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 No.219664[Last 50 Posts]

So one of the main reasons /pol/tards are so resistant to Marxist ideas is the fact that they believe in race realism and similar "scientific" ideas. I will attempt to debunk three of the most crucial race realist tenets in this thread.

a. Ethnic diversity(With the same culture even) causes societal trust to decline.
b. Blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes.
c. There is a genetic IQ gap between races.

A: There are two types of diversity
-Diversity of culture and language
-Diversity of race
>It is found that diversity of race when culture and language are the same does not effect trust significantly(2% difference at most) thus proving Civic nationalists correct.

>Diversity of culture and race causes a minor but significant decline in trust, however the effect is not seen in a good economy but a bad one. Also poverty still has a greater effect on trust than even this kind of diversity.

Source:https://leftypol.org/edu/res/5576.html#5579

B. Now it is true that in the USA race is a stronger predictor of criminality than poverty. However single motherhood is another factor which is stronger than race.
>Also the racial crime gap between Hispanics and whites seem to have closed" Declines in disparities were more pronounced when considering jail inmates of both sexes between 2005 and 2018 with the ratio of disparity per capita declining from 4.8 to 3.2 between blacks and non-Hispanic whites and 1.6 to 1.0 between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites.[79] "
>Another factor is inequality which drives homicide rates.
>over a 20-year period, the American states that had the greatest inequality in visible expenditure—spending on items such as clothing, jewellery, cars, and eating out—also suffered the most from violent crime. So if you’ve got it, don’t flaunt it—especially if your neighbours don’t have it as well.

However let us look at other countries.
>In Brazil the Non-white homicide rate is double that of the white rate.
>But their poverty rate is also double that of whites.

Finally the UNDOC(UN department on drugs and crime) statistics completely dismantles this argument.
The Homicide rate of Africa as a whole is 13.5

>However if we look at poor countries without any inequality or active conflicts we see that the homicide rate is ridiculously low, Dirt poor countries like Malawi, Benin, Burkina Faso, Liberia, Sao tome and Principe, Guinea and Guinea-Bissau have rates between 1-3.


>The countries which have high homicide rates in Africa are horribly unequal like S.Africa and friends or have an active conflict going on like CAR or the DRC or Mali.


>Finally we have the middle countries with rates between 3-8? Good rates but still slightly uncomfortable, the Horn of Africa all seem to share maybe it's due to the low-intensity conflict that is there or maybe something else.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/867757/homicide-rate-brazil-ethnicity/
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-
https://www.commitmentoequity.org/publications_files/Brazil/CEQ_WP60_Pereira_Nov23_2016.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

C. I've looked into this topic, and It's too complex for me to unravel, however I would like to point a few things out.

>The famous IQ map of the world I posted Is wrong.

>The famous IQ researcher Richard Lynn who made the map used the IQ of mentally retarded children in spain to come up with the numbers for E.Guinea, and many other such "mistakes"(Probably deliberate).
>Another famous IQ researcher Eysenck has had his papers retracted or accepting money from tobacco companies I think.
>But In the end this topic requires many more lines than what I'm capable of.
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 No.219671

>>219664
Also in the crime rates, for the same crime blacks are more likely to be found guilty and given a harsher punishment than whites, so even that inflates the crime rates artificially.
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 No.219674

>>219664
racism is not a result of mere lack of education, you wont win them over with some education, that's liberalism
it's a social ill
what keeps them from marxism is not racism itself but the distraction it offers from capitalism
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 No.219679

>>219674
Maybe, but scientific evidence can convince even people whose careers depend on not understanding something.
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 No.219689

File: 1620108528191-0.pdf (1.88 MB, 386x300, Race and IQ Revisited.pdf)

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Good thread. Race doesn't exist, it's not a scientific concept. Remember to use these papers.
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 No.219692

>>219664
>All Lefties dump your anti-race realism materials
>If this thread comes out good, It'll be nice to archive and use against /pol/yps.
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 No.219712

This seems like a really unproductive ordeal. Poltards are poltards not because they think darkies are stupid, but because they hate the other in general, and then use justificatory bullshit. Also poltards seem to have dropped the black hate for seething about trans people these days. I don't even see le merchant man that much, its all just muh dilate.
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 No.219721

>single motherhood
The eternal female
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 No.219724

>>219718
What! definitely cultures but not races at a meaningful level, the white hispanic gap in incarceration has literally closed.
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 No.219752

>>219739
See I am an utilitarian my question is, is there so much difference between the races that a strong Commie society cannot be built? So take it that way.
>Trust in a Multiracial society would not be effected.
>Crime rates would not be effected.

So that's enough for me.
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 No.219764

>>219760
What, I looked at scientific studies and data, so far you have not provided any evidence that counters my statistics.
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 No.219766

>>219764
feels>reals
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 No.219837

>>219766
Let's leave the thread to stew and see if someone can add more arguments or if someone can come up with a half-decent counter-argument.
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 No.219964

>>219689
Then why are there uyghurs with ugly black faces and fat lips? clearly races are real
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 No.219977

>>219964
This is the best argument right-wingers can put up, behold.
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 No.219983

>>219664
if race isn't real then why can't i get a bone marrow transplant from a black man(USER WAS WARNED ELSEWHERE)
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 No.220005

>>219983
The reason isn't race. Race is simply an obsoleted proxy surpassed by genetic science.
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 No.220006

>>219983
My point wasn't that race isn't real, It was that diversity of race only does not reduce trust and that blacks are not genetically criminal(BTW the incarceration gap is closing for blacks and has closed for whites and hispanics).
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 No.220039

>>219983
Race is obviously real
We are just saying that race doesn't make enough of a difference to worry about it
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 No.220052

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>>220039(Author)
I would say that race is partially useful, but genetic clusters are more useful. Like how Finns are around 10% Asian.
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 No.220072

>>219983
Your girlfriend gets a bone from a blackman
Checkmate atheist
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 No.220081

>>219664
Comrade Hakim debunked many of the racists' talking points:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX80nwePTowtAJMoyXFjL1_PZ_flGaIDu
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 No.220086

>>220006
>My point wasn't that race isn't real
>>220039
>Race is obviously real
In objective scientific terms race is not real. You can talk about the social consequences of racial believes, but maybe you shouldn't enable them. It doesn't look like you can manipulate these believes towards a net positive.
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 No.220087

>>220086
Yeah, more like clusters, fothe amount of times the med meme is abused on /his/ and /int/ it is strikingly accurate. But still using racial categories to deradicalize people is not good or what?
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 No.220117

>>219664
Flynn effect
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 No.220127

>>220039
There is diversity in the human species, these differences scientifically don‘t constitute a race.
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 No.220128

>>220086
I agree with you but the context was bone marrow transplants
In this case, race is definitely and objectively real but it just describes a vague collection of ethnicities
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 No.220138

We might archive this thread if it ends up with good material and effort posts. Keep it up, comrades.
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 No.220149

>>220127
We have no problem putting types of dog horse breeds into categories.
Are you happy to treat Dog categories (gundog, hound, terrier) or Horse types (Cob, Draught Horse, Riding Horse) the same way?
They are obviously social constructs but would you feel the same way about them as you do Humans?
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 No.220156

>>220149
The thing is that human races are like one dog breed with different variants, not different dog breeds.
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 No.220160

>>220087
I don't understand your post, so i don't know if my reply makes sense to you. I don't think you can win against racism until you refute their false premises. There are no human subspecies.
>>220127
>There is diversity in the human species,
That is mostly false too, humans are, at least genetically, a very homogeneous species. Every human is genetically more closely related to every other human, than apes are to their next of kin.
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 No.220169

>>220160
>That is mostly false too, humans are, at least genetically, a very homogeneous species. Every human is genetically more closely related to every other human, than apes are to their next of kin.
Literal disinfo
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 No.220176

>>219671
>blacks are more likely to be found guilty
nice pilpul, they are found means they did it
>given a harsher punishment than whites, so even that inflates the crime rates artificially
it doesnt work that way, shithead(I‘m not interested in you ruining the thread with low effort garbage replies.)
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 No.220183

>>220156
I wasn't talking about dog breeds
I was talking about dog categories
If you don't know what sighthounds, gun dogs and terriers are, just have a quick google
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 No.220184

>>219664
>The Homicide rate of Africa as a whole is 13.5
imagine trusting statistics coming from a mud hut continent
>>The countries which have high homicide rates in Africa are horribly unequal like S.Africa and friends or have an active conflict going on like CAR or the DRC or Mali.
if they kill all the whites inequality drops down - marxist utopia achieved!

>>Another famous IQ researcher Eysenck has had his papers retracted or accepting money from tobacco companies I think.

how is IQ related to tobacco?
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 No.220187

>>219664
When the nigs come nogging you will let them rape and kill you, leftism is just societal suicide.(Not a productive contribution to the thread. This isn‘t 4chan.)
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 No.220188

>>219674
>racism is not a result of mere lack of education, it's a social ill
bullshit, people who are racist have faced diversity eye to eye, those who live in homogenous neighbourhoods are the most woke antiracist people

also uyghur s dont want mixed race neighbourhoods, that gentrification yo

>>219689
>Race doesn't exist, it's not a scientific concept
it's a social construct and the only race that is willing to drop the social construct are whites and the coloureds will never drop the topic of race, because race gives them benefit by fucking over whites, if blacks dropped the topic of race they will never ever get reparations (gibs)
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 No.220192

>>219712
>Poltards are poltards not because they think darkies are stupid, but because they hate the other in general
>YOU ARE JUST A HATEFUL INCEL
keep it up buddy, I'm sure it will resonate with nazis
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 No.220194

The typical fallacy. You can‘t immediately make a comparison from one species to another because their generit diversity is not necessarily the same. Let‘s take dogs for example. The genetic difference between dog races is more segregated relatively speaking than with human populations. Meanwhile there is a lot of genetic overlap between different human populations. This comes from the fact that the reproduction of dogs, as a domesticated pet species, is controlled and deliberate. They reproduce because their owners want to and human beungs pay attention to breed them distinctly and produce homogenous isolated types. Human beings have worldwide free migration. They have had so for a long time. Hence why there is a lot of genetic overlap. The genetic variance in dogs is much larger and in humans it is narrower. This is why there are no human races. We have different phenotypes, so we visually can look very distinct. That by itself does not mean on a genetic basis we are so segregated in distinct far apart clusters that we scientifically constitute races. We don‘t.
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 No.220196

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Look at him he really wants it
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 No.220201

>>220006
>incarceration gap is closing for blacks and has closed for whites and hispanics
well of course if you put bullshit laws that forces DA to treat them with kid gloves and defund police in ghettos no wonder incarceration drops. Of course it get followed up by a spike in violent crime, but who cares, equality achieved!
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 No.220202

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>this Thread
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 No.220210

>>220184
>imagine trusting statistics coming from a mud hut continent

it's from UNDOC not the African governments.

>if they kill all the whites inequality drops down - marxist utopia achieved!


in S.Africa whites are the least likely to be killed.

>how is IQ related to tobacco?


No there was some controversy about him connecting a personality type with cancer to exonerate tobacco companies, and his papers were retracted including the IQ ones.


>>220187
Not an argument.

>>220192
You're hardly respnding fith facts

>>220201
Proof of blacks being let go more easily then whites?

>>220202
See Nazis are irrational, the only half-valid pointyou made was not trusting the data apart from that it was simply appeals to emotion. If you don't have data then quite frankly as usual Feels>Reals
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 No.220218

>>220202
Artificial selection is very different from natural selection.
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 No.220235

>>220128
>I agree with you but the context was bone marrow transplants
But bone marrow transplants are matched by human leukocyte antigen proteins, not racial categories.
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 No.220244

>>220194
I didn't say they were matched by racial categories.
However the matches do correlate with race
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 No.220252

>c. There is a genetic IQ gap between races.

Let's just take a step back and ask ourselves what could be gained if it was actually true: a very broad and powerful tool to dehumanize millions of people. The color of their skin makes them easy to identify and it's nearly impossible to hide. They can't take it off like an orange jumpsuit or a coat with a yellow star.

Even if the unsuspected listener doesn't buy into it right away it can also be used to sow the seeds of doubt. Once again affecting millions.

That's just one and a half reason why some people want it to be true and why they will keep repeating it until all people of color are gone. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
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 No.220256

>>220252
Out of all the topics, that is the one over which the most ink has been spilled.
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 No.220259

>>220252
If a study came out tomorrow that definitively, and beyond all doubt, proved that there was a substantive difference in intelligence between races, would you accept it?
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 No.220263

>>220244
Elaborate. Because to me it sounds like you are mistakenly rationalizing a social construct backwards. Proximity, culture, socioeconomic background, history, climate, geography all have an influence how populations develop and what persistent behavioral patterns they exhibit. Especially if re-enforced by the dull beliefs of average people acting on the idea that these behavioral traits are inherent to a population.
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 No.220269

>>220263
What?
how are behavioural patterns and culture related to bone marrow?
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 No.220282

>>220259
The question is flawed from the get go because it presupposes the existence of races among human beings to begin with. Plus the question doesn‘t mention whether it‘s proven on a genetic basis. Even if proven on a genetic basis that a certain population has lower intelligence that still doesn‘t justify a racial categorization. Scandinavian people are taller on average and it‘s linked to genetics. Do they now constitute a race? They don‘t. Variation does exist in the human species, but nothing as to draw distinct enough lines to meet the scientific definition of race. Calling them so devolves into settling for a social construct again.
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 No.220286

A few easy points for everyone to keep in their back pockets:
>Human genetic variation is unusually narrow among mammals, indicating a relatively recent population bottleneck
>Of this already narrow genetic pool, ~85% of all variation exists within Africa

>>219983
Two cars of the same model, from the same company, from the same factory, can have parts which, while fulfilling identical purposes, are non-interchangeable between the two. Some alterations may have occurred in the design or on the supply-side level at some point during the years or even decades those vehicles were being produced. They're still A) cars and not mechanical horses B) of the same model, although you ought to be aware of the year of production.
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 No.220360

>The famous IQ map of the world I posted Is wrong.
You realize that the less intelligent the third world is the stronger environmental explanations become? And the narrower the gap is between Africans in Africa and Africans in the imperialist nations, the stronger the genetic hypothesis is. If you believe in environmental explanations you should defend Lynn's botched estimates.
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 No.220385

>another threat of lefties arguing against shit that has either been debunked half a century ago or is nothing but straw
Read the actual arguments for once in your sorry lives
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/
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 No.220425

>>220360
>You realize that the less intelligent the third world is the stronger environmental explanations become? And the narrower the gap is between Africans in Africa and Africans in the imperialist nations, the stronger the genetic hypothesis is. If you believe in environmental explanations you should defend Lynn's botched estimates.

If the condtions are the same for both tests then the IQ would rise higher right.

>>220385
I read the article for Race and Crime, and he neither takes into account the GINI index or the Single mother factor, which predict crime better. Also he makes the false claim that the blacker areas of Latinoamerica are more violent, Haiti the largest unmixed group of Blacks in Latinoamerica has a homicide rate of 6 which is tiny compared to that of any other latin American countries.Also wasn't he BTFO'd by Kraut or something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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 No.220428

>>219664
I'm sorry, but you're just delusional if you think cognition has no genetic component. Where you set the lines in terms of race is arbitrary, but don't let your wishful thinking blind you to the harshness of Nature.
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 No.220433

>>220428
> if you think cognition has no genetic component
Nice strawman
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 No.220435

>>220428
If that's the case then I'm sorry you were among the unlucky ones
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 No.220439

>>220428
Bruh I didn't address IQ in this, try to tackle the other points. Also considering the two scandals and the pioneer fund and the mankind Quarterly and Amren is it not fair to ask that these IQ researchers are probably not motivated by a love for science alone?
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 No.220440

nothing to debunk when everythings pulled from their ass
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 No.220442

>>220428
it’s tied to reproduction rates more than anything.
just think about it, younger siblings are always the dumber ones
China has the one child policy and it’s the highest IQ
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 No.220452

>>220282
ok same question but replace ethnicity with race then
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 No.220453

>>220385
>>220425
The alternative hypothesis just pulled his statements out of his arse.
>the richest and whitest country in Latinoamerica Uruguay has a HIGHER homicide rate than the poorest and blackest country haiti.6vs9.8

https://www.statista.com/statistics/984832/homicide-rate-uruguay/
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 No.220454

>>220452
>>220282
replace race with ethnicity I mean
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 No.220455

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 No.220456

>>220454
Ethnicity is defined by origin and culture. You think you are proving anything on a genetic basis with that? What I said still stands.
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 No.220459

>>220425
>I read the article for Race and Crime, and he neither takes into account the GINI index or the Single mother factor
He as 12 different articles in that section. You can either read his article on family structure or poverty.
>Also he makes the false claim that the blacker areas of Latinoamerica are more violent
He cited the murder rates per capita for Latin American. 'muh Haiti' is whataboutism.
>Also wasn't he BTFO'd by Kraut or something?
No.
>>220439
>pioneer fund
Grasping at straws.
>is it not fair to ask that these IQ researchers are probably not motivated by a love for science alone?
That is a fair question and the answer to which is that hereditarians are unbiased wheras environmentalist are ideologically motivated.
>>220453
>the richest and whitest country in Latinoamerica Uruguay
Murder rate of of Uruguay is 9.3 vs that of Haiti with 13. No clue what the fuck you are on about.
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 No.220470

>>219837
>or if someone can come up with a half-decent counter-argument

Let's say, hypothetically, an adequate counter-argument existed. Would you even want it to be voiced? I would not. Consider for a moment Stereotype Threat – that when somebody is reminded of society's racial classification of them before taking a test, they score more in line with society's expectations. E.g., black people score lower on a math test when asked what race they are right before taking it. We have other implicit biases like this, too. When we see pictures of faces flash on a screen for a split second followed by pictures of objects for another instant, and then we're asked what the object was, we're more likely to guess that the object was a gun if the face was black. Consider that you, as a human being, are not actually capable of understanding the various extents to which your own brain is making racist assumptions about the world. Then imagine that there was some piece of information that was probably technically true, or at least indistinguishable from truth, but would make you even more biased in ways that you could not comprehend and which you could not undo. Would you want to be exposed to that information hazard? Would you want a whole imageboard to be exposed to it? I, for one, doubt that we here and now are wise enough to handle knowledge like that, and when we solicit such knowledge it seems to me that we are going through the ritual of summoning a demon we doubt the existence of – we may hope to disprove the demon by its absence, but what are we to do if a demon shows up?
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 No.220471

>>220459
>He as 12 different articles in that section. You can either read his article on family structure or poverty.
Firstly he seems to say that it has a very weak effect, but if you google for Single motherhood crime even the ultraliberal atlantic has an article saying it's true. And he didn't take into consideration GINI which is also a correlating crime factor.

https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/

>He cited the murder rates per capita for Latin American. 'muh Haiti' is whataboutism. .


Could you direct me to it please, also the Murder disparity in Brazil is explained by poverty as In my original post.

>Murder rate of of Uruguay is 9.3 vs that of Haiti with 13. No clue what the fuck you are on about.


Sources please? I hope they're the same for comaprision, these ones are from the same reearcher itself.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040687/homicide-rate-haiti/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/984832/homicide-rate-uruguay/

Also African countries with low inequality and no conflicts have low murder rates(UN surveyed) as I pointed out in the above post, which Far-righters never get into.
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 No.220475

>>220470
Very well written, You're completely correct I fear.
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 No.220488

>>220471
>Could you direct me to it please
From https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/07/race-and-crime-the-causes-of-black-crime-rates/
<The Black-White crime gap is not unique to the United States, either. Government data show the same thing happening in Canada, Isael, England, and Japan. Furthermore, Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean, the places on earth with the most Blacks, have the highest crime rates in the world.
>Sources please? I hope they're the same for comaprision, these ones are from the same reearcher itself.
I confused crime rate with murder rate and your original numbers are more or less accurate. Nonetheless factoids about Haiti or Uruguay don't really matter unless we can find a breakdown of 'crime by race' in which whites substantially outperform blacks.
>African countries with low inequality and no conflicts
The most common mistake environmentalist make is to control for factors that are caused by IQ or race. No shit if you control for X in outcomes caused by X the cause becomes meaningless.
>>220470
>Consider for a moment Stereotype Threat
Only has an impact in artificial experiments constructed by liberals that clearly are just as biased as you are.
>Then imagine that there was some piece of information that was probably technically true, or at least indistinguishable from truth, but would make you even more biased
You can't even admit that hereditarian are correct within your thought experiment of hereditarian being correct. Talk about fucking bias.
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 No.220505

>>220470
Ignoring an asteroid heading to Earth doesn't make the asteroid disappear, no? We should embrace these types of information and make the best of it. It's bubbling up somewhere in the world, ready to show its ugly face. It's better to be prepared for it.
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 No.220538

>>220505
If this unspeakable argument exists, it would not merely convince us of something bad which we might wish to ignore; it would convince us of something that would change the way we treat each other for the worse. Let's take your asteroid example and run with it, forming it into the mold above. Let's say that speaking the unspeakable argument for the existence of an asteroid would cause people to panic and riot, destroying everything around them right before impact; 90% of Earth's population will die in this scenario. Then, let's say that if we don't tell everyone about the asteroid a mere 25% of us will die from the impact and ensuing chaos. I can see an argument for holding one's tongue in that situation.

