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476 posts and 114 image replies omitted.>>2396000They COULD take up arms and wage war against the bourgeois state, but they are just as likely to do that as they are to do a wildcat strike.
Do you even know what a wildcat strike is and what happens if you do one?
>>2395988Not bogus and not my point. I believe every system of government is valid, to certain scales, circumstance and context.
Socialism has not proven itself to be very awesome when is comes to sharing, ironically. I've met enough Eastern Bloc immigrants to know that for the most part, it just doesn't scale up properly, especially when it comes to food security.
You can try to debate me with your books and intellectualistic proffering however, you won't be able to shake me. This is because I live in reality, have spoken with those who have lived in reality and understand that the best source of information are going to the places and talking with the people who have experienced socialism on a large scale.
That being said.
The U.S. Military is a socialist program, bet you're a big supporter of them no?
>>2396006Why don't you post the images? Why do you assume we've seen their house?
>Is this normal, or do houses outside of suburbia just look like that?What do you mean house outside of suburbia? A farm house?
>>2395998Oh I see your point. IF we measure everything by using only one example, you will be correct and I will be wrong.
Guess what doodybrain? You can't learn a goddamn thing if you already "know it all." My wish for you is to become more rational and stop using cheap tactics to land low blow "gotcha" gimmicks. Shit doesn't fly in reality, only on imageboards filled with dumbasses. Fuck your infographic by the way, no one has been to outer space yet.
>>2396007>I believebehold, "science"
>socialism is good at sharingnot what it's about
>it doesn't scale up when it comes to food securitylmfao socialist countries had problems with food security because they were outnumbered, embargoed, and sanctioned in a majority capitalist world. It is capitalism that has a problem with food security: it deliberately destroys food if it becomes unprofitable to sell. Read the section titled "The deliberate destruction of the productive forces" in Chapter 3 of "Fascism and Social Revolution" by Rajani Palme Dutt.
>You can try to debate me with your books and intellectualistic proffering however, you won't be able to shake me. This is because I live in reality, have spoken with those who have lived in reality and understand that the best source of information are going to the places and talking with the people who have experienced socialism on a large scale.wow le consensus of talking to random people, so scientific
>The U.S. Military is a socialist program, bet you're a big supporter of them no?This has to be a troll, right? Socialism is when the govt does stuff and the more stuff it does the socialister it is. What about the fact that the bourgeoisie are still the ruling class?
>>2396012They don't have the numbers and are explicitly and constitutionally anti-communist in nature. They will never form a Soviet.
What will happen if they try to wildcat is that the union will be immediately sued, decertified and broken, and the bosses will gleefully replace the union workers with cheaper scabs. Especially since the current federal government is in charge of arbitration.
American trade unions are specifically designed to PREVENT the thing you talk about from happening. It's literally why they exist.
>>2395986>Capitalism is and has been a factor in some of the finest innovations in science and the art that the world has ever produced.hi, /pol/
get rekt, /pol/
>>2396016Wow, real smart guess you're right again. NOthing I said was meant to troll and you being utterly dismissive of the fact that visiting the places and talking to the people who have come from your concept of an ideal goverment means nothing, tell me all I need to know about how to weigh your insights and value your opinions, like Zimbabwean currency. Inflated Ego ass.
>>2396018A dusty little town up the road, one phone for the whole town to use. One post office 100 miles away and the only other people I've seen all fly in black helicopters, strange folk.
>>2395929>>2395957I've read a lot of stuff like this coming from American Jews. The thing is, when they say "the left labels Zionism as white colonialism" and the far right peddles nationalism, "and we are against those things," they're deluding themselves because Zionism is Jewish nationalism. The left focuses on the settler-colonialism part but tends to ignore the intensity of the nationalist component. (I believe this to be a mistake BTW but that's not what I'm arguing about right now.)
To illustrate this: this music video by some Israeli rappers is emblematic of why nationalism is still a relevant force in the world. In the video, there are secular Jewish ravers (recalling the Nova festival) and one guy who looks gay, and also religious Zionists wearing beards and white dress shirts in front of a truck advertising their rabbi (I think it's the chief Sephardic rabbi of Israel?). And these rappers are the lumpen jingo arsim (i.e. gopniks) who are bringing everyone together! Nationalism is a form of social infrastructure that allows disparate, contradictory groups to unite under the same banner. (Then a bunch of dancers in all black come pouring out of shipping containers wearing skull masks over their faces.) You know these guys probably like Orban a lot too, because he's friends with Bibi and supports Israel. Anyways, this refrain is a famous Israeli song from the 1980s about not showing fear, and the bars between the refrain is about why they give zero fucks about what the rest of the world (and especially Roger Waters) thinks and that they're proud of blowing up those beepers. Pretty loud and clear, that.
It's a form of identity politics. But as "ugly" as it looks, this is also much stronger than the liberal centrism as promoted by that @destinationXIX account, because these Jews will fight and kill for it. You can't be a tribalist and also complain about tribalism. You can't complain about campus speech codes and loyalty tests while demanding them for anyone who criticizes Israel. (And then you cry about being afraid?) That's like being a naughty nun.
>>2396024Good shit, just because a concept came from the USSR doesn't mean it's owned by anyone you capitalist pig.
