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Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks

Check out the /edu/ thread at

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
Add topics into the tag list to further narrow down your search!

Introduction to Marxism Reading List - Thanks to the /read/ matrix room (https://app.element.io/#/group/+leftyread:matrix.org)

Absolute Beginners Tier:

'Principles of Communism' by Friedrich Engels

'Three Source and Three Component Parts of Marxism' by V.I. Lenin

Not a book but Halim Alrah's youtube channel is good for the absolutely basics of Marxism but obviously not a replacement for reading

Marx and Engels Reading List

Tier 1:

'Manifesto of the Communist Party'

'Critique of the Gotha Programme'

'Socialism: Utopian and Scientific'

Tier 2:

'Wage Labour and Capital'

'Value, Price and Profit'

'Theses on Feuerback'

By this point you should have a good understanding of the basics of Marxism and are ready to branch out to other theorists and also read Capital.

Tier 3:

'Capital vol.1'

Lenin Reading List - By Moo (aka Zizekposter)

Lenin Essentials:

'State and Revolution'

'“Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder'

'Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism'

Petit Bourgeois Philistine Tier:

'What is to be done'

'The Proletarian Revolution and Renegade Kautsky'

'Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution'

ADHD Tier:

'Socialism and Religion'

'Zizek's Introduction to Revolution at the Gates'

'Revolutionary Adventurism'

MLM Reading List


Why MLM?

Marxism-Leninism-Maoism Basic Course

'Continuity and Rupture: Philosophy in the Maoist Terrain'


'On Practice & Contradiction'

'On Guerrilla Warfare'

'On Protracted War'


'Fanshen: A Documentary of Revolution in a Chinese Village'

'Red Star Over China' - Edgar Snow

'The Unknown Cultural Revolution' - Dongpin Han


Interview With Chairman Gonzalo

General line of the PCP

'Shining Path: Terror and Revolution in Peru' - Simon Strong


Operation “Green Hunt” in India

Eight Historic Documents (AZAD)

'Urban Perspective'


Araling Aktibista - Activist Study ARAK

'Stand for Socialism Against Modern Revisionism'

'Philippine Society and Revolution'
https://bannedthought.net/Philippines/CPP/1970s PhilippineSocietyAndRevolution-4ed.pdf

Political Economy:

'Rethinking Socialism' – Deng-yuan Hsu & Pao-yu Ching

'China: A Modern Social-Imperialist Power' - CPI(Maoist)

'Maoist Economics & the Revolutionary Road to Communism' - The Shanghai Textbook

Leftcom Reading Lists

r/marxism101's reading list:

r/bruhinternational's reading list:


'The Democratic Principle'

'Proletarian Dictatorship and Class Party'

'The Spirit of Horsepower'

'Report on Fascism'


'The Lyons Theses'

'Theory and Action in Marxist Doctrine'

'Dialogue with Stalin'


'World Revolution and Communist Tactics'

'Party and Class'

Herman Gorter:

'Open Letter to Comrade Lenin'

'The World Revolution'

Bookchin Reading Lists - based off of posts by Gorm1918 (pbuh)

'The Next Revolution'

'Urbanization Without Cities'

'The 3rd Revolution'

'The Ecology of Freedom'

Links to Resources and Libraries:

More Marx and Engels:


Other Selected Marxists:

Classical Works Recommended To High-Ranking Cadres:

Many important books can be found on libgen:

Libcom has some good books/documents:

Other links:

Various assortment of historical and biographical works:

The Leftist Bookshelf (4.16 GB, 600+ files)
This was originally a torrent but I can't find the link anymore. Its description was: "640 eBooks, mostly in PDF format (a bunch are CHM, DJVU or ePUB), from a revolutionary Leftist viewpoint. The main subjects are politics and philosophy, history, economics, and much much more."

Political Theory (MLM) (2.64 GB, 550+ files)
I found this on reddit years ago (circa 2016) Don't really remember who made it or where it came from, but this is a reading course (politics, philosophy, economics, etc) focused on Maoism. Has many books and articles on the USSR, PRC, Stalin, Mao, etc.

The Anarchist Library (669 MB, 4000+ files)
This is a complete mirror of the anarchist library with pdfs and epubs

Little Bunker of Marxism-Leninism (680 MB, 100+ files)
Unfinished project focused on M-L with more than 100 books on several topics like history, economics, politics, etc. Lots of stuff on the USSR.

Historical Materialism series (330 MB, 100+ files)
A pdf archive of over 100 books from the Historical Materialism book series. I got this from thecharnelhouse.org years ago and the website had released many marxist books from other publishers but unfortunately it's been taken down.

/leftypol/ with a slash of liberty (239 MB, 100+ files)
I didn't make this, just reuploading it. This is a classic /leftypol/ link, marxist stuff mixed with anarchism.

Marx & Engels Collected Works (900+ MB, 50 files)
The official, complete works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels organized in 50 volumes and 3 categories.


> our political ideology
I'm not a Marxist though


Pathetic attempt at holding people from reading. Pull your faggy soyboy face off with a knife and eat it


Also you should read Losurdo.


Welp, might as well start with absolute beginners tier, lol.



Nice attempt at idpol. Stalin wasn't black.


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some guides/lists


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Feel free to post a reading list for your own poltical ideology



Based. This whole board needs more reading. How about adding some ML content? I see the Lenin list and some Mao in the MLM list, but maybe some Stalin and other MLs? These are good books for starters:


Hopefully someone more well read than me should suggest more books, these are the only ones i've read.stalinStalin


Stalin's collected works' magnet


>inc Mein Kampf


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IIRC: Principles of communism seems to imply, so far, that the proletariat was unique to the 19th and 20th century. Does this imply that the current working class is not proletarian?

Also there's an interesting section about manufacturing workers, self employed types, that distinguishes them from both petty Borgeious and Prolotariate.


This is a good thread but very bad that it was posted by a mod. Remember we're supposed to be a non-sectarian board?


Not sure what you mean by that. It is true that a lot of the conditions of the working class are now different to what they were (particularly in the first world), but the overall analysis still stands.

>The proletariat is that class in society which lives entirely from the sale of its labor and does not draw profit from any kind of capital; whose weal and woe, whoselife and death, whose sole existence depends on the demand for labor — hence,on the changing state of business, on the vagaries of unbridled competition. The proletariat, or the class of proletarians, is, in a word, the working class of the 19th century.

The last line only implies that the proletariat was the working class that appeared in the 19th century. It does not say it is a phenomenon specific to that time. Notice what actually describes the proletariat: living off the sale of one's labor alone. That is still very much true of the current working classes.

In what way is the OP sectarian? Sure, it's more marxist focused, but it caters to various different tendencies, even Bookchinist communalism (not marxism). Not to mention, the mods have been gathering this list for a while now, yet no anarchist (or other tendency) posters have contributed in any way to the list. If anything it just goes to show that either a) anarchist posters are just completely uninvested in the board or b) anarchists don't read. In either case, the solution is not for the mods to bend over backwards to make reading lists for tendencies they don't know, but for interested posters to engage, gather and suggest material. Note the post above by one of the mods, expliticly saying contributions are still welcome.


I propose an activity: Anons post a leftist position they can't stand or despise and another from that position recommends the first anon a book.

I'll begin, I can't stand anarcho-primitivists, can an An-prim recommend a book.left_communismLeft Communism


probably the best youll get is Desert which is a good read and well written but in terms of real analysis and propositions is shit im sorry to say


Desert is not anprim.


thank you, I wanted more recommendationsak-47AK-47


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oh thank god this is back. this was always my favorite thread in the old leftypol.



Killing Hope By William Blum, a history of US Military and CIA interventions since WW2


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Ok so even if you ignore the uniqueness of the 19th and 20th century prolotariat as a mass of industrial workers how is it we are not fully certain that the prolotariate is not, itself,a faiding class in the 21st century or at least not as strong and therefore unable to rise to the challenge of communism? Are we not being more and more integrated into the manufacturing workers role? E.g: Computers are a good example of manufacturing prolotariat and we all have one of those. Or what about people who own capital in the form of stocks? Now that technology has advanced to a point where anyone can download robbinhood amd start investing does this not imply that the prolotariate has at least fallen into the margins of society?



I fucking hate maoism, can a MLM recommend me a book that is not a Mao book, that is not a Gonzalo interview, and that is not Moufawad-Paul ?iwwIWW



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Already did, hence why i'm not a maoist.iwwIWW


Mao wasn't that bad. I haven't read a super lot of him but i understand he had good revolutionary theory as far as practice goes.



based thread


I want to know more about this too


the law of value series has been taken down from youtube

any mirrors?


Has it really.


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Gonna add some lists


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Not really reading, but still


Engels : Ludwig Fuerbach
Darwin: The Origins of the Species.
Daniel Dennet: Darwin’s Dangerous Idea
Plekanov: The Materialist Conception of History
Lenin: Materialism and Empiro-Criticism
Kautsky : Origins of Christianity
Paul Cockshott: How the world Works
Turing: Can a Machine Think
Althusser : Lenin and Philosophy
Daniel Dennet: Consciousness Explained
Claude Shannon: Mathematical Theory of Communication
Paul Cockshott, Allin F. Cottrell, Gregory J. Michaelson, Ian P. Wright and Victor M. Yakovenko: Classical Econophysics
Phil A. Neel: Hinterland
Paul Cockshott, Allin F. Cottrell: Towards a New Socilaism
Nicholas Shackel: The Vacuity of Postmodernist Methodology.
Smedley Butler: War Is A Racket
William Blum: Killing Hope U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II
Losurdo Domenico: Liberalism A Counter-History
Micheal Parenti: Blackshirts and reds rational fascism and the overthrow of communism


Holy fuck that crisis album is amazing.


what do u guys think of Neue Marx-Lektüre


Bro…just don't


Who the fuck is that?

Now i'm even more curious.


>Who the fuck is that?

heinrich n shit. monetary theory of value


originally spawned by Isaak Illich Rubin who was purged by stalin, but has gained popularity again.


>Now i'm even more curious
It isn't some forbidden fruit like you think. Just straight up retardation


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Not always a bad thing.


