I just watched the 'UK IS DYING AND I NEED TO VENT' video and I think we can all agree there is no hope for anyone in this country whatsoever, except for the landlords and triple locked pensioners, so with that said should we all go abroad? If so then where? Or should we just do our best to find a way to make it in this country? Maybe I should go teach English in China, but moving away from what I know is scary.
>>2190312Unironically i wouldn't be surprised. Even i've seen in the past small anarcho insurecto sites blocked on UK IP's.
If you're posting out of the UK and not using tor WTF are you doing though?
Wait, i'll answer that, you're making a rod for your own back.
>>2190990>as well as necessary.We have just given hundreds of millions of pounds of free money to an African nation and they are presently using it to invade and sponsor death squads in a neighbouring country. And that was statistically the least least corrupt state on the continent!
Giving large sums of cash to African governments always results in net more Africans dying than if you just didn't. It sounds contradictory but it's been proven again and again, the Russians worked this out during the Cold War. This means you have to give the money to NGOs based in the West, all of which are corrupt, ineffectual, outright evil or all of the above.
>>2192071>heAnon. Glowanon isn't a single user.
r u new?
>>2192226> jellied eel Literally nobody not old enough to remember that one Mighty Boosh sketch is going to know what that is.
>>2193928Mamy young adults are unable to move out of the parents house due to economic crisis.
And they're accused of being leeches.
Yet, again many middle aged people are moving back in with their parents
>>2194084yea man it's bad out here, ive seen it for 15+ years, its all fucked beyond belief, trump was just the icing on the cake
its now rich vs poor
and they distract the normies with circus… f
>>2194690It's netflix what do you expect lol.
>>2194706It never really happens. Most female murder victims are killed by their spouses. The incel terrorism thing is just the latest moral panic for boomers.
>>2194762>moral panic for boomers.Is it just for boomers? The incel terrorism scare seems just as applicable for younger generations or more so. Tbh, I feel like the people who run the apologia of
>Incel mass shooters are just a sad indictment of the male mental health and loneliness epidemic are boomers, usually looping that into how back in their day, women were more friendly and open to marrying people who would eventually beat them to death (which then is also a sad indictment of how women developing too much lip because of feminism has resulted in men "going too far" by "accident" due to inexperience dealing with talkative wives, or something)
>>2194964>actually nuts that youre right about this and i never considered it this wayReally? Wasn't it always obvious?
Consider that it's the same for most rapes.
>>2193254>I am uncomfortable around the English middle class.That's all of us, anon.
It's a natural state of the british system.
>>2195047>The flag is a symbolic representation of the nation and the laws and ideals there ofBut the pledge says
<and to the Republic for which it standsSo you're pledging to the Republic that represents those things and also unironically a flag that represents the republic that represents nations, laws, idealism, etc.
Afraid to say, you are literally pledging allegiance to an inanimate object.
>Hope that helps.<The most passive aggressive people on Earth.Sounds like you've edged us out on this one chief.
>>2195047>But I went further. I started to get deeply annoyed by the way some people would jeer at our stupid pageantry. Americans, mostly, desperate to point at a political system more larpy and lunatic than their own. Look at the Brits, still ruled by hereditary aristocrats—isn’t it pathetic? Like some fantasy kingdom. Like Game of Thrones. Isn’t it out of date? The Nairn-Anderson thesis repeated as a playground insult: you guys are lame. Well, what would you prefer? Should we have some crap president in a suit and tie, notionally elected but basically appointed by the IMF? Should we become another boring republic in a continent full of boring republics? Should we sell off Buckingham Palace to some grasping property developers, so it can be turned into luxury apartments, auctioned off in Singapore? Should we break down that hideous hat, so its three thousand diamonds can adorn a Saudi oil billionaire’s hubcaps instead? Would that be democratic? Would that be more normal? Would that radically change our political situation, or would it make things even more the same than they already are?>The monarchy does serve one very useful function: it reminds us that politics is not rational. In Britain, we are ruled by the descendants of an illiterate Viking warlord who came to this island one thousand years ago to massacre its people. When William I had his coronation at Westminster Abbey in 1066, his soldiers mistook the acclamation for a riot, and immediately set about burning and looting half the city. We can’t delude ourselves that the state exists for our benefit; it exists to serve a cabal of weird, leathery perverts, and so do we. We know that sovereignty is made of lizards and black magic. (Charles knows this too, by the way; he wrote an entire book about it. The only difference is that he likes Jung and Guénon and thinks this is all actually good.) The royals might not actually govern our lives any more—that role has been passed on to the international bond markets, just like everywhere else—but they let us see power as it really is: arbitrary, meaningless, and absurd. They remind us that all our dry fiddling around with interest rates sits at the end of a very long chain, stretching back to the first man who smashed another man’s head in with a rock.>It’s the people in republics who live in a fantasy-world. You’re still acting out some eighteenth-century vision of democracy. You still imagine that you’re governed by consent, and not simply ruled. You still pretend—how quaint—to be modern.https://samkriss.substack.com/p/in-englands-dreaming >>2195664>Should we have some crap president in a suit and tie, notionally elected but basically appointed by the IMF?You have that as well. You just have both. Worst of both worlds lol. What is this lib shit.
>Should we become another boring republic in a continent full of boring republics? Lol.
>Should we sell off Buckingham Palace to some grasping property developers, Logically you would turn it into a museum just as many estates in your country have already been turned into museums.
>so it can be turned into luxury apartments, auctioned off in Singapore? That's just fucking stupid. Obviously people wouldn't sell off any fucking mansion of historical importance. The only difference would be it would be a museum and the whole thing would be open to the public everyday and no rich pedophiles would live there anymore.
>Should we break down that hideous hat, so its three thousand diamonds can adorn a Saudi oil billionaire’s hubcaps instead?Probably because it's fucking ugly. But of course you would just put it in a museum. And really dialing up the racial scare stuff to 11 huh?
