No.268992[Last 50 Posts]
Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.
Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.htmldprkDPRK No.1426061
As one of the few Socialist states, it's necessary we protect the DPRK from the attacks of Western Capitalism.
But that doesn't mean that the DPRK should stagnate. Reforms, on non-economic and non-political topics - i.e on social issues - can improve the DPRK's standing with the wider world.
Would it kill them to maybe tolerate gay people a little? Maybe cut down on the quasi-religious cult of personality? Tone down the racism?
Firstly North Korea is incredibly racist. It's illegal to race mix, even with other East Asians who aren't Korean. As far as I'm aware the only state in the world where this is law.
The Chondoists, for all their great revolutionary character, are also incredibly hyper-racist and view Koreans as the chosen race, the superior race in much the same way the Orthodox Jews of Israel view themselves as the chosen race. That thinking of racial superiority can lead to some pretty nasty places.
I don't think the DPRK give two shits about what Western armchair socialists think of them, but if they could work on a few minor issues of social rights (where it doesn't conflict with ensuring the prosperity and defence of the Socialist state) ie. say, preventing discrimination against homosexuals, legalise interracial relationships, and reducing the racial elements to Juche and Chondoist ideology?
It would take time to change attitudes and I'm not saying go full gay marriage sex orgies with weed, but with a few little steps and maybe then they'd begin to gain wider support from Socialists internationally.
More support means more power at the table, normies would have to reconsider their view of North Korea as just some big evil bad guy if they made such changes.
Just a thought. Kim, if you read this please take it into consideration.
No.1426087
>>1426061>It's illegal to race mix, even with other East Asians who aren't Korean.Fake news. There are plenty of Zainichi (Japan resident) Koreans who immigrated from Japan in the 60s and 70s and brought Japanese wives with them. Kim himself is possibly 1/4 Japanese. Also the American defector Joe Dresnok's 3rd wife was a Korean (who herself was half-black).
This is a speech by Kim Jong Il where he explicitly condemned racism and the concept of "superior races":
https://www.marxists.org/archive/kim-jong-il/works/Let-Us-Highly-Display-The-Korean-Nation-First-Spirit.pdf
>tolerate gay peopleIt has never been illegal in Korea. Same for Vietnam and Laos. The head of the KFA, Alejandro Cao de Benos made this statement on this subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azi-Zsh4uYE No.1426094
>>1426087>the KFALMAO, and you think that man is a reliable source of information?
Confusing de jure legality with the de facto situation is one thing. Confusing the words of one clown with reality is another thing entirely.
I'll read that document you linked and I'll be glad to see if I've been wrong about the official stance of the WPK on race. But there is a very strong racial element to the Chondoists at the very least.
No.1426160
>>1426061>Reforms, on non-economic and non-political topics - i.e on social issues - can improve the DPRK's standing with the wider world.Lol no
Korea's standing with the wider world is the product of them trying to develop nuclear weapons, as well as the opportunism of other countries who don't want to alienate their economy from the southern Korean market.
While fighting against discriminations inside the country would be nice, it won't be useful for your stated end. Plus the West will always try to make shit up about them anyway.
Even if Korea opened their market and went fully capitalist in one instant, they still wouldn't receive much foreign capital. Their economy is too small with basically no resources beside coal to leverage their position like Iran and especially Russia do to alleviate the sanctions.
The best course of action is to continue the nuclear program and develop powerful ballistic capabilities to lower the reliance on maintaining a large conventional military to deter potential invaders. Only after that, then the liberated resources should be invested in research and other areas with large growth potential in order to follow the Chinese path.
The number one goal of Korea should be to fight its way into being recognized as a nuclear weapon state, so that the UN sanction supposed to prevent nuclear proliferation could be removed. This is the area where China should do more in my opinion.
No.1428884
requesting that picture of n korea bimbo where it's "life under capitalism"
No.1428885
>>1428884also that one with joe roegan please
No.1428966
>>1426160
>who don't want to alienate their economy from the southern Korean market.ironically the south koreans wouldl open up buisnesses in the north. A lot of southern chaebols are suffering from buisness problems due to high wages, increasing labor strikes and very good working conditions. Alongside with other factors modern south korea is a lot like the us during the 1960s. And just like china, north korea could theoretically exploit that. And despite the southern superstructre and etc ultimately the chaebols follow money. And what they would see in the north is cheap fucking labor.
>Even if Korea opened their market and went fully capitalist in one instant, they still wouldn't receive much foreign capital Their economy is too small with basically no resources beside coal you can say the same thing regarding south korea but it still developed(though with american and japanese investment…which china can do instead)
>and other areas with large growth potential in order to follow the Chinese path.well that does seem resonable i guess
No.1431740
>>1431737>I have never seen a video or picture of a place in north korea that looks bad. You're not exactly allowed to wander around.
No.1431742
>>1431740I saw a video of a guy who did wander around outside of what was allowed and it still looked nice.
No.1431744
>>1431737I don't know about North Korea, but I've been to Africa and what one might consider slums. I tell you, I felt much safer walking around African slums than America. I guess visually America would look better, but like, nobody is getting murdered everyday in the African slum. People are nice and friendly in the African slum. America is a state of mind.
No.1431791
Step it the fuck up /leftypol/.
No.1431840
Japan freaking out over a missile test a few minutes ago. Apparently there were evacuation alarms in Hokkaido. The missile was airborne for approximately 50 minutes before impacting the sea, and likely was not armed with a warhead. This after one of the recent leaks claimed DPRK "probably oversells" ICBM threat. Also after Russia also tested an ICBM earlier today.
No.1431846
North Korea has legal marijuana and no taxes, it's a libertarian paradise
No.1431862
>>1431737It's because they have the ideological and mental power to work with enthusiasm for the revolution and on-going struggle and give steady continuity to their fighting and constructive spirit in their own style.
>>1431856I knew one guy who felt really uncomfortable in the U.S. because he said, to me, something about how it felt like he had to be "on" all the time compared to where he was from, he couldn't just escape and not worry about stuff. I wonder if it felt like you had to pretend to be an actor wherever you went, you couldn't just be some guy.
No.1431865
>>1431862>I knew one guy who felt really uncomfortable in the U.S. because he said, to me, something about how it felt like he had to be "on" all the time compared to where he was from, he couldn't just escape and not worry about stuff. Situational awareness. Maybe I'm too aware, but once you go through some things you'll understand how real it is. I'm ready to club some fuckers to death from living in the USA. It's how it is. I dunno, I guess it's a benefit learning this stuff. Like not me motherfucker, I'll waste your ass. That's how it be. Being a coward in hell won't win you any favors.
No.1431944
>>1431744>nobody is getting murdered everyday in the African slumI get the weirdest feeling that's not common for all African slums
No.1431970
>>1431862>I knew one guy who felt really uncomfortable in the U.S. because he said, to me, something about how it felt like he had to be "on" all the time compared to where he was from, he couldn't just escape and not worry about stuff. I wonder if it felt like you had to pretend to be an actor wherever you went, you couldn't just be some guy.Not any anon, but this exactly happened to me when I moved to the PNW of the US. It drove me nuts, and unurinically felt my sanity decreasing. I felt I was my identities first (gay, PoC, etc) then my own individual. I then moved back to my country and it was a relief. I now live in a non-anglo European country and I don't feel this "actor" feeling. YMMV of course. That's just how I felt.
No.1431983
Only deranged Tulcel ameriliards besmirch the name of the DPRK
No.1432195
>If north korea is so terrible why does it look so nice?I feel like they can do some nice theming. I love a bit of chaos and all but you can't deny the benefits of consistency.
>>1431778you know what i heard i heard from tommy that there are no products they eat dirt and rice (that tree is fake becuase htey ate all the real ones)
No.1432199
>>1431856There is an episode of You Can't Ask That (Aus show, you can watch it free with a proxy or try to find torrents) about "African-Australians", many from Ethiopia and Sudan as war refugees, and most of them are saying "australia isn't that great like you've got material possessions but everyone is so individual and lifeless, I'd go back home if I could without being killed"
For us, raised on WorldVision ads of starving hut people and top 10 HDI rankings, that's a shock to hear.
No.1432200
>>1431737The rural area must be bad as in infraestructure tho
No.1432202
>>1432199 - THE SEQUEL
Looks like someone uploaded it 5 months ago
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8er17dWorth a watch.
yes, australians are racist No.1432205
>>1431744>America is a state of mind.Words cannot describe how true this is. All filthy America-brained citizens of other countries should be deported; preferably to Puerto Rico so they experience American "generosity".
No.1432208
>>1431846legal marijuana? u got any source for that? i dont doubt it but i genuinely want to know
No.1432210
>>1432205Southern Hospitality™ - Puerto Rico edition
>>1432208NTA but I've heard it's vague and my country says just fuckin dont.
No.1432219
>>1432208It’s “legal” in the sense that they don’t have laws for it because the idea of indulging in drugs is unthinkable to the Korean people. If a foreigner decided to hit a reefer they would rightfully be expelled
No.1432226
>>1432219They just use it in cooking the same way we use nutmeg, don't act like they're above getting fucked up they drink soju
No.1432234
>>1432226no comrade they are NOBLE SAVAGES WHO ARE ABOVE WESTERN DECADENCE
No.1432242
>>1432234>eurasiaposting is just chauvinistic noble savage bullshiton the head
No.1432254
>>1432226I’ve never met a Korean that uses cannabis in cooking, I’m not sure it even has any properties that make it useful for cooking nor does it grow in the DPRK.
>>1432242Not necessarily, there are plenty of superstitions and meaningless traditions that need to be phased out of any society, even Korea’s come the transition to a global communist order
No.1432271
>>1431840Could Japan not calculate the trajectory? Did they really think this was going to be the day the DPRK just nukes them all? This evacuation seems hysteric to me.
No.1432283
If goryo norde is so bad, then how come they let folks use instagram?
https://www.wired.com/2013/11/nksocialmedia/ No.1432302
>>1432290Atleast post the pdf
No.1432495
>>1432219>the idea of indulging in drugs is unthinkable to the Korean peopleeverytime I see that flag I know its gonna be a dumb fucking post
asia was flooded with opium, and korea is no exception
No.1432673
>>1432208It grows everywhere. They use it for hemp but they also smoke/eat cannabis. It's mid tho. Not high trichome content. It's your grandpa's Mexican ditch weed from 1972
No.1432688
>>1432495To be fair to eurasiaposter, the flooding of Asia with opium from Brits and Frogs is probably why most Asian societies look down on non alcohol recreational substance use. It makes sense that Thailand was the first in the region to legalize recreational cannabis full stop since they were never colonized (depending on your view of the Asian theater of WWII)
No.1432722
>>1432222Checked
Got his ass
No.1432737
>>1432208It's not. You'll definitely be punished if you tried smoking weed there.
