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My question is, what do we mean when we say intellectuals? On this site it is often used disparagingly, in marxist literature I noticed the usage is varies, ranging from insult to description of specific professions to social function, or more colloquially educated people, formally or not. So who are the intellectuals? And also, how do they relate to communist movement, what is their role in it (or against it)?

It's anti-intellectual babble. Intellectualizing is an action that everyone already does even if they don't register it as such, not a role. Some pseuds online call themselves intellectuals but that's just them being contrarianism for social media content.

>>2217999
Can you read and write and perform basic arithmetic? Can you speak clearly and concisely in your language? Congrats, you register as an intellectual

you can tell these retards >>2218002 >>2218259 are intellectualoid college students because they are obfuscating a question thats pretty easy to answer. intelligentsia as used by people like marx or engels just refers to philosophers and garbage like that

>>2218290
Intellegencia and intellectuals aren't synonyms, debate addict. Marx wasn't doing le hecking wholesome anti-intellectualism, he didn't even moralize the intellegencia either.

>>2218290
"Philosophers and garbage like that" does not make the issue any clearer.

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>>2217999
>what do we mean when we say intellectuals
we mean the shit for brains ideolouges of the ruling classes

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>All men are intellectuals, one could therefore say: but not all men have in society the function of intellectuals.

>When one distinguishes between intellectuals and non-intellectuals, one is referring in reality only to the immediate social function of the professional category of the intellectuals, that is, one has in mind the direction in which their specific professional activity is weighted, whether towards intellectual elaboration or towards muscular-nervous effort. This means that, although one can speak of intellectuals, one cannot speak of non-intellectuals, because non-intellectuals do not exist. But even the relationship between efforts of intellectual-cerebral elaboration and muscular-nervous effort is not always the same, so that there are varying degrees of specific intellectual activity. There is no human activity from which every form of intellectual participation can be excluded: homo faber cannot be separated from homo sapiens.[7] Each man, finally, outside his professional activity, carries on some form of intellectual activity, that is, he is a “philosopher”, an artist, a man of taste, he participates in a particular conception of the world, has a conscious line of moral conduct, and therefore contributes to sustain a conception of the world or to modify it, that is, to bring into being new modes of thought.


>The problem of creating a new stratum of intellectuals consists therefore in the critical elaboration of the intellectual activity that exists in everyone at a certain degree of development, modifying its relationship with the muscular-nervous effort towards a new equilibrium, and ensuring that the muscular-nervous effort itself; in so far as it is an element of a general practical activity, which is perpetually innovating the physical and social world, becomes the foundation of a new and integral conception of the world. The traditional and vulgarised type of the intellectual is given by the man of letters, the philosopher, the artist. Therefore journalists, who claim to be men of letters, philosophers, artists, also regard themselves as the “true” intellectuals. In the modern world, technical education, closely bound to industrial labour even at the most primitive and unqualified level, must form the basis of the new type of intellectual.

>>2217999
For Gramsci, anyone could be an intellectual and it was used in a positive way to show how the potential to think creatively was in everyone.

Gramsci also used the phrase organic intellectuals to describe people who represent their class. It's not necessarily about what you know but the power you have to organise and represent your class authentically

The intellect is about abstraction, i.e not physical labor in the real world done by the working class. Abstraction is how we got to this late capitalist Elon Musk degeneracy where "everything is computer" and people are 2x more likely to die in a Tesla car because its built for soulless iPad babies to mindlessly swish their finger around on a touchscreen while driving.
In fact, physical buttons themselves are abstraction that was once upsetting to human beings that refused to allow their power to be subsumed by some blackbox machine that "does their work for them"
https://daily.jstor.org/when-the-push-button-was-new-people-were-freaked/

Programmers today are continuing the historical trend of building computers explicitly for bourgeois management of plantation slave laborer dynamics.
https://logicmag.io/supa-dupa-skies/origin-stories-plantations-computers-and-industrial-control/
<article connecting Charles Babbage & his 19th c. blueprints for digital computation to industrial labor control & the creation of a regime of denigrated, disciplined "free" labor.

People still don't understand that Marx was basically a troll that got along with practically nobody, so they listen to some figurative language in something like the 18th Brumaire, where he lumped intellectuals with homeless muggers and then dipshits 150 years later take this as a fact even though Marx was an intellectual. It's the same tards that think Marx rejected all philosophy when his work is heavily informed through philosophers like Adam Smith.

This stupidity has given birth to an ideological, neo pol potism that people wrapped up in fringe, Marxist communities blind themselves with. In their mindless, conformist behavior to one-up each other to suck up to the authoritarian ideology controlling their mind it gets more and more ridiculous, where they go from mocking students for doing protests towards celebrating when they get arrested, expelled or worse. From an uninformed eye, they look no different from a conservative.

