Am in the only one who finds the dude weed stoner trend of the late 90s early 2000s movies kind of suspicious. I mean for one weed doesn't even induce the effects portrayed by these movies. It's a mild hallucinogenic, not a downer like opium that relaxes your nerves. On the contrary it intensifies your emotions and even causes panic attacks and psychosis for some. And secondly why did it spawn an entire cultural movement surrounding this plant. Why does the system want us to smoke weed so badly? One might think it is antiethical to capitalism since it causes you to be lazy. And what is funny is it still considerrd a mild drug despite the fact that the potency of weed has increased by 300% since the 70s. Is the 420 movement a mechanism to get socialist types and outcasts to get hooked on drugs and avoid coming to terms with their decaying social conditions?
>>2220170I smoked weed it only made my intrusive thoughts way worse.
Also drugs don't cause ego death and that's assuming ego death is even a good state of mind. The ego is necessary for survival
>>2220178We live in a society where our government surveils everybody, enemies of the state are black bagged, and militants in the third world are attacked with drones while sleeping. Could it be that we simply live in a society that induces paranoia regardless of substance use?
>>2220179Do you drink alcohol? Is occasionally smoking weed worse than that? Is a person who occasionally smokes weed the same thing as someone who uses a physically addictive and highly lethal substance like heroin or fentanyl? I think you lack nuance and just repeat thought terminating cliches in order to uphold your confident sense of superiority. Notice how you didn't even address my question but just repeated an assertion. You seem to be a person lacking sympathy for others which strikes me as a chief characteristic of reactionaries in general.
>>2220164It is a psyop, weed varies from person to person, simple as.
> Is the 420 movement a mechanism to get socialist types and outcasts to get hooked on drugs and avoid coming to terms with their decaying social conditions?The CIA and other agencies did experiments with drugs to try to instrumentalise them. The question is why aren't we doing it too? Why aren't we looking into the potentiality of drugs? It's like every WOD vermin like this
>>2220167 only acts as a deterrent from farther inquiry / study into the potential.
>>2220208I personally don't care. I don't really mind physical pain
The broken bones I've had training mma and judo are nothing compared to the paranoid states that were induced by weed . I'd take an arm fracture over that any time
>>2220219>Ok bro good that this shit worked for you. But everyone I know who smoked weed developed paranoia. Farther study is required than anecdotes or papers of NGOs, propagandists of the WOD.
>The fact is the media portrays weed as a fun downer Who's media exactly? Pop-media? Community media? The same media which stigmatizes use? The same media ran by investors who wish to turn it into a commodity for profit?
>when it is a potent hallucinogenicVariable, since the THC content variable.
>>2220224It's honestly pathetic how you stoner faggots deify your shitty plant. Not even alcoholics or smokers will argue with you about how great alcohol is.
The relation between psychosis and THC is incredibly well documented
>>2220226>Not even alcoholics or smokers will argue with you about how great alcohol is. already happened in this thread
"bro alcohol is le necessary for civilization if you smoke weed once you're a loser and an addict and a deadweight"
>>2220223You did stigmatize the broad "drugs"
>>2220173 the effect on which you aren't even certain of in which your critique was that
>ego is necessarywhen I followed up with that it is variable from person to person, since your own chemistry is different.
>if you weren't bakedI'm sober.
>I was literally asking why is the 420 movement so astroturfedBecause we live under the capitalist mode of production. Drugs aren't made for their use-value, they are made as commodities to be sold for a profit, the image and branding is a part of the liberal movement trying to monetize it for a profit.
>>2220164>I mean for one weed doesn't even induce the effects portrayed by these movies. It's a mild hallucinogenic, not a downer like opium that relaxes your nerves. On the contrary it intensifies your emotions and even causes panic attacks and psychosis for some. I don't think this is accurate. THC and other CB1 agonists have been identified as having "bi-phasic" effects, meaning that lower doses reduce anxiety (and stress reactivity), and higher doses increase it.
The endocannabinoid system is incredibly complicated, more so than even other neurotransmitters, and unfortunately for a long time there was almost no research on it, leaving the information vacuum to be filled by grifters and drug folklore.
>And what is funny is it still considerrd a mild drug despite the fact that the potency of weed has increased by 300% since the 70s. I'd agree with you here.
>>2220226>deify a shitty plantWhen you're demonizing broad groups of people into "stoners", "druggies" its easy to say that they are "deifying" it, since you wish punitive measures for them - they must be hardcore devotees instead of casual users for your punishment or its proposals to seem justified.
>Not even alcoholics or smokers will argue with you about how great alcohol is.Does it change the reality that they use it? If one finds greatness in a substance it would be good to note what is great about it.
>The relation between psychosis and THC is incredibly well documentedBy the same NGOs which wish to make a profit from it? The same ones which want to penalize users and deter others from farther study and inquiry? Not credible.
