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>>2556292Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2557705Maybe it is a matter of choice in wallpaper for someone like yourself but it may be more for someone else.
>>2557718You are like a machine in your predictability.
>>2557719what do you actually want out of this "conversation"?
>>2557720What do you want?
>>2557722>dodges and reflects the questionyOu aRe lIkE A MaChInE In yOuR PrEdIcTaBiLiTy.
>>2557723It was your preposition. I wouldn't say I want anything no one cares about you. You represent nothing.
>>2557722attack the mode of production and not the trend of consumption
>>2557725you dragged the previous thread's stupidest discussion which i categorically rejected for its irrelevancy into this thread and now you claim nobody cares. noticed.
Critical support for chairman Donald Trump causing food riots and civil war in USA.
>>2557726>you dragged the previous thread's stupidest discussion which i categorically rejected for its irrelevancy into this thread and now you claim nobody cares. noticed.No one cares dude. You're nobody.
>>2557730>Maybe it is a matter of choice in wallpaper for someone like yourself but it may be more for someone else.<No one cares dude. You're nobody.lol the 180 in tone is so obvious. you wanted everyone to care about your pet culture war issue and then when someone gave you a systemic explanation you started pretending like you're the cool guy who doesn't care. weird shit man. if you want to abandon the topic you brought up in the first place that's fine but don't act like you never cared.
>>2557733>lol the 180 in tone is so obvious. you wanted everyone to care about your pet culture war issue and then when someone gave you a systemic explanation you started pretending like you're the cool guy who doesn't care. weird shit man. if you want to abandon the topic you brought up in the first place that's fine but don't act like you never cared.<Systemic explanationMy god, just a braindead response. Nevermind I'm sorry for replying to you.
>>2557734yeah you have nothing to say. you started an argument unprovoked and now you pretend like you don't care about the subject matter. you sought attention, wanted to push buttons, now you're full and you're backing out because you have nothing to actually say. you wanted to whine and bitch and moan and cry that the hip hop minstrel show industrial complex is killing you instead of capitalism, and when someone told you it was capitalism you started crying even harder. and saying you never cared in the first place.
>>2557738you claim it's obvious yet nothing makes you angrier than pointing it out
>>2557739Your response was capitalism.
>>2557741It's all capitalism. That's the point.
>>2557701use fucking google and AI, literally, put in quotemarks his name "xxxx zzzz" and should be it.
>>2557743Why the fuck would I remember the name?
>>2557745I mean, during the case, I don't think they say the name over and over again. They just say: "The Defendant."
>>2557742ok so you agreed with me all along and started a fight for no reason good job.
>>2557750Forgive me, I agree, there is nothing left to say, for after all, all is capitalism.
>>2557755>oh, you didn't learn his name. silly me, I thought you had more interest. then again, that you always arrived late should have hinted me.Yes, I forgot the name of my best friend, the defendant, from a decade ago, how cruel of me.
>>2557752I get the sarcastic point you're making but I asked what you wanted out of the conversation and you pretend like you didn't care instead of taking the opportunity to answer. like i'm trying to wrap my mind around what point you might be trying to make… wow the hip hop industry is an exploitative minstrel show… yes! even rappers themselves say that! Oh what drives it? the demand of suburban white kids allegedly but nobody buys music anymore and demand is induced through advertising and shilling. not only suburban white kids listen to that shit either, that's just a reductive cope.
if the participants in the industry themselves have this same critique, yet continue to participate in said industry, because of the economic incentives, it is clear the problem is not the trend of consumption but the mode of production. this is the part where you call me a robot and say i don't care even though you started the conversation.
>>2557758Ok, now you're finally giving a real answer instead of a purely dismissive answer, and my response is I don't understand your weird reaction to defend bad thing as "oh just effect of capitalism." Yeah every weapon of the capitalist against us is just another "effect of capitalism" so how does that explanation make something benign?
I mean, and is it really too much too push back on this "minstrel" shit? To not have Black Americans be like some primal example of the Id for everyone? It's really disgusting to me no lie.
>>2557765I mean, because, in my experience, Black Americans are just normal people like you and me.
>>2557759>Ok, now you're finally giving a real answer instead of a purely dismissive answeri have not given a single dismissive answer. you are the only one who has been doing that. these are you buddy:
>>2557719>>2557730anyone can scroll up and see i've been putting in all the effort into this conversation you started and you've been on the backpedal.
>and my response is I don't understand your weird reaction to defend bad thingI never defended hip hop i said it's consumption is a byproduct of the mode of production. the closest i will come to defending it is saying that not all hip hop is blaxploitation or romanticization of crime, some of it is critical and not uncritical. if it were all uncritical minstrel show with no critical subtext you wouldn't have hip hop artists themselves constantly pointing out that the music industry pushes them to act like a stereotype. a lot of music becomes a roundabout way to "reach" people and criticize the system but when people don't know how to think critically in the first place they will just mindlessly consume product and even sing the lyrics without understanding the meaning. ironically people who hate the music also do this. they will say "how dare these artists and consumers participate in this exploitative minstrel show!" while not realizing the artists themselves are often making the same damn point.
>Yeah every weapon of the capitalist against us is just another "effect of capitalism" so how does that explanation make something benign?it's not benign but it's more nuanced than you're making it out to be. Like you look at 2pac's lyrics and you see criticism of capitalism, racism, and the music industry, while at the same time he's saying "thug life." So what does that mean to you? Either you get what he was saying by understanding subtext or you are like the people who mindlessly consume/reject the product without assessing its merits and demerits on a case by case basis. That's fine and doesn't really matter since it's a trend of consumption anyway. It's not benign, but it's a secondary effect of a deeper issue. People obsess over immigration, crime, drugs, prostitutes, exploitation, alienation, etc. but they never want to get at the root cause, they just want to seethe reductively. Nobody has enough words to say it all but everyone wants time on the podium. Now I've gone on too long.
I feel like more should be done to link the struggles of the American working class with the struggles of the working class of the rest of the world.
You're all a bunch of faggots
I advocate for the (violent) overthrow of specifically Chuck Schumer
>>2557873A good communist would also use this opportunity as propaganda to show how nazoids always betray their own and that there is a better alternative
reminder that maoism-third worldism is correct
>>2557882If you live in Michigan REDACTED this warcriminal and mentally ill degenerate
>>2557886>degenerateSpooked out of your gourd son
>>2557887Stop fucking and jerking it to animals
>>2557882lmao i could probably actually interview the guy in person in a few weeks.
>>2557865>Being an evil empire.>You privatize everything to leave the stupid, inferior commoners as impoverished as possible.>They become so impoverished that your country runs out of skilled labor.>You need to import skilled foreigners.It happens a lot.
>>2557882Never vote. Liberals run the WOD, liberals will not end the WOD.
>>2557900making other countries pay for your workers education is basically what a lot of companies do if you think about it
>>2557882based
but does he support human genitals being the best genitals or is he a va*sh?
>>2557894he a furry not a borny big diff
>>2557914>He doesn't fuck children he is just weirdly proud about being attracted to children and dresses himself as a child that he would love to fuck big difflol
>>2557916xi pang is a furry and sent his furry spyies, or he's psl.
>>2557909Trump unironically working backwards to “pure” neoliberalism, but retarded. By his third year in office he’s gonna talk about how rich free trade agreements will make us.
>>2557915he claim that someone "is just weirdly proud about being attracted to children" while distinguishing furries from bronies doesn’t just miss the mark—it dangerously conflates two entirely unrelated subjects and spreads harmful misinformation. Here’s why:
The furry fandom is centered around anthropomorphic animal characters (animals with human traits, like talking or walking upright). It’s a creative community focused on art, costumes (fursuits), storytelling, and socializing—not zoophilia or pedophilia. Accusing furries of bestiality or child predation is like claiming gamers are inherently violent because some play first-person shooters.
The statement tries to draw a distinction between furries and bronies (My Little Pony fans) but veers into defending nonexistent "pride in child attraction." Neither group has any inherent ties to illegal or abusive acts. Fandom ≠ Crime. Bundling fandoms with grotesque labels like pedophilia only demonizes innocent people and distracts from actual predators, who exist in every community, online or offline.
If someone is openly expressing harmful attractions—to children, animals, or otherwise—that’s a criminal and ethical issue that should be reported to authorities. But linking this to furries, bronies, or any fandom is baseless and harmful. Communities shouldn’t be scapegoated for individual pathology.
Stop conflating creative subcultures with abuse. Furries create art, build supportive communities, and raise millions for charity (e.g., Anthrocon’s donations). Defending them doesn’t require downplaying unrelated crimes—it requires refusing to let bigotry redefine a fandom built on imagination and mutual respect.
>>2557922I don't care for your cope, furtard. I don't care if they create art or "raise" millions by collecting money from others. Your war criminal hero wants to fuck animals and is proud of it.
>>2557915You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
>>2557882The state of “communists” in America when they fallow after freaks that AES states would have killed multiple times over
>>2557940moved the goalposts real quick on that one didn't you lol
>>2557940Israeli argument
>>2557944I’m not the one desperately trying to portray some Nazi pedo as the next best hope for communism because he posts outdated maymays
>>2557945>China is le Israel because their culture isn’t a cosmopolitan degenerate parody of itselfHoly shit the absolute state of this board. This place really is just a Bluesky colony, nothing but a collection of social rejects from the west who think communism is some massive drug fueled orgy and relentlessly support the strengthening of their Reich at the expense of the periphery. Unapologetic liberalism reigns supreme
>>2557953Then leave and stop shitting up the board with your trad faggotry. You’re a weird racist reactionary that fetishizes other cultures without even knowing anything about those cultures.
>>2557953Why are you seething so hard? I'm not calling the Chinese spiritually Israeli, that was addressed for you. Because if you unironically reify nations and use 10 billion year old culture as an excuse for anything you are Israeli. I bet you're a burger too because those are just about the only people who think about China and the US in this fashion
>>2557953>the whole website is the 1 person i'm arguing with right now, which is also another website, which is also this unrelated set of opinions nobody has brought upnot the anon, just noting that is a weird extrapolation to make
>>2557959>racism is when you take exception to USAnos equating the traditions of a culture tens of thousands of years old with western pomo zoophilia Reminder that this all started over leftysky fags trying to shill another Platner with added paraphilias
>>2557867reminder this guy was al qaeda and this is who they replaced assad with
reminder that it doesn't matter if the people they're couping aren't perfect, they're always replacing them with someone even worse
>>2557953pol tourist thought he found his people, he was wrong
>>2557874yeah but you're not talking to a communist, you're talking to the resident Nick shill
>>2557962Holy shit platnerfag just kill yourself already. Nobody cares about this guy on this website, it's good to know that you're also a vicarious Chinese nationalist. Did you join like a month ago?
