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The USSR has objectively failed to bring the world revolution. But what could it do to do it? And now that we have modern militaries and nuclear weapons the prospects of exporting world revolution seem even harder.
Exporting the revolution through war against everyone was hardly possible, even less possible now. Waiting for the rest of the world to revolt is unreliable, especially considering that main opponents of the revolutionary state will be the richest countries that can easily buy the loyalty of their proletariat.

Why do you need world revolution? Not just socialism, but even Communism is entirely possible in one country, as Stalin understood.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1946/09/24.htm
>"Communism in one country" is perfectly possible, especially in a country like the Soviet Union.

>>2230546
Oh my Hitler

>>2230549
Pre-revolution vs building socialism for 30 years in 1946. 1946 is more accurate

>>2230546
Debooonked by comrade Koba (pbuh)

Originally

>>2230543
Push advanced robotics and AI till the point vital sectors of the world economy is fully integrated and automated.

>>2230552
More like pre-Russian revolution defeat vs coping after the fact

>>2230546
Communism is classless and stateless. While it's entirely possible to have a state populated and ruled by one class, the state remains until class contradictions are resolved(i.e. abolition of capitalist class and class system as a whole).

>>2230549
>>2230553
The thing the stalinists and antistalists don't understand is that most Stalin's works after 1927 are political in nature. The purpose of that interview was literally "pls don't start another war">

>What should the revolutionary state actually do?
Depends. If the social revolution is in the center, then it has to safeguard the revolution and export it to the rest of the center. If it happens in the periphery, it has to safegurad the revolution and build up the productive forces to no longer be in the periphery and export the revolution after that.

>>2230568
How do you export it? Drop leaflets?

>>2230546
This, you don't need to be imperialist spreading your ideals to the world.
Just make thinks great for the worker and brain drain every other nation by offering such better conditions, which will reduce their ability to wage economic war on your which of course they will.

>>2230570
BRI is a good example of exporting socialism

>>2230546
Stalin literally exported the revolution to half of Europe. "Socialism in one country" is a meme

>>2230547
Oh my [Most effective anti-Hitlerite commander in history]*

>>2230543
Shoot all billionaires. Put middle managers in director roles as a reward to keep loyalty plus they have the expertise of the business, keep them. Immediately allow for community vanguards to be set up with their own armory with someone who's qualified to run the stores, allow for community policing to purge all criminals by community tribunal. Immediately greenify all communities for energy independence, large cities will continue to use fossil fuel until alternatives can replace. Destroy Wall Street system and turn it into a community hedge fund where the financial system is run and directed for more large-scale investments in infrastructure.

>>2230617
Was Stalin a trotskyite saboteur?

Batte the ayyys on Europa

>>2233885
WTF I love Joseph Stalin now

>>2230543
> But what could it do to do it?
It couldn’t once the revolutionary wave that gave birth to it was defeated, fairly basic orthodox Marxism
> And now that we have modern militaries and nuclear weapons the prospects of exporting world revolution seem even harder.
Probably because you fantasize about a socialist national state conquering the world rather than international proletarian revolution, the latter of which would require the bourgeoisie to simply commit suicide if they try to stop them with nukes (what, will they nuke themselves?)
> Exporting the revolution through war against everyone was hardly possible, even less possible now
I don’t think you know what a “revolution” is
> Waiting for the rest of the world to revolt is unreliable, especially considering that main opponents of the revolutionary state will be the richest countries that can easily buy the loyalty of their proletariat.
If you don’t think global proletarian revolution (literally the only way to defeat international capitalism) is possible then for you there definitely is no hope

I’m glad to be a Marxist instead of an ML 😌

>>2233859
>Maintain capitalism indefinitely
Another stunning MLoid real analysis of the objective conditions

>>2234200
>I’m glad to be a Marxist instead of an ML 😌
The L in ML stands for anticolonial policy btw

>>2234204
Everything I just wrote was basically what the Paris Commune was doing, the only thing they didn’t do was seize the banks, which in my suggestion for modern times is seizing Wall Street. They also didn’t shoot billionaires since billionaires didn’t exist back then.

>>2234200
Trots are the biggest retards and the most reactionary and wreckers of all leftist movements.