>>2220251>It's a verifiable and reproducible fact regardless of who is conducting the studyIn what conditions? What sort of THC level? What kind of individual? In what health?
All of the research you can provide is parroted by the same NGOs and institutions that act to dissuade people from farther inquiry.
>>2220252>You're the one who mentioned itWhere?
>>2220253You never bothered to read much did you?
>>2220257Here.
>>2220170Also what are you blathering about you retarded faggot
What NGOs and institutions? Your train of thought is completely incoherent. You should probably set aside your bong before attempting to debate here
>>2220260>What NGOs and institutions? Your train of thought is completely incoherent.And you're replying to that post with the questions you were asking me.
You're writing that I'm incoherent but you reply to a different post thinking I made it. Are you dense?
What NGOs? What institutions? Look at the thread where all of them are being documented
>>2144941 WE'RE RAPING YOUR THREAD WE'RE RAPING YOUR THREAD WODIGGERS BORING WODIGGA SOBERITES>>2220378
RAPING YOUR THREAAAAAAAD
>>2220378 LYING CROOKS AND GLOWIES WILL NEVER WIN THE WOD, THE NARCOMAN WILL WIN THE WOD
ANTISCIENCE REACTIONARY UNTERMENSCHEN, LUDDIC REACTIONARY "SOCIALISTS" WILL BE EXTERMINATED BY THE REAL MOVEMENT, THE REAL FUCKING MOVEMENT
>>2220612Does it a lot less than most things.
I would rather not drive on it, but I would rather drive on it than on Alcohol, Opiods, SSRIs etc
Good 👍 pain relief
Pretty much part of every culture that encountered its pharmocopia
>>2220245>Ego death isn't even a scientifically provable phenomenon. It's just retarded mystical wooThe existence of your consciousness isn't a scientifically proven phenomenon, you may be a philosophical zombie.
Ego death is where your ego dies, it's like the red room experiment, you can't imagine it until it happens. It's not necessarily mystical, it's clearly related to brain function.
>>2220164>It's a mild hallucinogenic, not a downer like opium that relaxes your nerves.This is completely inaccurate for a couple reasons.
Firstly, weed very rarely causes significant visual effects. At extremely high doses (usually by way of edibles) there can be some light changes to color, but in the general population it pretty much never causes actual hallucinations.
Secondly, it absolutely
does relax people. It can also cause paranoia, but the primary effects (and the reason people use it recreationally) are a lowering of inhibitions, increased sense of humor, and relaxation. It also can enhance the sensual effects of stuff like eating and, to a mild extent, sex. It can't really be accurately described as an "upper" or a "downer" - it's not a stimulant, but the lowering of inhibitions can have mild stimulant-like effects. It also won't reliably put you to sleep or knock you on your ass, but it does tend to relax people.
The biggest overlap between weed and actual psychedelics is that weed induces a milder version of the philosophical sense of being a very small part of something larger, a part whose particular neuroses are not important, a part which should just endeavor to be nice to people and not get hung up on its ego. There is a philosophical component to weed in this regard which overlaps with the other "hippie drugs" like LSD, psilocybin, MDMA, etc. Coke, alcohol, meth, etc. don't generally do that.
>And what is funny is it still considerrd a mild drug despite the fact that the potency of weed has increased by 300% since the 70s.And it was a very mild drug to begin with. It's rare, if it occurs at all, that anyone dies even now of an overdose of genuine weed, which can't be said for opium or alcohol or meth or even caffeine. And 2 out of 4 of those are completely legal!
You can increase the potency of a drug like weed by 300% (not saying you
should, that's a different question) and it will still be less dangerous than stuff like Xanax that's less controlled in the US than weed is.
>Is the 420 movement a mechanism to get socialist types and outcasts to get hooked on drugs and avoid coming to terms with their decaying social conditions?Not the 420 movement so much as the entire co-opting of counter-culture and the creation of the war on drugs, which goes back way further to the '60s and '70s at least.
They associate the left with drug use and then heavily police drug use, even of weed which genuinely is a very mild drug. They've regularly framed leftists as drug users when they weren't and used that to arrest them, planting drugs is a known police tactic. The powers-that-be do, to an extent, also prefer that the public, and the working poor especially, is using drugs and preoccupying itself with stupid hedonistic bullshit and stupid fights about what leisures should be allowed to the impoverished. This is true for alcohol, too, it's not just a weed thing.
All this said, drugs themselves are not generally the problem. Some drugs (opioids, meth, benzodiazepines, cocaine, etc.) are worse and more addictive than others, and the primary unifying reason for this is that they tend to induce worse withdrawals, although they often have pretty shit highs too when compared to some less harmful stuff. But you still shouldn't use them, even the nicer ones. Consider candyflipping after you've done the work to stop the genocide. One 12 hour session of that after revolution and you'll be fine all year. Until then, you haven't earned it. Don't concern yourself with hedonism or shallow pleasures or trying to cope, if you feel horrible it's because there is a problem which needs solving and you need to solve it.