Why's it retarded? Seems pretty straightforward to me. We can't have commodity exchange on a systemic level without a universal equivalent (money).
Therefore value can only be realized through this exchange of money, not just created in a vacuum of production.


This by far doesn't cover it buddy. They have far more to say than that. Their line of thought essentially brings you back being an armchair analyst


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Hello, to clarify, the reason that MLM and Leftcoms specifically have their own sections on our list is those are the only people that contributed so far. If you think there should be an anarchist reading list (or whatever) then please give some suggestions for your ideology and we will add them.


What I've read just emphasized the role of money for value, what are you referring to?


Explain verwertung in your own words.


Actually a great list for the modern communistslavojSlavoj


Black panth party lit


>Classical Econophysics before Towards A New Socialism
Lmao what?? TANS would be a much better book to read first than Classical Econophysics since TANS was written for the average person in mind whilst Classical Econophysics is more esoteric and dense book.


Verwertung is when you remember you had like a yogurt or what have you in the fridge and consume it before it turns bad. That is the meaning of Verwertung.


>Actually a great list for the modern communist
It's not a complete and carefully curated list, this was adhoc. you might actually want to read other stuff too like Marx's Capital for an obvious example
you don't have to read it in that order. I guess you are right TANS should come before Econophysics


I gathered it was kinda rough. I'm sure the cybersoc thread could expand it into 2 lists, one scientific and one more political (lenin, althusser, parenti, etc)slavojSlavoj


>What will this new social order have to be like?
Above all, it will have to take the control of industry and of all branches of production out of the hands of mutually competing individuals, and instead institute a system in which all these branches of production are operated by society as a whole – that is, for the common account, according to a common plan, and with the participation of all members of society.

>It will, in other words, abolish competition and replace it with association.

<Moreover, since the management of industry by individuals necessarily implies private property, and since competition is in reality merely the manner and form in which the control of industry by private property owners expresses itself

<it follows that private property cannot be separated from competition and the individual management of industry. Private property must, therefore, be abolished and in its place must come the common utilization of all instruments of production and the distribution of all products according to common agreement – in a word, what is called the communal ownership of goods.

<In fact, the abolition of private property is, doubtless, the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution in the whole social order which has been made necessary by the development of industry – and for this reason it is rightly advanced by communists as their main demand.



You k ow engles really makes it sound like economic planning was not to plan for production A-priori, rather, to have an economic plan for production after the fact: Meaning qe produce, or, literally as engles puts it: Over produce and the we plan out the distribution of our over production or the distribution, to a degree, of our production in general.


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except if you're overproducing then you're wasting labour. distributing surplus after the face sounds production anarchy-ycockshottCockshott


I guess, perhaps. It still doesn't sound to me like the distribution and production of resources is planed out in totality though. I think you have to allow for some anarchy fundamentally in some way. Look at the passage:

"There will be no more crises; the expanded production, which for the present order of society is overproduction and hence a prevailing cause of misery, will then be insufficient and in need of being expanded much further. Instead of generating misery, overproduction will reach beyond the elementary requirements of society to assure the satisfaction of the needs of all; it will create new needs and, at the same time, the means of satisfying them. It will become the condition of, and the stimulus to, new progress, which will no longer throw the whole social order into confusion, as progress has always done in the past. Big industry, freed from the pressure of private property, will undergo such an expansion that what we now see will seem as petty in comparison as manufacture seems when put beside the big industry of our own day. This development of industry will make available to society a sufficient mass of products to satisfy the needs of everyone."

It pretty much seems to me like he is saying "over production is actually good as long as the over production is planned for accordingly.


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it's expanding production that he's talking about as a good thing though. and we should keep in mind that we have the climate situation to deal with, so there are limits to which industries can actually be expanded. there's also a bit of language wrangling to be had over what "over"production actually means in a planned economy. agriculture will tend to have overproduction as a rule if we plan for the worst case and so always get bountiful harvests (relative to needs)cockshottCockshott


Computers are not "proletariat". The proletariat is a specific class of people within the system of capitalism. Computers are not people. As for people who own stocks, if their relations to the means of production is still having to sell their labor for survival, it doesn't matter that they own a few shares. Their status is still one of being a prole.




indeed. additionally, machines do not create value


I didn't say computers were Prolotariate: I said engles defines a Prolotariate aa one who literally only sells his labor to survive. He makes a clear distinction between people who make a living off the internet; self employed people and a difference between people who hold stocks; and people who live off their own labor. He makes a clear distinction between them.


Well I just finished Principles of Communism, ama.


is it boring



I enjoyed it.


What the list lacks currently:
· Essential proto-Marxist works to elucidate on how Marx and Engels came to the conclusions they did (for example important works on materialism and philosophy of science throughout the centuries prior)
· An orthodox Marxism section
· Marxism-Leninism (this one, simply by nature of its breadth and diversity, would need to be the largest list).


It's a thread anon just post them here


based, you did good

now keep on readingread_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book


I'm reposting this Marxist (big tent) meta-list here:

Ancient: Heraclitus, Parmenides, Democritus, Epicurus, Socrates, Aristotle, Lucretius Renaissance: Machiavelli, Copernicus
Early Modern: Galileo, Spinoza, Leibniz, Newton, Locke, Rousseau, Smith, Kant, the Jacobins Modernity: Hegel, the Utopian Socialists, Ricardo, Sismondi, Babbage, Feuerbach, Engels, Proudhon, Stirner, Darwin
Modernity: Dietzgen, De Leon, Luxemburg, Lenin, Pannekoek, Grossman, Stalin, Gramsci
Post-WWII: Kantorovich, Hoxha, Mao, Kim, Ho, David Bohm, Fidel, Nkrumah, Glushkov, Guevara, Sweezy, Debord, Allen, Sison, Kaypakkaya, Anuradha Ghandy, Sankara
Post-1991: Yakovenko, Bellamy Foster, Cockshott, Cottrell, Shaikh, Roberts, Dmytri Kleiner, Dyer-WithefordmarxMarx


What De Leon texts would you recommend.


Has anyone red the Grundrisse. The text seems even longer than capital. But from what ive skimmed it seems a bit more straightforward and easier to read


I think Samir Amin deserves a mentioning if Foster gets one, no?


Yes and Wallerstein


why do I seemingly get burnt out on even reading like twenty pages a day

i want to read more in general because im kind of a dumbass but I also want to be well read enough to push back on libs and fascists but I can't seem to get to the point where I read like a few books a month


have you tried with audiobooks?caCanadien


Set aside a block of time everyday during which you read a set number of pages. for me this is an hour or two before going to sleep.
You may also benefit from briefly switching genres. IDK what you consider to be light reading, but try some fiction books to get up to speed before returning to history/theory.


oh, yeah, but the two audiobooks I tried I can barely even focus on anything because the narration was so fucking SHIT

i figured audiobooks would be cool for me since i listen to podcasts and random lectures on YT at my wagie job and retain almost everything but it's not the same


Hey /leftypol/. Just passing by to let everyone know about /read/: a collective of reading groups from /edu/. We host various different reading groups, and hold discussions over Matrix. If anyone here wants to discuss works of theory (such as those in the OP - note we're the authors of the Introduction to Marxism list), come on over to our Matrix. One of our groups just got done reading Capital vol1 and will be moving on to Lenin soon. Meanwhile, another one of our groups is gearing up to read Capital.

We have a Matrix community for discussion and a little website for our library and reading schedules. If you are interested, see our thread for the details >>>/edu/5912

I would also encourage anyone to post theory questions and threads over on >>>/edu/, a sadly underutilized board.

Without revolutionary theory, there can be no revolutionary movement.read_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book


based theory nerds /edu/cating leftypol


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Thoughts on this book?


Never heard of it.


I have the pdf in Spanish, there are like 350 pages.
I still don't read it, don't know if it's worth it



fuck marx
fuck engels
fuck authoritarians
fuck communism
fuck youanarchismAnarchism


>muh Authoritarianism
read uygha


Cope and seethe


>Wanting to abolish authority in large-scale industry is tantamount to wanting to abolish industry itself, to destroy the power loom in order to return to the spinning wheel.
what did that faggot mean by this?


>You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.
>t. state-worshipping karl marx
a despot, classicist zealot, and preeminant national zocialist



>fuck authoritarians
ok boomer


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this gentleman has not seen a revolution


You can't sage a sticky. You know that?


yeah, i just forgot to remove it


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>All this MLM but not a single Cockshott or Parenti book


Cockshott good
Parenti is nothing but a shill though. Kind of like the """""""""""""""intelectual""""""""""""""" equivalent of watching a review that you know it's going to be positive to reinforce your view


There is a empirical marxism reading list somewhere around here



I mean he is a Historian that does a very good job at collecting positive facts to counter Anti-Communists. For a newbie, he is perfect. Why does /leftypol/ always need to shit up the party?


seems pretty obvious, especially in context, since he spells it out very explicitly with examples. having no authority to manage whats happening with heavy equipment on a shop floor would be a disaster


Post it you fucking retards. Do you need some one to hold your soyhands?


Parenti is a pseud


This is why nobody likes you retards.


Recommend Parenti to your lib friends all you want, he's a great polemic writer. But if we're trying to educate Marxists, thinking people, we shouldn't suggest subpar or sloppy writers.


>But if we're trying to educate Marxists, thinking people, we shouldn't suggest subpar or sloppy writers.
Holy LARP. This thread includes an Introduction to Marxism and an Absolute Beginners list. What is this retardation? You want to alienate everyone from your retarded reading groups?


>Recommend Parenti to your lib friends all you want, he's a great polemic writer
That's how Parenti is recommended you retard. Nobody claims he is the highpriest of marxism
Yeah, I don't know what his problem is


> Nobody claims he is the highpriest of marxism
Except tankies


I don't know why people talk shit about the manifesto.
It's actually a very well written text.


Why hasn't this been included in the OP? It's not strictly leftist but it's full of history books that are organized (by me). Someone put it in the list of previous leftypol boards iirc



Actually if you added some of xi's work here or deng that would be appreciated.


kek, why those two in particular? I haven't added books for a few years though, tbh. And i never got into adding books on communist china too much, only the republican period.


