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 No.219566[Last 50 Posts]

Why do you work a job, Anons? Is your life in 9-5 shifts really worth the bother?
Why play by the rules when they are so laughably stacked against you? Why do you not take what you need to live in your country though whatever criminal means you need to?
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 No.219572

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I already do
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 No.219573

I work because I'm a socialist and socialism is the ideology of the working man, not of the moocher or the lumpenprole. Reminder that anti-work anarkiddies will be subject to forced labor under socialism
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 No.219575

>>219573
Stop jacking off to early 20th century Soviet propaganda.
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 No.219576

>>219573
Based.
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 No.219579

>>219573
>Socialism is when you work and the harder youre exploited work the socialister it is
Read Marx anytime
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 No.219582

>>219573
don't glorify slavery
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 No.219583

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 No.219585

>>219575
>>219579
>>219582
t. people who wouldn't even want to work under socialism
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 No.219586

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 No.219587

>>219585
Stop trying to predict what a socialist society will be like in the far future. :^)
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 No.219592

>>219575
>>219579
>>219582
>>219583
>waaaaa working is literally Hitler!
>so what if all socialist states had a policy that those who can work and dont wont be allowed to eat, I dont wanna!
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 No.219593

>>219592
When will retards like you understand we're not living under socialism?
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 No.219595

>>219587
Why wouldn't it be the same in the future as it is in the present? Socialism is the final revolution, to imply that there's going to be reforms down the line implies problems with socialism, and if that's what you're implying then congratulations you're not a socialist.

>>219593
Socialism wont get rid of work, if anything there will be more of it
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 No.219598

>>219595
> Socialism wont get rid of work, if anything there will be more of it
work for work's sake is the most braindead take ive seen on this site.
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 No.219601

>>219595
Socialism will make more work in an absolute sense because it will eradicate unemployment, but almost certainly decrease the laboring daytime.
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 No.219602

>>219595
>if anything there will be more of it
So when we get socialism we're going to smash all robots for some fucking reason?
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 No.219603

>>219601
>>219595
oh, also
>Socialism is the final revolution, to imply that there's going to be reforms down the line implies problems with socialism, and if that's what you're implying then congratulations you're not a socialist.
fucking brainlet tier take. Like you're actually either a cultist or an idiot.
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 No.219606

>>219598
It's not for work's sake, you need the work to grow those productive forces.
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 No.219607

>>219603
its extra ironic because Stalin wanted to reduce the working day to like 5 hours (as a start no less).

>>219606
see above.
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 No.219608

>>219601
>>219602
People will be inspired to work harder and longer based on knowledge that they are working for the commonwealth of the collective whole rather than just for themselves, so yes. I fail to see why that's somehow incompatible with socialism just because you lack spirit.

>>219603
Spoken like a true idealist. Let me guess, you think that socialism is something that you can have "too much of", right? And that roads are socialism? Socialism is an all or nothing deal, even the most braindead anarkiddie knows this. If you're not totally committed to socialism and its absolute superiority then you're a counterrevolutionary. Or did you look to the future and find an ideology better than socialism?
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 No.219611

>>219606
>>219608
> It's not for work's sake
< People will be inspired to work harder and longer based on knowledge
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 No.219612

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 No.219615

>>219608
>People will be inspired to work harder and longer based on knowledge that they are working for the commonwealth of the collective whole rather than just for themselves
This is LITERALLY fascist rhetoric. Like, exactly what some nazi who knows a little bit about their own theory would say. What the fuck?
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 No.219618

>>219566
Because I'm not smart enough to not get caught uygha
If I could digitally pirate food I would
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 No.219620

>>219573
You will never be a communist.
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 No.219622

>>219611
Not the same poster, there's 8 people here.
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 No.219630

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>anglo protestants go to sleep(they have to wake up an hour early to do their boss a favor before clocking in)
<leftypol becomes 300% more communist
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 No.219636

>>219566
>Why do you not take what you need to live in your country though whatever criminal means you need to?
Because criminals are usually more difficult and risky than legal means.
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 No.219637

>>219585
And that's bad because…?
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 No.219640

>>219637
Sorry, comrade, you're being undialectical. To the gulag with you.
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 No.219643

>>219595
>Socialism wont get rid of work, if anything there will be more of it
Google "bullshit jobs". TL;DR: capitalism has a lot of busy work that could easily be eliminated under socialism.
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 No.219651

>>219573
>>219585
>>219592
>>219595
>>219601
>>219606
>>219608
>>219640

The only person in this entire thread so far who is an actual dedicated socialist rather than a lumpen wrecker or radlib.
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 No.219654

>>219651
>Under Socialism we will work even more for the Greater Good
Is fashoid logic
>Lumpen wrecker
<Stealing from porkies and porklets totally wrecks socialism!
You people would have denounced Stalin and other bolsheviks
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 No.219659

>>219651
> “It would be wrong to think that such a substantial advance in the cultural standard of the members of society can be brought about without substantial changes in the present status of labour. For this, it is necessary, first of all, to shorten the working day at least to six, and subsequently to five hours. This is needed in order that the members of society might have the necessary free time to receive an all round education."

t. Stalin a notable radlib
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 No.219660

>>219573
>>219651
Why do conservative leftoids love terms like "radlib", "lumpen" or "anarkiddie"?
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 No.219662

>>219660
Because theyre synonyms for n*ggers, non"whites", migrants, poor, homeless, unemployed and anyone thats not a petty bouj reactionary
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 No.219663

>>219643
people employed in useless things under capitalism will have productive work under socialism. work hours may decrease and it'll be better than capitalism, but the workforce won't shrink and work won't disappear like the NEETs ITT think.
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 No.219666

NEET is a compliment. btw.
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 No.219668

>>219663
This is literally all conjecture. Useless conjecture, may I add.
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 No.219669

>>219663
>the workforce won't shrink and work won't disappear like the NEETs ITT think.
Eh, I am not so sure. On the one hand, socialism would (ideally) make work unnecessary for survival and thus completely optional, so some people might drop out of the workforce without having the fear of destitution driving them. On the other hand, people might just get bored if they don't work and thus few would actually drop out of the workforce, at least for extended periods of time. Socialism would also (hopefully) make all or most work more pleasant, and thus people would see work less as a necessary evil and more as an actually enjoyable activity.
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 No.219672

>>219659
Stalin didn't go nearly far enough, he purged actual socialists like Gastev who would have realized humanity's true potential
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 No.219686

>>219654
Yeah because it's really Porky with his gated community and security guards and bodyguards who has to worry about having drugs pushed on him or getting mugged in a dark alleyway huh? Fuck off with your nonsense it is always the proles who suffer from your retarded antics.
>>219659
There is a difference between reduction in working hours brought about by greater productivity and the
<wahh i dun wanna work
bs being pushed in this thread
furthermore, this will probably not even happen because less need for work in one sector means that the central planners can decrease the labour force and move them to another field that still requires more hours
>>219660
>>219662
projection off the charts from people who would have been sentenced via parasitism law in Actually Existing Socialism. Socialists usually takes power after a brutal civil war where infrastructure has been destroyed and technology/capital/technical capability and skilled workers have fled and you fucktards think you're going to be sipping drinks on a beach while robots work in the back.
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 No.219693

>>219686
I dont sell drugs lol
Tell me, how am I "wrecking" socialism here … by stealing from firstoids?
>Actually Existing Socialism
Again we dont fucking live under socialism
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 No.219701

>>219668
>This is literally all conjecture. Useless conjecture, may I add.
Communism is when you daydream about le based socialist state and the more dreams you have the more communist it is.
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 No.219703

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>>219686
> communism is actually just working all the time
this is literally the worst ideology in existence
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 No.219705

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>>219686
>accusing others of being "idealists" while espousing literal , actual ahistorical idealism
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 No.219706

>>219686
Good to see /leftypol/'s deradicalization campaign is working so effectively.
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 No.219707

>>219703
Which streamer are you, acceleration flag?
polite sage
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 No.219708

>>219703
You're just looking for an excuse to not do anything. I bet you're a coomer too
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 No.219710

>>219708
Work fetishist and a prude, too!
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 No.219714

>>219703
>You're just looking for an excuse to not do anything.
>not do anything.
>anything
MFW cannot comprehend activity outside of working.
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 No.219715

>>219710
Cope. 90% of these threads are made by /r9k/ Neets under the facade of hating wageslavery but they actually don't want to do anything.
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 No.219717

>>219715
We will replace wage slavery with wage slavery minus the wage part.
That's how communism works, right?
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 No.219720

>>219717
anon its not slavery when there's a central planner. It says so in the manifesto.
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 No.219723

>>219573
>Reminder that anti-work anarkiddies will be subject to forced labor under socialism
What happens if i don't huh??!!!
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 No.219725

>>219717
Also I like how these posters are the literal caricature of commies espoused by neocons online.
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 No.219727

>>219725
We have way too many users that look at CIA propaganda and think This Is True And Good, Actually.
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 No.219728

>>219717
All of human existence is defined by slavery and it always will be. Under communism, men will not be slaves to individuals, but they must be slaves to their group. Otherwise, they will invariably become slaves of another group who doesn't have their best interests at heart. Your work-free utopia is just that, a utopia, something that will never happen.
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 No.219730

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>>219717
>>219720
Sorry. Socialism needs healthy, productive and creative people who want to build it and participate in it, not autistic NEETs who want to spend their lives in front of a computer and never contribute to society in any way.
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 No.219731

Because I need to feed myself and pay rent
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 No.219733

>>219573
Extremely based, I haven't seen the reply but based on the sheer number you just know anarkiddies are seething
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 No.219734

>>219728
This can't not be a troll attempt at this point.

>>219730
He Cute is the poster image of NEETs. Try again.
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 No.219736

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>>219728
>Communism is fascism
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 No.219743

Not even gonna lie but being a NEET under capitalism feels pretty based tho, I am legit mentally ill but even if I wasn't the most based option may be to go on welfare regardless. Why would I work for Amazon or some garbage? Fuck off.
Being an academic would be pretty comfy too though if I had a working brain
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 No.219744

>>219736
Ah "fascism", the ever predictable word screeched by the liberal when he is confronted with a socialist with principles that wont put up with his lumpen bullshit. I guess Stalin was fascist too? And Mao? And any socialist state to ever exist was actually fascism?
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 No.219746

>>219743
>Being an academic would be pretty comfy too though if I had a working brain
<the anarkiddie openly admits to wanting to become part of the intelligentsia serving on behalf of porky
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 No.219747

>>219744
Read a thread before posting because you just got proven wrong on Stalin ever agreeing with your bullshit.
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 No.219748

>>219727
>>219725
It is burger kids whos soul conception of communism is that bad thing the government warned them about.
I gurantee you the exact same anons are the posters who see CIA under every bed, whos whole world-view is seen through around american imperialist interests though.
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 No.219751

>>219747
Stalin would have anti-work autists like you shot. I for one think that's a bit too kind and am in favor of you being worked to death.
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 No.219753

>>219744
>>219751
Stalin helped fund the bolsheviks by robbing banks, counterfeiting, extortion… lol
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 No.219754

>>219746
Ahh I'm so owned fagguette
What the shit are you even meaning retard? You know being a wageslave is working for porky too right?
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 No.219756

>>219746
><the anarkiddie openly admits to wanting to become part of the intelligentsia serving on behalf of porky
Fuck off, wtf do you think most marxist and ML theoryautists do?
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 No.219757

>>219730
This, tbh.
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 No.219758

>>219753
Stalin also valued hard work and only targeted the bourgeoisie, not other proles.

>>219754
My point is that you better get used to working, because it will be mandatory by the time socialism comes around. Better to have actual skills than to be put in a labor camp for being a NEET.

>>219756
Philosophy doesn't mean jack shit if it's not backed up with action. Early Marxists like Marx himself can be forgiven for inaction due to the total lack of socialist organizations, but in this day and age if you're not actively contributing to the revolution with every fiber of your being then you're just dead weight, and snooty ivory tower intellectuals are the deadest weights of all.
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 No.219762

>>219758
Roko's basilisk but with the revolution.
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 No.219767

>>219758
>by the time socialism comes around
Ain't jackshit coming around, maybe after civilization reconstitutes itself after the climate apocalypse.
And academia is work. Why you think I can't do it already? There's schedules, deadlines, research. I can't keep a schedule cuz of schizo breakdowns. one route I wish I could go is the Parenti historian one, that would be good use of historian academic experience and I would feel passion for it. Definitely doesn't serve the bourgeoisie like you say and would take "real work" too, just in the brain and not so much the muscles
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 No.219768

>>219703
Not all the time but if you refuse to labour and have no insurmountable physical or mental disabilities you will be forced to do it.
>>219705
<Mentioning the historical circumstances of how pretty much every socialist regime has taken power being in complete contradiction to "no need to work" retardation is somehow classified in your mind as "ahistorical idealism"
You absolute mongoloid I'm sure Russia or China or Cuba post civil war were all 1 step away from Star Trek huh? How stupid are you to attack me for some mythical idealism and ahistoricism when there are people IN THIS VERY THREAD insisting that no one will be doing any work and espousing an absolutely non-historical as well as idealistic perspective?
>>219706
>WORKING=/POL/
kill yourself retard
as pointed out by >>219715 /r9k/ was infected with rightoids if anything matches up with /pol/ attitudes it's you idiots wanting to do nothing.
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 No.219778

A country which ceased work ceases to exist. Work is a fundamental part of what it means to be humanity. There is always improvement to the system that can be made.
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 No.219779

>>219758
>only targeted the bourgeoisie, not other proles.
What do you think I do lol? Western banks and petty bouj are "proles" now?
>if it's not backed up with action.
And what have you done besides fantasizing about killing people for not wanting to work under capitalism?
>>219768
>Not wanting to be exploited under capitalism == not wanting to do anything
Retard strawman
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 No.219785

>>219778
>Work is a fundamental part of what it means to be humanity.
Not even a Stirnerite but now THIS is a spook. Work makes us human, guys!
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 No.219786

>>219768
>r9k/ was infected with rightoids if
t. wasn't on /r9k/ back then
People like me just left. It got way shittier over time and the neet threads got kinda stale though I post them on /pol/ occasionally still to troll
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 No.219787

