/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

You know how The Illiad has over 200 English translations? we need that but for the Manifesto. In verse, in iambic meter, in super-accessible 'modern casual', and as a 'campfire epic'.

I would never use the communist manifesto as an introduction to leftist literature at all, it's a terrible idea because it highly conflicts with western society preset ideas that are hard to shake from the get go, unless you understand how you're getting economically fucked in the ass by the ruling class first, it only serves to drive people away from leftist ideology.
I usually tell them to read this:

1 - An introduction to Marxist economic theory (Ernest Mandel)
2 - Value, Price and Profit (Marx) [Sometimes translated as Wages, Price and Profit]
3 - Introduction to Wage Labour and Capital (Marx and Engels)

the communist manifesto comes at the very least after these three texts.

The Manifesto isn't an intro to theory. It was a polemic by young Marx before he started developing his theories based on the belief that a communist revolution was about to sweep over Europe. Obviously that didn't happen so he realized he needed to do more studying and figure things out better. It's interesting from a Marxology perspective but it has near zero bearing on what Marx eventually developed as a theory.

It is however a nice and easy read that can whet your appetite to Marx's writing style.

>>2226794
>The Manifesto isn't an intro to theory.
How is it not? It's a brief overview of it.

>The Communist League, an international association of workers, which could of course be only a secret one, under conditions obtaining at the time, commissioned us, the undersigned, at the Congress held in London in November 1847, to write for publication a detailed theoretical and practical programme for the Party. Such was the origin of the following Manifesto,
<It's interesting from a Marxology perspective but it has near zero bearing on what Marx eventually developed as a theory.
>However much that state of things may have altered during the last twenty-five years, the general principles laid down in the Manifesto are, on the whole, as correct today as ever. Here and there, some detail might be improved.

>>2226710
it is a pretty good text for beginners, probably the easiest marxist text as a matter of fact
>western society preset ideas
you are mentally retarded. the point of the manifesto is precisely to exploit this ideology. it is by far the most powerful pamphlet written by the left, ever

>>2226794
>le young marx
it is a perfect preface to the concept of historical materialism, the subsequent marx writings focused more on either political economy or critiques of philosophy. stop spreading fud

>>2226804
>it is a pretty good text for beginners, probably the easiest marxist text as a matter of fact
the manifesto has absolutely no theory at all in it, it's good for debunking dumb myths about leftist ideology that still prevail today, like just for example the clear distinction between private property and personal property.
but people will be absolutely reluctant to accept anything the manifesto explains untill they realize how the system in which they live is really exploitation and they're getting fucked by the ruling class, and they can only understand this through theory, and the most easily digested marxist theory for beginners is the three texts I mentioned earlier.
again, the manisfesto is a horrible introduction to marxism since it contains no theory at all and is just an "explanation of ideals", ideals which the reader finds conflicting with theirs if they live in western society because they think the system works, since this is what they're being bombarded with since they were born.
>you are mentally retarded.
you need to go back to 4chan

>>2226817
Blehh. That's exactly who I'm trying to talk to. There's so many so-called Marxists who never read Marx, I dunno maybe you can still be an ML if you've only read Lenin.

>>2226813
>the manifesto has no content
you are mentally retarded. it has the highest content concentration among what marx wrote, by far. you didn't understand it, you are afraid of conflict, you underestimate people and most important of all, you sound boring and unconvincing. that text is the most direct and scathing critique of bourgeois society marx ever wrote, and the only one written to convince people. no one cares about political economy

>>2226841
>I'm so smart and you're retarded
yet you can't read, I never said it has no content.
I'm done, you clearly shouldn't be here.

Heh

>>2226813
>communism is an ideology
Ahahaheheyuehuaheauh

well the 10 planks is china

>>2226813
> ideals which the reader finds conflicting with theirs if they live in western society because they think the system works, since this is what they're being bombarded with since they were born.
Please go outside and talk to people once in a while

>>2229651
try and leave your retarded eco chamber every now and then.

>>2226710
This.

>>2226804
>it is a pretty good text for beginners, probably the easiest marxist text as a matter of fact
It's also the most likely to leave people thinking that Marx is a bunch of irrelevant 19th century crap. It's a dated polemic with a young Marx's incomplete ideas. Majority of people I know who became "communists" because of the manifesto turned radlib in couple years. Those who read his later theory usually wind up on the left.