No.1432754
>>1432290>this whole book and its entire theoretical framework could be singly sourced and proven only by looking at what the fuck goes on in americalol
where's the lie tho?
If you're implying burgers are in a bicameral state (which does seem pretty accurate with the way media spectacle shapes things) then we are currently in breakdown stage meaning next up is (class?) consciousness.
No.1433158
>>1433145Who took a video of me
No.1433650
Why are Pyongyang's streets so empty? They have so many high rises on the other hand; it seems to validate the claim that the city is mostly for the rich few to enjoy.
No.1433663
>>1433650Boy, have you seen it or been there lately? There's lots of traffic these days. One reason for them replacing traffic police with traffic lights, and the reworks on the roads.
No.1433696
>>1433663From the pictures I've seen it looks pretty sparse for a skyscrapered city of 3 million+. I'd like to see what you are talking about by how the city is "lately".
No.1433734
>>1433696This
>>1175225 post's blog had
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/139893132146429424/ attached, and also talks about traffic in general. Traffic is also shown here:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLegd4KP36a0Y775Xl_HI_tvDKB6qoxPrx and here:
https://youtu.be/PzlubpkS63I which seems to be on par with what we have here.
It must also to be noted that there is little traffic not simply because of sanctions but also because the city planning emphasizes local areas to have all the services within walking distance alongside efficient public transport.
No.1433741
>>1433734Forgot to say that on par with what we have here in quieter hours of the day
No.1435068
>>1371082>Recentlythese things have been public knowledge since 2016 uygha
No.1435073
>>1371329there's no real advantage. OICW's are retarded and the US & South Korea dialed back on them. For some reason the norks decided to copy them out of all weapons.
No.1435078
>>1435073also the Nork OICW uses a bolt action system for its grenade launcher, which is interesting.
No.1438545
>>1438485
During the house market bubble in pre 2008 Spain tons of new houses were built too, perhaps even more than what are built in the DPRK, but there’s a catch, houses were built but it was too expensive for people to own one, and after the bubble crashed squaring is the only option for many people, the DPRK shines as a beacon of freedom for all that are crushed under the capitalist boot
No.1440533
https://dprktoday.com/abroad/news/45632President Kim Il Sung Praised Abroad>Pyongyang, April 18 (KCNA) – The congratulatory messages and letters sent on the occasion of the Day of the Sun reflect the international community's ardent reverence for President Kim Il Sung who made great contributions to the prosperity of the country and the accomplishment of the cause of global independence with his outstanding idea and rare leadership.
>The general secretary of the Communist Party of Mauritius said that Comrade Kim Il Sung, through his revolutionary practice, proved that independence is the justice of history, the victory of the revolution and the basis of the development of fair international relations, adding that he led the trend of history in the 20th century to independence, thus opening up a new history in which the popular masses independently carry out the revolution in their own country free from domination and submission.
>Kim Il Sung, who founded the great guiding idea in the era of independence and laid an eternal foundation for accomplishing the cause of independence of the popular masses, the socialist cause, will always be alive as the sun of Juche, he said.
>The chairman of the Nepal Communist Party (United Socialism) said that the exploits of the great Comrade Kim Il Sung, who liberated Korea from the Japanese imperialists' colonial rule, founded a dignified independent and sovereign state and honorably defended the sovereignty of the country and nation in the three-year war, would shine forever.
>The chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party "Russian Communists" said that the exploits of the great Comrade Kim Il Sung who provided the firm Russia-DPRK friendship and good-neighbourly relations are kept deep in the hearts of the Russian people.
>The general secretary of the Popular Revolutionary Party of the DR Congo praised Kim Il Sung as the founder of socialist Korea and the eternal President of the DPRK who built a country centered on the popular masses with his noble benevolent politics, regarding it as his lifelong motto to believe in the people as in Heaven. No.1441086
>>1441077I hate how hard the YT algorithm suggests anti-dprk propaganda, I should have saved some of them and posted them here for us to debunk or make fun of.
No.1443309
hey
a tankman told me to come here
I have a few words to say
supreme leader Kim; I demand Total worst Korean destruction
Kill worst Koreans, behead worst Korean, stomp on a worst Korean liberal, aikido flip a Hangeul executive into a particle accelerator, push a propagandist movie producer into a shark tank in his penthouse , manhunt chaebol rich kids in a closed park , turn BTS into BTWAS, convert financial cliques into fertilizer, fire bomb gyeonggi all the way back to the joseon dynasty, bury the industrialists alive, burn all the hamburgers, destroy all the funkopops, erase all the mukbang channels, tear down the weapon conglomerates, inject Hyundai managers with squid poison and call it a squid game, throw the ghost of Seoul into a ghost wood chipper and throw the wood chipper in the han river, skin Cho Doo-soon alive , wound LG C.E.O with a thousand cuts, toss sexpats in a mineshaft, blow up a plastic surgery clinics, throw a K pop manager off the Samsung tower and have him land on his balls, eat an English teacher’s liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti, use the heads of the heads of worst Korea as soccer balls, blow up the banks, throw 200 billion Wons into a paper shredder, make rich families commite suicide ,piss on the grave of Syngman Rhee, put south Korean tycoons in a small rigged to blow clown car, cook a christcuck evangelist in boiling oil LIVE on air, fire on medics, fire on the UN, convert US soldiers into comfort men, tie marketing executives into a nuclear missile and fire it at the NATO headquarter, drown a Fair Trade Commissioner in molten gold, make kim ill sung look like a humanitarian.
I'm done
tell him its urgent
No.1447149
DPRK for the win
No.1449193
>>1445044When the USA produces a movie of Cuba invading Colorado there's no ideology at play for sure.
No.1449237
>>1445044Shin Sang-ok had legal problems in the south where his film studio was closed down. He defected to the DPRK (like many other southerners did during the Cold War era). Later he thought that he could get richer in Hollywood and defected again with a made up story about kidnapping.
If the DPRK kidnapped him, they would not have allowed him to go on international trips to promote their films.
No.1449257
>>1449253i want kim yo jong to twist my balls and spit on me and call me a good girl
No.1450349
>>1431737>If north korea is so terribleIt's not, it's just very poor after many decades of sanctions and losing their biggest trade partner and supporter in the 90s, really the CIA are kicking the dirt that DPRK isn't literally unliveable and probably would be unliveable if a small number of people were able to seek endless profit in an artificially limited economy, but instead they've planned and made what little money they have go a long way.
If you even try to go down the rabbit hole of "Why doesn't North Korea look like literal hell on earth with people eating rats and walking over carpets of emaciated bodies?", they've already got their copes like
>Ackshually that's only in the camps, of course you can't see images of that! No one in the 70 years of North Korean history has anyone snuck out an image of a camp, but they definitely exist and are as bad as the North Korean defectors I pay say it is!>Superdollarz! They just print loads of near-perfectly reproduced dollars and their international trade partners are as easily fooled as your local mom & pop store by fake dollars>Durgz! They're the biggest producers of heroin in the world, well almost, they're still behind the CIA in Afghanistan, but they definitely do it as well! Satellite images of North Korean poppy fields coming soon. No.1450754
>>1450335DPRK is by all objective metrics Best Korea.
No.1450765
>>1431737Has 'bad' looking places too, that is, poor and rural, it is still a bad country and the authorities are touchy of putting out photographs of these things because of the obvious propaganda, they feel the need to put the best image forward.
It does very well for its situation though, i just do not think enough americans have a good grasp of what the economic situation of NK is to make such a judgement so even a nice photo of a modern city could be called by them as 'bad'.
No.1450911
>>1445017Is there any city on earth this beautiful?
No.1450948
>>1449257It would be beneath her to even have knowlege of your desires.
No.1451024
>>1432219for the love of christ go to party and tap a blunt or something
No.1451213
>>1432754i think it's more like the opposite, that we are in a state of hypervigilance and are needing to constantly supply our own injunctions to navigate exploitative and dangerous situations
individualism as per that book's claims is something that developed later, from literacy and stuff, being able to counter authoritative introjections. We'd be on the far left-brained side of the spectrum, focused on conscious intentional action rather than passive being. I'd like to just say it's probably not exactly related to this and more to do with anxiety and trauma in an exploitative and dangerous world of individualism… (tho tbh depression might counter my point, since it is relatively very high in the US, and it's characterized by a mix of rumination _and_ introjection, making it a dominance of language in both the left-brained conscious and bicameral sense… smth to think about ig)
No.1451509
>>1432254You can make cooking oil with hemp seeds, it's rich in polyunsaturated fats which are good for you.
No.1454552
>>1431737Never judge a book by it's cover
No.1454579
>>1451213Maybe that's more common but the burger brain worms usually associated with the status quo is more in line with the bicameral mind. You know, Fox News etc giving people a bunch of archetypes to occupy their mind and make them act like NPCs carrying out the schizo culture war. Most people aren't doing that and the ones that are aren't doing it all the time, but it's a major trend.
No.1454950
>>1431737Is it true that places other than Pyongyang looks shitty ?
No.1455047
>>1454950No, you can simply watch videos or google maps images
No.1465268
"The DPRK is licherally a monarchy"
People said that about Cuba when Fidel Castro's brother, Raúl, was elected. Now no Castro is in government.
People voting for revolutionaries with a connection to the founding struggle of their nation doesn't make that country a "monarchy".
https://twitter.com/kimilsungist/status/1653485779572740099?s=20 No.1465279
>>1465268that's because only the US is allowed that the leaders of a revolution become governors one after the other.
No.1465300
>>1465279Only USA is allowed political dynasties, also. Like that one NY representative that had the seat passed to his family for centuries now, lol
No.1465304
>>1465268what are the merits Jong Un had in order to be elected, btw?
No.1465306
>>1465268>People said that about Cuba when Fidel Castro's brother, Raúl, was elected. Now no Castro is in government.I remember the gusanos going full damage control mode when Raul Castro stepped down from the presidency because he hadn't given up his position as First Secretary of the CPC, saying he was still leading the country from afar, only for him to then step down from that position three years later.