>>2557967not him but there were several people viciously defending platner, like "Normal Adult Marxist" they simply stfu after losing the argument.
>>2557968They've already been debunked so screaming about imperialist nazi burgers who support literally blackwater hitler is incredibly irritating. Especially paired with third-worldism and nationalist nonsense.
>>2557965Where did you assert that I like Nick or any other of these nazoids from this
>A good communist would also use this opportunity as propaganda to show how nazoids always betray their own and that there is a better alternative >>2557969we went from
>nobody cares about that guyto
>ok actually people did care about that guy but they were debunked so stop talking about it even though another veteran is now being shilled >>2557971I didn't say you liked Nick, I said the guy you were replying to liked Nick. learn to read.
>>2557975You were implying I like the guy by talking like him whatever the fuck that means, retard. So answer my question
>>2557964It’s a sad state of affairs when OG leftypol users are being denounced as “pol” for having takes uncontroversial among any communist except the delusional LARPers of the imperial core. Do you even know what the “pol” in leftypol stands for? I do, it stands for POLITICALLY INCORRECT. Leftypol was unique because it was one of the only self proclaimed communist spaces on the internet not completely dominated by tumblr idpol nonsense and other Frankfurt School crap that actual Marxists have been fighting against for decades. A decade ago making fun of a fursuit wearing leftist would have been completely uncontroversial
>>2557976No, I said you were talking TO a guy who liked nick, not talking LIKE nick. Holy shit you can't even read. I already told you twice. The resident fuentes worshipper posted his daily tweet screenshot and you replied to him saying what a good communist would do in this situation. I then told you that you weren't talking TO a communist, but the resident fuentes shill.
Read the original sentence very slowly one word at a time:
<yeah but you're not talking to a communist, you're talking to the resident Nick shillI never said you were talking "like" anyone. You are borderline illiterate.
>>2557974There was a single guy who posted about him and platnerfag went on a thingnoticer tier rant about western degeneracy in response
>>2557977you need to go back
>>2557985maybe both shilling US vets and ranting about muh degeneracy are reactionary
>>2557977> Frankfurt SchoolToo obvious
>>2557987Being allergic to leftist military veterans is a uniquely modern neurosis. Socialists in generations past embraced them as an indispensable part of the struggle. Really seems like petty moralism to reject them.
>>2557984Ah my bad. I stand corrected.
>>2557987I don't particularly care about vet status. The reason why I reject candidates like that is for a better reason, namely that they are democrats which is a lot more damning
>>2557994You should also care about their vet status especially when they're proud of it like the creepy furry or the literal nazi
>>2557996>You should also care about their vet status Again, only in 2025 would being a veteran be a barrier to acceptance by the left.
>>2557983How can we even begin to compete. Even their furries are BETTER.
>>2557997>IT'S LITERALLY 2025Okay, lib but I don't want child killers in my midst.
>>2558000>Cossacks refuse to disperse the crowd of protestors, thus initiating the February Revolution<Oh wow okay libs, I guess you're okay with there being baby killers on your sidet. You probably
Again, during the heydey of the communist movement they actively sought out veterans to recruit for reasons that should be obvious. This moralistic rejection on the basis of veteran status alone is a new innovation by an impotent movement more concerned with purity spiraling than being effective. Being a democrat is far more damning than having been in the military.
>>2558000you think national guardsmen kill children? this furry kid prolly does 2 weeks a year of work max
>>2557992American police and millitary arent even drafted. They actually want to kill babies. Therefore they are anti-Communist rightoid influences and must be purged.
>>2557994to be a veteran in the US means to be a volunteer imperialist in a country that only does asymmetrical occupations and bombing campaigns of developing ex colonies for the purposes of regime change, not a drafted prole kidnapped off the street and thrown into a trench. So yes it is usually a good shorthand.
>>2558002Yes. During BLM they killed many people because ameriKKKan pigs are terrorists
>>2558001I don't care for your justification of having rapists and child murderers lead you, shitlib. You have done this same argument for the other nazoid and were still wrong. We live in different times from previous revolutions. It is after all LITERALLY 2025 like you said.
>>2557997>>2558001see
>>2558004it's not "cossacks in WW1" it's a completely different situation. also when it came to protesters the cossacks were used more like riot police than like imperialist occupiers of other countries. yes it is nice when cops do dereliction of duty and refuse to crush protesters but that doesn't make them automatically on your side, they have their own set of interests and there should be much more skepticism rather than blindly supporting any cop or troop who does "leftist" aesthetics which usually don't amount to much in the US and are very easy to fake.
>>2558002>you think national guardsmen kill Yeah? There is historic precedent for that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings >>2558001Until the Communist Party build Red Army, veterans are bourgeois and bad. There is no way around this. The good Communist Parties had reason to recruit veterans becauae they buult army but even still they recruit almost exclusively worker peasants
>>2558003>>2558006Lenin made constant appeals to soldiers but never once did he distinguish between conscripts and volunteers. We should assess people on the basis of their utility to the movement. Rejecting a useful person because they did something you have a moral objection to is petty moralism by definition. You can trot out the "baby killer" trope all you want, but let's be honest here, your objection isn't to actual murder or rape but military service in general. Otherwise you'd be perfectly willing to at the very least accept people who were in non-combat positions or never went on a combat deployment. You're just saying "murderers and rapists" do give a flimsy moral justification for rejecting anybody who was in the military, something actually successful communist movements have literally never done.
>>2558004There are no moral armies anywhere
>>2558003I've given these same anons that same distinction many times and I think they are willfully ignorant at this point. They keep repeating the "mistake" of treating a drafted prole in WW1 as the same as US veterans who willingly went to Iraq to crush the Iraqi people based on a campaign of obvious lies. It's telling.
They always fall back on "it's necessary strategy to win"
Win what? A slightly more benevolent empire?
>>2558010Can you show evidence of this? Show me where Lenin said babykillers are human
Lenin allowed the literal known Okhrana agent Roman Malinovsky run amok in the party because he put in good work, what makes you nerds think volunteer soldiers can't also be let in if they put in good work? because we're too pure? get a grip
>>2558009>Until the Communist Party build Red Army, veterans are bourgeois and bad.Lenin's "Appeal to Soldiers of All Belligerent Countries" was published in April of 1917, before the establishment of the Red Army. Again, he makes no distinction between conscripts and volunteers.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/20e.htm >>2558011Wrong. Hamas has moral army. Communist China has moral army
>>2558011the word moral wasn't used, I am talking about the strategic interests of such people. They volunteer to crush foreign proles rather than their own bourgeoisie. Then they turn around and run for bourgeois office and you think supporting them is worth it because it will give you their very special skill or they won't betray you when the time comes.
Here's a thought, maybe people here should actually be out there organizing to advance communism in America instead of just fighting with each other over whether furries are bourgeois degeneracy or not. Most vets are indeed trash and that is a valid take, however I rarely if ever see anybody talking about what they're doing and instead just decrying the state of "the left" while occasionally going on a tangent about how great China is. So why dont we make this productive: what have you done in the past week or so to advance communism in America?
>>2558017>They volunteer to crush foreign proles rather than their own bourgeoisie.If you reject anybody who was once a non-communist and behaved as such you'll have a very small party indeed.
>>2558010Again. We live in different times from Lenin. The people there were illiterate peasants living under a monarchical system in a civil war who were forced to join the military or die. Amerikkka has no such system. You are demanding communists get behind your favourite proud child rapist because they deserve a nice office in the empirial core working speaking for the shitlib pary. Therefore you are a shitlib and you should kys.
>>2558015>>2558015Thats because ww1 was happening. This today would be lenin exposing ameriKKKans and calling on everyone to smash all ameriKKKan millitary occupying their nation
>>2558014They didn't know he was a glowie though, still not voting for Platner
>>2558019Active and former "Armed Services" are only 7% of the population. I am not bending over backwards for such people any more than I am bending over backwards for cops. 93% of people is more than enough.
And here's the thing, right? I've said this before. I don't mind when veterans join the left. But they have to mean it, and they deserve way more skepticism. And when I say joining the left, I don't mean running for office under a bourgeois party and demanding votes and uncritical support.
>>2558015>Again, he makes no distinction between conscripts and volunteers.he doesn't need to because the vast majority of russian soldiers were conscripts, unlike in the USA where every single soldier is a volunteer since after Vietnam
>>2558023Not true. The Mensheviks exposed him as early as 1913. Everyone knew he was an agent, but because the accusations were coming from the political enemies of the Bolsheviks, Lenin found it practical to defend Malinovsky as he was his parties strongest orators. Lenin didn't let a silly thing like ideological purity step in the way of revolution which is why he's head and shoulders above anyone else
Once again I can just go up to the guy IRL and ask him questions about their view on imperialism and the like and ask if they would be in favor of reparations for what the US has done
>>2558028
>are barely literate proles
They have all the ressources in the world available at their finger tips to not become rapists and child killers. They are not forced into this. They don't live in a civil war. They don't go to prison for not serving. They don't lose out by not killing arabs as a hobby. You are a shitlib and you should kill yourself.
>>2558028
>America has a soft conscription system wherein basic services which are denied to the vast majority of the population are made available through the military. Poverty is by far the largest motivating factor for people joining.
We've been over this before. Studies show that a person from a petty bourgeois home-owning family with a middle class income is more likely to volunteer for the military or become a cop than a deeply impoverished person. The soft conscription argument only applies in places where the military is the only job, like American Samoa. Even in an all volunteer system, only 7% of the population volunteer for the military in a society where way more people are impoverished. This argument is always dragged out in bad faith to defend joining and crushing people who are even more impoverished.
>>2558030>They have all the ressources in the world available at their finger tips to not become rapists and child killers.Ah yes, America, the land famous for all the benevolent opportunities and social mobility offered to the working class! See its statements like this which really expose moral purists as out of touch which what being poor is actually like.
>>2558034instead of replying to the obvious troll reply to this instead
>>2558032 >>2558032>Studies show that a person from a petty bourgeois home-owning family with a middle class income is more likely to volunteer for the military or become a cop than a deeply impoverished person.That doesn't debunk my statement at all. There are far more poor people in America, ergo they still make up the majority of the military even if proportionally they are less likely to join. All this says is that the middle and upper classes are overrepresented, not that they're the majority of the soldiers.
>>2558033They don't live isolated from other people is my point you retard. They have the internet and many other viable options like videos to not get into murder as a hobby like accept and wish to happen
>>2558034Do they have not have the internet, schools and various clubs to not engage with killing children you brainlet
Rank and file grunts in the army I trust. as the ranks progress that trust recedes and officers+ I don't trust at all. There's a big difference between going to boot camp and going to West Point
>>2558040Do you actually believe that working class Americans have decent social mobility? Be honest.