>>219693
If you don't hook proles onto drugs and aren't prostituting yourself or involved in gang activity then BY DEFINITION you are not lumpen. Stealing an apple to feed yourself or clothes to dress yourself is not fucking lumpen behaviour but getting into gang shootouts and killing innocents in crossfire, or hooking fellow proles onto addictive substances or vices, or scamming proles, is lumpen. It's not that fucking hard to understand.
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 No.219793

>>219566
Lmao, I'm already a shoplifter, I refund scam from amazon whenever I need things, and if I'm hungry a tell GrubHub/seamless that my food came cold and I get a full refund. I also have food stamps, unemployment, and welfare
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 No.219802

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>>219601
This.
>The old mode of production must therefore be revolutionised from top to bottom, and in particular the former division of labour must disappear. Its place must be taken by an organisation of production in which, on the one hand, no individual can throw on the shoulders of others his share in productive labour, this natural condition of human existence; and in which, on the other hand, productive labour, instead of being a means of subjugating men, will become a means of their emancipation, by offering each individual the opportunity to develop all his faculties, physical and mental, in all directions and exercise them to the full — in which, therefore, productive labour will become a pleasure instead of being a burden. Today this is no longer a fantasy, no longer a pious wish. With the present development of the productive forces, the increase in production that will follow from the very fact of the socialisation of the productive forces, coupled with the abolition of the barriers and disturbances, and of the waste of products and means of production, resulting from the capitalist mode of production, will suffice, with everybody doing his share of work, to reduce the time required for labour to a point which, measured by our present conceptions, will be small indeed.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch25.htm
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 No.219804

>>219779
>waaaaa ur making a strawman
>waaa strawman
Just look at OP's image and try saying that again with a straight face. This sort of shit can also be spread around under actually existing socialism and if you think that isn't a potential problem you're delusional.
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 No.219808

>>219787
>Prostitution is comparable to scamming proles
I guess you are "anti-degeneracy" too?
>>219793
Incoming petty boug rage lol
>>219801
Do you also oppose strikes?
>Can also… under socialism
Were not living under socialism so who cares
>if you think that isn't a potential problem
It isnt. The problem isnt people refusing to work, its not enough people refusing to work
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 No.219810

>>219802
>let me quote insert random utopian here to back up my utopian bullshit(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.219812

>>219808
Strikes under socialism are counterproductive since the government already represents the workers, so yes any socialist worth their salt would be against the idea of strikes. They're pointless activism under capitalism, and active sabotage under socialism.
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 No.219813

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>>219778
>A country which ceased work ceases to exist
BASED
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 No.219814

>>219810
Obvious bait.
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 No.219818

>>219810
reported
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 No.219819

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 No.219821

>>219793
Anon gimme the Amazon/grubhub tips. Are you fucking over a worker with the grubhub thing? I wouldn't feel too bad about screwing Amazon or their petty bourg babies tho
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 No.219823

>>219813
the ironic thing is Marx uses that argument when talking about capitalist accumulation, which is the thing we're trying to end, all while posting under the name 'read marx' its kinda beautiful
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 No.219825

>>219821
With amazon used to be you could order something (macbook), receive it and then complain to amazon you did not receive it. They will send you another or refund you.
IDK if still work. test it and get back to us.
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 No.219826

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>>219809
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 No.219830

>>219825
I got a small buy refunded a while back with no hassle after it legit didn't show up
I don't have the money to fucking experiment with buying and refunding a macbook lol
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 No.219832

>>219808
>Prostitution is comparable to scamming proles
Yeah because it's a vice you tard, and 99% of prostitutes are not mistresses of Porky but instead financially dominating proles by feeding into their delusions. How dumbfucktarded do you have to be to think a middle class or lower prole scrapping together his already low funds to spend on a prostitute is a good thing? And this isn't even MENTIONING the fact that most prostitutes are controlled by criminal gangs who take their revenues to fund crime wars or that the prostitutes themselves are generally illegal immigrants or have been trafficked into the country, and who have been locked out of any opportunity for a better life.
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 No.219833

>>219812
Why do we still not have a working report button?
>>219832
Oh I see youre a """left"""cel
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 No.219836

>>219833
>oh shit he actually raised a lot of good points
>uhhh I obviously haven't thought out this issue enough how do I respond
>oh I know! call them an incel! that wins automatically!
brilliant
kys or go back to 4chan/reddit/any other website where one liners are seen as legitimate arguments
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 No.219838

I literally got paid a full days shift to shitpost here during my 9-5 and sort my emails.
No work would be better, but I'm doing non-work.
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 No.219840

>>219838
I wouldn't even feel free. Cuz you have to be in one place or other at a certain time still. Feels like prison
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 No.219841

>>219836
Blaming prostitutes for "dominating" proles/men is inceltard logic
Prostitution ends when women (mostly) dont have to do that shit to survive not because its banned
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 No.219843

>>219840
yea goldbricking isnt even fun when its not a mass strike against the very heart of capitalist production - having to put up the illusion of work is work
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 No.219847

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>>219823
>>219832
> it's a vice you tard,
Nice spooks, nerd.
>and 99% of prostitutes are not mistresses of Porky but instead financially dominating proles by feeding into their delusions.
[Cite Needed]
>How dumbfucktarded do you have to be to think a middle class or lower prole scrapping together his already low funds to spend on a prostitute is a good thing?
I'm confused, is this a erotic lit concept or are you explaining your fetish, or?
>the fact that most prostitutes are controlled by criminal gangs who take their revenues to fund crime wars or that the prostitutes themselves are generally illegal immigrants or have been trafficked into the country, and who have been locked out of any opportunity for a better life.
Sounds like a cop and a pimp problem, not a prostitute problem.
>most
[Cite Needed]
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 No.219861

>>219832
>>219836
>people who pay for prostitutes are the real victims of prostitution
>prostitutes are scammers somehow
lol some of you guys really put effort into making the most retarded posts possible
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 No.219883

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>anti work huh ?
>i guess this is when people don't do anything at all
>>219778
>A country which ceased work ceases to exist
oh no the horror
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 No.219917

>>219841
you're fucking illiterate you couldn't even tell that "dominating" in this context meant being a constant drain on the financial well being of the prole much like a drug addict
talking to you is a waste of time you're completely incapable of either reading or analyzing anything but what did I expect
>>219847
>VICES DON'T EXIST
it's great that pretty much everyone in psychiatry and healthcare aka those who actually know what they're talking about, disagree with you, otherwise the world would be even worse off than it already is
https://www.who.int/health-topics/addictive-behaviours#tab=tab_1
>I'm confused, is this a erotic lit concept or are you explaining your fetish, or?
STOP BEING RETARDED. Proles being the main """consumers"""" of prostitution means by default they take the financial hit because they feed into an addiction. And of course the prostitute is looking for "regular" clients because their income stream depends on it, (you'd know this if you ever fucking researched this in your entire life) and encourages such repeat behavior.
https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf
Scroll to Annual Household Income and remember that in America the median family income is around 70k. All the high and low frequency buyers making 70k or under are feeding a highly financially impactful addiction.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-average-income-in-usa-family-household-history-3306189
>Sounds like a cop and a pimp problem, not a prostitute problem
It's a both problem. Give the prostitute education and skills and a job so if she has been abused/trafficked she won't need to resort to it out of desperation but at the same time there will always be a small minority of those who, much like people who don't want to work, think prostitution is easier than work or "empowering" or some other nonsense and don't want to move on. Those people will be banned.
>>219861
I explicitly mention that the prostitutes get abused too and this is the shit you respond with. kys there are people in this thread advocating for continued existence of prostitution and you attack the one person against it.
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 No.219928

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>>219573
Which factory did Marx work in again? Engels'?
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 No.219935

>>219566
>Why do you work a job, Anons?
out of pure passion, because I'm a masochist, lol
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 No.219940

>>219917
no one will ever take this flag seriously again
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 No.220264

File: 1620126932066.png (6.69 KB, 207x255, 1619230492682.png)

>I called out today and went here and this is what I see.
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 No.220432

File: 1620132281454.mp4 (14.78 MB, 470x360, Sickie.mp4)

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 No.220434

>>219662
why do you think of immigrants and minorities when someone says radlib/lumpen/anarkiddies?
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 No.220447

Benefits don’t pay enough for me to live in a satisfactory manner so I have to have a job plus you can’t organise your workplace if you don’t have one.
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 No.220448

File: 1620132868511.png (402.41 KB, 498x674, ClipboardImage.png)

GUYS GUYS GUYS!!!
Why don't you just work if you want to?
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 No.220449

Even just reducing the workday to 4 hours would be a massive improvement.
Anyway this thread is trash and has a bunch of trash in it.
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 No.220539

File: 1620137838026.jpg (69.15 KB, 721x346, 1608526558255.jpg)

>>219758
>"Early Marxists like Marx himself can be forgiven for inaction"
>he thinks Marx was not politically active

its time to just take the L and admit you have no idea what youre talking about. besides, dont you need to get back to work?
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 No.220563

Just finished a 12 hour midnight shift in a soul crushing factory and I'm curious as to how OP and people ITT are able to feed, clothe and house themselves if having a job is optional.
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 No.220690

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>>219573
>>219585
Yeah, because I'm not cucked by protestant work ethic. Go suck up to reactionaries on Reddit and show them how "you aren't like the other lazy commies", gigantic faggot.
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 No.220711

File: 1620143373132.png (625.02 KB, 1076x594, 224987632474817.png)

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 No.220853

>>219566
To change society you must participate in it first.

>>219573
Being anti work isn't an anarkiddie idea it's also a socialist one. In socialism and communism, work will continually be minimized until zero to maximize proficiency. Especially considering with automation on the horizon. Read Bob Black's "Abolition of work"
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 No.220931

If anyone wants to join my anti-work matrix then I can post the info
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 No.221122

>>220563
Mommy and daddy take care of them.
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 No.221139

>>221122
good for them
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 No.221148

>>220931
Im interested
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 No.221161

>>220931
>join my anti-work matrix
sounds like work
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 No.221187

Collective work disciplines the proletariat and allows for class consciousness. I'm a prole.
NEETism is petty-bourgeois radicalism.
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 No.221201

>>221148
Great! I have to mess with the config to allow public invite, but for now it is preferable if people who join register an account with the homeserver url, as I am skeptical of federation
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 No.221204

>>221187
sounds like bugmen to me
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 No.221213

File: 1620154644726.jpg (Spoiler Image, 341.94 KB, 1080x1080, 1619389619965.jpg)

Is getting a Sugar Mommy a form of anti-work/illegalist praxis?
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 No.221218

>>220432
Based. Please post all your anti-work music.
Death Before Employment
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 No.221228

>>221213
It's surely one of the more virtuous and noble paths available in the current hellscape comrade
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 No.221235

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 No.221237

>>221139
Bad for me because mine are either dead or disabled, wage life isn't a choice for me. I'm supposed to not bead that they get this comfort.
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 No.221260

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>>221122
>Mommy and daddy take care of them.
It's weird how this is your assumption than all the more likely reasons. Projecting perhaps?
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 No.221280

>>219573
As a Marxist, lemme just say that you are an absolute cuckold.

The goal is to get people jobs that they like and can work at on relatively their own terms. To dealienate ourselves from our own labor and to not be controlled by it. The gay space fully automated luxury communism idea is desirable, but we still have to work to better society and our labor conditions to reach it.
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 No.221293

File: 1620156310668.jpg (95.77 KB, 1280x720, 471031232_1280.jpg)

>>220563
>Just finished a 12 hour midnight shift in a soul crushing factory and
Get out of here. Sage works in a factory? Assembling what?
>>221237
>Bad for me because mine are either dead or disabled, wage life isn't a choice for me. I'm supposed to not bead that they get this comfort.
I know how it is comrade. People with working legs are bad for me because mine are either dead or disabled, chair life isn't a choice for me. I'm supposed to not bead (what the fuck does bead mean in this context) that they get this comfort?
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 No.221301

File: 1620156403493.jpeg (61.24 KB, 475x356, lies.jpeg)

>>220563
>Just finished a 12 hour midnight shift in a soul crushing factory
sure thing buddy, what does the factory produce?
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 No.221306

File: 1620156448664.jpg (70.96 KB, 496x585, 20201031_162010.jpg)

It's always funny how those who deflect claims of authoritarianism by saying its just a means to the end of the liberation of the working class, of establishing a society where the the freedom of one is the condition for the freedom of all, wont let decide not to work. In this case, apparently, the workers are to stay workers, cattle who slave away for the greater good.
Communism is the abolition of the working class as well as the bourgeoisie. anything else is half-assed.
https://youtu.be/zBVggGXGxxc
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 No.221314

>>221260
Wrong my dads dead, my moms disabled I've spent $1000s to support my mom and younger siblings. (Filling in the space social security won't fill.) My mom needs to live on this but austerity is literally pushing her on the street's. I've wasted my savings then and now to give them a Chance to survive. I'm sure some of you are chad do it you're self freelancers. Many neet's don't have the privileges of this freelancer life. They do have the parents option which obviously is better then wagie life.
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 No.221328

>>221301
Listen
8 hours =12 40 hours = 50-60. Let wagie tell his tales it helps me as a wagie. It might be a small lie but the drudgery and soreness feel like it miles be the truth. Besides many do work these hours and if not 8 and 40 is still way to much.
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 No.221333

>>221314
>They do have the parents option which obviously is better then wagie life.
Anon as bad as work is it is preferable to living off of your parents. I do not think most neets and anti-work people ITT would lower themselves to leech off the parents.
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 No.221336

>>221328
direct action
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 No.221344

>>221333
Maybe not the good people of Leftypol but neet's in general I wouldn't be so sure of that.
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 No.221345

>>221306
That's a based Marx quote. Sounds kind of anarchists actually.
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 No.221351

>>221333
>Anon as bad as work is it is preferable to living off of your parents. I do not think most neets and anti-work people ITT would lower themselves to leech off the parents.
How else can you NEET? Welfare isn't easy to come by in The USA, at least before Corona. You have to be physically or mentally disabled to get shit besides food stamps.
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 No.221358

>>221187
>I'm a prole.
>NEETism is petty-bourgeois radicalism.
what's this?:
>>189254
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 No.221359

>>220264
Even while sick my boss called to bitch for 5 minutes to me in my pain. Anon anon I was inconvenienced for a few minutes to find something. Oh anon boss said, I got chewed out so you know I must chew you out as is the natural course of things
Every micromanager should be hanged or worse without mercy!
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 No.221366

>>221351
Why did you drink the neurotoxins, making you near braindead?
>barely intelligible sounds
GiBs WoRtH wAs iT.
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 No.221375

>>221351
>How else can you NEET? elfare isn't easy to come by in The USA
Sir, this is not an american board. please go to your containment thread.
>>221344
Even then we are assuming that the parents have the desire to house and feed there adult child or can afford to even if they do have said desire.
This all seems very unlikely to me.
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 No.221381

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 No.221387

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>>221351
>How else can you NEET?
Crime is a thing you know
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 No.221388

File: 1620157809345.mp4 (4.63 MB, 1280x720, Office Space Bosses.mp4)

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 No.221393

>>221351
swim sells weed
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 No.221398

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>>221387
Are you implying crime is inherently "unskilled" labor?
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 No.221401

>>221375
What is stronger the parents hatred to take care of the adult child or their want to not see them homeless. It will depend, the parent my not be able to truly take care of them too. Still I lived in a near shed, as my family slowly malnourished (0-19age). Their was still the leaking roof and fridge with few things to nothing was still there. People have a remarkable ability to scrap by where there is little to scrap.
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 No.221411

>>221393
>>221393
>>221387
Does that really count as NEETing though? That's self employment.
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 No.221417

>>221381
I was making fun of how hard it is to get welfare, by memeing about a theoretical story of someone poisoning their brain to get a check.
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 No.221434

>>221411
Its definetly not wage-labor and if we were to stretch the definition of modern work so fas as to incorporate it, we would arrive at a definition were every creative change to the surroundings becomes work and work becomes a meaningless term (which would be based)
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 No.221453

File: 1620158879397.jpg (15.58 KB, 240x327, stalin smirk.jpg)

What if you are anti-work regarding capitalist wage cuckery but perfectly happy to work under socialism? Is it not preferable to avoid working for porky's surplus and even reclaiming wealth without compensating the business (i.e. "theft")? Why be autistic about this? I thought this is a class struggle. Shouldn't we engage in effective means of siphoning wealth from the porkies? How is being "lumpen" like that a problem for MLs?