>>2220751>The biggest overlap between weed and actual psychedelics is that weed induces a milder version of the philosophical sense of being a very small part of something larger, a part whose particular neuroses are not important, a part which should just endeavor to be nice to people and not get hung up on its ego. There is a philosophical component to weed in this regard which overlaps with the other I'm fully on team weed is a psychedelic, I don't know why some claim it's not, but that is the popular opinion.
>"hippie drugs" like LSD, psilocybin, MDMA, etc. Coke, alcohol, meth, etc. don't generally do that.No you're wrong, weed is very much in the camp of LSD, Mescaline, and Psilocybin. I know I've done them all. MDMA I don't have that much experience with but I've supposedly taken it, who knows when you buy some garbage of some dealer. Weed is different because it's come up and duration is much shorter. LSD, Acid, Shrooms, all are in the 10-12 hour range of duration. But weed induces similar effects. People would probably call DMT and Salvia psychedelics or hallucinogenics right, but those only have like 10 minute durations(I've done salvia a number of times but not DMT yet.)
>>2220805>No you're wrong,Sorry I meant to agree with you.
I agree with your post very much Newgene.
Drugs are fucking life. What are we going to do next, outlaw music like Muslims? It's disgusting to me personally. We should be allowed to do what we want to feel how we want to feel. You don't own me you bitch. Mind your business, I'll mind mine, or get yourself fucked up.
>>2220805>I'm fully on team weed is a psychedelic, I don't know why some claim it's not, but that is the popular opinion.I don't consider it a proper psychedelic, my view is just that there are some overlaps in terms of its philosophical and emotional effects.
>No you're wrong, weed is very much in the camp of LSD, Mescaline, and Psilocybin. I know I've done them all. MDMA I don't have that much experience with but I've supposedly taken it, who knows when you buy some garbage of some dealer.A street dealer? It probably wasn't legit MDMA. I've bought ""MDMA"" off rando street dealers three times and it was never the real thing. Street drugs are unreliable, and if you really want to know what MDMA is like you'll have to get it off somebody you know and trust who won't BS you. Even then, I don't trust the judgment of users here, but I'm not gonna go into any more detail about how to find it because I'm not here to promote hedonism. ;P
>LSD, Acid, Shrooms, all are in the 10-12 hour range of duration. But weed induces similar effects.I don't know wtf kind of weed you're using. I suspect that the LSD you've taken was at a low dose - there are people who take acid for years but only get the stimulant effects, the philosophical thoughts, and
maybe closed-eye visuals. If you've only taken enough to get that far, then I don't blame you for comparing psilocybin and LSD to weed. I guarantee that higher doses of it would completely change this perspective, same with mushrooms. I've never had a brownie, or even a
batch of brownies, that made the floor turn into water or made time go backwards and the universe explode. If your weed's doing that, someone put something else in it.
>People would probably call DMT and Salvia psychedelics or hallucinogenics right, but those only have like 10 minute durations(I've done salvia a number of times but not DMT yet.)DMT and Salvia are both really different from psilocybin and LSD from what I've heard, but I haven't tried DMT or Salvia. DMT always sounded very interesting.
>>2220164Holy shit, where to start…
Stop telling us what weed does. It's different for everyone. It does relax my nerves; that's one of the prime reasons I smoke and eat it. It does intensify emotions, but no panic or psychosis for me, or most for that matter.
If you're the paranoid conspiracy type you won't believe this (you use the word 'psyop'), but cultural movements happen organically on their own. You can't plan for them. "The system" doesn't want us to smoke weed. There are still more than half of the states refusing to legalize it despite all the tax revenue it generates. Weed is a thing in spite of those people. The best that is happening besides legalization, availability, and affordability is the loss of the stigma that it's a terrible drug that will fuck up your life or kill you. That's taken decades to dismantle, and as I stated, it's still only halfway there in the USA.
Even at its potency it's still a mild drug. I have tried all the drugs and know this firsthand. I can smoke a few bong hits and drive to the store and shop. I've even been pulled over while high and the police were none the wiser about it. 9% of users can become psychologically addicted to weed, but even then it's not a crippling or dangerous addiction. It's just smoking weed a lot while doing life, just like everyone else who smokes.
So if you think it's antithetical* to capitalism you've already blown a big hole in your idea of some sort of forced plan. You want so badly to come up with some schizo thing about weed but it just isn't there. People have always, always smoked weed. Since before the times of recorded history. Only less than a hundred years ago has it ever been frowned upon by any fucking society, and THAT, my friend, was actually a conspiracy. Hearst and Anslinger and many others got together to smear a once mandatory crop (hemp) to further their interests in paper, oil, xenophobia, you name it.