>Would that radically change our political situation, or would it make things even more the same than they already are?Nonsensical statement.
>It’s the people in republics who live in a fantasy-world. You’re still acting out some eighteenth-century vision of democracy. You still imagine that you’re governed by consent, and not simply ruled. You still pretend—how quaint—to be modern.Nah, fostering culture that looks down on conspicuous displays of wealth is good. Rich people should know there place at the very least, and afraid to flaunt it in front of the proles. Once you start letting that slide, you're already admitting mental defeat. Not saying America is one of those places anymore, but any place that at least forces the wealthy to hide instead of flaunt is more based than the ones that celebrate their gaudy extravagance.
>>2195027Because I thought people would have the basic common sense to google the org in the logo and find the further info rather than list like 25 locals including thanet and doncaster.
Here all the info is in here anon:
https://www.instagram.com/crips_against_cuts/ >>2196359>don't reply like this, it's ugly. a reply should be a holistic response to the post in question, Have you ever read Marx? He does the same shit except he'll devote paragraph after paragraph to a single sentence.
>with lesser jabs dropped Maybe he should stop making lesser points in his argument.
>and more essential responses to sub-points put in quotation marks.I don't know what you meant by this.
But I replied to the final summary point of what was quoted.
>Nah, fostering culture that looks down on conspicuous displays of wealth is good. Rich people should know their place at the very least, and afraid to flaunt it in front of the proles. Once you start letting that slide, you're already admitting mental defeat. Not saying America is one of those places anymore, but any place that at least forces the wealthy to hide instead of flaunt is more based than the ones that celebrate their gaudy extravagance.His argument is just an "accelerationist" argument that what bad things the bourgeois, and aristocracy in your case, do is good for the revolution because it will incite the proles, and make the class distinctions more obvious. But I really don't see how submission to the feudal dynamics that have existed for 1000s of years could possibly be revolutionary or accelerationist, considering people lived under them for so long without serious objection, and your strategy is continuing to live with them without objection, in the hopes that suddenly, now it will upset people more and "raise class awareness." It doesn't make any sense at all. It's like if you said we shouldn't criticize what Musk and DOGE is doing, because getting rid of Musk and DOGE wouldn't make America not an oligarchy, and it would be better if they continue doing what they're doing unopposed, and even with our quiescence, because that will raise class consciousness. It's stupid and retarded. You people are deluded.
>>2197045Showing support for a proscribed organisation is grounds for arrest in the UK
Will they be able to link your account to your irl identity? Will they care enough to spend the resources needed to arrest you? I can't answer that
Why would you want to indicate your support specifically for one al-Qaeda / Taliban tier islamic fundamentalist faction anyway, rather than the anti-colonial resistance & liberation movement in general?
Especially when there are Communist groups fighting as part of the resistance who advocate for Marxism rather than Islamic fundamentalism and stoning gays & atheists?
>>2197062It's not exactly a tax on TV, it's a tax on specifically a TV with an arial and shit tuned to watch state-funded TV.
It's not just BBC either i don't think, as C4 for example takes at least partially public money.
>>2198289Reverts are my favourite internet rabithole, they're delightfully insane and mostly harmless.
One of the White revert YTers (maybe he stopped, had 0 charisma) had a big circled-A anarchist tattoo which kills me every time.
>>2198355Nobody can modernise the west, it's turned into the stereotype of Africa except with electricity.
And no you can't blame the browns, they're not the ones who are in charge of that mess.
>>2198404>>2198408>Muh RedditYou know, Reddit is more anti-racist than you think.
LeftyPol is more on the racist scale
>>2199000If they pass legislation to ban youths from using social media, then it won't actually be over a show on Netflix, just part of a wider drive to neuter the internet as a platform for discussion without moderation from the UK government.
Sort of like the recent demand for platforms to not encrypt files or discussions, even if it's not immediately practical to sift through all of the noise to find the problematic people, the
idea that the UK government sees all and knows all should at least make some people think twice before sending that private message or saving that pdf of an unsavoury book.
>>2199768>*or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.*You don't achieve that simply by being the biggest producer of integrated chips, they're dependent on continued orders from foreign companies like Intel, if they attempted to start withholding production for political sway then that would have a primary economic impact in simply not receiving the money they would have gotten from sales, with the secondary impact being foreign businesses would see Taiwan as unreliable and would start investing in building a competing industry in a more amiable nation.
Ultimately Taiwan are the largest producers of ICs because of the tenancy towards monopoly, but that monopoly exists entirely at the behest of foreign capital who can choose to to redirect that capital elsewhere (and probably would if relations between Taiwan and the PRC warmed up), companies like TSMC are explicitly not chip
designers, so their entire business model depends on fabricating chips that other companies designed and are paying to have produced, it's in no way an industry fully contained within Taiwan that is self-standing and in competition with, let alone dominating, any other market that produces chip designs.
>>2199894Let's cut through the shit, what you leftyswine actually mean when you say 'imperialism' is
>reee nasty white man bad!!!If you actually think about it for a moment, when you blanket equate western people with the British empre, you are doing an incredible disservice to the memory of those living at the time. You act as though English people were sitting around twiddling their moustaches and counting their slave money, when 99% had no stake or say in the shenanigans of the empire. They were dying down coal mines and sending their kids off to wor in cotton mills.
Imperialism has no predication on 'muh evil empire' and directly associating the word with white western people makes you a racist piece of shit.
>>2199902oh gosh I've made a mistake, that undermines the argument entirely!
here
>>2199884 >>2199903>that undermines the argument entirely!>You're clutching at straws tbhCould you not talk like a 12 year old?