Tbh i half way find myself agreeing with dengoids and half way not. I also like xi as a leader in and of himself and find his long history with the party to be note worthy.

I figure i should probably actually read the men before full on making my declarations about them. After reading mao ofc.


I see. well you can try libgen, of course. I ultimately just compiled books from there. I've wanted to take up adding more and organizing the collection again but it's time consuming and I am not a NEET anymore. I really wanted to add more leftist history and theory too but never got the chance


am i stupid or does anti oedipus make no fucking sense

keep in mind i've read like 3 books in my life




>Patricia Crone
>Crawford Gribben
Some… odd choices


Does anyone have a PDF to that illustrated comic of the communist manifesto? Really been wanting to give that a read.


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"The people’s state has been flung in our teeth ad nauseam by the anarchists, although Marx’s anti-Proudhon piece and after it the Communist Manifesto declare outright that, with the introduction of the socialist order of society, the state will dissolve of itself and disappear. Now, since the state is merely a transitional institution of which use is made in the struggle, in the revolution, to keep down one’s enemies by force, it is utter nonsense to speak of a free people’s state; so long as the proletariat still makes use of the state, it makes use of it, not for the purpose of freedom, but of keeping down its enemies and, as soon as there can be any question of freedom, the state as such ceases to exist.

We would therefore suggest that Gemeinwesen ["commonalty"] be universally substituted for state; it is a good old German word that can very well do service for the French “Commune.”



lol u mad bro?


Here you go


I can’t stand communalists. Can a bookchinite anon recommend me a book? (hard mode: not the new revolution, I’ve already read that)gorroGorro


Does anyone here have a PDF of “The Politics and Economics of the transitional period” by Bukharin? Marxists.org doesn’t have it any everywhere else is paywalledgorroGorro


I easily found it on libgen




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There are lots of great theory recs ITT, but who are the best left-wing (I mean really left-wing, not just liberal/succdem) fiction writers, and what are their best works?tankieTankie


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I liked this when I read it 10 years ago
basically a story of a missionary attempting to spread their religion in the congo in the 50s or somewhere around there
things go horribly wrong


I actually read that in AP English, and now that I think of it it was pretty redpilled on neocolonialism. I'll add it to my list.tankieTankie


>Patricia Crone
In the middle eastern section? Not all of her work is discredited, right?
>Crawford Gribben
had to look it up, but i assume he is in the ireland section? I had wanted to start by putting books on northern ireland (ideally I would like to put every single book on ireland in there eventually, but that is ambitious), but I never got around to thoroughly organizing it. Generally, I just strip mind libgen on a certain historical topic and then organized them in a logical fashion, but that means there's a lot of blindspots where I put some shitty historians, though I like to think that I'm more knowledgeable than most people about this stuff


Brecht is definitely up Top 3.


No it's deliberately written to make sense only to a schizo. If you can't read that much, watch this vid. It's as decent as "youtube philosophy" gets


>actually, being skitzo is based

Why I come here, the.


What do you mean?


I'd say Deleuzian views appeal to a rather small minority of this community.


Depends. If you watch the video or read Deleuze, you can see that he is really criticizing this "LARPing" and commodification process of identity, ideologies etc. that we see so much on social media, especially leftist social media. Some things he says are alright


I still found it


Based. Bless you anon.


I come here for takes like this lol.


I mean…it makes sense in a way. Capitalism really is schizophrenic in its destructiveness


TDLR; Didn't watch the video.

the video actually talks about how schizophrenia is actually anti-thetical to capitalism because it is to unpredictable to comodify.


So if we don't want to be commodified like identities or even ideologies, we should become schizophrenic or stepping out of the boundaries?


More, or, less; I would say "kind of." I think that more so what Deluze is pointing out is the inherently fundamental nature of the skitzo and how that becomes uncommodifiable. We have to have some level of ideological framing or grounding or else we loose our ability to pressure and subvert the system of capital, but, to a degree I would agree.


I agree but just to clarify. What is the "fundamental nature" of the skitzo that makes him so difficult to commodify? And by ideological framing or grounding you mean a robust theoretical framework to reference, I assume? Something the ideology shoppers or people that take are obsessed with taking on identities, lack?


The Lenin(ist) reading list so far is fucking anemic
0 Stalin? 8 Bordiga? Really guys? And the OP was made over a week ago at this point.



Post it you fucking retards.


Unironically valuable insight.


Currently reading manufacturing consent.


It's fine but read the original too


Shitttttt, I forgot thia was a thing. I'll read that too. For sure.


>"On July 31, the physical distancing requirement changes. If a workplace has unvaccinated employees, an employer would have a choice under the new rules: require everyone to be masked and physically distanced, or require unvaccinated employees to wear a respirator such as an N95 and others to wear at least a cloth face covering."


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Hey /leftypol/, /read/ here. So we've had lots of whining about lack of a Marxist-Leninist reading list, but surprisingly few actual recommendations. The mods are willing to edit the OP if more stuff is to be added. So, how about we make a Marxism-Leninism reading list, /leftypol/?

In the /read/ chat we came up with a few suggestions for books of various authors which are relevant to MLism (regardless of whether or not they considered themselves as such).

- Foundations of Leninism
- Dialectical and Historical Materialism
- Marxism and the National Question

- History and Class Consciousness

Che Guevara:
- Reminiscences of the Cuban Revolutionary War
- Socialism and Man in Cuba

We also thought of adding works by Ho Chi Minh and Antonio Gramsci, but we have refrained from doing so, as none of us are quite familiar with their works. Anyone have suggestions?read_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book


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For Gramsci we found this neat book by Foreign Languages Press which seems interesting. Pic related is what's in it.

Is this a good suggestion for an introduction to Gramsci's works?read_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book


Why does the Marxist.org intro to wage labor and capital shit on The LTV? Lol


Anyone has this book either in spanish or english? I swear i can't find it anywhereallendeAllende


It's on libgen.


We should add a link to libgen, marxist.org and z-library to the OP so people know where to look for books.


>so people know where to look for books
I prefer physical books. What are some of the best publishers for socialists? Monthly Review, Verso are the ones I know about, but what else?


Not exactly a theory book, but I really like Stites' attempts at categorizing the grassroots socialist movements of the USSR manifested in utopian experiments, and how they were reinventions of old Russian utopian ideals in a sense.transhumanismTranshumanism


>last pic


>British accent
piss off


Was cleaning my bookmarks and found transhumanistbunkerchan is dead. It was pretty embarassing as it was, but really? This is the replacement? A mold-infested interface peddlng same failed 150 year old shit? How many of you woke up at 5 am to catch the bus to the commie factory you lazy STD infested eunuchs? None.

And the rules of this site… hilarious
>Hey fellow commies, did you prep your wife's bull today?

Lol @ ''wife" … you fucking losers


(You) have aids and your wife is made for CCP


>32 page manifesto on the front cover


You people are all morons and need to read capital


The beginning is deceptively straightforward, then it hits the Chapter on Money and goes into Finnegan's Wake Territory


Cuz he's a moron who thinks that the problem with "socialism" in the USSR is that the state planners couldn't set prices right. Not only does he bend over for Stalinism, he even accepts the bourgeois critiques of "socialism" hook, line, and sinker.


Kys burger. The guy isn't even british, but it's not your fault your education system failed you


Citations needed you stupid trot


if anything you need to trim the marxist leninist stuff from the OP.

The absolute last thing a modern, new leftist needs is to be given a reading list of like 30 books published a hundred years ago. Capital is essential, but everything else is optional.


>pls stop making people read things i don't agree with
>it's unfair giving them the advantage to have them actually know about the shit i am just shitposting over


I'm writing a paper on India's independence movement, and I'm trying to find some contemporary works which debated the merit of violent resistance to the British. Gandhi wrote an article in 1929 condemning violence called "The Cult of the Bomb," which received a response in defense of violence from the Marxist revolutionary Bhagwati Charan, entitled "The Philosophy of the Bomb." I wanted to read both of these but I can't seem to find the actual text of Gandhi's article anywhere, only references to it in other works. Does anybody know where to find it?sabo-tabbySabo-Tabby


If we’re accepting Parentis standards then articles in the Nytimes and Washington Post should be good enough ?


stay mad, my teeth are white and I don't bow to an old hag


I'm sorry, I thought you meant Cockshott. Parenti is pretty decent for the average normie that wants to go beyond social democracy. Idk why you are being so harsh a critic with him now


Do you need to be an autist in the reading thread?


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On libgen there is a file that contains a shit ton of Gandhi's writings in 100 volumes. I've been combing over it and haven't stumbled upon that particular article, but I have uploaded the volume here that covers the period during which he would have written it. Pic related is a denunciation of the event in front of the Indian National Congress that led him that led him to rwite the article, so I might stumble upon it soon. But this might suffice because I'm sure the material here mimics what he wrote in that article at the time


Found the article! It was a few pages later


Archiving here for… reasonstechnocracyTechnocracy


John Smith- Imperialism in the Twenty First Century

should go in the Marxist essentials list


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Beyond based, thanks Anon.sabo-tabbySabo-Tabby


good luck! were you able to find the philosophy of the bomb?


>The Philosophy of the Bomb
Are you sure it's by Bhagwati Charan? I found this but it's by Bhagat Singh


Attentionlet here: Is any of Gnome Chompy accessible to beginners, or does the linguist expect a well-read audience? In particular, is Manufacturing Consent beginner friendly? If not, I'll start on the beginner reading list.
For reference, I burned out after the first chapter of the Communist Manifesto (although maybe 19th century works are a different tier).


I am currently reading manufacturing consent. It is not hard for me to stay connected to or read at all, anon. FYI.


There's nothing wrong with reading at your own pace. As you work reading back into your schedule you're attention span will return. Read a page a day if you have to


May I suggest a cute non-ideological book on the GDR (there is cool info on sex in Central Germany),
>Katherine Pence, Paul Betts - Socialist Modern: East German Everyday Culture and Politics
And this one,
>Fulbrook, Mary. The People's State: East German Society from Hitler to Honecker (Yale University Press, 2005)


already losinganarcho-nihilismAnarcho-Nihilism


Has anyone read any Franz Fanon? I’m thinking about reading his “Wretched of the Earth”, is it any good?