I think we're dealing with the issue of race better than we were in the past, and I expect that we'll deal with it better still in the future. If there is a bad pill we must eventually swallow related to the issue, it might go down a bit smoother in a few decades than it would today. I feel like it would probably be clever for us to wait to find out. I'm not necessarily arguing against academic inquiry, but I don't think this space is mature enough for the discussion (as evidenced by other posts in this thread).
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 No.220542

>>219664
<Fastest debunk!
Italians are not that smart.

*BOOM*
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 No.220555

>>220538
>it would convince us of something that would change the way we treat each other for the worse.
That's projection. IQ never was used to justify discrimination, ever. It is used to explain variance in life outcomes.

A more accurate example is that of quota minorities crashing our airplanes because they were never qualified enough in to achieve these positions in at the same rate as whites.
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 No.220564

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>>220555
>IQ never was used to justify discrimination
*blocks your path*
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 No.220570

>>220564
have you even read it?
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 No.220577

>>220570
It was written mostly to advocate for removal of poverty programs, discrimination against the poor. The racial chapter was blown out of proportion…..still.
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 No.220579

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 No.220592

>>220555
Do you think American culture has a history of denigrating the intelligence of black people to undermine the idea of treating them equally?

Please read both versions of this speech before answering: https://www.thesojournertruthproject.com/compare-the-speeches

But also, I was more trying to speak of individual changes in behavior rather than systemic problems. Like, the ways in which you as an individual interact with others. You suggested that minority quotas result in more deaths on airplanes. Do you think about this when you see a black pilot getting ready to fly your plane? If you meet a pilot in a bar, is your brain going to jump to this thought if the pilot is black even though you don't know whether this particular black pilot was helped by a quota system? Is that going to change how you interact with them in other subtle ways, as in how likely you are to buy them a drink or laugh at their jokes? Would you even know if it did? How?
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 No.220600

>>220488
> Furthermore, Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean, the places on earth with the most Blacks, have the highest crime rates in the world.

I checked the article, and he didn't provide a racial breakdown or any additional data for Latin America. Also Latin America bucks the trend, the whiter Northerly drug states of Mexico have more violence then the indigenous states.

In brazil the poverty rate for whites vs Nonwhites is double and so is the Crime rate, correlating almost perfectly.

>I confused crime rate with murder rate and your original numbers are more or less accurate. Nonetheless factoids about Haiti or Uruguay don't really matter unless we can find a breakdown of 'crime by race' in which whites substantially outperform blacks.


Errm, Uruguay is something like 90%+ White and Haiti 90%+ Black, with Uruguay being the richest and Haiti the poorest New world country, I frankly think that this a very powerful piece of evidence.

>The most common mistake environmentalist make is to control for factors that are caused by IQ or race. No shit if you control for X in outcomes caused by X the cause becomes meaningless.


That's just stupid, wars do not occur because of IQ they occur because of Geopolitics.

Also in a non conflict ridden an equal state blacks would still commit a huge amount of crimes if Race-realists were correct, it doesn't explain the Nordic tier crime rates of dirt poor states like Malawi.

On IQ I would like to add that I am close to 100% sure that the Amerindian IQ is close to equal due to the fact that Amerindian run states like the Zapatistas and Bolivia are much better governed as compared to Comprador colonial elite states they replaced.But that's another debate.
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 No.220601

>>220600
Not new world, Latinoamerican but Haiti is still the poorest country in the new world.
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 No.220623

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>>220081
Come on, why has nobody watched this? It debunks the death cultists in a neat package.
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 No.220638

>>220570
>>220577
Do you expect these white supremacists to be completely retarded? He‘s like Spencer, he will beat around the bush, use euphemisms and tip toe around his true intentions instead of calling directly for Jim Crow. He and his co-author fabricated IQ data to reach their conclusions. That‘s how hell bent they were to force their agenda. Of course it‘s a work of racist propaganda. Stop giving these halfwits the benefit of the doubt just because they semi-intelligently hide their intentions.
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 No.220649

>>220555
>quota minorities crashing our airplanes because they were never qualified enough in to achieve these positions in at the same rate as whites
this literally does not happen, the rate of air accidents in the US has declined massively since the 1980s. if anything white men are disproportionately represented (compared to their population share) in post-9/11 pilot error cases like *AA587, FLG3701*, COM5191, CJC3407, SWA1248…
(italics emphasizes particular "oh shit what the fuck are you doing" tier fuckups, 5191 and 3407 are "merely" major fuckups, and SWA1248 wouldn't be that newsworthy if they didn't hit a car.)

though this over-representation is probably more due to the fact becoming a pilot is fucking expensive than anything else.
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 No.220651

you know what fuck it i obviously don't remember how the formatting works and i'm not doing it again, that's the post, deal with it.
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 No.220657

>>220592
>Do you think American culture has a history of denigrating the intelligence of black people to undermine the idea of treating them equally?
However true this may have been it certainly isn't the case today.
> is your brain going to jump to this thought if the pilot is black even though you don't know whether this particular black pilot was helped by a quota system?
Yeah.
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/17/affirmative-action/
>>220600
>Also Latin America bucks the trend, the whiter Northerly drug states of Mexico have more violence then the indigenous states.
If that's true it's probably because of the drug war. Brazil is addressed here
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/03/06/holisis/
>I frankly think that this a very powerful piece of evidence.
It's doesn't address any of the central claims, so it really is nothing but an outlier. It doesn't contradict the relationship between melanin and crime, blackness, etc.
>>220638
>Richard Spencer
The guy is an irrelevant CIA shill.
>>220649
>this literally does not happen
Some airline announced affirmative action programs for their pilots, so yeah this is unironically going to happen within the next few years.
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 No.220659

>>220648
You seem to bring much wisdom to the table, wise South African. If you went north to Malawi and Mozambique you would leave the crime problem.
>>220656
MMM convincing genius here.
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 No.220675

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>>220658
>The mere soullesss reflection in his eyes, the giagantic lips and the horrid haircut give out his low intelligence.
Hmm, yes, your description truly creates a clear image in my head. See picture related.
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 No.220683

>>220658
>Your haircut reveals your intelligence
Do you realize how smart you sound? God I want to suck the shit from your rectum, king.
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 No.220686

>>220657
>Some airline announced affirmative action programs for their pilots, so yeah this is unironically going to happen within the next few years.
no it isn't. there were black pilots back in the 1960s-70s when airlines did far more for any qualified applicant what they're going to do for "affirmative action" candidates now. (that is, they used to actually pay for your training. now they'll make qualified financial aid available via partner organizations)

your error is that you're far too credulous and willing to take companies at their word - you hear "united airlines has an affirmative action program for pilots!" and you imagine a sky full of unqualified black women like they're actually going to radically change things up, rather than going to United's website and looking at the small print: their "affirmative action" to "remove barriers" to becoming a pilot in pursuit of their aim of a 50% diverse crew structure is…
a $2.4m scholarship fund, of which united funded $1.2m

an airline pilot's licence costs approximately $83,995, so for their $1.2 million contribution they'll get about 14 affirmative action pilot scholarships, 28 once the other $1.2m comes in.
They want a 50% diverse crew, so for that to have any effect you'd think United has a crew of about 56 pilots now, right? no, obviously not. they have 12,000 pilots, of which 20% are already "diverse", that's 2400 minority and female pilots at United already! their "affirmative action" is at best an increase of 2.33%!
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 No.220687

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>>220678
Here, have a reallife example of your description.
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 No.220691

>>220686
(incidentally, United's last fatal accident was in 1991. 1996 if you include commuter affiliates. if the diversity hires are going to make the sky fall, they're definitely taking their time with it…)
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 No.220694

>>220691
If it's about the dangers of flying in planes shoddy USA design and engineering is a far bigger danger really
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 No.220725

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>>220657
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/03/06/holisis/

>He doesn't say much about Brazil, except for wealth inequality, which supports what I say.


>LOL The alt-hypothesis is a idiot, in the maps he posted there is no correlation at all in Economic freedom and reporter freedom and race, Especially in Latin America. Chile stands out as a "white standard" country but genetically it's the same. As for the others its all over the place, Argentina and Bolivia in the same opinion, the Indian&African states of the Guyanas valuing free speech but their compatriots in the UK not. His hypothesis on race and societal values is rubbish.
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 No.220731

>>220725
Mexico and Chile being the same genetically, but wildly different on values, with chile being virtually white.
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 No.220756

>>219983
>>220039
Citation needed
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 No.220789

>>219983
>if race isn't real then why can't i get a bone marrow transplant from a black man
See
>Race and ethnicity are known to play a major role in donor recruitment drives, as members of the same ethnic group are more likely to have matching genes, including the genes for HLA.[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematopoietic_stem_cell_transplantation
>more likely to have matching genes, including the genes for HLA
Racialists see this as a smoking gun except that this sentence alone does not indicate that bone barrow taken from a black man is wholly incompatible. Other sources don't even mention race
>https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/bone-marrow-transplantation
>https://www.mayoclinic.org/departments-centers/bone-marrow-transplant/sections/eligibility/oec-20212229
There is genetic diversity among people but to maintain that this genetic diversity, such as with incidence of a given bloodtype, phenotype for hair, eye color, hair thickness, is insufficient data to maintain the grouping into race is anything but arbitrary. Scientists do not use race cohorts but instead haplotypes as haplotypes are much more useful. Race is not a static thing and never was. 100 years ago people of Irish descent were called inside-out negroes, Italians were considered non-white as well. Who gets to be called "white" is a product of the time. Whiteness as we know it knows its origins in the early 1600s where the planter elite in Virginia and the Carolinas recognized the need to keep white indentured servants from aligning themselves with black slaves. This accomplished this by inventing whiteness, so that they could maintain their colonial establishment. Before then whiteness wasn't a thing.
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 No.220947

>>220789
Are haplotypes that useful ?i have just highschool understanding of biology , i just remember retards at halfchan using it in a way that screamed pseudoscience
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 No.221000

>>220947
haplotypes=/=haplogroups
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 No.221056

>>220623
I just watched all three videos, anon. He's mostly right. He's wrong on a couple of points, but I won't say which. I'm not trying to add fuel to the /pol/tards' fire, but FWIW this guy isn't accurately representing all of the science he addresses. He is correct about many errors his opposition makes, but also makes a couple errors of his own. Is what it is.
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 No.221067

>>220947
Haplogroups are very useful for tracking lines of descent, both paternal (unbroken) and maternal. Whether or not they're useful for other things depends on the particular things.
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 No.221091

>>221056
Stop being so paranoid, we have like 5 /pol/acks at most on leftypol. You think they will return to their bee hive and spread the information across all Nazi communities. Just say it, because I want to expand my repertoire on this topic.
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 No.221103

>>220470
>Would you even want it to be voiced?
I am on the side of Truth (capital T) no matter how ugly and hard to swallow, so yes. I would want it voiced.
And when it comes to the topic of this thread, I recognize that there have been a lot of reprehensible political actors that have tried to mess with the science, but underneath it all there is some truth, and with enough data it will come out. That is actually how scientific progress is made – by gathering overwhelming amounts of data and evidence (labour mostly performed by grad/postgrad pseudoslaves) to the point that whatever emerges is deniable by only the most lunatic.
And if you seriously think the search for truth will land on the side of fascism or whatever rotten ideology, then why the fuck haven't you still called it quits?
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 No.221111

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 No.221112

>>221103
this

Scinetific enquiry is what made me a marxist. If it will make me into something else, then i don't mind.
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 No.221114

Is there a reason nearly all race talk and debate seems to be centered on black people? I never hear about the differences between other groups. Just black vs white.
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 No.221119

>>221114
Yes, because those debates are meant to be apologetic for already held racist position, not as a scientific discussion..
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 No.221124

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Hey Nazis, explain this
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 No.221129

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More
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 No.221135

>>221114
American culture has no concept of social class, so they sublimate class dynamics onto race instead.
Europeans who're deeply invested in this sort of thing usually have American brainworms.

(Not that Europe isn't also full of racists, but it usually takes a different form. Europe is predominantly "anti-immigration" while America is stuck with the fact that black people were there before the US was.)
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 No.221140

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>>221129
>>221124
There is still more of them too,but i will not post much
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 No.221197

>>221140
>>221129
>>221124
not a Nazi, but… what are they supposed to be explaining?
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 No.221220

>>221197
You know,they always like "mUh wHiTeS aRe SupErIoR,EsPeCiAlLy GeRmAnS" and attack progressivism-modernism as "mUh DeGeNaRaCy" and leftists as "low-IQ" but in fact whites, especially Germanics are most "low-IQ DeGeNaRaTe" by their logic
How they can explain that?
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 No.221226

>>221220
>How they can explain that?
"migrants are making those countries worse" would be my first guess
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 No.221270

Alright, I have three narratives for you, anons.

1) A general theory of racism. Here we will make no claims of specific races being better, but rather clear up terminology and state obvious facts. While "race" is an overloaded term with too many definitions to be useful outside of cultural contexts, there are in fact subgroups of humans with more genetic similarities than two random people selected from the global population would have. How many subgroups doesn't really matter, and depends upon the context we're speaking in (i.e. in one moment we may speak about differences between roughly French and English people, and at another we may identify different subgroups within the French population). Moreover, traits vary between subgroups. The fact that some human subgroups are taller than others on average is noncontroversial. What exactly constitutes intelligence is controversial, but for practically any criteria you can imagine there will be some subgroups which are more genetically predisposed to that standard of intelligence than others. For all subgroups to evenly tie, we would have to either get incredibly lucky – as lucky as we would need to be for every subgroup to have even average height – or be selecting a standard tailor made to reach equality. Without predicting who is more intelligent or saying what intelligence is, the basic proposition that some subgroups are more intelligent than others on average should be obvious.

2) Now for a special theory of racism. About 500 years ago, Mohammed told a more literate man to write down that marriage between first cousins was perfectly acceptable. Today, about 50% of marriages in northern Pakistan are between first cousins. Similar numbers abound nearby. Here we have an example of a subgroup of humans put in a relatively recent inbreeding experiment. This doesn't apply to the entire Middle East, but a good deal of it. What do you expect such an experiment to produce?

3) Now for another special theory. 90% of human biodiversity resides in Africa; there is more genetic difference between the Bantu and the Pygmy, who share borders, than there is between the French and the Han. It was a small couple of groups who left Subsaharan Africa, and they mixed together afterwards. They also mixed with Neanderthals and (in the case of East Asians, Australian Aboriginies, Native Americans, and Pacific Islanders) Denisovans. This is called archaic admixture. Outside of one subgroup that migrated back into Subsaharan Africa in recorded history, there is very little evidence of Neanderthal genes crossing back over the desert, and if they did at all they did so in very small amounts. There is some evidence of another archaic hominid in southern central Africa that mixed with some of the local population, but this is a little bit sketchy (based on reconstructed genetics from living populations – no remains of the proposed hominid have been found, which isn't surprising either way given the climate) and the genes haven't travelled as far. So, why is the fact that literally all subgroups of humans who migrated out of Subsaharan Africa mixed with Neanderthals important? They were separated from us by a great spanse of time (I hesitate to say how much because of some contradictory evidence, but long as fuck). The separation and recombination of genomes is a way of searching the possible space of what an organism can be. The /pol/acks will point out that "race-mixing" brings birth defects, and they're actually a little bit right, but they're not telling the whole story. There are birth defects, and also better recombinations. It's a form of accelerated mutation, in a way. It takes time to sort the good recombinations from the bad, but it can be done. The Askinosie Jews, a hybrid of Jewish and European ancestry that has been allowed to sort itself out for hundreds of years, currently scores higher on IQ tests than even the Denisovan-injected East Asian lines of humanity. A coincidence with superior culture? Perhaps. Regardless, this narrative I'm pitching, which is bad news for Subsaharan Africans, doesn't actually endorse the date-within-muh-haplogroup bit that the /pol/acks love. It also points to the 90% of human biodiversity still stuck in Africa as a goldmine for recombinations, even if the implications for present day individuals in these populations are bleak.
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 No.221274

>>221226
Yeah, you couldn't use those maps to make an argument for something like trad fashism, but you certainly could make a rather compelling one for ethnostates.
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 No.221289

>>221270
>About 500 years ago, Mohammed told a more literate man to write down that marriage between first cousins was perfectly acceptable.
I don't know if that's the case here, but it should be noted that when religions codify something it is usually already well established as a practice among the population.
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 No.221295

>>221289
also, that should very obviously be 1500, lulz
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 No.221430

>>221270
remarkably level headed post given the subject.

I don't disagree with your premises in 3) but I do think the conclusion you draw is orthogonal to what we would call "/pol/ack arguments" against race mixing. You seem to be noting that outbreeding probably has the overall effect of enricihing a population's total gene pool, which is true as far as it goes. But AFAIK most opponents of "racemixing" don't oppose it on such lofty grounds as "total genetic capital"; their concerns have more to do with, let's be honest, preserving certain traits such as blue eyes and white skin, as well as the the immediate welfare of the next generation (ie., when 100 IQ pairs with 85 IQ, the offspring average 92 IQ)
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 No.221433

>>219983
thats because left-wingers cannot argue or discuss pepole without banning/censoring them essentially creating an safe space
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 No.221526

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>>220086
How can something be at the same time be an social construct and
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 No.221547

>>221526
1) “Up to” is doing a lot of legwork here
2) this isn’t an argument for “race” as the five groups or whatever. Do black people uniformly have this 19% or whatever? The greatest genetic diversity can be found within subsaharan African populations.
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 No.221550

>>221433
>Left wingers will not let me chimp out and spam
Infographics, therefore it’s a safe space
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 No.221556

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>>221526
noticed
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 No.221574

>>220252
no race-mixing policy's
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 No.221584

>>221430
> (ie., when 100 IQ pairs with 85 IQ, the offspring average 92 IQ)
I really don‘t think that‘s how it works. It‘s not like mixing hot and cold water and getting something in the middle.
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 No.221585

>/pol/yps still trying to conflate haplogroupings and race together
Differing genetic and geographic populations =/= Race, as race is a term with no real clinical backing to it in it's categorizations. Even in terms of bone marrow transplants it's a faulty in it's utility, as you end up with very "white" looking Greeks being unable to receive marrow transplants from "white" Brits.
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 No.221616

>>221584
>It‘s not like mixing hot and cold water and getting something in the middle.
Actually, that is the general pattern that's observed, yes. You observe the same general pattern for all highly heritable, highly polygenic traits, eg height.
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 No.221627

>>221129
>>221140
Looking at the democracy™ index and press freedom, they look like utter BS. Especially when looking at Cuckraine for example.
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 No.221633

>>221627
I think taking a look at the Pandemic Preparedness Index for 2019 should tell you all you need to know about indexes.
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 No.221638

>>221433
It's really representative for the intelligence of your people that you look at the two posts that invoked bans and you think those were "arguments"
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 No.221770

>>221764
I already did you Hakim simp
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 No.221773

>>221764
do you want a reply or an analysis or something?
it's pretty run-of-the-mill stuff
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 No.221784

>>220746
why is diversity so important for you lefties?? after looking to the pages it seems only to be an weakness that bring negatives to things like the economy
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 No.221795

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>>221784
oh here we go again
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 No.221824

>>221784
It's not "important", but it's certainly not the issue it's made out to be, and I certainly don't care if a place happens to be "diverse".
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 No.221834

>>221764
it throws me off that Hakim uses the same Silent Hill 2 BGM (Prisonic Fairytale) in these vids as Alt Hype did in his old videos lol
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 No.221904

>>221547
stop using leowint fallacy
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 No.221932

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>>221905
this really shows the ideological foundation of race. Before this shit, the line was that blacks were subhuman because they didn't have enough nonhuman admixture that europeans have. Now, since its revealed that they do have it, the line changes that they have too much admixiture.
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 No.221936

>>221905
American education everyone
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 No.221960

>>221932
well, to be fair, the "nonhuman" (that is, non-h sapiens) admixture comes from a different source in each instance. if the genes provided by admixture with h neanderthalensis had a different effect from that of the genes provided by admixture with h habilis, then…
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 No.221963

>>221904
It’s lewontin, dipshit.