Anyway, if being a prolific producer of a thing people need inherently makes you have power and influence over other nations, then you're suggesting that Bangladesh is a nation imperialising the UK by stocking every Primark in the land with extremely, inhumanely, cheap clothing.
>>2200755What if they work a nightshift at the local chain cinema and spend all night projecting /leftpol/.org onto the big screen or plugging their friends ps5 into it. Did you think about that?
>>2200757What will Magret Thatcher street be renamed to following the revolution?
>>2200761Well why are
YOU up at 3am??? It is past bedtime you know.
>>2200144it's because the only left wing thing a british "person" can do is die, the more vermin they take with them the more leftist it is.
the fact that this thread is not just instructions on how to build and detonate a suicide bomb is proof that there are no human beings living on your island, let alone leftists.
>>2201254Anon.
Do you realise that there is hardly pure Anglos left in Britain, everyone has traces of Irish, Celtic, German, french, et cetera.
It's more of a mindset thing, there are plenty of leftist people here and plenty of leftist ideals.
It's not in yours or our best interest to spread cynasism.
>>2201286Honestly? I think a hypothetical or a fraction of a fraction of the populace
>>2201298Anon, would you believe me if I told you I'm not actually British? I'm Irish?
>>2201278Know Pain
Feel pain
Be pain
Ngl I think the Akatsuki could've been a heavy metal band
>>2201338His name is Haomaru from Samurai Showdown. I look up to him a lot.
>>2201339Oh definitely, I would have loved to see that, shame pain got reanimation jutsu-ed, he was the best villain of the show however.
>>2201349Anon. These people are my friends, i don't want to hurt or kill random British people. Id like things to change by all means and I'd like a bright future for us all but I don't want to IED random British people.
>>2201352I hope not, I want a rapier.
>>2200132TBF, the Jamaican accent is more melodious than funny…
>I don't have prejudice against himself. My father was a white and my mother was black. Them call me half-caste or whatever. Me don't dip on nobody's side. Me don't dip on the black man's side nor the white man's side. Me dip on God's side, the one who create me and cause me to come from black and white.t. The Natural
Robert Nesta Marley i was in town ydy and the atm stole my card, ha to treck home.
Only a small thing but really hammers home how much i hate this country, how here you can't own nothing, not even your own bank card and money you earn…..
>>2201605Damn, he was right, just to early.
>>2202131who. fucking. cares.
Your 'tkes' are not sacred. consider that your opinions on obscure pieces of history are entirely irrelevant.
Take havers should be b& and sent off for reeducation.
>>2202140There is no TG Jones. He isn't even a real human being.
The private equity firm Modella that bought WHSmiths is changing the name because they did some business meeting in their fancy London office and believe it will make more money.
>>2202862>Taiwan made a deliberate decision to dominate a market.Why? Why didn't "other" imperialist nations do this? Why did Britain, France, Germany, the US, etc not choose to dominate single industries, but instead all produced cars, aircraft, electronics, machinery, medical equipment, etc for export instead of just choosing one industry to dominate each?
>Erm it's easy to sew on buttonsNot in the quantities and for the cost Bangladesh can do it. Please answer the question of whether clothing (particularly inexpensive clothing) is more or less essential than computer chips.
>>2203672>I thought were funny was Little BritainYikes
>Trigger Happy TVBased
>>2203655anon i'm 35. I promise you this was never funny, you were just 12 and special needs.
>>2203669>What is a single good English comedy program?<noo it cant be OLDwhy though?
>>2203913>I would say The League of GentlemenThis is when we reached peak comedy, yes.
Monkey Dust too.
>>2204178If you want to go to war, go to war.
This fantasizing and obsessing over war people like larpers and airsofters do is incredibly unhealthy.
>>2204996I don't think you can learn it by larping as SAS soldiers with airsoft at all, there's a reason why separatist groups usually get actual training from some other, sympathetic state (even if only because the enemy of my enemy is my friend) that has the resources to train and supply the guerillas.
The nature of tacticool special forces operator shit is likely a different kettle of fish all together to armed struggle against an entire state.
>>2205941a boss bought me that shit from waterstones because i would only refer to him as the bourgeoisie.
Jokes on him it made me hate his people more, but at least now we know we buys this shit, namely middle aged booj who have never read it but think it's a good tool to attack any perceived radicalism with.
>>2206112We were talking about Gulag Archipelago, you schizophrenic, not once did i tell you who i have posters of.
Hate how the jannies stopped moderating this thread so much we literally attract schizo's now.
>>2206196They are all shit holes is the point. They typically are run in secret and have a tyrannical leader suppressing the plebs. Or are you just going to ignore this?
>>2206182shut up you tart
>>2206955>They are all shit holes is the point. They typically are run in secret and have a tyrannical leader suppressing the plebs. Or are you just going to ignore this?You're trying to make a point that communism creates shithole while listing a capitalist nation and saying "so what?" over it.
The only logical conclusion is that you must kill yourself, immediately, as in you much start now but the method can be slow and painful if you want to do right by the thread
>>2206957I'm saying if the shoe fits. Maybe it creates shitholes, maybe shitholes gravitate to the crude 'grug leader stronk' power structure? I don't know, I'm just asking ho you reconcile that. It doesn't look like you do and have your head up your arse.
"This time it will be different".
>>2206958You don't.
See (or read posts from)
North Korean.
Posters.
HEre (or on any other internet board)
You get it? Because the tubby funster in charge will have them eviscerated.