>>2558037you didn't quote the second part of my post which pre-empts your "counter" argument:
The soft conscription argument only applies in places where the military is the only job, like American Samoa. Even in an all volunteer system, only 7% of the population volunteer for the military in a society where way more people are impoverished. This argument is always dragged out in bad faith to defend joining and crushing people who are even more impoverished.
There is no excuse. I grew up raised by a single disabled old woman and I didn't choose to join the military at the height of GWOT propaganda because to me, it was just America looking for an excuse to crush a bunch of arabs for oil. If I can figure that out when a teenager 20 years ago, without needing to be particularly smart, educated, or privileged, then so can most people, and most people indeed do not choose to join the police or the armed forces. In fact, I think ending the draft has actually postponed revolution and if most US soldiers were drafted rather than volunteer we would be in a much more revolutionary situation, and the army would be rife with mutiny and fragging.
>>2558043You're moving the goalposts right now and not fully answering the question. How do you find yourself thinking killing Arabs is fun without info, but you won't inform yourself on anything else in the world or even your country? The majority of LE WORKING CLASS (even the illiterate ones your desperetaly want for your demokkkkratic liberal party)doesn't think killing and raping people is fun. How do you
So Jon Stewart was calling out the Dems for caving during the shutdown, and even some lib family and friends I got have been talking about removing their Democrat voter registration. Unironically my mom, who’s sweet as can be but way too charitable to the Dems, has been calling Schumer a coward and saying “we need more socialists like Mamdani”
Honestly l think some folks should be taking time to chat with their lib friends and maybe ease them into alternatives, shit even the DSA.
>>2558057Baby steps. The normies need to be warmed up with the DSA. Then, while in the DSA, they will interact with the communists within the org who form their own radical caucuses (as well as become frustrated with the ineffectual reformism over time) and they will eventually inevitably go from "wine mom liberal" to "Stalin did nothing wrong".
We're doing "incrementalism" but for the proletarian development of consciousness :) That's how Lenin got the masses to radicalize. You have to SHOW them why things are fucked, you can't just TELL them. Walk them through the same process you went through, let them get frustrated and realize themselves What Is To Be Done.
>>2558057>>2558063the situation is excellent. and just in time for ww3 too
>>2558049>Honestly l think some folks should be taking time to chat with their lib friends and maybe ease them into alternatives, shit even the DSA.Are any of you even members of any socialist parties? I can't in good conscience suggest them to my friends/family without being in one myself but I don't really have confidence in any of the existing parties.
On that note, which party is the friendliest to China? I'll just tell people to join that one so they'll be in Xi's good graces when America collapses.
>>2557949Why do rightoids love pedophile child rapists so much? 🤔
>>2558069I've been in cpusa for a few years and while it's frustrating at times how libbish it all is its been keeping me tied to real politics, esp. locally
>>2557900slow motion crash. they set up all of that 50 years ago to destroy the USSR. probably thinking "meh, let the problems for the future be solved by the future generations". they didn't consider the
Chynah factor in the equation.
>>2558049>shit even the DSA.You would only bring them back to the Demokkkratic party that way
>>2558071The hierarchical one-way power dynamic between a vulnerable child and a predatory adult is the right-wing societal ideal.
>>2558069You gotta just tell people to vibe with the DSA. It's the best and most attended leftist org here, all the others are just too small to do anything. And also, being realistic, we're all communists lmao. Like, everyone wants a classless stateless society eventually. That's communism. Just because they're "democratic socialists" and not calling themselves communists outright doesn't mean shit anymore. The ones that aren't "hxc zomg ultra radical violent commies" will come around when need be (coughcivilwarcough).
The thing about the DSA though is it's an
actual org so it requires participation. Which means because most people are followers, most people will be bored. The proles with conscientiousness and energy for that kind of thing should be welcome though.
What I really think most "radicalization primed proles" need is someone to push them generally leftward, and have fun things for them to do with other socialists in general. Literally to socialize with leftists in general. Take your gen x friend out to the gay bar and get them chatting with the inevitable group of commies that are there. The socialist scene in New York is a great example. The cliques that form around ideology are very clear, friend groups are defined around belief systems naturally, and so you just got a introduce more proles into the zeitgeist, tap them into cliques of their peers that are socialist and that will radicalize them faster than anything.
Is anyone else wondering why there isn't on mass protests about AI yet, other then that writter strike a while ago there isnt much. Even brainwashed proles see its gonna replace their labor so im wondering
>>2558082there are protests around the resource wasting from AI, but not around job loss, because a lot of the jobs "lost" to AI get rehired very quickly after realizing AI is vaporware with low quality control. AI is a bubble, and mostly bullshit, especially in the US, and most of the "profit" from AI is renting hardware and stealing public electricity/water, rather than exploitation of variable capital (labor power). When there is a gold rush, you sell shovels. That is why Nvidia is the biggest market cap company. Because they are selling the chips.
>>2558049>Jon Stewart was calling out the Dems for caving during the shutdown>some…have been talking about removing their Democrat voter registrationthe
really? what are they going to do? vote third party? meme is dying 😭
gentlemen I need some advice
cheggs stocks are currently 1 dollar. I want to buy these stocks.
Researching it seems these stocks went down officially because of ai. unofficially it looks like covid 19 causing lockdowns and people to stay at home was the reason why stocks were so high in the first place, then it went down.
Im betting that in the next crisis, cheggs stocks might go up again and thus i gain uber profits. But im worried that the chegg ai blaming might be kinda right and thus i lose everything. People focus on ai instead of cheggs during the next crisis.
What do i do bros.
>>2558082It’s because it’s impacting the tech sector mainly. As someone thats tried unionizing those nerds, I can confidently say they have negative class consciousness. They rather roll over and die than even lift a finger against capitalism.
>>2558086hold and buy some bots to shill cheggs on reddit
>>2558085I legit have seen so much push back to “the dems are trying their best, don’t split the party!!!” Shit online. Way more than before.
>>2558086you could gamble on the privatization of America's education system boosting chegg's stock price but I kinda doubt it'll ever reach COVID levels of use again. especially with AI making it pretty easy to replicate their business model for much lower startup cost. like you can literally put up a ChatGPT interface on a shitty playstore app and have it tutor kids for a fraction of the cost, which means the private sector is going to opt for that instead of "human" tutors since they don't actually care about quality.
I would suggest buying stocks in companies specializing in home foreclosures pretty soon tbh because shit's about to get rough.
>>2558082decades of cointelpro, anti-communism, anti-union/union busting/union infiltration (AFL-CIA) caused this.
>>2558094>I would suggest buying stocks in companies specializing in home foreclosures pretty soon tbh because shit's about to get rough.Like which
>>2558101the drv might be a good bet but its based on economic crash of the housing market
>>2558100 >>2558103“Muh Epstein” has to be the nothingburger to end all nothingburgers. American politicians and billionaires regularly engage in the kind of debauchery that Epstein is accused of and worse at functions like Bohemian Grove, but you never see liberals demanding an investigation into them or Skull and Bones
>>2558103that, and the many articles that dropsite has published revealing that confirms that j.e. was an mossad asset because:
>j.e. made a diplomatic back channel between USA/catalizer-Israel/Russia, amid Syrian civil war.>j.e. helped israel to sell a surveillance state to Côte d'Ivoire>j.e. brokered a security agreement between israel and Mongolia>j.e. hosted for weeks an israeli spy in his home.and that the media isn't talking about it's because I assume the pressure point has reached to situation that can spiral out of control.
in the end, we'll get GTA 6 before all the epstein files.
>>2558103what does "dog that hasn't barked" mean in this case? that trump didn't snitch on epstein?
>>2558049We have to remind the Democrats that we are where we are BECAUSE of the 4 years of the FAILED Biden administration. We already did this whole 4 years of Trump thing once. Then the Dems got their 2020, what will be our 2028, then THEY DID NOTHING TO STOP TRUMP FROM GETTING IN AND DOING WHAT HE IS DOING NOW! This is their fucking fault. Don't let them live that down. Imagine AGGRESSIVELY WAITING for 4 years to get your turn again. You get it, do nothing, and SUFFER THE SAME PROBLEM ALL OVER AGAIN!
The left isn't hammering this point home enough. So we're just going to do Biden 2.0 in 2028?
NO! HEY, HEY! HO, HO! THE DNC HAS GOT TO GO!
>>2558111Yeah, reading the rest of the letters, I think it's that he didn't denounce Epstein or whatever.
>The other newly released email exchanges are between Epstein and author Michael Wolff, who has written four books chronicling the Trump presidency. Wolff has said he spoke to Epstein at length about Trump during his reporting for the books.
>"I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you–either on air or in scrum afterwards," Wolff wrote to Epstein in December 2015, six months after Trump had officially entered the race for the White House.PHOTO: Michael Wolff With Alec Baldwin On Donald Trump: All or Nothing
>"If we were to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be?" Epstein replied.
>"I think you should let him hang himself," Wolff replied the next day. "If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or, if it really looks like he could win, you could save him, generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that, when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime." >>2558109it serves a good purpose. you can use it to spam everywhere where maga clowns lurk:
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES, DOWN WITH THE PEDOCRACY, and you can see them seething.
>>2558109>Bohemian GroveWhat exactly do you mean, I have never heard anything about that one other than from hysterical fundies raving about devil worship, and that famous Nixon comment about how faggy the whole thing is.
>>2558114And remember during the 2024, the best argument the Democrats had was:
>Umm akshually the economy isn't bad because our country is doing better than most Western economies right now>Umm akshually, Biden and the Dems in congress did get a lot done, you just didn't hear about it because of the Trump controlled news media>Saying Biden did nothing or is responsible for inflation is Russian disinformation Chud. >>2558104>I hope- Well that’s the point… uhh, you know the question is if somebody- look, again…Hmm
>>2558109I think this has to do with 95% of the public having no idea wtf those are and having come out decades ago when itbwas more common to just dismiss it, while the Epstein shit was recent and had all the most suspicious shit aired on tv
>White House officials have advised the president not to brush away or outright dismiss that Americans are feeling squeezed by rising prices, they said. They have been actively putting “policy time” — as one of the officials characterized it — on Trump’s schedule with the goal of accelerating the administration’s efforts to tackle inflation.
>>2558123Do they really think this is a good look for them
so trump is pretty much a lame duck at this point, republicans will get slaughtered in the midterms. maga coalition wont hold for vance because he doesnt have trumps charisma and is kind of a dork. gavin or whoever will most likely win in 2028 and we will go back to the obama years meta of wokeness while the economy crumbles and you'll get gaslit and told you need to sit down and shut up and the economy is doing great by the media. then in 2032 a republican will win again.
Round and round we go…….