No.1465322
>>1464511Voodoo medicine on pages 22, 23. I remember from around ten years ago Norks advertising some magical watch with a healing crystal that directs and bundles sun light. Does this ever end :/
No.1465325
>>1465304Probably better knowledge of revolutionary theory and management from his father
No.1465340
>>1465300nuh uh, that is different because these guys sometimes lose to another political dinasty.
No.1465354
>>1465322Actually, acorns are surprisingly good for you. They're not technically lying, just exaggerating since it's an advertisement magazine.
No.1470542
>North Korean government ousted by western parties
what's the first thing the west does? Will the let South Korea run in and take over? Install a puppet government?
No.1471427
>>1471407I don't know. did you watch the Tifo video on it?
No.1471493
>>1471427blocked in my country and i'm penniless for a VPN
No.1471498
>>1471493https://1.1.1.1/Use this then Its free and unlimited
No.1471506
>>1471493try
https://piped.kavin.rocks/Anyway, here's the transcript
The World Cup brings together the best national teams and players from across the globe, encourages
interaction between different cultures, aims to create long-term legacies, and occasionally creates a huge upset on the pitch.
The 1966 tournament in England was the highpoint in English football and made household names of Geoff Hurst and Bobby Moore. Yet, in the North East town of Middlesbrough, a bunch
of ‘mystery men’ from controversial qualifiers North Korea became equally renowned, none
more so than Pak Doo Ik, whose goal against football giants Italy brought about the greatest shock in World Cup history. His strike at Middlesbrough’s Ayresome Park stadium sent the Azzurri tumbling of the tournament, secured the Asian minnows a quarter-final berth and cemented a friendship between North Korea’s footballers and the local football faithful that has endured into the twenty-first century against a backdrop of challenging diplomatic relations and international political
fallout.
The North Korean’s victory that stunned the football world was all the more remarkable given their unorthodox route to the Finals in England. For the 1966 tournament FIFA allocated only one qualification place to all nations from the Africa, Asia and Oceania associations. The Confederation of Africa Football - also riled at FIFA’s placing of the pariah state of South Africa in Asian qualification because of the political sensitivities in the continent
(although subsequently disqualified) - boycotted the tournament. Withdrawal by South Korea as a result of logistics, concerns that participation by their footballers
in the qualifiers would prohibit the individual players from competing in the 1968 Olympic Games, or, more cynically, in fear of defeat by their northern neighbours - meant it was
left to Australia and North Korean to contest the sole qualification spot. A two-legged play-off held in neutral Cambodia brought a 9-2 aggregate win for the Asian minnows,
including a stunning 6-1 win in the opening encounter. The Koreans’ victory, just over a decade after the Korean War, posed a diplomatic headache for a UK government that did not recognise the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK). As revealed by the research of Professor Martin Polley, the Foreign Office were in fact exploring options to prevent the Koreans from participating in the World Cup. In their ground-breaking Foundations of Managing Sporting Events: Organizing the 1966 FIFA World Cup, business historians Dr Alex Gillett and Dr Kevin Tennent’s have described North Korea’s qualification as having made‘ interaction between football and international diplomacy unavoidable’. Ultimately, this interaction brought compromise, including an agreement to refer to DPRK as ‘North Korea’ and even excluding the flag from a commemorative
World Cup stamp. In Middlesbrough, the prospect of seeing the North Koreans – who were drawn to play all
their Group 4 games at the town’s Ayresome Park - generated little enthusiasm locally, an apathy evident in the stadium attracting the lowest attendances of the tournament.
Yet there was a curiosity about the Koreans on Teesside, with early signs of bonds between the new ‘home team’ and locals evident in young supporters’ attendance of their
training sessions and the local press chronicling the Koreans’ tournament preparations. Even Alderman Jack Boothby, Mayor of Middlesbrough, promised the Koreans support, declaring that
‘You wear the same colours as Middlesbrough, we will shout for you’. In the opening match at Ayresome Park, those who did turn out witnessed echoes of recently
relegated Middlesbrough. The new ‘home team’ suffered a 3-0 defeat to the USSR and were bullied by their more physical opponents. North Korea’s prospects of progression, or even recording any points, looked even
more bleak in their next match, as they fell behind to an early Chilane penalty – a goal greeted with silence from the Boro faithful. However, only minutes from elimination, the Koreans sent the crowd into raptures with a late equaliser from Pak Seung Jin (Zin).
The local newspaper, the Evening Gazette’s journalist Cliff Mitchell, captured the emotions of the moment: When the equaliser came, some electric strip lighting in the Press refreshment room up
in the stand at Ayresome Park was brought down by the stamping of a crowd that has well and truly ‘adopted’ the Asians…the Koreans, obviously heartened by the fact that they were cheered every time they were on the ball, attacked with tremendous enthusiasm…
North Korea were given little hope in their final group match against Italy, one of the pre-tournament favourites and a world football force, but this did not deter the majority of the Middlesbrough crowd, who drowned out the noise of some 3,000 Italian supporters at Ayresome Park. In the days before substitutions at the World Cup, Italy were reduced to ten men due to an injury to Bulgarelli and the North Koreans took full advantage minutes before half time with a Pak Doo Ik strike. Despite an Italian onslaught, the underdogs held on. The final whistle was greeted with ‘uproar’ and BBC commentator Frank Bough
exclaimed ‘this stadium has never had support like this for years and years’.
The North Koreans declared ‘our success is due to the support given by the citizens of Middlesbrough and because our players fought for the fatherland’. The Soviet’s defeat
of Chile the following night confirmed the Koreans progress and 3,000 Boro fans headed to Goodison Park to support their new heroes. The Koreans took a 3-0 lead over Eusebio’s Portugal in the quarter final before eventually going out 5-3, bringing to an end the first chapter of the Middlesbrough-North Korean love affair. The connection was in hiatus until the early twenty-first century, when The Game of Their Lives documentary by Dan Gordon and Nick Bonner, which explored the story of 1966, reignited the Boro-Pyongyang flame. Filmed in late 2001 after the North Korean government granted unprecedented interview access to the former players and permissions to film in North Korea, the rediscovery of the international connection led to Gordon and Bonner pursuing proposals to bring the North Korean heroes back to Teesside. The idea gained the support of leading figures,
including local MP Frank Cook, the Ambassador of the Republic of South Korea, and Middlesbrough FC Chairman Steve Gibson who told Gordon: The story of the North Korean’s heroics in the 1966 World Cup is the stuff of legends
up here in Middlesbrough. They are still warmly remembered and I am thrilled that, through your programme, their remarkable tale will now reach a wider audience. Please pass on our best wishes to the players and the people that you will meet on your trip. Supported by financial and in-kind backing from numerous quarters including Middlesbrough Council and Middlesbrough FC, the 1966 World Cup heroes made a glorious return to Teesside
in October 2002.
The Game of Their Lives was screened at the town’s cinema and the town was decorated to mark the occasion. With the North Korean flag flying above Middlesbrough Town Hall,
the Speaker of Middlesbrough, Ken Hall, hosted a civic reception for the Koreans just as Mayor Boothby had done 36 years previously, whilst there was also a celebration dinner
held at the Riverside Stadium, Ayresome Park’s successor. At Boro’s home game against Leeds United, the Koreans received a hero’s welcome on the pitch and the Middlesbrough fanzine Fly Me To the Moon even produced a ‘DPRK Special’, its centrefold featured a letter from the footballers of 1966 to the citizens of Middlesbrough declaring:
The cheering voices of the citizens of Middlesbrough [from 1966] remain fresh still in our memory…we can clearly remember the people of Middlesbrough who had warmly welcomed us, enthusiastically supported us during our game against Italy and even followed us up to Liverpool…we are looking forward to seeing you in the stadium with warm and friendly feelings of 36 years ago.
No.1476746
New report on slavery claims North Korea leads the world:
>By this benchmark, reclusive and authoritarian North Korea has the highest prevalence of modern slavery (104.6 per 1,000 population), according to the report.
>It is followed by Eritrea (90.3) and Mauritania (32), which in 1981 became the last country in the world to make hereditary slavery illegal.
No.1476845
>>1476746If they are counting prison population (based on estimates from anti-DPRK sources) as slaves, then USA has the most slaves.
No.1477536
>>1455047yo wtf mods why did that guys post get deleted?
No.1479460
>>1476746>capitalist think tank>thinks socialist countries have more slavesLMAAAOOO ever heard of wage slavery
No.1479489
Juche is straight up NazBol.
It is explicitly nationalist, and officially departed from M-L after they no longer needed to suck on the USSR.
>The establishment of the Songun doctrine in the mid-1990s then formally designated the military, not the proletariat or working class, as the main revolutionary force in North Korea.
No, this isn't saying we shouldn't critically support them. But once the USA is taken care of, we need to have a long talk with them to make sure they'll keep to themselves.
No.1479497
>>1479489Juche is explicitly internationalist. It defines internationalism as cooperation between nations. Of course you could define this attitude as nationalist because it promotes the idea of nations but that's reductive.
No.1479511
>>1431744Just another CIA agent destroying our collective brain-cells to slow down the socialist uprising.
No.1479536
>>1479489Songun policy has been downgraded in importance now that they have a proper nuclear deterrent
No.1479810
>>1431737>OP cannot into Potemkin VillagesMany such cases!
No.1481250
come on this is ridiculous and just because its to the benefit of a state that came out of a socialist tradition whatever we think of it, that's no excuse for sloppy arguments
There are plenty of places that 'look nice' in India as well but that doesn't change the fact that its got some of the poorest and most wretched areas on the entire planet.
I would strongly suspect according to all of the evidence that nowhere in the DPRK is actually like that contrary to what westoid propaganda would have you believe but no doubt its also a tough, austere life in a blockaded and sanctioned country in a state of near constant military mobilisation, yeah. You no doubt in many respects probably live a better life even as a western worker sitting in the heart of imperialism and capitalism.
You don't need to pretend that socialist states are wonderful and brilliant to live in right now to defend socialism and their legacy of achievement - everything is relative.
No.1481252
>>1481250I think I live a better life in the west; I think I would live a happier life in NK.
I want the happy life here though, I can recongise its better here because we bombed them.
