now, you could say: why do we need Balkanisation if we have the Mass Movements? Well, the answer is that we don't have the mass movements, by which I mean, organised tenants, workers and possibly debtors later on. Organised lumpen proletariat, all the rest of it. The mass movements as they are are split, the Scottish and Irish left are bound up in the national questions and thus weakened. You can say "this is why we don't have the mass movements so they should stop being bound up in the national question" but you then have to face the fact that these national movements are gaining in strength, not receding, and they are gaining in strength specifically because of the increasingly reactionary tendencies of the British state.

As well as this "just do the mass movements" is the policy that has been followed by all the communist parties in Britain for over a century to no result. Again, what is the plan you are suggesting? Continue on as we have been doing? Literal madness, the definition.

> It's just break up and hope.

yours is just stay together and hope, you offer nothing at all the contrary.

>You better believe UK, US, & EU will poring money into every crevice of of the Scottish politcal system tho and finding it's way into the back hands of the minister handing out health contracts and writing health bills.

it already does this.

>You better believe it'll be in the media telling Scots what to think and how to vote, and keeping anything genuinely threatening away from power. Kind of like it does now!

>kind of like it does now!
indeed, in fact one of the things is does with unanimity from the bourgeoise press is tell Scotland not to become independent.

>And if you don't think the UK wouldn't intervene if Scotland got uppitty you're dreaming. Just pulling contracts, taking it to international courts, freezing financing etc.

all of which would radicalise a population had they just voted for independence and now found the mother country spitefully hampering their efforts.

>Absolutely would get couped if it ever got that far though. Throwing out years of interventionist history at your peril.

okay guess we should do nothing then because feds gonna do what feds gonna do.

Weren't you calling me doom pilled last post?

Yes i am very aware of the intervention of capital in socialist movements, they have in fact previously put down a socialist uprising in Scotland, which is objectively the closest the UK has ever come to a socialist uprising.
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 No.229254

>>229245
Corbyn labour was to the left of the SNP, for any other point in history in the last 20-25 years the SNP has been to the left of labour.

the SNP for example didn't back the iraq war.
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 No.229262

>>229245
The SNP were generally to the left of Labour from ~1987-2016.
(Arguably late 2015 since that's when Corbyn took over, but they campaigned left of Labour in the election earlier that year.)

By /leftypol/ standards they've always been irredeemable liberals (except maybe when telling people not to pay the poll tax) but by electoral standards they were the best thing to win an appreciable number of seats for a long time. The best way to view them might be as very skilled political operators - willing to accept neoliberal hegemony to get independence, but also willing to bend the orthodoxies of that hegemony to advance their own cause. That sounds overly academic, so a practical example: Labour brought tuition fees in to Scotland completely unnecessarily because neoliberal ideology said it was a good idea. The SNP got rid of them because they were deeply unpopular and unnecessary, but at the same time were willing to talk up the idea of Scotland as a celtic tiger economy like Ireland because it was a culturally similar example of a country generally considered very successful. As a big tent party they wound up being a group of principled opportunists: People who liked universal public services, but also understood that they were electorally popular.
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 No.229291

>>229200
>if you ever do achieve success you've hamstrung your nations options.
A communist UK still has no options so that's meaningless.
>Lad, it's not the English ruling class that's fucked Scotland or Wales, it's the ruling class full stop. Replacing one set for another (although i doubt even that'd happen much) acheives nothing.
Did I ever say it was the English ruling class?
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 No.229311

Bit surprised to see that some people actually seem to care about the outcome to this election. Any opposition to the Tories has been dead in the water for a while now so don't know what people were expecting to happen other than more gains for them in the next few years of elections.
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 No.229347

Sturgeon holds her seat, I lose my lunch.
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 No.229358

Forgot to say btw, expect high turnout in Scotland. I was on a stall the other day and spoke to a lot of people who said they were voting for the first time. Of all different ages and backgrounds
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 No.229366

>>229347
Bullies nicked your lunch again lad?
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 No.229374

>>229358
Could that affect the results in some significant way?
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 No.229381

>>229374
Higher turnout tends to lean “ left” in elections in general Scotland is weird though so it might be a boost for everybody but labour. The anti lockdown (and therefore anti SNP) vote will probably be a thing.
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 No.229383

>>229374
>>229381
Isn't high turnout typically bad for new parties?
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 No.229387

>>229383
Couldn’t tell you tbh. High turnout I think is likely gonna be a boost for the SNP but also a boost for unionists, the unionist vote will be split however and your average unionist/ eu lover will be a hardline Keir Stan. But also some of them will be tories.