>>2208094You are saying that in order to be X, you have to actively practice X in some manner, and not merely ideologically align with X
Which implies you think I do no praxis, which is wrong, I simply pointed out no organisation in this country aligns with me specifically
Besides it's standard English convention that a person is a conservative, socialist, fascist, if they simply hold beliefs of that ideology - not only if they specifically partake in action in support of that ideology
Is a racist not a racist if hates black people and say as much, but doesn't actively assault black people? Of course he is still a racist
You are attempting to play semantics but you are doing it wrong
>>2208097Because council communism and libertarian socialism are soo weird and zany and outlandish and holding those positions attention seeker behaviour, but being (insert your ideologic position) is totally mainstream and drab
Grow up and develop a modicum of self awareness
>>2208115>Marx flag>Luxemburg/ council communism is a utopian idealist ideology You are clinically insane
>>2208232if a tree falls in the woods, is it a racist?
You don't practice communism. You don't live under a communist state. You cannot be a communist on your own, the clue is in the name.
>>2207619CPGB-PCC would but they are also in the process of trying to dissolve themselves into a wider party through The Prometheus Journal. If you lean more on the anti-authoritarian side of things I'd recommend Plan C too, which are starting to wake from their slumber. Also get involved in some Apoist kurdish groups if they exist in your area (London, Glasgow, Manchester, Sheffield, Liverpool, Bristol, Exeter).
>>2208117DEFINITELY NOT THE RCP they are student posh-trots.
>>2208303What kurish groups exist in Bristol, anon?
I looked around Newrez but didn't see anything. Thanks.
>>2208412Is there a way to open these images without signing up? :(
>>2208413>American here, why is Kier Starmer such a bitch? Because he's the deep state candidate who was given power after they soft-couped Corbyn.
>>2208434>soft-couped CorbynCorbyn allegedly (although no actual evidence was provided) made 'antisemitic' remarks.
Starmer is a jewish convert, is married to one.
These are just coincidences.
>>2208446Here is their email:
[email protected]If they dont respond reach out to the national org:
[email protected].
They will be able to put you in touch with local kurdish groups also. Has worked well for me.
>>2208446>>2208448Figure i'll keep an eye on and go to their events if they do any, thanks.
>>2208447shut up.
>>2209570It's important to know and understand what terms mean before using them. It seems to be a recurring problem, particularly with lefty politics.
If 'political class' includes political commentators then you can pick any viewpoint you like and there will be someone out there who holds that opinion. J'ahgetmeh?
>>2208448Do you know the bris crew? How are they? Do I need to watch my Language and etc?
Know some of the older guys who went to fight nut that's it.
The average Brit is a racist, very right wing, loves Boris, loves Farage, loves Thatcher and Churchill, loves the monarchy, hates immigrants, hates trans people, hates green energy, thinks the rich shouldn't be taxed, thinks Reform will save the NHS rather than selling it off, reads the Daily Mail / Daily Express / Telegraph.
There is no helping or saving this country.
>>2209650Wrong, the majority of voters are like that, the problem with the average brit is that they're against all of those things.. but they're also against all policies that would achieve the opposite effect.
As in
>Yeah I hate that billionaires can amass huge amounts of money and buy themselves a yacht after sacking half their workforce<But I also don't want to deincentivise hard work or punish hard workers with taxes, if someone works hard then they deserve any amount they earnso they're immovably quagmired in a moral conundrum, which inevitably results in people who don't give a toss about morals running circles around them.
>>2210644I will explain in depth.
The magic white box in your loft or garage has to handle 5-10 KW of power, that's a lot of power. Water has a high specific heat capacity and it takes a lot of energy to send hot water around your home.
You expect this magic white box, within around 2 seconds, to fire up and start sending you hot water to your taps. You expect it to do this efficiently, quietly and reliably.
This is a tall order for any technology, but not outside expectation. Now, what happens next, is Mr Barratt comes along and instead of spending say £15,000 on a wonderous device that your daily life would be an utter shambles without, he wants to spend £6000 on it, using bargain basement parts and the cheapest labour possible.
Your expectations are the same.
Computer, Switch off safety protocols and lock the holodeck doors. Engage.
>>2210644*edit
just looked it up, it's around 24kW to 40kW, which is as much power as an electric car.
>>2210938So that's what happened to funni socdem flag.
RIP. Boring actor man was right, we must ban all knives.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/palantir-boss-interview-keir-starmer-gets-aiTwo nazis in a trenchcoat and their trillion dollar investment firm in """"""artificial intelligence"""""" comes to help the UK's "ailing" service sector.
Kid Starver is a fucking retard on top of being an evil prick
>>2209650The only trvthnvke acceptable.
>>2209655The entire U.K.
>>2209677>Getting accused of rape from 20+ years agosus as fuck
probably made up just like how they accused assange of rape to shut him up
>>2213724>yeah but we can look after our own natural resources surely?the answer is also no. the empire is too busy simply surviving to actually look after its holdings. if you expect these feckless morons to argue about fishing rights, i dunno what to tell you. they buckle every time against nimbys when putting down power infrastructure, never mind against foreign countries, never mind against the whole EU trading bloc
if fishing rights is what you care about, leaving the eu only did damage to this cause not helped it
>>2213867*why don't the general public support protecting it
is what I mean
>>2213865ok, let me attempt to explain it in a series of points that each feed into the next one:
1. fish do not understand nor care about maritime borders. this means that depending on (insert hundreds of conditions here) the fish may be sitting overwhelmingly in UK waters this year, or they may be sitting overwhelmingly in EU waters this year. good luck predicting what will happen
2. humans are precious about their borders, so if a trawler goes after fish into some other country's maritime borders, you get the equivalent of this retardation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars3. to prevent annual retardation and literal wars over some fishing trawlers, european countries with atlantic fishing fleets negotiate quotas with each other so they can stop chasing each other over unenforcable lines in the sea like dumbasses
4. global warming and the economy is fucking over the fishermen, they keep overfishing more and more, the fish are depleting fast
5. we are here. brexit notwithstanding, this was a problem regardless as every country in the EU (and since brexit: the UK outside of the EU) wants to protect its own fishermen, but the harsh answer is that they all (including the UK) need to cut back on fishing, but nobody (and least of all the fishermen) wants to hear that. We are now in a prisoner's dilemma situation on account of how fishing is organised in europe
the end result:
https://anglingtrust.net/2025/03/27/2025-uk-eu-fishing-agreement-no-progress-on-sustainability/now to your question of how come the uk doesn't just tell the eu to fuck off: see point 2 about the cod wars and how it wont stop anyone because neither fish nor fishermen give a fuck about maritime borders, and it'll only lead to a daily news segment about some destroyer chasing trawlers again or having a weird standoff with the french or something stupid like that.
an additional point about why the uk government truly doesnt give a fuck: everything else is collapsing around them, they dont care about fish. once the fishing stocks collapse and the industry along with them, they'll have some commiserations to offer and that's that.
