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 No.310503[Last 50 Posts]

All ideologies enforce obedience in their followers through emotion. Shame is a nearly ubiquitous one. Cynicism, or lack of emotion, is a defining feature of modern liberalism. But a defining feature of reaction, that's critical to understanding it, and critical to understanding WHY people would believe irrational things, is disgust. It can be hard to convince people of things that go directly against logic, and against evidence. But with the power of disgust you can overpower people's minds to the point where logic doesn't even have a chance.

Disgust is an extremely common tactic among the right wing. They designate the Other as Disgusting. Whenever you get into an argument with a /pol/yp, they're guaranteed to throw that revenge fantasy copypasta about how you're a transwoman and you're going to suffer and die for not conforming to gender standards. They're constantly posting pictures of ugly political enemies, unflattering pictures of trans people, jews, communists, women, and black people. It's not just ugliness. Associating identity-groups with sadistic and violent acts is very common. If a black person does something heinous, black people are responsible for it, and therefore people who don't think black people are responsible for it are also responsible for it, and therefore if you don't support deporting or killing all the black people you think that what that black person did is okay! How awful! What a black person killed YOUR family? Surely you'd have to support genocide, or else you'd be defending your family's killer.

It's hard to prove someone else wrong, especially if you don't have logic on your side. But it's very easy to claim that someone else is insane, mentally ill, sadistic, ugly, born evil, and just plain the most terrible monster to ever exist. If you can paint someone as that (and you always can, with enough lies and assumptions), then you can expect your followers to totally disregard that person's arguments. You don't need to listen to the words of an insane person who supports murder and pedophilia.

I was inspired to make this thread after reading pic related. It made me sick. It's a typical hyper-violent fascist revenge fantasy about the murder of Mollie Tibbets, who was killed by a farm worker by jogging. The author essentially insinuates that she deserved her death by being a liberal, and that her parents were complicit in her death because by not supporting the Trump regime's concentration camps, they were tacitly supporting her killer (who was Mexican). The author gushes and obsesses over how she must have suffered as she died, trying to invoke a harsh emotional reaction in the reader, giving far more detail than is actually available about the case. When her parents decried reactionary politicians who used her death as an excuse to murder more brown people domestically and abroad, the author accuses them of "making excuses" for a "shitskin". The depiction of the omnipresent subhuman invader is one subject of the disgust, but you're also intended to be disgusted by the victim, who is depicted as naive, and responsible for her own death by not being racist. They accuse her parents of not loving her. The Enemy is thus defined: naive, idiotic, subhuman, incapable of love, worthy of rape murder and death. The whole thing was so disrespectful it made me sick.

Another interesting thing to note is that reactionary propaganda often portrays intense revenge fantasies, but with a secondary Other playing the role of the taker of revenge. Fascists want communists and liberals to die, and frequently they fantasize themselves doing the killing, but they often imagine them getting their "just desserts" by another enemy that they made the mistake of trusting. Transwomen are going to rape your daughter and then you'll be sorry you made fun of me on twitter. Islamists are gonna cut off your head and then you'll be sorry you laughed at me for supporting eugenics.

Picrel is a particularly extreme example. But it's typical of right wing propaganda.
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 No.310510

Who cares about their psychology, man? Žižek was right that nationalism is the promise of obscene enjoyment, but caring about their psychology is liberal crap. They’re the petty bourgeois embracing reaction. That’s all that’s relevant. What they’re like as individuals isn’t useful at all.
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 No.310511

>>310503
What else do you think /pol/ uyghurs are doing all day they just spend hours looking at stories where a black person killed a white person to get mad. It's like me spending my free time looking at stories where capitalists have treated their workers poorly very strange "people".
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 No.310522

Why does the right always type like they're trying to intimidate someone? I barely even feel any sense of joy from them anymore outside of the /tv/ buckbreaking fools.
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 No.310529

I'm beyond caring about their fantasy stories of how the world works. They're rabid dogs who are too far gone, look at the bloodlust of even converted /pol/yps here and try to tell me it isn't a warped ideology.
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 No.310531

>>310510
it's not about their personal psychology. It's important to understand the methods of enemy propaganda and why it's so effective.
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 No.310533