In terms of Alba, if the SNP are doing well, Alba are probably also doing well.
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 No.229423

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 No.229436

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 No.229477

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Some interesting results coming in, GRN taking a few from LAB
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 No.229484

Proudly joining the masses in exercising my right to complete forget who labour members even are
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 No.229491

>>229484
wdzmbt
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 No.229494

Exterminate the Blairite vermin
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 No.229496

>>229494
This basically
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 No.229503

Sage may be a nonce on the national question, but more than ever it is Acorn time.
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 No.229511

>>229494
Apparently Adonis or Blair is planning to run. Labour is turning into a containment area for everyone that needs to be removed from politics.
It's very funny that losing a single seat in a backwater has totally destroyed the Blairite narrative and the knives are coming out while they still have a chance to retake control of it. Adonis thinks Labour is too Brexity, Mandleson thinks it's too Remainy, they don't realise that their Brexit autism has destroyed Labour and originally I thought it was just a ruse but it's starting to transpire we are actually dealing with the most driven and ambitious retards the UK has to offer.
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 No.229522

>labour will die in your lifetime
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 No.229527

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>>229511
accelerationism it is, then
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 No.229532

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>>229522
>an arch blairite is going to take control of Labour and destroy it before everyone's eyes, permanently discrediting the ideology as an artefact of the 90s and making every melt in the labour movement go spend more time with their families
Everything's going to be okay bros
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 No.229541

if Adonis challenged Starmer would you vote Starmer or Adonis?

Adonis would of course be a chaotic disaster (funny), but the idea of a Blairite getting obliterated by Keir Starmer of all fucking people is also hilarious.
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 No.229547

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>>229532
>Greens will back stab their base and become conservatives 2
>People will be left with no choice but to leave electoral politics
>By this time Acorn will be bigger than the Bolsheviks ever were
M-maybe world war 3 won't even happen bros
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 No.229557

>>229477
>labour losing to green
Keirite trash are still gonna blame this on Corbyn aren’t they though the fucking maniacs
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 No.229571

>>229541
Adonis beating Starmer would make the compromise oriented red soclibs seethe, then Adonis absolutely obliterating every fucking rightoid chancer in the PLP with his ineptitude and autism would be the chefs kiss and the ultimate poetic irony conclusion to every bit of wrecking over the last decade from both the centre and the right. Obviously most rightoid HQ members would have to be laid off because of the financial hardship of Labour, and any union worth its dues would be reaffiliating to TUSC en masse.
The problem with this banter timeline is most Labour members have fucking Labrador brains and aren't anywhere near Machiavellian enough to nuke Labour out of spite, and aren't brave enough to destroy it to take a chance on something better. We're talking about people who backed a second referendum because they were told the Lib Dems would steal their votes here. The only way it could play out is if their dog brains had a Pavlovian response to Blairism and the promise of Big Blair Wins, maybe if someone played a bit of Blur at the conference they'd go for it.
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 No.229585

>>229571
In fairness, for every 1% increase in the chance of replacing Labour with something better there's a 10% increase in the chance of replacing it with something much worse. With the existence of the Labour movement itself practically a technicality nowadays, any new left party would be at tremendous risk of being insufferably liberal in ways that Labour never could.

Also tbh the risk of losing votes to the lib dems was real if overstated. Theresa May's advisor identified something that few in Labour spoke of at the time that qualify that though - Leave votes were widely spread geographically, remain votes were concentrated. Even if literally all remain voters went to Labour they would be behind on constituencies if Leave voters went to the Conservatives.
(if you wanted to be charitable, the banter outcome here is that Labour shot itself in the face to hit the lib dems through the heart, since otherwise they might've got a few seats from geographically concentrated supporters.)
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 No.229588

>>229250
>because it isn't achievable, at least, not by the suggested methods currently given to us i.e. either build one or communist party, be that trots, CPB, CPBGML, or entryism into Labour, which always seem to be the suggestion.
It is literally impossible for independant Scotland to be socialist. Repeat it for me sagey.
We've traded two essay tier posts and still you're dodging the fact the Scotland does not have the economic or military clout to break from neoliberalism.
It is literally impossible for independant Scotland to be socialist.
Ergo, the only the way you support independance is if you've completely given up on socialism. Not just got frustrated with methods tried, but genuinely given up.