No.1481431
>>1481250This. Everything I've heard about communist states once you filter out the propaganda seems to come down to: It's not perfect insofar as certain civil rights issues have historically probably not been dealt with super well in like the Soviet Union for example (but then again the west isn't better in this respect – worse even), and they tend to have less ability to consoom, but you also aren't living a sad wage slave existence commuting an hour to a precarious minimum wage job with no set hours (form of torture) where your entire life could go to shit immediately from one unforeseen expense or medical emergency. At least this is what I've gathered from life in East Germany, hard to say what it's like in Based Korea exactly.
No.1482470
11.5K likes
No.1485605
>>1143985Where can I find a source for this interview? Can anybody tell me or link me to it?
No.1489342
Construction is speeding up in the Sopho area of Pyongyang where another modern street for thousands of families is rising. Agitprop activities by youth league shock brigades are being thoroughly conducted, with uplifting patriotic songs echoing throughout the construction sites.
https://twitter.com/NatalieRevolts/status/1665508884008562696?s=20 No.1498789
https://archive.is/HNLVORussia has resumed sending oil to sanctions-hit North Korea for the first time since 2020, deepening cooperation between the two nations that the US claims also includes sending arms from Pyongyang to help the Kremlin’s war in Ukraine.
A report released this week from a United Nations sanctions committee said Russia began sending refined petroleum products to North Korea in December 2022, which has continued into 2023. The shipments had been halted in about October 2020, the data showed, but Russia has sent about 67,000 barrels of oil since it restarted the flow.
The resumption of oil shipments comes as cooperation between the long-time partners has picked up in recent months, raising concerns that both nations may be evading sanctions in a partnership that helps North Korea’s beleaguered economy and funnels arms to Russian President Vladimir Putin for his attack on Ukraine.
Russia and North Korea appeared to have resumed trade over their sole rail link late last year, according to satellite images published by the 38 North website. The link had been closed in February 2020 when Kim Jong Un sealed his borders against the emerging Covid-19 threat.
No.1498835
>>1498789Great. Why the fuck should Russia follow US rules based order anymore now that relationship btw them is effectively over. Trading goes brr
No.1499218
Are people currently starving? Is there another famine coming?
No.1499300
>>1499218why would there be? IIRC there's been no food problems since the 90s
No.1499320
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65881803North Korea: Residents tell BBC of neighbours starving to death
No.1499324
>>1499320>no actual video/audio testimonyok
No.1499340
>>1499324Name three times the BBC lied about their interviews. I would be impressed with even one really.
No.1499344
>>1499341That interview is real and took place, even if the subject may be biased. But why would a real North Korean living in the country lie? It's understandable that their face/voice gets concealed for the sake of their safety, but faking interviews altogether is not what the BBC does.
No.1499770
>>1499320>The BBC has secretly interviewed three ordinary people in North Korea, with the help of the organisation Daily NK which operates a network of sources in the country.Even if the BBC did not deliberately lie, I have no doubts some S-Korean, US-backed NGO would
No.1499788
the BBC can't lie it has to tell the truth by law!
No.1500721
>>1500716>weekend rioting claimed at least 156 liveswhat the fugg? :^D
No.1500728
>>1500721American puppets from the WUC stirring shit up. Thankfully those days are over.
No.1500825
>>1500716>Pics 1 and 2They're quoting someone and make sure to specify that this statement is from this particular individual and not an established truth - this is just regular reporting. These are two different sources also, so it's not like the BBC made up two different stories.
>Pic 3This picture doesn't show up once in the actual article.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56423366 No.1501847
>>1491516all the yeonmi park memes are giving me hope that people aren't buying this shit any more
No.1501929
>>1499320>with the help of the organisation Daily NKThis is a south Korean organization with the sole purpose of making up shit about the north
No.1504147
https://www.wired.com/story/internet-reality-north-korea/And I noticed a contradiction in this recent report, though maybe not intentional. It says the intranet isn't accessible to most North Korean. But later mentions this figure:
>Around 50 to 80 percent of adults may now have mobile phones, allowing them to text and call family members.In recent years many of these are cheap smartphones. Which are often connectable to the intranet.
No.1504168
>>1504147they are not really connected to the global internet but they do have a there own local internet network.
No.1504688
>Why did Best Korea removed all references to Marx and Communism from their constitution in 2009?
Proofs? Also imagine taking Western MSM reporting about Best Korea at face value.
No.1504777
>>1504168>local internet networkIt's called an intranet anon.
No.1504786
>>1504686>>1504679Because moving towards full communism in the short term is impossible for a small state under siege. Kim still mentions communism in his speeches and it is mentioned in their media too.
There are other examples of Marxist-Leninist states which did not have the word "communism" in the constitution. Albanian constitution did not mention it until 1976, despite being controlled by communists starting in 1944.
Also the Washington Post article is just another example of repeating nonsense made up by southern NGOs.
No.1504799
>>1504679Didn't they recently return it? Also can't answer to why it was removed.
Also your image is libsus.
No.1504913
>>1504679>The Cleanest RaceOrientalist nonsense.
No.1504937
>>1504936this makes me wonder how many anons own a copy of mein kampf. I'm actually quite proud of mine - it's like a cool relic.
No.1505215
>>1504679First of all it’s important to note that the constitution of the DPRK never mentioned Communism, or even Socialism until 1972.
These were the changes that occurred concerning Communism:
(Pre-2009 version of Article 29)
Socialism and Communism are built by the creative labour of the working masses, who have been freed from exploitation and oppression. The State renders the labour of our working people, who do not worry about unemployment, more joyful and worthwhile, so that they willingly work with conscious enthusiasm and creativeness for society, organizations and for themselves.
(Modern Version of Article 29)
Socialism is built by the creative labour of the working people. Labour in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is independent and creative labour of the working people, freed from exploitation and oppression. The State renders the labour of our working people, to whom unemployment is unknown, more joyful and worthwhile, so that they willingly work with conscious enthusiasm and creativeness for society, the collective and themselves.
(Pre-2009 Version of Article 40)
The DPRK shall, by carrying out a thorough cultural revolution, train the working people to be builders of Socialism and Communism equipped with a profound knowledge of nature and society and a high level of culture and technology, thus making the whole of society intellectual.
(Modern Version of Article 40)
The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea shall, by carrying out a thorough cultural revolution, train all the people to be builders of Socialism equipped with a profound knowledge of nature and society and a high level of culture and technology, thus making all the people well-versed in science and technology.
I couldn’t find an english translation for the older version of Article 43, basically it first mentioned people of the Communist type, then people of the Juche type, now it has been rewritten to pillars of Socialism.
(Modern Version of Article 43)
The State shall embody the principles of socialist pedagogy so as to raise the rising generation to be genuine patriots who will fight for society and collective, for the country and the people, to be pillars of Socialism who are knowledgeable, morally sound and physically healthy.
Those were the only mentions of Communism that existed in the entire constitution.
>>1504786Exactly
No.1539392
CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com › asia › us-nat…
US soldier believed to be detained by North Korea after crossing border
No.1539396
>>1539392They should just make him tour pyongyang
No.1539462
>>1539456Italian media says he disappeared in "the world's scariest place".
Ahahahah!
No.1539846
"US soldier who 'defected to North Korea' shouted 'ha ha ha' as he ran over border"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/soldier-who-defected-north-korea-30496425Take notes yankees of military age
No.1539856
>>1539615Inside one of the articles used as proof it is staged:
>Look, I don’t know if the North Korean government paid for the trip, or had any involvement at all in these videos.xdddd
No.1539878
>>1539661He should go on North Korean television and tell stories about how westerners have to pull the trains when the fuel runs out.
No.1539880
>>1539456He looks like a real human bean.
No.1539888
>>1539878nah the dprk is civilized, they gonna give him a job as an actor to play the evil american in action movies.
although he could go on tv to explain why he felt better to defect rather than go back and have to pay his student debt himself
No.1539895
>>1539661they're aware that NK borders china ? he can go anywhere not nato aligned
>oryxoh they're retards
also
>disciplinary reasonsis pretty vague.
No.1539906
Don't know what he did. Probably just some ridiculous shit such as a drug test. Don't think becoming a super villain actor and English teacher for the rest of your life sounds worse than being in American military prison.
No.1540069
>>1540056>private markets make up 30-50% of the DPRK economyThat's an overestimate
>it's good btw because liberalizing economyNo it's not good and taean work system is best cuz worker democracy anyway
No.1540077
>>1540069>That's an overestimateConsidering the fact that in China, Vietnam, Lao etc. most of the economy is run by private sector and even state companies operate under market mechanisms like a private company without any quota… Its quite possible imo
No.1540078
Also many special economic zones with legalized private sector are also springing up throughout DPRK
No.1540087
>>1540056don't care
didn't watch
can smell the liberal on him
anybody who talks any amount of shit about the DPRK without pointing out that the situation was created by US intervention needs to get mocked into the shadow realm and have their reputation ruined as a white supremacist
No.1540207
>>1539615in north korea there is only one water park, and when westerners visit it you have to pretend it is fun, only one water park
No.1540356
>>1539888the amount of bullshit the US does with their own citizens unpunished means someone ca be a like a korean gusano telling absurd tales that are a actually true.
No.1540411
>>1540056>Andrei LankovHe's a post-Soviet anti-communist academic who repeatedly spreads nonsense.
The private economic activity that does exist is mostly an illegal black market and this is a consequence of the crisis of the 90s and the continued sanctions afterwards. This is always exaggerated in western media to seem like DPRK is going to privatize at any moment for the last 30 years.
No.1540484
>>1540411What about the special economic zones then ? Heard many businesses from China, Russia are pouring in investment and constructing infrastructure there
No.1540501
>>1540484literally the whole point of having SEZ is getting capital investment to develop industrial capacity and get foreign currencies without having to reform the whole economy
No.1540520
>>1540501That was the excuse that countries like Vietnam, China etc. gave at first but we all know what happened. Their actual plan was to experiment with market step by step and implement it throughout the country
No.1540526
>>1540520Seems burger hours have arrived, time for me to check out.
Be well comrades.
No.1541829
More detail about the American who defected:
>Army Private 2nd Class Travis King, 23, was accused of punching a man several times in the face at a club on September 25 last year, Seoul court records indicate. Two weeks later, on October 8, Korean authorities responded to another dust-up involving King, who was allegedly displaying “aggressive behavior,” according to the court documents. When police put him in the backseat of the patrol car, King reportedly spouted expletives and insults aimed at Koreans, the South Korean army, and the police. He then kicked the patrol car door several times, resulting in about 584,000 won, or $460, in damages, the ruling said.