Reminder: Stalin robbed banks.
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 No.221461

For anyone interested in the matrix, just register a separate account at matrix.saintmaxshomeforwaywardcatboys.xyz for now and I will invite you to the general room. We are trying to figure out a way to make the server as private and secure as possible but also easy enough to join and invite people to, so federation is currently disabled.

We are also trying setup an onion address, but as far as I know, matrix doesn't officially support them. You can and should still connect through tor though.

Again, the server is matrix.saintmaxshomeforwaywardcatboys.xyz
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 No.221464

>>221388
I'm somehow supposed to keep track of all our equipment. (Not my offical title just a bullshit way for my boss to scapegoat me. Say one of the coworkers with seniority or him misplace something, they are to lazy to get anything for themselves so I have to. Meaning somehow if anything goes missing it's on me somehow) I clean the shit literally, I get stuff others are to lazy to get all I do. Go getter boy, go get this, go get that, I'm to fat to walk… Fucking Burger's I swear I like literally the only skinny one that works at this place.
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 No.221470

>>221453
They are sheltered and think crime is limited to murder, drug dealing, robbing poor people, and rape.
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 No.221479

>>221453
yeah ok bruh we'll see about it no promises tho k bye
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 No.221485

>>221453
He was more directly involved with fucking a 13 year old than with the bank robbery.
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 No.221490

>>221453
>>221453
i dont think anybody would argue you shouldnt work if you wanted to
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 No.221491

>>221461
Oh, and they are just overly autistic and think that anything aside from joining their milquetoast "parties" (social clubs) is "lifestylism" or "adventurism."
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 No.221496

>>221461
>We are also trying setup an onion address
Based
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 No.221500

What exactly do posters who say that there is going to be no work under socialism want? I just don’t understand how you expect shit to function without workers.
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 No.221502

>>221500
define work
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 No.221507

>>221485
You saying Stalin was a pedo?
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 No.221511

>>221502
Anything that isn't play.
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 No.221513

>>221502
Labour done which is not personally beneficial to you (repairing a street, running a food distribution centre, working in a factory, etc.).
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 No.221514

>>221511
Define Play.
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 No.221523

>>221514
Freedom of time
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 No.221535

>>221434
No, its very simple. You trade goods for money. Otherwise known as merchanting.
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 No.221555

Anyone who is professing lifestylism is most likely a middle class to upper middle class fuck boy that has never been poor and should just stop thinking like a fucking pathetic bitch. If you want to live a clean lifestyle then go ahead it's s personal decision, don't suppose that you are contributing shit. It's just personal bullshit.
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 No.221558

>>221500
It means work losing its tightly regulated character making it more akin to play. Think no more deadlines, a focus on enjoyment over efficiency, etc.
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 No.221569

>>221555
>nooooo, you can't just not contribute to capitalist society
i'm happy for anyone who's able to drop out of society while understanding that it's not a possibility for everyone
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 No.221608

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>>221213
>>221228
How do you even get a Sugar Mommy to begin with? I need funding for my shitposts
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 No.221613

>>221608
try seeking arrangement and hotel bars
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 No.221614

>>221523
Going by this I'd say a world without work is possible but far off. In socialism of the future it will be low hours, without the toxic work environments and management. It will be in what you like to do, you being allowed to decide things at your work. All with the compensation and benefits you can tolerate if not enjoy. If you don't have to deal with micromanagement… (Oh no no you don't know how to use a paint brush? let me show you does what you do and acts like its different. You copy what he did, which is what you already did. micro dick takes the brush "he just can't paint") . <- I've been in countless interactions like this. I'd have no problem working if I could avoid this.
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 No.221620

>>219592
I don't live in socialism and until I do I will not work
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 No.221621

>>221535
I do fraud
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 No.221624

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 No.221634

File: 1620162188144.png (92.65 KB, 500x566, gulag-gulag-gulag-gulag-gu….png)

Socialism occurs!
Richard Wolff says: workplace democracy
Coworkers do workplace democracy, micromanager get's voted to the gulag. After year's dealing with the dehumanizing acts, gone to face up for them :).
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 No.221637

>>221634
ww2 stalin gulag
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 No.221640

>>221621
join the matrix and share methods
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 No.221651

>>219746
every prole works for porky if anything this is an argument for neetdom
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 No.221678

>>219758
nygga I ain't even gonna be alive when socialism comes fuck off
>>219778
good wagecuck now get back to your cage
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 No.221708

>>221569
>Believes buying vegan will end meat eating
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 No.221751

>>221708
it won't, but maybe it will make you happy
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 No.221760

>>219566
>Why do you work a job, Anons?
Do you think I do it by choice you fucking anarkiddie? I do it because if I don't work I die, is that simple. Who's gonna pay my rent? Who's gonna pay my food? Who's gonna pay my gas, electricity, internet, and so on? I sure would love to be a NEET but this fucking system won't let me.
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 No.221763

HE WHO DOES NOT WORK, NEITHER SHALL HE EAT

The socialist cause has been and always will be the cause of labor and the working man, not parasites and freeloaders. If you can’t contribute to society then don’t expect the state to acknowledge or respect your existence
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 No.221775

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>>221763
>applying the morality of socialism to people living under capitalism
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 No.221779

>>221763
>HE WHO DOES NOT WORK, NEITHER SHALL HE EAT
Leftism is when mindlessly repeat overused phrases like this one.
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 No.221820

>>221779
phrases from the literal bible
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 No.221821

>>221779
It's not like they've read anyone…they just want to dump their moralist bs on us as a noble cause which is why they keep getting called fascists
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 No.221822

>>221775
>>221779
>opposition to sabotage of socialism is being “moralistic”
You kids won’t survive a day in a gulag, so I suggest you shape up
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 No.221829

>>221821
>contributing to society means you’re literally Hitler!
>I literally cannot comprehend why anybody would have a problem with lazy sophistry disguised as philosophy
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 No.221833

>>221760
>Do you think I do it by choice you fucking anarkiddie?
Yes.
> do it because if I don't work I die
Literally just cope.
>ho's gonna pay my rent?
Make the state pay, steal it or just dont pay it.
>Who's gonna pay my food?
Steal it.
>Who's gonna pay my gas, electricity, internet, and so on?
Steal it.
>I sure would love to be a NEET but this fucking system won't let me.
Well obviously, but why would you play the way 'the system' lays out for you?
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 No.221838

>>221829
As pointed out throughout this thread,read marx engels or even stalin at anytime. You're just coming off as a sententious bore with your million platitudes.
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 No.221841

>>221822
>muh gulags and mantras
Get new material already.
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 No.221845

>>221760
>>221760
ok, so why should I care?
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 No.221921

>>221838
You do realize all those lofty fantasies you like to pretend were serious plans are just that, right? Fantasies, made to dupe credulous rubes like you while society transitions towards full socialism. Most proles are sadly rather stupid and could never hope to understand socialism, so motivational lies are necessary. After a while, the work becomes a pattern, the pattern becomes ingrained, and the socialist citizen will abandon these childish dreams. This is what it means to be a socialist, to bring about the FINAL revolution and the END of history
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 No.221937

>>221822
you are not living under socialism, idiot.
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 No.222031

>>221937
You won’t be living long at all
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 No.222042

>>221921
Stop baiting man ,newfags will read this
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 No.222066

>>222042
This may surprise you, o lord d’autismo, but disagreeing with you isn’t bait
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 No.222087

File: 1620168004590.jpg (9.16 KB, 320x180, mqdefault.jpg)

Get ready to work the rice fields, anarchos
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 No.222188

>>221708
>Believes buying vegan will end meat eating
<Believes working himself to the bone to enrich porky earns him bragging rights
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 No.222214

>>222066
>>221829
>contributing to society means you’re literally Hitler!
There is no society so there is nothing to contribute to. You'd be better of leeching off the system and go donating time at a soup kitchen or something with all your free time. Not saying NEETs are neccesarily doing that, but stop equating receiving a paycheck with "contributing to society" you may be actually negatively impacting society with many professions more than the NEET who lives off of welfare or leeching of off people.
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 No.222324

>>222214
>there is no society!
Is this the power of anarchist philosophy?
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 No.222414

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>>222324
>there is no society
Yes!
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 No.222415

>>222324
Currently? No there isn't. This isn't a society. It's a slave plantation.
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 No.222426

>>219566
I need to survive. And I wouldn't get away with living by criminal means for long. Then again my old highschool classmates are successful home owners and drive cars by selling illegal drugs. Meanwhile I work 11PM-7AM selling stuff to old people to pay the rent.

I guess I don't know how to acquire drugs or how to sell them. I wasn't raised on the streets.
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 No.222430

>>222426
>I work 11PM-7AM selling stuff to old people to pay the rent.
Those are some midnight owl seniors.
>Then again my old highschool classmates are successful home owners and drive cars by selling illegal drugs.
>I guess I don't know how to acquire drugs or how to sell them. I wasn't raised on the streets.
Why don't you ask them?
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 No.222433

>>222426
>I guess I don't know how to acquire drugs or how to sell them.
>. Then again my old highschool classmates are successful home owners and drive cars by selling illegal drugs.
99% of drug dealing is literally just knowing people, anon. :)
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 No.222435

File: 1620173699883.jpg (29.68 KB, 696x481, 1571468431144.jpg)

I work in a law firm writing patents. I went through an identity crisis almost all of last year and considered quitting. I applied to a Ph.D. program and got in. I applied to a different job and got accepted. I decided to stay.

The decision to not do a Ph.D. was easy. Do I like engineering? Yes. Do I like it enough to work like a dog for five years and get paid peanuts? Not really. If we lived in a country that actually valued education and didn't treat scientists like second-class citizens, then I'd do the Ph.D. But as it stands, it would have been a terrible financial decision for something that probably would not have brought enough "fulfillment" to make it worth it.

As for the other job, I weighed the pros and cons and decided to stay. The other job was a fed job and also dealt with patents. It paid the same, but the work/life balance would be better. However, I would have had to work virtually permeantly or move to D.C., none of which appealed to me. Working remotely as an entry-level employee is a career killer and hampers your skill development, and moving to D.C. sounds like a nightmare in a logistical and financial sense.

So, I'm fine with my job. A lot of people in this world would be happy to have a stable 9–6 that pays decently well with coworkers who aren't sociopaths. I am developing skills that are useful outside of work—such as writing and arguing—that I'd like to incorporate into my hobbies or even leftist organizing. I hope one day to go to law school so (a) I can go solo, be my own boss, and work for smaller companies instead of porky big companies or (b) transition to a more "fulfilling" legal field such as criminal defense or plaintiff-side employee & labor law. In all, I wouldn't say that I'm happy or fulfilled, but I would say that I'm happier than I would be than a NEET.
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 No.222557

This thread is so enriched with capitalist realism it's unreal. Work you mean that thing I hate in capitalism, no can do. It'll be different in socialism? what you mean works work!
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 No.222683

>>222435
Work is hell but NEETdom is even more hell.
inb4, I am still anti-work gang.
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 No.222689

>>222435
I'm a stemlord who intentionally chose a chill job pays just enough too. It feels great.
I'll never be one of those retards on the internet who work a lot only to have a bunch of "disposable income" and feel compelled to waste it on trash like anime figures or funko pops.
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 No.222701

computer science cuck

i work for a tech company that is relatively infamous for taking part in a court case that deeply damaged worker's rights

the money is good though, i guess.
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 No.222712

>>222701
Is it really that hard for a compsci degree to get a more ethical job?
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 No.222726

>>222557
Most of the people on leftypol are either upper middle class failsons, or lower middle class NEETS. The people in employed here are in the minority.
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 No.222743

>>222557
>This thread is so enriched with capitalist realism it's unreal. Work you mean that thing I hate in capitalism, no can do. It'll be different in socialism? what you mean works work!
Yeah. Works work if you're a literal slave or member of a socialist society that you believe in and actually cares about you.