>>2558140Would be nice if some socialist/communist parties got their name out there during the midterms
>>2558132Israel doesn't use child sex slaves to blackmail American politicians, this well-known pedophile just happens to be a Zionist because he loves God's Chosen People.
>>2558132He's obviously being sarcastic if you know his recent posting history.
>>2558141CPUSA won some local elections. I think the path to some level of power is local > state > national. That’s what Bernie did, I think. Socialists need to make some gains locally before they start moving up nationally.
>>2558135i've said this several times but they cannot maintain american currency hegemony and "tackle inflation" at the same time, because american currency hegemony depends on a growing debt. it depends on america exporting more currency (i.e. buying more stuff) than commodities (i.e. selling more stuff). American monetary imperialism paradoxically depends on its balloon trade deficit, which depends on money pritner go brrrr, which causes inflation. The richest 10% of Americans do 50% of the spending, and that spending is encouraged to continue through inflation, which is a tax on purchasing power of the US dollar, which disproportionately effects those who spend most of their income on necessities. Poverty and inflation is built into the system. There is no way for the administration to "tackle" what is a feature and not a bug. Incidentally, this is the same reason Trump can't reindustrialize, even if he wants to. I can go into several nuances on that but nobody cares.
>>2558145You can still go national since people are searching for actual alternatives right now. Doesn't matter if you actually win or not. You're not there to become part of the capitalist process anyway.
>>2558151they don't care or in fact think he's based
this was all known about him even when he ran against hilldawg. he grabs 'em by the pussy because he's rich and famous and he can do that
>>2558148Problem is resources in my opinion, most socialist parties are funded by membership and you wanna use those resources correctly. If you run nationally and consistently lose you just carry the stink of losing.
>>2558155You have maybe a once in a lifetime opportunity to get your name out in this. IF your party is able to you should do it. Of course I'm not gonna advocate putting yourself into bankruptcy if you're not.
>>2558155I think the most effective method would be something closer to what the Dems did in 2018 and 2020: fundraise money nationally to fund local/state races that seem winnable. specifically focusing on races where both the dem and rep candidates are unpopular like the NYC mayoral election. there's a lotta money in California or New York that would go a long way electing left-wing candidates in smaller states to build some kind of coalition.
it might honestly be smart to just shill the DSA or some other org on reddit/xitter any time people complain about the dems, with a donation link or something for readers to voice distaste for dems. of course reddit mods will ban you but whatever. this is what the dems did to campaign against Trump during his first term, constantly using whatever scandals as an opportunity to beg for money.
I know it sounds grifty but American politics really is just about money and if you want to play electoral politics thats your only option. Of course electoralism is bullshit but I'm just responding to the idea of "creating a viable third party" in what I think would be the most viable way.
American people were literally starved so MAGA could prevent public from seeing Epstein files and Trumps name all over them.
>>2558155CPUSA should go full AMLO. Run a guy who travels and listens everyone's problems, proposes solutions to those communities, and tries over and over.
>>2558162sorry buddy, this is the party of Joe Simms, not the party of Eugene Debs
>>2558088what could go wrong
unlimited platnerite holocaust
>>2558132>Matt GaetzAnother fucking pedophile prostitute-mongerer, go groom some more teenagers you fucking dog cunt.
>>2558174He got honey potted by mossad
>>2558171Blame on transhumanist or go to war with vuvuzela
>>2558173I think they actually forgot this was going to happen if they turned on the government again. If there isn’t any more caving, they’re fucked.
>>2557735>Amerikkka la$tTRVEMAGA 🤝 JDPONDON
>>2558175For what, sucking Israeli cock too hard? Israeli cum was leaking out of his nostrils before, during and after his pedobourg escapades were made public.
>>2557735I'm reading it three times and I don't get what the fuck is "Tcare" (to avoid the $crap)
Like, what the fuck, burgers will have to go to Walmart to choose a doctor?
>>2558190it's the middleman issue. Americans, in order to get to a doctor, they need to see first a person that will chose the doctor for them. This adds some costs, and are part of the insurance scheme to get more money.
I don't think trump will do it, because some angry people in Wall Street will se they stocks down.
>>2557735>They're going to feel like entrepreneursThat's exactly what I want to feel like when I'm signing up for health coverage
>They're actually able to go out and negotiate their own health insuranceAhhh exactly like all other insurance. Yupp that's how it is when I shop for home insurance or car insurance, I enter into personal negotiations with the company with all the leverage I have as an individual consumer.
>>2558190>>2558195Are you guys reading something that's not there? None of the pics in that post were talking about shopping for a doctor. He is just suggesting that the government will write you a check to spend on health insurance, and then you will just go buy an unsubsidized plan, instead of however the ACA subsidies work now. So instead of going on the current ACA marketplace, and seeing the subsidized rate, they'll just give you the money, the insurance companies will charge you full price, then you spend whatever the amount of this voucher on it. That is what he seems to be saying. It's pretty much exactly like the school voucher thing is what it sounds like.
>>2558199I heard the rumor in the capitol is that she was intending to run for senator in Georgia but Trump axed it and she has been pissed ever since then. Maybe she thinks "Well maybe I'll go for your job then". How popular is she with rightoids?
>>2558197Oh hey look at that
>>2558198 It call me Louis Auguste Blanqui and a classical marxist
https://www.visegrad24.com/political-compass>>2558199She would unironically be a lesser evil compared to Trump or KKKamala.
>>2558202she is playing the same populism card trump did in 2016, i dont know how popular shit is on the right but there is a certain "trump has failed we need a real populist or outsider" this time thing in the air. I also see rightoids telling massie or rand paul to run
I dont know how strong a movement for them would be
>>2558204>visegrad24The Polish government has a political compass test? Curious…
>>2558198Yknow given the central role Epstein has in Q-anon theories I can’t think of anything dumber than trying to pass it off to Trump’s base as a hoax. He would’ve been better off telling people that there was evidence files were destroyed during the Biden admin and they found semen samples from Hunter Biden or something.
>>2558209The Q shit has pretty much fizzled out tbh. Now it's just straight MAGA cultism where they slavishly worship whatever the president does and dont come up with cope or excuses because how dare you imply that Trump isn't the greatest president ever. It's a whole different kind of delusion from the QAnon schizos
>>2558220the worse the better
>>2558201I just explained how the system works right now:
>>2558195. I assume, yes, that's what he's proposing. so basically the same thing, but you pick the insurance instead of the company you work for doing that for you? basically the same shit, tbh.
but I think, this is bureaucratic nightmare.
there's a reason why almost always you work with large companies first, then you go down the river, i.e. tax collection.
there is a giga collapse coming and the usa has no vanguard party!
>>2558225Doesn’t need one.
>>2557916This is the representative democracy I was promised.
>>2558224>I assume, yes, that's what he's proposing. so basically the same thing, but you pick the insurance instead of the company you work for doing that for you? basically the same shit, tbh.No you don't get it. The ACA was created for people who can't get their insurance through their employer. He is talking about getting rid of the ACA exchanges like what the Dems are shutting the government down over. The prices will go back to their unsubsidized rates like all the Dems are warning of right now. But now you will instead get a voucher to spend on the new unsubsidized, full-price rate, and he's selling this as a good thing because the insurance companies will be more competitive in the free market without the direct subsidies.
Shopping for a doctor is a completely different matter. Are you underage? Have you ever used insurance? Your insurance company will give you a long list of what doctors are in their network and you go out and get your own doctor.
>>2558223Oh and dont forget the H1B shit too, many more things I'm sure I'm forgetting. 2 dollars/gallon gas that keeps being promised but never arrives. Economy is better than ever guys who cares if shit costs 3-4 times what it cost 5 years ago, you dont know how to budget well, inflation 3% (insert econobabble bullshit from the high-priests of the bourgeoisie here)
>>2557953>This place really is just a Bluesky colonyis this general in specific
>>2558204I got János Kádár and it said I’m a Market Socialist. Not sure why though, I basically said everything should be nationalized and the rich should of be heavily taxed, is it one of those “a real communist would say the rich shouldn’t be taxed cause there are no rich people under communism” type deals?
Either way, I looked the dude up. Apparently a lot of Hungarians like him.
>>2558225it has two meme vanguard parties
>>2558204i refuse to click on that polish hitlerite website
We are in a bubble ! But the nice aspect is that we are building compute and energy infrastructure which is bringing down the cost for everyone and improving industries. Bubbles are musical chairs where the last ones without a chair (those who last bought the shares) are the ones suffering the loss, so we can expect people losing a lot of money. The main problem is that it's going to bring to an abrupt halt the growth of the USA and western countries and the ripple in economy are not going to be good. Bad times are coming … Worse times will follow … And then everything is going to be better.
>>2558239these retards are fighting for the hearts and minds of a dozen thousand psychotic fucks and geriatric drool machines, disgusting spectacle of bottom-feeding worms. they will eat each other in time.
>>2558245>But the nice aspect is that we are building computethis is a net loss, compute is a depreciating asset and in 5 years half of the GPUs currently under operation will be in a landfill somewhere in utah
>and energy infrastructure>bringing down the cost for everyone and improving industries.fell for it again award
>Bubbles are musical chairs where the last ones without a chair (those who last bought the shares) are the ones suffering the loss, so we can expect people losing a lot of money.this bubble is different because the winner could very well be in china. we live in unprecedented times because the US does not retain the monopoly of hi-tech industry for the first time in 200 years, this may collapse the entire tech sector forever.
>>2558242ok but what is the purpose of the screenshot from the 35 year old anime
>>2558205why? they are all part of the same party
>>2558251this meme was sourced from the deepest proletarian trenches of Mexico
FUCK bad empanada by the way that guy fucking sucks shit. The most armchair leftcom youtube spectacle faggot I've ever had the displeasure of learning of their existence. De-facto complaint grifter with nothing to offer, only bitching.
>>2558237>basically said everything should be nationalized and the rich should of be heavily taxed, is it one of those “a real communist would say the rich shouldn’t be taxed cause there are no rich people under communism” type deals?No, because I also put that in as well. Definitely something else that got you that result.
>>2558243Fair
>>2558257wrong thread. you meant to post this here
>>2005272 >>2558233I agreed with you. where I said:
>but you pick the insurance instead of the companyit's what you are saying here:
>now you will instead get a voucher to spend on the new unsubsidized, full-price rate, and he's selling this as a good thing because the insurance companies will be more competitive in the free market without the direct subsidies. of course, I left the part where he aims to erase the subsidize, because I am not doing a full effort-post on the subject.
>Your insurance company will give you a long list of what doctors are in their network and you go out and get your own doctor.yeah, that's the ACA marketplace, yes. not exactly
your own doctor only the doctors the insurances offer. which has been always a problem, because doctors can overcharge you, the insurance overcharges you for doing that 'job', instead of paying to any doctor the beneficiary picks.
so yes, when I say, it'll be the same shit it's because the system will work the same, except the people will believe they are choosing a better healthcare system.