No.1542000
>>1541829i doubt north korea's gonna want anything to do with him, sounds like a loser
No.1542007
>>1542000it all is merely but learned burger behavior. they will try to study him, rehabilitate him, and teach him the ways of a civilized society. There is still some use and humanity within him. it can be fostered
No.1544798
>>1543168Yep, it's surprising to discover that it's open for tourism (well, I haven't checked since the pandemic, but it certainly was). And that they have a pretty cool water park and aquarium.
My school (5EYES but not burger) was actually approached to do a student exchange program with an NK school, although that idea didn't go down to well with conservative rich-neighbourhood families, I heard. There are enough exchange students and Western teachers (e.g. language, compsci) for it to make news every once in a while.
No.1546586
>>1546264South Korea has double the population and an economy maybe a 100 times bigger, North Korea is still a somewhat agrarian country that depends on food aid, whose economy is heavily impaired by American, EU, Russian and UNSC sanctions, that is spending most available resources on the military.
They just don't have the capacity to generate near the amount of electricity the south or China do, it's frankly ridiculous to say NASA is conspiring to make NK look bad, Chinese and Russian pictures would show the same thing NASA pictures show.
No.1547286
>>1547225How did they talk shit about China? Did they call them revisionist or something?
No.1548409
>>1547286They criticized China in state media when China voted for sanctions in the UNSC and when China condemned the nuke testing
No.1549393
>>1547225lmao how did i miss this
https://archive.today/Ia9tm> SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea’s state media on Friday stepped up a personal attack on former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden for slandering its leader, calling the Democratic presidential candidate “a rabid dog” that needed to be put down. No.1550411
>>1550403The only reason why NK looks weird to Anglos is because they do not remember what genuine humans act like.
No.1550632
>>1550403based and epic, interesting to see the shiny new equipment the KPA is fielding
No.1550637
>>1550411To be fair i watched the documentary about Laibach playing in BK and it was pretty wholesome.
Was not just any anglo's either it was BBC on TV.
No.1561364
Suprised this hasn't made its way here yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x5dH49s30oFellow Traveler made a 3 hour documentary on North Korean history.
No.1562456
Best Korea
No.1563433
>>1561364Holy shit this is phenomenal.
I knew I should've read that DPRK book by Anna Louise Strong, I guess I'll have to add that to my list now.
No.1569494
>>1561335I haven't been reading about them, but I suspect the circumstances of the defection are pretty different to King's. The accounts of King's made it sound like they was some based retard having a joke.
>>1569474ooooooo!
No.1571006
Update on the American soldier who defected to the DPRK:
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/42c33fbd77a906c5d1b5910748b7c41a.kcmsf
<KCNA Report on Interim Findings of Investigation into American Solider
>Pyongyang, August 16 (KCNA) – KCNA issued the following report:
>In the joint security area of Panmunjom on July 18, Juche 112 (2023), there happened an incident in which Travis King, a private 2nd class of the U.S. Army in south Korea, illegally intruded into the territory of the DPRK.
>At 15:30 on July 18, King, who accompanied tourists to the joint security area of Panmunjom, came to be kept under control by soldiers of the Korean People's Army on duty as he deliberately intruded into the area of the DPRK side between the room for the DPRK-U.S. military contacts and the rest room of security officers along the Military Demarcation Line.
>According to an investigation by a relevant organ of the DPRK, Travis King admitted that he illegally intruded into the territory of the DPRK.
>During the investigation, Travis King confessed that he had decided to come over to the DPRK as he harbored ill feeling against inhuman maltreatment and racial discrimination within the U.S. Army.
>He also expressed his willingness to seek refugee in the DPRK or a third country, saying that he was disillusioned at the unequal American society.
>The investigation continues. -0-
>www.kcna.kp (Juche112.8.16.) No.1571019
>>1571006They are gonna send his ass home.
No.1573042
https://archive.org/details/DPRKTextsHuge collection of textbooks from the DPRK in Korean
No.1574069
>>1569474Follow on video
https://www.youtube.com/live/xpOq2-0373sIn regards to questions about whether Best Korea is socialist or not; Workplace democracy.
How do you think they were able to maintain a high tech society under the embargoes they've endured.
No.1574523
>>1574073based DPRK saving babies from being boiled
No.1574617
>>1574073The only source: one article from an American newspaper quoting Peruvian government
>wow our commies are so crazy that other commies support us against them No.1574627
https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/ndfp-celebrates-the-76th-anniversary-of-the-glorious-workers-party-of-korea/ (October 2021)
>The National Democratic Front of the Philippines (NDFP) extends the warmest revolutionary greetings to the Workers’ Party of Korea (WPK) as it celebrates its 76th anniversary in the leadership of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). The alliance of underground revolutionary organizations of the Filipino people fighting for national freedom and democracy has profound respect and admiration for the party of the working class and people of North Korea—the party that led the struggle for a country that is independent from imperialism and is building socialism. No.1575026
>>1574617Fair point honestly.
No.1575937
>>1561364watched it, pretty good, although he could have mentioned the bacteriological warfare and the fact that UN without true china and USSR was basically nato
I'd have liked more digging into the modern political system of dprk too.
tbf his vid is already 3h+.
No.1582371
https://youtu.be/riikR_LBfE4?si=tpZdfn9LUSKFbWvQ>these fucking commentsWesterners will believe anything lmao
No.1589553
>>1589529Clapistanis clap for the burger flag when they are just indentured servants to the bourgeoisie and the police will clap them if they don't clap enough for HFCS and Red #5.
No.1589586
>>1589529the same mfs who will thank nazi soldiers for their service in reddit comments
No.1596331
Some important developments are happening
No.1601602
>>1593065I feel like all this stuff about N Korean hackers is bullshit. N Korea is so societally isolated from the greater international culture that people are even able to make expensive movies about killing certain political figures something that for example has not happened with Russia or China for example. I feel like this is just a bullshit excuse to justify a fuck up or to steal money
No.1601609
>>1589586what a dumb post, comrade
No.1601614
>>1601602I think they are real and based.
It's the kind of shit all nations do, cyber crime that is but based and regularly targets the enemies of us all.
No.1601622
>>1600913this picture is bullshit, it's been debunked a thousand times already
source for the pic is page 46-47 in this pdf
No.1601669
>>1601602Lazarus is a well-established APT.
Not only does it make complete sense for them to have a state-sponsored cyber capability, it would be embarrassing if they didn't for the last ten years.
>>1601614I keep my support for these groups critical (they're frequently finance-driven opportunists who would ransom a hospital and your water supply if it were an effective way to get money), but Lazarus consistently focuses on big-fish financial targets (banks, crypto, media, pharma), Western cyber researchers, and governments/military (esp. South Korea). So critical support.
No.1602410
>>1602286more context would be appreciated. I think it is necessary to understand that multiculturalism under free market is a different thing from multiculturalism not in a free market society. Cultures under free market get simplified and objectified and turned into commodities that get turned into parodies of the original, still doesn’t justify the statement made in the text. Also it is likely that further two parts of Korea develop further they become more different in culture, language and values which makes unification less likely and more violent, this could be the reason for this statement.
No.1602447
>>1602286literally written : they want to reunite korea while the south korean porkies want to import cheap labor and let US and japanese porkies impose their globalized bourgeois culture where nations doesnt matter, only capital.
it obviously have harmful reactionary tendencies, but nationalism can be progressive and their unique context makes it not that harmful: I doubt its gonna lead to any repression of the illegal underclass of immigrants in dprk cause they dont exist.
On the other hand, the multicultural celebration of sk is just thin progressive paint on the exploitation of migrant workers and integration into the globalized and merchandised capitalist culture
No.1602475
>>1602286Standard bourgeois nationalist line. Rather than viewing socialist society as the only context in which a truly multinational, multiracial society can exist with real equality (USSR during its revolutionary period and Cuba being prime examples) they are uncritically accepting the bourgeois conception of race as scientific and irreconcilable, and of nation as only being able to persist in a "homogeneous" (a word/conception which inherently requires the idealist erasure of internal contradictions) society.
The idea of the "homogeneous" nation or state is absurd on its face and is a historical falsehood. Even the so-called "homogeneous" status of the Nordic states (which many reactionaries cite as the reason why their social-democracy "works", as opposed to social-imperialism), is a mythology constructed by these states as a means to both legitimize themselves and pave the way for the bourgeois/fascist project of exploiting the land and peoples they control. Ask the Sámi people how homogeneous a society Sweden, Norway, or Finland is, I'm sure they'd be happy to enlighten you as to how many were murdered to achieve that illusion. It's especially absurd to view the "multinational, multiracial" concept as nothing more than a means to "Americanize" Korea. The United States itself actively seeks homogeneity despite the claims of the "progressive" wing of its fascism. There are tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of indigenous women
alive today who have been sterilized by Federal and state governments against their will. Black culture is wrung out and commodified for all its worth and discarded when white people are finished with it. Immigrants are told that we are a "melting pot" while their cherished family and cultural practices are regarded with fear and revulsion until they warp them into barely-recognizable husks more palatable to white tastes. In every instance "homogeneity" is nothing more than a mask the dominant nation puts on to pretend it doesn't need to come to terms with its own chauvinism. "Why work on myself?" it says, "everyone agrees with me anyways!" A so-called "Worker's Party" adopting that conception and not doing an iota of work to analyze the conditions of its greatest global enemy (evidenced by its absurdly out-of-touch view of the US) is deeply alarming.
Their conception of "multiracial" is similarly alarming. Like
>>1602410 said, there is a legitimate critique to be made of these concepts in the context of bourgeois society, where they cannot genuinely exist and instead act as smokescreens for national exploitation and imperialism. For those of us fighting for the construction of the dictatorship of the proletariat it's critical that we have a firm conception of what's scientific and what isn't. Race, in any respect, is an unscientific term with no material basis. Bourgeois forces hastily and messily redefine it constantly once each conceptualization is revealed as unworkable. First it was about spirit (or original sin even!), then it was about skull shape and IQ, then it was about genetic traits, and now we're throwing in mitochondrial DNA. Whatever arbitrary correlation pseudoscientists thought they found would be magically the reason why one group in western society is dominant over all others, and the differences between the "civilized" and "uncivilized" the reason why social strife persists. No, class struggle cannot possibly be a thing, there aren't material differences in interest between different sections of production, you see Stalin was really just a dumb Asiatic Georgian and that's why he was a communist! Yet constantly bourgeois ideologues are hounded by the age-old (and correct) statement that "correlation doesn't equal causation" and are only able to maintain race as an immutable, "scientific" trait by restricting the masses view of the greater context that these trends arise in. Race quickly falls apart with even cursory knowledge of the genuine causes of inequality and destitution in capitalist society, and on the intellectual front the emerging study of epigenetics is likewise challenging dominant pseudoscience.