>>222726
>Most of the people on leftypol are either upper middle class failsons, or lower middle class NEETS. The people in employed here are in the minority.
So which one are you? Also define upper middle class. How do II'm not upper-lower-middle-middle-class?
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 No.222745

>>222701
>i work for a tech company that is relatively infamous for taking part in a court case that deeply damaged worker's rights
Givs backdoor, plz. will trade for shitty phishing email.
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 No.222750

>>222726
>Most of the people on leftypol are either upper middle class failsons, or lower middle class NEETS. The people in employed here are in the minority.
I spoke to a bunch of people here who were also working class or extreme lower class.
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 No.222768

File: 1620183612355.jpg (301.67 KB, 960x1280, tumblr_lv3lopsMnJ1r4q8eoo1….jpg)

>>222683
>Work is hell but NEETdom is even more hell.
Nah, blatant moralism with no objectivity. If you were born with a multi-millionaire trust fund to live off of, would you consider flipping burgers at McDonalds to be less hell? Ridiculous. Depends on the work, depends on your NEETdom, depends on your disposition. I guess if you really internalized this work arbeit mach frei crap, not working would be hell to you no matter how comfortable or stress free your aristocratic lifestyle was, because you would be so racked with guilt. If you 53%s want to convince yourself you're more happy accruing health problems while earning chicken scratch while others lives kick back and therapize every last itch, more power to you.
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 No.222774

>>222712
tech in general is very lacking in ethical careers/jobs. those that do exist, certain govt agencies, nonprofits, et al pay pretty shitty & are as picky if not more as "elite" places. i couldn't get a job at them if i tried (which i have).

i can either continue working here, or take my pick of a shitty bank or fortune 500 company making less.
>>222745
i would look for a vuln if there was anything to gain from it. a backdoor for an instance of our product would only leak individual user records, and they haven't done anything wrong.

your best bet at getting access to our codebase is physically coming to the office and just nabbing a developers laptop when they're taking a piss.
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 No.222777

>>222768
I think he means not having money is worse, or at least that's how I interpreted his post.
Not all of us live in the first world.
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 No.222786

>>222777
>I think he means not having money is worse, or at least that's how I interpreted his post.
He said NEETdom not bumdom. I dunno, I'm all mixed up because I'm a burger and I got people laughing at my lack of free welfare in this thread.

Reminded me to respond to:
>>221375
You don't have to give yourself physical brain damage to get the mental disability welfare. You just have to prove you're a lunatic. The easiest way would be to voluntarily commit yourself or even better, get voluntarily committed. Jacking it in San Diego would probably do the trick.
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 No.222788

>>222774
>i would look for a vuln if there was anything to gain from it. a backdoor for an instance of our product would only leak individual user records, and they haven't done anything wrong.
I was thinking the rabidly anti-worker bosses emails would be more fun.
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 No.222790

>>222778
Hi /pol/.
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 No.222796

File: 1620184498455.jpg (154.82 KB, 630x630, do nothing pooh.jpg)

>>222778
>Life is suffering, work is meaning.
How do you correlate point A with point B? Maybe because life is suffering, suffering is life, therefore suffering is the meaning of life, therefore the more you suffer, the more your life has meaning, ergo the more you work(suffer) the more your life means something

> You're a lazy faggot. Shoot yourself.

Nah, sounds like too much worth.
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 No.222820

>>222778
Wagecuck cope
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 No.222823

heheheheh heh, hold on let me drink my beer
okay okay, follow me on this one
you know how like, liberals be all "oh, socialism is 1984, which is bad"
what if
and follow me here
what if…uh…we agreed, but then told them 1984 was a good thing
yup, that's socialism alright
god I just drank a whole bathtub full of absinthe
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 No.222828

>>222823
Cheers m8 lemme get another jug
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 No.222829

>>222701
Epic? I had a job offer there but turned it down–among other things, that campus was the most neoliberal, pozzed shit I have ever seen. Since you're CS, your pay is probably pretty good there though.
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 No.222831

>>222750
Minority
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 No.222833

>>222788
you got it. it's exactly as bad as you say.
my one hope is that in the event of broad tech publicization, epic is the standard for healthcare records, so i can feel less shitty about the work i've done.
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 No.222835

>>222831
>Minority
Feel free to open a poll, anon. I'm curious.
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 No.222837

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 No.222838

>>222833
Yeah, at least you do so some modicum of good. My job does literally no good for anybody except big corporate interests…
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 No.222844

>>222743
Poor ass child of poor immigrants NEET. The point I was making is that many people here come with a petit bourgeois lifestyle mindset. They see themselves as overly important and not an atom of an atom. They aren't important nor will they ever be, and so they look for a place to belong because they want to rebel against "le society". Truth is there's nothing wrong with wanting a place to belong and even looking for it, but taking that personal journey for a journey of loyalty to some great working class history is complete nonsense.

At the end of the day it's either you are already important, in which case you hold some semblance of power and importance to do something, or you don't and you come to an imageboard expecting some new insight into hoping you can be revolutionary. It's the kind of self importance you expect from upper middle class young folk. And don't get me wrong I've also had the same fancies and still do but I don't take those thoughts seriously. It's why never ask around how to do this or that, I just read, watch news and read some more. There are more important people out there than me, and more capable than me. I dont have any pretenses of being the true revolutionary in any way.
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 No.222846

>>222835
You do it since it matters that much to you
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 No.222849

File: 1620187425111.mp4 (34.16 MB, 1920x1080, howtoscam.mp4)

>>219821
I literally have a whole google doc about it and a video here you go
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 No.222926

>>222849
doc pls
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 No.222985

The only way to get decent money from being a criminal is to be a part of organized crime and not some low-level goon. At which point you are not really a communist anymore, but more of a capitalist. You might as well become a lawful porky (if you can, that is) or some sort of cop or any other underporkies.

In any case, you gonna live at the expense of other proles, making their lives even a little bit more miserable.
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 No.222992

>>222849
How would you feel if people needing to support their families lost their jobs because of your scam?
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 No.222996

File: 1620194281750.jpg (9.01 KB, 211x239, images (17).jpg)

>>222849
>Boondocks intro song
Nice lol
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 No.222997

File: 1620194309574.jpg (36.04 KB, 640x545, nobodycares.jpg)

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 No.223000

>>222997
Then nobody will care if you get the wall like the rest of porks.
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 No.223001

>>222997
Ah, okay, so you are a criminal, workers get hurt because of your deeds and you expect us not to gulag you. Glad we settled this.
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 No.223004

>>223001
>>223000

Your moralizing won't work on me faggot
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 No.223005

>>223004
I don't give a shit about your morals. I give a shit about working you to the bone in a gulag for 10 years so when you get out you'll see working people in a different light.
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 No.223006

>>223005
Your hysteria is completely superfluous to actually creating communism, go LARP in front of a guillotine it's all youre good for.
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 No.223009

File: 1620194810024.jpg (7.96 KB, 480x360, trololol.jpg)

>>222849
Saved here for posterity:
http://weckybv74pbgbzjcw65jfdnd4dpxxzuxwefrgiz56ljdidobfpoj6cqd.onion:86/how_to_scam_amazon.mp4
>>222992
>How would you feel if people needing to support their families lost their jobs because of your scam?
picrel
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 No.223015

>>223004
You do understand that in the time fo revolution your economic interests will align you more with porks than with proles?
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 No.223018

>>223015
I'm only interested in abolishing wage-labour and the state, whatever 'has to be done' is some cringe superfluous shit. read the manifesto
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 No.223019

>>222992
>How would you feel if people needing to support their families lost their jobs because of your scam?
Tbh, that rarely happens if ever, and if your employer is firing you for following company policy that you are literally instructed to follow, then that's really on them. For example, if some person steals an item, and company policy says that you aren't permitted to pursue them, but then the manager tries to convince you to do so under the threat of firing you if you don't, then I'd be more angry with the manager then the thief.
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 No.223023

>>223018
You should actually read about russian revolution. There were plenty of people who were for revolution in theory, but in practice they couldn't free themself from their economic interest. Eternal Calling is a very nice russian tv series from 70s about revolution and second world war. If you know russian or can find subs i recommend watching it.
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 No.223025

>>223019
>Tbh, that rarely happens if ever, and if your employer is firing you for following company policy that you are literally instructed to follow, then that's really on them
It happens and it is on you.
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 No.223026

>>223015
>what are lumpens?
I mean, if this is a newfound realization for you maybe read some Marx.
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 No.223027

>>223023
will do I would earnestly like to learn more about the USSR
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 No.223028

>>223026
Don't be a smug cunt. No one likes those.
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 No.223031

>>223027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Th7a3HW_XI&list=PL4dWJMOQ_a1SI-z1ARwKyg4D2BjULOsP2

This is the series, but this one doesn't have subs. The series is about the fate of a single village and people from it throughout the history of revolution, civil war, collectivization, second wrold war and post war period. One of the best historical dramas made in USSR imo.
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 No.223037

>>223034
Does it have english subs?
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 No.223038

>>223025
>muh guilt
shut up, cristfag.
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 No.223042

>>223037
it's the original DVD, so if there's no subs on them they might not exist at all

>>223038
>your actions have consequences
<SH-SHUT UP, CHRISTIAN!!!
okay, parasite
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 No.223047

File: 1620196479938.png (968.58 KB, 587x6963, carding_basics_p1.png)

>>223042
>your actions have consequences.
okay, parasite
And i'm okay with that. :)

Attached, short primer on carding p1.
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 No.223053

>>223025
>It happens and it is on you
Never once in a job do I remember it ever being a policy of workers being fired for thefts that occured. In fact, most retail stores have a certain amount of stolen goods they account for each year. It actually costs less for them to do so as opposed to making workers try and chase down thieves, as chasing down thieves carries the risk of injury and compensation.
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 No.223060

File: 1620197475842.png (897.19 KB, 587x6873, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.223062

>>223047
>>223060
Based carder chad
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 No.223065

>>223025
> porky does something bad
< uh that's totally your fault!!
Okay fellow "leftist"
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 No.223068

>>223053
>pawn shop employee
>scammer sells you "old watches"
>boss finds out you bought 5 dollars worth of crap for 500 with his money
<get fired

>petrol station employee

>scammer figures out a way to underpay his gasoline
>uses your station constantly to milk you
>boss notices the difference, watches back tapes and compares receipts
<get fired

>supermarket workers

>managers notice that valuable shit is disappearing all the time
>they go full nazi mode on the employees, checking their bags before they leave the workplace, giving regular brainwashing talks
>everybody is walking on eggshells for a month
<turns out it was the security guy taking the shit in his nightshift

I have a few more scammer stories that don't involve workers getting fired or fucked over due to another asshole but involve people getting scammed out of their hard earned money on the streets, etc. There's absolutely no way for you to guarantee that when scamming the capitalists you won't affect innocent people's lives as well. It's a parasitic lifestyle promoted by post-left (read: right) anarchists as this cool Robin Hood shtick.
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 No.223073

>>223068
>There's absolutely no way for you to guarantee that when scamming the capitalists you won't affect innocent people's lives as well
same with any job, really.
>It's a parasitic lifestyle
This is a parasitic soceity.
>promoted by post-left (read: right) anarchists
>post-left is right
flag.
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 No.223082

>>223073
>This is a parasitic soceity.
Sure, and the workers are the host body and capitalists and lumpens are the parasites. This is where your class allegiance lies, and this is why no matter into what theory you wrap your idiocy in, you will never be a leftist.
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 No.223085

>>223005
I bet you were jacking off while typing out your murder fantasies.
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 No.223091

>>223082
>lumpens and capitalists have the same class interests
TIL
>you will never be a leftists
t. terminally online soyboy fag who probably uses twitch and is <20
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 No.223107

>>223053
I worked in retail at some point, they deducted stilen shit from our salaries.
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 No.223110

>>223107
let me guess, american?
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 No.223113

>>223110
No, russian. Still doesn't make the point any less valid. If the losses are not paid by employers, they will be paid by customers, so either way you are not stealing from porky's wallet, mate.
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 No.223114

File: 1620200536307.png (192.49 KB, 400x302, 1617247482713.png)

>>219573
I agree with this but workerism is low iq soyboy shit and I would even say is anti-materialist. We should be striving to reduce the working day as much as possible not preserving it for some retarded sense of "culture" or whatever else. Indeed though moochers can get fucked.
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 No.223117

>>223113
im going to keep stealing and so should you
sorry "mate"
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 No.223119

>>223117
When i decide i want to make my life better at the cost of others, i will just create a religious cult or do some "if you want to be rich, you gonna think like rich" videos on youtube and sell merch.
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 No.223120

>>223119
ok, keep falling for porky's tricks :^)
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 No.223123

>>223120
>Stealing from proles is fighting capitalism.
Ok.
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 No.223124

>>223015
>tHe rEvOuTion
This stuff is just like rapture to you people. In reality the insurrection against capital is on-going and never ended. And the people robbing porky and the petite bouj are more on the side of socialism than cops, military and others who work for the surveillance state or finance capital
>>222985
You can make decent money with fraud/carding
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 No.223125

>>223123
>don't steal from porky because then he's going to take it out on the workers/clients
this is some "don't attack cops defending porky's assets because they're proles too"-tier logic
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 No.223126

whose's was that "the point is to abolish the proletariat" quote ?ken knabb?
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 No.223128

>>223124
> people robbing porky and the petite bouj
Proles. What you steal doesn't come out of the porky's wallet.
>>223125
No, you have some reading disability or something? Most clients are not cops, they are simple proles. You are just trying to justify your position by some robin hood tier bullshit.
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 No.223129

>>223107
And you just took it like a little bitch while asking everyone else to also be a little bitch like you. Sorry, not happening.
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 No.223130

>>223123
You can use the same argument against the early bolsheviks or the Naxalites in india
>youre stealing from businesses which hurts workers
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 No.223131

That people ITT cannot conceive of work which affirms, does indeed indicate the power of capitalist realism.

Also, illegalist praxis often can be ineffective. In fact it can be very counterproductive and legitimize the status quo. Trotsky and Lukacs had works about this.