Now, how’s his garden a fallacy?
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 No.221967

>>221784
What negatives to the economy? And why is it “diversity” and not just plain old capitalism?
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 No.221976

>>221574
What will we gain from this?
>>221616
Source?
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 No.222061

>>221963
the so-called "Lewontin's fallacy", as invoked by the Nazi anon, refers to Lewontin's assertion in a 1972 study that, since more variation can be found between individuals of each race than between the averages of those races compared to each other, that therefore "such racial classification is now seen to be of virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance either, [and] no justification can be offered for its continuance." in layman's terms his argument is usually rendered a la "race is a scientifically invalid term because there is more genetic variation within races than between them."

(For what it's worth Lewontin's argument here really is fallacious and his conclusion is 100% wrong. The simplest refutation here is a thought experiment: imagine if you will, a hypothetical "average African" and one hypothetical "average European." Then imagine the two Europeans who are most different from each other, and the two Africans who are most different from each other. It's easy to imagine that the intraracial pairs might have less in common than the "hypothetical average representative" pair. But it's also easy to imagine that you would still be able to categorize each of these 6 individuals as European or African without any trouble. This is because although the differences between races only account for a small proportion of total human variance, interracial differences tend to correlate very strongly – that is, Africans do tend to have dark skin, but they also tend to have eg dark curly hair, certain facial features, skeletal features etc etc etc. Witherspoon et al show that, given enough loci, you can use a person's genes to determine their race with effectively 100% accuracy. This, as well as several common sense pinch tests such as the fact that eg bone marrow donor drives make special appeals to individual racial groups, proves that, contrary to Lewontin's assertion, the race concept does have genetic as well as practical significance.)

However! The post to which the Nazi anon replied was referring to the fact that more genetic variation can be found within Africa than within all non-African populations. Which a) has nothing to do with Lewontin's fallacy, and b) is true. For what it's worth.

Lewontin's garden analogy is also related to genetic variation but is a different subject altogether from the ones discussed in this post.

>>221967
I'm pretty sure that guy got banned.
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 No.222080

>>221976
>Source?
I'm not sure what you're asking for a source for but I can try getting one if you're more specific. A source for the claim that the IQ of individuals is predicted by the mean IQ of their parents? A source for the claim that if a short person and a tall person have kids, that their kids tend to have a height between that of their parents? Skin tone is another extremely visible example of the same phenomenon.
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 No.222115

>>222061
Except that this is only true for like very distinct regions or origin, not specific races and requires selecting for a shit-ton of loci. Moreover it’s the haplotypes/haplogroups that have medical relevance, not the race itself. This isn’t quite the same as race.

As for bone marrow and other organ transplants, using that as a way to establish the reality of race is pretty useless, since it may increase the likelihood of successful transplants, it doesn’t stop them. Never mind that this is all a post-hoc thing where race is selected for as a category prior to bone transplants.
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 No.222119

>>222080
That polygenetic things do the hot and cold water become warm thing and average out.
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 No.222129

>>222119
This should be p obvious/circular if we're talking abt averages and u understand wut polygenes r. (I'm not the person ur replying to.)
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 No.222139

>>222129
Then what happens when two mixed people have children?

Also, I’d still like a source.
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 No.222192

>>222115
>Except that this is only true for like very distinct regions or origin, not specific races
No, it holds true for the "big 7" classical conception of races. With a hundred or so loci (which is a modest amount, not a "shit-ton" as you might imagine) you can predict with almost perfect accuracy which of however many pre-defined racial groups that individual identifies as. (Some people use 7, some people use 11; it's whatever. Racial distinctions are largely clinal so there is no set-in-stone answer to where the cutoffs for different racial groups are, but just because something is fuzzy around the edges doesn't mean it can't be said to exist.)

As for whether haplogroup/haplotype is a stronger predictor of medical outcomes than race I confess ignorance. But I agree wholeheartedly that race is just a post-hoc classification; after all, it's not the case that there's something like "black bone marrow" vs "white bone marrow" or "Asian bone marrow" that a doctor could sift through with a centrifuge or whatever. But despite being a post-hoc classification, it's an extremely powerful predictor, and often the most powerful predictor available. Its usefulness certainly surpasses the modest standard of "valid". Don't underestimate the power or validity of broad heuristics.
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 No.222311

>>222192
Not a fan of jumping through hoops and loops of heuristics and correlations to arrive at crude conclusions. It's like trying really hard to justify stupidity and laziness.
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 No.222347

>>222311
I'm telling you it's not crude, and it doesn't require jumping through "hoops and loops" either. "Is the donor black? Okay good that will maximize the chances of a successful transplant." "Is the patient East Asian? Okay then her optimal BMI is lower than it would otherwise be and we needn't consider her low weight to be as much of a risk factor as we would in a monoracial European patient." Wow, what a fucking Byzantine operations that was! We better abolish the race concept in medicine since it's oh-so-convoluted and unscientific.
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 No.222410

>>222192
Can you direct me to some literature?
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 No.222463

>>222192
>>222347
>Race is clinical
No, it really isn't. Racial categorizations fail to match up with actual clinical study of genetic ancestry and population groupings. Haplogroupings are a more clinical way of categorizing genetic populations, but these are not at all synonymous with the concept of "race". Race has always been largely socially and culturally informed, and it has only been in the last few decades in which people have attempted to take a concept already flawed in it's scientific accuracy and "rework" it to try and maintain the unscientific connotations of the construct while covering it in scientific garb. The only arguments that ever come up in it's defense that aren't entirely dishonest are statements on its ultility, that it is "good enough". But this "logic" is fallacious from the get go. If anything, advancements in the study of our ancestry and our genetic compositions has led to such categorization failing to be "good enough". How should one create specialized tailored medicine for a patient? By grouping them into one of less then a dozen "racial" categorizations, and assuming that such a grouping is "sufficient"? Or by taking a sample of their DNA and analyzing their makeup to determine the best course of action in regards to their composition. Defenders of the categorization of "race" add a step to this in an attempt to preserve what can only be called a misplaced sentimentality to the concpet of race, but it is a "step" unneeded and unwarranted. For what reason do racial categorizations, even from a clinical view, serve in a world of individually tailored medicine and haplogroupings?
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 No.222496

>>222463
They literally didn't say that. They said "clinal," as in gradually changing across distribution, not clinical.
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 No.222504

>>220188
the facts show the opposite, far right is the strongest in east germany, which has the least diverse population
you are actually retarded and contradicting the most obvious facts to fit into your delusions
like i said, facts don't matter here, what you need is a shove down the barbara pit
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 No.222520

>>222496
What? I'm not talking about the use of the word clinal, I was going against this idea of a clinical basis for the categorization of "race" and it's alleged "utility", which his argument implied. Nowhere was I arguing against the statement "Racial distinctions are largely clinal", that wasn't my concern at all.
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 No.222531

>>222520
You replied to a post that said

>Racial distinctions are largely clinal


and used quotation to claim that the writer said

>Race is clinical


so I assumed you misread the post you were replying to.
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 No.222547

>>222531
Sorry, I can understand how that could be misunderstood. I stated ">Race is clinical" as more as what I saw as what his argument was in full (what with the references to medical utility and predictive accuracy), not as a response to the clinal part, so more ">Implying race is clinical" then a direct quote to a specific sentence.
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 No.222608

>>222547
>>222463
>Race is clinical
As the other anon noted, is a little weird of you to put such a specific and not-very-meaningful phrase into my mouth and frame it like a quote. Nitpicking aside though, I'll answer the thrust of your post:

>For what reason do racial categorizations, even from a clinical view, serve in a world of individually tailored medicine and haplogroupings?

The answer: they serve very well in those situations where DNA analysis of the subject is not currently available to the practitioner of medicine, but in which the practitioner can deduce the patient's race by either asking them directly, or, by, you know, glancing at the patient's skin, face and hair. This accounts for the vast majority of clinical situations that take place and pretty much 100% of emergency medicine.

If you're under the impression that doctors don't let the patient's race inform their decisions, you're mistaken. They do. And it's useful. Those two propositions were the only ones I was putting forward.

Whatever standard you have in your head that leads you to determine whether abstract concepts like "race" are "clinical" is also a bit off the mark.
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 No.222627

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 No.222632

>>220202
>>222627
You don't have to be so hard on yourself because your family tree doesn't branch Cletus.
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 No.222656

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 No.222670

>>222627
kek, rightoids will use the dog analogy to shit on blacks but then proceed to simp for inbred monarchs
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 No.222705

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>>222410
Certainly. The most striking study I can think of is Alloco (2007), which uses only 3 categories for "ancestral continent of origin" (basically the same loose metric used by Linnaeus) and achieved a 97% accuracy rate using only 100 SNPs. Figures related.
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 No.222761

>>222608
>is a little weird of you to put such a specific and not-very-meaningful phrase into my mouth and frame it like a quote.
Its not a quote, its just what I saw as the argument being made.
>The answer: they serve very well in those situations where DNA analysis of the subject is not currently available to the practitioner of medicine, but in which the practitioner can deduce the patient's race by either asking them directly, or, by, you know, glancing at the patient's skin, face and hair. This accounts for the vast majority of clinical situations that take place and pretty much 100% of emergency medicine.
Anon, in emergency medicine, you aren't going to have time to source the exact medical resources that would allegedly require "racial" categorization. Things like bone marrow transplants require longer periods of donor sorting then falls under purview of emergency medicine, and have never heard of an ER doctor utilizing "race" as a way of determining what drugs to administer or what blood to provide (and I had spend time in an ER as part of my EMT training in which I had to observe ER nurses and doctors making those immediate determinations). None of what you mentioned also requires the categorization of "race", which is again a non-scientific categorization that fails in its actual colloquial context to be anything less then arbitrary in its distinctions. "Race" could have been split in any number of ways, and you would likely find "correlation" regardless. All the attempts to place it in scientific garb is nothing more then trying to take preexisting social categorizations and legitimize them by arguing the "utility" of it. But such "utility" could have been drawn by any number of divisions, or even by more sufficient methods of testing. The actual answer is that the use of "race" as a categorization is merely convenient to those who want to appeal to what is common western use rather then make any kind of consequential change or demand for accuracy.
>If you're under the impression that doctors don't let the patient's race inform their decisions, you're mistaken. They do. And it's useful. Those two propositions were the only ones I was putting forward.
Tailored medicine is a lot more specific then the general categorizations of "race". While ancestry may be used, this is again not the same as "race". Saying a person has ancestry from a certain geographic area is very different from the non-scientific and per-existing use of "race" categorization.
>Whatever standard you have in your head that leads you to determine whether abstract concepts like "race" are "clinical" is also a bit off the mark.
This is going to sound like a "cop out", but having family in molecular biology. Bringing up "race" in the past only had them be adamant in it being a less then sufficient categorization.
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 No.222791

>>222785
why is it that west African countries, where African Americans get most of their DNA, have lower crime rates than blacks in America? I'm thinking it could probably be the introduced wh*te DNA
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 No.222795

>>222787
>you're just pretending it isn't because your religion dictates that everyone is equal, when they're not.
Marxism isn't based on "equality", whether people are "equal" is of no concern. However, us not placing a focus on "equality" doesn't mean we have to accept your unscientific statements.
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 No.222806

>>222785
Yeah Alt-rightoids never tackle the low crime rates in dirt poor African countries(Recorded by the UN not the government) Benin, Guinea and Guinea-Bissau all have noerdic tier homicide rates, Even Nigeria a complete mess has a homicide rate of 9, bad but not alarmingly high.
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 No.222836

>>222761
>All the attempts to place it in scientific garb is nothing more then trying to take preexisting social categorizations and legitimize them by arguing the "utility" of it. But such "utility" could have been drawn by any number of divisions, or even by more sufficient methods of testing.
Yeah but the fact of the matter is that one's race is unique among "any number of divisions" in that it's one that the patient is actually going to KNOW. And which, again, the doctor is highly likely to be surmise at a glance.

I feel like I don't know what universe you're writing from where doctors don't even acknowledge the usefulness of the race heuristic. I'm not personally a medical professional but, idk man! Shall I call in some of my MD / PharmD friends to comment? Or maybe I can link some articles that take the usefulness of patient race for granted (in order to weigh that usefulness against the possible harms of racism)?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3167748/
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2004740#article_citing_articles

these are from a cursory Google search
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 No.222905

>>222836
>Yeah but the fact of the matter is that one's race is unique among "any number of divisions" in that it's one that the patient is actually going to KNOW. And which, again, the doctor is highly likely to be surmise at a glance.
The patient is going to "know" because of how race is socially defined, of course someone is going to "know" they are "black" if society defines "black" as someone with dark skin and possibly other physical features. Anyone, not only the doctor, could do such a categorization based on how "race" is defined socially, simply by knowing the preexisting racial views of society. But that's the point, these categorizations existed before any kind of proper scientific study into human genetic ancestry existed, and the justification for their use seems to be just a post hoc rationalization of the concept itself. For anything else, we would have just thrown it out and introduced new categorizations unrelated to the faulty methodology of categorization of the past, but for some reason we feel a need to preserve terminology which wasn't accurate to begin with, as if we need to find way to justify its continued usage and make its colloquial usage "rational".
>I feel like I don't know what universe you're writing from where doctors don't even acknowledge the usefulness of the race heuristic. I'm not personally a medical professional but, idk man! Shall I call in some of my MD / PharmD friends to comment? Or maybe I can link some articles that take the usefulness of patient race for granted (in order to weigh that usefulness against the possible harms of racism)?
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3167748/
>https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2004740#article_citing_articles
The first study shows a division in doctors who find legitimacy in its usage, and those who do not, as well as assumptions of the patients views on medicine based on there race. The second states multiple times the danger of using race as a metric, as it can on many occasions deny care to those who may need it. For example, the assumption that a black patient is less likely to be at risk of heart attack, thus adding points to non-black patients which diverts treatment to them over black patients who may very well be having complications. Such a scenario would not occur with specifically tailored medicine. There's a reason most areas of genetic study have abandoned the use of "race" for ancestry, as "race" is socially informed and unreliable, a non-existent construct we had previously created before any actual study into our genetic composition, while ancestry is something which can be traced and geographically isolated, something that holds true regardless of colloquial terminology https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3124377/
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 No.223321

>>222347
You know damn well that this is just meant as a jumping point to justify all kinds of preeminent judgement and treatment of others in other situations as well.
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 No.225039

>>222905
You keep coming back to the fact (which I don't dispute) that race is an outdated social construct and that there are more informative ways of thinking of people's ancestry now. That's fine. I don't disagree. Good on you for knowing that.

I only engaged in this boondoggle with you because of your extremely specific claim that "Race isn't clinical." If you want to say that the overwhelming majority of medical professionals who, eg, ask for a patient's race and employ it as a heuristic are practicing badwrongmedicine and should cut it out, then that's your opinion, but it's widely practiced.

For fucks sake the original point I was making was about Lewontin's fallacy
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 No.225647

>>222656
The irony of the picture is that dog gene pool is more uniform than say cat's, despite the larger phenotype variety. Because phenotype variety is not the same as gene variety.
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 No.225667

>>220081
>>221764
Most of the misconceptions that Hakim endorses in these videos are understandable because they concern nuanced topics and the misinterpretations he subscribes to are fairly widespread and difficult to root out.

However, the IQ denialism running rampant through this series makes it borderline unwatchable. The fact that the comrade who produced it is by his own admission a "physician by profession" makes this illiteracy on the subject practically inexcusable.
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 No.225684

>>225667
I am highly sceptical of IQ, the average recorded IQ of Khoisan is 65 which is badly mentally retarded, people with 65 IQ can't even put food in their mouth. Yet the Khoisan have survived for a 100,000 years in one of the most hostile environments on earth.
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 No.225691

>>225667
theres a long ass article by a physicist showing that most of the IQ studies are conglomerate studies (combining smaller studies using statistical handwaving) which makes most of the research dubious. Also how IQ is typically used online to represent a persons actual intelligence was never its intended purpose, but anyone who studies IQ seriously will point that out, iirc the correlation between being a chess grandmaster and IQ is like .2

I'd also be very curious about what the impact of a child's zip code is on their education and income level as as an adult, I imagine it would be striking in burgerstan.
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 No.225699

>>225684
>the IQ denialism
As long as we don't have physiological explanations for intelligence that could corroborate IQ scores, it just lacks scientific rigor. We have to be true to scientific principles, even if we get flattering results in IQ tests ourself.
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 No.225716

>>225699
>As long as we don't have physiological explanations
Predictive validity is all that matters and you are moving the goalpost.
>IQ scores, it just lacks scientific rigor
As opposed to 'bro what even IS intelligence!?'
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 No.225722

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 No.225735

>>225722
>Taleb
Good god…
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 No.225741

>>225722
Almost everything said in that article is a false. Taleb is a fucking liar.
>>225735
Don't get me started.
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 No.225744

>>225735
Anon what predictive validity, like your 10-20% correlation with income level is fucking worthless and just as easily determined by looking at the zip code they grew up in. Actually back up your points.
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 No.225747

>>225741
Why are the IQ so tough to nail down at actually explaining what use IQ has 1) to an individual (if any) 2) as a population statistic.

These are basic questions.
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 No.225748

>>225747
* IQ is super serious camp so tough to nail down…
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 No.225752

>>225722
I'm one of the anons that is arguing against IQ-ism in this thread , but the link you posted takes wealth as hard measure on intelligence. That's even less scientific than IQ scoring. You can't defeat Bullshit with even greater Bullshit.
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 No.225753

>>225744
The beauty of IQ lies in the it's general predictive validity. You can find specific instances in which IQ loses to other factors, but it is the best general predictor for life outcomes that exists. Furthermore the correlation between wealth and IQ increases with sample size.
>>225747
The better question is: why is there such a strong correlation between the sonic fandom and autism?
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 No.225758

>>225747
Again as hard to nail down as jello, amazing how you say nothing every time you post, are you low iq anon?

>>225752
iirc this is one of the main 'iq is super serious' reasons out there that it has high correlation (relatively) with educaitonal attainment and income level (hell slatestarcodex cites these as well) he merely is punching holes in that by showing its mostly noise and a 10-20% correlation when you drop the bottom is still trash
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 No.225759

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 No.225761

>>225722
Taleb's article is a barrel of memes and cope and should be attached to dictionary entries for the word "gishgallop"
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 No.225763

File: 1620282173660.png (162.01 KB, 714x726, IQcorrs.PNG)

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 No.225768

>>225763
Physical attractiveness -.04

Kek
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 No.225772

>>225768
That one is probably false.
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 No.225778

>>225772
Talk about stereotypes, right?
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 No.225783

>>225778
Stereotypes exist for a reason.
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 No.225784

>>225761
Seems to me like it made the entire social science Twitter seethe hard for at least 2 months lmao

Also here's this study that argues it's bad statistics:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3075072/

>>225763
r^2 values are only above .2 when matching for something as nebulous as 'job performance' or educational attainment (which is a string of iq tests already). Taleb whether you want to meme or not pretty much dismantles this.

>>225772
NOT THAT IQ!!!!!
typical, even if .04 is worthless
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 No.225788

>>225784
>Taleb whether you want to meme or not pretty much dismantles this.
He is a pseud who doesn't really understand or intentionally misinterprets how statistics works. Considerin that he is a positivist to the point of being mental, it can be both.
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 No.225789

>>225784
>NOT THAT IQ!!!!!
You know what a joke is, right?