All of this is to say that the principal relevancy of race to the communist movement is in seeking reparations for what racialized people are owed from the bourgeois class (as part of the wider project of the oppression of that class in the DotP) and actively challenging the racialized superstructure in bourgeois society which maintains a class collaborationist attitude among many. The correct response to western "multiracial" narratives is to correctly state that only socialism and later communism can actually bring about such an equal and equitable society. Instead, the Worker's Party accepts bourgeois pseudoscience as fact and, rather than fighting against the west on the home turf of the scientific working class, has decided to fight on the terrain the west has chosen for them. They're being baited into a trap position to alienate them from the wider movement, and fell for it hook, line, and sinker. I would be less harsh about these critiques if the Worker's Party still showed any real interest in taking part in these international line struggles and actually sought to be a part of the International Communist Movement, but they have made it clear that they are uninterested outside of performative greetings and window dressing.
No.1603471
>>1602286Shitty translation and the ROK does use multiraciality to present itself as better than the DPRK, in a way that could be likened to leftypol users' favorite subject of discussion, idpol. This is also be hinted at by the quotation marks around "multiracial society" and the sudden cutoff of the text could hint to a deliberately misrepresented meme image.
No.1603501
>>1603471*quotations around "multiracial society" in the sense that capitalist conception of it is bullshit
No.1603680
>>1603471It's a correct translation. The full text is pretty easy to find online. For example:
https://espressostalinist.com/2015/07/30/the-dprk-on-race/Link also includes further links to sources in the original Korean, in case you wanna verify the translation yourself.
No.1603808
So, how do people justify North Korea abducting Japanese citizens?
No.1603832
>>1603808Japan raped, murdered, and enslaved Koreans for decades and to this day refuses to admit any fault in that, and yet we're supposed to cry rivers about a handful of Japs (literally a dozen or so, not the multiple hundreds that the Japanese invented) getting interned. Japan is so fucking ridiculous when it comes to playing the victim in every scenario, they rape and genocide their way through China and people like you will cry about poor Japan being a victim of the war.
No.1603836
>>1603808Every side was doing this in the cold war + Japanese media exaggerated it and marked hundreds of people went missing or died in Japan as abducted + some were actually voluntary defectors + Kim Jong Il admitted and apologized for the few legitimate cases in 2002 (blaming it on some people in security services acting against orders) and returned those who wanted to return
No.1603849
>>1603808>So, how do people justify North Korea abducting Japanese citizens?I personally don't. In what context?
No.1605671
>>1603680>>1603680I see. The translation could well be leaving out important details. I do not read korean well enough to translate but articles published by even international korean news agencies still tend to be mechanical and even lacking in some cases.
No.1608932
>>1608912st enough weight that he looks slimmer whilst not in a suit.
good for him!
No.1608937
>>1608912Damn, dude's looking good! The hat's a good vibe.
No.1610483
>>1608912how is he so fat
No.1618990
>>1617954>>1618027East asian communist, and East asian capitalist fail to recognize the danger of neo-confucian(the embodiment of patriarchy) which make sk has a lot of incel problem while ccp got left over male problem.
No.1620340
>>1619003In 100 years, the natural born will be racist towards test tube babies.
No.1620984
>>1620340Test tube babies seem like a pretty great deal
>no painful birth>no 9 months of spinal load>can do meth and shit who cares lol No.1621611
>>1620984will improve women’s position in the society, and perhaps even men’s. Also in a way it might help children with being seen as separate entities from their parents.
No.1627746
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ygoiu?wr=false<Reuters - South Korea uses AI to measure North Korean leader's weight, lawmaker says>SEOUL, May 31 (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is believed to weigh over 140 kg (308 lb) according to an artificial intelligence (AI) estimate, a South Korean lawmaker said on Wednesday in a remark reflecting abiding interest in the health of the North's secretive ruler.finally, a useful application of AI
No.1627765
>>1627746308lbs of PURE SEX
No.1631521
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/s-korea-considers-suspension-of-deconfliction-agreement-with-n-korea-because-of-hamas-attack/<S. Korea Considers Suspension of Deconfliction Agreement with N. Korea Because of Hamas Attack>South Korean Defense Minister Shin Won-shik is pushing Seoul to abandon a 2018 agreement that reduced the military presence along the demilitarized zone (DMZ). The military official believes North Korea could use tactics similar to Hamas to attack South Korea. The potential for Seoul to walk away from the deal meant to reduce tension on the peninsula comes as the chances for military confrontation between the US and North Korea has skyrocketed under the Joe Biden administration. >Shin, who was appointed as Defense Minister on Saturday, argued that withdrawing from the agreement was necessary. “Hamas has attacked Israel, and the Republic of Korea is under a much stronger threat,” he said. “To counter (that threat), we need to be observing (North Korean military movements) with our surveillance assets, to gain prior knowledge of whether they are preparing provocations or not. If Israel had flown aircraft and drones to maintain continuous monitoring, I think they might have not been hit like that.” >It is unclear why Shin believes North Korea, a nuclear power, would utilize the same tactics as Hamas, a stateless militia. >The 2018 agreement signed between then-South Korean President Moon Jae-in and North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un created a buffer zone along the DMZ that prevents military confrontations. The deal was inked during a period of warning relations on the Korean Peninsula that was driven by Moon, and fostered by then-President Donald Trump’s willingness to reduce the American military presence and war games in South Korea. >However, President Biden and Yoon have taken a more aggressive approach. Washington and Seoul have conducted several rounds of provocative military drills. Additionally, the White House has committed to deploying more weapons that can launch nuclear weapons to South Korea. >On Thursday, the USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier, and the fleet of warships in its strike group, arrived in South Korea. The ships will conduct trilateral war games with Japan and South Korea. >North Korea sees trilateral military operations between Washington, Tokyo, and Seoul as the White House attempting to create an “Asian NATO.” Officials in Pyongyang have repeatedly warned that the US-led military activity on the Korean Peninsula is pushing the region towards a nuclear war. No.1652392
In the DPRK is there any presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
Or do they prove guilt before a trial even begins (as in a show trial)?
Is this written in any constitution?
How does the legal system work in practice as opposed to how its written?
No.1652509
>>1652392you can prolly find the legal docs and laws codifying it, but good luck to find someone that can talk about how it works in practice
No.1666340
https://www.easternangle.com/north-korea-to-raise-tourism-prices-and-move-to-the-us-dollar/According to industry insiders North Korea could soon increase the cost of visiting the country, as well as converting from the Euro to the US dollar to settle accounts.
In a post released by Young Pioneer Tours the company stated that their ““partners in North Korea and beyond” have indicated the DPRK will change its preferred currency for settling tour company accounts from euros to dollars.
The reason for North Korea wanting, or rather needing to move to the US dollar is more about pragmatism than choice.
The strength of the dollar and its relative stability compared to the Euro make it not only more appealing, but also in some ways a necessity.
Key foreign goods, such as oil are still largely traded in dollars, with the US arguably going to war in both Iraq and Libya in order to preserve what some refer to as the PetroDollar.
This though is a situation that has the potential to change and not in favour of the United States, with Russia and China, the two major trading partners of North Korea now settling many transactions in RMB, rather than the US dollar. China in particular has been a firm advocate in pushing the RMB as an alternative reserve currency, although its chances of replacing the dollar in the short=term at least are considered slim.
Russia for its part is also now insisting that buyers of its natural resources, particularly countries from the Eurozone do so in Russian Roubles, meaning more and more countries are seeking alternatives to being controlled by US financiers. And if the BRICS countries eventually do manage to set up a currency that can rival the dollar for the settling of international trade for oil and beyond, then the days of the United States being able to financially bully the nations of the world may well become a thing of the past.
No.1670470
>>1652392Of course the DPRK adheres to the principle "innocent until proven guilty" - at least officially. They also officially adhere to the right of free speech, right to assemble, and so on. The official statecraft and legislature isn't that edgy or shocking but pretty basic. But then again, as the anon said, good look finding someone who can tell you how it works in practice.
I imagine things not being black or white. Apolitical crimes like thievery, fraud or sexual assault may expect a fair unbiased trial. With crimes against the state, it's hard to imagine that trials are unbiased (I mean they are not in the West either) but you can probably still find minor ones where proceedings are fair.
No.1674002
>>1673289>fake meritocratic bullshit test with corruption for porkies kids to justify the insanely unequal systemdoesnt seem likely
No.1684493
In the possible case of hot battle in the Pacific, will the DPRK get in on the action? Will they just go for ROK or assist the PRC?
No.1684575
>>1673289Most Asian countries have something like that.
No.1684907
>>1684904do radio free Asia even try anymore?
No.1684909
>>1684575Not quite. China banned all private cram schools 2 years ago.
No.1684940
>>1684909I know from experience that they just changed their names started offering "art courses" or other skills that were not effected by the education reform law then just taught what they used to anyway.
It did however kill a huge amount of them.
No.1685035
>>1684904Do liberals really believe that there aren't internal elections for communist party positions and that multiple parties are not the same thing as multiple candidates? I bet the workers' party of korea had elections since the day it was founded.
No.1685046
>>1685035they're not real elections unless you have repubs/democrats or labour/torys
No.1685060
>>1685035they don't care unless you can "Theoretically" elect any retard from any party
and let money influence the politics No.1685492
Congratulations on the spy satellite launch🥳🥳🥳
No.1689284
South Korea: Man gets 14-month jail term for praising North in poem
A South Korean court has sentenced a 68-year-old man to 14 months in jail for praising the North in a poem.
Lee Yoon-seop advocated for unification in his piece that was published in the North's state media in 2016, South Korean media report.
He wrote that if the two Koreas were united under Pyongyang's socialist system, people would get free housing, healthcare and education.
He was convicted under a law that prohibits public praise of North Korea.