This is also probably germane. Although the BPP recruited from the lumpenproletariat, they were not similar to mere criminals and enforced strict discipline. When the capitalist is far more powerful, that is one of the ways to counter the disadvantage. https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/unknown-date/party-rules.htm
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 No.223132

>>223128
>you have some reading disability or something?
it seems you do because you keep applying some mental gymnastics to say youre ackshually stealing from workers by stealing from the literal bourgeois lmao get outta here
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 No.223133

>>223129
I am not the one doing petty thievery and trying to pass it as revolutionary praxis.
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 No.223134

>>223133
>>223133
>trying to pass it as revolutionary praxis
no one is doing this, i dont need to justify either stealing or rioting but you need to keep using mental gymnastics to what's basic ass moralizing :~)
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 No.223136

>>223131
>In fact it can be very counterproductive and legitimize the status quo
<don't steal from porky it'll make us look bad
youre so predictable
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 No.223140

File: 1620201576219.jpeg (25.05 KB, 474x477, le milk man.jpeg)

I'm going to keep stealing from work and supermarkets and you're going to keep seething while impotently fantasizing about gulags or firing squads.
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 No.223141

>>223068
Only one of those (the pawn shop) is something that I could even realistically imagine happening for most places, and even then that's unlikely, as most major pawn shop purchases have to go through the owner or a manager first. Not only that, but most major pawn shops have you sign some form of documentation ensuring a legitimate sale and require a copy of some kind of verifiable ID. I'm not defending scammers who directly scam workers out of their savings btw, but if a capitalist is scammed and they take it out on the worker, that's on the capitalist. Scams will always occur, but that doesn't negate the actual relation between the capitalist and the worker, and in fact the focus on the scammer obfuscates this. The capitalist's commodities are acquired by the creation of surplus labour and it's appropriation, the process already has him using up the life of the prole for his profits. Any profit taken from him was profit gained from the unpaid labour of the prole. It's simply stealing what was "stolen". Or to put it in a different but tangentially similar context, the slave owner benefits from the forced labour of the slave. If a robber steals from the slave owner, and the owner responds by whipping the slaves, who would you state is at fault for the condition of the slaves? The slave owner, or the robber? It should be mentioned that any action you ever take will have consequences in life, even well intentioned ones. A simple complaint about a product received after you purchased it can result in a person up the production line getting fired. But would that stop you from making a complaint on a faulty product to get a new one? Who's at fault if the consequence I described happended? You, or the capitalist?
>>223107
That's illegal in many states, but most places calculate a certain alloted amount of inventory that will either not sell or be stolen, so any deductions to workers pay is less "To incentivize diligence" and more "We know this is inevitably going to happen, but its a good way to deduct wages without being direct about it".
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 No.223143

>>223124
>f the losses are not paid by employers,
they will be paid by customers, so either way you are not stealing from porky's wallet, mate.
>they will be paid by customers
tell me why i should care?
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 No.223145

File: 1620201886441.gif (42.77 KB, 2034x1491, 1616566787559.gif)

>>223133
>>223136
You're both fucking retards because Corporations do this thing called "Accounting for shrinkage" every quarter. Everything you steal and the inflation and deflation of the over all economy is already factored into the system. Capitalism is a universal and totalizing system in every sense of the word.

Theft is pointless. The only benefit to theft is the material benefit you gain from freeing the commodity from the hands of capital. Anything else is just a neutral variable already accounted for by the system at large. You're both morons and need to read Marx.
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 No.223146

>>223143
>tell me why i should care?
If you do not care, why are you so triggered when i point it out that you do not steal from porky like you trying to imaging, you are stealing from proles.
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 No.223147

>>223145
>freeing the commodity from the hands of capital.
Ahhahahahahahahahaha
Peak anarchism economics.
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 No.223148

File: 1620202129221.jpeg (4.28 KB, 299x168, t4g45gt45t.jpeg)

>>223147
This is literal Marxist economic doctorine you fucking glow uyghur read a book.
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 No.223149

>>223146
>asks why i should care
<TRIGGERED
is it 2017?
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 No.223152

>>223145
what part of "i steal because i dont want to pay for it" did you not understand my friend
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 No.223154

>>223146
Because your logic is stupid.
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 No.223161

>>223148
You are trying to use words you do not understand. So how about you actually read a book. Maybe steal one even.
>>223149
I don't care to learn new buzzwords every time a new generation of retards flows into the internet, so whatever.
>>223154
no u
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 No.223176

>>223145
>Theft is pointless
<The only benefit to theft is the material benefit you gain from freeing the commodity from the hands of capital.
Thats the point
>>223146
Hot take but this shit shouldnt matter to actual communists
>But it may hurt some proles
Yes, and? Its communism, not workerism. Insurrections and revolutions can hurt proles too when supply chains collapse because general strike/sanctions/counter-revolution. Should that stop us? If you could press a button that would bring world communism but it would kill 1,000,000 proles (together with every capitalist and reactionary) would that stop you?
Im so sick of this stupid fucking argument. Why should I care about cops, military, people that work high up for giant corporations that steal billions in surplus value from the global working class every single fucking day? Why should I care that I steal from imperialist firstoids?
Our enemy is ruthless, and we must be ruthless too. Do you know some of the shit the bolsheviks did during the revolution?

People get hurt when you play by the rules. People get hurt when you dont. There is no innocence under capitalism. And the only people not taking responsibility for their actions is this reactionary "muh anarkid" anti-lumpen gang.
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 No.223179

>>223161
> he doesn't know what commodity capital is
actually kill yourself
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 No.223181

>>223176
>Yes, and? Its communism, not workerism. Insurrections and revolutions can hurt proles too when supply chains collapse because general strike/sanctions/counter-revolution.
Again with trying to pass theft as revolutionary act. Insurrections and revolutions have a goal that will make majority people lives better. Your goal is to make your life better. In that you are not that different from porks. Anarchism is small bourg philosophy through and through. No way around that, it seems.
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 No.223184

>>223179
I know what commodity production is. And it doesn't stop being one because you steal one commodity. Seriously, will anarchists kill themself before trying to read a book? Please show me at least something from Capital where it even hints on "freeing commodity from the hands of capital" by theft.
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 No.223185

>>223181
>Insurrections and revolutions have a goal that will make majority people lives better.
Were communists to improve our lives. Anything else is spooked bs and one step away from fascism ("sacrifice yourself for greater good")
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 No.223189

>>223185
>Were communists to improve our lives.
Wat? Can you rephrase that perhaps?
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 No.223190

>>223181
> oh no a worker is trying to survive in capitalism
Also the whole once a lumpen always a lumpen is retarded, lumpen pass in and out of stages of wage labour just like the Reserve Army. Your hysteria is just some party line dogmatism outside of an actual party line lol

>>223184
Volume 2 the commodity circuit what the fuck do you think c-m-c is? Commodities consumed by workers are taken out of production you are so fucking stupid holy shit. Do you even know what capital is?
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 No.223191

>>223190
>Volume 2 the commodity circuit what the fuck do you think c-m-c is? Commodities consumed by workers are taken out of production you are so fucking stupid holy shit. Do you even know what capital is?
Ahhahaha, this is pure gold.
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 No.223192

>>223181
commodity capital is apart of industrial capital. Seethe and cope.
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 No.223198

>>223189
What else is the point of communism? This "we should be communists to improve OTHER peoples lives" always ends up with workers being told to sacrifice themselves followed by
>Socialism soon… Socialism by 2050… Socialism never
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 No.223204

>>223184
Commodities are never consumed is the most infuriating take I've ever seen. Can every newfag leave the board?
>>223198
communism is free association as based pirate poster knows.
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 No.223207

>>223198
>having no aspirations beyond personal satisfaction
You are no better than an animal. I hope you are underage, such selfishness is simply pathetic in a grown adult.
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 No.223208

>>223207
NO ONE FUCKING CARES YOU SENTENTIOUS CUNT
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 No.223219

File: 1620204401163.png (34.07 KB, 600x600, e40.png)

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 No.223222

>>219573
anarkiddy misappropriation of the term "anti-work" can't hide the fact you haven't read Marx
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 No.223225

This focus on petty thieves should be the absolute least of concerns for any Marxist. Of the list of people worth concerning ourselves over in regards to who to condemn, the list for me is:
>Capitalists
>The bourgeoisie government
>Those directly employed by capitalists or the bourgeoisie government to defend them
>Criminals who take from the proletariat
>Reactionary workers (which by being reactionary at all, Marx may describe as "lumpenproles") who ally themselves with capital
>Criminals who take from the bourgeoisie
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 No.223227

>>223225
And I should note that even putting "Criminals who take from the bourgeoisie" on the list of people to have concern over is questionable, because they don't even come close to those mentioned before.
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 No.223262

What are some legal ways to make money online? Anyone do anything interesting?
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 No.223281

>>223207
Such selfishness is sadly lacking in most proles which is why there seems to be no limit to the exploitation and humiliations most will put up with
Personally I had enough when I was assaulted on my job and was robbed (by employer) out of what is well over a year of wages here

Im not doing a single fucking second of wage labor anymore until we have something that looks like 'socialism'
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 No.223319

>>223281
It will be wage workers that build the socialism you want, not disillusioned lumpen riding off someone else's dime.
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 No.223330

>>223262
Creative work. Art, game development, whatever.
Everything else is a scam. I tried shit like mechanical turk, it's fucking trash.
Since corona hit you may be able to find a real remote job doing clerical work, like data entry or something, but at that point you may as well be working in person.
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 No.223331

>>223207
You’re the type who’d get lynched by your coworkers under an actual DotP.
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 No.223356

File: 1620208135886.png (181.2 KB, 1257x512, award.png)

>>223331
You have no idea what you are talking about, your arrogance is vulgar.
Every proletarian government to ever exist has rewarded and celebrated self-sacrifice and devotion to the advancement of society as a whole. Individual opportunism was rightfully acknowledged as a degenerate vestige of bourgeois principles.

It is not hard workers that go out to make their communities better that are looked down upon and shunned, but the selfish and short-sighted that care for nothing and no one but themselves. It is hard to imagine anything less virtuous or praise worthy.
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 No.223361

>>223356
note how he said "actual" ?
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 No.223365

I don’t work, I collect unemployment currently
>Why will I work in the future?
Women don’t like unemployed losers that live at home
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 No.223370

>>219615
You are replying to yet another Marxist theist
Many such cases, you hate to see it
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 No.223378

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>>223361
>the real dictatorship of the proletariat is when the most hard working and devoted members of the working class are murdered by mobs of individualist degenerates
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 No.223394

>>223378
Homeboy, you’re a pretentious, sanctimonious, joyless asshole who doesn’t understand that the goal is to develop and use our current productive forces to work shorter hours under better conditions with greater agency in the workplace. The Union promoted stakhanovites and udarniks because of specific material conditions, namely underdevelopment and fighting a war against genocidal invaders.
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 No.223405

File: 1620209113310.jpg (60.04 KB, 720x960, work-007.jpg)

It quite cringe that nobody has mentioned the distinction Engels made between work and labor in the very first chapter of Capital:
>The English language has the advantage of possessing different words for the two aspects of labour here considered. The labour which creates use value, and counts qualitatively, is Work, as distinguished from Labour, that which creates Value and counts quantitatively, is Labour as distinguished from Work - t. Engels

The goal of communists should be to abolish wage labor, not work because it makes absolutely no sense to abolish work.

Read the Critique of the Gotha Program, read the first chapter of the German Ideology, hell even fucking Stalin was aware of the need to reduce the workweek:
>It would be wrong to think that such a substantial advance in the cultural standard of the members of society can be brought about without substantial changes in the present status of labour. For this, it is necessary, first of all, to shorten the working day at least to six, and subsequently to five hours. This is needed in order that the members of society might have the necessary free time to receive an all-round education. It is necessary, further, to introduce universal compulsory polytechnical education, which is required in order that the members of society might be able freely to choose their occupations and not be tied to some one occupation all their lives. It is likewise necessary that housing conditions should be radically improved, and that real wages of workers and employees should be at least doubled, if not more, both by means of direct increases of wages and salaries, and, more especially, by further systematic reductions of prices for consumer goods.

If you are a vulgar workerist, gloryfing the hard labor that routinely breaks the back of the working class, you aren't a communist but a reactionary and an idealist idiot, period.
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 No.223435

File: 1620209712579.jpg (347.09 KB, 1920x886, lights-out-manufacturing.jpg)

Actually, what you should read is Krisis' Manifesto Against Labour, you fucking illiterate idealist bootlickers who think wage labor is a transhistorical phenomenon: https://www.krisis.org/1999/manifesto-against-labour/

ABANDON YOUR SPOOKS NOW, PITIFUL WAGESLAVE, AND NEVER LOOK BACK

WE SHALL FREELY ENJOY THE PRODUCTS OF LIGHTS-OUT MANUFACTURING, AND WE WILL MAKE NO EXCUSE FOR IT
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 No.223444

>>223394
Idealist nonsense. Communism does not exist for your benefit, but to advance human society as a whole. That may very well mean making your life worse, obligating you to sacrifice and hardship you would not experience otherwise. In fact, it is very likely that your efforts would only yield fruit after you have passed on, left to the next generation to enjoy, as has been the case for almost every revolutionary.
You will likely never reach your petty goals. If you are not prepared to accept that and work towards communism anyway you are not ready to be a part of a proletarian movement.
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 No.223448

>>223444
>Idealist nonsense. Communism does not exist for your benefit
WTF I hate communism now.
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 No.223452

>>223444
>Not sure if trolling or terminally brain damaged.
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 No.223456

I know you won't click on the link so I will cram it down your little wagie's throat
>The society ruled by labour does not experience any temporary crisis; it encounters its absolute limit. In the wake of the micro-electronic revolution, wealth production increasingly became independent from the actual expenditure of human labour power to an extent quite recently only imaginable in science fiction. No one can seriously maintain any longer that this process can be halted or reversed. Selling the commodity labour power in the 21st century is as promising as the sale of stagecoaches has proved to be in the 20th century. However, whoever is not able to sell his or her labour power in this society is considered to be „superfluous“ and will be disposed of on the social waste dump.

>Labour is in no way identical with humans transforming nature (matter) and interacting with each other. As long as mankind exist, they will build houses, produce clothing, food and many other things. They will raise children, write books, discuss, cultivate gardens, and make music and much more. This is banal and self-evident. However, the raising of human activity as such, the pure „expenditure of labour power“, to an abstract principle governing social relations without regard to its content and independent of the needs and will of the participants, is not self-evident.


