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The fact that it was both the Russian government that could force the current war in Ukraine to stop for even a day just to start it again the day after with drone strikes without needing any provocation by NATO, Ukraine directly, or any of the Eastern European countries bordering Russia only tells me and everyone else that there is no way in hell that NATO aggression can still be used as an excuse for the current actions taken under Putin’s government.
I’ll admit, I didn’t start off believing that the Russian government wanted to be in a war anyways. Even with the shit ton of reactionary manchildren larping as warriors in Russia, I largely just didn’t see a reason for the state to enter into a war with a potential ally of NATO if it wasn’t actively forced into one. Hell, I still believe that NATO is largely responsible for at least starting the current crisis in its current form (yes I’ll acknowledge ukro-Russo conflicts are fucking ancient and predate NATO).
However, none of that explains nor justifies why this shitty conflict is dragging on for so long even with all the signs pointing towards a war that may last ten to twelve more years in spite of it being resolvable with a withdrawal and reparation payments to all the lives lost or destroyed by this shitty attempt at mindless land grabbing. Nor can NATO be blamed for the civilian attacks against cities that are obviously densely populated and not evacuated which includes cities like Kyiv.

>>2235260
>there is no way in hell that NATO aggression can still be used as an excuse for the current actions taken under Putin’s government.
It took you like 3 years but congrats on finally realizing it and stop smoking from the Zigga crackpipe.

>>2235260
Foreign policy is usually an extension of domestic politics. There are contradictions internal to Russia which has propelled the country towards militarization and war which is what a lot of people prefer to ignore for "geopolitics."

They didn't stop the war for a day, they offered a truce and observed it briefly but Ukraine were always going to embarrass themselves by taking the opportunity to get a free punch in.

>Russia is taking too long to win

>It's resolvable if Russia just gives up and lets "Kyiv" win
Yeah, we already have a thread to discuss this, stop making separate threads because you can't or won't argue your point with anons who've already discussed this take to death.

>>2235265
They literally fucking didn’t. It’s pretty surprising knowing that they didn’t, but a little relieving knowing that that fucked up shithole still has people that would prefer peace.

>>2235266
I suspect it was offered to win brownie points with Christians within Russia since Ukraine is cracking down on the Christian church as some kind of pro-Russian saboteur group, but also because Trump wants to make deals (lol) and Russia can announce a truce knowing that Kiev is barely even in contact with their troops at the frontline, let alone have any control over them or discipline from them. The optics therefore are that Russia are open to truces and peace talks, but Ukraine are simply incapable of reciprocating.

Again, this didn't need to be its own thread.

>>2235264
Just another two weeks

>>2235260
>resolvable with a withdrawal and reparation payments to all the lives lost or destroyed by this shitty attempt at mindless land grabbing.
So we just go back to the old status quo of Donetsk and Luhansk getting randomly shelled every now and then? Just like the issue in Gaza now, every one wants peace, presumably so that the Palestinians can go back to being "peacefully" oppressed rather than violently being blown up.
You peace-warriors need to get a fucking clue, wishing for peace for its own sake so we can go back to the old times and pretend everyone should just talk things out is a losing mentality.

No wonder the West has never managed its own successful revolution

>>2235269
I don't support the SMO. I'm saying that there's a complex situation inside Russia. Russia is really fighting itself but imagines what it's doing as fighting against the West. The underlying reason for the war is to be found inside Russia itself, in the internal contradictoriness of Russian society.

There are a lot of ironies and contradictions to the war. For example, in order to counter the West, Russia will make enemies out of once-fraternal countries at a high cost in blood. To use an analogy, let's say you seduce a girl in your neighborhood, then her father-in-law kills her in a rage. The West technically speaking has experienced no losses in this war (other than a few adventure-seeking mercenaries).

The whole thing is irrational and I've come to think historically it's kind of an accident. The Mearsheimer types saying Russia is acting rationally are totally wrong. The U.S. has been pivoting to the Pacific to counter China, so from a security perspective, Russia's situation was actually improving. But Putin's own personal approval ratings were declining. His ratings were higher in 2004 when the Orange Revolution in Ukraine happened and Putin did nothing. That tells you something about Putin's interests and motivations.

But people supporting Putin when the country is under a kind of "siege" from the West (sanctions etc.) is not surprising, and the notion of a strong leader and special, cosmic or messianic mission for Russia is deeply rooted in the national psychology and what constitutes Russian patriotism. Territorial expansionism by military conquest is imagined as a path to restore Russia's greatness and sense of subjectivity. Even though this is aggressive, the supporters of the war think this is good not just for Russia but the world because of their special mission.

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>>2235275
>No wonder the West has never managed its own successful revolution

>>2235279
France isn’t the west

>>2235277
>The West technically speaking has experienced no losses in this war (other than a few adventure-seeking mercenaries).
<Gay Nazi casually forgets Europe's loss of Nordstream 2
You really do just notice only what you want to notice huh? Europe now pays a Qatari and Indian premium for gas as whats left of its industries hightails it to the PRC. Russia -in your opinion- acting irrationally is one of those "maybe true, also irrelevant" things. When multiple senior officials going back to the '90s insist that NATO encroachment will eventually lead to war, when NATO itself rejects the establishment of military bases in its own sphere, when NATO consistently adopts an anti-russia posture…

Then pretending that Russia is acting irrationally is ridiculous.
>>2235279
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the period after the revolution involved the establishment of a dictatorship of the proles and not say…the establishment of the Napoleonic empire and the biggest wars in Europe until the World Wars.

>>2235285
>Then pretending that Russia is acting irrationally is ridiculous.
I would never presume rationality as the default state in human affairs.

>>2235285
>Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the period after the revolution involved the establishment of a dictatorship of the proles and not say…the establishment of the Napoleonic empire and the biggest wars in Europe until the World Wars.
Well revolution isn't a dinner party.

Now post it in the general and get what's coming to you, pussy.


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