>See its this that is so frustrating, you are imagining a socialist Britain which there is literally no sign at all of happening, not in 10, 20 or even 50 years.

>What is it you want exactly? Another Corbyn? So he can get crucified again? State your strategy for a socialist UK plainly so we can see, instead of just posting negatives.
Sage you've been alive, what, 30 years? I'd love to know how you're peering into a crystal ball, through economic, enviromental and demographic crises and are so damned sure what conditions will be 50 years down the line.
And if conditions change, i'd like to be prepared, intellectually and physically, and i'd like to have prepared comrades with me and an organanisation amongst the working class capable of steering events.
And if conditions change, and revolution becomes possible, i'd like that revolution not to be relagted to the balklan meme republic of Northumbria, where it will be strangled in it's crib.
And if conditions do not change, i'd like to have organised and educated the next generation, so that they might have a shot at doing what we didn't.
And that's not hope. Events always happen.
So yeah i'm pretty much fine with the party structure and organising amongst labour/tenants.
It won't overthrow the government tommorrow, but one day it will.
Now you can argue tactics for causing events, better organising etc. and honestly I'm down for allot for it. Except if it's directly contradictory to the cause of socialism. Like Balklanising the UK for instance.

Happy? Not really trying argue methodology here, outside of nat shit. Quite like the tennant stuff you do sage, not really trying to argue with you about that either.
I am telling you that you've just tacked nat shit onto something otherwise fine and that said nat shit is retarded.

>The plan I laid out actually gave primacy to the building of mass movements, and mentioned balkanisation after that, but choose to read whatever you wish.

>The plan is in fact:
>1) Build up tenants movements and bleed over into the labour movement
>2) Break off Scotland and possibly ireland/wales, activating those more left wing populations and galvanising them along a program of national renewal
>3) Use these emerging programs of national renewal to then bleed down into England.

1 is utterly divorced from 2 and 3.
3 is sheer fantasy.
2 is literally just we should do socialism, and you think it'd be easier in Wales/Scotland. You're wrong, simple as.

>Now, you could say: why do we need Balkanisation if we have the Mass Movements? Well, the answer is that we don't have the mass movements, by which I mean, organised tenants, workers and possibly debtors later on. Organised lumpen proletariat, all the rest of it. The mass movements as they are are split, the Scottish and Irish left are bound up in the national questions and thus weakened. You can say "this is why we don't have the mass movements so they should stop being bound up in the national question" but you then have to face the fact that these national movements are gaining in strength, not receding, and they are gaining in strength specifically because of the increasingly reactionary tendencies of the British state.

>As well as this "just do the mass movements" is the policy that has been followed by all the communist parties in Britain for over a century to no result. Again, what is the plan you are suggesting? Continue on as we have been doing? Literal madness, the definition.

Am i reading this right? Are you insulting the 'just do mass movements' strat and saying we need to be nats because they're mass movements? In the same breath?
You're right mate, this is the same old shit. Reheated trot just support any old movement because it's a movement.
Same explanation for it too, we'll build workers/tenants movements out of this! How? Fuck knows.
Hope you do build workers/tennants/debtors unions by the way, but i see fuck all connection to Scottish nationlism.

>yours is just stay together and hope, you offer nothing at all the contrary.

Where was i talking about about how i think we should organise? I don't rememeber it.
This was dicussion about whether to support breaking up the UK or not.
In that context i am not i'm favour of staying together and hoping, I'm in favour of staying together as the alternative renders socialism impossible.
Also in that context, the strategy of breaking things up, literally the reason for supporting this, is hope. Just hoping something shakes from it.

>all of which would radicalise a population had they just voted for independence and now found the mother country spitefully hampering their efforts.

More mastabatory fantasy.
Go look at Greece. Where's the burgeoning radicalisation and tell me how it stopped them getting their nations legs cut off.