Yeah, it's based. So is black skins white masks


Yeah I found it on the Anarchist Library.
I've seen it attributed to a number of others, I mentioned Charan because that's who it was credited to in the book I'm reading on the Hindustan Socialist Republican Army.sabo-tabbySabo-Tabby



as someone who does not understand how national liberation is Marxist in any sense, that has only read some Lenin, what are some good books on Marxist national liberation?marxMarx


I'll admit I haven't read either of those, but "non-ideological book on the GDR" seems unlikely to me.

The Wretched of the Earth (Fanon).tankieTankie


How do I start on Critical Theory?brocialismBrocialism


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anyone happen to have a pdf of this?


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Nevermind, found it


Fuck that shit anon, just read Fanon


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Has anyone else here read "Suicide Note" by Mitchell Heisman?

Here's the link to the text:
(Read pp. 32 - 625)

TL;DR: https://www.scribd.com/document/198985140/Mitchell-Heisman-s-suicide-note-overview

Alternatively you can listen to it while gaming: https://youtu.be/BiMZi5P7WJA



Maybe Paulo Freire's "The Pedagogy Of The Oppressed"?


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Is Carr's History still the go-to history for beginners? Others? Thx


I mean, just read Marx. But keep in mind that debating and rhetoric aren't tied to being right or correct. It's theatrical. If you want to pwn people in debates or whatever, learn to screech like the grifters do.


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There are a lot of islamists and naive leftists who don't know the history of Iran in this board. I suggest the former to fuck off and go back to /pol/ and the latter fuckers to read up.







Who is a better companion to kapital? Harvey or Heinrich. A companion I will read and probably never get to kapital itself because it's hard as balls.


They're both good. Harvey is more of an explainer, while Heinrich is more of a critical analysis/new reading. That said, neither companion really serves as a substitute for the book itself. They're made to be read alongside Capital, not in its place. It can be difficult, but there's no replacement for it. Seriously, read the book. It's more about persistence than being le big brain theory man.

Discussing with others and asking questions can help a great deal. For this purpose, there is a new friendly Capital reading group just starting over at >>>/edu/5912


So there's this Chibber dude who looks like the average leftypol dude but he actually reads and with the power of autism he wrote a three hundred pages book about how the libs are destroying real communism and how Leninism is the way forward, all this fighting strawmen all the way.
I'm surprised it's not there so here you go.


not a marxist


Harvey butchers value (and in general misses a lot) and Heinrich rejects falling rate of profit as well as saying other wild shit. I enjoyed Cleaver's notes personally.accelerationAcceleration


Also none of the companions really work as a standalone work. They are meant to be a supplement/clarification for your own notes.accelerationAcceleration


He was pretty much a marxist. In western academia he isn't treated as one, sure. But consider that he read and drew great inspiration from the works of Marx, Mao and even the very short works of Ho Chi Minh and wrote extensive critiques of german idealism, not to mention his involvement with anti-colonial and anti-imperialist revolution. While perhaps not an explicit marxist, Fanon is marxist-adjacent enough that we can consider him at the very least a crypto-marxist. Marxist readings of Fanon seem much more fruitful than whatever "decolonial" academic libs seem to be doing with him.


>But consider that he read and drew great inspiration from the works of Marx, Mao and even the very short works of Ho Chi Minh and wrote extensive critiques of german idealism
So did Nick Land
>not to mention his involvement with anti-colonial and anti-imperialist revolution.
So did most right-wing nationalists from the third world, which is what Fannon is


t. coping westoid


sci hub has been frozen with no new uploads of papers since December 2020



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What are some great books on leftist praxis?


praxis guide: go outside


Can someone write up on good leftist extra resources like journals, magazines, blogs, publishers etc.?


How is the site called again, where one can get free files of all kinds of literary works? It was "lib"-something.socialismSocialism




Z-library is another good place to check when you are looking for books.


Fuck it. Add Grover Furr.


Thanks, comrade.socialismSocialism


semen please


I know someone who can help you with that



Any good audiobooks out there?


Nobody who reads could ever be a Marxist.
He’s right with his critics about capitalism but he’s horribly wrong on the solutions.


>but he’s horribly wrong on the solutions.
What are his solutions then. Go on and detail them please


t. never read Marx


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the killer of racists, fascists, right winger extremists and liberals

What are your thoughts on the USSR doing this or Communist supporters doing this?bolshevikBolshevik


>"Can't cook an omelet without first cracking a few eggs"
-Joseph Stalin


they arent human with right to live but eggs?bolshevikBolshevik




sounds like my anarchist phase




i read part of this and scanned through and it seems highly subversive, weaving valid points in with quick conflations trying to make division the book itself agrees are social constructs be equivalent to hard reality-derived divisions


What book would someone recommend to go in depth on why collectivism vs individualism is a false dichotomy?



it isn't though


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Does anyone have a good history book about the first red scare?


I don't mean it in a greed sense or anything like that, but more in that you can be collectively focused while still expressing your own individuality.


To often /leftypol/ thinks that because personal liberty needs to be partially suspended during a revolution, that because of this, personal liberty as a concept is inherently reactionary.


I wanted to post this as a joke in /b/, but honestly how do we start reading like 2 books a day? Some of the right is slowly becoming more intellectual in their bullshit, and it's becoming more obvious to me that you basically need to know everything ever to properly engage with them


This is your idea of a "sophisiticated" rightoid channel?


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NTA, but it's it's someone's idea of one, isn't that enough? Manipulation is manipulation no matter how dumb you think it is.


Yeah that's the thing, it's stupid but it's still presents the veneer of sophistication and when these people start spouting off about philosophy you better be fucking strapped or they'll just drown you in bullshit


I mean if this is your reason to finally read Hegel, then I won't interfere


hey hey I have found a few in the megas in this thread, but I am looking for a reading list/mega about american and/or european imperialism. I just want a book where the us is the bad guy. thanks


don't have a reading list, but check out Vijay Prashad's "Washington Bullets: A History of the CIA, Coups, and Assassinations"




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what are some basic hoxhaists texts?


you gotta read all philosophy books before reading delueze


philosophy reading list pls (complete and everything, fully so I understand Hegel and philosophy generally)



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Wealth of Nations and Capital: are they enough for understanding economics?
And about Ricardo, which book is his main work that I need to read?


Focus on those, you don't need to read Ricardo after MarxslavojSlavoj


>to dupe the masses with high-sounding phrases about peace in order to prepare for a new war; to dazzle the masses with the brilliance of “democracy” in order to consolidate the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie; to stun the masses with clamour about the “sovereign” rights of nations and states in order the more successfully to prepare for intervention in China, for slaughter in Afghanistan and in the Sudan, for the dismemberment of Persia
d- did Stalin just casually predict all this shit?



wait this shit was IN FUCKING 1924!!!???


>casually predicted
Anyone could've read the news. Imperialism started decades and decades ago. Hello, century of humiliation? Brits in Afghanistan? imperialism in India? Newfags lurk more.


>But even then the cul-de-sac stares one in the face. Look at England. The last new market which could bring on a temporary revival of prosperity by its being thrown open to English commerce is China. Therefore English capital insists upon constructing Chinese railways. But Chinese railways mean the destruction of the whole basis of Chinese small agriculture and domestic industry, and as there will not even be the counterpoise of a Chinese grande industrie, hundreds of millions of people will be placed in the impossibility of living. The consequence will be a wholesale emigration such as the world has not yet seen, a flooding of America, Asia and Europe by the hated Chinaman, a competition for work with the American, Australian and European workman on the basis of the Chinese standard of life, the lowest of all – and if the system of production has not been changed in Europe before that time, it will have to be changed then.

Engels predicted reform and opening up


Interesting, but completely incorrect about dire consequences for Chinese people leading to mass emigration


Adam Smith writes like shit and I don't think there's much to be gained from reading him, you'll get the gist on both him and Ricardo by reading Vol 2accelerationAcceleration


just nietzsche, spinoza, marx and maybe bergson (though i never bothered), stop to appreciate artists he namedropsaccelerationAcceleration


Haven't read it but there's a book called Savage Peace by Ann Hagedorn that covers the chaos of 1919, including race riots and the red scare


I feel like I should read more during my downtime in work instead of shitposting. Is there anyway to make it more pleasant on the eyes other than just going through the pdf in adobe?


e-readers are great, highly recommended. if you're short for cash you can find a used kindle for a good price


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I think the best you can do on a computer is to lower your screen brightness and maybe use a blue light filter (although it's questionable whether they even help). Using epubs instead of PDFs is also good as Adobe Reader is an absolute piece of shit and epubs can be quite comfortable to read. Of course none of this compares to physical books or ereaders, so perhaps try to get a cheap Kobo or maybe a Kindle.


Are e-readers that much better? I like to read on the phone because it's like right there and I can go on libgen and immediately download stuff


There is an ereader thread on /tech/ with recommendations
I love my ereader because it reads epubs, mobis, and pdfs, and the battery life is insane.
I get most of my books from 1lib, but sometimes i go out of my way to look for .epubs


the thing about ereaders is that they don't use regular backlit displays which fuck with your eyes, but e-ink displays, which resemble real paper more. it's a very different experience.


I prefer to read actual books when I can for sure but I'm in an office I can pass off reading on the screen as working. I've tried out using an epub instead and it does seem better for sure so thanks on that front.


Buying an eReader and pritaing books is cheaper than buying paper versions and much more pleasant than reading on your computer screen


>Harvey or Heinrich
Here is a quote from Capital, chapter one: "Skilled labour counts only as simple labour intensified, or rather, as multiplied simple labour, a given quantity of skilled being considered equal to a greater quantity of simple labour. Experience shows that this reduction is constantly being made. A commodity may be the product of the most skilled labour, but its value, by equating it to the product of simple unskilled labour, represents a definite quantity of the latter labour alone."
When the products are exchanged in the market, the product made by X hours of skilled work is usually worth more than the product made by X hours of unskilled work, so some quantity of skilled labor is equated to some (bigger) quantity of unskilled labor in the market. Harvey's comment: "Marx never explains what ‘experience’ he has in mind, making this passage highly controversial." Then more confused rambling follows.