Nothing decays socially because of weed. It inspires creativity in some and calms the aggressiveness of others. It's a safe alternative to alcohol and painkillers for recreational use.
I smoke weed every day and I make my living as an artist. Don't tell me it's bad for society, shitbag.
>>2220178So SOME people are negatively affected by cannabis and therefore it shouldn't be enjoyed by everyone else? We don't think like that here. It's a tiny fraction of people who have that reaction. They can just stay away from it.
Yet you also think every user is a degenerate drug addict. You're just wrong all around.
>>2220203lol, it will still repair itself without hurting if you do any number of things we have at our disposal in modern society; take a pill, rub on a salve, or smoke some weed, or rub on some weed balm, or eat or drink a weed-medicated treat.
You may just be a masochist though. Normal people don't enjoy pain. No wonder you have made an issue with marijuana.
>>2220219>everyone I know who smoked weed developed paranoiaStatistically there's no way that's true, unless you met those people through some support group for weed paranoiacs or something. lol
It was only you who had a "bad trip" from weed. I'm sure it really sucked for you, but 95% of people I know who smoked weed had no problem. 40% of them continued smoking regularly. Over 90% of them smoke occasionally.
But I don't hang out with reactionary types. Nor do I hang out with failed layabouts. Your information is suspect. The world and "the system" is completely correct to have relaxed its stance on weed and affected mass legalizations. You lost, square! lol
>>2220211based ex addict telling the truth
I have a friend who started smoking weed in high school. He did it every day and then eventually a few years later he had to be prescribed anti anxiety medication since he was so anxious about everything. His grades were trash, his lung function got steadily worse and he would be coughing even when he wasn't sick, and he started becoming delusional.
>>2220243It's not a shitty drug. You're just dumb. You're like a MAGAfag who can't see that Trump sucks. There's no getting through to you. You just see dumb stoners and they are bad. Because you had too much weed and a bad trip because you're already nuts.
You're stubborn and you're stupid and you're so self-centered that you think your rare allergy to weed should ruin it for everyone. all these other "people you know" are just comments you saw posted online from other wieners who couldn't handle their high. Ask everyone who walks out of a dispensary and they'll fucking laugh at you, dingleberry.
Smoking weed is fucking cool and all the best people do it. Only the worst people have a problem with it. Go fuck yourself, prude.
>>2220804It's not about believing. The term 'functional alcoholic' defies your logic. Lots of people are high on speed of various types and you'd never know it. And they can't live without it and yet manage to go about their lives and get their shit done. Same with opiates and benzos and booze and anything else that's addictive. Caffeine is addictive. That's doesn't impair functionality. Just the opposite.
You're too dumb to be in this discussion. How long until your ban is up and you can return to your normal sewer?
>>2220827I've done salvia and it makes you hallucinate. But yes, much different from LSD or mushrooms.
Cannabis absolutely can have time go backwards and your universe explode and all the rest. It's just that you have to eat a fuckton of it with no tolerance (if you've had a batch at a time you probably worked up to it). There are lots of documented cases of this throughout history. Terence McKenna has retold stories and provided sources for them, some of which I found and read. Very fascinating stuff.
My own first time was very hallucinogenic. I'd smoked three or four times from a pipe with no success at all. Then finally a kid sat me down with a bong and made me inhale huge hit after huge hit until I'd coughed my lungs out. I'll never forget the smell or taste of it. It was a very golden bud. This was back in the days of green, brown, red weeds. No strain names. You were just lucky if it wasn't brick or brown.
I was so high I could barely make it from our neighborhood hiding spot back to my house and all the way to my bed. It was the most harrowing and difficult journey I've ever made. It felt like it took hours and I could only make out two or three frames per second. Some times I rounded a corner and each frame lasted several seconds. Time froze. Also, walking became like a loop where I kept walking and I couldn't make any progress; the destination stayed the same distance for a long time, and yet it felt that I was making the walk a second time, like repeat or deja vu. When I finally, finally got to bed, all 3,000 tons of me, for I was a captain inside my head like in Pacific Rim or something, controlling a humongous and slow machine which felt like it was moving through mud. To look down at your feet as if from atop a mountain is definitely trippy, but it wasn't entirely scary. It was pretty cool. When I finally got to bed after remembering hearing myself through an echo of half a mile away excusing myself to my dad about having a headache and wanting to lay down as I climbed the towering staircase, I experienced intense relaxation while vivid closed eye visuals washed over me for hours. It was like Lisa Simpson's dental gas dreams. It was cartoony and claymation. It was neon against black. It was a laser Floyd show. I'm not kidding. And when it had worn off enough for me to sit up and shake it off, it had been just less than an hour. It was intense, and on of the most amazing experiences. And yet I respected it and only partook every few months on special weekends with friends I introduced it to. It was very psychedelic. And perhaps because that was the 90s and weed is stronger today, people aren't having the same reaction. Maybe if they do what I did they'd go directly to the 9th circle of hell like OP. But I don't hear much about that being a negative thing. I don't know how weed being stronger hasn't accounted for more stories like mine. Maybe it has; I don't really go looking for that sort of reading. But before anyone says that weed was laced, it wasn't. That's not a thing. I smoked the same weed from the same bag other times and as I acclimated to the effects the experience proved to have diminishing returns. And honestly that's how it is with all drugs. People chase that "first high" that was so amazing, so completely positive. Other times when we smoked a lot there were time warps and intensities as well, and total nonsense being spoken and laughed at. That's probably why it's not a good idea to smoke before the brain is done developing. I was 16. Luckily I didn't make it a habit until years later.