>okay guess we should do nothing then because feds gonna do what feds gonna do.

>Weren't you calling me doom pilled last post?
>Yes i am very aware of the intervention of capital in socialist movements, they have in fact previously put down a socialist uprising in Scotland, which is objectively the closest the UK has ever come to a socialist uprising.
You were dismissing the rest UK intefering in Scotland. I didn't think i'd have to remind anyone of capital interventions either, but here we are.
The doom pill here is in pursuing a project where success renders socialism impossible.
I know you don't want to think about, i know it's fun feeling like your going somewhere, but eventually you're gonna have to think about the destination.
A independant Scotland would be rent asunder by the UK and EU if it moved left. That's reality. Wake up to it. You are heading toward an even more hopeless scenario.
The hyperbole of do nothing cos feds - well no. It's more accept that getting fedded exists and so you should probably have a plan for it. Doing nothing and doing something you know will fail look very much alike.
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 No.229591

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<Keir Starmer asked for concrete policy changes Labour will now make in response to these election results, tells the BBC that he will "change the things that need changing and that is the change that I will bring about."
This is fucking Thick of It dialogue
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 No.229596

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FASTER
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 No.229599

>>229541
thats the thing, its a manufactured choice presented to give you the illusion of change
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 No.229602

>>229591
>>229596
We live in a CHANGE society
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 No.229603

To make any headway it seems like attacking the popularity of opinions given by the media, think tanks, and campaign specialists needs to be the primary focus. This would have to be in conjunction with building a new UK media ecosystem aimed at the people demoralized by 10 years of Torie rule. This is exactly what Trump was able to do in America with great effect. I think if you historically track successful leftist movements you'll see that this was a necessary step in all of them. For instance, once Hearst's Yellow Journalism (which was the Fox News of the 1910s) lost it's popularity we see the rise of a strong socialist movement in the US with Eugene Debs coming within swinging distance of a serious national Presidential candidate. This really helped energize the American socialist movement.

I say this, because a lot of people realize Western media is shite, but neither leftist nor liberal movements seem to focus on attacking it's popularity. The right wing, however, has made attacking the mainstream media's popularity a primary concern, and in doing so has elevated fringe right media into the mainstream.
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 No.229606

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>>229591
My mind went straight to "Here to Hear".
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 No.229608

File: 1620408573679.mp4 (5.44 MB, 320x240, Yes Minister - The Speech.mp4)

>>229591
Yes Minister, actually.
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 No.229614

>>229571 (me)
So some people are probably thinking (although likely not in this thread) "Aren't you just doing the same thing the Blairites did for a decade?" - No. The Blairites broke the alliance they were still claiming to be signed up for making it no longer a serious political party, it's now a knife fight in a phone booth. If we decimate Labour enough then either we will get a strong TUSC out of it, or only the SCG will survive the cleansing and we can assert dominance once more via the nomination % rules. If the SCG don't survive the collapse, then Labour will turn into CUK2 and Pasokify into irrelevance.
The SCG lacks the political will to purge the Labour Party, we must purge the Labour Party ourselves through wrecking, discrediting rightists, and pilfering their union support by taking them to TUSC. Either Labour will be cleansed of rightism and TUSC can realign with it, or the party will be consigned to the dustbin of history and TUSC will take its place.
>>229585
The progressive melts are one of the factions dragging us down, and are almost certainly one of the biggest drivers of the PV turn, they'll stick with Labour or the LDs to the bitter end. The Lib Dems also don't have the foundations to make it as the primary opposition, even business friendly Starmer can't convince the now tight fisted Blair backers to return, and the LDs famously destroyed themselves because they couldn't afford another GE a decade ago, ultimately business would rather just back the Tories who are currently guaranteed to get you your donations back via corruption. The labour unions are an immense source of funding and manpower and any union leader seen getting into bed with them won't be long for this world, their natural home is either Labour or TUSC.
Places like Durham, Wirral and Sheffield going Green and Hartlepool backing Corbyn in 2017, along with other places seeing BXP return to Labour shows that there is still a strong demand for a real leftist opposition and everyone hasn't simply turned into Tories. Workers and unions continue to exist and will be an endless source of new politicians and activists untainted by Blairite mindrot, and Labour's shift to the right and continuing decline will only dissuade it from taking hold in the new movement.
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 No.229629