In the piece titled Means of Unification, Lee also argued that in a united Korea, fewer people will take their own lives or live in debt.
The poem was one of the winners of a poetry contest in the North in November 2016.
Lee had been jailed for 10 months in the past for a similar offence, The Korea Herald reported.
In its ruling on Monday, a Seoul court said he "continued to generate and disseminate a considerable amount of propaganda that glorified and praised the North", the Korea Herald said.
He posted comments online praising North Korea's military in 2013, while posting anti-state content on South Korean blogs and websites in subsequent years.
South Korea's National Security Act outlaws the praise and promotion of "anti-government" organisations.
[BBC]
No.1697197
>>1689284another worst korea L
No.1702796
>>1685035IIrc Cuba has a system where candidates for various legislative positions are nominated by selecting from lists nominees put forward by local citizens at public meetings. Single candidates are selected from among the nominees by secret ballot and then confirmed in an election where they are the only person on the ballot. Libs criticize this system by saying "look there's only one person on the ballot!" and ignoring the whole (highly democratic and participatory process) of how they got there.
No.1703561
>>1702796>Cuba has a system where candidates for various legislative positions are nominated by selecting from lists nominees put forward by local citizens at public meetings.>. Single candidates are selected from among the nominees by secret ballot and then confirmed in an election where they are the only person on the ballot.literally actual democracy, people choose who is gonna be the candidate and vote who gonna win, different than liberal "Democracy" whene any clown can choose to compete and win based on popularity contests.
No.1708865
>>1504684Holy fuck I haven't seen anything more real then this
No.1708876
>>1702796But what's the point on the last ballot if the previous one already selected the candidate?
No.1715314
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/5a9ffe6e4d6704ac1838b14785365295.kcmsfReport on 9th Enlarged Plenum of 8th WPK Central Committee
way too long to paste everything in here but it talks about how the "peaceful reunification" policy of the DPRK is not possible anymore due to escalations by south korea and the US and how they're changing gears
No.1718889
HAPPENING
>The DPRK fired about 200 artillery shells in the area of the South Korean islands of Yeonpyeong and Paengnyeon. Residents of the islands were ordered to evacuate
No.1718916
>>1718889best korea striking while the iron is hot
No.1722205
>>1719812Did he gain weight? I could have sworn he lost a lot of weight a little while ago.
No.1722208
>>1719812>>1722205Yeah it looks like he gained some weight and his family gained weight too. They all must have been winter maxxing because their heating unit was broken.
No.1722209
>>1702638Pro-NK Sweden was one of those little miracles.
No.1722210
>>1715361>white karan come to starving korean>steal hatshamefur dispray
No.1729416
>>1729414As much as this is a positive change. I still feel North Korea is afraid of socialism, even if it is in fact socialist.
I still can't really forgive Kim for deporting a willing and frankly valiable defector.
No.1732098
North Korea says it has conducted test of underwater nuclear weapons system
whatever that means
No.1732103
>>1732098probably a nuclear submarine like the one the US has right next to their coast
>>1730748they are against Peaceful reunification.
No.1736003
I wonder about some of the rules in NK. Do you HAVE to go to events like celebrations and funerals?? I don't like crowds and prefer to keep to myself. Is there any (non capitalist) papers or books on this?
No.1736005
>>1736003Anon they can't fit the entire population of North Korea in Pyongyang.
No.1736007
>>1702638this is one of the reasons Sweden has an embassy in the DPRK. sadly if we enter NATO that may change
>>1736005they have necromancy, surely Juche scientists can cook up some kind of shrink ray as well
No.1736010
>>1697175Kim's speeches can get a little wet around the eyes. Like he'll say something about people making sacrifices for the country and things like that. I don't think it's anything unusual.
No.1736113
>>1736045clearly you don't understand how the WPK works since there are premiers of the party entirely unrelated to the kims who have more power than him
No.1736115
On the crying thing – an image of Chinese soldiers crying is a common meme with the anti-Chinese crowd. They were singing a song about saying goodbye to their families as they head off to do army stuff. It's an emotional song with a lot of sentimental value. But in certain cultures I suppose you're considered weak or a pussy to show emotions like that. That's a pretty repressive idea, in my opinion.
No.1736121
>>1736115Burger NPCs can't handle it when people show genuine emotion.
No.1736204
>>1736113Sure, but the leader of the nation still always belongs to the Kim family. The fuck is up with that? It's disgusting, I hate monarchies.
No.1736207
>>1736204They said the same about Cuba.
No.1736219
>>1730748>>1732176Let's be real, reunification can only happen if the DPRK falls to capitalism or if South Korea gets its own revolution.
It would be insane for the SKorean puppet government as it has existed since its fouding to reunite with their northern neighbour. The US would never allow it.
No.1736225
>>1736204Not gonna argue but consider that North Korea is the most democratic system ever established in the Korean peninsula, that began with spontaneous committes in mid-20th century. Before that Korea was occupied by Japan and further in the past dominated by the Choson monarchy and its landlords.
The Kims are popular because Kim Il Sung is a founding father figure for this new Korean era. It is somewhat inevitable giving capitalist occupation of the South.
I think a resurgement in the international communist movement by new major revolutions could solve genuine points of critic such as bureaucratism, nationalism and isolation from international theorical debates really quickly in DPRK's case. Until then there's present conditions.
No.1737724
>>1737722If liberals realized they were the sheeple they would have an aneurism
No.1737737
>>1737722>Americans clap in an airplaneWow. Look at those brainwashed fools. They're fed so much propaganda they don't even realize that properly landing a plane is perfectly mundane anywhere else in the world. Let's pray China rips America to shreds and liberates those who have the brain to see through the bullshit
No.1737741
>>1737722This shit is goody asf. But I personally saw Turks crying over Ataturk and doing all kinds of goofy shit, so the whole crying at Kim Ill Sungs funeral doesn’t seem that weird. Also Burgers literally build their entire personalities around dick riding the founding daddies.
No.1737745
>>1737722I chuckled at the vid though
No.1737778
>>1737741When Tito died people were crying. Tens of thousands of people went into the streets and cried. On lonely bus stops and train stations in the middle of nowhere people broke down and cried.
I don't think they cried for Tito personally, but for what he represented and meant, they cried because it was an end of an age. People knew things were not going to be the same, and I assume people sensed things were going to get bad.
No.1737820
>>1737741Mao's funeral. The PRC state funeral tune goes heavy.
I knew a woman who remembered when FDR died and people cried a lot.
No.1738252
>>1738247that's sad, why would they get rid of it? even if reunification isn't going great now, who knows what could happen
No.1738254
>>1737745yeah it is pretty weird, maybe this is a normal way to express yourself in east asia though I don't know, wii sports is from there afterall
No.1738363
>>1738319Oh those Asians.
No.1738365
>>1736045>name of his daughter is reported by a former NBA playerCan't they, like, just ask Koreans themselves about their leaders?
No.1738554
A Jaka Parker video from the streets of Pyongyang was posted on reddit.
https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/19ep8cv/heres_a_real_gopro_on_the_streets_of_pyongyang/Jaka Parker was living in Pyongyang with his wife, who was a diplomat in the Indonesian embassy, so he had a lot of leeway to go around and film. He uploaded a bunch of videos from the DPRK when he was there, but je said it was difficult cause internet was slow and unreliable. As part of the embassy he had access to the regular internet (I'm guessing they allow embassies VPN access in their home countries). You can see more of his cycling videos and others on his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuYqSDuNZmZTtpAXo2NaCaZaL23T4UJ-qThe response is predictable. Liberals will believe all this crazy, really put there shit about the DPRK then in the same breath say "Those North Koreans believe all kinds of crazy stuff and know nothing about the world!" It'd be a cool thing if it was in some dystopian sci-fi novel, but this is our reality. Those people represent the majority in the West.
No.1738558
>>1738554>no obnoxious outdoor advertisements>"this is like a video game that skimped out on world development"this is actually one of the most dystopian things I've read
No.1738560
>>1738554Looks East Europe-ish, former USSR-ish. Something like Harbin, probably
No.1738569
>>1738560As someone correctly pointed out in the comments (there are people defending it) it looks like a country where most of its cities and urban environments were destroyed and had to focus on building quickly and functional, they didn't have time or resources to spend on aesthetics.
No.1738573
>>1738554It's pretty amazing that people believe that koreans are so poor that everyone eats rats, yet so rich that they can build a bunch of empty unused real estate for the sole purpose of fooling foreigners, and see absolutely no contradiction.
No.1738576
>>1738554These pictures make me unironically kms.
I hate you faggots who post reddit.
No.1738596
>>1738576want to*
I think I'll kill an American instead.
No.1738706
>>1738573They live in a society with an exploding housing problem and also superyachts, why are you surprised they can believe that?
No.1740210
>>1739185What did they do that?
No.1740213
>>1740210the time for peace has ended
No.1740216
>>1740210North Korea is transforming into a new form to increase their power level.
No.1740224
Probably just the recognition that enough time has passed with such different societies that North and South Korea likely won't ever see eye-to-eye based on a common heritage. The arch itself depicts two Korean women in traditional clothing, again a suggestion that Korea can be united based on its previous history as a unified country and tbqh, that's pretty unlikely now regardless of history as they're just too culturally different now. DPRK has its independence and perhaps that's the more important thing than being united with an American colony and absorbing that kind of society, culture and economy *just* because they *used* to be one people.
I think really the ROK feels the same way.
No.1740226
>>1740224No anon, it's because the DPRK are convinced there can be no peaceful unification.
They're upping the hostility, because South Korea upped it.
No.1740229
>>1740226It a pretty serious statement then, I get hostilities are high but for most of the Korean war it has been.
No.1740259
Please God if North Korea invades the south let Yeomni Park die first.
No.1740269
>>1740259i think a renewed korean war will probably involved the chaebols and the cults of south korea forming a mujahadeen of temporarily aligned interests. north korea would have to be in charge of killing religious zealots and mercenaries alongside state officials. even the presidents of south korea mostly work for organizations like the eight goddess cult so it wouldnt be too surprising to me.
No.1740270
>>1740269South Korea is one of the most corrupt shitholes in all of South East Asia.
No.1740777
>>1738554>cars>Parker not summarily executed for riding between two citizens instead of the wide path around them>cameras exist to invade privacyMy hope has been shattered. I am no longer critically supporting the DPRK.