Then again >>225753
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 No.225791

>>225772
Why don't you run some more labs on it dork!!!!!!!
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 No.225794

>>225784
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3075072/
>in children
dropped
>for something as nebulous as 'job performance' or educational attainment
That's not nebulous. Educational attainment has a fucking boolean classification.
>Taleb whether you want to meme or not pretty much dismantles this.
The guy is a complete liar and his article is complete bullshit from top to bottom.
>NOT THAT IQ
There are good reasons to assume the relationship between intelligence and attractiveness to be positive.
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 No.225806

>>225794
anon I said job performance is nebulous, and said educational attainment is a string of iq tests (and therefore circular with iq testing).

> There are good reasons to assume the relationship between intelligence and attractiveness to be positive.

kek

I'm honestly done it has (very) minor use as a population statistic at the expense of engendering some of the most insufferable autists and racists online. totally worth it.
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 No.225809

>>225806
Also every IQ autism reminds me of this passage by aragorn! as statistics being fundamentally anti-life - and I'm inclined to agree.

> The counterpoint to everything being filled with life is that there are no dead things. Nothing is an object. Anything worth directly experiencing is worth acknowledging and appreciating for its complexity, its dynamism and its intrinsic worth. When one passes from what we call life, they do not become object, they enrich the lives they touched and the earth they lie in. If everything is alive, then sociology, politics, and statistics all have to be destroyed if for no other reason but because they are anti-life disciplines.
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 No.225813

>>225809
>statistics being fundamentally anti-life
The most pseud thing i heard lately.

> The counterpoint to everything being filled with life is that there are no dead things. Nothing is an object. Anything worth directly experiencing is worth acknowledging and appreciating for its complexity, its dynamism and its intrinsic worth. When one passes from what we call life, they do not become object, they enrich the lives they touched and the earth they lie in. If everything is alive, then sociology, politics, and statistics all have to be destroyed if for no other reason but because they are anti-life disciplines.

Why not also biology and physics? They do same shit.
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 No.225817

>>225806
>>225809
You are delusional and immune to any kind of persuasion or counter-evidence.
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 No.225820

>>225813
<statistics being fundamentally anti-life
>The most pseud thing i heard lately.
Half the internet argues about whether brown people are subhuman over this shit lol.

> Why not also biology and physics? They do same shit.

It's arguing against the flattening of inherent animism/spirit/life involved in creating systems of control.

>>225817
you posted one graph showing low to moderate correlation with educational attainment and something as worthless as your supervisor giving you a good mark. Sorry I remain skeptical.
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 No.225827

>>225820
>Half the internet argues about whether brown people are subhuman over this shit lol.
Oh no, someone is misusing statistics to say bad things. We must abolish it completely. Also we need to abolish biology since social darwinism exists too.

>It's arguing against the flattening of inherent animism/spirit/life involved in creating systems of control.

I am blaming weed legalization for this…
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 No.225828

>>225827
You're such a disingenuous piece of shit its unreal. Take your mediocre indicator of nothing and shove it up your ass.

> I am blaming weed legalization for this…

Just admit you can't read.
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 No.225830

>>225820
>Half the internet argues about whether brown people are subhuman over this shit lol.
Cite me one example for this retarded claim.
>you posted one graph showing low to moderate correlation with educational attainment and something as worthless as your supervisor giving you a good mark.
False and blatantly bad faith. It's obvious you don't care about evidence or truth, faggot.
>Sorry I remain skeptical.
You literally parrot Taleb.
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 No.225837

>>225830
>Cite me one example for this retarded claim.
Scroll up. The african is mentally challenged is apart of the canon of IQ research.

> False and blatantly bad faith. It's obvious you don't care about evidence or truth, faggot.

It's obvious you care more about dehumanization by keeping a statistic that props up class warfare.
> Muh job attainment
anon this is literally a Marxist board
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 No.225846

>>225837
>anon this is literally a Marxist board
Exactly, so get your idealistic positivist ass out of here.
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 No.225853

>>225837
>The african is mentally challenged is apart of the canon of IQ research.
Lynn underestimated the IQ of Africans in order to strengthen the case FOR environmentalist. Wealth (and environmentalism) becomes more important as the difference between Africans in poor nations and Africans in rich nations widens.
>It's obvious you care more about dehumanization
Proof?
>anon this is literally a Marxist board
Just a second ago you talked about spirits and metaphysical philosophy. GTFO.
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 No.225858

Here is a 200 IQ take on IQ

The only way IQ could be considered relevant is if aids at achieving class consciousness, yet class consciousness has been achieved by individuals of all different IQs.

Therefore IQ is irrelevant to the communist cause

>B-but under capitalism nogs are hekin viole-

Then stop living under capitalism
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 No.225861

>>225846
> positivist
I'm not the one arguing for the quantification of a person's supposed worth
>>225853
> Lynn underestimated the IQ of Africans
The fact that you can't even admit that IQ is used as a dehumanization platform in academia and online speaks to how shitty of a person you are.

I'm hiding both of you because you are either 1) actually racist or 2) so deceitful that learning anything from either of you is an impossibility.

Fuck off let's never speak again.
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 No.225869

>>225858
>every science that does not relate to class consciousness is de'facto irrelevant.
Ok.
>>225861
>The fact that you can't even admit that IQ is used as a dehumanization platform in academia
Cite one example. Academia is full of liberal propaganda and IQ isn't part of their agenda.
>I'm hiding both of you because you are either 1) actually racist or 2) so deceitful that learning anything from either of you is an impossibility.
When you have no fucking argument, can't cite anything and are clearly out of your depth just call them "racist acting in bad faith". You are pathetic.
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 No.225870

>>225861
>I'm not the one arguing for the quantification of a person's supposed worth
You don't even understand the meaning of that word, aren't you?
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 No.225899

>>225869
>science
<IQ
>scienece
<IQ
>science
<IQ
lol kill yourself and your entire extended family you fucking faggot.
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 No.225904

>>225869
>Ok.
Pretty much, glad you understand my friend, if you have any more questions I can gladly answer them
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 No.225993

>>225853
>Lynn underestimated the IQ of Africans in order to strengthen the case FOR environmentalist.
LOL. Just fuck off man. You are either purposefully deceitful or just a naive moron. Lynn is a white supremacist.
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 No.226010

>>225993
You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Lynn is a predominant environmentalist and has been for decades. IQ in Africa has to be low, otherwise the environmental differences between Africa and America are meaningless.
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 No.226013

>>226010
I never disputed the fact that IQ scores might be lower in Africa. Lynn IS a white supremacist and the claim that he underestimated IQ scores for Africans for the purpose of strengthening the case for environmental factors is laughable. Did the thought ever cross your mind while telling this lie that a scientist fabricating false figures reflects negatively on the scientist to begin with? I repeat, the dude is a known white supremacist.
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 No.226027

>>225667
IQ is a meme.
Here, have someone else, who debunked it:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo&feature=youtu.be
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 No.226063

>>226010
If Africas Phenotypic IQ was low then It's genetic IQ would also be lower right? Lynn was literally testing mentally retarded children, it's clear he had a lot of bias.
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 No.226065

>>226027
>Shaun
Kek,find someone who is more better
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 No.226076

>>226065
>Kek,find someone who is more better
Cope and an adhom.
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 No.226085

Why "debunk" race science?
Realistically, very few of you are actually interested in biology. And that's fine. You're probably more interested in the humanities, reading socialist intellectuals, etc.

But then all of a sudden there is one particular thing you need to "debunk". And it's hilarious to watch because you typically don't have the required background to understand, let alone "debunk", what is going on.

You would not "debunk" a theory about how black holes are formed. You would not "debunk" research regarding programming language theory. You would not "debunk" theories regarding what is the optimal mix to feed grazing cows.

But this particular thing, you have to "debunk". It's only because you don't like the conclusions, it's not a legitimate intellectual process.
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 No.226090

>Hi, this is me, your comrade SuperCommieWarrior
>Let me tell you: IQ and race is bullshit.
>As a proof, I'm going to post a bunch of debunking studies from the CATO Institute, from professors at the Chicago School of Economics, from the Pinochet Institute for Economic Research, from the Goldman Sachs Center for Advanced Studies, etc.
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 No.226096

>>226063
>If Africas Phenotypic IQ was low then It's genetic IQ would also be lower right?
Yes, but not when we compare them to their american counterparts. If the IQ of blacks is 75 and 85 in africa and america respectively then the environment doesn't account for much variance. Whereas an IQ of 60 vs 85 indicates that genes aren't that important.
Think about it buddy.
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 No.226098

>>226085
>Why "debunk" race science? Realistically, very few of you are actually interested in biology. And that's fine. You're probably more interested in the humanities, reading socialist intellectuals, etc.

Correct, but it is necessary to do that, so that we can argue with people effectively.

>But then all of a sudden there is one particular thing you need to "debunk". And it's hilarious to watch because you typically don't have the required background to understand, let alone "debunk", what is going on.


What absolute rubbish! this is not some complicated science I just looked at the data. And doesn't this apply to all the things I just debunked, most of these claims are not made by specialists of any kind but by Far-right writers.

>You would not "debunk" a theory about how black holes are formed. You would ot "debunk" research regarding programming language theory. You would not "debunk" theories regarding what is the optimal mix to feed grazing cows.But this particular thing, you have to "debunk". It's only because you don't like the conclusions, it's not a legitimate intellectual process.


What? this is even more silly, I did not tackle IQ as that has actual experts doing work(Though some have been discredited), But if you want to go that way, experts don't agree whether race is real and most experts do not believe the IQ gap is biological.

>>226090
Again applying your standards would simply discredit all the racialist researchers.
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 No.226102

>>226098
>But if you want to go that way, experts don't agree whether race is real and most experts do not believe the IQ gap is biological.
Disregarding the appeal to popularity the opinions are split 50/50.
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 No.226105

>>226096
>Yes, but not when we compare them to their american counterparts. If the IQ of blacks is 75 and 85 in africa and america respectively then the environment doesn't account for much variance. Whereas an IQ of 60 vs 85 indicates that genes aren't that important.
Think about it buddy.


But don't we know to some extent the effects of environment. Nigeria has an IQ of 84 right? equal to African-americans however malnutrition is extremely common and there's hundreds of other factors including hereditarian epigenetic ones, so Nigeria's genotypic IQ is obviously high.
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 No.226111

>>226102
>Disregarding the appeal to popularity the opinions are split 50/50.

On the validity of race maybe, but on the IQ gap I doubt It. Either way, I knew IQ required actual expertise so I did not attempt to debunk that.

But blacks being genetically criminal and Diversity reducing trust, are literally derived from amateurish Far-right authors. I used study and data to debunk them, and if you think I'm wrong then Prove it.
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 No.226115

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>>226085
Yet again a /pol/ack not understanding what he's talking about. Let's spell out the fallacies

>You would not "debunk" a theory about how black holes are formed

You do realize it's standard practice in the hard sciences to formulate an antithesis to a thesis as well, right? You don't just take people's word for it when they have formulated and tested an idea. The opposite needs to happen as well to challenge the thesis and move forward with a more accurate synthesis.

>You would not "debunk" a theory about how black holes are formed. You would not "debunk" research regarding programming language theory. You would not "debunk" theories regarding what is the optimal mix to feed grazing cows.

The fallacy here is that you are equivocating racist pseudoscience with actual science. What people like you spew out is ideologically motivated garbage and it has been since the 17th and 18th century. In fact, race science has been debunked in the 20th century already, but you people repackage the same shit under a new name again and again and hope that more normies fall for it this time.
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 No.226125

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The real reason /pol/ is resistant to marxism is that they'll have to get a job if you take away their papa's car dealership.
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 No.226127

>>226115
You do realize it's standard practice in the hard sciences to formulate an antithesis to a thesis as well, right?

Not really. That's more a humanities thing, actually. So I think you are simply projecting your own academic background to hard sciences. Hegelian dialectic is not how physics is done.

There is no antithesis to the statement that gold is produced by collisions of neutron stars. Well, you can say, gold is NOT produced by collisions of neutron stars, but that's not terribly useful.

(And when talking about things you can estimate, you can talk about rejecting the null hypothesis, or failing to reject it, but that's about it.)

I think you illustrate my point. You're not making a valid criticism of race realism. You are using words like:
>pseudoscience
>spew
>ideologically motivated garbage
>debunked

You are doing rhetoric, not science.
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 No.226129

>>226115
>The fallacy here is that you are equivocating racist pseudoscience with actual science. What people like you spew out is ideologically motivated garbage and it has been since the 17th and 18th century. In fact, race science has been debunked in the 20th century already, but you people repackage the same shit under a new name again and again and hope that more normies fall for it this time.

The fallacy here is that you are equivocating Marxist pseudoscience with actual science. What people like you spew out is ideologically motivated garbage and it has been since the 17th and 18th century. In fact, socialism has been debunked in the 20th century already, but you people repackage the same shit under a new name again and again and hope that more normies fall for it this time.
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 No.226135

>>226127
Yes, the Blacks are more genetically criminal is complete pseudoscience and the Inherent Diversity reduces trust was tested by science and found to be false.Race and IQ is is probably the only slightly legitimate debate.
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 No.226138

>>226129
Well, in the abscence of socialism Mister, what do you propose we do as capitalism breaks down?
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 No.226144

>>226135
>the Blacks are more genetically criminal is complete pseudoscience

Pretty much every study on time preference shows it differs by race, with blacks typically having a stronger one.
That explains many things about black people, including obesity rates and indeed crime rates.

And we also have evolutionary explanations as to why Europeans and Asians might have evolved with lower time preferences (it's pretty much required for survival in the harsher northern climates, where you have to plan for winter).

You can't just simply put a "pseudoscience" label on it and discard it simply because it's inconvenient. You are obviously welcome to discuss critically any of those results, of course.
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 No.226153

>>226144
Maybe, but the 3rd part crime data on African countries is what I'm intrested in, and that shows that black people in a society at the very least commit much less crime than African Americans.
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 No.226155

>>226153
3rd Party
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 No.226156

>>226127
>You're not making a valid criticism of race realism.
Just re-read the entire thread then. I don't know how often some /pol/ack posted a neatly designed infograph on black crime statistics with "Source: FBI" at the bottom, just for me to look it up and find out the errors of the claims made. You keep talking like the facts are on you side, when they are not. I'm not even denying the biological variance of human beings, just that actual science does not produce your worldview. Your categorizations stem from centuries old blatant pseudoscience, that is simply a fact and not a buzzword, and you try to shoe horn people into these outdated categories and justify it post-hoc. You asked "why do we need to debunk this": Because average people don't have the know-how to understand the fallacies in the claims made by politically motivated propagandists like you. You are playing dumb on purpose to re-frame reality. Over and over again the same far right and false talking points are to be read and heard somewhere and this dehumanizing and hostile cancer must be asphyxiated. The clear goal of this propaganda is to expel, oppress or get innocent people killed. If I looked up the data and know the claims are false, I'm obviously going to help combat these falsehoods.
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 No.226159

>>226144
>You are obviously welcome to discuss critically any of those results, of course.
People already addressed the fallacy in your claim, you are just pretending to be retarded to extend the discussion to another repeat.
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 No.226166

>>226156

The reason we are winning is because we put a simple, obvious explanation on something people are already observing and already know to be true.

The best you can probably do is convince them to self-censor.
An interesting phenomenon is the supposedly racist and sexist AI. How is it possible that the progressive Silicon Valley beta boys end up developing racist algorithms? And how can we explain the paradox that, the more they try to remove every single source of bias… the more "racist" the AI becomes?

The obvious answer is that all those biases are actually in their head, and going full speed in the other direction, i.e. when they see a group of 4 ghetto gentlemen walking toward them at night, they will instinctively cross the street to avoid them (they're not suicidal), but they'll invent some sort of justification that the aforementioned gentlemen are acting the way they are because of discrimination, poverty, white supremacy, bla bla bla
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 No.226172

>>226076
>Cope and an adhom.
You are the who are coping
There is other IQ-critics that made by decent people but you post "Sh*un" as a debunk
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 No.226174

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>>226166
>Silicon Valley
>progressive
The amount of brainworms someone must have…
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 No.226175

And another proof that we are winning is that our opponents are implicitly conceding our points when they:

>advocate for removing algebra from curricula (why, if we are of equal intelligence?)

>advocate for de-funding police instead of asking blacks to behave civilized
>invent stupid excuses about putting their kids in "good schools" instead of stating what is obvious to everyone (this one is the most interesting, I take an absolute perverse pleasure in grilling people and getting them to explain _exactly_ what they mean by "good school")
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 No.226177

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>>226172
>Keeps up the adhom
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 No.226181

>>226166
>The reason we are winning is because we put a simple, obvious explanation on something people are already observing and already know to be true.

Firstly, simple explanations are not necessarily true, and secondly in the USA we(Marxists) are winning people over by larger amounts than you, does that make us right?

>How is it possible that the progressive Silicon Valley beta boys end up developing racist algorithms? And how can we explain the paradox that, the more they try to remove every single source of bias… the more "racist" the AI becomes?


Secondly silicon valley workers are mostly liberals and libertarian techbros who sometimes tend towards Rightism(i.e the neoreactionaries) please show me one Leftist among them.
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 No.226196

>>226166
Lol. You are not winning.

>AI

Reminds me of how /pol/ spammed Microsoft's Twitter bot with /pol/ shitposts and they believed the AI "learned the truth", not understanding it just memorizes and repeats what it has been given. Current AI does not understand context and can not reason. It just predicts an outcome based on past data, but that's rudimentary. I would have to look into the stories of what actually happened to assess why said claims happened, but I can already imagine where the problem was. If black people have a higher murder rate and now in court you have to judge whether or not an individual black person is guilty, should you have a higher tendency of declaring this person guilty because they are associated with a demographic that has higher rates of murder? No, because him being black doesn't tell you anything about this individual case. It's the same reason why black people receive harsher sentences for the same crime a white person commits, or black people being 12 times more likely to be falsely convicted of drug offences, when white and black people consume and sell drugs at the same rate. It's logical to suppress these biases and they would have to be coded in AI as well.
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 No.226204

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>>226175
>advocate for removing algebra from curricula (why, if we are of equal intelligence?)
Never heard of that. Source please.
>advocate for de-funding police instead of asking blacks to behave civilized
The police are literally murdering unarmed innocent people on a daily basis. Not even addressing their overly excessive violence against people, they don't end up murdering. If anybody is "uncivilised," it's the cops.
>invent stupid excuses about putting their kids in "good schools" instead of stating what is obvious to everyone (this one is the most interesting, I take an absolute perverse pleasure in grilling people and getting them to explain _exactly_ what they mean by "good school")
Useless anecdote
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 No.226209

>>219664
>muh white supremacist IQ maps which show East Asians and Jews as having higher IQ scores

>Now it is true that in the USA race is a stronger predictor of criminality than poverty.

>However single motherhood is another factor which is stronger than race.
The rates of which are very different by race kek. And now single motherhoods are being affirmed and supported in mainstream culture. What a joke.
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 No.226210

The real question is, why should the DPRK not rule the world when, the IQ is the highest in the world.
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 No.226219

>>226204
>The police are literally murdering unarmed innocent people on a daily basis
Source?
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 No.226220

\>>226196
>It's logical to suppress these biases and they would have to be coded in AI as well.

That's wyat you think predictive algorithms do. But they're obviously not as retarded as that.

Let's say I have 10,000 files giving me attributes of random offenders, and whether or not they did re-offend. I want to build a predictive model based on that.

I can't use explicit racial data for obvious reason. Me, being a sneaky /pol/ack, try to use the width of the nose, but someone is smart enough to figure out that it's an indirect racial attribute.

Damn, what do I do? I pick any other metric: time of offense (i.e. evening, morning, etc.), duration of offense, whatever. Something that's obviously not a racial attribute. Yet, the results are racist. That's why "racist AI" is such a big problem that they have entire conferences, etc. to solve the issue. If it was as simple as removing explicit racial attributes, all those corporations posting BLM shit on their social media pages would have done that long ago.