>>2220903>I've done salvia and it makes you hallucinate.I didn't say it didn't. ;P
>Cannabis absolutely can have time go backwards and your universe explode and all the rest. It's just that you have to eat a fuckton of it with no tolerance (if you've had a batch at a time you probably worked up to it). There are lots of documented cases of this throughout history. Terence McKenna has retold stories and provided sources for them, some of which I found and read. Very fascinating stuff. I absolutely do not believe that. It's my understanding that there have been rare instances throughout history of people who reacted to weed, in general, with hallucinations, but I don't have any faith that cannabis can induce LSD-like hallucinations
in the general population. I've stopped and restarted weed enough times that I would have noticed if that was a thing. Different chemicals effect the brain differently, and THC just doesn't do that to ordinary brains.
>I was so high I could barely make it from our neighborhood hiding spot back to my house and all the way to my bed. It was the most harrowing and difficult journey I've ever made. It felt like it took hours and I could only make out two or three frames per second. Some times I rounded a corner and each frame lasted several seconds. Time froze. Also, walking became like a loop where I kept walking and I couldn't make any progress; the destination stayed the same distance for a long time, and yet it felt that I was making the walk a second time, like repeat or deja vu.You're just describing being stoned in this account. Very stoned, but still stoned.
I've been that stoned plenty of times, I don't consider that to be hallucination… it's like, a bit to a hallucination than being so drunk that you get double vision is.
When I talk about time going backwards and the universe exploding, I'm not talking about losing track of time and having time skips, I'm talking about getting into a weird groove where you start thinking things, or perceiving thoughts, faster than you think them, pulling ideas from an apparent future and remarking in the past on how strange it is, and then gradually entering into an abstract visual loop and circling a vast light at the center of creation which burns you when you touch it. I've been stoned a lot of times, I've never gotten that sort of thing from weed, and this is all open-eye stuff with LSD.
>>2220914CBD didn't do anything at all to your brain. That's just not possible. Unless you mean you bought weed high in CBD and low in THC and smoked it. Over the counter CBD products don't get you or anyone else high.
I'd normally tell you to just use small amounts but it seems there's no amount too small for you. You're just in that tiny percentage of people who reacts poorly to cannabis. You can keep trying but it probably won't change. I knew a guy who couldn't get high. It just didn't affect him. People would give him copious amounts to smoke as a party trick and it didn't even physically affect him. His eyes didn't get red or anything. The damnedest thing anyone ever saw. And some of our friends were cops and gave him all the tests, despite the fact that everyone could see that he wasn't impaired in the slightest. Everyone is different. But most people react the same way. Out of those people, 9 out of 10 will have no issues at all. The other one will have a hard time stopping using. And that's a pretty low rate for addiction and also the least destructive "abuse" drug for those who have trouble with it. Those people usually get help or just keep using, but it's not an addiction that puts you on the street. It robs some of ambition, gives others too much, and others yet will just go about their lives with no distinct differences at all.
>>2220925No I bought CBD pre rolls, I think the THC content was like 0.3% meaning it was 3g.
I didn't feel high. Just buzzed
>>2220203<No. I prefer to feel pain. Inflammation is good. It means your body is working it's natural defensesto repair itselfThis only makes you a masochist, you have no idea what pain is. I have Multiple Sclerosis, Epilepsy,Arthritis, Osteoporosis, curvature of the spine, and a bunch of other shit. My cannabis is prescribed to me by my neurologist. You're a stupid fucking cunt that needs to kill himself.
Even in the recreational sense I never understood how people compare cannabis to spirits; I mean have you ever heard of potheads physically abusing their SO's, and or their kids?
>>2220226<The relation between psychosis and THC is incredibly well documentedNo it isn't this is in fact a major problem vis-a-vis cannabis is the lack of documentation there is, there aren't that many studies at all, and there's no profit in it for porky
, reminder the only thing cannabis kills is cancer cells, and porky's profits…
Weed is less harmful than alcohol but absolutely insane to deny the relationship between THC and psychosis
It's pretty well documented and studied
>Psychiatrists began to wonder if cannabis could actually cause psychosis as well as make established psychosis worse. A famous study interviewed 50,000 conscripts into the Swedish Army about their drug consumption and followed them up. Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at 18 were six times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it.