No.1740858
>>1739185n-no Kim, you can still fix him….
No.1741482
Is South Korea the Florida of Asia?
No.1741486
>>1738706Now that you mention it. I heard a rumor somewhere that most luxury apartments and the like that are sold for ridiculous sums in New York and the like are mostly just traded back and forth between criminal oligarchs as a way to launder money.
So it seems that the whole "build fancy shit just to fool foreigners" is more endemic to imperialist nations.
No.1747866
Does anyone know how I can find the December 22nd 1989 edition of Nodong Sinmun?
https://repository.duke.edu/catalog/e7b68529-b152-4615-85ef-54aa2ad2882bIts locked here.
No.1748012
>>1747844>public bathhouse mandateI kneel
No.1748126
>>1740842>but damn, the dumb people make you ponder how a person can become so profoundly thoughtless…There was an episode of The Deprogram where they had an Australian guest who had been to the DPRK. He said that on his tour they passed a corn field, and that other Westerners on the tour were claiming that the corn was fake. Because you know, setting up fake corn to fool a few foreigners would definitely be easier than just actually planting corn.
No.1748127
>>1747844>sanitation passAtheist wudu; instead of being denied access to prayer/salvation/whatever you're denied access to public facilities
No wonder North Korea makes western christcucks shudder with rage.
No.1756756
https://archive.ph/RRO1O>Pyongyang considers Seoul to be its "most harmful and unchangeable enemy," the leader has said>Pyongyang must be prepared to seize South Korean territory in the event of an "emergency," North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has said.>In a speech marking the 76th anniversary of the founding of the North Korean Army on Friday, Kim praised the military for "firmly protecting the sovereignty and dignity of the country" from "imperialist military threats, blackmail, and the risk of war.">[Kim] said his country has "summarized the history of our people's division and confrontation and defined [South] Korean puppets as the most harmful and unchangeable enemy" of Pyongyang.>Against this backdrop, Kim stated that in the event of an "emergency," North Korean policymakers had "made a national decision to occupy and pacify [South Korean] territory.">Last month, Kim also called on the national parliament to label South Korea the "number one hostile country."[…]
>Citing US officials, the New York Times reported in January that Washington is worried that North Korea could "take some form of lethal military action" against Seoul. The paper's sources, however, doubted that Pyongyang would risk anything resembling a full-scale attack.theres gonna be war, doesnt it?
No.1756770
Why doesn't Korea undermine the West by hosting a mega pirate bay server with all that juicy western media on it
No.1756888
>>1756776how the fuck is a torrent website lib you fucking retard
No.1757443
>>1756770hello my name is russian federation pleased to meet you
No.1757445
>>1756770the US would see that as a warcrime
No.1759059
>>1569474 welcome back sankara-sama
No.1767608
Currently, I read a Facebook story from someone who just came back from traveling in North Korea, and found out that North Korea is aware of the outside world through smuggled media from South Korea. But the reason mass fleeing never happened is that they are aware that they won't fit in the new hyper-capitalistic, hyper-competitive society, especially aged people.
No.1767615
>>1761754Cuba has fallen
Millions must pay IMF loans
No.1767616
>>1767613south korean christians are fucked up, man
No.1767617
>>1767616What can you expect from a CIA run church, let alone one that circumcises men at 18? Literally Spaniard tier colonization.
No.1767620
If you try to test whether freedom really exists in the world, then try starting a nuclear weapon program like North Korea and Iran, then the 'good guys' are coming for you.
No.1767628
>>1767613Welcome the to western civilization
Reminds of the uncontacted tribes doc where the dude who leaves the tribe for the civilization gets married and cheated on in less than a week
No.1768172
>>1767613lol shitlibs get fucked (literally!)
No.1768177
>>1761862Didn't the DPRK start considering the ROK to be a foreign adversary? All this shows is that they waited for DPRK before recognizing the ROK.
No.1779902
>>1465268>People voting for revolutionaries with a connection to the founding struggle of their nation doesn't make that country a "monarchy"Look, I want the DPRK to succeed, but this is just bullshit. No one "votes" for Kim to be the Leader of the Nation. That's not how democracy works there, not that there's anything better than bourgeois democracy there.
No.1780285
>>1736207Raul still controls the PCC
No.1794436
>>1779902Why does every Marxist Leninists state have a shitty system of vote for lower representative who then votes for higher representative? Voting should be at all levels.
No.1794455
>>1779902the dprk understander has logged on and he’s about to drop some hot knowledge he got from youtube videos
No.1801437
>>268992Is it true that DPRK was economically stronger than China before eastern bloc collapsed? Is the poverty we now see a symptom of this event?
No.1801499
>>1794436it actually makes sense to me. It quickly devolve in a lib popularity contest if you vote for people you dont really have any idea what they actually do, cant talk to, and never worked with. When each level get voted on by their peers, its people they can be reasonably expected to actually know, and might even have worked with in some capacity.
you call it shitty because all you know is bourgeois democracy and somehow thats your gold standard despite its obvious failures.
No.1801551
>>1794436hell if I know, might have something to do with how most parties started with either guerillas (worse option) or worker's councils (better option). There is also strong contestant in the fact that THEY WERE FUCKIN MODELED AFTER USSR.
No.1802015
>>1801551>THEY WERE FUCKIN MODELED AFTER USSR.This is problem because the USSR model was an adhoc solution to keep the country stable after the revolution. Worker councils (soviets) were disbanded due to counter-revolutionary activity.
No.1802031
>>1756713>>1756756Bros do the nord koreans know something, all this seems like they smell blood in the water and are preparing for the opportunity
No.1802129
>>1465304the will of the korean proletariat
No.1802144
>>1802031Thry ripped down the unification arch thing too recently. Its certainly heatin up somewhat.
No.1802146
>>1802142It may take time but eventually something pops. Sizzle gang cant win forever.
No.1809429
>>1802015>Worker councils (soviets) were disbanded due to counter-revolutionary activity.That's revisionism. Councils were THE SOURCE OF POWER in USSR, it was literally in the constitution. SRs and trots were just butthurt over bolsheviks winning and have declared that councils were "disbanded" - ala "your councils aren't real councils because they don't vote for me"
No.1809795
I am friends with the chairman of a Juche study group (I won't say which one because that would be a doxx) who also has already written articles at Rodong Sinmun (the WPK newspaper). He is going to visit Pyongyang soon, and will probably have more freedom to walk around than tourists and journalists.
Any questions /leftypol/ has for him? Any requests?
No.1809819
Just out of curiosity, without trying to sound disrespectful or ignorant:
1) is the agriculture of DPRK growing and being mechanized?
2) Is the country getting closer to develop more independence from external influences, like Russia and China, in the questions of manufactured goods and infraestrucure?
(I hope North Korea doesn't get so much dependent of foreign trade and international relations like Cuba rn)>>1809795 No.1809824
>>1809795 (me)
>>1809819Noted. There are no dumb questions with this, from what I've seen North Koreans talk quite openly about this.
No.1809827
>>1809381I wonder if this is payback for the million artillery shells they sent.
No.1809881
>>1809879So south Korea was the real surveillance state this whole time.
No.1810476
>>1809879DAMN THESE COMMIES! THEY INVENTED THE SURVEILLANCE STATE
No.1810597
>>1809856What mandatory military service to an imperialist force does to a mf.
That cook clearly doesn't want to be there. Looks sleep deprived too.
No.1812323
>>1809879how horrible! what adult websites would these illegally aquired voyeur videos be found
No.1812352
>>1810597The first thing I saw in Worst Korea were airport staff that looked like zombies
No.1812547
How many years do we give South Korea
No.1812942
>>1812547Either
a. the US empire collapses
b. the international revolution is completed and the communal society and the abolition of the state is reached
Of course b implies a but vice-versa is not true. Until the US and the "international community" continue to exist, her colonies, such as South Korea and Israel, will continue to exist as well to protect her interests around the globe.
So I'll give another 100 years to South Korea
No.1818206
>>1812946So this is full power of capitalism….
No.1819089
>>1809795Bump.
My boy is currently in Dongzhimen, China. Fight to Pyongyang goes in 11 hours. Last chance to ask or request something from him.
No.1819090
>>1819089Idk man, ask to him what is his personal opinion of DPRK.
How much do the people know of the outside world, i bet the people of north korea are extremely more smart then the average american.
No.1819097
>>1819089Did he meet some less secretive North Koreans to tell us something of interest? Something we aren't able to see in cameras?
No.1819106
>>1819089Not sure of the details but does anyone there think the South will try "reigniting" the Korean war since it technically didn't end. Either that or do they sense an increase in hostility from the South?
No.1819108
>>1819089I don't have any questions but I'm interested in any insight.
No.1819128
>>1819089There might be some silly questions, but…
>do North Koreans want to travel abroad? Is there a place they would like to visit in particular?>what do they think about the people living in imperialist countries and their vassals? Like Americans, South Koreans and the Japanese?>would they like to be on better terms with these countries if they were to somehow stop being hostile to the DPRK?>what do they think about China and their relationship with China?>do they have any constructive criticism of the leadership of the WPK?>what are their thoughts about the future of the DPRK?>have North Koreans heard about the ludicrous propaganda stories the US made up about North Korea? >how is the food there? No.1819129
>>1819089I'm pretty interested in many things he prolly wont be able to answer, like the NK people view of their government and political processes, how their economy and development is doing, their press, their view on the western world, how easy it is to access general internet for random ppl, their view on the west, south korea and china, how developed is the countryside compared to the capital, labor laws and conditions (holidays, work safety, work hours, social services)
Im also curious to know about their smartphones and supposed internal internet
but Im guessing your guy isnt there for an indepth analysis of north korean society. Any hint on those questions would still be appreciated.
No.1827086
>>1819129He is in Korea right now, and I can chat with him on fbi.gov, Telegram, no problem whatsoever. However, he says you need to pay for internet access, although it is readily available, very few people can probably access it since it's one USD for ten minutes. That's quite hefty for the locals.
So far, he said as long as they trust you, and are not a tourist, they welcome lively political debates, actually. Most of the stuff he talked about with them was how shitty South Korea is, and he said they actually know quite a bit about how South Korea looks like. It would be no culture shock to them, but they don't envy them. He hasn't been "testing the waters" yet with regards to more heated topics.
No.1828199
>>1827086What specifically did they say about South Korea ask for excruciating detail
Unique IPs: 305