>>2558259Huh, I really can’t be sure what it’d be then. I was mostly neutral on cultural values so I can understand getting the cultural centrist thing, but when it comes to the economic stuff I was pretty heavy on more state power. Maybe it factored in not wanting a surveillance state as part of it? Dunno.
I’ll probably retake the test when I get home and see if I get the same result.
>>2558234>inflation 3%heh, people should grab everyday products they buy, write down the price, and check one year later, each year.
one they fill in enough note books, bury every CNN/Fox/CBS/CNBC/ABC economics pundit under the tons of evidence that they are lying.
>>2558203you know the poll its bullshit, when the questions are as contradictory as this one:
>>2558249>It claims the Zapatistas are an example of Luxemburgism in practice, which I'm…not sure is entirely accurateIt probably isn’t, but I can see the correlation with worker and soldier councils.
>>2558268True
>>2558234Trumps cunning was basically pointing out “inflation slowed” isn’t anything to boast about and his undoing is trying to do the MAGA version of “vibecession”
>>2558263we've degeneralized, also the complete retards who copy his thought process flood this thread with spittle and drool. This is the internet, and I want them to know that they're mongoloids
>>2558262>disorienting and randomits not that deep
>>2558199>MAGA will splinter into a million piecesThis is democrat thinking. Democrats have been saying this for decades
>>2558280MAGA actually will break apart (DT dying will make sure of that at the very least) but only to be replaced with bloodcurdling outright violent reaction.
>>2558272>>2558270I saw that little chuckle generating gem earlier as well.
>>2558278Fair. I had a dummy prepped though.
>>2558274neva forgetti when Democrats decided to reinvent what a recession was to claim the economy was doing bigly doubleplusgood. Jobs report blah blah blah interest rates blah blah blah
>>2558281they come here to steal research and do spy stuff, which I totally support
>>2558282I don't really see how AmeriKKKa could possibly become more reactionary without collapsing into full civil war. Concentration camps for immigrants, genocide of Palestinians and killing Colombian fishermen with missiles have already been completely normalized ffs.
>>2558286yeah that's what I meant
Also I'm VERY surprise Xi has a daughter I thought he was gay
>>2558289she kinda jinping
>>2558281To beat your enemy you have to be up to the standards of your enemies
>>25582811. Trump makes up numbers
2. (if it's even a true figure) 600k out of literally 1.4 billion is nothing. it's 0.0428571428571% of their population.
>>2558284I think capitalist politicians are showing a profound inability to manage the crisis on their hands so just occluding it is gonna be the new normal.
Something I’ll say about the Trump admin though is I think he can at least recognize the severity of the crisis and the need for radical reform. I don’t think his reforms will work but he can see all the lights flashing “DANGER”. By contrast the democrats at best think you can do piecemeal reforms to preserve the system, piecemeal reforms they don’t even really deliver on.
Obama might’ve been the last chance to enact meaningful reforms while avoiding a general crisis. Now politicians are gonna scramble for just one more day before the house comes crashing down.
>>2558298Credit is a petty bourgeois problem. Read engels
>>2558299True. The working class just starves to death or is send to prison
>>2558299Credit doesn't quite serve the same role today as it did in the 1800s, but the problems are comparable. Insofar as it is a working class problem it replicates the problem of capitalism on a deeper, wider, and harder to solve level.
>>2557902This is why malashenko from WIC was based and the only way to stop braindrain is to nuke billionaire central.
Trump needs a horrific tragedy to happen today unrelated to him to capture the world's interest cause he's getting raped by his followers today for like 10 bad decisions and statements this week which are absolutely indefensible from right wing view. Every hour it gets worse for him on social media. Expect some false flag or invented drama by trump right
>>2558257butt blasted platnerite detected
>>2558277According to this, prices basically have stayed the same for many food staples for years
>>2558281because everybody in China knows that it’s easier to get into Ivy+ than the top 30 Chinese schools. harvard and princeton are for dumdum kids of the elite who skipped the gaokao, they are safety schools. Hu Jintao’s brilliant son went to middling Beijing Jiaotong University and he's now climbing the ranks. the demand in foreign degrees in china is actually mattering less over time in china (the same thing happened in singapore in the 90s), as chinese universities are climbing global rankings
>>2558313This is just stupid. China does not look down upon ivy League graduates
>>2558281The actual answer is because half the ivy league budget is financed through Chinese enrollment. Porky always suffers without the Chinese market
>>2558313>harvard and princeton are for dumdum kids of the elite who skipped the gaokao, they are safety schools. Lol, you just made that up.
>>2558313University and other post-grad fetishism has been a disaster for humanity. I say we should just teach university level material in high school. Screw it, everyone learns how to be an engineer, chemist, artist, author etc. Maybe we will finally have academic innovation once and not the prussian model that's been unchanged for 150+ years.
>>2558323Cause he just said made up stuff lol
>>2558321What the hell? That's like saying submersible mortgages? What does it mean?
Also…..
That's why they shut down the gov kek
>>2558319Trvke. For communism to be achieved the division of labor must end.
Guys, I am loving this fall of the roman empire timeline. This is awesome.
>>2558329Education is scientology.
>Pay $100000s>Get taught bullshit>>2558319True. University should just be a regular voluntarily continuation of school for jobs that demand it
>>2558309He is too out of touch not to fuck up.
>>2558338Pretty cool she gets communism out there as something to not be afraid of although I never heard a single good thing about CPUSA lol
>>2558332Based. I have so many problems with the education models we have it's unreal. It's a sad day when you learn more from your job and "doing the subject" than sitting in a course listening to a guy talk. I noticed that lectures are only good for humanities subjects. Lectures suck for hard sciences.
>>2558338She's Ukrainian. I can tell by the name and by the tits.
>>2558197Why is she eating a big loaf a bread?
>>2558321They gotta gag this fucking guy before he gives Trump any other stupid ideas that will alienate voters.
>>2558326>>2558335>>2558337Don't get your hopes up leftychuds. I'm sure a botched robbery at 4 am will save the donald. We are not the only ones to have a Luigi.
>>2558326the files have already most likely been altered in some way
>>2558348She also goes to Cornell which is a top school so she's smart. May have a good future in politics
>>2558341I get what you mean. In Germany it is extremely awful where jobs that are already hard to fill get locked behind a degree. Recently they turned midwifery into a university program where you can only join by having a high school diploma instead of going into a specific school for that with a lesser degree. This is despite us lacking them in hospitals already.
where are the new epstien files?
>>2558352He Defendini the working man.
>>2558338I though she was Rania Khalek at first
>>2558326I believe in the dems ability to fuck this up just like they shut down the government and all the people got was their food stamps taken away
>>2558359Yeah I would be shocked if the dems actually got it released.
Trump could fight for a new bill that made it so that you have to get raped by a silverback gorilla every morning as MAGA would go to bat for it. They would make fun of liberals for pretending not to want to be raped by a silverback gorilla and ask why we have to disingenuously complain about everything he does.
>>2558381Knew this would be posted lol
TICK TOCK UYGHA
TICK TOCK
>>2558405I really hope this bitch goes down Rasputin style.
>>2558405She is correct, but its ultimately a whataboutism. It's a sad thing we can't just exceute every christian, muslim and religious jew. I can tell by her caveman botox face she is a christian conservative. Its less of a message about religious people being subhumans and more that her clade of subhumans is not the ruling subhumans. If muslims can destroy America they remain beneficial.
>>2558405Conservatives should look at the bible from time to time because that piece of shit has no problem with child brides, it even advocates for it
>Moses: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.Maybe someone will tell her this before she gets REDACTED
>>2558413no one will remember who bernie and mamdani are in 50 years
>>2558340Honestly if there's one benefit to electoralism it's simply demystification of the words communism and socialism.
>>2558204>make an account to see your resultsFuck off with this male astrology shit
>>2558419you're such a fucking naysaying faggot
>>2558415Laura loomer is a Jew and admittingly not religious at all she's basically atheist/Agnostic. Her Jewish supremacy is not faith based
>>2558423Didn't she literally just take a trip to Israel lol
>>2558412she is jewish. i saw her once by accident on one of those wretched reactoid podcasts with tim poole and some other generic conservative they were white knighting and crying about how much anti-Semitism she faced in her career telling her she was brave. but i do get where you coming from.
>>2558012>The communist revolution will happen when it's only support is coddled rich urbanites who never had any difficultly their entire lives. Surely their pure morals gained from being lazy pushovers will win a fight.Dumb motherfucker
>>2558020>The people there were illiterate peasants living under a monarchical system in a civil war who were forced to join the military or die. Amerikkka has no such system. It makes no difference. A trained soldier is a trained soldier and their initial motivation from being trained does not matter when it comes to killing Nazis effectively.
Isn't it weird how third worldists constantly complain how Americas will never have a revolution because they lack moral fiber but then turn around and say American soldiers are not allowed to fight for communist revolution for moral reasons?
>>2558423The Torah and the first five books of the Bible are actually the exact same text
>>2558430>It makes no differenceIt does actually especially when you're advocating for making pedophiles and child killers who are happy about what they did your shitlib leaders lmao
>>2557997>especially when they're proud of it that's the key part
if someone isn't aligned with me in the imperial front - the anti-imperialist cause - then I am not aligned with them politically at all. So what if they are "leftist" but are fighting as a reactionary force against the current of history
>>2558435they will fall for it all over again
>>2558439Well, now you can just call their attempts at forming a group a pedophile psyop, and they can't really rebut that since they stood behind the pedophile elite for years and years despite the damning evidence
>>2558426Matt Walsh has 6 kids? Those poor children
>>2558434Are you purposefully confusing making these guys leaders with allowing them to fight for you? Because those are two different arguments and you seem to switch without saying. I agree, they shouldn't be leaders but we should still get them on our side.
Also when it comes down to it even criminals will make more effective soldiers than the morally pure do-nothings you want. At least criminals will shoot back at the nazis trying to kill them instead of giving some lecture.
>>2558434Gonna be real with you fam, I don't give a shit what somebody did in the military and why. The only two things that matter is whether they are an asset to the cause and whether they are ideologically committed to it. If the Soviets can accept the literal commander of German forces at Stalingrad as an ally then modern communists can do the same for low level veterans of imperialist militaries.
imagine being a platnercel, it may be the only thing worse than being a MAGAt
>>2558450>I don't give a shit You pretty muched proved that you gave a shit the entire conversation lmao
>>2558453Yeah I give a shit about winning, not moralistic whining about how objectively useful people aren't pure enough.