Look at you trying to seize the means of production you little scoundrel. Next you be stating that the sound my ass makes after eating Taco Bell was first produced in France, who gives a fuck its my ass gas now.
You suck at debating and this imageboard is NOT helping you sharpen up.
>>2395979> is on the cutting edge of 1984 Newspeakwe have a vast knowledge in social sciences, yes? linguistics is one of the social science, yes?
your point?
>English is a Germanic based language and thank god for the Black Plague or we would all be speaking that nonsense French language everyday>le bad French language.>imblyyyyiiinnngare you stupid?
>French WAS the language of the bourgeios language of the past, while English was considered the dirty language of the illiterate working class prior to the black plague wiping out the majority of French speaking aristocracy.and Engels and Marx praised Polish nationalism, and look how things have turned.
that the Frenchmen have lost a lot of imperialistic relevancy (except on Africa), that doesn't help your case.
>>2396029I will profile you now. Enjoy the inner rage.
You are White.
Upper Middle Class.
College Educated.
Easy Life.
Dismissive of others because you got a big ol' safety net and you know it, fat little piggy.
OH but please don't let this stop you from your "revolution" I can't wait to hear your name called in the streets after the great things you will surely accomplish with your B.A. and Apple Computer.
>>2396038mixed
working class
didn't want debt so didn't go
have multiple dependents, including children and elderly
no safety net
guessed wrong
>>2396044"Things that never happened for $1000 Alex"
LOL, you're a joke man. If you came to terms with the fact that your lack of problems led you down this path to inventing them, you might pull out of this tailspin and reintegrate into a life you want to live anon. Just stop lying to yourself, you rich, white, loved and cherished fat little piglet.
https://www.racket.news/p/note-on-new-trump-russia-disclosuresNote on New Trump-Russia Disclosures
>As has been rumored all week, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard began releasing documents this afternoon related to intelligence community shenanigans committed in the waning days of Barack Obama’s presidency, before and after the 2016 presidential election. It’s damning stuff that exposes the Trump-Russia hysteria as a complete and utter fake, and should obliterate the reputation of the commercial news media. There is no answer to these documents.
>To take one example, intelligence officials on December 8th, 2016 were prepared to release a Presidential Daily Briefing concluding that “Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure”:
>That “did not impact” memo — exactly the opposite of what the Obama White House would claim a month later — never reached the public, thanks to the intervention of a senior official in Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office:
>On the following day, December 9th, 2016, members of Obama’s National Security Principals Committee — including Clapper, CIA director John Brennan, Susan Rice, John Kerry, Brian McKeon, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, and Avril Haines — gathered for a meeting, after which each received an email titled, “POTUS Tasking on Russia Election Meddling.” The email tasked the members with the creation of a new “assessment per the President’s request.”
>From that moment forward, intelligence officials began leaking “blatantly false” information about a nonexistent “secret assessment” that Russia intervened to influence the “outcome of the election.” This leaking continued unabated until January 6th, when a new, hastily-crafted Intelligence Community Assessment was released, triggering a series of developments that led to the publication of the Steele Dossier and an explosion of media stories linking Trump and Russia in an unprecedented scandal.
>The material is bolstered throughout by explanations of a whistleblower from then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office. Just this handful of documents holds explosive implications, implicating a much bigger pool of White House officials than previously understood, including Obama himself, in what appears to be a top-down effort to create a false narrative about Russia meddling to help Donald Trump. If there’s an analog in American history, I can’t think of it.
>This is a major action taken by Tulsi Gabbard, whose office was earlier reported by Paul Sperry of RealClear Investigations to have hosted an “urgent” meeting in a secure facility last Sunday. They met to discuss “new Russiagate information” with Trump’s Presidential Intelligence Advisory Board as well as officials from the Department of Justice. With this material, she and the rest of this team are taking on a long list of powerful predecessors, and it’s expected she’ll be made the focus of an all-out negative publicity campaign. “Will be a wild ride,” is how one source put it tonight.
>More material is coming. I was working on a different part of this story, about plans for possible charges, when these documents came out this afternoon, so I’ve had to start over. More will be out beginning in the morning. It’s a fascinating moment, and we’ll make sure Racket readers are kept in the loop as new material comes out. Have a good night, everyone. >>2395933tariffs will only work if paired with nationalization and reindustrialization
but that won't work with keeping a high trade deficit which is necessary for maintaining dollar hegemony, and besides, neither party actually wants to nationalize and reindustrialize. They just want to spam tariffs and hope it makes them win.
Free trade will only work with dollar hegemony, but dollar hegemony is dying.
The US bourgeoisie is fucked. They have no good long term strategies and their only short term strategies are war and austerity.
>>2396058Ridicule is a tactic used by fascists in order to be dismissive of problematic information.
Also, /pol/ is the same as this board. Full of hate, infighting and irrational logic. Just like you, project harder anon, project harder. I'm gonna cum.
>>2396052I don't care that you don't believe me. anyone can just make up shit in their head and then double down when the other person refuses to dox themselves.
here. i am going to profile you now:
pedophile
billionaire
rich
cannibal
any attempt to deny this will confirm my belief
>>2396058show me the quote.
protip, doubledare you: no splitting the text.
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