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>>310503

You're right anon, psychological research has shown that socially conservative people have a higher disgust reaction. For all their claims of being "redpilled", basically their whole ideology is a giant rationalization for inarticulable resentments, grievances, and knee jerk disgust responses they have, but are too intellectually lazy to examine. What they really mean by "red pilled" is that they heard something "politically correct" that went against their ingrained beliefs and then found something that went against it and were finally able to say "see! I knew it was bullshit"! the /pol/ mentality maps very closely onto that of the conspiracist who thinks they are ultra skeptical because they reject "mainstream" conclusions, and that everyone else is a sheep, while in reality they are actually the most gullible and the least skeptical of all.
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 No.310542

>>310531
Propaganda raises their consciousness and may inspire individuals, but how they act as a mass movement extends past this individual character. The propaganda, furthermore, works because of their class characteristics. The fact that they’re PB or even PMC is what makes this their button to press. At least with the whole illegal immigration shit.
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 No.310544

It's interesting to make the analysis here of comparing the "race traitor" with the class cuck, because from talking to socialists irl and with anons here I don't think I've ever seen socialists hate in such a psychopathic and perverse way the class cuck as to how /pol/ hates "race traitors". Is there a certain dislike? Yes, of course there is. I think it's far more frustrating dealing with a class cuck than dealing with, say a socdem. And when I mean class cuck I mean a worker, obviously, particularly cucked by capitalism due to his own personal politics (lolbert, any type of rightwing really, all about muh private property and entrepreneurship while working a minimum wage job) and of course his relation to the ruling class. Like I said, there is a certain level of (understandable) dislike towards them.

However, for that same reason, is why it's so valuable for the class cuck to turn towards class consciousness. Unless you were literally born a communist, chances are at some point in your life, you were a class cuck. These people don't know what you know now, however there was a point when you were in their same position. Even if not full on "temporarily frustrated millionaire", you probably believed the same anti-communist propaganda he currently believes. However the /pol/fag is different. The /pol/fag seems to not be interested in the slightest about converting the "race traitors". He wishes they would all be exterminated in the most painful way possible, and holds absolute hatred towards them.

It's particularly ironic and contradictory because most white people are not white nationalists, so they castrate their own movement themselves by excluding them in this manner. They're limiting themselves to essentially already rightwingers and white rightwingers only. But it goes to show the massive differences between communists and the /pol/fag, the latter, despite preaching all day about their race and how they love and want to protect their people seem to only care about those who already align with their beliefs. Everyone else (even moreso if you're a white woman, as they pedestalize them as pure and to be the bearers of the future of their race) is treated with the most extreme animosity, and can't be redeemed in their eyes. This mentality is completely uncompatible with communism and spreading the mass movement if we were to treat class cucks the same way. That's the difference between us and the /pol/fag.
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 No.310546

So it’s kinda funny that amidst this psychotic rant is the notion that immigrants are somehow supposed to be woke or leftist? Like what is even the point in typing this shit out? I could easily mention how the Nazis were responsible for killing more of their fellow “aryans” than anyone else in history, how they raped and slaughtered entire families of whites, how they didn’t only brutalize le slavic untermensch but would also do shit like hang an entire French town because there was a resistance cell nearby. One immigrant committing this vicious crime against one white girl is nothing compared to the crimes the Nazis committed against the literal millions of Europeans they supposedly sought to “protect” from communism.
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 No.310555

>>310544
> It's interesting to make the analysis here of comparing the "race traitor" with the class cuck, because from talking to socialists irl and with anons here I don't think I've ever seen socialists hate in such a psychopathic and perverse way the class cuck as to how /pol/ hates "race traitors".
You haven’t spoken to enough communists then, my mindset is incredibly psychopathic, violent, and merciless towards rightoids especially but even neoliberal psychopaths to a degree. There are 100% completely brutal and ruthless leftists out there. The thing is, leftists are still always focusing their ruthlessness and aggression towards people that actually hold power in society and are usually so ruthless and aggressive because leftists have a fierce sense of justice and know the right wing and their rich masters would happily kill us like dogs if we ever gained any power; whereas rightoids mostly fantasize about savagely killing people who are weak and powerless.
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 No.310557

>>310546
These people likely don’t even worship nazis but have some other “totem” of nativism. Because their shitty nationalism can’t have international solidarity with muh based proud europeanz or whatnot.
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 No.310562

>>310557
Either way whites have slaughtered more whites than any other people in history so whatever they “believe” in is nonsense. There is no white identity, even the US couldn’t hold it together and had a massive civil war after existing for less than a century.
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 No.310563

>>310555
Definitely have talked with more than a few and no, none of them are this bad. They're like that with business owners, unironic fascists (we have a lot where I'm from), etc but with the person I'm describing not at all. And you shouldn't eithe by the way, that mentality is incompatible with communism.
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 No.310567

>>310555
No you are not. The violence of the left is instrumental or even just retaliatory. The people bitching about nuns and priests or whatever getting liquidated in Catalonia, for example, don’t seem to recognize that these clergy people were the supporters of rightists who inflicted very real violence on the poor.