>>223444
Disgusting slave morality, get back to your cagie and shut up wagie.
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 No.223461

>>223456
Look at all this meaningless, empty nonsense that no powerful, influential, or otherwise important person will ever read or heed. Wow.
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 No.223469

>>223461
Are you reflecting on your own posts, wagie? Yeah, I guess it must feel meaningless to lick the boots of porky on a communist forum. Your Amazon supervisor won't read your apology of capitalist exploitation, this is pretty sad and you are indeed wasting your time. Maybe you should start reading communist literature to set you free from your spooks regarding wage labor.
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 No.223477

>>223469
>lick the boots of porky on a communist forum. Your Amazon supervisor won't read your apology of capitalist exploitation
You seem to be confused, as I never did this.

>Maybe you should start reading communist literature

Sorry, but I don't think lumpen ramblings constitute "literature", let alone communist literature. You do realize that proles, the agents of communism, are the "wagies" you deride so obsessively, right?
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 No.223497

>>223444
>Communism does not exist for your benefit, but to advance human society as a whole. That may very well mean making your life worse, obligating you to sacrifice and hardship you would not experience otherwise
Just replace "human society" with "the nation" and this shit is literally fascism lmfao
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 No.223504

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 No.223525

>>223497
>I dedicate my life to helping the blind, sick, and disabled
<Wow guys, if you change "helping the blind, sick, and disabled" to "eating babies alive" this starts to sound pretty bad
fucking retard
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 No.223527

>>223525
Not half as smart as you seem to think you are. big sad.
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 No.223528

File: 1620212578800.jpg (25.43 KB, 650x500, work-hours-then-and-now.jpg)

>>223477
>You seem to be confused, as I never did this.
You are literally glorifying surplus value extraction by calling it "self-sacrifice and devotion to the advancement of society", exactly like a reactionary would to justify our current capitalist system.

You have no idea of what you are talking because you are an idealist moron who thinks communism is cool because it has edgy aesthetics, and it is obvious that you have not read Marx because you still think in idealist terms like "sacrifice and hardship".
Illiterate workerist dumbasses like you are an actual net negative for the communist movement and >>223331 is absolutely right, in a DotP you would get sequestrated like the French sequestrated their bosses in the past.

>I don't think lumpen ramblings constitute "literature", let alone communist literature

These people are independent German scholars who have dedicated their lives reading Marx and writing essays about the dynamics of capitalism. Their writings has been read by other serious Marxist scholars such as Heinrich and Postone.
Who are you, moron? Another insignificant service worker feeling self-important? Maybe the lumpen in the whole affair is you.

>You do realize that proles, the agents of communism, are the "wagies" you deride so obsessively, right?

I know it very well, because I'm a wagie myself.
I'm not proud of it, I would rather make music with friends instead of doing meaningless shit for a meager wage.
I don't understand why you are arguing that I should continue doing useless shit I hate 5 days a week and make it sounds like having bullshit job is somehow good because it's "sacrificing for the nation communism"

Look at the fucking material conditions of today instead of spouting literal fascist rhetoric under the veneer of Soviet aesthetics.
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 No.223530

>>223525
>I dedicate my life to helping the blind, sick, and disabled
Very few workers do this these days. In Western countries, most of them are stuck in a office (or at home now) doing meaningless shit with Excel or deliver shitty fast-food to such office drones.
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 No.223537

>>219686
>There is a difference between reduction in working hours brought about by greater productivity and the "wahh i dun wanna work" bs being pushed in this thread
No, there really isn't. A gradual reduction of the working day (so as to maximize free time) has been a common goal of labor movements since the 19th century. Communism at its most essential entails the abolition of wage labor, which is why conservative critics deem it nigh on impossible.
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 No.223540

>>223530
>or deliver shitty fast-food to such office drones.
Rise and grind, anon; it's time to do an operaismo but for freeters, gig workers, permatemps, etc 💪😎
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 No.223550

>>223528
>muh workerism
>muh noble lumpen
>muh blessed art
The politics of an adult teenager. You will never amount to anything unless you grow up. If you can't bother to do that then do the world a favor and kill yourself, like you no doubt want to anyway.
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 No.223566

>>223550
>Obsessed with status, sacrifice
Are you some fashoid /pol/ transplant?
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 No.223577

>>223566
Is that all you do? Baseless claims of fascism, like some ignorant liberal?
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 No.223579

>>223550
<muh workerism
Yes, workerism is a disease, it's reactionary, glorify capitalist exploitation and it's antithetical to the communist movement. See >>223537
<muh noble lumpen
Where did I imply that the lumpen was noble in my post? Don't you have any sympathy for Marxist scholars who are doing it for free? What do you even do for a living? Why do you have free time to shitpost? Shouldn't you be working right now?
<muh blessed art
Are you implying that art is worthless? Are you a psychopathic motherfucker devoid of emotions? If so, why should we listen to anything you have to say?

Fuck off back to /pol/, illiterate nazbol.
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 No.223608

>>223579
>Celebrating proletarian achievement is reactionary
>Productive labor doesn't exist outside of capitalism
lmao
>Don't you have any sympathy for Marxist scholars who are doing it for free?
"Marxist scholars" that completely break from Marx, engage in vulgar revisionism, propagate lies, and deride every successful socialist power to ever exist? No, I can't say I do. In fact, I would say I despise them and their mindless betrayal.
>getting triggered over art
Pathetic
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 No.223643

>>223176
>Thats the point

Sure, but, it's not a strike against the system like you think. it's already accounted for, every i dotted & every t slashed. It's a totally neutral action.

However, it can work as good propoganda for radicalizing people, maybe. But, so can a lot of other things. Theft is just a tool among many other tools.
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 No.223644

Adding "abolition of work" to the list of topics that attract ex-/pol/tards next to porn and sex.
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 No.223648

>>223644
>it can't be that communists disagree with me
>they must be glowuyghur /pol/ups!!
come on bro
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 No.223674

>>223608
<Celebrating proletarian achievement is reactionary
Where did I imply this?
<Productive labor doesn't exist outside of capitalism
<labor
HOLY SHIT READ THE FIRST CHAPTER OF CAPITAL FOR FUCKS' SAKE, ENGELS CLEARLY EXPLAINS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORK AND LABOR. WORK DOESN'T NECESSARILY CREATE VALUE, ONLY USE VALUE. VALUE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS USE VALUE. CAPITALIST EXPLOITATION IS DEPENDENT ON VALUE PRODUCTION.
The English language has the advantage of possessing different words for the two aspects of labour here considered. The labour which creates use value, and counts qualitatively, is Work, as distinguished from Labour, that which creates Value and counts quantitatively, is Labour as distinguished from Work
>t. Engels

>"Marxist scholars" that completely break from Marx

You are the only one completely breaking away from Marx here. It's totally obvious that you haven't put the effort to read the dozen of pages that constitute the Critique of the Gotha program. Stop posting now and read it, instead of making a fool of yourself.

>engage in vulgar revisionism, propagate lies, and deride every successful socialist power to ever exist?

You are basically no different than a bot. Would explain your illiteracy.

You didn't answer me when I've asked what is your job, and why do you have so much time to shitpost, so I assume that you are either a GPT bot or a NEET.
I can understand being a NEET, I can understand being a workerist wagie who want to drag everyone down to their own little misery, but I cannot understand being a workerist NEET. It's probably the most ridiculous thing you could be in this world.
Get a job and shut the fuck up, if you like wageslavery so much. Do more overtime, if it can prevent you from posting here.
Personally, I have some work to do this afternoon, so I will leave it that.
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 No.223680

>>223648
I mean everyone seething against it ITT keeps bringing up reactionary logic.
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 No.223692

File: 1620218233447.png (14.11 KB, 112x112, ClipboardImage.png)

>>221293
>>221301
>>221328
Hi, just finished another 12 hour midnight shift making pipes. Is it so hard to believe not everyone on this site is a NEET? Anyways, off to bed for me, I'll respond to your schizophrenia tomorrow.
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 No.223707

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File: 1620218923859-1.jpg (83.85 KB, 679x802, commieguy.jpg)

>>223692
>Hi, just finished another 12 hour midnight shift making pipes. Is it so hard to believe not everyone on this site is a NEET?
No, just factory is an uncommon job these days for Anglo posters, also it's the fabled Marxist dream job. Well, congratulations on getting your soul crushed. You earned it son. So are you organizing and agitating at your workplace?

(did you take off your name Sage or different guy?)
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 No.223747

>>223550
You know what, lumpen can be pretty based and a fair share of them have revolutionary potential. Though tbh, I also just like smashie shit.
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 No.223840

File: 1620222696641.jpg (7.57 KB, 224x224, massgraves4landlords.jpg)

>>223707
>Well, congratulations on getting your soul crushed.
Thanks anon, it runs in the family. Who needs theory when you grow up in poverty while both your parents work full-time? (don't worry I'm trying to catch up on my theory as we speak)
>factory is an uncommon job these days for Anglo posters
True, the service sector dominates but
>it's the fabled Marxist dream job
Can't relate, I just take any job that doesn't force me to interact with the public because I'm, frankly, socially retarded.
>So are you organizing and agitating at your workplace?
To be honest, not yet. I need to do some reading first (open to suggestions). On top of not knowing how to organize, being young/shy and being pretty new to my current place of employment, I live in a relatively rural place in Canada where most people are conservative. Climate change denial and racism pass for small talk, so I've kept my trap shut when it comes to politics.
>(did you take off your name Sage or different guy?)
Yeah that was me, didn't mean to namefag yesterday, I now realize I only need to put sage in the email field.
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 No.223847

>>223840
I don't care about your gay little debate but:
>Taking suggestions
What have you read so far comrade?
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 No.223850

>>223674
>I am going off about this detail of your post using a bit of linguistic crankery about English by a non-native speaker to show that you have capitalist super-AIDS in your brain
There is a redundancy in the English language which allowed Marx and Engels to use the words labor and work to have somewhat distinguished meaning, but they didn't actually consistently use them that way themselves. It should be clear from the context what the other poster meant.
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 No.223876

File: 1620223766203.jpg (1.32 MB, 3181x1985, xmas_swag.JPG)

>>223847
What have I read so far as it relates to organizing and agitating for unions? Absolutely nothing.
Beyond union related stuff but still theory? I've only read Marx and not completely (currently working through the German Ideology)
Attached picture is basically all the Marxist theory I own.
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 No.223903

>>223876
If you read all of that you're good to go mate. I can't recommend specific literature on organising, but it shouldn't be difficult to drop truth bombs, building your way up with coworkers. It's not 'complicated', everyone hates their lives, it's just placing this hatred and distrust with the ruling class. It sounds like you just gotta work on confidence mainly
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 No.224084

File: 1620229148989.jpg (26.75 KB, 744x478, pf-begay-docrimes.jpg)

Question for the workerists ITT: Would you deny money to your org if the proceeds were from crime?
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 No.224126

>>224084
If you told me you got it from crime I would assume you were a fed. Don't ask, don't tell.
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 No.224346

>>221333
I live in the third world, no neetbux here. My parents are in part to blame for bringing me to this world to suffer as a slave. The least they can do is support me until I find a way to support myself that doesn't give me panic attacks.
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 No.224358

>>224346
Also, don't know why I wrote this post in present tense. I actually got a job I can bear with (freelance at least) in my late 20s and now live with my girlfriend, so not leeching off of my parents anymore.
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 No.224372

File: 1620233875737.png (106.96 KB, 537x1206, jehu-work-less-full-versio….png)

>>223850
I admit it was a nitpick but honestly I don't care because the poster is a retard, accusing Robert Kurz and Norbert Trenkle of breaking from Marx and "engaging in vulgar revisionism" while at the same time posting a crass apology of capitalist exploitation echoing Christian morality, as if telemarketers were helping the blind, sick and disabled lmao.

I still think the distinction between "work" and "labor" is important to be made, it would make plenty of dumb arguments like "u want no work? u shall not eat lol" or "FALC is unrealistic therefore reducing labor time in any amount whatsoever is unrealistic" moot if we all agree that we want to get away with wage labor and not productive work in general.
I have a friend who used to make food for the homeless during winter. He was paid nothing for this, probably even lost money in the process. It was hard work for him, but what he did was more useful than a lot of jobs available on the market today.
This distinction is very important because, as some are arguing, reducing labor time would help dealing with a lot of problems like inequality and climate change (pic related).

>>223747
My hottake is that a lot of people are actually lumpenproles in the current economy, if you start to include unemployed people, gig workers, etc. I don't have an elaborate theory about this, but I don't think that you can build a serious socialist movement these days if you often disparagingly sperg out about muh lumpens. Marx and Engels didn't use the term that much after The 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte anyway.
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 No.224483

File: 1620237297000.jpg (420.88 KB, 1698x2560, 81cwrPg DXL.jpg)

>>223550
>muh noble lumpen
yes.jpg
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 No.224733

Socialism will not tolerate any parasite bourgeois or NEET. If you do not contribute to society you wont enjoy it's fruits. Simple as.
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 No.224863

>>221328
^ >>223692 you read it I'm a wagie to, I work 40-50 hours a week laying the pipes you make.
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 No.224880

>>224372
Jehu's take is more radical than that, he sees the complete abolition of wage labour as synonymous with free time and free association exclusively - which basically agrees with the Marx quote on fishing in the morning and doing something else in the afternoon. Jehu even points out that ending wage labour with more labour is illogical, an argument could be made that initially a moderate 3-5 hour 'work week' may be necessary but it's abolishment should be swift. The key is that creative play under free association shouldn't be considered work.
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 No.225005

File: 1620254653815.jpg (73.75 KB, 913x664, labor-vs-socially-necessar….jpg)

>>224880
>Jehu's take is more radical than that, he sees the complete abolition of wage labour as synonymous with free time and free association exclusively - which basically agrees with the Marx quote on fishing in the morning and doing something else in the afternoon.
I know this, but it seems that a lot of people in communist circles sadly see this proposal as unrealistic and utopian, even though agitating for labor time reduction is probably our last chance to become relevant again before climate change irreversibly fucks everything up.
It's already hard to argue in favor of a 15 hour workweek here, which Keynes in the 1930s envisioned as a realistic standard workweek in our era, so imagine the average /leftypol/ poster replies when you start proclaiming that "Communism is free time and nothing else!" and that we could already enjoy higher-stage communism right now with the present state of productive forces.

>Jehu even points out that ending wage labour with more labour is illogical, an argument could be made that initially a moderate 3-5 hour 'work week' may be necessary but it's abolishment should be swift.