Another reason for the hatred is that the "intellectuals" do critique. This threatens the idealogues and that's why I call it Pol Pot because when he killed all the intellectuals so they couldn't say he was wrong, reddit admins do the same shit. Even though they're part of this "intellectual" qualifier, they nip any objection in the bud by preemptively casting them all off as non-persons. It's right in line with what fascists do, even if they paint themselves red or whatever. I have no sympathy for it but luckily all these communities are irrelevant. Most of what they say applies to them more than any student or professor.

>>2217999
I'd say you become an intellectual when your ideas have more influence than your economic activity. Your interests are then aligned with others who can help you propagate your ideas, rather than with labour or capital. Your ideas themselves might support either labour or capital, but your class interests are aligned with neither.

>>2218784
>https://logicmag.io/supa-dupa-skies/origin-stories-plantations-computers-and-industrial-control/
>computers are le racist
dumb article, waste of time reading lib drivel

>>2218784
>Programmers today are continuing the historical trend of building computers explicitly for bourgeois management of plantation slave laborer dynamics.
>https://logicmag.io/supa-dupa-skies/origin-stories-plantations-computers-and-industrial-control/

About Babbage's designs for computing machines:
<Their architectures directly encoded economist Adam Smith’s theories of labor division and borrowed core functionality from technologies of labor control already in use. The engines were themselves tools for labor control, automating and disciplining not manual but mental labor.[3]
<[3]Of course, this division itself is fraught and often applied more to connote the status of labor than the capacities required to perform it.
A structure that the author asserts to be mostly bullshit is somehow followed by the architecture designs of computing engines of Babbage. Wouldn't you expect these designs to be wonky crap, then? And in what ways do these designs follow, the author never explains. Perhaps what the author meant by architecture is more than the physicality but includes how Babbage himself intended to use those calculating devices. But even that doesn't quite work because calculating devices have very wide applicability, and Babbage also thought about using them in various contexts.

So what can we preserve from the argument is this: When the author says a thing has a bad structure, a bad architecture, the meaning is that a person with bad intent can use that thing in bad ways, which is trivially true for most things with broad applicability. For example, a screwdriver has an embedded architecture of racism if a racist can use this to stab somebody for racist reasons…

<In legislation and labor policy, the concept of freedom is largely rooted in the contract: the textually stipulated (in)ability for people to come and go, to agree to terms and walk away from them, backed by law and ultimately state violence.[4]

<[4]Thank you to Veena Dubal for this insight and framing.
I am of course in full agreement with this bit, as is any Marxist or Anarchist. I just find it hilarious that this statement gets a source, as if this could not have been known to the author otherwise.

<Industrial methods of worker control were prefigured on plantations, which sought to maximize the labor of enslaved Black people otherwise unmotivated to produce value for those who kept them captive.

Assertion without much elaboration. The first footnote with a source that follows is about the differences between plantation slavery and industrial work. Then some more footnotes with sources come. (Clicking stuff gives me paywall, 404, paywall or javascript fuckery I don't know, and buy a book.) These may include strong points somewhere, but if so, the author doesn't really bring them to the reader. The author concludes:
<This refusal to engage with the industrial factory’s relationship to the plantation, in turn, produces a view of work and the history of industrialization that is delinked from practices of racial domination.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the sources are right about everything, is the author's conclusion justified? The claim:
1. It is not well known that the capitalists in the west took inspiration from slavery, big time, when devising means to terrorize white workers.
2. Therefore (?) we conclude scholars have not emphasized enough the particular horrors of racial domination.
Capitalists treat people like shit regardless of race, the author's response is: How do we make it about race.

The author claims "Babbage contributed considerably" to technological development. But this is not so clear actually. Neither his Difference Engine nor Analytical Engine were finished (as the author also notes). He inspired some of the people who built working machines, but I think that would have happened anyway and around the same time.

<There are clear parallels between Babbage’s data desires and the data and metrics that plantation owners, managers, and overseers shaped plantation labor practices to collect. Both advise creating records on the number of workers needed to complete a task and tracking their speed, individual outputs per day and per task, the tools and implements required to complete work, and the capacities required to accomplish a given effort.

Argument by endless repetition. Somehow the factory is infused with spooky slave-plantation stuff, because the author says so, over and over. But what would have been different in the factories without the supposed imports of slaver's notions the author never tells us.