Leftist movements rarely have people who’re into violence for the sake of just punishing the bad people.
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 No.310570

>>310546
You know what I love about today? The Soviets are gone communism is essentially "dead" as a competing ideology and so these uyghas have nowhere to throw the blame of the deteriorating conditions today except to some non existent spectre. But yes communism is a ever persistent spectre but communism as a revolution against the current state of things.

These people who exist in this contradictory state of hating the current corporatized world while also wanting to preserve the system that built this world is amazing to see. In the end they just hate that their futures aren't secure but the ruling class is because they are smarter, stronger and more politically protected than they are and so all they can do is try to blame it on the elusive joo or "Communism". It's funny as hell and it's proof of the "what zero theory does to a mfer".

I don't have to doomer cope because I'm already aware of what's going on and the solution to solve it.
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 No.310582

>>310570
> These people who exist in this contradictory state of hating the current corporatized world while also wanting to preserve the system that built this world is amazing to see
My father is such a person
Part of me believes that burger ideology encourages a massive dose of “protagonist syndrome” in the people of this country, ESPECIALLY classcucks.
Their struggle is essentially thus; since they are the “main characters” of the world in their mind, capitalism should be an amazing experience for them since they are smart and special and would succeed in “real” capitalism, therefore what they live under is fake capitalism because real capitalism is good and they would have wealth and prestige in “real” capitalism
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 No.310598

Someone post the Zizek video
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 No.310600

>>310582
not to sound like a radlib but how much of this is just white male entitlement and spooks leftover from days gone by that says every white guy is basically the captain kirk of his own ship and gets to boss everyone around just like america gets to boss the world around
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 No.310607

>>310600
This is radlib as hell. What is fucking “whiteness” except the delusion of being the “winner” of bourgeois society, but as a genetic predestiny?
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 No.310616

>>310600
Well my dad is a black dude so it isn’t just white people being bitter
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 No.310621

I think political scientists have said that conservatives often display greater "avoidance" behavior to things that seem novel and have stronger disgust reactions.

I was scanning a paper recently from a political scientist who studied people's personality traits in China and correlated that with political views, and it was interesting because this academic described the very general left/right divide (although there are lots of variations and subcategories) as between the conservative Left and liberal Right. The conservative Left are much more pro-CCP and believe that socialism is better than capitalism, but have a value structure that, in some ways, mirrors that of American conservatives. They're more socially conservative, more authoritarian, more likely to believe in order and security, and they're more traditional, patriotic, nationalist.

There are some vast differences though. Different cultural values to protect, and none of the same debates over social issues like gay rights and abortion.

And they don't tend to display this kind of disgust / avoidance behavior that the American conservatives do, nor "fear of death," which is apparently a characteristic of the American right. Also, the Chinese conservative Left considers economic fairness to be important, which is not the case for the American conservative Right. The Chinese conservative Left does display some avoidance behavior though, but it's in terms of "social/cultural ideology," whatever that means. Meanwhile, the liberal Right were more likely to say they prefer foreign brands, but less likely to buy them.

It's very interesting. It's a long paper and I need to read it in more detail and maybe post about it. But I don't think people are hardwired this way. I can imagine that if we were suddenly propelled into power, a bunch of us would suddenly become "conservatives" in a sense, maybe, but in a different sense than we'd think of American conservatives.

>Of 21 hypotheses, nine received clear support from our results, four received partial support, three were directly contradicted, and five received no support. Among epistemic traits, H1, that conscientiousness would be higher on the Left, and openness, extraversion, neuroticism, and agreeableness would be higher on the Right, received partial support. Conscientiousness and leftwing ideology evinced the strongest relationship, but openness and agreeableness were also associated with the Left. H2, that cognitive reflection would be higher on the Right, was directly contradicted by the results. Cognitive reflection was higher on the Left, and intuitive answers were more common on the Right. H3, that dogmatism would be higher on the Left, was partially supported: only social/cultural ideology evinced the expected relationship with dogmatism. Overall, there was a weak, marginally significant relationship with rightwing ideology, driven by a significant relationship with rightwing political ideology. H4, that need for structure would be higher on the Left, was supported by the results. H5, that bullshit receptivity would be higher on the Left, was also supported. Need for cognition (H6), which an a priori power analysis indicated would require double and triple our sample size for 80% and 95% power, respectively, received no support from the non-significant findings. H7 and H8, that intolerance of ambiguity and need for cognitive closure, respectively, would be higher on the Left, were supported.