Here's a quote from the foreword of Capital: "The value-form, whose fully developed shape is the money-form, is very elementary and simple. Nevertheless, the human mind has for more than 2,000 years sought in vain to get to the bottom of it all…"
Heinrich says repeatedly that value is specific to capitalism.

These people aren't helping with understanding anything. I say just read Capital. Take your time, don't make any rules about reading X pages per day, just pick up the book regularly.


None. Harvey is a dumbass who denies that Marx had a LTV at all. Heinrich is just as stupid. Just read the book, working class people in the 19th and 20th century read it on their lunch break. Also saying 'kapital' is a LARP






remove name


Just be a chad and read both and come to your own educated conclusions. Don't be afraid to go against the grain if you disagree with some of the remarks made. Marx has been interpreted and will continue to be so for a long time and there won't ever be a perfect reading of him. Classics like Capital are read and reread because new bits make impressions that didn't before.




it is stickied you dummy, always has beenread_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book


The mistake is understandable on our newfriend's part, as he, and most of us probably, use the overboards and that kind of negates pinned threads unfortunately.
I wonder if this would be worth changing now that we have 3 types of overboards?


been getting into theory and recently got Value, Price and Profit + Wage Labour and Capital. i am just wondering what the utility of reading this is if labor theory of value is false? or is that porky propaganda? there seems to be a good amount of valid points against it


any book recs on planned economy?
especially anything regarding OGAS?socialismSocialism


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Short answer: Keep on reading. Then read Capital.

Long answer: There is no simple answer to the question of the LTV's validity. There are two main ways of dealing with this, I would say. Some of those in the tradition of so-called Marxian Economics have brought out empirical evidence of it. Cockshott is an example of this, and he is quite popular on this board, as I'm sure you've seen. Other thinkers, like the Neue-Marx-Lekture people, point out that Marx wasn't really an advocate of the LTV as it is normally understood, as that was the theory of Adam Smith, David Ricardo, etc, and Marx was really criticising it. These people prefer to present Marx's theory as primarily critical, not descriptive in a positive sense. Michael Heinrich is a representative of this kind of theory.

Here's a video of Cockshott discussing the labor theory of value and his take on its validity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emnYMfjYh1Q . Attached are a few PDFs from Cockshott + Cottrell arguing in favor of the LTV and a PDF of Michael Heinrich criticizing so-called Marxian Economics. I don't fully endorse either position, just posting them so you can get a wider view of these things.

Ultimately I'll tell you to keep on reading what you are reading, as it is very important. And read Capital, as it is the most important book you can read regarding these questions.read_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book


holy shit, thanks a ton. really appreciated


Got any recommendations for rightoids on idpol and the culture war, urban rural antagonism, neoliberalism and the nation-state, what role liberal civil society has in capitalism/imperialism, how nationalist populism relates to imperialism and if it's 'fascist'rethuglicanRethuglican


The Managerial Revolution by Burnham. All of Burnham is fine for paleocon stuff.
Leviathan and its enemies by Samuel Francis.


I meant marxoid stuff for the recordrethuglicanRethuglican


Unironically the cultural Marxists like Adorno and the culture industry


You really don't need books to figure out the standard perspective of many of these issues.
Most Marxist theoreticians died before ever seeing this stage of capitalism; in any case you can get the main perspective by just browsing the site of literally any communist group or website regardless of sectarian differences.
Generally the line is:
<Neoliberalism was inevitable since the falling rate of profit caused the dissolution of the post-WW2 consensus which itself was an abnormality in the overall history of capitalism since capitalism always been barbaric
>Urban-Rural Antagonism
Any serious Marxist will admit that forced collectivization is necessary and that the peasantry/farmers do not factor into classical Marxist class analysis. Lenin's tactical considerations such as land reform and NEP may be resorted to if necessary, but the overall goal to address rural/urban antagonism is to prole-atize the countryside by forcing all agricultural workers to get onto state-managed collective farms and to establishing a basic standard of living and benefits to avoid alienation.
>IDPOL/Culture War
You already got everything you needed by browsing this board - basically all culture/race/etc. issues are distractions and convenient diversions organized by or seized upon by the ruling elite to avoid economic questions; I think Marx(?) or some other socialist talked about this when he remarked on the uselessness of the pro and anti-Prohibition debate as sucking up time and energy and distracting people from actual pressing problems.
>Imperialism and Liberal Society
Unironically just read The Grayzone or follow their writers or even just MSM and highlight a work every time it mentions "human rights" "humanitarian intervention" etc. for examples on how modern day liberal signaling cues are utilized in service of imperialist objectives.
>National Populism vs Fascism
Too many people have too little grounding in Fascism, specifically historical fascism in Italy and Germany and how it played out, so I would actually recommend two books in this case:

1) Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guerin
Goes over the two most famous fascist regimes in history by utilizing sources from that period (including the Fascists' own periodicals and newspapers) and analyzing what they were really (materially) doing. This is a pretty short read so I'd recommend this first.

2) Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze
Entirely focused on Nazi Germany, Tooze advances a thesis of how the Fascist outlook of Nazi Germany's society and leaders led inexorably to war and imperialism.

Having developed a better understanding of historical Fascist regimes, their characteristics, and how they came to power, you can then utilize your own brain and your own analysis of modern "Right-Populist" or nationalist political movements to figure out whether or not they really are Fascist. I'll leave it up to you but this is something you have to decide for yourself.read_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book


Thanks anon
I just need stuff from a marxist perspective to make sense of the conflict between liberalism and populismrethuglicanRethuglican


>Any serious Marxist will admit that forced collectivization is necessary
Whoa hold on there. Wtf are you saying right now? Is forced collectivization the reason why the USSR lost its dual-power base of workers and peasants? Some theorists even argue that this was the reason the bureaucracy could become as bad as it did


>Is forced collectivization the reason why the USSR lost its dual-power base of workers and peasants
Not at all, collectivization allowed peasants greater participation in soviets


This is not a joke or a shitpost but I'm finally starting Capital Vol 1 and I kinda don't want to because I feel like it's going to alienate me from other people even more

like what the fuck type of dude gets a girlfriend reading this shit


Hi PoMo


>what is citizenship


Hey bros I’m a newbie to philosophy and I wanted to know if it was better to start with: Camus, la Boetie, Plato, Sartre or Vaneigem.


Raul Vaneigem because he is very easy to read. If you plan on reading the Situ's you will get a better all around understanding from him as a beginner than you will anyone else.


Thanks! I also thought about Freud, Rousseau or Badiou but they're longer and harder I think


If the ideas Vanegiem portrays interests you I'd move on to Debord and probably get the Situationist Anthology if english is your first language. It's probably the best one to have.
https://www.akpress.org/situationistinternationalanthology.html In fact i'd say it's a very good one to start with, too.anarchismAnarchism


>>441293 (me)
Oh, and don't let any sperg intimidate you out of reading them through an irrational froffing hatred of 'post-modernists'.
I know it shouldn't be said but it seems all to common in modern day.


Anyone got anything for the history of Arab and Chinese nationalism, Latin American and African anti imperialist/populist movements, and communist interactions with these?


Why would it preclude you from getting a girlfriend?


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Please add https://y2mate.red/ to the Frontpage links it's a (communist) free video/audio downloader that allows people to take videos from a lot of different video uploading sites. It's been pretty useful for me.



What makes a video downloader "communist"?


Not that anon but I feel the same, it's like I'm afraid of learning something new. Any books about this feeling? Give me something.


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Ok I'm close to finishing off Chapter 3 of Capital Volume 1 and I don't understand ANY of this bullshit

Some parts blow my fucking mind but I feel like you have to read this book like 12 times if you're a brainlet

Do you think the average right winger has read this shit?

btw no gf still


>MuH WaNgZ
>MuH PrEcIeOuS PoLiTiCaL WaNgZ!!!


>bunch angry, fragile gibberish
But yeah, I feel the same way, lol. Fuck someone
telling me not to masterbate in the common area.
Good. Thanks. A few of those I missed on my first-pass of theory.
Any good suggestions for ykno practical applications of all this theory and theorizin' and big brain shit?
Like, an account or journal of someone on the ground when this took place and began to work out
I'm assuming on some small scale, but I have heard that even most small communes fold in a decade, and that's been my real life experience as well. So, maybe …yknow I'm sorta answering my own question here but a "The Farm" bio by ol Sehephen Gasgin or whatever his name is, something along those lines but more Leftypol approved?



aw, no epubs? Lp so basic!


We get a hardon for proprietary formats.


epubs should be allowed, were you unable to upload them? If so, what happened?


1st off, fuck paying 5-6 dollars for a fucking used paperback. Went into ye olde 1.2price bookstore. Yeah, fuck you and fuck all that. Plus, the amount of times these assholes have swindled me out of money when I was going through Dts/WDs and hard up for cash, they don't pay diddly shit and turn around and rape you. I used to go dumpster dive and sell the treasures at the next 1/2 price. Pickedup a lot of old Playboys and interesting collage material and a few good old ones. Made gas money and beer money for the night that way …for a few months. Etc. No one cares but anyways…it's a tactic anyone here can take up if you need scratch in a hurry. What else?

Can't Kindle erase all your books? And with the coming …I'm not even sure what they, or anyone, currently calls it but: Big tech browsing, scanning all your files to market segment ads to you, specifically, based on psychographics and possible harassing or just 'straight up' deleting files you acquired illegally]…not so sure buying a dedicated ereader is a good choice, but freely admit that I'm not really aware of the issues.
As far as …all that I mentioned above, the same applies on any PC you have connected online, esp if not running Linux or Linux based OS. (Which is a huge pain in the asshole as 90% of your softwares will require FT work to get them to run on Linux or Linux based OSs?)
Anyhow, I have a dedicated tablet with …fgn who knows, probably 10GBs of epubs and pdfs and use Lithium to read, highlight (only on epubs) and etc. I know Alexandra Elbakyan personally and thank her every time I see here for risking her life for her beliefs. (-_-)
No dice it just showed an 'x' and ..


What I'm suggesting here is 'chain' diving used bookstores. These wasteful snobs can be exploited and you'd be saving books from the garbage.


