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 No.219664[View All]

So one of the main reasons /pol/tards are so resistant to Marxist ideas is the fact that they believe in race realism and similar "scientific" ideas. I will attempt to debunk three of the most crucial race realist tenets in this thread.

a. Ethnic diversity(With the same culture even) causes societal trust to decline.
b. Blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes.
c. There is a genetic IQ gap between races.

A: There are two types of diversity
-Diversity of culture and language
-Diversity of race
>It is found that diversity of race when culture and language are the same does not effect trust significantly(2% difference at most) thus proving Civic nationalists correct.

>Diversity of culture and race causes a minor but significant decline in trust, however the effect is not seen in a good economy but a bad one. Also poverty still has a greater effect on trust than even this kind of diversity.

Source:https://leftypol.org/edu/res/5576.html#5579

B. Now it is true that in the USA race is a stronger predictor of criminality than poverty. However single motherhood is another factor which is stronger than race.
>Also the racial crime gap between Hispanics and whites seem to have closed" Declines in disparities were more pronounced when considering jail inmates of both sexes between 2005 and 2018 with the ratio of disparity per capita declining from 4.8 to 3.2 between blacks and non-Hispanic whites and 1.6 to 1.0 between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites.[79] "
>Another factor is inequality which drives homicide rates.
>over a 20-year period, the American states that had the greatest inequality in visible expenditure—spending on items such as clothing, jewellery, cars, and eating out—also suffered the most from violent crime. So if you’ve got it, don’t flaunt it—especially if your neighbours don’t have it as well.

However let us look at other countries.
>In Brazil the Non-white homicide rate is double that of the white rate.
>But their poverty rate is also double that of whites.

Finally the UNDOC(UN department on drugs and crime) statistics completely dismantles this argument.
The Homicide rate of Africa as a whole is 13.5

>However if we look at poor countries without any inequality or active conflicts we see that the homicide rate is ridiculously low, Dirt poor countries like Malawi, Benin, Burkina Faso, Liberia, Sao tome and Principe, Guinea and Guinea-Bissau have rates between 1-3.


>The countries which have high homicide rates in Africa are horribly unequal like S.Africa and friends or have an active conflict going on like CAR or the DRC or Mali.


>Finally we have the middle countries with rates between 3-8? Good rates but still slightly uncomfortable, the Horn of Africa all seem to share maybe it's due to the low-intensity conflict that is there or maybe something else.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/867757/homicide-rate-brazil-ethnicity/
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-
https://www.commitmentoequity.org/publications_files/Brazil/CEQ_WP60_Pereira_Nov23_2016.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

C. I've looked into this topic, and It's too complex for me to unravel, however I would like to point a few things out.

>The famous IQ map of the world I posted Is wrong.

>The famous IQ researcher Richard Lynn who made the map used the IQ of mentally retarded children in spain to come up with the numbers for E.Guinea, and many other such "mistakes"(Probably deliberate).
>Another famous IQ researcher Eysenck has had his papers retracted or accepting money from tobacco companies I think.
>But In the end this topic requires many more lines than what I'm capable of.
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 No.227007

>>226952
Two /pol/tards were here, one of which got BTFO'd on genetics and crime rates. I haven't seen a single /pol/tard offer an explanation of low African crime rates in my life.
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 No.227011

>>227007
Yeah, I noticed how they didn't respond to murder rates among West Africans being lower than among African Americans in the US.
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 No.227016

>>227011
There are weekly terror attacks in Nigeria. You really think their homocide rate is lower?
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 No.227017

>>227011
Yes and when I pointed out the source was the UN and war torn areas like the DRC and CAR recorded very high homicide rates, so the stats very probably reliable no one answered.
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 No.227021

>>227016
Nigerias is 9 high, but not abysmal. Terror attacks do not take a high toll per capita, also do you have proofs for that assertion?
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 No.227026

>>227021
>Nigeria recorded 662 terrorist attacks in 2014, with 7,512 people killed, 2,246 injured and 1,512 properties destroyed.

7000 killed, not much change in a country with more than 200 million people.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/193626-nigeria-now-third
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 No.227032

>>227026
If a /pol/ack’s argument is that black people are more murderous due to their nature, then the claim has a big fucking hole in it when African Americans have a murder rate of 20 and West African countries have one of around 1 or 2. Go ahead and focus on Nigeria, it doesn‘t invalidate the fact the other countries blow a hole in that assertion.
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 No.227035

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>>227026
Also most Asians who have come here as refugees have not done very well, this is to counter the rightoid Asians worked hard but blacks didn't. Most Asians rich Asians in the USA are from the rich class at home.
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 No.227037

>>227032
Those countries are shitholes without running water. You really think their national crime statistics are close to accurate?
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 No.227039

>>227037
Bruh I already covered that argument
>>227017
Also Ghana which is much more developed has a murder rate of 3.
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 No.227045

>>227039
Actually Ghana's homicide rate is even less at 2.09

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GHA/ghana/murder-homicide-rate
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 No.227053

>>227039
Ghana has 2.1. The highest they have had in the last 20 years was 2.2.
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 No.227056

>>227035
How do you know that?
Seems like the graph shows east asians doing better than south east asians.
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 No.227058

>>227037
>blacks don't even have water, you expect them to keep accurate statistics?!
Ah, we are here. This is where you call us all uyghurs, maybe spam some CP and gore, yes?
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 No.227061

>>227058
Not an argument
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 No.227074

>>227056
Look at
>Hmong
>Cambodians
>Laotians
>Burmese
>Thai

All do much worse than Chinese and Indians who are filtered.