>This year, Dutch epidemiologist Jim Van Os published the results of his study, in which 7,500 people were interviewed about their drug consumption and followed up for three years. Once again, regular consumers of cannabis were more likely to develop psychosis than those who didn't. Two other studies with similar findings are in progress.
>It is perhaps surprising that it took the professionals so long to reach this conclusion. For example, it is widely accepted in Jamaica that too much ganja can cause paranoia. Several famous Rastafarians spent their last years incarcerated in Bellevue, the squalid mental hospital in Kingston, among them the legendary ska trombonist, Don Drummond.
>Cannabis is now one of the biggest problems on in-patient psychiatric wards in England's major cities. It is common at Maudsley for those making progress to relapse suddenly. The explanation comes when a urine sample tests positive for cannabis. The same effect has been shown at Yale Medical School, where volunteers were given THC - the major active ingredient of cannabis - by injection. Psychotic symptoms could be produced in normal subjects, and people with schizophrenia had a brief exacerbation of their psychosis.
>So will reclassifying cannabis cause more people to become psychotic? The incidence of schizophrenia in south London has doubled since the 1960s; the use of cannabis and cocaine could be a factor. The increase in the prevalence and the deteriorating outcomes of schizophrenia due to cannabis use is the main reason why psychiatric services in London are in such a mess.
>Any public debate on cannabis needs to take account of the risks as well as the pleasure. Pro-marijuana campaigners claim, extrapolating from their Saturday-night joint, that cannabis is totally safe. Yet they would be unlikely to claim that a bottle of vodka a day is healthy on the basis of sharing a bottle of Chablis over dinner.
>No drugs that alter brain chemistry are totally safe. Just as some who drink heavily become alcoholic, so a minority of those who smoke cannabis daily go psychotic. Society has to balance the enjoyment that the majority get from cannabis with the harm it causes to a vulnerable few.
>>2222061<All you faggots get weirdly aggressive and defensive about your drug addiction but in a smug self satisfied sort of way, completely disparaging the lived experience of those with mental illness and traumasImplying that the people with, supposed, mental illness & trauma ITT, aren't disparaging people with mental illness, that manifests physically(MS & Epilepsy) causing the majority of people to forget that we also suffer mental trauma, imagine the hubris… You think me being disabled, with no immune system to speak of, new illnesses & conditions being added on every year is not traumatizing?
>>2222112<This year, Dutch epidemiologist Jim Van Os published the results of his study, in which 7,500 people were interviewed about their drug consumption and followed up for three years. Once again, regular consumers of cannabis were more likely to develop psychosis than those who didn't. Two other studies with similar findings are in progress.I'm sorry, but how is this a proper study? They were "interviewed and followed up", they didn't administer doses, and them being soldiers implies they were fit enough to serve, so who's to say Soldier A wasn't blazing & pounding beers 24/7 while soldier B wasn't using cannabis exclusively, and soldier C didn't roll on MDMA and blaze to keep the trip going… Come correct
>>2222058I have some crystal weed right now. I have goopy extract and shatter extract too. I use a blowtorch to warm it from beneath and take intoxicating, water-cooled crystal weed vapor hits and it's awesome. It's not a 'drug problem' at all. It's a widely available medicine.
I'm so medicated right now!
>>2222061Hahaha, there aren't enough of you to matter. You keep mentioning it's your own fucking mental illness that's getting in the way of a sweet and chill high. So that sounds like a YOU problem.
Most societies historically have not made weed illegal. It's only when the USA did it that others followed suit, and that's only because we kind of bully the world into doing things our way. The most hardcore religious nutcases of the middle east even allow it over alcohol. You're being very selective in how you interpret the history. You're wrong.
Sorry you're off kilter in the old noggin there. That sucks for you. But it's clear that the bitterness and envy over the rest of us enjoying the plant has made you into an annoying and illogical dumbass.
>>2222112lol, you're presenting that as evidence when clearly it's all just some guy's opinion piece.
We already knew that schizophrenics were more likely to schitz out on weed.
And it shouldn't take a Yale Medical professor to know that if you fucking inject THC into peoples' bloodstreams you might produce psychotic symptoms.
Personally, I only smoke the stuff.
Weed has commonly been used as a calming come-down drug after people have actually been through some schizo shit on real drugs.
Everything you anti-weed posters ever post is always off the mark but often just ass backwards too. I don't know what to tell you except you're fighting an uphill battle. It took decades to dismantle the bullshit from the reefer madness era, and adults are STILL waking up from the lies of the D.A.R.E. program we had in U.S. public schools in the 90s. You can't put that genie back in the bottle. No matter what is exposed or discovered about the plant which may be negative will be shrugged away as well it should be. Our society has allowed alcohol to thrive despite what it does to people. It's only fair that something far, far safer is given that same leeway. Most use it responsibly. Carl Sagan wrote an essay about having to drive home stoned out of his mind. I recommend people read it.