Interesting, can you point me to a blogpost where he talks about this?
In my mind, I thought Jehu basically solved the problem of reformism vs. revolution: if socialists manage to permanently reduce labor time to minimal levels by whatever means, it's already a revolution in the grand scheme of things.
I'm not aware of any writing of his which tries to anticipate what could possibly happen between the instantiation of a 15 hour workweek and a 0 hour workweek (i.e. complete abolition of the wage labor system).
All I know for sure is that he thinks a 32 hour workweek would be an easy concession of the ruling class to workers that would barely harm porky interests, and that we need to reduce labor time much further than this if we want to start getting real.

>The key is that creative play under free association shouldn't be considered work.

I tried to emphasize the distinction between "work" and "labor" for this very reason: I didn't feel like working when I was serving drinks at pay-what-you-want punk shows, yet it was still work. I suspect a lot of higher-ups at my office job hardly do anything except e-mailing each other, yet they are considered as productive members of society solely because they have a decent place in the wage labor food chain.
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 No.225006

>>219651
Poverty is not socialism. To be rich is glorious.
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 No.225017

>>225005
Oh the bit about the five hour work week was just my two cents from previous writers like keynes and even solanas. I'm not going to rail against any socialist that thinks in such terms tho (why I said an argument could be made), I absolutely agree with Jehu saying we need free time and nothing else personally.
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 No.225023

>>225006
Fake quote
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 No.225024

>>219573
Unironically and absolutely and positively based
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 No.225056

File: 1620255710437.pdf (450.19 KB, 67x118, Anthropocene, Emissions Bu….pdf)

>>225017
I realized I misread your post just after hitting the "New Reply" button lol, sorry about that.
>I absolutely agree with Jehu saying we need free time and nothing else personally.
I do too, his thesis simply points toward the right direction, and it's crazy to me that some communists think we still need to ramp up commodity production in order to live comfily in a very distant future somehow, especially when contemporary economists are starting to draw the conclusion that climate change won't be mitigated in any way unless the OECD countries and China would halt GDP growth (PDF related).
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 No.225769

>>222992
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA please be joking oh my god
>>222985
t. somebody who knows nothing about crime
>>223128
>What you steal doesn't come out of the porky's wallet.
It does actually
>>223123
Theft from/defrauding businesses hurts the business, not individual employees. If it didn't hurt them, then they wouldn't spend so much money on loss prevention and anti-fraud systems.
>>223140
giga based
>>223133
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T STEAL SHIT! THEFT IS IMMORAL, MY BOSS TOLD ME SO!
>>223145
>Everything you steal and the inflation and deflation of the over all economy is already factored into the system.
true
>The only benefit to theft is the material benefit you gain from freeing the commodity from the hands of capital.
This is partially true. Even if it isn't directly taking from their profits, it still has an effect. If we lived in a world where nobody in the world stole from or defrauded businesses, then they would make more profit, but that is obviously not the case, so they are forced to take it into account. Praxis or not, I will steal because it benefits me. The proceeds could also be used to fund political activity, so there is that too.
>>223181
>Your goal is to make your life better. In that you are not that different from porks.
<Trying to make your life better makes you a capitalist
OH NO NO NO! Communism isn't a race to be the poorest you fucking retard.
>>223207
Building your ideology on moralism is like building a castle on sand. Working class people become communists because it is an ideology that benefits them as members of the working class. If you are a communist only because you believe it is "right" then you will not stay a communist.
>>223281
You could try your hand at blogging
>>223477
>muh lumpen
sheltered, pale, petite bourgeois zoomer hands wrote this post
>>225024
Class-cuck. There is nothing glorious about work.
>>223124
>You can make decent money with fraud/carding
join the matrix. my uncle who died in a boating accident wants to swap methods
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 No.225786

>>225056
First we ground all the airplanes
How's it look now?
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 No.225800

>>222849
Fucking kek, I'm glad I checked this thread again. >>223419
You can save the doc as a PDF btw.
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 No.225802

>>219793
typical NOI n¡gger
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 No.225805

File: 1620284095506.jpg (153.9 KB, 750x1086, based department.jpg)

Because I need money to survive, dipshit
>>219573
based alert
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 No.225812

>working like a civil member of society? NO, LET'S ROB THAT PROLE!

Illegalists are scum and basically engage in a super profitable version of M-C-M'
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 No.225829

>>225812
>looting capitalists is robbing proles
wdhmbt
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 No.225832

>>225829
The commodities you steal are sometimes discounted from their salary to the proles that work there.

Retard
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 No.225838

>>225832
who does this apply to with regards to Amazon, then?
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 No.225839

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>>225802
>typical

Yeah, problem? I like free things
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 No.225842

>>225838
What do you mean by that?
Just because a portion of your illegal activities harms workers less doesn't mean you are not scum
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 No.225847

>>225842
Can you cool your spergout for one second, I don't even do this stuff. I fail to see why withholding labor from porky's machine is so bad though, I also have literally no reason to respect his law or order either.
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 No.225871

File: 1620286694542.jpg (351.75 KB, 618x900, popup_good_life.jpg)

>>225769
>Building your ideology on moralism is like building a castle on sand.
I never said that communism is based on the morals I was expressing. Though I will say that communism benefits more from a system of values that encourages people to work for the collective whole, over one that tells everyone to abandon any sense of duty or responsibility and advance their own private interests above anyone and anything else.
I don't see how this could be controversial, as this is clearly a bourgeois mindset. While you may say that your interests are best upheld by abolishing capitalism, it seems to me that you only believe this because you think you do not have the opportunity to enter into the capitalist class and reap the rewards of the system. If you were to somehow do so, what would stop you from abandoning the communist effort, a movement that would obviously leave you materially bereft for the rest of your life?
On the other hand, if that never happens and you are relegated to the ranks of the working class forever, what is to stop you from abandoning the cause when things start looking bad? Why would you even fight at all, given the massive risk it brings to your person?

Those of us that understand the necessity of collective action can answer these questions easily, but I cannot see how you would without contradicting yourself. If there is a way, please explain it. As of now, if there is anyone whose loyalty is built on an unstable foundation I say it is you all.
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 No.225876

>>225847
Nobody here is sperging lol.

When you "steal from porky" most of the time porky just subtract that amount of value from their workers, you can never actually "steal from porky" because all the value porky has was already created by the workers themselves and he just appropriates it.

Hence why illegalists who appropriate value created by the workers are scum, as I said, they engage in a much more profitable M-C-M'
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 No.225877

>>219573
I'm thinking you're based.
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 No.225880

>>225876
What if I don't care about any of that shit, it's nobody's fault the overarching system of capitalism exists, and I'm going to do it regardless of your rage at "scum", because I like to do it?
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 No.225881

>>225876
That's an excellent point. These people steal from thieves, consuming the product of the worker's labor exactly like a capitalist would, and then expect to be celebrated and respected by the working class whose labor they used solely for their own benefit.
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 No.225884

>>225880
Then expect nothing from anyone, and don't complain when the hammer falls. Not when the capitalists show you no mercy, and not when workers show you no pity.
If you want to live as a parasite, do not be surprised when you are treated like one.
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 No.225886

File: 1620287610300.jpg (7.66 KB, 238x214, a061aa59c8a9594d99b86f2573….jpg)

>when the hammer falls
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 No.225887

>>225880
>What fi I don't care if my actions further exploit the proletariats
As I said, you are scum.
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 No.225894

File: 1620287966018.gif (477.53 KB, 400x215, e6b82397-ee2c-4131-a56e-15….gif)

>when the commissars come knocking on the local anarchist's door looking for the twenty tons of grain he took from a bourgeois warehouse
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 No.225895

>>225887
Yeah faggot how about this: Under capitalism, I would even actually rather be a member of the big bourgeoisie than a lumpenprole or proletarian. Why the fuck wouldn't I? Because it's "wrong" or "bad" or "inethical"? The fuck? You're either an underling or the boss, and you're reproducing the system no matter which position you're in, why would you not exploit the system (which hurts people anyway and is an incomprehensible labyrinth of pain where you can often never even really know what your actions or labor are going to) for your own human self-interest?
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 No.225897

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 No.225900

>>225897
You all are basically the equivalent of telling me I'm scum because I snag a few loafs of bread off the slaveowner's stash, because if he doesn't eat as much as his heart desires he might have a temper tantrum and go lash his slaves a few extra times. It's not my fault wageslavery exists, and I actively support its abolition
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 No.225902

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>>225895
Ok that's interesting, but as I said, you are scum
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 No.225908

>>225902
Frogposters are scummier
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 No.225909

>>225900
I'm not the one calling you scum, but you definitely are.
To fit with your analogy, you are like a white man stealing bread from a slave master when you know they're going to whip their slaves as a direct result of your theft. You could simply make some yourself, or work for enough pay to buy some, but instead you decide to cause trouble for other people because it is more convenient for you.
And you see nothing wrong with that. What an exceptional amount of moral degeneration.
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 No.225911

>>225909
> stealing from porky IS LITERALLY THE SAME AS BEATING SLAVES
i hate this thread so much
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 No.225914

>>225911
Scroll up a bit and you'll see the anarcho transhumanist say they'd rather be the slave owner
That's why they're getting this reception
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 No.225917

>>225911
That was literally the analogy /they/ set up /for themselves/ here: >>225900
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 No.225919

>>225917
well the point is to abolish slavery not to become a slave yourself
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 No.225920

>>225909
>when you know they're going to whip their slaves
No I don't, and you don't either
>You could simply make some yourself, or work for enough pay to buy some
Why do you assume this?
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 No.225927

>>225920
>Why do you assume this?
Can you not? Are you mentally or physically retarded?
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 No.225934

>>221461
>>225769
Can you tell me how to use that Matrix link? I literally have Element open and can't figure it out lmao
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 No.225935

>But it hurts slaves proles
Again this doesnt matter because its Communism not Workerism. Stalin robbing a bank transport in broad daylight using grenades harmed proles. Naxalities extorting small biz owners hurt proles. FARC car bombs hurt proles. And again in my case Im robbing firstoids who are are sanctioning my country, causing people here to lose their jobs. Go ahead and tell me this is bad.

We shouldnt be concerned if robbing businesses hurts proles, we should be concerned if it hurts communists. Like I would never shoplift here (in a poor city in a poor country) or target businesses in Cuba or even China
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 No.225936

>>225935
>Stalin robbing a bank transport in broad daylight using grenades harmed proles.
Cuz he was a heckin chud!
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 No.225938

>>225935
The difference is that those communists were doing it for the benefit of the working class as a whole, not for their own personal satisfaction. We should absolutely be concerned about pointless, selfish violations against members of the proletariat. Though I guess it's easy to disregard the lives of proles if you aren't one of them.
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 No.225943

>>225938
Transferring wealth from the imperialist bloc to people here also helps proles and its allowed me to help some of the homeless/unemployed/pensioners here
>personal satisfaction
>selfish
Nothing wrong with this. Its capitalism thats tell workers they cant be selfish and need to sacrifice everything for capital
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 No.225944

>>225938
how did stalin use the robbed money for communism
genuinely curious
did he use it to buy guns for the red army?
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 No.225959

>>221461
I've joined the server with a test account, but we don't know the room names and there's no public list.
What's the next part of your master plan?
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 No.225962

>>225944
>buy guns for the red army
oh god, this is the level of education on leftypol
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 No.225970

>>225944
First, this was way before the civil war. By the time the Red Army was a thing the Bolsheviks were big enough to be the ones getting robbed, not doing the robbing.
Second, Stalin was not acting on his own accord. He lead his robberies on the orders of the Bolshevik party as a whole, which used the funds for anything; propaganda, organizing, weapons, whatever.

>>225962
We have a lot of new people coming in recently. Don't start shit with people honestly trying to educate themselves.
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 No.225975

>>225943
It can help individual proles, but not the proletarian class. And I don't think giving porky money to homeless people really counts as helping proles anyway.
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 No.225977

>>225970
>We have a lot of new people coming in recently. Don't start shit with people honestly trying to educate themselves.
The only education they gonna get in this thread is how to be petty thieves.
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 No.225982

>>225977
>The only education they gonna get in this thread is how to be petty thieves.

Based
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 No.225984

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 No.225985

>>225984
Only if you are petty bou…i mean anarchist
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 No.225988

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>>225985
>Petty bouj is when you steal from smol biz owners
>>225975
Wealth transfers from the imperialist bloc (which steals surplus value) to the global south and former socialist bloc definitely helps proles here (see the labor aristo thread)
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 No.225989

>>225988
Are you gonna tell me how to join the Matrix room, pirate poster?
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 No.225998

>>225988
I can say with relative certainty that someone who was stealing sums of money large enough to have even the slightest effect on the class relations of even a single community, let alone entire regions, would never be saying anything like you do in a public forum.
You most likely don't even make enough from your efforts to support yourself, you aren't changing the world by engaging in petty theft.
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 No.226009

>>225998
Im not pretending that im able to help everyone here. But ive been able to help a few. Besides I dont live in the west or any places that extradites to the west
>You most likely don't even make enough from your efforts to support yourself
I make enough that I dont have to work at all. Its not that hard. Besides the guides posted here there are dark web forums for this stuff
>>225989
I havent joined yet
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 No.226044

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>>225839
>>225802
>typical NOI n¡gger
WTF, i love NOI now.
>>225832
>The commodities you steal are sometimes discounted from their salary to the proles that work there.
Blame your boss, not me.
>>225800
Both backed up at: http://weckybv74pbgbzjcw65jfdnd4dpxxzuxwefrgiz56ljdidobfpoj6cqd.onion:86/
>>225881
>and then expect to be celebrated and respected by the working class whose labor they used solely for their own benefit.
But we are. The thief/robber is always the hero of the story though, retard.
>>225914
You would rather be a slave?
>>225934
>>225989

>Can you tell me how to use that Matrix link? I literally have Element open and can't figure it out lmao

Click 'create an account', and do that but set the home server as: https://matrix.saintmaxshomeforwaywardcatboys.xyz
>>225959
Join General or message 'Kanellos' for now.
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 No.226079

>>226044
>The following users might not exist or are invalid, and cannot be invited: Kanellos
bruh
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 No.226081

>>226044
I registered as @junko if you want to invite me
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 No.226106

>>226081
I cannot into Docker. You will have to wait for the one who installed matrix, sorry.
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 No.226136

>>226106
I'll keep the tab open
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 No.226314