>>22139861. I understand fish move around, doesn't change the fact their habitat needs to be protected
2. The cod wars resulted in Finland(?) having a well manage cod source because they took control of their waters.
3. Negotiations as far as I am aware back from the bojo days were that the E.U would gradually fuck off over the course of 5 years because we no longer have an obligation to support those greedy cunts.
4. see carefeul management involved in (2)
5. The North sea is a bountiful resource and should easily support this country with careful management.
So your overall answer is "the fishermen don't care". Well why does anyone do anything legal then? Fuck it.
>>2213996barry from madchester might not give a shit about the fish, but what I can't wrap my head around is the cognitive dissonance of Tarquin the bleeding heart lefty from Kent who is mad keen on stopping oil and smashing 'imperialism' but hasn't a word to say about the North Sea being pillaged?
He just loves the EU too damn much?
>>2214041Well why should environmentalists really care about who fishes what. I mean yeah, I guess you have a point in general that we should protect our natural resources but hardly enough for me to care about this case more than anything else.
>>2214045I think eating meat should be abolished in general so maybe I'm not the best person to ask
>>2214017>Well why does anyone do anything legal then?the fishermen would happily fish everything to extinction without regulation. now imagine you're a government, you at least pretend to try to think in the long term: overfishing to extinction is a bad idea for a whole bunch of reasons, so you think "i'm going to give my fishermen quotas so they don't overfish it".
a month later hughie the fisher comes to you all pissed like, he's like "my lordship you told me that i can only bring in this many tons of fish a year, but these fuckers from norway are bringing in twice that and they are laughing all the way to the bank, how the fuck am i supposed to compete with this?"
so what do you do? you call the norwegians and tell them that you can both either agree to an equal quota, or you will put the quota for your fishermen to their level to maintain their profits. if you dont agree to the deal, you will both compete with each other leading to overfishing to extinction and probably some stupid international incidents. if you agree to the deal, you will be forever locked in negotiations over expanding or reducing the quota, most of the time you will agree on a deal that is ultimately shitty for the environment that everyone involved will hate anyway (so international relations academics would call this a "W").
now imagine that but throw in 10 more countries into the mix and you get the EEA UK fishing area.
tl;dr everybody is out for their own interests and this means the environment gets fucked over, same as in any high competitiveness situation. solve this problem and you have a blueprint on how to achieve world peace, and not just a bunch of fair and sustainable fishing deals
it goes without saying btw that i hate this situation, but unless we have a socialist world republic i don't see how the fuck this will be fixed since you have to get everyone to agree to just stop fucking fishing like crazy, which none of them want to do
>>2214031tarquin the bleeding heart from kent is sitting in jail for spilling paint over some painting in a gallery to "just stop oil", he's too worried about his upcoming high court trial to have an opinion on fishing
on a less hyperbolic note:
it really just goes back to the fact that fishermen are such a tiny and out of the way part of the electorate, they mostly get left to their own devices from everyone, the left included. it doesnt help that the brit left doesnt really care enough to have a comprehensive blueprint on HOW to save the environment, aside from nebulous shit like "just stop oil". but then our government is so far away from even acknowledging that this is a serious issue, that creating blueprints on "how" is probably considered as completely immaterial, aside from fucking with tax reliefs or something equally pointless as that.
>>2214088farmers are a tiny part pf the electorate, but you've seen the literal shitstorm they can create.
It's a natural habitat, like the rainforest or any other, there is no reason to passionately protect one and not the other.
>>2198404Non-ML british left is fascist, exhibit #482748
>>2199942They’re irredeemable
>>2216006*cheque
I've let myself down, I've let the team down
>>2216099Yes, as I said it's called the tragedy of the commons.
It's not the EEC common fishery, it is U.K waters. We are not in the EU, we are no longer beholden to provide access to our fishing waters to the whole of the EU membership. This isn't complicated.
>>2214626>Eliminate over fishing, remove the communal aspect of our fishing waters and let them recover.again, i covered this already so lets recap:
1. fish dont care about borders, and yes they will go to EU maritime zone to get overfished there while your own fishermen cry about no income. the next year when the fish come back, your fishermen will cry again about the catch being too small on account of the EU overfishing
2. the most you can do in this situation is unilateral subsidies to keep them afloat while they have no work, but for that you need to get the neolibs to fuck off first
3. overfishing will continue until EVERYONE agrees to stop. this is why i brought up the prisoners dilemma. what's your solution for getting the EU to stop overfishing IN THEIR MARITIME BORDERS (not the UK's) that you share the fish with?
>>2216106ok, so you didn't read the rest of the post, given that the point wasn't the tragedy of the commons (we all already know about this, it's not even in dispute), but rather that you have to cooperate in order to save the environment, you can't do it in an adversarial way unless your plan is to literally conquer the EU.
read my recap below and answer that instead
>>2216110 >>2216110Fish don't care about borders, no, but if areas of sea have been looked after i.e not scraped to eath by Spanish super trawlers, they are going to stand a better chance of being more attractive to more fish. REGARDLESS, it is a natural habitat and it is within our power to protect it. If nothing else that should be enough to convince a lot of people.