>>2558454>WinningBy shilling child killers and pedophiles as your leader for the blue maga party?
>>2558447I'm haven't been specifically talking about your little election. You also once again confused the argument for making soldiers leaders with getting them to fight on your side. Do you not even realize or is this purposeful cointelpro?
>>2558459Where did I mention the Democrats? And enough with the "child killers" shit. It's obvious that that's not your actual objection since you're calling for blanket rejection of anybody who was in the military, regardless of their actual role, where/if they deployed, or what they did. It's a flimsy justification for taking a position that is completely retarded. Obviously people who know how to run a military operation, have military organization and technical skills, insider knowledge of how the enemy operates, etc. are going to be immensely useful to a revolutionary socialist movement. If you think otherwise then feel free to make a practical (not moral) argument for excluding them.
honkoid status?
>>2558460>I'm haven't been specifically talking about your little election.You inserted yourself into a conversation about that you utter retard. Keep up with the convo and kys. You don't have soldiers and you reek of a larper who has never done anything close to organizing but is all too happy "using" nazoids as if you ever had a talk with them lmao
>>2558204>>2558237Yeah, guess it put me in János camp pretty firmly. Gave the test to a buddy and he wound up as fucking Dolphin-man of all people.
What I'm getting from this is that in case of a revolution I should just wait for the most over the top Red Guards to burn through their goodwill then just quietly get to work.
János Kádár had Goulash Communism, I will give us Hamburger Communism.
>>2558463Your furry child killer you want to make out with and get behind is a democrat. You are shilling him.
> And enough with the "child killers" shit. No, I won't. You stand behind child murder and rape
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings >>2558337>JUST. RELEASE. THE. FILES.They will never. They are sitting on literal recordings of all the richest and most powerful, raping children. They could take it all down any moment but they wont.
You know what the USA did instead though? They made Epstein into a culture war phenomenon. Meaning that, it has become politically harmless. It just doesn't look that way because you haven't caught up to the depravity of the average vooter.
But by now, being a child rapist conspiring with the other liberal elites against literally everyone, including everyone else in the room… is as politically harmless as
#metoo. Some people will have to go, some will be opportunistically taken down, but the liberal establishment has neutralized the threat and Epstein will never be anything else than gossip.
Stop taking the bait
>>2558474Makes sense now
>>2558476I will report him from now on for doing rape apology
>>2558465>You inserted yourself into a conversation about that you utter retard. So what? I was addressing the underlying arguments you are making not this one specific case. You never addressed the core of my argument and keep on dodging btw
>you reek of a larper who has never done anything close to organizingProjection. You're a third worldist complaining about morals. Guaranteed you've never taken a step outside your comfortable urbanite bubble.
>>2558426holy rightoid cannibalismo
>there are STILL people here shilling and clawing to convince people to support platner
Kill yourselves
>>2558424Aliyah is embraced as a secular right to colonize Palestine and enjoy dual citizenship of a national socialist government (Israel) which provides for its volk through genocide
>>2558491americanoid subhumans are so prepotent holy shit.
"bro just give our training then leave bro"
>>2558480you say that yet the US has been in active class warfare for the last decade. You are literally living in a age of terror, yeah sure there isn't as massive and public uprisings like 1968 in France, but theres a building movement, and collapse. And maybe the reason there has not been a uprising is because of those very groups
Fascists are created to prevent and hijack revolutions, not create them, they just feed on the growing class struggle attempted to enact their evil plans during and after so.
>>2558501You are not going to get your Eric shootout. And even if there was one, communist certainly would come out on top. Law and order normals would win because they are the majority, but they are already in power so the shootout will never happen in the first place.
>>2558497October revolution? We're not even getting the October revelation.
>>2558503> And even if there was one, communist certainly would come out on top.based typo
>>2558505Hah, but seriously. We have this discussion like dozens of times per week ITT for years, but everything, none of the people who candy about this fantasy can even give the barest details of what this hypothetical uprising would look like.
>nooo we can't know anything about the insurrection until it happens! We just know it will happen and we will win!Lmao. Yupp that's how all successful plans start. Especially one on that scale. That's the secret. That's the power of manifestation
>>2558503Communists have been the smaller opposition in every single pre-revoluntion, whether its a party underground or public. People are rapidly turning against the state, and considering how shit american police are they would probably end up losing even with an advantage in numbers.
>>2558321>portable mortgages>as in reverse mortagages>as in 80-20 mortgages.>as in interest-only mortgages>as in adjustable-rate mortgage>as in balloon mortgage>as shared-equity mortgage>as in no monet down mortgage.damn, another name, another scam.
mmfwcl
>>2558321Oh great. People are going to lose their house and everything that comes after as well.
>>2558509this screenshot was posted in one of the previous threads. Here's what I said in response:
>you look at STEM papers, the names on them are often chinese and eastern european names. burger reich "intellectual property" comes from foreign exchange students. this is made even more hilarious when you realize the burger reich spent decades accusing china of "stealing our intellectual property" when what was really happening was that all the chinese students who came over here and invented shit while at our universities then went home and took their own knowledge and skills with them. >>2558435Lmao, the answer is communism but rightiods will never learn. They are doomed to forever collect fell for it again awards. They’re to invested into the culture war psyop. The only thing the elites fear is communism, both parties cry about it endlessly, both parties staunchly anti-communist and revel in their anti-communism. Both parties endlessly try to rehabilitate Nazis.
>>2558491I thought it was an exaggeration but the USA really is extremely reliant on brain draining desperate professionals from the 3rd world. There doesn't seem to be enough American profeSSionals to replace all the Chinese doctors, Indian developers and Filipino nurses.
>>25584991920s Soviet Union was an underdeveloped country dealing with the aftermath of a brutal civil war, not the most powerful empire to ever exist. Fucking embarrassing for the Burgerreich to be this desperate for overseas skilled workers.
>>2558540yeah because our college is SO expensive and public education up to highschool is SO fucking trash. Which is why we need free college and a massive overhaul of the public education in this country in general.
But doing that would require helping burgers, and that's fascist so we should just let them all suffer forever until they die
Burguers, i did not expect Trump to collapse the U.S this fast. I wasn't familiar with your game.
imagine the Epstein files were an actual somethingburger and it took down Trump, Musk, Thiel, Mossad, a significant chunk of the GOP and billionaire donor base, and the Clintons all in one swoop
it has to be too good to be true right? nothing ever happens right?
>>2558548>it took down Trump, Musk, Thiel, Mossad, a significant chunk of the GOP and billionaire donor baseWho is going to do it though? The chinese? lol, lmao
>>2558524i feel bad he lost his daughter in that car bomb even though he's a 4th positionist reactoid or whatever
Question is why didn't the Dems release this shit when they had the chance. Why hold it back when they were trying to win the presidency?
>>2558549Anyone left in power that isn't tied to it (or is at least distant enough from it for plausible deniability) that will ride the mass public outrage (and economic pressure) to push them out.
We're already seeing some congress members like Boebert and MTG cutting themselves off from Trump.
how do pedophiles always find themselves at the levers of the most awesome power in the history of humanity? always pedophiles
>>2558552We don't know if they even had this back in 2024.
I assume they released it now as a precursor to the larger Epstein files vote in Congress to put pressure on the GOP. Put it back in the public consciousness so any no votes cause severe damage.
>>2558556it's because our power structures reward evil psychopaths who will do anything to get ahead
>>2558554>Anyone left in power that isn't tied to itThat's basically like… 4 or 5 people against a whole cabal of pedos/zionists in power.
>>2558544Have you seen the state of the U.S lately? It’s become an undeveloped shit hole. Its a glorified theme park and mall pretending to be a country. Factory jobs gone, and higher education impossible expensive.
>>2558560Worst case that could be true, but I have a feeling there's a lot of powerful people who are only tangentially involved who will try to cut the biggest offenders loose to save their own skins.
The amount of public outrage could also create a lot of pressure from donors who want to get back to business as usual by removing dead weight. How much value would Trump have left at that point, really? Most of the GOP donors would be very happy with a Vance presidency anyways.
>>2558563Yeah I’ve thought trump might be a sacrificial lamb they’ll toss to the angry mob. Then we get another Obama like figure as a holding pattern for the elites to continue their bullshit in the background.
The video I am linking is 18+ so it does not let me embed but it is various cops confronting a angry guy who was drinking at a wedding and he's a big strong guy legit 2x size of the cop. The cop just confronted him 1 so he was obviously over powered so he immediately killed him. This was not necessary he should have went at him with several cops. I am not doing arm chair police here I have an example
The video I am embedding is a huge roider guy easily 260-270lbs of muscle who had various noise complaints. When the first cops came he shut the door on them angrily and they did not go after him. They waited till had like 4 cops then all together took him down and tasered despite him being strong as fuck. He was not shot
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dOzWnTU47cgSome cops literally put themselves in situations destined to fail cause see gun as resort to protect themselves quickly instead of really prepare for best way to solve issue
is there a us stock thread
>>2558552My mom asked me this and I told her it's because Trump, Biden, Clinton, all of them are wealthy elites and wealthy elites aren't "supposed" to go to prison in America. They get comfy plea deal after plea deal until their crimes become undeniably horrifying. Trump used to pal around with all of them and they didn't want to send one of their own to prison. That's why Biden slow walked any prosecution of Trump and gave him every opportunity to step down and make up.
>>2558568Yeah but like the other anon pointed out Biden and his team had access to this stuff and could've released it but chose not to
>>2558552because Dems would rather lose than win, in almost all cases
>>2558570I didn't know that during biden's term the rethuglicans ceased to exist.
you are attacking the demokkkraps from the right on this issue.
>>2558570I think it's fair to say that Garland was extremely incompetent and slow. Probably the worst part of Biden's cabinet.
>>2558572>I didn't know that during biden's term the rethuglicans ceased to exist.huh?
>you are attacking the demokkkraps from the right on this issue.not really if maga doesn't want it released either. The only thing that makes sense is that there's just as much evidence damning the dems as there is evidence damning the republicucks which proves the two parties are exactly the same
>>2558572Republicans were the minority in congress for the first half of Biden's presidency and even if they weren't the President has complete authority on intelligence classification, not congress. Biden had the authority to release the Epstein files whenever he wanted to but was too busy sleeping instead.
the government is now shut up
hemp farmers are now out of work
and obamnacare is died
thanks alot democrats
>>2558575>huh?did they start a probe to release the files? did they present a proposal to release them? as far I remember that wasn't issue for them either.
>>2558576>Republicans were the minoritythat has never been an issue for them, hasn't been? they got to block the build back better bill, didn't they?
As I already answered concisely, it was trump's wrongdoing for taking the pizzagate crowd and promise them ridiculous stuff, and now that he got exposed by his own schemes and mistakes, demokkkraps want to capitalize it. that's all.