In fact, it's telling that more often than not, they simply scrap the program. There was a case where Amazon simply decided to cancel their program to predict performance based on resumes, because it was still favoring men even when removing all sexual characteristics. That's also why Google pictures simply stop recognizing ANYTHING as a gorilla, instead of fixing whatever image recognition algorithm they used. They literally applied the patch: "if anything is detected as a gorilla, FUCK THAT, we will pretend we can't recognize the object".
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 No.226223

>>226209
>muh white supremacist IQ maps which show East Asians and Jews as having higher IQ scores

Firstly, this map is made from outright fabricated data i.e the infamous testing mentally retarded kids and calculating IQ by averaging out neighbouring nations IQ.

>The rates of which are very different by race kek. And now single motherhoods are being affirmed and supported in mainstream culture. What a joke.


Yes and that is why the race rates are so different.
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 No.226226

>>226174
FYI when a burger says 'Progressive' They only mean in a very narrow social sense. Specifically it means Woman, Gays, Blacks rights to participate in the civil processes allowed to everyone else. i.e. being alowed to vote, work, marry, live a [insert burger brainworms here life.
They cannot help them so do not blame them, **but still mock them.*they are like this because the left was abolished in there country and they are taught unwavering support to state and capital and anti-intellectual ideas from a very young age.
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 No.226228

>>226177
İt's not the adhom because the person who made this video is related to video itself
Shaun's videos are too biased that he even ignores many stuff,creates stuff himself and shapes the things for his views.He also doesn't research things very good,many of them have many misinfo
Alternative-Hyphotesis*(far-right that more intellectual,also autist-gay) have 4* video where he debunks that video(imagine debunking by fash)."Unlearning Economics" also have debunk on his privatization video.Kraut also have hard-debunk on his "refugee-crime" video that where he blatantly lies and ignores many of informations for his views.There is other debunks too
Shaun is joke
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 No.226234

>>226228
Have you heard anyone who has tried to debunk his Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht video?
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 No.226235

>>226223
It's true that they injected that data for Central Africa into the study but the data for OECD countires are based on mathematics and science test scores.

>Yes and that is why the race rates are so different.

Yes because of racial tendencies and/or culture. That's why BLM wants to end the nuclear family. They know that it doesn't work with blacks even when most of them are Christian.
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 No.226238

>>226166
>An interesting phenomenon is the supposedly racist and sexist AI. How is it possible that the progressive Silicon Valley beta boys end up developing racist algorithms? And how can we explain the paradox that, the more they try to remove every single source of bias… the more "racist" the AI becomes?
I don't think you understand how AI works. If it's nothing more then an internet speech bot framed as an "AI", then it simply takes whatever information provided, no mater how flawed, and utilizes it to construct coherent sounding sentences. If instead you are talking about actual "predictive" AI, then the conclusions drawn by whatever algorithms are in use do not themselves analyze the context of the data used to make those conclusions. For example, if an AI was fed information that showed that X population has a greater chance of heart attack, it wouldn't question the reasoning for why that was the case (diet, geography, genetics, etc.). It would simply just reiterate whatever correlation it found, without at all understanding the cause. It's up to people, as only people are capable of reasoning, to look at the data to understand the cause.
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 No.226241

>>226209
>The rates of which are very different by race kek.
Can't keep correlation and causation apart again?Why are you people not smart enough to tell apart the fallacy?
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 No.226248

>>226235
>It's true that they injected that data for Central Africa into the study but the data for OECD countires are based on mathematics and science test scores.

True, but I wouldn't touch any of the African countries IQ Lynn puts Nigeria at 70IQ while all the sites I google put it at 85IQ

>Yes because of racial tendencies and/or culture. That's why BLM wants to end the nuclear family. They know that it doesn't work with blacks even when most of them are Christian.


If it was racial tendencies, then how could it explain the low homicide rates(Recorded by 3rd parties) of dirt poor African cunts like Malawi and Mozambique. Also, the extended family was part of all races societal tructure.
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 No.226251

>>226238
Yup, seconding this. Basically what I said earlier.
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 No.226252

>>226241
What would cause the different rates? It's not poverty.
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 No.226253

>>226235
>That's why BLM wants to end the nuclear family.
Lol..
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 No.226254

>>226248
Because they don't record or detect crime the same way as advanced nations. European nations have only recently updated their rape definitions and reporting methods.

>>226253
Yes, BLM the organisation that started the movement on social media.
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 No.226257

>>226238
>For example, if an AI was fed information that showed that X population has a greater chance of heart attack, it wouldn't question the reasoning for why that was the case (diet, geography, genetics, etc.)

That's not the problem.

The issue is that AI is "racist" when you *remove* all identification like that, and when you add more and more unbiased information, making the predictions more accurate.
That's why they're all fucking scratching their heads (while racists like us are simply saying: "d'oh! It's telling you what you don't want to see").

In fact it goes in the opposite direction they want it to go. The more they remove "biased" stuff, the more racist (or sexist) it becomes.

There is a similar phenomenon called the Scandinavian gender paradox. And I'm pretty sure it's the exact same explanation for the "racist AI phenomenon": when you cancel out all social factors, the biological factors stand out.
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 No.226258

>>226235
>Yes because of racial tendencies and/or culture. That's why BLM wants to end the nuclear family. They know that it doesn't work with blacks even when most of them are Christian.
>BLM wants to end the nuclear family
Where has this ever been reiterated? I don't even care much for the nuclear family, if anything its a relatively modern and wholly alienating form of family that stands in contrast to the extended families that most societies utilized and utilize, but I can't for the life of me remember the nuclear family being a major part of the overall movements rhetoric.
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 No.226265

>>226252
Ghetto culture comes from a demographic having lived for a long time in the ghetto. Poor people in the US have a hard time rising in the socioeconomic status, hence why black poverty has been sustained beyond Jim Crow and redlining. White low income families are three times more likely to be headed by a single parent than middle and high income white families. This all boils down to class.
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 No.226266

>>226265
>Poor people in the US have a hard time rising in the socioeconomic status
Relative to what?
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 No.226267

>>226254
>end the nuclear family.
And when exactly did BLM advocate for that?
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 No.226272

>>226254
We're talking about homicide rates, unlike rape it's not very difficult to tell wether a person is dead or not and these statistics are from a variety of international organizations including the UN.
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 No.226273

>>226267
On their website
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 No.226274

>>226273
Why are you playing pickaboo you cunt? Just say what it is.
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 No.226276

>>226272
Do you really think their crime reporting is even somewhat accurate? How many people are born there without a birth certificate? These countries are extremely corrupt.
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 No.226280

>>226257
What example are you talking about though? Be specific
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 No.226281

>>226276
>Firstly that's why I picked homicides, you can't just ignore a dead body and you don't have to solve a case.
>Secondly the information is collected by the UN and places which are absolutely brokedown and in a state of conflict like the CAR and the DRC have very high recorded murder rates.
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 No.226282

>>226274
Wanting a village/extended family structure. They don't want two parents to have their own children and be responsible for them.
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 No.226286

>>226281
>you can't ignore a dead body and you don't have to solve a case
I'm not sure dead bodies are enough. People go missing there all the time.
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 No.226293

>>226286
>But by how much does that impede collection, like I said the CAR and DRC has all these problems yet they managed to record a high enough rate(Due to conflict instability). Malawi and the others with low homicides are stable.
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 No.226294

>>226281
Also explain the disparity of immigrant crime rates in Scandinavia. It's not poverty.
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 No.226298

>>226257
>The issue is that AI is "racist" when you *remove* all identification like that, and when you add more and more unbiased information, making the predictions more accurate. That's why they're all fucking scratching their heads (while racists like us are simply saying: "d'oh! It's telling you what you don't want to see").
Anon, my argument and explanation was literally predicated on the information being simply that, information. The predictions an AI makes doesn't involve it providing context to the data it is being provided, all it does is take in a set number of inputs and provide a set output. If for example it is looking at criminal convictions, it isn't looking at why more convictions occur, it simply sees that more convictions have occured and outputs that. It isn't a reasoning machine, it doesn't know the "why" to such data.
>In fact it goes in the opposite direction they want it to go. The more they remove "biased" stuff, the more racist (or sexist) it becomes.
No, I think you are placing this valuation on it. The AI just works off the data, the conclusions you draw from the data and how you analyze the data that was provided to begin with is what would determine such things.
>There is a similar phenomenon called the Scandinavian gender paradox. And I'm pretty sure it's the exact same explanation for the "racist AI phenomenon": when you cancel out all social factors, the biological factors stand out.
I'm already long aware of the "gender paradox", and the context of that is completely different from what we are discussing. That has to do with job selection, the context of which is league apart from what we are discussing, with neither canceling out social factors in any way. Again, an AI taking in data doesn't make it "cancel out" the social factors that would influence that data. It can't retroactively adapt how that data was arrived at or what led to that data, it can only go off of the data itself, social factors and all.
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 No.226300

>>226294
Quite simple, I can demonstrate It's not genetics by comparing Arabs(High crime) to Assyrians (low crime) both are genetically almost the same. So it can't be genetics, I don't know what but maybe religion and other factors I suppose.
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 No.226301

>>226266
The US simply has shit poor social mobility hence why poverty is such a big problem in the US compared to other Western countries. The US has poor social mobility compared to dozens of Western countries and social mobility even increased with every successive generation to date. The pull yourselves up by your bootstraps phrase is just there to widen the gap between the rich and the poor. Black people as a centuries long disadvantaged and exploited demographic felt it the strongest.
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 No.226303

>>226280

A good example is the Amazon AI used to predict job performance

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-jobs-automation-insight-idUSKCN1MK08G

>It penalized resumes that included the word “women’s,” as in “women’s chess club captain.” And it downgraded graduates of two all-women’s colleges, according to people familiar with the matter.


The thing that is not explained in the article is that it's not the programmer bros who implemented that logic, it is something the AI figured out. When asked to optimize on performance, it searches blindly across ALL signals and keywords it can find in the resume, from hobbies to the companies you interned at, etc.

And what does it find? The strongest indicator of under-performance is biological (female vs male). The AI has no concept of a what "women" (or "chess") is. It just sees signals that are more or less strongly linked to performance, in the training sample.

That's why they cancelled it instead of fixing it, because you can't actually fix that problem.
Even if you blacklist the words "women/woman", "female", "girls", etc. (i.e. you force the AI to ignore them), it will find the next strongest signal, which will still be associated with women.

If you reduce the signals to two:

- the number of letters in your surname
- your favorite TV show

What do you think it will pick as the strongest signal? The favorite TV show. Which is still different on a sexual basis, and which still discriminates against women.
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 No.226304

>>226282
I don't see that anywhere on their site.
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 No.226307

>>226304
They had to remove it due to backlash
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 No.226308

>>226223
>Firstly, this map is made from outright fabricated data
Lynn's data replicates just fine.
>>226265
>Ghetto culture comes from a demographic having lived for a long time in the ghetto
New York didn't have a ghetto culture until blacks arrived. The elephant in the room is black dysfunctionality.
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 No.226309

>>226303
> Amazon’s computer models were trained to vet applicants by observing patterns in resumes submitted to the company over a 10-year period. Most came from men, a reflection of male dominance across the tech industry.
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 No.226310

>>226300
>both are genetically almost the same

You need to take into account that it's not always the same social classes that migrate from different groups. So even though those groups might be identical genetically, it's not necessarily the same socioeconomic groups migrating.
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 No.226311

>>226309
>Most came from men, a reflection of male dominance across the tech industry.
All that means is that their sample is disproportionately male - nothing more and nothing less.
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 No.226312

>>226310
It seems they came from the common class and as refugees
>Assyrians/Syriacs first came to Sweden from Syria for work in the late 1960s when Europe needed laborers for its industries. However, with increased ethnic and religious persecution in their homeland, which is located in present-day southeastern Turkey, northern Iraq, northwestern Iran and northeastern Syria,[3] Assyrian/Syriac immigration to Sweden increased. Those who had lived in Sweden for a longer period of time were granted residency for humanitarian reasons, given the conflicts in their place of origin.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrians/Syriacs_in_Sweden
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 No.226313

>>226308
Also Jews were originally forced into ghettos or formed them.
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 No.226315

>>226309
All they had to do was to adjust the learning sample to be 50% men and 50% women.
Which I'm pretty sure they did… Yet they still cancelled the project.

Because it will still find that men are better. That's why it's such a problem. You can remove obvious stuff but it still find the next best signal, which will still be associated with men (because there is an underlying biological reality).
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 No.226316

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>>226308
>Lynn's data replicates just fine.

No he is a bold-faced liar
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 No.226318

>>226312
Assyrians are Christians.

So in that case it's probably more cultural than genetic, yes (although culture comes from genetics, to some extent).
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 No.226320

>>226311
If their idea of what a “skilled professional” is is based on the past, where literally all skilled professionals were men, the AI is obviously going to discriminate based on those signals.
asserting cause and effect is a judgement. I’m not even saying that women would necessarily be “just as good as men” at the job, but even you have to admit that just because women are traditionally relegated to less skilled work historically, from sociological factors, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all those women are unfit for the skilled work in question.
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 No.226324

>>226282
>Wanting a village/extended family structure. They don't want two parents to have their own children and be responsible for them.
I can't find any information stating that they advocate for the extended family, but what would be the issue with that? Most societies, even today, utlized/utilize the extended family. The extended family doesn't mean a couple doesn't "have" their own children or that they aren't responsible for them, it just means that the children are raised in conjunction with their larger extended family (Grandparents, Aunt and Uncles, Cousins, etc.), which honestly has more stability and cohesion to it then the modern nuclear one (especially regarding parental experience).
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 No.226325

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>>226129
This post is literally like picture related.
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 No.226326

>>226308
>until blacks arrived
New York had ghettos and slums before. The black people that came, came during Jim Crow and where obviously impoverished and explicitly disadvantaged. Even after Jim Crow they were racially disadvantaged, lmao. What do you expect a people to turn out as with such socioeconomic problems for that long? You think that merely happened because they are black? How come Nigerian immigrants are one of the top educated and highest earning immigrants in the US?
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 No.226330

>>226318
So, do you have any more challenges to my assertion that race and crime as claimed by the alt-right is wrong.
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 No.226332

>>226325

>I made a retarded argument first, so I win.


I was just pointing out the idiocy of the argument.
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 No.226334

>>226330
I'm not the other guy (I was part of a parallel debate on AI).

But that doesn't really invalidate what the alt-right says about genetics. Just that it's genetic and cultural, in whatever proportion (but, again, keeping in mind that culture flows from genetics anyway).
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 No.226337

>>226326
Because they are the more skilled and/or smarter portion of their ethnicity who are allowed into western countries. It's not like they are refugees.
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 No.226338

>>226334
What statements are you talking about exactly that it doesn’t invalidate
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 No.226341

>>226316
Shove your gay ass infographs up your ass.
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/iqs-of-various-regions/
>>226320
>it doesn’t necessarily mean that all those women are unfit for the skilled work in question.
Men are better suited for difficult tasks than women and that's about as waterproof as the black white IQ gap (if not more).
>>226326
>The black people that came, came during Jim Crow and where obviously impoverished and explicitly disadvantaged.
Italians, germans, asians and jews were discriminated against as well and they aren't perpetually poor. It's blacks.
>How come Nigerian immigrants are one of the top educated and highest earning immigrants in the US?
Affirmative action and survivor bias.
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 No.226342

>>226334
But that's straight up retarded, Assyrians are genetically to Arabs, so the difference in culture doesn't even come from a difference in genetics. The mental gymnastics race-"realists" do!
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 No.226343

>>226338
>What statements are you talking about exactly that it doesn’t invalidate

It doesn't invalidate that the cause for the crime wave in Sweden is linked to migrants, and to their genetic profile.

All you've shown is that "it's not all migrants", which no one really disputes.
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 No.226346

>>226341
> Men are better suited for difficult tasks than women and that's about as waterproof as the black white IQ gap
This is a vague claim. I’ll admit that they might be more suited for different tasks, but what you mean by “more difficult” I’ll need you to elaborate.
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 No.226347

>>226342
identical.
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 No.226348

>>226343
I’m not the other guy.
You can tie rape crime to genetics, but what claim are you making about it exactly?
That genes determine rape?
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 No.226350

>>226341
>Men are better suited for difficult tasks than women and that's about as waterproof as the black white IQ gap
So, not at all
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 No.226351

>>226346
>but what you mean by “more difficult” I’ll need you to elaborate.
Practically everything, but specifically tasks that require intelligence, strength or mental fortitude. You can count the things women are better at than man at one hand, unironically.
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 No.226352

>>226341
>Italians, germans, asians and jews were discriminated against as well and they aren't perpetually poor. It's blacks.
They were not discriminated against the same way or for that long. Additionally, they came with a higher socioeconomic status than people released from slavery into immediate racial segregation. There were even immigration laws that only permitted for Asians to immigrate who were doctors, lawyers and other high skilled professions. Of course they will have an even higher average socioeconomic status and that wealth will be passed on. These demographics are not comparable.

>Affirmative action

A minority of black people profit from affirmative action. Those profiting most from it are white and Asian women.
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 No.226355

>>226351
Still vague. I’m not convinced
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 No.226356

>>226347
They're not identical. They are close, though.

But migrant groups are not random samples of the source populations. There are intra-group differences that are reflected in migration patterns (i.e. it's preferable to get algerian doctors than algerian uneducated peasants as migrants, regardless of the quality of algerian migrants as a whole).
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 No.226358

>>226352
>They were not discriminated against the same way
>Jews were shoved in ghettos, exiled, banned from getting certain jobs and genocided
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 No.226360

>>226341
>Shove your gay ass info graphs up your ass.
The Lynn rebuttal is from a peer reviewed paper, why should I trust it over a random altrighters blog?


>>226356
The assyrians in Sweden came as refugees and manual workers same as arabs
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 No.226362

>>226352
Also black women. There is a bizarre disparity between black men and black women in American colleges.
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 No.226364

>>226348
>That genes determine rape?

Yes, indirectly.
Genes determine things like time preference, capacity for planning, the ability to understand the consequences of your actions, etc.

You can see this in African-American gentlemen all the bloody time. Last example that comes to mind: George Floyd wondering why the cops are arresting him, literally half an hour after he tried using a fake bill. That's the characteristic inability of Africans to establish inter-temporal relations between events. They literally believe the police is there to oppress them for no reason.
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 No.226365

>>226360
>peer reviewed
Worthless
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 No.226372

>>226364
>time preference, capacity for planning, the ability to understand the consequences of your actions, etc.
you got all this from rape and gene statistics? very interesting stuff.
so how did you isolate out the other factors when you made the control groups?
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 No.226375

>>226360
>The assyrians in Sweden came as refugees and manual workers same as arabs

OK. And they have lower crime rates?
I honestly don't know (I do note that some of the worst gangs in Australia are Assyrian…)
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 No.226378

>>226355
Take a look at who writes history or produces science and engineering. That clear enough for you?
>>226352
>Additionally, they came with a higher socioeconomic status than people released from slavery into immediate racial segregation.
Even if that's true we have been pampering them to no end with a variety of social programs for about 50 years now. When are they ever going to achieve something by themselves?
>>226360
>The Lynn rebuttal is from a peer reviewed paper, why should I trust it over a random altrighters blog?
You can shove your gay ass popularity contest and credentialism as well.
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 No.226380

>>226358
That's 12 years of the Third Reich. Exile and being banned from certain professions fully ended a long time ago. There have been 250 years of chattel slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and racially motivated targeting (redlining, war on drugs, excessive policing habits) to this day. In the case of black people it's not even fully in the past. Meanwhile Jews got their own country and 90 billion dollars of reparations from Germany. Are you too dull to understand the different material outcomes of those groups?
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 No.226381

>>226352
>Those profiting most from it are white and Asian women.
Really? I thought that Affirmative actions discriminated against Asians as well as whites, and therefore they were against it.
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 No.226383

>>226378
> Take a look at who writes history or produces science and engineering. That clear enough for you?
Well there are other factors at play, wouldn’t you agree? Women are usually meant to stay at home and not do this type of stuff. As James Damore points out, they haven’t been accustomed to the workplace yet.
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 No.226384

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 No.226388

>>226372
>so how did you isolate out the other factors when you made the control groups?

Which other factors? We know it's definitely not poverty, considering the wide difference between indigenous/native poor people and migrants.

It's not the suburbs they live in either, because those were peaceful when the native population used to live there.