>>227061
I gave you a competent black country with a nordic crime rate of 2, also the DRC and CAR who can't get water to their citizens have an accurate(Very high) homicide rate because these are recorded by the UN.
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 No.227075

>>227061
my no friends friend, these is nothing to argue with here.
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 No.227077

>>227074
Yeah and they are all south east asian. That's what I'm saying.
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 No.227085

>>227077
What difference does it make?
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 No.227092

>>227074
Competent? Their largest economic sector is agriculture and they rely on foreign aid.
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 No.227094

>>227092
>they rely on foreign aid
…and?
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 No.227097

>>227085
It shows a racial/ethnic difference in performance. It's wrong to lump east asians with south east asians.
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 No.227105

>>227094
If they didn't even receive foreign aid and charity from europeans every year they'd be far worse off.
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 No.227110

>>227097
But that's simply because only SE Asians have fled recent conflict most E asians have come via controlled immigration.
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 No.227111

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>>227105
So lemme get this straight…

Poverty makes people violent?
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 No.227113

>>227092
What rubbish
>The economy of Ghana has a diverse and rich resource base, including the manufacturing and exportation of digital technology goods, automotive and ship construction and exportation, and the exportation of diverse and rich resources such as hydrocarbons and industrial minerals. These have given Ghana one of the highest GDP per capita in West Africa.[16][17] Owing to a GDP rebasement, in 2011 Ghana became the fastest-growing economy in the world.[18]
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 No.227117

>>227111
It doesn't explain the different rates of violence between different ethnicities. And in regard to Ghana I'm saying that they aren't competent.
>>227113
44% of Ghana is employed in agriculture
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 No.227124

>>227117
Ok, and?
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 No.227130

>>227117
>44% of Ghana is employed in agriculture
Yes but its clearly changing rapidly, I'm pretty sure the Ghanian government is quite competent. Besides you keep on sidestepping the homicide rates.
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 No.227133

>>227124
You are trying to make them sound advanced

>>227130
All developing countries are growing quickly. Kinda what happens when the fertility rate is 4 and a merre foreign factory doubles your tiny GDP.
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 No.227136

>>227133
Advanced? Because of no massive violent crime rate?

Who gives a shit of they’re “advanced” or whatever? And could that also be because of historical conditions?
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 No.227139

>>227133
>Mfw when developing productive forces and producing a lot of your future labor force increases the rate of development
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 No.227155

>>227133
Ghana is literally the fastest growing economy in the world you faggot. Either way I have to go to sleep, and unless a race-realist explain s why, if Africans are genetically criminal African crime rates are so low, without questioning the data. Which is fucking collected by the UN. Race-realism in that field is rubbish.
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 No.227173

>>227155
>>227139
They are developing quickly because they are poor. Most developing nations have very high rates of growth because of their small GDPs, international trade and high birth rates.
You keep trying to characterise them as competent when they literally rely on billions of European funds and resources to function.
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 No.227194

>>227173
> when they literally rely on billions of European funds and resources to function.
I already posted 4 or 5 sources explaining how the West is extracting more money out of Africa than they are putting into Africa. The idea that African countries get tons of money for free is a falsehood.
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 No.227272

>>227194
Any wealth that they are extracting is inaccessible to africans. It's the reason that China has to build their infrastructure, asks for payment and receives ports, infrastructure revenue or IOUs in exchange.
They cannot function as they are now without aid.
>The idea that African countries get tons of money for free is a falsehood.
No it's not. Foreign aid and charity is real.
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 No.227327

>>227173
>You keep trying to characterise them as competent when they literally rely on billions of European funds and resources to function.
We're talking about economic growth, so this is literally how most countries who trade on the international market function. If Turkey lost the ability to sell to western markets for example, it would lose its capacity to function as it currently does because a lot of it's exports are sold to the west.
>>227272
>Any wealth that they are extracting is inaccessible to africans. It's the reason that China has to build their infrastructure, asks for payment and receives ports, infrastructure revenue or IOUs in exchange.
That makes no sense. If what they are extracting is inaccessible, it wouldn't be being extracted from the country at all. The productive forces for extracting the resources are already built there, and have been there for decades. Foreign investment is also not the same a foreign aid.
>They cannot function as they are now without aid
Monestary aid is literally what keeps many African countries locked in debt with little domestic industry to show for it. I hate to bring it back up, but because you keep ignoring it I might as well say it again: Burkina Faso literally developed infrastructure without western aid.
>No it's not. Foreign aid and charity is real.
Do they ever tell you the "aid" isn't free, and how it effectively functions as an IMF debt chain?
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 No.227336