>>2558579>that has never been an issue for them, hasn't been? they got to block the build back better bill, didn't they?No it was blocked by Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin.
Dems love to let Republicans take the blame for the lack of progress, but it's always the Democrats that fail their voters. Republicans always fulfill their campaign goals, yet Dems never do.
>>2558581Welcome back pedophiles
>>2558582>No it was blocked by Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin.and fucking
every fucking rethuglican voted no in the senate to block it. swing demokkraps don't save the face for the bigger crowd.
>Dems love to let Republicans take the blame for the lack of progressand that's not wrong, simply they don't fight the rethugs.
>Republicans always fulfill their campaign goalsaha, then why didn't they push for an epstein probe between 2020 and 2024? because it was trump's agenda, and only his. now it backfired in the cheetos man face, it's not
weird or
rare or they are the "establishment" trying to topple trump, "the swamp" attacking back with the epstein case. it's all on the orange menace shoulders.
>>2558578Good. Down with capitalist narcotic planters. They enslave migrant children
>>2558596Yes, let's intentionally alienate a group that is trained in warfare and which is known for violence, this won't bite us in the ass at all…
>>2558597those darn democrats. the party should be forcibly abolished and it's members persecuted and ostracized and tried and video game things
>>2558608I don't really feel pleasure knowing Republicans will lose the midterms because we'll just repeat this cycle the next time Dems do nothing for 4 years after wasting billions of dollars campaigning to beat Trump.
typical snake den. the dynamics of usa politics is that if they can't get dirt on someone they don't let them in. i imagine. inside, everyone has something on everyone else. and everyone is kept in check. like one of those houses of all twitch streamers.
>>2558615That guy is the current US ambassador to Turkey btw
>>2558618and special envoy to isis occupied syria
>>2558617if you have dirt and are obedient, you can go places. Look at dennis Hastert the classic case. he was a pedo high school coach and a local businessman, pillar of the community. he went into local politics.
then he had an unnatural meteoric career rise, culminating in becoming speaker of the house, 3rd in line to the presidency.
>>2558621POLICE I SWEAR TO GOD
I'M SIMPING FOR A CHILD
Something wrong
I hold my head
Epstein files up
MIGA is dead
>>2558634Shit. Simpsons parody of this completely ruined the song for me
Don Jr.’s Girlfriend Reportedly Settled for Him After Elon Musk Fail
Donald Trump Jr.’s girlfriend initially had her sights set on his father’s favorite frenemy.
Bettina Anderson, 38, was “going for Elon Musk,” before she cozied up to the president’s oldest son, sources told the Daily Mail on Tuesday.
Trump, 47, and Anderson began their whirlwind romance more than a year ago. But before that, the Palm Beach socialite and model reportedly tried to use him to get closer to the Tesla CEO, who at the time was a trusted adviser and friend of President Donald Trump.
“She told me she wanted to have one of Elon’s babies and she thought going after Don Jr would help her get close to Elon,” a “friend” of Anderson’s told the Mail. “She told several of us this was her ultimate goal.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/don-jrs-girlfriend-bettina-anderson-reportedly-settled-for-him-after-elon-musk-fail/>>2558640Vince Foster, WH hireling during Bill Clinton: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Foster
>>2558642 (me)
Killed himself by the way.
There’s a quote from one of Lincoln’s letters in 1855 that perfectly sums up how I feel when thinking about the current conservative movement and the challenge from Groypers.
As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except negroes.” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
When I say the right is being Groyperized, some respond that not that many people have heard of Nick Fuentes. This is kind of like saying that Republicans aren’t a low tax party because nobody knows who Grover Norquist is. Obviously, people can have major impacts on political movements without being household names.
I think the revolution has already happened, with National Conservative ideology and MAGA only adding to Groyperism the “base alloy of hypocrisy.” To see why, we can just look at what Groyperization essentially means. I’d argue it has the following five elements.
A strong white identity and focus on whites being oppressed, which in terms of policy manifests itself mainly in a preference for reducing immigration so whites can maintain demographic dominance.
A belief that policy and culture should be understood through the lens of zero-sum competition between Americans and foreigners, whites and nonwhites, Christians and non-Christians. This is the case both in terms of public recognition and the struggle for tangible resources.
There is a hierarchy of Americanness in which people are ranked according to race, adherence to Christianity, and how long their ancestors have been in the country.
A communication style and aesthetic that centers around shock value, giving the middle finger to PC, and taking “based” positions on identity issues.
A dislike of Jewish power and influence, manifesting itself most clearly in wanting to end the US special relationship with Israel
Mainstream MAGA has already fully adopted 1-4. These also are part of the worldview of what are called “dissident right” or “national conservatism,” with broadly defined race being an arguable sticking point. Only 5 is left to fight about.
https://www.richardhanania.com/p/groypers-are-just-more-honest-magas>>2558607>"eyy what's up Don, we're doing a pedophilia tonight at my place 7 pm"on fucking gmail
What do you guys think of this. My first thought was more availability of guns I guess but idk.
https://lsupress.org/do-hard-times-cause-crime-the-lessons-of-history/Do Hard Times Cause Crime? The Lessons of History. Many people believe that economic depressions and recessions cause crime, and that economic booms are associated with low crime rates. History, however, tells a different story.
In my new LSU Press book, The Roots of Violent Crime in America: From the Gilded Age through the Great Depression, I examine in detail United States crime rates over a sixty-year period, from roughly the 1880s to 1940. I wrote about a more recent period, 1940 to 2015, in my previous book, The Rise and Fall of Violent Crime in America (2016). Together, these works provide new insights into the relationship between crime and various social conditions: poverty, immigration, economic crises, weakness in the criminal justice system, group subcultures of violence, and more.
A major issue addressed by Roots of Violent Crime, which I would like to touch on here, is the relationship between economic conditions and violent crime. I will limit my remarks to crimes of violence, that is, murder, rape, assault, and forcible robbery. This leaves out property crimes, such as theft/larceny, fraud, burglary, and arson. I’m also excluding so-called public order offenses, including drunk driving, weapons violations, and immigration crimes.
Property crimes and public order offenses correlate with economic conditions in a different way than violent crimes. One can readily see why. Suppose we have a terrible depression, as in the 1930s, with millions of people desperate for necessities and even for food itself. It doesn’t take much to imagine theft and burglary rising in such a situation. As I will show, however, violent crime does not follow the same trajectory as property crime, though it is widely believed that economic decline is a principal cause of crime increase.
The United States has suffered numerous economic recessions, the worst of which (the Great Depression) lasted for more than a full decade, from the stock market crash of late 1929 to the war boom of 1941. Major recessions also occurred in 1873–1879, 1893–1897, and 2007–2009. But there was no consistent relationship between economic decline or economic booms and violent crime.
In the 1890s, a major recession and the influx of millions of massively impoverished immigrants should by popular assumption have produced higher violent crime rates. As I write in Roots of Violent Crime (p. 168):
“If cities breed crime, then the late nineteenth-century United States should have experienced a crime tsunami. Not only did America’s urban population soar, but the living conditions in those cities were, by contemporary measures, petri dishes for criminality. The new urban masses were poor, often desperately so. They were densely packed into the most appalling housing, when not forced by impoverishment to sleep in public places or police station barracks. Urbanites below the middle class were unable to support their children past age twelve, leading city youth to drop out of school to work long hours, or to join street gangs and steal for survival. The cities were governed by thoroughly crooked municipal regimes, such as the notorious Tammany Hall in New York. The police, essentially a security force for the corrupt city governments, were untrained, incompetent, and abusive—free with their nightsticks, especially in dealing with the ‘dangerous classes’ of poor immigrants. The immigrant groups, moreover, along with African Americans who were just beginning their northward migration, were routinely discriminated against because of their nationality, their religion, or their appearance and socially isolated from the city’s middle class, who fled to less menacing suburbs.”
Despite these dreadful conditions violent crime was low, especially in the big cities of the Northeast. Here are the murder rates (per 100,000) in 1890 for six cities. For comparison, consider the murder rates (per 100,000) in these same cities one century later.
As important as the crime rates are, the nature of violent crime in the 1890s was just as significant. Robbery of strangers, the scourge of the crime wave from the late 1960s to the mid-1990s, was virtually unknown in the late nineteenth century. Crime historian Roger Lane once reported that “robbery at gunpoint was so rare in the urban East” that a Bronx saloon holdup in 1895 made headlines in Philadelphia, and the story ran for a week! In 1990, by contrast, an armed robbery in the Bronx wouldn’t even have produced an article, much less a headline, in New York City newspapers.
Jumping ahead to the 1920s, we find an economic boom period. From 1920 to 1929, the nation’s gross domestic product rose 42 percent. The unemployment rate averaged just 5.5 percent. Disposable personal income went from $71.5 billion to $83.3 billion, a jump of 16.5 percent.
Despite the boom, violent crime soared. The chart below shows homicide rates from 1920 to 1940. Notice that the 1920s rates were around 9 per 100,000, which is about the same as the rate from 1970 to 1990. But the big difference was the absence of “muggings.” Robbery was a much greater threat in the 1970s–1990s
Now, you are probably thinking that Prohibition and the booze gang wars were responsible for the high murder rates in the 1920s. Actually, Prohibition had a mixed impact. On the one hand, it spurred shooting wars between organized crime gangs, which increased murder rates in the biggest cities. On the other hand, Prohibition made beer and other alcoholic beverages very expensive, resulting in less public drunkenness and fewer incidents of associated crimes. It also closed down the saloons, which were centers for young male violence.
The Great Depression of the 1930s underscores the inconsistent relationship between violent crime and the economy. Murder rates had been hovering around 9 per 100,000 when the Crash of 1929 occurred. These rates rose even further in the early ’30s, the worst years of the Depression. By 1932 an estimated 28 percent of the nation’s households, containing 34 million people, did not have a single employed wage earner. The economy began to improve after 1934 and voila! Crime fell off sharply. This suggests that economic improvement reduces violent crime. But . . . there was a major economic downturn in 1937–38 (the “Roosevelt Recession”)—nearly four million people lost their jobs, boosting total unemployment to 11.5 million—and despite this recession within the Depression, violent crime continued to decline.
So, there is no trend, no consistent relationship, between general economic conditions and violent crime. This anomaly continued after World War II. Violent crime soared during periods of great prosperity, such as the late 1960s, and declined during recessions, such as in 2007–2009.
What is the explanation for this? The main factor is that violent crimes (except robbery) are not, by and large, motivated by economic concerns. Murder and assault tend to be precipitated by anger, sexual jealousy, perceived insults and threats, long-standing personal quarrels, and similar issues, frequently facilitated by alcohol or some other disinhibiting substance.