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I don't
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 No.226321

>>219566
my job pays for shit but I like the customers. tbh I get more social interaction at work than anywhere else. I spent years as a neet so I may be biased but I kind of like working tbh. now, my job probably wouldn't exist in a communist society but there will always be a need for some level of "customer service" I feel
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 No.227386

To the people who have joined the matrix: I have invited you to the General and will continue to keep an eye out for new members if anybody else wants to join.
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 No.227426

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>>224863
Solidarity forever. Thankfully I don't work more than 3 days in a row for a little over 40 hours per week but I'll complain about 12 hour shifts every chance I can get.
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 No.227491

>>227386
Do I have to verify my account to join? The room doesn't show for me in public list.
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 No.227510

>>219573
Absolutely cucked
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 No.227605

>>227491
Public rooms are hidden unless you are invited/added by another member. This is only temporary until we figure out a better solution. At the current moment. Also you do not need to verify with email or anything like that– an email and password with the homeserver's domain is all you need. I went through and initiated DMs with the users and sent room invites for the general. Have you checked in the past two hours or so?
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 No.227732

>work 9–6
>have to study for this test that I need for work…after work (no time during the day)
>am burning out

at this point I just want to sell drugs or work as a barista, this existence is awful.
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 No.227896

>>227732
join our matrix and learn e-crime
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 No.227946

Protip for people using Element for Matrix offline, you can have multiple accounts open at once using the –profile command line option. Its not an opinion in the normal visual window yet.
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 No.228031

>>227896
[spoiler]I couldn't figure it out[/spoiler]
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 No.228050

>>227896
im sorry anon but how the fuck does this work and I feel so fucking paranoid using this
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 No.228057

>>228031
Where are you at now? Do you have a desktop app (e.g. Element Desktop) or are you just using an online one like element.io? I'm afk so I cant help with the online one.
Do you have an existing account? If so, you'd have to log out or create another session (such as with the profiles option in desktop) because that anarchoanon intentionally didnt allow federation with matrix.org due to not trusting other instances.
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 No.228068

>>228057
Not him but just wanted to say I used it once because I wanted to roleplay with sexual stuff and I'm afraid discord could get doxxed or hacked and my info gets out, don't know if Matrix was any safer, I suspended my account but never gave them my hotmail so I assume the only piece of data they would have of me would be my IP
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 No.228069

>>227896
I wish you faggots used a good messaging protocol such as XMPP.
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 No.228073

Hey anarcho, if you're going to keep advertising your Matrix channel and not make it publicly searchable, can you put a basic tutorial on your main page for how to set up an account and wait to be added, and link to that instead of the normal room invites that won't work?
People are struggling to get in.
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 No.228079

I don't want to work. I want to improve society somehow. Working is just overproducing shit no one really needs. If we only produced what's necessary we would have to work much less. If we waste all our days producing shit no one needs we can't improve society.
If i work, only my boss gets the benefits. And only those who has the money can make use of what i've produced. I want to work to help my friends and the people in my commune. Not the interest of a hideous capitalist pig.
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 No.228084

>>228079
fucking drunktexting at 3 am
If i have to work at least help my friends and people in my commune*
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 No.228685

>Hey, prol! Are you tired from your job? Listen to me and you never have to work again! I earn BIG MONE from INTERNET! YOU CAN DO TO! All you have to do is…

This thread basically. If you a dumb enough to fall for this scam, you do not belong on this board.
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 No.228842

>>228685
>Carding is a scam
>Fraud is a scam
Also reminder to use Virtual Machines, use VPN (paid with crypto, maybe route connection through tor as well), dont spill personal info
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 No.228875

>>228842
You're going to get some idiot teenager arrested with this nonsense.
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 No.228905

>>228875
lately there was an influx of /pol/yps posing as anarchist, so maybe it is his goal
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 No.229008

>>228905
show me examples
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 No.229651

>>228875
There problem for bad opsec, not mine.
>>229008
Foucault thread. A ancom poster yesterday. a transhumanist poster who namefags.
>>228685
Anon, are you legit retarded? We are saying people should start scamming, not that they should fall for a scam.
>>228069
>XMPP
is bad for group. What do you have against unfederated Matrix?
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 No.229850

>>229651
>is bad for group. What do you have against unfederated Matrix?
>unfederated
Literally that
Also, matrix is in theory federated, but every single matrix user i know use matrix.org as server
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 No.229855

>>229850
Anon, what I am saying is for this server it is only people registered on the server using it. It is not connected to the other servers. Or, this is my understanding, I did not stand up the Matrix.
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 No.230451

>>228031
>>229850
>>229855
>>229651
>>228842
>>227605
>>227491
>>228069
>>228073
I'm going to turn on federation and make it publicly accessible when I have time, so probably sometime tomorrow. If anybody is still interested in joining, or didn't feel like putting in the effort/didn't feel comfortable with registering an account on the homeserver, then check back then.
>>228842
This
>>228079
Agreed, but one has to find a way to survive without being employed, whether it be getting government money or crime. Both of those things would afford one more time to actually do things to improve society.
>>228685
Yeah, there are scammers trying to scam people in the fucking fraud community, and water is wet, but we aren't selling anything, quite the opposite.
>>228875
I wouldn't condone teenagers doing this sort of thing. One has to be well aware of the risks. Only people who would rather take the chance of getting arrested than continue to work should get involved, and nobody under the age of 20.

That being said, it is easier to avoid detection by law enforcement when you keep all of your work virtual, encryption can keep you from getting convicted if you do get arrested (depending on the country, but in that case there is deniable encryption), and people tend to receive fairly light sentences for this sort of stuff compared to drugs and "blue collar" crime.

But yeah, if you are young then hold off a bit if this appeals to you.

To anyone else still following this thread, or anyone with any interest in the things discussed, we have setup an onion site with some useful PDFs, and we will continue to upload more in the next week.
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 No.230936

>>225881
i dont get, if stealing and defrauding people is so good at expropriating money from workifn soyciety, why don't workers stop being workers and learn to steal? why bitch about it? re-skill and start stealing. It's the same as botching about how hot dudes get all the girls. Stop being pathetic.Why are you making communism this caricature that we need to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator of poverty and misery and hard labor? Raise yourself up into communism. Heaven is open for all that will enter. Why do workers only seeth and not start stealing? Who cares about your hard work? No one. Realize your foolishness and stop working so hard when it can be taken away with ease and impunity. You're laboring at parasitic work for a paresite in a parasitic scoiety. DOnt be buttmad, realize that you were only living the default, unreflective lifeway, and then change now instead of be salty at the more evolved lifeforms in capitalism
>>225909
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 No.230940

>>225998
why is it not good enough that someone can just help themself?
If helping people in more exploited areas of the globe is good… then why shame someone for not being able to steal enough? One person being saved from poverty or labor is a miracle and a blessing. Communism in one would-be-prole at a time. As we help each other out more, we will be able to steal more and then the moralists who want handouts will be happy, as the people who are too legalist and righteous to involve themselves in the dirty acts get the trickle-downs into the economy
you will be happy in time if the anarkiddies have our way with it
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 No.231065

>>230936
>>230940
Based posts
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 No.231127

>>219602
well yes we should but thats for seperate reasons, really we should all just be subsistence farmers and agrarian laborers.
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 No.231148

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>>219573
NOOOOOOO! YOU CANT SAY THAT! THATS LITERALLY SLAVERY NOOOOOO!
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 No.231150

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>>219566
>Why do you not take what you need to live in your country though whatever criminal means you need to?
because if you get caught you will go to prison where you will have no freedom at all and possibly be physically or sexually assaulted, or abused by the guards, and eat terrible food, and be very very bored.

If you wageslave it you can at least have some free time outside that with freedom
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 No.231448

>>219566
Because the criminal means would mean that I would be working as much as I am now.
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 No.231449

>>230936
>why don't workers stop being workers and learn to steal?
>Why do workers only seeth and not start stealing?
Slave mentality. Politics of ressentiment.
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 No.231450

>>219573
This person is based. This thread is triggered because they are neets who've never worked for a cent in their lives. These middle class moochers are going to work and they're going to see what it's like to work 12 hour days, 6 days a week.
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 No.231453

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>>231450
>This person is based. This thread is triggered because they are neets who've never worked for a cent in their lives. These middle class moochers are going to work and they're going to see what it's like to work 12 hour days, 6 days a week.
<t. not a communist.
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 No.231456

>>219651
More based post. Working class people actually know their value and hard work unlike these children of upper middle class suburbia who got traumatized when they had to work at McDonald's. They afraid of actually having to work for their living. The only people who deserve short working days are the working class working endless days and nights just to put food on the table, not these losers who just want to be on the computer all day.
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 No.231458

>Why do you not take what you need to live in your country though whatever criminal means you need to?

because this will likely end up worse then obeying the law
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 No.231460

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>Communism is when you force people to slave away even harder.
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 No.231461

>>223114
>Workerism
Found the the petite bourgeois wrecker. If you want to start your own party of lazy petite bourgeois you have the freedom to do so. But don't bring your petite bourgeois laziness into a workers party with working class values and working class economy.
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 No.231464

>>223114
There's plenty of shit we need to do. So we aren't going to be kicking back any time soon.
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 No.231467

>>231460
>booohooohoooo having to help lift shit lightening their load and saving their back is slaving away
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 No.231469

File: 1620483735511.jpg (89.85 KB, 640x798, 1615070454895.jpg)

>You are petite-bourgeois because…. uhm.. you just are
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 No.231470

File: 1620484032644.png (610.36 KB, 1091x1012, pepe.png)

Your parents are gonna get old and tired at some point, and you'll have to find a job and work inevitably.
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 No.231471

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<why how do you do fellow communists, how do you feel about a protestant work-ethic with 12 hour work days 6 days a week?
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 No.231489

>>231471
O hai there porky
The only people who would be "forced to slave away" would be those who do nothing
Everybody else would get to work lesd
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 No.231499

File: 1620484777101.jpg (105.68 KB, 500x600, -12418581561815.jpg)

Jokes on you, I have 3 sugar mommies funding my shitposts and can get more as time goes on and replace them as I go. Eat shit tankie.
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 No.231511

Lemme get my whiskey
It brings me great pleasure to toast the forthcoming revolution
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 No.231519

>>231489
This, you fucking retard>>231471
Porky will work the factory and know the value of hard work. The only people pressed into hard labor will be porky and the upper middle class.
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 No.231521

>>231511
You larp, we make paper. :)
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 No.231528

>>231521
Son the whisky is there because I need a walking cane to stand up
Now why do so need this?

Ah let me do another toast to the forthcoming revolution and the following progressive reduction of the workday until it is finally 0 hours for all with luxury for all
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 No.231543

>>231528
>I need a walking cane to stand up. Now why do so need this?
You are eternally buttblasted?
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 No.231557

>>231549
>I perma-fucked my body for the bossman
sounds pretty cucked guy, ngl.
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 No.231576

I actually really like my job, apart from the wage slavery part. If we had fully automated luxury communism, I would probably be doing similar.
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 No.231577

>>231557
It's the kinda work that'll be neccesary for society to function until it gets automated away

A toast to your future education in it with plenty of time for proper form and no more than 5 hour shifts so smarty pants you can figure out how to automate it make it unnecessary and do your part to abolish work

Cheers
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 No.234851

I make good money but I work strictly as a means of survival. In any real sense I don't get more out of it than the basics: food (not healthy because I don't have a lot of time to cook) and shelter (small and expensive). I don't have a lot of free time because I work a lot and if I'm not at work I'm still stressed out about it. I can't ever fully unwind on the weekend because it's just not enough time.

I just realized in the shower that life in prison would be very comparable.

Clearly I won't be able to do this until retirement, but I don't really want to be
homeless. What can I do? Thinking about living in an RV but even that isn't necessarily sustainable.

By the way I don't think this poster has a job if they're against shortening the work week:
>>231461

There's a lot of suspicious people ITT that think socialism is going to be state capitalism with busy work at 40 hours per week. Those people should voluntarily gulag themselves.
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 No.234861

why is this on /b/
(rhetorical question)
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 No.234879

>>231461
>t-t-t-the the uuuh the the the uhm…
fucking stuttering retard, being a lumpen doesn't make you extra super worker, if you are desperate for work you end up in a camp anyways, don't worry buddy
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 No.234883

This thread is literally inhabited by "post-left" anarchists who are always aligned with the right wing.
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 No.234902

>>231576
what's your job?
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 No.235003

>>234883
[citation needed]

I don't consider myself post left by the way
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 No.236431

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>>234883
A. this board has very little post-leftists on it.
B. You have absolouely 0 evidence that the post-left aligns with the right wing rarely, let alone always. I know this because therre is no proofs to post. faggot wrecker fed cuck.
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 No.236440

>>231470
No, they'll forgo all dignity and fake illness to get the government to take care of them. They'll probably brag about it too, before dying like caged animals.
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 No.236453

>>231461
>start your own party
why

>workers party

larp
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 No.236463

>>236440
>if you con the state out of money you lack dignity. Destroying your body and slaving away for your entire life to enrich some small pork or corporation is the dignified path, and totally not the way to die like a caged animal.
Peak projection, cope, and spookery.
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 No.236470

>>236440
nice projection
back in the cagie, wagie
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 No.236484

File: 1620667736064.png (3.18 MB, 2000x1333, based-doggo-chile-1.png)

>>236440
>they'll forgo all dignity and fake illness to get the government to take care of them.
Yes it is based. For the same time you worked I got payed to fuck until the afternoon and then play with my computer the rest of the day.
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 No.244866

I have a hard time taking anyone seriously if they don't have a skill - something they are good at to the degree that someone would pay them for their time. People without skills are unlikely to be useful in any context.

>b-but they can be politically useful somehow

People who are good at speaking and organizing and writing are speaking and organizing and writing. Listening to podcasts, playing video games alone and shitposting on /leftypol/ isn't a skill, it's recreational.

If you are completely unskilled then you are unlikely to have any personal experience to draw on, you are at best well versed in books - most of which is old and describe a mode of capitalism that hasn't been the dominate form since the 1980s.

>but working is for cucks

You can only say that from a position of the radical privilege given to the western upper/middle class. Under socialism you would be forced to become useful or end up like the bourgeois in Russia. I wouldn't tolerate able bodied people fucking around instead of doing something useful.

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