Overfishing can stop overnight if you simply grow some bollocks an tell them to FUCK OFF. I may as well just walk into your house and fuck your wife with that cuck attitude. jesus christ.
>>2216115>but if areas of sea have been looked after i.e not scraped to eath by Spanish super trawlers, they are going to stand a better chance of being more attractive to more fish.this is not in dispute in the slightest. but you have to get the spanish government to agree to it.
alternatively you can have the cod wars all over again, but that didn't work out so well.
i don't have a solution because i genuinely can't see one that would be more effective than the current shitshow, unless you want me to say that we should have world socialism in which case i am in complete agreement
>>2216128Ah we're moving onto 'it was tried' now are we? Oh well if it was tried then that's it then. Glad we cleared that up.
The cod wars WORKED for iceland, and for their cod. The spanish have an abundance of sunlight, you don't see us going over there to rig up solar farms do you? Stick to our own back yard.
>>2216130Whenever you are in an ethical conundrum like this, just ask yourself "what would isreal do?"
- shoot them
>>2216131>The cod wars WORKED for iceland, and for their cod.do you know why they worked? because they ran to NATO to bully britain into accepting their terms lmao
who will you run to when the EU tells you to fuck off with your enforcement?
>>2216136So it's now a logistical problem? Can the goalposts move any further mate?
>who will you run to when the EU tells you to fuck offThe best way to stop a bully is to beat the absolute shit out of them.
>>2216134unironically based.
there really are only two options:
1. either get everyone to the table and agree to a deal that will be shit for everyone but good for the environment
2. start a war over the fish
fwiw i do actually believe that if the cucks in charge cared more and were willing to do a little bit more brinksmanship with the other involved countries, better terms could potentially be achieved. but as these things go, everything comes at a political cost in other areas.
>>2216203*whether
a lot of talk of weather recently
>>2216181Do you think we should build more statues of slavers?
>>2216195>>2216203Picrel
>>2216913>Why is Starmer and the Labour government opposing the democratic wishes of the people?MP's saying they support it theoretically, not that they would back such a motion.
It all boils down to basically everyone being held over a barrel on the issue by the Murdoch press.
>>2217034 (me)
a lot of MP's privately even would go further and are broadly in favour of more widepread drug decriminalization, same with many ranking police, as they tend to be closer to the issue and have seen the reports and evidence. But again, it is the press, careerist self-interest and fear of a public execution in the media.
>>2217529Leninhat does not live in the valleys, he is from Yorkshire where he works at a solar pannel factory.
>>2217535I love riots. Unironically really fun
Btw I just got convicted today XD
>>2217906It's infuriating being arrested for not doing the thing… I got arrested once for not breaking a building, just standing outside. It was a bank holiday weekend too so 3 days in a cell.
Fuck i hate filth, judges, legalfags, the lot of them.
>>2217956I hate you and i am now glad you got arrested.
Theres nothing worse than being arrested, being put in a cell, then on top of that not even getting some peace and quiet because some crackhead spaz decided to impotently scream (and usually bang on the door) for hours at a time.
Screaming isn't changing anything. you're just making everyones life worse and more stressful.
Literally the scum of the earth. worst than the cops because unlike them you do it for free.
>>2218695Stop slandering leninhat. Leninhat would never do something as lumpenprole as selling drugs.
He'd be murdering the kid instead for being the spawn of a bourgeois family.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPefRpH6MckChannel 4 did a documentary about the fascist / neo-nazi Patriotic Alternative group and how they're grooming kids, commiting crime, and have many BNP and ex-National Action members in their ranks.
At 11 minutes in, 2 PA members + the undercover C4 journo are out posting their Nazi leaflets, and get jumped and beaten up by anti-fascist / leftist youths.
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop but I had no idea there's people active on the left in the UK willing to confront nazis out directly like that, but it does make me smile, we're far past the point of needing it given Reform UK could well win next time. No idea how people even find others irl with similar enough aims to do that kinda stuff tho.
And for what it's worth, if you spend a literal WHOLE YEAR leafleting and actively promoting a neo-nazi group it doesn't matter if you were an "undercover journalist", you were still literally promoting nazism so the beating was still well deserved.
Don't check the comments either, it's exactly what you expect.
>>2219535once again i'm vindicated in saying these groups are all a collection of undercover journalists, cops and antifascists with a few tag along low functioning autistics. This little cottage industry of spectacle is all that keeps these grouplets alive.
>>2219535>Maybe I'm totally out of the loop but I had no idea there's people active on the left in the UK willing to confront nazis out directly like thatThere litery always has been btw, but it's useless ritualistic nonsense used for people to prove their masculinity to each other, none of these freaks are a threat to being a street presence. If people want to batter them for fun, thats fine should just be honest about what it's about and not confuse it for sincere political praxis.
>>2220011Good to here, yea, they all seemed pretty young, maybe uni students but maybe a bit younger, could be wrong but either way they seemed different than the usual archetype of the kind of students the leftist parties recruit and burn through. How is the relationship between the, presumably a fair bit older, leadership and the zoomer new blood?
It was nice to see the big CP flag on the demo anyways.
>>2219945No they can just "force the plant to remain open" whatever that means.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/12/bill-to-save-british-steels-scunthorpe-furnaces-approved-by-parliament>While MPs debated the legislation, the Times reported that workers at the Scunthorpe plant had prevented Chinese executives from Jingye from gaining access to key areas of the steelworks.This is also a funny titbit. Fuck it occupy the factory seize the steelworks.