Interesting article by the succdems at Jacobin Magazine describing how Starmer has spent the last year purging leftist elements in Labour, and implementing intra-party mechanisms to prevent future challenges for leadership positions by left membership. Basically, he spent little to no effort in putting pressure on Tories over the course of the last year and opted instead to implement an ambitious program which solidifies the Blairite hold on the party. Check it out:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/keir-starmer-labour-party-leader-uk-left
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 No.229635

Just so we’re clear, the plan is to crash the UK with no survivors
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 No.229637

>>229635
Couldn't happen to a historically nicer country.
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 No.229648

How's George Galloway doing lmao
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 No.229652

>>229635

If it hurts the eternal anglo, its good in my books
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 No.229654

>>229637
You merely observed reaction, I was born in it, raised in it. I didn’t know socialism until I was a man.
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 No.229658

CORNISH NATIONALISTS GAIN A SEAT.
Big up the CRA.
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 No.229664

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>>229635
Of coursh!
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 No.229665

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>>229591
Okay so, change is good right? So what if we change the change, and we're changing so that, uh, the change is coming from us, but the changing is also changing. And we bring about that change.
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 No.229671

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the middle class wan-kur angus robertson has taken edinburgh central

wonder how this guy did
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 No.229685

Not defending parliamentary politics, but it seems communists did better than expected? Good sign for things to come all things considered.

Maybe it is just a shitshow overall.
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 No.229686

>>229685
Which dimension are you from
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 No.229689

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>>229652
>the eternal anglo
Revenge is a dish best served cold!
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 No.229694

>>226024
he got in by the way, lmao
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 No.229697

>>229686
Maybe I'm unfamiliar with the recent past, but more than 100 people voting for a communist in an area is pretty impressive in my opinion. How many people are even members of the CP? Like a 500 across the entire uk?
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 No.229704

>>229697
Terrific
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 No.229705

>>229588
>It is literally impossible for independant Scotland to be socialist.
Because you say so? Bollocks.
>We've traded two essay tier posts and still you're dodging the fact the Scotland does not have the economic or military clout to break from neoliberalism.
and this is the first time you've brought it up and it is something you are simply asserting with no evidence.
>It is literally impossible for independant Scotland to be socialist.
repeating it twice doesn't constitute evidence. so, ergo nothing. You haven't said anything so how can it be ergo something. I see however this is just a distraction tactic to avoid saying what it is you believe as the alternative. What is it CPB? Labour? Something else? What?

first its
>I'd love to know how you're peering into a crystal ball, through economic, enviromental and demographic crises and are so damned sure what conditions will be 50 years down the line.
then its
>It won't overthrow the government tommorrow, but one day it will.
so in fact, you are the one who is dead certain that the tactics you give
>So yeah i'm pretty much fine with the party structure and organising amongst labour/tenants.
is one day going to be a revolutionary combination. Also you don't say which party. Telling. Is it, tiny microsect CPB, they stood this year.. lets see the results. Or is it, massive neoliberal behemoth of hope and cope Labour? or is it something even more deeply autistic than the CPB?

What you are literally saying is
>just continue as we have been doing
I'm asking you why we should do that given the stunning lack of results it has given us.

>id like to be prepared

>id like to be organised
>for when le big event happens which changes things so dramatically
and yet, with these tactics and the current crop of parties, a global pandemic happened and where was your precious labour of CPB? Fellating themselves is where. Doing NADA. The time is HERE the time is NOW. There is the opportunity to make sweeping changes to how the UK looks in the very near future. I understand you are completely high off the fart fumes of some fossil of a CPB chair or some sociopathic labour party careerist, which you refuse to specify, but its time smell the coffee cunt. Your strategy is essentially "wait" .

Tell me what you would do that is any different from what has been done before and tell me why we should expect any different from what has already happened?

>Except if it's directly contradictory to the cause of socialism. Like Balklanising the UK for instance.

I'm interested to hear why you think Balkanising a key NATO member is somehow inherently antithetical to socialism

>1 is utterly divorced from 2 and 3.