And if we look at the crime rates in their countries of origin, we find out that generally they match what we observe once they migrate to another country.

As we say in France, "you are looking for noon at 2 pm" (i.e. you are trying to find bizarre explanations, while the most obvious one is right under your nose).
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 No.226389

>>226303
>The thing that is not explained in the article is that it's not the programmer bros who implemented that logic, it is something the AI figured out. When asked to optimize on performance, it searches blindly across ALL signals and keywords it can find in the resume, from hobbies to the companies you interned at, etc.
The AI can't just "figure it out" without first having certain parameters defined for it. It has to know what constitutes "performance" before it can then sort the data for it, and it seems like it didn't actually sort completely "blindly", and rather determined that the term "woman" was something less seen on the resumes it had which defined "performing", and thus deducted points from resumes which had the word in it. For example, chess club and womans chess club shouldn't reasonably be considered different in scoring a resume (they are both effectively chess clubs), the AI doesn't even know what "chess" is outside of it being a scored thing. It doesn't even know what a "woman" is, but it does know that the resumes it has on hand which defines "performance" doesn't have "womans chess club" on it, they have "chess club" on it. Therefore "woman's chess" is something not existent in most currently held resumes, therefore "woman's chess" is less then performing. If you removed all the statements of "woman" to make the resumes in line the lack of gender (or to match it) used in the held resumes, the AI would likely not deduct at all.
>And what does it find? The strongest indicator of under-performance is biological (female vs male). The AI has no concept of a what "women" (or "chess") is. It just sees signals that are more or less strongly linked to performance, in the training sample.
Again, the AI can't define performance without already existing resumes which define performance for it. It also can't look at the context for why a thing is a certain way, it simply just takes the information given and runs it though the algorithm it has, with no ability to reason the "why".
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 No.226391

>>226388
cultural differences
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 No.226392


>>226380
>Meanwhile Jews got their own country and 90 billion dollars of reparations from Germany. Are you too dull to understand the different material outcomes of those groups?
So did Africa. How much have african americans gotten in the last 80 years?
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>>225827
>I am blaming weed legalization for this…
He never did drugs or alcohol anon.
>>226351
>Practically everything, but specifically tasks that require intelligence, strength or mental fortitude. You can count the things women are better at than man at one hand, unironically.
CRINGE
<reddit
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 No.226394

>>226380
At which point can we accept that they are responsible for what happens to them? Is there a limit?

Haiti became independent more than two centuries ago, but somehow white people are still blamed for their failures.
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 No.226395

>>226381
It's a far fetched narrative by the far right.

>>226378
>pampering them to no end with a variety of social programs
I assure you, you haven't. The US has the most cutthroat form of capitalism and you let the poorest population in your country rot. You only have affirmative action and I already stated why it barely helps black people. Affirmative action is just not the correct way to handle this issue.
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 No.226398

>>226394
Haiti is not necessarily independent. Their government is backed by major foreign energy companies that have designs on the country.
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 No.226399

>>226395
>It's a far fetched narrative by the far right.
No it isn't
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 No.226401

>>226394
>Haiti became independent
What exactly is your understanding of how international politics works, anon?
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 No.226402

>>226391

Cultures flows from genetics anyway, so we're kinda back to square one.
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 No.226403

>>226402
>Cultures flows from genetics
Prove this.
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 No.226404

>>226394
> At which point can we accept that they are responsible for what happens to them?
Who said anything about making them responsible? I assumed the whole point of this debate was to make white people responsible to take up eugenic practices
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 No.226405

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 No.226406

>>226401

Haiti is about as independent as Switzerland or Singapore.

Explain why it's still a complete abject failure.
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 No.226408

>>226406
>as Switzerland or Singapore
so, not independent?
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 No.226410

>>226408
How are Singapore and Switzerland not independent?
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 No.226411

>>226399
The entire idea that affirmative action steals spots of more worthy Asian or white applicants is plain false. It's a far too tedious topic for me to explain it all. Just step outside of your /pol/ bubble and inform yourself.
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 No.226414

>>226383
>Women are usually meant to stay at home and not do this type of stuff.
We don't live in the 1950 anymore. Women are propped up about as much as blacks these days and their list of achievements are still zero.
>As James Damore points out, they haven’t been accustomed to the workplace yet.
There was no historical discrimination of women in the tech field (at least not relatively) and they still suck at it. The answer is quite simple: they suck at it because they suck at it.
>>226381
Depends on their sex, perhaps.
>>226395
>I assure you, you haven't.
What's the latest numbers? 50 Trillion in foreign aid for Africa and god knows how much in welfare for poor blacks. Not to mention the general security that is provided to you by just living in America as compared to other shithole countries. It's never enough.
>>226405
> Also Africa got its independence 60 years ago.
And things got worse for them afterwards, lmao.
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 No.226415

>>226411
>The entire idea that affirmative action steals spots of more worthy Asian or white applicants is plain false
No it's not. It's literally the mechanism.
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 No.226416

>>226405

Literally every single thing Africa has is due to the west.

The fact that we buy their fucking Uranium is just leftist cope.
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 No.226417

Range ban USA plz
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 No.226418

>>226404
>make white people responsible to take up eugenic practices
What does this mean?
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 No.226419

>>226414
>50 Trillion in foreign aid for Africa
I already explained why this is a fallacy to the same post you already replied to. Read the sources.
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 No.226420

>>226417
Plz no, not all of us are like the retard ITT.
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 No.226422

>>226410
There is no such thing as a fully independent country with our modern industrialization. It’s like saying the DDR is independent from the Soviet Union.
Being independent in the sense that it was possible 300 years ago means it’s possible to be selective about trade and who you rely on economically. No country can do this today, it’s either you trade with the west or you get sanctioned like Cuba.
but listen, I’m happy with how the future is going. I’m not concerned about Haiti. China is bringing multipolarity and I do trust they will have their independence, so I’m not concerned. It’s you that’s concerned about the rise of the 3rd world and telling us we need to take up the white man’s burden and be responsible for it. But I don’t feel responsibility at all. I’m happy with how things are going.
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 No.226423

>>226405
Africa has gotten trillions in foreign aid, charity and western investment. African Americans have received trillions in welfare and charity.
Cope.
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 No.226425

>>226419
Then how is the aid to Israel not a fallacy?
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 No.226426

>>226406
Haiti is a subject state of the United States. It's one of the Clintons major projects, and the Us profits heavily from it. Your mattress was probably made in Haiti for pennies on the dollar.
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 No.226427

>>226415
>No it's not. It's literally the mechanism.
Proof?
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 No.226428

>>226422
>It’s you that’s concerned about the rise of the 3rd world and telling us we need to take up the white man’s burden and be responsible for it.

I think you are projecting. I'm not particularly concerned about the "rise" of Haiti.
The only thing that concerns me is how third-world nations are polluting oceans and the atmosphere, which does affect us.
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 No.226429

>>226428
Well I’m not.
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 No.226432

>>226428
You will have you environmental war with China. You will support Biden and cuck yourself to the Democrat party. I don’t really care. China will win and I don’t think the US is prepared for the morale of 1 billion people who all support their country, compared to the divided US.
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 No.226434

>>226426
China is also exploited and it's exploding in wealth

>>226427
>give african americans a better chance bor guarantee ecause of their race
>logically that must put some other Europeans and Asians at a disadvantage for not being african american because of the limited number of spots and high number of applications
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 No.226435

>>226426

I'm not a burger so I doubt my mattress was made in Haiti, but even if it was that doesn't explain why the country is a shithole where 5yo kids prostitute themselves and the ground is covered in trash.
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 No.226436

>>226423
France controls the finances of its former colonies by controlling the CFA Franc. All that aid and shit is going right back into their own pockets.
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 No.226437

>>226364
>George Floyd wondering why the cops are arresting him, literally half an hour after he tried using a fake bill. That's the characteristic inability of Africans to establish inter-temporal relations between events. They literally believe the police is there to oppress them for no reason.
There's no proof that Floyd knew the bill was a fake, and fake bills had been circulating in the area and had been a common occurance (which is why the store had been on the look out). The treatment Floyd then received during his arrest was also not at all appropriate in regards to what had occured, and he was initially entirely compliant until he collapsed in the car from feeling closed in and entrapped, complaining that it was affecting his breathing. He was then dragged out and killed due to negligence and an extreme indifference to his life, which I don't think anyone could establish an "inter-temporal relation" for as a consequence of giving a fake $20 bill or collapsing in a vehicle.
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 No.226440

>>226434
Go back to /pol/ please.
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 No.226442

>>226435
>even if it was that doesn't explain why the country is a shithole where 5yo kids prostitute themselves and the ground is covered in trash.
It actually explains it perfectly you fucking retard. Into economics.
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 No.226443

>>226434
> China is also exploited and it's exploding in wealth
That’s not what the western news is telling me. I thought China is winning the trade war and we need to be concerned about their hegemony?
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 No.226444

>>226432
I'm neither American nor Chinese so I don't really have a horse in this race.

I don't even know what China is trying to win in the first place. Becoming the rulers of the new financial world order?

I have absolutely no reason to believe the Chinese paper money is going to be worth more than the American paper money.
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 No.226446

To the /pol/yp ITT: you realize that even if your claim about white men being superior was true, you still realize that within trends, there are outliers, and that you still haven't said anything about your own intelligence. Let's put it this way; on average men are taller than women, that is a basic fact that we can see around us every day. However, I know women who are over 6 feet tall, and I know men who are under 5 foot 6. So again, even if your claim about white men being superior was true overall you still haven't said anything about yourself, you're just piggybacking off the supposed overall success of people who share your skin color and genitalia.
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 No.226447

>>226436
France does not control the CFA Franc.

It's just an indexing mechanism African countries use to have relatively stable currencies, so speculators like George Soros don't starve their population by gambling with their shit currencies.
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 No.226448

>>226437
>drug addicted criminal just so happens to pay with fake money but he was actually a good boy
Racism is the radical believe that blacks are responsible for their own actions.
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 No.226449

>>226447
>France does not control the CFA Franc.
lol
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 No.226450

>>226442
>It actually explains it perfectly you fucking retard. Into economics.

Countries that manufacture mattresses necessarily have trash on the ground and kids prostituting themselves? How come? Is that true for just mattresses?

I'll have to check mine, I think it comes from Ikea.
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 No.226451

>>226436
And outside the former colonies?

>>226440
Not an argument.

>>226443
Sometimes the news will admit that chinese workers are paid very low wages and subjected to poor safety standards. Of course they don't see capitalism as exploitation but they do recognise Chinas rise.
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 No.226455

>>226444
1. Communists strive to spread communism all over the globe
2. The century of humiliation. They have a chip on their shoulder and might also want revenge.
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 No.226459

>>226444
China is doing something very simple, trying to uplift and build an economy for its own people and achieve this by a reciprocal relationship with the 3rd world and infrastructural initiatives to this end. Unlike the US, which fucks over its own people (even poor whites) while creating wealth by ad hoc Roman style pillaging of the 3rd world and its resources to maintain hegemony in excess resources and trade. If the US did what China was doing, things would go over a lot smoother for white people as the hegemony of the Anglo-American empire declines.
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 No.226460

>>226450
>kids prostituting themselves?
Are you implying that it's ok when adults do it?
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 No.226461

>>226446
1. There are multiple /pol/yps here (I'm one of them)

2. I am not an individualist, so I look at the achievements of my people in addition to my own. It's the only way it can work for any complex, collective achievement anyway (not a single man can build a cathedral or a space program).
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 No.226462

>>226443
The only people concerned about China thought Russia stole the election in 2016 and that election fraud is a myth in 2020.

They aren't sending their best.
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 No.226463

>>226459
China is doing what the US is doing. They own water rights in countries like Australia.
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 No.226464

>>226451
> Sometimes the news will admit that chinese workers are paid very low wages and subjected to poor safety standards.
This may be the case, but the standard of living is still rising over time. Unlike countries like Haiti in their current Clintonite political regime.
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 No.226465

>>226459
>reciprocal relationship with the 3rd world

It's fine if you believe that, but please I hope you're not the other anon who is arguing that the west is exploiting Africa. Because that would be a massive hypocritical double standard.
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 No.226467

>>226448
Not an relevant point. Because you are implying that cops and white people aren't responsible for their actions against black people because black people generally aren't.
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 No.226469

>>226461
>There are multiple /pol/yps here (I'm one of them)
Oh lord.
>I am not an individualist, so I look at the achievements of my people in addition to my own. It's the only way it can work for any complex, collective achievement anyway (not a single man can build a cathedral or a space program).
Cope, you're proving my point. What about white women, are they le based members of the Aryan race, or le dumb femoids, which is it?
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 No.226470

>>226416
>Literally every single thing Africa has is due to the west.
Colonialism was overall just bad for the development of Africa. While in the Americas and Australia native populations were mostly in the stone age, Africa was at least in the iron age, indicating some level of independent development that could have continued without Europeans. As a /pol/ack you are just uneducated on the geographical factors that have influenced the development of civilizations in Africa. European colonialism degraded large swaths of regions to monocultures to extract 1 type of resource - simplifying the African economy and its development, several 10s of millions of Africans died due to colonialism which reduced the total size of the available work force, Europeans collected taxes not to improve their colonies but to enrich themselves and Europeans profited from slavery for centuries. It was overall negative for Africa. /pol/acks assume just because Europeans introduced some technologies to Africa (to more efficiently exploit it) turns the entire scale to a net positive for Africans. It simply doesn't and that's blatantly obvious with a pinch of honesty untainted by white supremacy. Even to this day African exploitation and geopolitical bullying hasn't stopped. In the end colonialism enriched the West and catapulted their industrialization. So it's the other way around. The West would be far behind to its today's standing without its centuries long exploitation of Africa.
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 No.226471

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 No.226472

>>226469
>What about white women, are they le based members of the Aryan race, or le dumb femoids, which is it?

It's both. Try to process that.
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 No.226473

>>226464
Yes, maybe because they are black. The dominican republic are mostly mestizo and better off.
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 No.226476

>>226448
>Ignoring the arguement to instead make an emotional appeal
Notice how nowhere did I say he was a "good boy". I simply stated how there was zero proof that he knew the dollar bill was fake, and how the consequences were uncalled for. Whether he had a drug addiction or past criminal history (none of which was in forgery to my knowledge) is inconsiquential to what occured after the police were called.
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 No.226477

>>226472
>It's both. Try to process that.
So who is smarter, white women or black men?
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 No.226478

>>226473
I disagree
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 No.226480

>>226467
Look up interracial murder statistics, dude
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 No.226481

>>226470
>The West would be far behind to its today's standing without its centuries long exploitation of Africa.

What would we have done without cocoa and bananas, I wonder.
No railroads I suppose.
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 No.226482

>>226470
>Colonialism was overall just bad for the development of Africa.
Former african colonies are richer than their independent counterparts on average. Furthermore colonialism was never profitable and you are spreading pseudoscience.
>>226477
>So who is smarter, white women or black men?
White women, they just can't do anything with their intelligence, whereas blacks don't have it in the first place.
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 No.226485

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 No.226488

>>226482
>they just can't do anything with their intelligence,
Elaborate.
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 No.226489

>>226482
>Furthermore colonialism was never profitable
Then why did Europe do it, retard?
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 No.226490

>>226473
Do the Clintons do >>226471 in the dominicans?
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 No.226494

>>226485
I think it’s because they lack quality jobs, infrastructure, health services, and are having their national debt exploited by energy companies that simply want to take resources from Haiti without leaving anything in return.
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 No.226495

>>226482
>Former african colonies are richer than their independent counterparts on average.
Lol, no. There are only 2 African countries that haven't been colonized. That is Ethiopia and Liberia. Ethiopia is at the economic top of the African nations and Liberia at the economic bottom. There is no correlation.
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 No.226496

>>226477
On average, white women.

The problem with women is not their average IQ (which is only very slightly below the one of men), not even the fact that their IQ distribution is narrower (than men), but the fact that their emotions are completely different. Women can be very methodical and rational (that's the IQ part) about doing crazy stuff that makes no sense.
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 No.226499

>>226476
The guy was high on drugs while all of that happened. Stop degrading yourself by simping for that scum.
>>226488
The mean difference between white men and women is just 5 points, but they way the sexes utilize their IQ through their personality is radically different. Truth be told i don't really know what women use their intelligence for, but it can be measured.
>>226489
Who knows, don't care. It wasn't profitable.
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 No.226501

>>226482
>Former african colonies are richer than their independent counterparts on average.
The only countries that weren't colonialized were Liberia and Ethiopia, so what exactly are you talking about
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 No.226502

>>226496
>Women can be very methodical and rational (that's the IQ part) about doing crazy stuff that makes no sense.
I'll give ya that.
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 No.226505

>>226495
>Liberia wasn't colonised
My sides are in orbit
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 No.226506

>>226480
>Look up criminal statistics
It always ends up looking at statistics for crime. Can we do better?
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 No.226510

>>226490
They did it in China
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 No.226512

>>226506
Look up crimestats by european ancestry.
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 No.226518

>>226512
Crime statistics are done by the FBI. We know those statistics aren't to be trusted. Let's try something else shall we?
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 No.226519

>>226228
Could you direct me on one such example of Shaun being debunked? Like the video itself or something.
I've seen a bunch of such attempts, which were just rightoids coping.
Also, please try to put more effort into your posts, so that they are somewhat intelligible. I feel nice today, therefore I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume that English is not your first language.
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 No.226521

>>226499
>Who knows, don't care. It wasn't profitable.
Lmao. We both know it was profitable. There would just be no point in it. Everything in this world is driven by material mechanisms. That what you /pol/acks don't understand.
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 No.226522

>>226499
>Truth be told i don't really know what women use their intelligence for, but it can be measured.
Different women use it for different things'. Like I said, people are defined by their own selves, not what groups they're part of.
>>226499
>Who knows, don't care. It wasn't profitable.
Then why are they still doing it now??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Africa_Command
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 No.226523

>>226494
So did China and Korea

>>226494
They sell textiles. It's not like they are Australia (which has benefited massively from mining exports)
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>>226481
>What would we have done without cocoa and bananas, I wonder. No railroads I suppose.
<Implying the only thing that Africa had was cocoa and bananas, or that goods (especially ones harvested utilizing colonial labour) sold as commodities abroad doesn't stimulate economic development
>>226482
>Former african colonies are richer than their independent counterparts on average. Furthermore colonialism was never profitable and you are spreading pseudoscience.
Look up Burkina Faso. Cold war era African nation which achieved agricultural self-sufficiency and major infrastructure development without accepting western aid, that was undone by the French in an orchestrated coup.
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 No.226528

>>226512
>european ancestry
Not to be racist or anything but you "people" all need to be put down like the rabid dogs you are.
t. European
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 No.226529

>>226519
Either look up 'alt-hype' or 'modern heresey'
>>226521
>There would just be no point in it.
So i guess that means you think every person and institution is a perfectly rational actor. Please spare me the lectures about the NAP.
>Everything in this world is driven by material mechanisms.
Does that include evolutionary psychology?
>>226528
Wow, a self-hating white person. Never seen that before.
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 No.226531

>>226506
You tried to shift the conversation to white people (who are punished also)
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 No.226534

>>226522
>people are defined by their own selves, not what groups they're part of.
kek
KEK
K E K
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 No.226536

>>226499
>The guy was high on drugs while all of that happened. Stop degrading yourself by simping for that scum.
<Still no argument
I like how you had to retract all the way back to this as a way to legitimize what occured. Even if he was high, he wasn't combative, and only collapsed when in the car. The law, to my knowledge, doesn't say you can kill a person through extreme indifference to his life if he's high. What he was allegedly high with was also Fentanyl, an opioid. Which if know anything about, is a downer, not an upper.
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 No.226539

>>226534
Whats funny about this? If you are thinking about class, class analysis doesn't contradict this.
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 No.226540

>>226529
White doesn't mean shit to actual Europeans no matter that your sorry excuse for a society has psyoped a small number of them into qcults and other american cultural exports.
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 No.226546

>>226499
>He was high on drugs.
>Stop simping for him.

Oops druggies must all deserve to die even if they were cooperative for 80% of the encounter. Gotta kill em all.