<Babbage also proposed mechanisms of worker valuation. In what labor scholar Harry Braverman termed the “Babbage principle,” Babbage detailed how dividing a complex task into simpler component parts, and designating these simpler parts “low skilled,” could justify paying the people who perform each part less.

Justification would be a form of rhetoric. But Babbage is not giving advice in rhetoric with his principle. Here is the most simple model for the Babbage principle: There are two tasks, one that everyone can do and one that only trained specialists can do. Whether the training is financed by the specific employer, by the trainees, by the public at large, or any mixture, the training is a cost to society. If we want to keep the training costs to a minimum it follows that we should not employ the specialists outside their specialty, because otherwise we would have to train a higher number. Of course we might have other goals in tension with this, like reducing the psychic damage from one-sided work that Adam Smith already criticized (the author claims Smith "appreciated" deskilling lol), but the Babbage principle is not specific to capitalism.

Then the author mentions Babbage's stance against slavery. But this isn't repeated on and on like the plantation-in-your-computer woo and the author correctly guessed that almost nobody will read this shit until this point, so the author's "argument" wins in the vibe-ocracy. (By the way, I have my doubts you read the essay to the end, and I will be certain of it if you don't reply to this specific paragraph.)

Again and again, the author puts "skilled" in sarcastic quotation marks, as if this proved it an entirely arbitrary concept. Where I work the "skilled" can do the things the "unskilled" cannot do and not vice-versa.

<Babbage’s impulse not only to surveil, as we’ve already seen, but to automate surveillance is evident elsewhere. Among his many mechanical contributions is an early time clock, the “tell-tale,” which worked to record a worker’s presence or absence and “informed the owner whether the man has missed any.”

A sensible invention and things like this will also exist under communism.

<As we see with Babbage’s engines, this landscape presumes the presence of plantation technologies of labor division, surveillance, and control “from above”: Babbage’s engines “work” only within these contexts.

This is just as true of Babbage's engines as of your pocket calculator. In other words: Not true at all.

I would think that a shitpost if it weren't so long. The author may be an intellectual, but surely is not intelligent. Very poorly argued piece, though I understand how it might look otherwise to a less intelligent person who is just skimming it, so you have my empathy.

This is what the Soviets thought about it in the 1970's, they didn't seem to differentiate between "intelligentsia" and "intellectuals".

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>>2217999
To anyone with some general culture in the left, the role of the intellectual should be clear as water, as it has been thoroughly explained and criticized by Chomsky: a real intellectual is a dissident, and serves the people. The rest of intellectuals serve power, that is, justify the actions of the State.

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>>2217999
Intellectuals are able to think about and discuss issues from different perspectives, even thinking about the thinking process itself while doing so.
People who go to forums and just stubbornly repeat stupid, incorrect nonsense are not intellectuals. At least here I think that's what we use the word for, to distance ourselves from mouthbreathing retards unable to have intelligent conversations.

>intellectuals muddling the definition of intellectual
Like pottery.

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>>2218002
>being contrarianism

It's just perfect when this happens in a post where you think you're superior to "pseuds".

>>2230041
Speak for yourself, not everyone wants to be associated with your types.

>But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm

>>2223915
interesting read anon the digs at the cultural revolution are funny way to tell when it was written.

People who went to college and now make video essays while living in nice LA lofts

>>2230053
Condesending liberals with consulting jobs from Brooklyn.

>>2218784
Please respond to this: >>2223875

>>2217999
Basically, the problem is that the academy is not unionized. We need labor unions so that the academy is more democratic and reflects more collectivist and proletarian viewpoints.

>>2223875
>>2223479
This article is amazingly retarded. I have no idea what the author's point is. It is like a wild fever dream. He is clueless about everything he touches upon in this article.

Most academic marxoids are worthless to the worker's movement they just serve Capital as petty bourg distorters.

Academics and bureaucrats, when referring to a distinct social group
These are a subsection of the bourgeoisie thanks to requiring a stable financial situation (usually provided by well-off parents) in order to enter their ranks

an intellectual is someone who is too lazy to work out the answers

My observation is that innovation comes from boredom. The most bored a society is the more willing they are to take risk and the more willing they are to think outside the box.
Ive been a neet for quiet a while and i have nothing but worthless ideas.
Why do academics fail to bridge the gap?
They want to play it safe. cybernetics is too risky.
Academics talk about the working class having a restricted mindset but what about the academics? Are they willing to go the extra mile?
Paul cockshott made an attempt but its just him what about the rest? where is the collaboration?

>>2235647
>being a teacher makes you bourgeois

>>2235652
look at richard wolf. Its simple he says. Just workplace democracy. Is it really that simple? has he read about the paris commune? is the paris commune still relevant?


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