Its not at all, Scotland has a population which is FACTUALLY, STATISTICALLY, more left wing than the rest of the UK, apart from Ireland. It is therefore FACTUALLY AND STATISTICALLY easier to organise these people into unions. Break off the easy party, make it socialist, move on to the harder parts. It really isn't rocket science. You are also completely ignoring the fact that independence would then give way to a national debate of what the country should be, and that Scotland as previously stated has a population which is more left wing than the rest of the UK. I understand this upsets you, but its a fact.

>3 is sheer fantasy.

you were the one that was on about the history of intervention. Remind me what domino theory was.

>2 is literally just we should do socialism, and you think it'd be easier in Wales/Scotland. You're wrong, simple as.

as stated above, i'm right, not just simple as, i've given actual reasons, not just "you're wrong because I say so".

Counter SPECIFICALLY: Scotland has a more left wing population than the rest of the UK, do this with actual facts, not just pontificating. Post a source to back up your claims. Then counter SPECIFICALLY the idea that a newly independent country would be galvanised around a program of national renewal and therefore all of the above tenant and labour organising is much easier, as well as pushing socialist policy into parliament.

>Am i reading this right?

No you're not because you then say
> Are you insulting the 'just do mass movements' strat and saying we need to be nats because they're mass movements?
which isn't what i'm saying at all and there is no part of the post which says that.

>we'll build workers/tenants movements out of this! How? Fuck knows.

actually I have given an answer for this in the post and I have reiterated it above. You are simply pretending I've said something else.

>Where was i talking about about how i think we should organise? I don't rememeber it.

yeh, so I'm asking you, what alternative strategy do you have, and you are refusing to answer, and when you did answer, the answer you gave was literally the position I was critiquing "just keep doing what we have been doing" IT ISN'T WORKING. CLEARLY. EVEN WHEN IT CAME CLOSE TO WORKING, IT COMPLETELY FAILED.

>I'm in favour of staying together as the alternative renders socialism impossible.

its complete nonesense though and you haven't given a shred of evidence to back it up. Scotland is a northern european country with highly developed productive forces and many natural assets. Of course it can do socialism.

>literally the reason for supporting this, is hope. Just hoping something shakes from it.

nope, its because scottish people are more left wing and independence willl put scotland in a state of flux. If it leaves, it will be more left wing than the rest of the UK, because that is the culture of the place and its what people want. These again, are facts. Again, I know you like to stick your fingers in your ears and make excuses for ole blighty and akshually Engerland is a revolutionary hotbed and scotland is literally the most imperialist country to exist, but that is all cope, the facts say completely otherwise. Get over it and stop crying about it.

>More mastabatory fantasy.

exactly as masturbatory as "one day the things that we have been doing for 100 years will start to work because umm… if I use the word "conditions" that makes it sound marxist right? okay.. because the conditions will change, yeh, p marx, very engles."

>Go look at Greece.

you mean, the country in europe with the largest communist party and probably the most radical politics of anywhere in europe? With the giant anarchist scene and such? Would fucking love if that was Scotland actually yeh.

I mean, if you can even compare scotland and greece in that matter, but eh, you can't because the history the countries is entirely different.

>You were dismissing the rest UK intefering in Scotland.

yes, when I was advocating for Scotland to leave the UK because I think the UK stops scotland doing socialism i was actually saying that the UK doesn't interfere with scotland.

>The doom pill here is in pursuing a project where success renders socialism impossible.

this "socialism is impossible" seems to be your big ace card and you've literally nothing to back it up. Sheer cope.

>A independant Scotland would be rent asunder by the UK and EU if it moved left.

Do you think the feds are less likely to stimmy socialism in the UK if it stays together or something? Explain your reasoning. Literally anything you can say about feds in Scotland you can also say about feds in the UK in general. Thats reality. Wake up to it.

I accept getting fedded exists. My plan for it? Same as in Bolivia, a dedicated, organised, disciplined socialist movement, which is, objectively, more easily built in an independent Scotland.