Remember to boycott America


Don't buy a kindle, buy a kobo


Hey guys. I want to become a Marxist journalist. How do I learn to analyze current political events like Marx would?


just don't be sperglord


You learn by first having a sound theoretical base (that is read your damn books), getting knowledgeable regarding the events/country for which you want to write an article (not necessarily Marxist works or sources) and then post your article somewhere where enough people can read it and criticise it. Incorporate the good faith criticisms into your next works (you might encounter many sectarian based critics, e.g. "You have not cited my favourite obscure author of my microsect therefore you're an enemy of the proletariat", so you'll have to wade through those in order to get valuable inputs).
In other words:


If you actually have a personality being cultured and well read is a huge boon.


Anyone here have any suggestions for a biography on Marx and Engels? I'm looking for something more specifically on how they organized and fought for socialism in there lifetimes beyond writing theory.


Best resource for that is their letters and correspondence. The MECW is what you want, all 50 volumes of it.


MECW? What is that?


Marx & Engels's Collected Works.


Thinking about starting an audiobook for when I'm commuting/exercising. Is there a specialised pirate site for this or am I just going to have to fork over the cash to amazon if I can't find something I want?


have you tried just googling your desired book in audio format? a lot of them are distributed for free, you might even find something on youtube


Yeah this gets the job done most of the time but sometimes it's a battle so was just checking there wasn't a libgen esque site I was missing out on.


Can anyone recommend a book that covers the Prague Spring and the reforms it involved?


Does anyone have a backup of the law of value youtube series? https://kapitalism101.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/the-law-of-value-2-the-fetishism-of-commodities/

Seems to be missing from youtube


the whole series was collected into this one big video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb6dXR6AfXE


Amazing thanks anon.



I love capitalism with socialist characteristics


A thread was made a while back on Venice and Athenian democracy. Did anyone by chance keep the names of the books?


I only have this one.


Hal Draper's Karl Marx's Theory of Revolution is all you need. Read all 5 books.


>I'm looking for something more specifically on how they organized and fought for socialism in there lifetimes beyond writing theory.
Read The Historic Accomplishment of Karl Marx by Karl Kautsky. It's a relatively brief pamphlet (written as a series of lectures) that specifically cuts out all the biographical and theoretical details to focus on Marx and Engels' political strategy in the Communist League and First International, and how it differed from the various communist sects of their time. It was only translated recently but it's seriously good.
>inb4 "Kautsky was a revisionist renegade"
This was by pre-renegade Kautsky and Lenin specifically endorsed this work. In fact the famous quote attributed to Lenin that Marxism is the "combination of German philosophy, English economics, and French socialism" is copied pretty much directly from Kautsky's pamphlet.
I second these recommendations, especially Hal Draper's books at least the first volume is good.

Finally, the Marx movie (The Young Karl Marx) is actually really well done and worth watching. The Marx anime produced by the CPC isn't quite as good but it is a thorough account of his life story. It's worth watching if you hate reading pure biographies but still want to understand some of the context behind their political works.



Recommend me books that will help me get rich.


Hmm. I'd recommend you do preliminary reading on how money is made. Assuming you're a leftist you have some idea, hopefully.

If you want to make money with rents, you'll need to buy something you can lend out. It doesn't have to be physical. There are many many markets. Some carry more risk than others.
Profit implies you're selling a commodity. You'll want to eventually exploit employees to gain profit. You'll have to put in a lot of work establishing procedures for your employees to follow. You'll also need to do reading on whatever your business niche is. Read books on how shit is made, market trends, etc.

If you want to make money via wages, including self-employment, your best bet is to save aggressively. There's also other stuff you can do, such as constantly apply to higher paying jobs, and negotiate better salaries. Usually, aggressive saving strategies have more impact than others. For this you can read lots of blogs etc that give you tips to save. Also, don't be scared to get into thrift shopping, garbage diving, especially if you're in the US.


what theory though? communism isnt based in anything scientific. karl marx had no background in economics, which is the science of personal choice.


>karl marx had no background in economics
Economics didn't even exist then you dumb retard. Political Economy was its precursor and was practiced by philosopher like Smith and Marx famously. Why are rightoids like you so braindead I wonder


adam smith published "wealth of nations" in 1776 and founded the formal study of economics. you can read about it if you dont believe me.


>The publication of Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations in 1776, has been described as "the effective birth of economics as a separate discipline."


>classical political economy



>>classical political economy
Which is called classical economics.

>Classical political economy
>Main article: Classical economics

>Classical economics or classical political economy is a school of thought in economics that flourished, primarily in Britain, in the late 18th and early-to-mid 19th century. Its main thinkers are held to be Adam Smith, Jean-Baptiste Say, David Ricardo, Thomas Robert Malthus, and John Stuart Mill. These economists

>>These economists

>Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations in 1776 is usually considered to mark the beginning of classical economics.

>Adam Smith FRSA (baptized 16 June [O.S. 5 June] 1723[1] – 17 July 1790) was a Scottish[a] economist

let me also reiterate:
>The publication of Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations in 1776, has been described as "the effective birth of economics as a separate discipline."

so yeah.


>it was always called political economy
>no, it wasn't, and the way Wikipedia organizes his articles, is the proof of that


>Classical economics or classical political economy is a school of thought in economics

its a sub category of economics meaning its economics. it says right there. it also says political economy is classical economics. >>478923


Smith never labeled his works as "classical economics", he labeled them as political economy
>But in retrospective economists grouped him and other economists as classical economists
Not what we are discussing you subhuman transhumanist


political economy is classical economics. its just a name, he is classical economics and economics as a distinct topic started with him. its not the name, its the content. so if you say "economics" didnt exist at the time of marx, you are patently incorrect. wealth of nations was released in 1776 and classical economists immediately built upon his work. go read about it.

allow me to repeat myself lol (fourth time)
>The publication of Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations in 1776, has been described as "the effective birth of economics as a separate discipline."


>Political economy is classical economics
So in reteospective Marx was an economist just like Smith

You really didn't think this through


calling yourself an economist doesnt make you one either. marx had no background or education in economics.


Because economics as a discipline didn't existed back then, it was called political economy, and he was a political economist


Also, friendly reminder Smith didn't have a formal education on "economics" either

Good job you utter imbecile, you have no argument and you must sneed


except political economy is called classical economics and also this >>478923

except adam smith founded modern economics and economic theory is based on his work, specifically his book "wealth of nations". its hard to be educated in something that didnt formally exist until you created it. >>478923

> First published in 1776, the book offers one of the world's first collected descriptions of what builds nations' wealth, and is today a fundamental work in classical economics

>The latter, often abbreviated as The Wealth of Nations, is considered his magnum opus and the first modern work of economics

the point of the matter is that economics did exist in marx's time. by that time there was a formal study of economics, there was a field of economists and marx had no education in it at all.

>It was not until 1767 that the phrase "supply and demand" was first used by Scottish writer James Denham-Steuart in his Inquiry into the Principles of Political Economy.

>Adam Smith used the phrase after Steuart in his 1776 book The Wealth of Nations. In The Wealth of Nations, Smith asserted that the supply price was fixed but that its "merit" (value) would decrease as its "scarcity" increased, this idea by Smith was later named the law of demand. In 1803, Thomas Robert Malthus used the phrase "supply and demand" twenty times in the second edition of the Essay on Population.[17]

If you understand anything about economics you would know that everything is built on this principle. it existed well before marx's time which should give you an idea that economics was a thing. simply throwing terminology around without under understanding what anything means just proves you dont know what you are talking about.


are you the kid that got banned yesterday for being too retarded


>banning people for disagreeing with you
is that what this site does? lol


yes. cry about it


>Political economy is called classical economics
Therefore Marx, being a political economist, is a classical economists

>except adam smith founded modern economics and economic theory is based on his work, specifically his book "wealth of nations". its hard to be educated in something that didnt formally exist until you created it.

Lot's of words for "Smith also didn't have a background on economics"

Gg no re, retard


>karl marx had no background in economics
He literally studied the entire history of economic thought from the ancient greeks to the 19th century, lol.


Anyone have any favourite books on CIA/MI6 intervention?


he maybe claimed to. his education is in linguistics or something. the proof is in the pudding, the economic results of his system speak for themselves (they arent very good).

he was never educated in that and has no background in it, let alone practicing it.

>comparing marx to adam smith

adam smiths work is actually scientific and he founded modern economics. like literally the science of economics is based on his work because its actually correct. when your work is the foundation of classical economics which is the foundation of modern economic theory practiced worldwide, thats kind of significant.

by the time of marx economics was an established field of study with actual theory, marx received no education in it and had no background in it.


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>the science of economics
pic related, economists trying to figure out what the Economy wants.


Are you lying to yourself for pleasure or profit?
Lmao. I got that reference.


>doesnt know what economics is
just like marx!


show me a single economics


>he was never educated in that and has no background in it, let alone practicing it.
Uh lol. Marx earned a PhD in philosophy from one of the top universities of Germany and on top of that spent 10+ years at the British Museum library studying all the most important economists in preparation for Capital. He had some of the best education in the world when it came to economic thought.

>adam smiths work is actually scientific and he founded modern economics.

Adam Smith was a professor of moral philosophy. No such thing as economics was taught at the time. Political economy is what the field became known as, and no Smith didn't found it either, there were many influential economists before him like Petty, Cantillon, Quesnay, etc that he learned from. What is known as modern economics, aka neoclassical economics, is something that didn't appear until the late 19th century.
Also, do you realize much of Marx's work is based on Adam Smith, right? So why do you think Smith is scientific and right and Marx isn't?
>the science of economics is based on his work because its actually correct
It's not really based on his work. The core of modern economics is based on Walras' model of general equilibrium. Classical political economy was gradually abandoned by the mainstream in favor of the neoclassical economics of Walras, Jevons, Marshall, etc. This was partly in reaction to Marx's uncomfortable implications and the growing threat of the socialist movement. Marx was the cultimination and last of the classical economists in the vein of Smith, Ricardo, Mill, etc.