>>2220135>private companylol
>cannot affordwhen you refuse free materials and do international sabotage to make a country rely on your production
Honestly, do people at the Guardian or UK media in general every notice the cognitive dissonance when they have "hard discussions" about the Muslim community, and things like a potential Islamophobia definition, then remember how they acted towards anybody who dared even inferred the Jewish community might be the slightly bit biased toward Israel, or that the Antisemitism defintion was clearly going to be used to attack critics of Israel, and mentioning Israel or Zionism at all as part of an "Antisemitism" defintion was clearly not really justified?
It honestly comes off pretty mental that literally you have half of Parliament against a Islamophobia definition because of "Free Speech" but these exact same people were in meltdown over people criticising the clearly bad faith IHRA definition, that actually has been used to shut down free speech.
Like honestly how did Guardian journos actually bring themselves to go around with David Baddiel and pretend that Antisemitism was "the only form of bigotry not taken seriously in the UK", fucking unreal.
>>2222141Never forget that 2 UK elections were basically rigged by Israel and it's lobby groups like the BoD, CAAS, LAAS, JLM.
Reminder that the Jewish Labour movement was literally refounded in 2016 by an Israeli lobbyist for the express purpose of taking down Corbyn.
Reminder that Israeli UK embassy officials put bounties on the heads of MPs that were "not loyal to Israel".
>>2227573How did TRA's think they would win this? They have no definition of a woman that isnt constantly morphing gobdlygook every time there is a new Trender goalpost shift.
>>2227613Yep, it's largely based on metaphysical gnosticism. I think there is a strong argument for a third "non-binary" offical gender category, but denying the material reality, socialization and experiences and biology of biological women is a pretty dangerous step to take, and one I think the left massively misfired on.
The reality is as well, the TRA movement is extremely aggressive cult like and doesn't take questions or any constructive criticism well, and engages in mass censorship and abuse of people who dare even ask clarifying questions. I know for a fact, within the left, probably only a large minority unquestionably support TRAs (this is backed up by polling on specific positions as well, almost nobody in polling supports Transwomen in sports competing with biological women for example, yet on the left you have to pretend to support this shibboleth), but the rest have to stay quiet because they know the sort of "bigotry" blowback they get for speaking out.
Even here on Leftypol it's the quickest way to get banned, even if you are critiquing TRA Liberalism from a clearly Marxist/Materialist position, and almost no major Communist party supports the TRA ideology.
>>2228563If women can't compete against transwomen in sports (including intellectual ones like chess) then why should women ever be allowed to vote or take critical positions of power?
If you can't compete in a play-sport, why do you pretend you're as good as a "biological man" in something like running a company or nation?
PS: if you deported every transphobe you would notice a 92% reduction in the rightwing party according to polling. It is the most effective identifier for a rightoid, even outclassing things like "do you define yourself as a fiscal conservative" or "do you hate blacks" or "do you hate the poor"
>>2228860>>2228864Thermonuclear thrvth bomb from this anon i am afraid. Feminism as of today is just a grievance movement like zionism or diasporoid islamism, except they don't even put their bodies on the line like the other two and instead delegates the work to their leftist male submissives.
I disagree with your framing of terfs being "white nazi n shiet" it's a framing that's still stuck in cringe 2010 whitey bad leftism.
Outside of the UK in particular most terf and their allies are brown strivers, off-whites women, zogbots etc. They're very similar to the redpill manosphere in that aspect.
I agree they should be deported to their home country/el salvador and be politically disfranchised, though.
They also love to spend a big amount of time and political capital into demonizing young white males while ignoring brown male and muslim agressions i remarked. Netflix Adloscence brand of feminism. Gross.
This is why i always rejected the framing of terfs being right-wing, they do collaborate plenty with the right for sure, but it's because the latter got #raped so hard in the field of culture and ideas they became the old boomer left.
>"Everything is a social construct EXCEPT SEX!! Also don't you EVER EVER EVER EVER have sex with my daughter!!"This is the only ideology the right and feminism have anymore.
>>2228926uygha you people spent the last 20 years repeating the white man is evil, women are qveen even when they're not and islam is great now you wonder why everyone think you reeks of AIDS then you blame transhumanists for your impotence and unpopularity? Be serious you monkey.
I hate this country and everything it stands for.
I hate our government, our politicians, out courts, our media, the population that cheers on bigotry, hatred, and the scapegoating and stripping of rights from minorities.
I hate the so called "Communist" parties that despise me and wish I didn't exist, that hold reactionary social positions, positions that are directly promoted to them and funded by American fascists and religious nationalists.
The CPB and CPGB-ML hold positions on trans rights that have been denounced as bigoted and hateful cultural war distractions by actual socialist states, Cuba and Vietnam.
The CPC recognises the rights of trans women to exist in social life, and allows people to use whatever facilities make the most sense, unlike the social fascists of the CPB, CPGB-ML or the UK Labour regime. The DDR had more progressive trans policies than either the CPB, CPGB-ML, or current UK regime.
This is a Barbarian Fascist Zionist TERF shithole beyond being saved and I hope it burns to the ground.
Nobody who cheers as my basic human rights are stripped away to draw attention away from the massive growing wealth inequality is a comrade of mine.
I'm currently awaiting medical treatment for a physical health condition but as soon as that's sorted out I'll be saving up to leave for Ireland where for now at least my humanity is respected.
I dare any of you to try to provide an example of how in any way this is a win for women's rights. Please, try to explain what new rights a woman now has.
Because women already had the legal right to create single sex spaces where only AFAB individuals were allowed.
There are no new women's rights, only rights stripped away from transgender people.
All this now means is that a trans woman who never even went through a male puberty due to hormone blockers, who has a female ID, who has a pussy and tits from surgery and hormones - will now be legally forced into men's toilets, men's hospital wards, into men's prisons, into being groped, strip searched and assaulted by police MEN if she's arrested.
The TERFs, courts, and government (all the same tbh) can't even decide yet if this ruling means trans people are forced to now use the wrong bathrooms, or are barred from sexed bathrooms altogether.