You could take your fed argument and literally apply it to anywhere.
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 No.229715

>>229705
Sir this is a shitpost thread
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 No.229726

>>229715
IM MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE
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 No.229744

>>229648
It flopped, Alba too
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 No.229749

>>229635
based
>>229652
and based
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 No.229800

>>229705
>>229749

I would like to point out that Scotland's ruling class were installed after centuries of brutal British colonialism and economic warfare. Even if you didn't think it would lead to a more socialist Scotland, balkanization would still be poetic justice against the eternal British anglos.
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 No.229804

File: 1620414394791.png (2.09 MB, 1280x1415, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.229831

JOE





[adultswim.com]
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 No.229837

Kier Starmer is losing because he hates Jesus christ.
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 No.229839

>>229804
BREAKING: KEIR STARMER turns into WHY WOULD CORBYN DO THIS?
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 No.229840

File: 1620415138086.jpg (346.46 KB, 1080x1508, IMG_20210507_161745.jpg)

Jacobin taking shots @ keith
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 No.229848

File: 1620415244551.jpg (132.95 KB, 600x600, 146_SmokersClub_600.jpg)

>>229840
Jacobcia is actually alright in the UK. The Tribnune lot really "get it"
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 No.229864

Anyone know any sites I can follow the results live like in the US elections?
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 No.229882

>>229864
its all fucked cos of covid
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 No.229886

>>229864
Guardian live blog, is probably your best shot.
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 No.229905

seems to be going bad for the Scots, what happened?
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 No.229909

In scotland SNP are up three seats, labour have lost one to them and Tories have lost 2. Source: Hookers and blowvara media
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 No.229910

>>229864
Oh yeah mate it's bbctarquin.co.uk
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 No.229924

>>229910
>>229910
something wrong with the url
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 No.229961

i'm going to the shops, you lads want anything?
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 No.229972

>>229961
Justice for David Kelly
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 No.230008

>>229961
Cornetto
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 No.230021

>>229614 (me)
Thoughts lads?
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 No.230058

File: 1620420110976.png (72.19 KB, 563x398, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.230072

>>230058
>drinks last tumbler of whiskey
>cocks revolver
>"that went down well"
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 No.230078

>>229744
>Alba too
Oof

>>229840
lel

>>229961
Bounty
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 No.230157

File: 1620422303311.png (215.22 KB, 568x689, ClipboardImage.png)

Today, Fascism Won.
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 No.230167

>>230157
So memes aside, isn't Drakeford a Corbyn loyalist?
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 No.230172

>>230167
it looks like Wales is a CORBYN SURGE
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 No.230188

>order of magnitude increase in votes
What the fuck? How?
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 No.230263

>>230188
lockdown means people have nothing better to do than postal vote
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 No.230299

>>230167
Not really, he's just more of a Welsh Hard-Leftist: Welsh Labour is a thing unto its own/
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 No.230351

>>230299
>tfw you realise scottish labour failed as they didn't embrace gàidhlig enough so the central leadership found out about them trying to do a socialism
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 No.230398

File: 1620429039931.jpg (83.33 KB, 640x827, ce4.jpg)

A survey of 1,843 healthcare workers undertaken by NursingNotes reveals that a massive 42% intended to vote Conservative in yesterday’s local elections.
Just 32% of those surveyed said they intended to vote for the Labour Party.

In stark contrast, a previous survey revealed that 82% of healthcare workers intended to vote for the Labour Party in the 2019 General Election while the Conservative Party picked up just 6% of the vote.

https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/politics/two-in-five-healthcare-workers-vote-conservative-in-local-elections/
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 No.230401

File: 1620429076247.gif (2.93 MB, 680x636, 1620221147228.gif)

Good evening Pakis and transhumanists (You will never be a Woman)
Todays results only prove that no-one cares about your politics. Even if you don't like Starmer you are all still mongs who are wildly out of touch with the actual British public. You have single handely killed the British working classes position in poltics by pushing transhumanistism and your retarded dialectics and what not.
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 No.230406

>>230401
>dialectics
?
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 No.230407

>>230401
don't look at us GCHQlad we all voted Tory here
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 No.230416

File: 1620429416867.jpg (175.82 KB, 1152x1204, 20210507_213835.jpg)

A man who sucks willys and a smelly paki. That's it! That'll appeal to the British Working Class
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 No.230424

>>230416
i'll kindly ask you not to refer to the prime minister and the home secretary in those terms again
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 No.230475

>>230398
Answer my post, socdem >>229614
I did not write over a paragraph to be ignored

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