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"So the problem here is something which looked to be a very solid edifice, and indeed a critical pillar, to market competition and free markets did break down and I think that, as I said, shocked me. I still do not fully understand why it happened. And obviously to the extent that I figure out whrre it happened and why, I will change my view."

"What I've learned at the Federal Reserve is a new language which is called "Fed-speak". You soon learn to mumble with great incoherence." – Alan Greenspan

Wow! And this is the best economist in the United States!


“Karl Marx’s Das Kapital is actually a very thoughtful book.”
— High Shaman Greenspan


>“Karl Marx’s Das Kapital is actually a very thoughtful book.”
meaning what exactly? a statement with no meaning. it doesnt mean its grounded in anything real.


>society isn't real
easy there, Joker, you're gonna cut yourself on that edge


>Recommend me books that will help me get rich.
The only book you will need I promise you.


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This is a big book, for you.


hey, that's not theory


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That's just proof you haven't read it then.


William Blum Killing Hope is probably the most comprehensive black shirts and reds is also good


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Pdf for anyone interested


Any books on Capitalism’s destruction of culture?




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I keep getting owned by a marxist who is smarter and more well read than me on 4/lit/ and its pissing me off. If you are here, go fuck yourself.


go fuck yourself


>and its pissing me off
then you should stop leaving /pol/


>I keep getting owned by a marxist who is smarter and more well read than me on 4/lit/
Because you're a republicunt!!!


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better version of 3 (some covers differ but same books)


Anyone know of any decent books about everyday life in the ussr?
I read thru Behind The Urals but john scott seems like a spook




anyone got some book recs on polish socialism or just books made by polish leftists in general?


Most my political reading is done online. I follow vice and buzzfeed for anything on race and general social stuff, the canary for politics and class specific issues. I’m going to start reading paper based books just to get away from the screen for a while.


>I follow vice and buzzfeed



They both do some good investigative content. Vice recently did a story on a neo Nazi music festival that was allowed to take place somewhere in Eastern Europe. For a long time now I’ve believed political power in the institutions like media is as crucial as political power in government.

Look at the Trump regime, he ‘won’ but everything was geared against him and he achieved nothing, because the culture war is already lost for facists.


Bob Black should never be recommended. He was a literal FBI informant.



holy shit those feminist books, tsk tsk, first off Rosa got rekt, Emma was obviously a fed, Alexandra promoted the poly lifestyle into the USSR which is promoted by women today, Engels was a cuckold, Angela Davis, another fed and Simone was just a straight whore, no thanks.


no wonder your takes are this consistently absolute retarded shit


but both are liberal
and you must be EXCEEDINGLY wary


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which books or articles would you recommend to a diehard libertarian, to convince them marxism is compatible with their ethics?


The soul of man under socialism

But probably nothing without actually changing your ethics



Listening to the communist manifesto penguin classics. What do I read next?


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> listening


Read "Wage Labour and Capital" by ol K. Marx and "How to Be a Good Communist" by Liu Shaoqi.
take this (You)



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>"Elementary education by the state" is altogether objectionable. Defining by a general law the expenditures on the elementary schools, the qualifications of the teaching staff, the branches of instruction, etc., and, as is done in the United States, supervising the fulfillment of these legal specifications by state inspectors, is a very different thing from appointing the state as the educator of the people! Government and church should rather be equally excluded from any influence on the school. Particularly, indeed, in the Prusso-German Empire (and one should not take refuge in the rotten subterfuge that one is speaking of a "state of the future"; we have seen how matters stand in this respect) the state has need, on the contrary, of a very stern education by the people.
>A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary, since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.
>"5. Regulation of prison labor."
>A petty demand in a general workers' program. In any case, it should have been clearly stated that there is no intention from fear of competition to allow ordinary criminals to be treated like beasts, and especially that there is no desire to deprive them of their sole means of betterment, productive labor. This was surely the least one might have expected from socialists.
Why do people recommend Critique of the Gotha Program? It makes Marx look retarded.


Child labor as was seen in Britain wasn't even universal in Marx's time, it's bizarre he would write that.


>First one
You think the socialist programme should demand that the reactionary as fuck Prussian government have the complete power to dictate school curriculums? His point is that public education is good, complete centralization in the hands of the reactionary state is not.
>Second one
Yeah this is what's called polytechnics, applied in the USSR for example, look it up. Schools teach both theoretical content and practical productive content. Think woodwork, handicraft, mechanical, etc classes. Point is kids shouldn't be educated completely apart from the productive system, as knowing how to engage with modern practical/technical knowledge is vital. Children involved in productive processes from early on can become well educated proles and are prime material for the formation of class conscious, revolutionary workers, capable of self-managing in the context of a DotP, for example.
>Third one
He doesn't want prisoners to be treated as slaves, but rather as regular proles. Him calling it petty is because the program ignores all sorts of other way more important things and then says this as if it were highly relevant for the context. If the programme pretends to be as detailed and complete as to consider prison labor, it shouldn't be getting all the major points wrong.


Polytechnics are not the same thing as child labor. His argument isn't that children should be educated in the productive process, but that they should be used in production.


>with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.

idk doesn't seem that hard to comprehend


Anything by Henryk Grossman and Rosa Luxemburg


>trump lost because of cultural issues not because his decisions weakened american domestic and foreign economic interests

Keep on reading vice



Awesome analysis of how Buzzfeeds relatability may have its roots in Marxist thought.


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Can anyone recommend a world history book from ancient to present times with as little anti-communist bias a possible? I made the mistake of buying "A Little History of The World" by Gombrich only to afterwords learn it's a children's book and he's an anti-communist. But I'd like a single book covering briefly all of world history so I can learn which overall topics I want to delve into in more detail I guess



World History- A New Perspective; written by Clive Ponting who leaked documents to Labour MPs regarding the sinking of the Belgrano in the Falklands War.


Thanks this looks perfect


>Historical Materialism series

OP this download link is broken please reupload?


I doubt someone else has an archive like that available, but I can tell you most of those books are available on libgen, and lists of all the titles in the series can be found here:


So browse through the lists and look up whatever you find interesting on libgen.


Any reads that go into the destructive effects on Society of capitalism, especially relating to social media and TikTok etc


Not exactly reading, but a great video against capitalism by one of the founders of analytical Marxism. Very easy to understand and he does break down common capitalist talking points.


> analytical marxism
> its a moral philosophy
good speaker but this is is pretty ironic


Pretty underrated, Haymarket has been publishing updated Kuhn translations of his work - his most famous the Law of Accumulation, is slanted for a full english release (the marxists.org version has a missing chapter) later this year.

Only economist of that time that didn't fall into some trap of underconsumptionist thinking as the cause of crises.


Curious if anyone would want to tackle Shaik's Capitalism and Crises book in a reading group, it requires some familiarity with neoclassical theory and at least Volume 1 of Capital, though you'll probably need to understand prices of production, turnovers, and the two department macroeconomic model.

There's an accompanying course for it on youtube.


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Anyone read picrel? It is admittedly from the country that brought us Eurocommunism and this book apparently somewhat reflects that (it's from 2011) but at least Zizek loved it so that's a plus.


>Gianni Vattimo
into the trash it goes.


Why is he bad? Don't really know anything about the guy which is why I asked


I don't really know how to put it other than he's a really shit communist. Like just have a look at his political career if you wanna have quick round down of him, facts speak more than words. And honestly he's probably more of a postmodernist than an actual communist.
If you want something good from Italy have a look at Losurdo.


How do leftists cope with the fact that life under commie leadership was so shitty that it couldn’t even compete with capitalism, a horrid system, when it came to giving workers a decent living standard, so much so that commie reactionaries had to build a wall to imprison its own working class.
How do you overlook that? What the fuck.


by remembering you are talking out of your ass about shit you don't know.


>>285223 does anybody know a good way to represent marxist reproduction schema visually? The only one ive ever seen is in the appendix to sweezys theory of capitalist development, but i dont think its very clear.


Theory is for bitch-ass hoes. I refuse to elaborate.


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The only theory I read.


What contributions has the Democractic Kampuceha made to Marxist theory. Genuinely curious.


>Marx & Engels Collected Works (900+ MB, 50 files)The official, complete works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels organized in 50 volumes and 3 categories.

Thanks for that, this way I don't have to spend £1,600.00 or use a shitty app.

Fuck you Lawrence & Wishart


Hey, a capitalist in the publishing business must protect his exclusivity.


I know this is not reading related but does anyone have podcast recommendations?
I tried listening to Revolutionary Left Radio and Proles of the Round table but tbh I found them very cringy and uninformative. Just seemed to be yank brocialists with pretty surface-level takes.


I like Rev Left Radio but episodes are variable in quality depending on the people invited, the Vietnam ones are very informative for example. Behind the Bastards has like a billion episodes, there is also Well there's your problem on engineering catastrophes but there is a lot of useless banter in both of those.


Rev Left Radio will grow on you, some of the episodes are pretty boring but the good ones are very much worth the listen

I Don't Speak German for coverage of the right wing from a Marxist perspective


Is it good?


Yes, this is a very good book


i am in tier one and i still did not studied the commune system in communism. currently reading "critique of the gotha programme" and understanding nothing. what to read before this?


I would say Socialism utopian and scientific and the Communist manifesto.


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Oh god there's so much to read

I feel the walls closing in, anons


How am I ever going to understand what actually happened during the Russian revolution and the eastern front when I cant even read through Capital :(
I just feel dumb when people start arguing about socialist history like what can I say, "is war a commodity?"
fuck me


just watch videos summarising stuff then fake it til u make it
they only savants about this shit are no life autists anyway


What if it's a government by and for the people? ie direct democracy or sortition?


anybody who posts about how they're some kind of posting martyr for getting banned needs to log off and get laid


Day one of reading Capital. In the preface, Marx says something along the lines of the following (I paraphrase a lot):
>The problems caused by the development of capitalist production are juxtaposed by the problems caused by the incompleteness of that development, namely the social and political anachronisms arising from the passive survival of antiquated modes of production.
>Even when a society progresses towards the discovery of the natural laws of its movement, it can’t hastily overcome or legislate away the obstacles of each successive phase of its normal development. However, such can help to shorten and lessen the chaos and hardship arising from such transitions. Therefore, this work analysis the history, details and results of English factory legislation to such ends.
Can someone explain in a bit more detail what position Marx is advocating here?