>>2222621>low I.Q.135 is a pretty respectable number. I have a pretty active and discursive brain and weed helps to calm and focus it.
And I enjoy how it augments my creativity. Most people against weed are not artists or creatives. I know we need those people, and that they make the world work, but those are not my kind of people. I will kick it with the creative intellectuals and get stoned and sit around the campfire to ponder the universe.
>>2222625Congratulations, you're normal!
These shitstain weirdos come on here and post with authority that their niche malfunction is widespread and that everyone they know is just like them and WE are the weird ones. The last five years especially I've seen so many people just living in their own reality bubbles, ignoring the facts and the way the issues are viewed by the rest of the population.
>>2223978All that has changed in the intervening decade since your "evidence" was published.
I know 1,000 stoners and not a single one gets paranoid from smoking.
I don't know what you're smoking.
>>2223954What exactly do you think the word "smug" means, you fucking dipshit? You keep accusing us of being it.
Smug faggots, smug faggots, stupid stoner smug faggots. Get over yourself.
>>2221475Yeah nothing revolutionary about the potential behind changing your brain chemistry or doing research on the matter. Fence sitting FTW!!!
>Drugs are boring brahTotally, its not like drugs have any other properties outside of being used for fun, its not like the entirety of pharmacology and medicine is built on drug trials.
>>2225181I'd be panicked too if I could "down the street". That's intense.
>>2225200That video is even more terrible than that clickbait thumbnail. Youtube is fucking garbage. You think that's funny? You think those haircuts are acceptable? FUCK YOU.
>>2222621Overt racism is the most honest reason to oppose cannabis use tbh
Death to all honkies btw
I've smoked this shit for 10 years, was asbolutely hooked. It was part of my group culture, all my friends still does.
I've first realized it wasn't as "ligh" as I though when I had to stop when I went a couple weeks oversea with my then gf and couldn't sleep or relax, didn't enjoy the stay just because I didn't have weed. After many tries I managed to quit but yeah I realize it had many downsides. I was diagnozised with anxiety disorder and ADHD but after a while without smoking and replacing the habit by going to the gym I realized it was my daily consumption.
I've actually done a lot of other drugs (coke, mdma, speed, lsd, shrooms, addys, 3MMC…even meth one time) but none got hold on me like weed.
While I still think it's lighter than most, and if you're like totally alcoholic then smoking weed is the better alternative, I think you would be naive to say weed is harmless.
Of course, not everyone will be as addicted as I was, but I see that a lot of friends still smoke like I did and never recognize the fact that they're fully addicted.
>>2226658>Remember guys the reason why it's bad to smoke weed is because it makes you extremely annoying to all your loved onesLol not at all.
It's funny all the dude weed perceptions have of smoking. You're only going to get high off your ass like they portray in movies if you're a novice and you don't smoke regularly. Actually what it would be more likely to do is make you really quiet anyways.
Look at Joe Rogan and Snoop Dogg. Everyone loves those motherfuckers. Weed gives you a very chill demeanor, makes you seem less judgemental, which is like the main thing people are looking to avoid.
>>2228718We're certainly having more fun than non-stoners
>>2228722It's simply an enjoyable past-time, like video games, or religion, or porn. What's with all the assumptions people have about stoners?
>>2220805As someone who literally involved in throwing Rainbow Gatherings, and spent more than my time doing psychs and around psychonauts, Weed is 100% a Psychedelic.
It's a mild one, but smoke a strong strain and you can be blasted off into a trip that feels 1:1 like a mushroom trip, wavy visuals, high saturation colour and all. The most obvious evidence Weed is a psychedelic is audio. Even on just a few tokes, music takes on a completely different level of dimension and complexity.
The difference is the "main psychedelics" shrooms, 2CB, LSD have far more of a "Philosophical"/"introspection" component + also having far more of a empathy component. 2CB in particular I used to call "MDMA + Visuals".
MDMA is not a psychedelic in any way, it's a very strong mood booster and anti-anxiety drug. Proper clean MDMA just makes you super empathetic and happy with a warm "rush" similar to Ritalin or Adderall or whatever.
>>2220164There is some theory that Hippy culture was pushed by the CIA but I've never found any strong links. The strongest link is that Pickard (main US LSD producer) was definitely "protected" from local law enforcement by FBI or CIA based on stories from his girlfriend who said he could just pick up the phone, call someone, hand it to state police, and they would back off from arresting him for drunk driving or trafficking drugs or whatever and this was across the country.