>>227272
Oh. Didn‘t know that Western companies operating in Africa not paying their taxes is „money inaccessible to Africans“. These African countries lose billions because of that. The West can call it foreign aid and imbeciles like you will fall for it. It is a charade while a larger system around it extracts far more money beyond that.
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 No.227361

>>227327
Turkey is exporting something they produce. Not the same thing as receiving aid or letting a foreign nation build infrastructure there.
>If what they are extracting is inaccessible, it wouldn't be being extracted from the country at all.
No, I said it's inaccessible to Africans because they can't extract it themselves.
>burkina faso
Is a shithole with most workers being goat herders and farmers. Next.

>>227336
You can't lose money that you were never making and could never make
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 No.227503

>>227361
>Turkey is exporting something they produce. Not the same thing as receiving aid or letting a foreign nation build infrastructure there.
Again, the west's "aid" is just loans with high interest rates tacked on, and it isn't assisting in building infrastructure that can actually be used.
>No, I said it's inaccessible to Africans because they can't extract it themselves.
Says who? Much of the mining infrastructure in Africa for example was built decades ago. And if it was actual "aid", they wouldn't be providing monetary loans, they would just provide equipment and the like.
>Is a shithole with most workers being goat herders and farmers. Next
After what occured anon? C'mon, you know the answer. Also, Burkina Faso's main export is gold. And having farms as part of you economy doesn't make it automatically a shit hole in term of development, especially if that's what your geography call for.
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 No.227519

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<And so the battle lasted 2 days, but the comrades fought and justice prevailed. Hordes of unwashed, sweaty /pol/acks stormed the bunker, but our brave women and men mowed down the lackeys of Capital unwaveringly. Our enemies came armed with false data, misinterpretations and crude heuristics - our comrades wielded truth and reason. For every Alt-Right blogpost they listed as a source, our comrades responded with the iron hammer that is scientific fact. The fashoid hordes jolted in horror as the light of truth made their ugly faces visible to the world, and they ran to every dark hole and corner to find safety in. They stumble in the dark, their heads twisted and torn by idealism and metaphysics. Our women and men look down with pity, endowed to see the truth of the world through the lens of material dialectics. This battle was won, but the fashoid roaches made the bunker their home for the time being.
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 No.227524

>>225784
the article you linked does not attack the predictive power or validity of the IQ metric in any way. did you just google something and hope that it backed up your assertions?

educational attainment, job performance and income are not "nebulous", they're really important and two of them are extremely easily measured

>>225684
IQ is affected by environment more than the underlying factor (intelligence) with which it is correlated and which we care about. the data suggests that if you were to raise those Khoisan in America under American parents their IQ would probably be much higher than 65.

>>226027
I've actually seen this entire (meandering, unfocused, typically Shaun-esque) video in the past. He spends most of it shitting on Lynn's datasets and insulting Murray. Which is, y'know, fair enough as far as that goes. But at no point does he "debunk IQ". Do you even have an idea of what it would mean to "debunk IQ"? What exactly would you be debunking – the idea that some people are generally smarter than others? Or the idea that a test can give you a pretty good idea of how smart someone is? Or do you imagine that such a test really could exist, but that the commonly used IQ tests are not such tests?
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 No.227607

Ghana, a country that still FUCKING BURN WITCHES ALIVES, has an official murder rate of 1.8.

What are we going to do /pol/ bros? We are totally debunked here… Should we take our L and move on?
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 No.227632

>>227607
>>227626
out of curiosity is there any data on the murder rate for white Ghanaians
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 No.227654

>>227607
Looking at the number of worldwide witch executions (which surprisingly has a record page), this is actually still a pretty rare occurrence, with Saudi Arabia having more excutions of alleged witches, of which are state sanctioned. Still, the argument intially was about murder rate, which falls flat when making comparisons.
>>227626
>It's a country in which journalists regularly get shot to dead… but they have an official murder rate of less than 2.
This seems to be more a corruption issue rather then a situation of journalists randomly being killed on the streets.
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 No.227756

>>227607
>a country that still FUCKING BURN WITCHES ALIVE
Damn, Africa is starting to sound pretty based.
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 No.228340

>>226085
It's almost as if hard science and political economy are not as related as soft social science and political economy

God damn, you poltards are so stupid lol
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 No.228360

>>226806

>it is the best general predictor for life outcomes that exists.

No it isn't lol
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 No.228361

>>226806

>it is the best general predictor for life outcomes that exists.

No it isn't lol
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 No.228376

>>226175
>Being an amerifat
Lol

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