Rises and falls in violent crime are less affected by general economic conditions than by demographics (the size of the young male population), weakness in the criminal justice system, the migration or immigration of groups with historically high rates of violence, violent youth gangs, and the widespread availability of firearms
For over three and a half decades, Barry Latzer served as professor of criminal justice at John Jay College, CUNY, where he was a member of the graduate faculty. He has written five books and nearly ninety scholarly articles and research reports.
>>2558646This is author btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_LatzerBarry Latzer (born 1945) is an American criminologist and emeritus professor of criminal justice at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.[1] He previously taught at the Graduate Center, CUNY. He also prosecuted and defended accused criminals while teaching both there and at John Jay.[2] In 2016, his book The Rise and Fall of Violent Crime in America was published by Encounter Books.[3][4] In 2021 The Roots of Violent Crime in America: From the Gilded Age through the Great Depression was published by LSU Press.[5] In 2022 his book The Myth of Overpunishment: A Defense of the American Justice System and a Proposal to Reduce Incarceration While Protecting the Public was published by Republic Book Publishers.[6] He is an expert on core curricula[7] and has lectured and written extensively on capital punishment[8][9][6][10] as well as state constitutional criminal procedure law.[11]
Latzer's work outside the university included service as an Assistant District Attorney in Brooklyn (1985-1986), and as a member of the Indigent Defendants Appeals Panel in Manhattan (1987-1990).[12] He also served (2003-2005) as a Senior Consultant for the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a higher education reform organization, where he managed projects involving core curricula.[13][14] Latzer was a member of the board of trustees of the National Association of Scholars from 2004 to 2017, and a co-founder and member of the executive committee of the CUNY Association of Scholars (1997-2003).[15]
Barry Latzer has also appeared numerous times on TV and podcasts being interviewed and discussing his books.[16][17][18]
>>2558596
>christoid on pagan violenceLet them fight!
>>2558646Also I noticed this guy writes a lot on right wing outlets when I searched his name so yeah keep that in mind
>>2558646interesting post anon, I wonder if the correlation would come back if you were to focus on just violent crimes with somesort direct association with organized crime(easier for them to recruit). Also if we accept the premise that alcohol, high young male population,widespread availability of firearms and crimes of passion are big contributing factors to murder wouldn't this imply college towns, especially big party schools in the South would have fairly high rates of murder and violent crime?
>>2558649squeaky sharpie time
>>2558652makes sense considering the core conceit of the author being random super structural stuff being more important than economic stuff, makes you wonder what bro means by the "immigration of groups with historically high rates of crime" sounds like europeans talking about romani lol
>>2558642>>2558643He was depressed. This rich and well connected law firm partner who spent his life dealing with court rials got sad and scared over maybe having to talk tat some congresspeople over some pointless ethics bullshit. Doctor prescribed antidepressants over the phone just the day before!
>>2558659His recent long term girlfriend was Gavin newsom ex wife
>>2558662Burger work in mysterious way 🤔
>>2558654They're making him sound so much cooler than he actually is
>>2558630>Was Epstein retarded? Why does he write like an illiterate?blackberry or old iphone. but yes he was retarded
>>2558669Mane this bitch is crazier than I though. And now she's currently the ambassador to Greece despite no longer dating Jr.
>Guilfoyle's 2017 departure from Fox News was due to alleged sexual harassment on her part.[28][30] Fox News later reached a settlement of at least $4 million with Guilfoyle's accuser.[30] The assistant alleged that Guilfoyle frequently displayed herself naked, showed photographs of the genitalia of men she had sex with, and required her to sleep over at Guilfoyle's apartment.[30] The New Yorker independently verified several of the assistant's allegations.[30] Maybe that's how she bagged both Newsom and Trump. Probably just went up to them at a banquet and just grabbed their cock. I'm always amazed at these professional groupies who just go from one super rich guy to another and they're not even hot either. WTF? I guess a lot of rich guys are just incel types that need a dommy mommy that takes what she wants. Like what the fuck does Lauren Sanchez have going on?
>>2558677Some people say trump made her an ambassador there to keep her far away from don jr
>>2558677Oh wait I'm going to hit you with an interesting one. This is Don Jr first wife lol
>During her teenage years, Trump dated local street gangster Valentín Rivera, a Latin Kings gang member.[16] According to Rivera, he ended the relationship when the New York Post published a story that Trump was in a romantic relationship with Leonardo DiCaprio (DiCaprio's publicist denied the relationship).[17]From 1998 to 2001, Trump dated Saudi prince Khalid bin Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud.[18] The relationship ended in 2001, when Khalid bin Bandar left the U.S. after his Saudi ambassador father, Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud, was suspected of having indirect ties to individuals linked with the Al Qaeda hijackers.[19]
On November 12, 2005, she married Donald Trump Jr. The wedding was held at the Mar-a-Lago club in Florida; the service was officiated by Trump Jr.'s aunt, Judge Maryanne Trump Barry.[20] Trump Jr. had proposed to her with a US $100,000 ring (equivalent to $161,000 in 2024) that he had received as a gift from a jeweler in exchange for proposing to her in front of paparazzi outside of the jeweler's store at the Short Hills mall in New Jersey.[21]
The couple have five children together, the oldest of whom is Kai Trump, born in May 2007.[22][23][24]
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/05/did-911-keep-vanessa-trump-from-marrying-a-saudi-prince?srsltid=AfmBOoo2ayO5XiOi3czyX7wIK7cgS5LCZpfAymeeelIY3uvlkWqFqZv6 >>2558685This is extremely dangerous to our democracy
>>2558688okay he's done for real now
You guys think it might be dangerous if Trump is thrown to the wolves and letting the real fascists like Miller take the lead?
>>2558646The problem with older crime statistics is accurate reporting. Even murders were much easier to hide just a few decades ago, imagine a century ago. It's difficult to make a good case based off those questionable numbers.
>>2558690Nobody respects that autistic little Nazi midget, no way they will give it to him.
>>2558688The Amerikan brainpan can't handle not being uptight 24/7
>>2558690They're all real fascists. Trump is about to invade Venezuela and has bombed Iran and killed countless of Palestinians
>>2558690who cares? i want that prick gone
>>2558694Trump is an opportunist and a piece of shit, but I really don't think he's a true believer.
>>2558698why is this happening?
>chomsky is in the epstein files
Parenti vindicated?
>>2558698someone is getting beat up
>>2558702Never trust academics
>>2558702we already knew that didn't we?
>>2558705Hope his neck is okay after their little get together.
>>2558681we won't see trump ever again doing interviews, will we?
>>2558705 I wonder how much pull does this guy actually have in the MAGA camp
>>2558711tell him he will never be a real christian, his protestant faith is a pagan's high on corn syrup trip version of the real christian faith and ashkenazoids will never be real jews either.
>>2558698No one is going to show up
>>2558711A jewish-friendly Nazi, how progressive!
>>2558716is he talking about leaving the country?
>>2558716Will someone Kirk this guy already?
>>2558716every time I see bullshapiro I see his kippa bigger. or is it just me?
>if you are a young person and you can't afford to live here maybe you should not live here.good, deport all burgericans, make the land of the free, free of people!
>>2558718Probably state but he's such a bad person better to just say it's the usa and make him look even worse which is what groypers types are doing with this clip
>>2558718of course not. he's talking about the simpletons who aren't in the aipac list, rich oil people, wall street oligarch, high-ranking military officer, high-ranking and similar. he's a bug glued, gripped, leeched, to the state of the US, he wouldn't leave the state he parasites.
] In 1998, Errol Musk shot and killed three armed intruders at one of his properties in Johannesburg.[20]
Elons dad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Musk>>2558728wasnt dissident west an indian?
>>2558731you're probably confusing him with someone else and if you are you're most likely still correct
>>2558595>"The Jews killed Jesus but we should be grateful for that."Y'know, on the topic of Jesus' death there's been lots of hot takes. The Muslims believe he was replaced with a criminal on the Cross by Allah (some theories positing it was Judas who took his place). The Gnostics believed that his death on the cross was to show the meaninglessness of matter and how the spirit can survive despite that. A common argument is that it was really the Romans that killed Jesus. But "be grateful for the Jews for killing Jesus" truly is one of the takes of all time.
>>2558596>"Do you know how many troops claim to be Hellenic Pagan?"
>"Suddenly it's become this fake religious affiliation inside the Pentagon so they can fuck nubile twinks and trans women, and no one challenges them because no one's upheld standards for a long time.""Now a quarter of the platoon is oiling up boi-titties because they're suddenly Hellenic Pagans."
"We're not doing that stuff anymore."
trump should pop the AI bubble and crash the world economy to distract from his now undeniable rampant pedophilia
>>2558739so its just someone scamming poltards?
anyone can buy an ad on 4chan theres no (real) review process
>>2558733yup, trump killed einstein.
>>2558613I thought the woke right were people that thought trump sucked Israel cock? It’s like she’s pretending the spilt among the gop is the fact trump isn’t pro Israel enough.
>>2557857
a man's gotta eat
>>2558745> It’s like she’s pretending the spilt among the gop is the fact trump isn’t pro Israel enough.that's her prerogative
>>2557825well when you try to do that you have to start from a place of acknowledging US imperialism as having put a big rift in the efforts to do so, otherwise it's a non starter. Child proles working in Cobalt mines in Africa don't want to hear how American grocery store cashiers feel their pain. Is is true both are exploited? Yes. But there's a world of difference.
>>2558740>trump should pop the AI bubble and crash the world economyand how would he do that exactly? deny sam altman subsidies?
>>2558698>burn le book!Damn, islam defeated.
Undoubtedly racist is the idea of unipolar globalization. It is based on the fact that Western, especially American, society equates its history and its values to universal law and artifcially tries to con- struct a global society based on these local and historically specific values – democracy, the market, parliamentarianism, capitalism, individualism, human rights, and unlimited technological development. These values are local, and globalization is trying to impose them onto all of humanity as something that is universal and taken for granted. This attempt implicitly argues that the values of all other peoples and cultures are imperfect, underdeveloped, and are subject to modernization and standardization based on the Western model.
Globalization is thus nothing more than a globally deployed model of Western European, or, rather, Anglo-Saxon ethnocentrism, which is the purest
Men are totally defined by their identity, language, cultural biology, history, and heritage in any sense, positive or negative. So I think in that sense only robots or racist, which are almost the same typologically, cold pretend to possess a universal rule or universal protocols to define what justice if for a Russia, Muslim, or Chinese.
Dugin
>>2558715ideally some non muslims will show up to defend the muslims from discrimination (I don't care for religion in general)
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>>2558777>>2558443his wife had 6 miscarriages too iirc
>>2558662BS. Read tge fostergate chaoter in one nation under blavkmail
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