>>226531
No. I was saying the line of argument of that "Racism is belief that Black people should be responsible for their actions." Is irrelevant because you are implying that white people and cops don't have to be responsible for their actions against black people in general.
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 No.226550

>claims blacks are violent
>forgets that white people invented nuclear weapons, chemical warfare, machine guns, bagpipes, and started two world wars
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 No.226551

>>226536
>>226546
He wasn't killed but died from a drug overdore and now you are simping for legitimacy of the US state as well. I expect better form people that call themselves revolutionaries.
>>226540
>White doesn't mean shit to actual Europeans
Yeah, all the white people in Europe just love to live with their non-white neighbours…oh wait.
>cops don't have to be responsible for their actions against black people in general
Did you know that cops become more likely to shoot blacks with bodycams on? I hate the cops probably more than you do, btw.
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 No.226553

>226546
>because you are implying that white people and cops don't have to be responsible for their actions against black people in general.
How am I implying that?
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 No.226558

>>226529
>evolutionary psychology
Only the /pol/yps could decry Freud, but then utilize a field practically birthed from him, while also ignoring it's less then testable nature.
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 No.226560

>>226529
>Either look up 'alt-hype' or 'modern heresey'
Both channels seem to be gone (or ShitTube intentionally hides them, despite the exact search input)
I can only find reuploads of said videos regarding Shaun, which are from conservatard shills. Not exactly something, that looks any less "biased" than Shaun.
This will be fun…
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 No.226561

>>226551
>Yeah, all the white people in Europe just love to live with their non-white neighbours
What the fuck are you talking about? Yes, there are people that aren't the same culturally as the majority in Europe. No it doesn't escalate in the excessive abuses as it does in burgerstan.
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 No.226562

>>226524
Kek
>muh Thomas Sankara
Every single debate about Africa ends up with Burkina Faso and Thomas Sankara.

The reason the entire continent of Africa is a such a shithole is because France wanted cheap mangoes and Sankara was being a spoilsport.
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 No.226563

>>226550
>invent nuclear weapons
>war between europeans ends
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 No.226567

>>226540
>
White doesn't mean shit to actual Europeans

It is quickly changing, for two reasons:

1. Now there are non-whites in Europe (so the concept becomes relevant);
2. The "critical race theory" (or whatever you want to call it) is now also in full force in Europe
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 No.226569

>>226567
This is just sad. Destroying your culture and ethnicity while supporting and recognising minorities.
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 No.226570

>>226560
This is a good rebuttal: https://archive.org/details/modern-heresy-rebuttal-to-shaun-vids-the-bell-curve
>>226558
So is evolutionary psychology materialistic or not?
>>226561
>What the fuck are you talking about?
White people prefer to live and be around other white people regardless of their class much moreso than blacks or muslims from their class. How much do you wanna bet you live in a predominately white area?
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 No.226573

>>226550
>>claims blacks are violent
>forgets that white people invented nuclear weapons, chemical warfare, machine guns, bagpipes, and started two world wars

There is absolutely no contradiction, and as a /pol/yp I don't disagree with you.

Europeans spent centuries murdering each other for political and ideological reasons (Vive le Roi, Vive la Republique, Vive la commune, etc.)

African-american gentlemen will punch a 78 year old Asian lady in the streets for fun (or to steal $10).

That's two different concepts of violence.
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 No.226574

>>226551
>He wasn't killed but died from a drug overdore and now you are simping for legitimacy of the US state as well. I expect better form people that call themselves revolutionaries.
Anon, look up what 2nd degree murder is. There is no proof he actually died from an overdose, and if he did, the actions of the officers would still constitute 2nd degree murder given that they did nothing to assist and rather exacerbated his condition, even after he had gone unconscious. Also, who are you to talk about "simping for legitimacy of the US state", you're literally simping for cops, the enforcing arm of the state. Being a revolutionary doesn't mean you condone every cop killing because less then 1% may get punished by the legal system. That would be like being ok with rapists and pedophiles and saying they shouldn't be put on trial because the state may be the one punishing them.
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 No.226578

>>226570
>So is evolutionary psychology materialistic or not?
It's practically not testable, which is why you get hundreds of contridictory hypothesis every year that end up going nowhere.
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 No.226579

>>226573
>Europeans spent centuries murdering each other for political and ideological reasons (Vive le Roi, Vive la Republique, Vive la commune, etc.)
>African-american gentlemen will punch a 78 year old Asian lady in the streets for fun (or to steal $10).
So it sounds to me like Black people are laid back hedonists or just do things that actually materially benefit themselves, whereas Euros are spooked by bs ideologies that don't actually affect the real world.
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 No.226582

>>226579
That's a fair assessment.
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 No.226583

>>226573
>That's two different concepts of violence.
The copiest cope to ever cope.
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 No.226585

>>226579
Yes. That's also why blacks don't succeed.
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 No.226586

>>226567
Don't try to tell me about Europe disgusting burger.
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 No.226588

>>226582
Lmaoooo, /pol/yp is taking Yakub pill.
>>226585
Violence over things that materially benefit you sounds more successful to me thn violence over ideologies that don't materially benefit you.
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 No.226589

>>226551
>He wasn't killed but died from a drug overdore
0 evidence to show this.
>>226551
>I hate the cops probably more than you do, btw.
I bet your hate is nothing but impotent rage you never acted upon. your whole worlview is that of cope.
>>226569
>This is just sad. Destroying your culture and ethnicity while supporting and recognising minorities.
>europe is a culture
lmao.
Why would i even want a stagnant culture? If 'protecting' it means rejecting all outside elements then fuck it, i will burn it down myself.
>>226573
>european don't punch people for money or fun, no sir, never happens, not a common recurrence at all.
Lmao. wtf do chuds think europe is like, exactly?
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 No.226590

>>226586
Je suis français espèce de trou du cul.
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 No.226591

>>226588
It might sound that way to you but history shows that it isn't
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 No.226597

>>226591
>It might sound that way to you but history shows that it isn't
How?
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 No.226600

>>226588
>Violence over things that materially benefit you sounds more successful to me thn violence over ideologies that don't materially benefit you.

One kind of violence motivates the building of empires, state-of-the-art research leading up the the invention of things like the Internet, etc.

The other kind of violence lands you in jail.

Which one is more "succesful"?
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 No.226603

>>226600
>One kind of violence motivates the building of empires, state-of-the-art research leading up the the invention of things like the Internet, etc.
How do you think they got the resources to do that?
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 No.226605

>>226603
>How do you think they got the resources to do that?

Let me guess, the answer is Thomas Sankara?
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 No.226606

>>226597
Africans not succeeding anywhere. Planning, innovating and cooperating is materialistically more beneficial than hedonism and stealing (ie not generating capital)
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 No.226607

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 No.226608

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Reading this shit is bringing me closer to afro pessimism. I honestly believe there is no hope.
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 No.226609

>>226603
Not colionalism since almost every historian has concluded that it wasn't profitable.
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 No.226610

>>226562
>Every single debate about Africa ends up with Burkina Faso and Thomas Sankara.
He's a pretty good example of what happens to African nations who actually do develop themselves.
>The reason the entire continent of Africa is a such a shithole is because France wanted cheap mangoes and Sankara was being a spoilsport.
Bit of an oversimplification, and there are other factors like trade, tribal divisions, and the conditions certain regions of Africa, but more or less yes. It wasn't just "cheap mangos" though, most of Burkina Faso's current exports for example is Gold.
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 No.226611

>>226590
You are one of the qcultists and/or other victim of american mind control if that is true. You should be ashamed for debasing your culture like that.
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 No.226612

>>226574
>the actions of the officers would still constitute 2nd degree murder given that they did nothing to assist and rather exacerbated his condition
As if that guy deserves this kind of help to begin with. He was a drugged up criminal stealing shit.
>>226578
>It's practically not testable
There are dozens of good books and papers out there. You are just refusing to accept the field on principle.
>>226589
>the self-hating white guy denies that european culture exists
Shocker. Do you realize that everything you stand for is a mental illness?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.226613

>>226606
>more beneficial than hedonism and stealing (ie not generating capital)
How do you think capital is generated then? Hard work, talent, and innovation? Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps? Are you really that naive?
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 No.226617

>>226609
What historians? You?
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 No.226619

>>226613
Let me guess: black's picking up cotton lead to the industrial revolution?
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 No.226620

>>226600
They both can land you in jail you massive retard.
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 No.226621

>>226613
Not assaulting asians in an advanced nation which of course you must extol to make excuses for blacks
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 No.226624

>>226612
>Shocker. Do you realize that everything you stand for is a mental illness?
You are a frenchman?
Is It culture yours? british? Greek? Slovak? WTF nonsense do you talk?!
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 No.226625

>>226589
>Why would i even want a stagnant culture? If 'protecting' it means rejecting all outside elements then fuck it, i will burn it down myself.

Why would European culture need African or Islamic culture exactly?

Just because we're not banging on drums or throwing acid on women does not mean our culture is stagnant.
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 No.226626

>>226621
Most hate crimes are generally committed by whites and you still want to beat that dead horse?
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 No.226627

>>226620
Killing in war isn't murder unless you lose

>>226626
I'm not talking about hate crimes
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 No.226629

>>226611
I'm not sure what you are alluding to.
I'm quite anti-American, so I doubt I'm influenced in any way by what's happening over there.
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 No.226630

>>226619
No, the industrial revolution happened partly due to innovations of white people and partly due to the innovations of non-whites that were stolen by white people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Howard_Latimer, that they used to enslave and steal people's surplus value to generate capital in a more effective way than ever before.
>>226621
Where in my post did I make an excuse for anti-Asian hate crimes? You fucking idiot.
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 No.226632

>>226627
> I'm not talking about hate crimes
When you are speaking about assaulting Asians, then yes we are.
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 No.226635

>>226625
>Why would European culture need African or Islamic culture exactly?
Why does any culture 'need' anything?
Why should any culture reject assimilting parts of african or islamic cultures, exactly?
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 No.226636

>>226626
>Most hate crimes are generally committed by whites

Kek

Even the Asian redditors had to abandon this line of thinking given the overwhelming evidence that assaults against their elders are caused by African-American gentlemen
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 No.226637

Another thread ruined by polyps. Saged and hidden.
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 No.226638

>>226624
everyone who talks about European culture is a LARPing americunt.
>>226629
The most insane people don't know they are insane.
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 No.226639

>>226635
>Why should any culture reject assimilting parts of african or islamic cultures, exactly?

Because it would be a regression for the most part.
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 No.226642

>>226632
Blacks just happen to assault them at a higher rate. I'm not implying that they hate asians.
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 No.226643

>>226637
Well, the thread was about /pol/, so I think it's only fair they get to trot out their shitty arguments in this containment thread so they don't sit up other threads.
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 No.226646

>>226635
Because Islam is the false religion to Christians or "regressive" to progressives
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 No.226648

>>226639
>a regression
How? What does tat mean?
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 No.226650

>>226642
They are Covid related hate crimes. It doesn‘t matter what you imply, it‘s clearly why these hate crimes increased. Give me a source that proves that the hate crimes committed last and this year against Asians have been disproportionally committed by blacks. I haven‘t found none. There are only general hate crime statistics and the majority are done by white people.
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 No.226652

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 No.226653

>>226612
>As if that guy deserves this kind of help to begin with. He was a drugged up criminal stealing shit.
Given that you've moved past actually justifying the action legally and have moved to just emotionally kvetching about how the murder was fine because a possibly high man paid with a fake $20, I'll accept you conceding the initial argument you tried to make.
>There are dozens of good books and papers out there. You are just refusing to accept the field on principle.
I've read plenty. You always end up with the same incapability of testing the hypothesis, which is again why you can have 10 different evopysch fags look at the exact same information and come to 10 different contradictory hypotheses, and conclude with testing none of them, leaving 10 hypotheses floating in the void of academia.
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 No.226656

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>>226307
>Hopefully nobody notices that I make up shit as I go.
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 No.226657

>>226636
Your rekt compilations on /b/ isn‘t evidence
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 No.226658

>>226650
>They are Covid related hate crimes.

Wea[pons-grade enriched copium.
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 No.226659

>>226647
they have things in common. Imagine it as US and Mexico, you should be able to understand that. You will always be an amerilard no matter what. You will never be European.
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 No.226661

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 No.226663

>>226652
Because of their strict family structure, blasphemy law, hatred for pets, intolerance for other religions etc.
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 No.226665

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>>226663
so like Christianity ?
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 No.226666

>>226658
Still haven't posted statistics.
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 No.226668

>>226573
>That's two different concepts of violence.
No it is not. One just happens to have more ill-gotten money to force an entire nation into their violent act.
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 No.226671

>>226667
Based, unlike the anon you responded to that just makes me like them more.
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 No.226672

>>226665
Yes. That's why progressives do not like Christians.
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 No.226673

>>226663
>hatred for pets
Made me laugh for out of place this was in the list, and sounding like something might write in a twitter rant.
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 No.226674

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>>226672
ok so why do we still tolerate Christianity ?
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 No.226678

>>226669
You. still. haven't. posted. statistics. that. prove. that. black. disproportionately. commit. anti. Asian. hate. crimes.
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 No.226681

>>226678 (me)
*black people
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 No.226684

>>226673
It is bizarre but I actually think it's relevant due to the progressives love for pets and also animal rights. Muslim taxi drivers have been fired due to refusing to take dogs into their cars. They think they are unclean.
Another part of islam that progressives don't like is circumcision (banned in parts of Europe)

>>226674
Who is we? Communists almost never have.
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 No.226687

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>>226684
i'm asking because you seem concerned about those things you accuse islam of
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 No.226691

>>226674
Because Jesus died for your sins and he was the first communist.
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 No.226695

>>226684
>t is bizarre but I actually think it's relevant due to the progressives love for pets and also animal rights. Muslim taxi drivers have been fired due to refusing to take dogs into their cars. They think they are unclean.
Another part of islam that progressives don't like is circumcision (banned in parts of Europe)
I hate islam, and I think it's a reactionary force in the world just like most other religions, however, I don't hat Muslim people, unlike you.
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 No.226698

>>226687
Do I? Why does that matter?
I'm explaining why Islam is regressive to progressives
>>226695
How can you hate Islam and not muslims?
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 No.226701

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>>226621
Not even your model minorities are on your side for this one.
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 No.226702

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>>226678
>>226687
Feelings and intution stems from evolutionary pressures shaping us into functional organisms and it is perfectly rational to trust them.
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 No.226703

>>226698
>How can you hate Islam and not muslims?
because I hate that part of their beliefs, not the people themselves.
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 No.226704

>>226701
OK, I wasn't talking about hate crimes. I could have said black people beating up and stealing from other black people.
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 No.226711

>>226703
But they believe and perpetuate that culture. And you cannot reform Islam because they believe in the teachings of Allah and Muhammad.
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 No.226712

>>226702
So for the "other race" row on this chart, the column with the largest value is "other race".

So once again, most crime is intraracial, not interracial.

What's your point.
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 No.226713

>>226702
It just says "other races," not anything specifically pertaining to Asians.
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 No.226714

>>226702
They asked you for sources that the recent hate crimes against Asians were mostly committed by blacks and you post a general murder statistic from 2013. The eternal /pol/ack.
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 No.226717

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>>226698
oh and for a moment i thought you had a problem with muslims
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 No.226719

>>226714
Post the source showing they're caused by "anti-Covid" hatred
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 No.226724

File: 1620312926209.pdf (2.35 MB, 232x300, FACT SHEET- Anti-Asian Hat….pdf)

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 No.226726

>>226714
I would have put more effort into it, but got banned twice in a thread with the purpose of debating my ideas. The eternal /lefty/ will ban you the second his circlejerk is disturbed and then pretend like he won.
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 No.226729

>>226711
>But they believe and perpetuate that culture.
A. Most of them have an understanding they are living in a different culture now, they have no intent to replace it.
B. Many of who we call muslims in europe are not muslims traidtionally as burgers like to understand them, they either do not really believe or there belief becomes secondary to there modern western lifestyle.
>you cannot reform islam
What does reform mean?
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 No.226731

>>226717
It doesn't matter what I think of them personally. I'm explaining why Europe would want to reject Islam.
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 No.226732

>>226726
<thinks this site is a circlejerk
lurk moar
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 No.226733

>>226711
The ones who are into the unironic homophobe and honor killing shit, yes, I do hate them. But I also know many Muslims who are relatively secular and use their beliefs as a way to simply help them find a deeper purpose, and I also know plenty of deeply religious Muslims who are committed to their faith and even don't eat pork and fast on Ramadan, but also don't use their beliefs as an excuse to hate or commit violence against others.
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 No.226734

>>226726
Okay buddy live your shizophrenic fantasy world where you shift the goal post every other second
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 No.226735

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>>226731
oh don't sell yourself sort my little baguette of course what you think matters
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 No.226736

>>226732
I've lurked enough to say with absolute certainty that this is a circlejerk. Less so than reddit, but that doesn't mean much.
>>226734
>schizo
Always a classic.
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 No.226737

>>226729
>What does reform mean?
They cannot change their beliefs substantially. Anglicans allow same sex marriage but Orthodox Christians never will.

>>226729
So then Europe having to integrate their religion is moot since they are giving it up themselves?
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 No.226738

>>226704
Oh you mean how more than 80% of white murder victims are killed by other white people due to socioeconomic racial segregation and proximity crime? Tell me about it buddy.
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 No.226742

>>226737
>They cannot change their beliefs substantially.
define substantially.
I am sorry, i do not mean to be rude but can you please stop using such weasel words?
Europe does not have a singular religion.
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 No.226743

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>>226737
>but Orthodox Christians never will.
yeah i also agree that europe would want to reject orthodoxy
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 No.226744

>>226733
>The ones who are into the unironic homophobe
So all of them

> but also don't use their beliefs as an excuse to hate or commit violence against others.

It's not about using Islam as an excuse, it's about submitting to Allah and following his teachings.
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 No.226746

>>226744
>So all of them
No. I can name multiple who I personally know who are not. Please go outside.
>>226744
>It's not about using Islam as an excuse, it's about submitting to Allah and following his teachings.
You can believe in something, even if it's spooky and fake, without fully submitting. Dumbass.
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 No.226747

>>226744
>So all of them
kek. Where do you live where you think this is true, anon? You cannot be european despite you claim you are.
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 No.226749

>>226669
>I concede nothing. Floyd was a lowlife criminal that died from a drug overdose and humanity is better off without him.
Anon, you conceded your initial argument. Him going through a drug overdose doesn't provide a free pass for murder, just like it wouldn't be a free pass to murder the countless opiod addicts in the US. Cope already.
>That doesn't actually happen because evolutionary psychology, just like intelligence research, is politically controversial. You can't get away with half-assing that shit or else you get fired, unlike sociologist. And even IF you get it right, you are probably still going to get fired.
Anon, you can get away with half-assing a lot of fucking shit in evolutionary psychology, more so then regular psychology because you don't even need to provide tests for much of the assumptions. Some of the biggest evopsych studies conducted by some of the biggest companies and universities in the world end up having little scientific validity to them when you pick it apart. All you need to do is make an appeal to the adaptive value of something, and to evopsych that good enough. Sometimes that can be adequate when looking at things like lizards, avains, or mammals in general (for example the feeling of pain), but it completely falls apart when you start trying to hypothesis why humans think a certain way. Practically any hypothesis can be "justified", and there's no way to validate them.
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 No.226751

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>islam is inherently homophobic
please go back to the original discussion
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 No.226754

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The fact that this thread exploded in activity to a point I can't reasonably keep up with it anymore is indication of a /pol/ack raid. I mean fuck, I just left for half an hour.
The fact that so much pseudo-science being posted and constant bad-faith acting is evidence of it.
And then the chinlets go full cope seethe, when the board's mods become more authoritarian.
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 No.226756

>>226673
>>226744
>>226754
>The fact that this thread exploded in activity to a point I can't reasonably keep up with it anymore is indication of a /pol/ack raid. I mean fuck, I just left for half an hour.
TBF a big part of that would be that we love the bait.
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 No.226757

>>226742
It cannot change to meet progressive standards.
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 No.226758

>>226746
>without fully submitting.
Not in Islam which means "to submit"
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 No.226760

>>226754
I'm a /pol/ack but there is no raid (check the catalog and archive right now if you don't believe).