>>2230543
>What should the revolutionary state actually do?
Dissolve into a democratic confederacy.

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Liberalize

>>2230543
>Exporting the revolution through war against everyone was hardly possible, even less possible now.
Nah it is more possible now, China is relative to the capitalist west more powerful than the Soviet Union ever was, barring perhaps 1945.

>>2234457
uh nukes??

>>2234484
Yeah, even with that the Americans could nuke maybe 2 cities a year, and the Soviets rapidly invented nukes themselves VS millions of men and hundreds of thousands of artillery pieces and tanks. If the Soviets wanted to continue the war in 1945 they could have conquered all of continental Europe quite easily, they had no such chances after that date.

>>2230546
Communism is literally impossible as long as the capitalist-worker dialectic exists, socialism in one country is possible (as will be displayed by China within the next 30 years) but communism quite literally cannot be. As another anon said, Stalin actively worked to export the revolution abroad through the comintern/cominform and the USSR was committed to exporting communism as late as the 1980s until Gorby cucked out. All we can hope is that China gets to a place where they can take up the USSR's mantle in actively exporting communism.

>>2234457
>China
>exporting revolution
<The Chinese leadership has used the theory of “three worlds” to justify support for fascist regimes around the world; any “third world” ruling class that supports “unity of the third world” and opposes “the superpowers’ drive for hegemony” qualifies for Chinese aid. In 1971, the Chinese supported the Bandaranaike regime in Ceylon, sending arms to crush the uprising led by students and agricultural workers. In 1973, when General Pinochet overthrew Allende in Chile, the Chinese Embassy locked its doors in the face of leftists seeking refuge from the fascist terror; last year, the Chinese offered Pinochet a loan of $50 million, when even the liberal governments of Europe were scared that open support for the butcher Pinochet would provoke strikes in Europe. Peking Review sings the praises of the brutal Marcos regime in the Philippines. The wife and the sister of the Shah of Iran are frequent visitors to Peking; a high-level delegation was recently sent from China to help the Shah celebrate the founding of the murderous Pahlevi Dynasty.
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/pl-china-9.htm

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>>2233847
Oh my [Most effective anti-Bolshevik falsifier in history]

>>2234680
>Triggered lenin proves my point, he called him rude and a nationalist once, look at my nitpicks.
yawn.

>>2234685
The same tards who later claim "Lenin would agree with Stalin 100%"

>>2234693
no one said that, stop that projector and take your meds, lenin is know to fight everyone.

>>2234670
> the Chinese offered Pinochet a loan of $50 million, when even the liberal governments of Europe were scared that open support for the butcher Pinochet would provoke strikes in Europe.
What the absolute fuck china. I hoped that me being "useless at best enemies at worst" was me being pessimistic
>>2230610
> BRI is a good example of exporting socialism
Has china tried to export it's socialism to italy during the Maio-Salvini government? You guys are delusional.

>>2234695
At least you admit that "Marxism-Leninism" is a misnomer, Stalinism would more appropriately be called national socialism.

>>2234699
How is Ho chi min and fidel Stalinists if they had no association with stalin.
anyway you just want to wokescold stalin for lenin not sucking his cock the entire time, like lenin ever did that to anyone, even his wife.

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>>2234720
>Ho Chi Minh when you tell him doing national liberation doesn't make him a communist

>>2230546
>but even Communism is entirely possible in one country
Even in one kibbutz, revisionist.

>>2234383
I already know MLism is about nationalism
>>2234395
Not a trot, and don’t give a fuck about stalinoid schizophrenia that blames a minor joke movement like trotskyism for their own failures over the actual nuclear armed wage labor regimes that collapsed without a shot being fired (to reintegrate with American capital lmao)
>>2234392
Read it over again, I was autistic to you, me apologizes

>>2234765
What song is this?

>West sympathetic to Marxism

But the USSR did win

>>2234200
>Orthodox Marxism
aka menshevism

>>2230543
Like Nicaragua, since in its constitution is manifested as a revolutionary state.

>>2234904
all you posting is that non national socialism never achieved anything in real life, bordiga was right, hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW were the true revolutionaries, marxoids are ideological dead ends.


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