It would be better if you could post some direct quotes. Which preface is this from?


Preface to the First German Edition (Marx, 1867), page 7. Based on these paragraphs:
>Where capitalist production is fully naturalised among the Germans (for instance, in the factories proper) the condition of things is much worse than in England, because the counterpoise of the Factory Acts is wanting. In all other spheres, we, like all the rest of Continental Western Europe, suffer not only from the development of capitalist production, but also from the incompleteness of that development. Alongside the modern evils, a whole series of inherited evils oppress us, arising from the passive survival of antiquated modes of production, with their inevitable train of social and political anachronisms. We suffer not only from the living, but from the dead. Le mort saisit le vif! [The dead holds the living in his grasp. – formula of French common law]
>As in the 18th century, the American war of independence sounded the tocsin for the European middle class, so that in the 19th century, the American Civil War sounded it for the European working class. In England the process of social disintegration is palpable. When it has reached a certain point, it must react on the Continent. There it will take a form more brutal or more humane, according to the degree of development of the working class itself. Apart from higher motives, therefore, their own most important interests dictate to the classes that are for the nonce the ruling ones, the removal of all legally removable hindrances to the free development of the working class. For this reason, as well as others, I have given so large a space in this volume to the history, the details, and the results of English factory legislation.
>One nation can and should learn from others. And even when a society has got upon the right track for the discovery of the natural laws of its movement – and it is the ultimate aim of this work, to lay bare the economic law of motion of modern society – it can neither clear by bold leaps, nor remove by legal enactments, the obstacles offered by the successive phases of its normal development. But it can shorten and lessen the birth-pangs.


Ah, I see. Thank you for posting the source.

I suppose Marx isn't really 'advocating a position' here as you said, but simply observing capitalist development in Germany. His view being that the introduction of industrial production techniques in what was at the time a still backwards country - in terms of property relations, legislation, the whole composition of the state, etc - turned out to be much more gruesome than in a country like England where capitalist development had been around for longer, thus being able to slowly develop alongside the bourgeois-democratic and labor movements. In England, the development of industry had accompanied the slow development of a labor movement (Chartism, for example) as well as bourgeois-democratic forms which allowed for some reforms to be applied (the Factory Acts he refers to, as well as various other reforms mentioned later). This situation made it so that the state was compelled to produce actual research on the economic and social conditions of England, something that couldn't be said for Germany. The recent economic development of Germany, under the conditions of the Bismarck political era had still not allowed the possibility for study. England had the Blue Books and factory inspection reports (sources that you will see Marx refer to frequently as you go through the book), Germany did not, making things more nebulous, both for theorists like Marx and for bourgeois-democratic reformers. I guess it speaks to why Marx chose to use England as the main example for capitalism in the book - not only was it the country in which the economic forms were most developed, but it was also the only country in which the *literature* necessary to accomplish such a study was available.

Ultimately if there is a 'position' Marx is advocating here, it is that capitalist development and """decent""" living standards for workers are not in opposition as bourgs liked to claim, exemplified by the reforms applied in England (or 20th century welfare state capitalism). These reforms came, limiting how much workers could be exploited and establishing basic working conditions, yet capitalism kept chugging along. There was no collapse of industry, as porky said would happen. Similar reforms could be applied in Germany, in order to mitigate the worst effects of industrialism, but the political and technical-managerial development necessary to apply them had not been fully achieved yet.


The West is one big delusion due to a liberal interpretation of Plato. Externalism. Abstract "Truth" from another world. "Another world". Christianity is Platonism for the masses. The abstract Forms of the "Free Market" and the "Invisible Hand" is affirmed over the material conditions.

The big question is how does Marxist conquer Platonism and bring its theory into its own service.


Thanks anon.


hey lp piratefag here, I've been thinking that people should make a big torrent of leftypol essentials (books, movies, podcasts, etc) I'd do it myself if I wasn't a lazy fuckkin stoner, but I'm sure there's someone here that could do it. If you ever make a thread on something like it, i'll look at it


There's already a torrent thread on /edu/ with torrents for the complete works of Marx, Engels, Lenin and selected works of various others >>>/edu/6444


ah i see. don't do drugs kids lol



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so I bought this commie book, but I don't really trust myself to understand it 100%
I know it is already basically a reading guide, but is there a reading guide for this reading guide?


What's the best way to start reading Hegel

this guide https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/help/introduc.htm

suggests to start with Logic first. Any thoughts?


>suggests to start with Logic first. Any thoughts?
Don't do that. Hegel regarded the Phenomenology as the introduction to his system, and that's the best place to start. It is hard, but neither the Science of Logic or the Encyclopedia Logic will be kinder to you.

If you're not familiar with Kant, I'd actually suggest starting with Kant and some sort of guidebook or guidebooks, depending on how much pre-Kantian philosophy you've read.


Does reading actually make you any better or smarter than other people? Why do we read? Why are we here?

How did I even find this website!?


>Does reading actually make you any better or smarter than other people?
No, it only makes you less prone to say stupid things. That may make you seem better or smarter to other people, but it doesn't necessarily make you better or smarter.


Manual improvement to intelligence requires very specific activity, the brain is a particular muscle with its own regimentation. Neuroscientists have proven the possibility of intellectual improvement and raised capabilities, while meanwhile psychometricians (reactionary retards who don't actually understand biology/genetics, physiology, or neurology) disagree with the idea that you can lastingly improve your fluid intelligence.


Hi Guys

Could someone share some essential Pol Pot khmer rouge theory?
Anti glasses gang


There is none.


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What are some good texts on how capitalism destroys culture?
Bonus points if it can elucidate what we see with TokTik and other social media


Schumpeter and creative destruction.


>beginners reading list
>10 massive books written a hundred years ago

speaking as a educator, can I have a beginners list that is actually a beginners list and not just ML wank? Yes, include Capital, but we shouldn't be loading up beginners with stacks and stacks of old stuff FFS


What're some good books on Juche? I heard "Essential Juche Works" is horribly translated and I'm not sure if there are others that people would recommend.



Should I read How to Read Donald Duck by Ariel Dorfman and Armand Mattelart? I am not very experienced in regards of theory, I have only read the Capital Volume 1.

Also, what books will help me to make Marxist analysis on different things, such as literature and film? Would prefer something that is widely translated.


The weakness of the Left and the weakness of the Right are essentially the same thing, failure to deal with people that misrepresent your group, aka mainstream media.

If you want to change the status quo at all and form a movement you have to be able to convince people of your position, but you can't do that in an environment where the mainstream media gets more screen time and misrepresents your position using out of context information or their own stand ins to represent you.

The mainstream media is controlled by the USA Federal government. They control the hiring, they keep journalists under a microscope and have leverage over them. They are committed to preserving the status quo and the current billionaire families above all else and will COINTEL anything that represents genuine change.

Their goal is to misrepresent every political opposition group and get them to attack each other while leaving the current regime in power without using any of their resources for defense or drawing any lines in the sand that show they aren’t a neutral party at all, but a distinct party totally out for itself.

There’s an easy way to ruin their strategy and that is to create a list of priorities held by the population, not the political group, and pursue them in order of priority as sole movements.

Instead of the Left or the Right, why not make it about executing the politicians and Federal agents responsible for gutting the USA economy and transferring wealth and power to unmerited dirt-bags in their club?

And you could just go down the list of issues ranging from eliminating bad crony families until you reach a point where there is an actual dispute between the Left and the Right.

You will never resolve the problems that are unique to the Left or the Right so long as the Federal government/corporate structure can keep the Left and the Right fighting with each other to stay in charge. You have to wonder just how many conflicts we would have with them removed from the equation, though.

The current Federal law enforcement are in cahoots with the billionaires and foreign governments that don't give a damn about Americans, Europeans, Australia, or New Zealand. There is no reason to expect any of the problems will be resolved until they're gone, since they profit from continuing the problems forever and they are the ones that created them in the first place.


>Ok here's the problem, but I won't present any solutions
Idk in which world you think this constitutes an effortpost or a post of valuable insight



Because it hasn't been tried.

Political movements in the USA rarely take off because they tend to include things people don't all agree on and then the existing real political groups (not the DNC or RNC) conflict.

But if you had only one message, only one objective at a time, that everyone, EVERYONE, agreed with, it would have no opposition on the ground. The TV could be screaming whatever it wanted to try to disuade people, but it would have no effect because the movement was so concisely built around 1 single issue everyone wanted resolved.

You know why the media doesn't have segments where people argue for why the billionaires and all the politicias and Federal law enforcement that defend them from the public they're exploiting?

It's because there is no argument for defending the billionaires that have gutted and ripped off this country and ruined hundreds of millions of lives with unjustified poverty.

To even attempt to touch the subject would backfire because the situation in the USA is so grossly immoral.

If you want to change this system, you have to think about it in terms of virality. How fast can you spread your movement and mobilize people before the state clamps down? If your movement spreads faster because everyone already agrees with it and people mobilize with guns and local law enforcement refuse to defend the billionaires, political sellouts, or the Feds that work for them; then you've accomplished real change.

But you're unlikely to do that if you make your movement about so many niche issues that carve your base down to next to nothing.

The boomer politicians fucked us and wrecked the country so they could be a tiny bit more wealthy on cheap import scams and artificially inflating the cost of housing. Some people profited wildly from this and likely were the ones that instigated it in the first place, they are called the billionaires. And nothing is being done about it because some sellouts called Feds are siding with these people that ruined the country economically instead of us.

If you keep it to that and tell everyone, "Get your fucking guns it's time to clear these bastards out! Half of you go here, half of you drive out to the other cities to tell other people the revolution starts now.", there's very little the Federal government could do to stop it from spreading across the country at a time like this when all across the country people are starting to realize they are never getting the American dream because of them.


Does anyone here know anything about this book, or where I can find an English translation?


You know why the media doesn't have segments where people argue against executing all the billionaires, all the federal politicians, and the Federal law enforcement that defend them from the public they're economically genociding?*


How exactly are you going to 'deal with the mainstream media'? Ask everyone to stop watching it?

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