Let's evaluate both options.
If we're forced to use the wrong facilities, how are you going to enforce that? The only option is chromosomal identification checks at each toilet door. That's unenforceable.
Again, with that option, look forward to burly bearded trans men with cocks going into women's changing rooms and bathrooms. That's the law now.
Look forward to the inevitable many cases of brutal violence and sexual assault against trans women using men's bathrooms too.
And if it's the alternative option, and we can't use either space, then what do you expect trans people to do? To take up disabled people's spaces? To piss and shit against walls and in bushes?
Do you expect every business and building in the country to rush to build transgender or unisex bathrooms and facilities?
No, in fact businesses are already considered removing ALL bathrooms, or removing women's bathrooms to make a unisex space.
This is the dumbest shit imaginable and it won't take long for the consequences to now play out. But hey, at least you can call us men as much as you want to our faces again and we just have to take it. Well done, so Socialist of you. I feel sick to be on this fucking island.
>>2232400>Almost three in five teachers said they believe social media use has had a negative effect on behaviour in schoolsfrom this article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crm3x92mpdxowhat does "Almost three in five" mean? Two in five? What utterly meaningless garbage.
>>2232429another doozy:
>Queues built up as bin collections are took place in Woodgate Valleywhat the fuck is happening, why is everyone a retard now?
>>2232508nothing, I forgot to delete that.
That being said, you are talking about the shiny jangling keys they are waving in front of you.
>>2228563As a point of "law" the pro-trans side had a very simple case:
1. They'd won their argument before in lower courts, and this was appealed upwards.
2: (this is a bit more long winded)
In 2004 the gender recognition act said that if you've got a certificate, your sex becomes what that certificate says for nearly all legal purposes (including not being able to marry someone or the same sex, or for the purposes of the sex discrimination act 1975)
In 2010 the equality act had protections for sec discrimination and also for gender reassignment. A rational interpretation of the government's intention at this point was to take an expansive view of rights, and that the GRA2004 affects this legislation like all others, since it doesn't specifically say "btw this doesn't apply to people who've got a GRC"
But instead, after a hearing where no trans people got to speak but anti-trans orgs could throw in ad-hoc statements at will, the supreme court has gone with "well when *this* law says women, it clearly doesn't mean everyone who is by-law a woman, it only means *common-sense* women*, not women who're legally women by virtue of a GRC. however it would also be proportionate to ban a trans man (logically, in this view, a woman) from single sex spaces too."
This effectively makes the GRA2004 worthless for those who don't like collecting certificates. It's a deranged interpretation of the intentions of the EA2010. (Cut out and keep that last sentence, it'll come up a lot!)
A good Marxist, or frankly any good politics understander, can see the motivations at play here. The law "isn't real", there isn't a magical "true" interpretation out there that the court finds -it makes one up when questions arise. so far as the law "is" real and the court merely interprets it, the supreme court's interpretation of it is deranged. What actually happened is that the people in power - including the judges! - don't like transgender people in public life and institutions serve the interests of power. It should be instructive for liberals: the law can't protect you when they're really out to get you.
You may agree with the outcome of the case, but the process has been transparently crooked. Scotland was allowed to pass gay marriage with no issues (despite it impacting on reserved matters) in a more socially liberal era, but then had its GRA reform bill vetoed for impacting on those same matters now that said liberal era is drawing to an end. The justification for this veto no longer holds thanks to this new interpretation of the EA2010, but it'll remain in place regardless. If things were running as they should, if institutions were fair and neutral, that would never happen.
The Judge who decided on the trans case formerly worked for the Church of Scotland, and informed their stance on gay rights.
Back then, he stated he believes homosexuality is a sin and that gay people must resist their urges to engage in any sexual activity, and it was his opinion that formed the church policy.
Why is a man with a history of stating his opposition to LGBT rights, and with strong links to the church, the one in charge of deciding the rights of every trans person in the UK?
Doesn't that seem like a conflict in interests?
The same man also met with 5 different TERF and anti-trans groups in deciding the supreme court case, and allowed them to present evidence and speak before the court.
He even went as far as to allow them to use evidence that wasn't submitted in advance, and so couldn't be viewed or questioned by the opposing side.
He, and the court, also refused to meet with single trans person or any pro-trans organisations, or to accept any evidence from them.
The entire thing is a farce. It will very easily be overturned as corrupt, nonsensical, and discriminatory by the ECHR, assuming we're still a member in several years time.
But if Farage has his way, we'll be out by then, and I can see Keir leaving the ECHR beforehand to try to win votes from Reform.
But by then we'll have seen trans people killed and committing suicide, so it will already be too late.
Until then, we have a literal apartheid for trans people, who can't use publicly facilities the rest of society are allowed to access.
As a final note: there is nothing communist about the CPB. The CPB hates minorities.
If you are a CPB member you might as well start wearing a swastika armband at this point.
>>2227613That's just a word salad. You're using terms without knowing their meaning. Pathetic. Go read a book, or preferably, take a knife and slit your wrists.
>>2228563>>2230167Mask off. What's this about 'TRAs' being misogynistic? Die you sexist scum. There is no space for this in the moveemnt. Comrades Lenin, Stalin and Mao would be disgusted by what you just said. Take the flag off because you are closer to Nazis than anyone else. Aw, trans people are being mean to you? Bullying you on the internet? Grow the fuck up. We experience worse on a daily basis. We are going to hang you on a lamp post you fascist scum, you have no place in the socialist movement and in fact you are likely a /pol/ refugee. If we see you and know what you are saying, we will inflict physical violence on you.
>>2231774Let's make our own group then, I've been trying to say this for years but nobody is actually going to do anything. It's right to shit on the social-fascist CPB, but we've got to take the next step after that.
>>2232400YWNBAW? You won't be alive.
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