The main downside of Weed honestly is it just makes people lazy as fucking shit and boring as fuck. When my friends all became daily stoners, they all became super lazy, would stop showing up for anything that required effort like going out to a bar, and would flake on fucking EVERYTHING. People can hype up weed all they want, but it absolutely causes fatigue and intense brain fog which makes people lazy as fuck. I also think with all stoners, it hits a point where they start to become skittish and paranoid. Had even many dreadlocked friends stop smoking because the "paranoia" phase hits.
>>2228722Weed is 100% illegal everywhere outside of the US and Canada.
What places like Amsterdam have is basically don't ask don't tell. I doubt NZ or Australia or the UK or most of Europe will legalize weed until boomers all die out. NZ voted down it's weed referendum just a few months ago.
>>2220164Yes, OP. You are the only one.
Blaze it.
>>2228722Well, like most adults I don't react to games, religion, or porn as if narcotics. I'm not an addict with those things just like I'm not with pot.
People who use weed to escape their reality rather than augment it occasionally are indeed doing it wrong.
I'm sick of everyone seeing things as one of two extremes. There's a lot of gray in the world. MOST people who use marijuana - and that is a lot of them - just puff a little after work now and then to unwind rather than have a cocktail. It's not all fucking gutter junkies and churchboys. Sure there's the odd "stoner" burnout who gives weed a bad name. But these days he's just a drop in the ocean of responsible users who are making the world a better place by using fewer hard drugs and less alcohol.
>>2228772Fuck off, dude. You're just being contrarian with this complete opposite bullshit. You're not even subtle.
The average normal person does not have an insurmountable issue with paranoia. You have zero evidence to support that.
The cannabis industry would not be thriving if everyone who tried it freaked out like you, a fucking pussy. If there wasn't return business it wouldn't be a thing. What the fuck is wrong with you? How fucking stupid are you?
Duh, you're from 4chan. You're the exact type of fucking stubborn cunt who just repeats the same not only wrong, but fucking backwards points as if they're true. You're sick. You're broken in the brain. You're just a stupid troll who can't handle his weed. You just created a little fantasy where if you go to a forum and declare that everyone is like you and weed makes everyone nuts, it doesn't matter that everyone disagrees because you see "your truth" posted up there. I guess that's enough for you. You must be one of those younger "spectrum" people with some brain disorder that makes you incapable of flowing with society. You bristle and rebel against whatever there is regardless of having a believable position or any evidence to support yourself.
No one is falling for it. I doubt you're even convincing yourself, dumbshit.
>>2228784>The cannabis industry would not be thriving if everyone who tried it freaked out like youthe meth industry, gambling industry, and opiate industry are also thriving but their customers aren't exactly doing well
i think weed has destroyed your functioning brain cells
>>2228787>you retarded americansYep, a stubborn foreigner schizo from 4chan who just can't get it through his head. You don't have any fucking clue because whatever 3rd world shithole you're from is totally different. You have no frame of reference. Your opinion doesn't matter because your government probably tells you all sorts of stupid shit about weed. What you smoked probably wasn't even real weed at all. You freaked out because you smoked spice or something. Some shit you'd see on a Vice video where brown guys in masks spray down tables of catnip with weirdo chemicals and that's what the poverty stricken little idiots like you smoke in the alleys. No wonder you didn't have the chill experience an American driving in a convertible on the Pacific Coast Highway would have while smoking true Humboldt County Purple Haze.
I'm really sure China is going to invade my nation and make me into a slave.
I'm sorry but you can't stay. We don't want you here. Find some other alternative to 4chan. Your stupidity and stubborn rejection of objective reality doesn't fly here like over there, fucktard.
>>2228795Bait used to be believable.
Now go the fuck back.
>>2228795Lmao imagine writing all that shit thinking imma waste my time reading it.
Go back to your Amazon factory you retarded Israeli Chinese cattle
>>2228799lol, you're not on 4chan. You can't tell people to "go back" like anyone here gives a fuck about Reddit or thinks it's the enemy.
I'd tell you to go back but you have nowhere to go back to because it's dead. Fuck off.
>>2228800What schoolbooks? For who? You don't know what happens here, loon. You're just making up conspiracy shit out of your ass.
>"Americans teaching school children to legalize drugs through curriculum textbooks and the subversive TV shows, film at 11"Blow it out your crazy ass. No one is pulling strings from behind the scenes to dull the masses for a slave takeover, schizo. It's just weed, and the USA can't even agree from state to state. You're a fucking psychotic, you already admitted that; it's why you can't smoke weed without going crazy. You're biased and you're uninformed and worst of all you're stupid.
Seriously, you can't stay here.
>>2220173drugs can absolutely cause ego death
weed can't. but other drugs can. the main one people think of is acid/LSD.
it's also not like an ongoing thing. it's temporary. for a brief period of time you experience life without ego. not everyone likes it. some people change their whole life because of it. other people just say "that was neat" and move on.
I wouldn't recommend ever trying it unless you're ready for a wholly new experience that you can't ever be sure that you're actually ready for.
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