There's probably just a handful of us debating against a handful of you. That's not a raid :|
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 No.226761

>>226757
>progressive
Anon, this is another weasel word… WTF does that mean to you?!?!

I would love to talk to you man to man but can you first write a sincere sentence about this stuff.
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 No.226764

>>226758
Ok, then I guess all the muslims I know are fake or something, whatever dude.
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 No.226765

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 No.226769

>>226764
Are we talking male Muslims or female Muslims?

There is a big difference.
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 No.226770

>>226761
>what does progressive mean?
You're being disingenuous

>>226764
Seems like it. If you believe the Quran is the literal word of God then why would you disobey it? Do you want to go to hell for eternity?
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 No.226771

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 No.226776

>>226770
>You're being disingenuous
<keeps using weasel words that can mean multiple things or exactly what ever the user wants it to include or not include.
Why cannot you just talk straight dude?
>>226770
Most people understanding isn't from the quran literally but culturally, if that make sense.
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 No.226778

>>226770
>It's not about using Islam as an excuse, it's about submitting to Allah and following his teachings.
You realize that each person can interpret faith and respect Allah in their own way, right? Of course, /pol/yps don't realize that because they're a bunch of NPCs, lmao.
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 No.226780

>>226776
>Most people understanding isn't from the quran literally but culturally, if that make sense.
I don't understand. Please elaborate
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 No.226781

>>226754
>And then the chinlets go full cope seethe, when the board's mods become more authoritarian.
/pol/acks are totalitarians so this clearly isn't the issue. The problem here is that you are a deranged cucklord who can't tolerate authentic opposition in thread for debunking /pol/. The only one s*ething is you, tr*nny.
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 No.226782

>>226778
No, that's not how Islam operates. For them to have a stance on something (like abortion) there needs to be a consensus among Muslim scholars.
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 No.226783

>>226781
Nice try /pol/.
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 No.226785

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>>226781
>/pol/acks are totalitarians so this clearly isn't the issue. The problem here is that you are a deranged cucklord who can't tolerate authentic opposition in thread for debunking /pol/. The only one s*ething is you, tr*nny.
soy
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 No.226786

>>226702
>Feelings and intution stems from evolutionary pressures shaping us into functional organisms and it is perfectly rational to trust them.
This is nonsensical, and an actual fallacy. Nowhere in between any of these concepts does a justification exist for the other. "Intuition" being shaped by evolutionary pressures does not make such a thing rational, a functional organism does not mean a "rational" organism, and evolutionary pressure cannot be used to to explain away all learned experience.
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 No.226787

>>226782
Well, like I said, guess they're not Muslims then or whatever.
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 No.226788

>>226787
I guess not. And their children probably won't be either.
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 No.226789

>>226778
>You realize that each person can interpret faith and respect Allah in their own way, right?

To some extent, but it's a small extent. The Quran is quite prescriptive.
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 No.226790

>>226760
>Get spammed not even a few hours ago
>Bunch of /pol/yps remain after
<But it wasn't a raid guys, were cool now!!!
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 No.226793

>>226788
Alright, guess we've finally come to a place of agreement. Since we've agreed on this and your "Race and IQ" bullshit was thoroughly debunked, are you going to switch to a new completely random topic to debate in bad-faith about.
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 No.226794

>>226785
Leftists are disproportionally depressed and androgynous. You got a sensible chuckle out of me for that.
>>226786
You are confusing 'rationality' with 'practicality'. Both things are important and have their place which is why the 'feelz > reelz' argument is garbage.
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 No.226795

>>226790
We're literally in a thread about /pol/
If there was a raid, trust me, your catalog would look quite different
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 No.226796

>>219664
Even if race is real doesnt mean we must abandon the goal of communusm
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 No.226797

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 No.226798

>>226789
Exactly and they believe it is the WORD OF GOD. They also follow the Hadiths which were given by muhammad. They are all told to be more like muhammad.
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 No.226799

>>226793
Debunked by fucking whom? Shaun and Jen? Yeah right.
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 No.226802

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>>226788
ok so problem solved
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 No.226805

>>226799
No, by US, the people IN THIS FUCKING THREAD. You fucking dumbass.
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 No.226806

>>226778
>>226778
>You realize that each person can interpret faith and respect Allah in their own way, right?

I respect Allah by eating pork, drinking beer and drawing pictures of his prophet.

Yet the other Muslims are calling me an infidel.
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 No.226807

>>226793
>thoroughly debunked
>Australian selective schools are filled with asians
Let me guess, even though they are minorities being discriminated against it must be because of their inter-generational wealth they stole from Africans right?
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 No.226810

>>226805
Literally never happened. I dare you to cite a single post that debunks anything and wasn't itself properly addressed.
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 No.226813

>>226802
Yes western secularism might solve islam but that doesn't mean they need to integrate the Muslim faith.
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 No.226816

>>226806
Holy shit faggot, stop trying to "debate," I literally came to agreement with you you fucking faggot, see >>226793, stop trying to start internet conflicts and go outside.
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 No.226820

>>226816
>i literally came to agreement with you
You came to an agreement with me
This person >>226806 is somebody else
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 No.226822

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>>226813
No of course it also needs to shed away any religious institutions that are not some anglican chapel led by a lesbian pastor to keep consistent with it's enlightenment ideas
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 No.226824

I think the idea that there might be more than one /pol/ack on this thread is still confusing our leftypol comrades.
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 No.226826

>>226749
To add to the point on evopsych because /pol/fags continue to be enamored by it, there are literal published "scientific" evopysch papers which argue the cuckolding to be perfectly "rational" evolutionary behavior for humans, and go so far as to use bird nests and the shape of the penis to justify it. This is the field you apparently adore as "scientific" and objective.
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 No.226833

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>>226794
>Leftists are disproportionally depressed and androgynous. You got a sensible chuckle out of me for that.
soy
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 No.226839

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>>226794
>You got a sensible chuckle out of me for that.
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 No.226841

>>226794
>You are confusing 'rationality' with 'practicality'. Both things are important and have their place which is why the 'feelz > reelz' argument is garbage.
No you idiot, you can't argue that because something is an evolutionary behavior that it is immediately rationale. A creature can "rationalize", but that doesn't mean that whatever it rationalizes is rationale.
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 No.226848

>>226822
Of course that's what Anglicans believe since they think that that's the only way to save people and Islam is wrong
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 No.226852

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>>226848
i'm not gonna pretend that i understood this
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 No.226858

>>226852
Anglicans don't want any other religious institutions except the anglican church because they think that anglicanism is the truth and because Jesus told them to spread christianity
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 No.226865

>>226826
How about you judge individual papers and ideas on their own merits instead of throwing out an entire field because of some random retards. Whatever standard you apply to evopsych applies double to sociologyfags.
>>226841
>you can't argue that because something is an evolutionary behavior that it is immediately rationale
You don't understand what i meant. Evolutionary behavior isn't 'rational' because 'rationality' isn't selected for insomuch as it overlaps with practicality and the general purpose of reproduction.
>>226858
Ever since haz mentioned anglos every second retard on this fucking board suddenly became an expert on the topic. What a joke.
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 No.226870

>>226852
Explain this: >>226807
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 No.226890

>>226519
İ'm late now and thanks :)
Firstly;alt-hype:https://www.bitchute.com/video/0Z5CHFUvn1U/. His YT is deleted i guess
Privatization video:https://youtu.be/kjJNWj0QhAg. He doesn't know well
Kraut's video is seems deleted.But it was response to Shaun's response to Kraut where he literally doesn't read those informations or changes the narrative(like "they just burned entire apartment,it's nothing") or openly lies to audience
There are some Kraut's mirror videos but i didn't find it.
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 No.226902

>>226890
Kraut also debunked Alt-Hype too,it's not deleted
There is a reason why rightoids hate him
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 No.226952

Go to bed: 178 posts
Wake up: 588
Did the /pol/tards come to town?
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 No.226966

>>226865
>How about you judge individual papers and ideas on their own merits instead of throwing out an entire field because of some random retards. Whatever standard you apply to evopsych applies double to sociologyfags
The difference is that are generally studying observable phenomena and then studying the relations between that phenomena, with varying degrees of accuracy. Evopsych fags though will attempt to explain literally any human behavioral phenomena as serving an evolutionary adaptive "function" with just-so stories about how it must have come to be. Some fag got his dick hard from watersports? "Well you see, that actually comes from an evolutionary behavior that originated from humans in the past in which the smell of urine on people provided an adaptive benefit which is no longer needed, but which remains sexually stimulating to some of us. Ah, how it must have been!".
>You don't understand what i meant. Evolutionary behavior isn't 'rational' because 'rationality' isn't selected for insomuch as it overlaps with practicality and the general purpose of reproduction.
This isn't an argument for you initial point, as it makes a lot of assumtions on the "practical" utility of evolutionary behavior past the point of previous selective pressures.
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 No.226973

>>226966
*The difference is that sociologyfags are generally studying observable phenomena and then studying the relations between that phenomena,
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 No.227007

>>226952
Two /pol/tards were here, one of which got BTFO'd on genetics and crime rates. I haven't seen a single /pol/tard offer an explanation of low African crime rates in my life.
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 No.227011

>>227007
Yeah, I noticed how they didn't respond to murder rates among West Africans being lower than among African Americans in the US.
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 No.227016

>>227011
There are weekly terror attacks in Nigeria. You really think their homocide rate is lower?
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 No.227017

>>227011
Yes and when I pointed out the source was the UN and war torn areas like the DRC and CAR recorded very high homicide rates, so the stats very probably reliable no one answered.
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 No.227021

>>227016
Nigerias is 9 high, but not abysmal. Terror attacks do not take a high toll per capita, also do you have proofs for that assertion?
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 No.227026

>>227021
>Nigeria recorded 662 terrorist attacks in 2014, with 7,512 people killed, 2,246 injured and 1,512 properties destroyed.

7000 killed, not much change in a country with more than 200 million people.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/193626-nigeria-now-third
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 No.227032

>>227026
If a /pol/ack’s argument is that black people are more murderous due to their nature, then the claim has a big fucking hole in it when African Americans have a murder rate of 20 and West African countries have one of around 1 or 2. Go ahead and focus on Nigeria, it doesn‘t invalidate the fact the other countries blow a hole in that assertion.
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 No.227035

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>>227026
Also most Asians who have come here as refugees have not done very well, this is to counter the rightoid Asians worked hard but blacks didn't. Most Asians rich Asians in the USA are from the rich class at home.
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 No.227037

>>227032
Those countries are shitholes without running water. You really think their national crime statistics are close to accurate?
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 No.227039

>>227037
Bruh I already covered that argument
>>227017
Also Ghana which is much more developed has a murder rate of 3.
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 No.227045

>>227039
Actually Ghana's homicide rate is even less at 2.09

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GHA/ghana/murder-homicide-rate
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 No.227053

>>227039
Ghana has 2.1. The highest they have had in the last 20 years was 2.2.
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 No.227056

>>227035
How do you know that?
Seems like the graph shows east asians doing better than south east asians.
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 No.227058

>>227037
>blacks don't even have water, you expect them to keep accurate statistics?!
Ah, we are here. This is where you call us all uyghurs, maybe spam some CP and gore, yes?
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 No.227061

>>227058
Not an argument
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 No.227074

>>227056
Look at
>Hmong
>Cambodians
>Laotians
>Burmese
>Thai

All do much worse than Chinese and Indians who are filtered.

>>227061
I gave you a competent black country with a nordic crime rate of 2, also the DRC and CAR who can't get water to their citizens have an accurate(Very high) homicide rate because these are recorded by the UN.
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 No.227075

>>227061
my no friends friend, these is nothing to argue with here.
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 No.227077

>>227074
Yeah and they are all south east asian. That's what I'm saying.
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 No.227085

>>227077
What difference does it make?
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 No.227092

>>227074
Competent? Their largest economic sector is agriculture and they rely on foreign aid.
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 No.227094

>>227092
>they rely on foreign aid
…and?
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 No.227097

>>227085
It shows a racial/ethnic difference in performance. It's wrong to lump east asians with south east asians.
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 No.227105

>>227094
If they didn't even receive foreign aid and charity from europeans every year they'd be far worse off.
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 No.227110

>>227097
But that's simply because only SE Asians have fled recent conflict most E asians have come via controlled immigration.
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 No.227111

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>>227105
So lemme get this straight…

Poverty makes people violent?
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 No.227113

>>227092
What rubbish
>The economy of Ghana has a diverse and rich resource base, including the manufacturing and exportation of digital technology goods, automotive and ship construction and exportation, and the exportation of diverse and rich resources such as hydrocarbons and industrial minerals. These have given Ghana one of the highest GDP per capita in West Africa.[16][17] Owing to a GDP rebasement, in 2011 Ghana became the fastest-growing economy in the world.[18]
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 No.227117

>>227111
It doesn't explain the different rates of violence between different ethnicities. And in regard to Ghana I'm saying that they aren't competent.
>>227113
44% of Ghana is employed in agriculture
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 No.227124

>>227117
Ok, and?
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 No.227130

>>227117
>44% of Ghana is employed in agriculture
Yes but its clearly changing rapidly, I'm pretty sure the Ghanian government is quite competent. Besides you keep on sidestepping the homicide rates.
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 No.227133

>>227124
You are trying to make them sound advanced

>>227130
All developing countries are growing quickly. Kinda what happens when the fertility rate is 4 and a merre foreign factory doubles your tiny GDP.
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 No.227136

>>227133
Advanced? Because of no massive violent crime rate?

Who gives a shit of they’re “advanced” or whatever? And could that also be because of historical conditions?
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 No.227139

>>227133
>Mfw when developing productive forces and producing a lot of your future labor force increases the rate of development
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 No.227155

>>227133
Ghana is literally the fastest growing economy in the world you faggot. Either way I have to go to sleep, and unless a race-realist explain s why, if Africans are genetically criminal African crime rates are so low, without questioning the data. Which is fucking collected by the UN. Race-realism in that field is rubbish.
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 No.227173

>>227155
>>227139
They are developing quickly because they are poor. Most developing nations have very high rates of growth because of their small GDPs, international trade and high birth rates.
You keep trying to characterise them as competent when they literally rely on billions of European funds and resources to function.
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 No.227194

>>227173
> when they literally rely on billions of European funds and resources to function.
I already posted 4 or 5 sources explaining how the West is extracting more money out of Africa than they are putting into Africa. The idea that African countries get tons of money for free is a falsehood.
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 No.227272

>>227194
Any wealth that they are extracting is inaccessible to africans. It's the reason that China has to build their infrastructure, asks for payment and receives ports, infrastructure revenue or IOUs in exchange.
They cannot function as they are now without aid.
>The idea that African countries get tons of money for free is a falsehood.
No it's not. Foreign aid and charity is real.
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 No.227327

>>227173
>You keep trying to characterise them as competent when they literally rely on billions of European funds and resources to function.
We're talking about economic growth, so this is literally how most countries who trade on the international market function. If Turkey lost the ability to sell to western markets for example, it would lose its capacity to function as it currently does because a lot of it's exports are sold to the west.
>>227272
>Any wealth that they are extracting is inaccessible to africans. It's the reason that China has to build their infrastructure, asks for payment and receives ports, infrastructure revenue or IOUs in exchange.
That makes no sense. If what they are extracting is inaccessible, it wouldn't be being extracted from the country at all. The productive forces for extracting the resources are already built there, and have been there for decades. Foreign investment is also not the same a foreign aid.
>They cannot function as they are now without aid
Monestary aid is literally what keeps many African countries locked in debt with little domestic industry to show for it. I hate to bring it back up, but because you keep ignoring it I might as well say it again: Burkina Faso literally developed infrastructure without western aid.
>No it's not. Foreign aid and charity is real.
Do they ever tell you the "aid" isn't free, and how it effectively functions as an IMF debt chain?
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 No.227336

>>227272
Oh. Didn‘t know that Western companies operating in Africa not paying their taxes is „money inaccessible to Africans“. These African countries lose billions because of that. The West can call it foreign aid and imbeciles like you will fall for it. It is a charade while a larger system around it extracts far more money beyond that.
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 No.227361

>>227327
Turkey is exporting something they produce. Not the same thing as receiving aid or letting a foreign nation build infrastructure there.
>If what they are extracting is inaccessible, it wouldn't be being extracted from the country at all.
No, I said it's inaccessible to Africans because they can't extract it themselves.
>burkina faso
Is a shithole with most workers being goat herders and farmers. Next.

>>227336
You can't lose money that you were never making and could never make
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 No.227503

>>227361
>Turkey is exporting something they produce. Not the same thing as receiving aid or letting a foreign nation build infrastructure there.
Again, the west's "aid" is just loans with high interest rates tacked on, and it isn't assisting in building infrastructure that can actually be used.
>No, I said it's inaccessible to Africans because they can't extract it themselves.
Says who? Much of the mining infrastructure in Africa for example was built decades ago. And if it was actual "aid", they wouldn't be providing monetary loans, they would just provide equipment and the like.
>Is a shithole with most workers being goat herders and farmers. Next
After what occured anon? C'mon, you know the answer. Also, Burkina Faso's main export is gold. And having farms as part of you economy doesn't make it automatically a shit hole in term of development, especially if that's what your geography call for.
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 No.227519

File: 1620333869465.png (1 MB, 784x900, B5B077FE-7BE8-4CFA-9A2B-0A….png)

<And so the battle lasted 2 days, but the comrades fought and justice prevailed. Hordes of unwashed, sweaty /pol/acks stormed the bunker, but our brave women and men mowed down the lackeys of Capital unwaveringly. Our enemies came armed with false data, misinterpretations and crude heuristics - our comrades wielded truth and reason. For every Alt-Right blogpost they listed as a source, our comrades responded with the iron hammer that is scientific fact. The fashoid hordes jolted in horror as the light of truth made their ugly faces visible to the world, and they ran to every dark hole and corner to find safety in. They stumble in the dark, their heads twisted and torn by idealism and metaphysics. Our women and men look down with pity, endowed to see the truth of the world through the lens of material dialectics. This battle was won, but the fashoid roaches made the bunker their home for the time being.
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 No.227524

>>225784
the article you linked does not attack the predictive power or validity of the IQ metric in any way. did you just google something and hope that it backed up your assertions?

educational attainment, job performance and income are not "nebulous", they're really important and two of them are extremely easily measured

>>225684
IQ is affected by environment more than the underlying factor (intelligence) with which it is correlated and which we care about. the data suggests that if you were to raise those Khoisan in America under American parents their IQ would probably be much higher than 65.

>>226027
I've actually seen this entire (meandering, unfocused, typically Shaun-esque) video in the past. He spends most of it shitting on Lynn's datasets and insulting Murray. Which is, y'know, fair enough as far as that goes. But at no point does he "debunk IQ". Do you even have an idea of what it would mean to "debunk IQ"? What exactly would you be debunking – the idea that some people are generally smarter than others? Or the idea that a test can give you a pretty good idea of how smart someone is? Or do you imagine that such a test really could exist, but that the commonly used IQ tests are not such tests?
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 No.227607

Ghana, a country that still FUCKING BURN WITCHES ALIVES, has an official murder rate of 1.8.

What are we going to do /pol/ bros? We are totally debunked here… Should we take our L and move on?
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 No.227632

>>227607
>>227626
out of curiosity is there any data on the murder rate for white Ghanaians
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 No.227654

>>227607
Looking at the number of worldwide witch executions (which surprisingly has a record page), this is actually still a pretty rare occurrence, with Saudi Arabia having more excutions of alleged witches, of which are state sanctioned. Still, the argument intially was about murder rate, which falls flat when making comparisons.
>>227626
>It's a country in which journalists regularly get shot to dead… but they have an official murder rate of less than 2.
This seems to be more a corruption issue rather then a situation of journalists randomly being killed on the streets.
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 No.227756

>>227607
>a country that still FUCKING BURN WITCHES ALIVE
Damn, Africa is starting to sound pretty based.
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 No.228340

>>226085
It's almost as if hard science and political economy are not as related as soft social science and political economy

God damn, you poltards are so stupid lol
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 No.228360

>>226806

>it is the best general predictor for life outcomes that exists.

No it isn't lol
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 No.228361

>>226806

>it is the best general predictor for life outcomes that exists.

No it isn't lol
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 No.228376

>>226175
>Being an amerifat
Lol

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