>Among existential traits, H9 and H10, that system justification tendency and authoritarianism would be higher on the Left, respectively, were supported by the results. However, H11 and H12, that threat and disgust sensitivity and fear of death, respectively, would be higher on the Left, received no support. (Our a priori power analysis indicated that we had less than 80% power to detect the effect of threat sensitivity with our sample size.)


>Among relational traits, H13, that social dominance orientation would be higher on the Left, was contradicted by the results: SDO was higher on the Right in China, as it is in Western countries. H14, that a preference for cohesive, tight groups would be higher on the Left, received no support. H15, that anxious and avoidant attachment would be higher on the Left, was directly contradicted by the results: instead, both were significantly higher on the Right, except on social/cultural ideology, where they were related to the conservative Left. H16, that power ladder rankings of socioeconomic status would be higher on the Left, was also supported by the results.


>H17, that those further to the liberal Right would be higher in “moral progressivism” – the difference between the importance of care and fairness, and that of loyalty, authority, and purity – was supported. Unexpectedly, the conservative Left does not fit the moral foundations profile of the Western Right: they are higher on the three “binding” foundations, but also on one of the “individuating” foundations, fairness. H18, that selective exposure would be higher among the conservative Left, was not supported; self-reported desires to learn about and try to understand “the other side” did not vary by ideology. We also found, perhaps unsurprisingly, that those reporting more attention to political news tended toward the conservative Left. H19, that those on the liberal Right would be more likely to think of “equality” as political rather than economic, and to believe that a perfectly free market would reduce inequality, was supported.


>H20, that the self-transcendence and openness to change values would be more important to the Right, and the conservation and self-enhancement values would be more important on the Left, received partial support. Composite measurements of self-enhancement values minus self-transcendence values, and conservation values minus openness values, reveal that the Right tends to endorse self-transcendence values more than self-enhancement values , as expected, but the Left tends to endorse openness values more than conservation values, contrary to expectations. The conservation vs. openness result was driven by the greater importance of hedonism and stimulation on the Left and tradition and security on the Right, and the self-enhancement vs. self-transcendence result was driven by the greater importance of universalism and benevolence on the Right and hedonism on the Left (though achievement was weakly associated with the Right). H21 was partially supported: those on the liberal Right reported a lower preference for domestic over foreign brands, but reported less willingness to try new brands.
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 No.310625

>>310600
Of course it is boomer entitlement but that entitlement is itself in a state of contradiction. It cannot reconcile why today sucks and the past was "better". So a mind existing in such a contradictory state must search for a utopian society that has never existed nor will exist.

Think about the history of socialism, the early socialists were utopians and even tried to create harmonic societies and all failed. Their ideas were based on imaginings that they would look for in "historical proofs" of some distant past to prove their socialism to be real and achievable or they would be philanthropists like Robert Owen, literally trying to build a society from scratch that failed.

This is how things exist today, in a state of utopian coping. Marx clarified the struggle and brought science to socialism. We've reverted back to utopianism and only experience and recontextualizing the struggle to modern circumstances can get us out of this utopian rut.
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 No.310629

>>310616
Your dad specifically? What, is mom something else?
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 No.310635

>>310629
My mom is a mutt and we both call ourselves black
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 No.310637

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 No.310643

is leftism/communism really about proving people wrong with logic, though?
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 No.310646

>>310621
Sorry anon, interesting post… but where the fuck do you find these videos? They always have such low viewed counts, what is this shit about? It's not a cult, is it?
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 No.310663

https://boards.4channel.org/tg/thread/79723303
I honestly just think 4channers are just trying to sound smart by being "Trad". it's counter "subversion" born of a desire to sound unique. They have no real fucking ideology considering how much they talk about genshin impact
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 No.310671

>>310646
Hahaha. That's just a pro-CPC account that posts videos from China and they practically have a new one every day so you've probably noticed me flavoring my posts with them when China comes up. I just find it interesting and like to compare / contrast these things to show how contingent these value systems are in different systems.

A lot of recent ones are flash mobs the Communist Party is doing to promote the party. But public dance groups are very common thing there, you'll be walking around in the evening and practically every public park will have groups of people doing dance exercises in unison. They do it in Vietnam too.
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 No.310739

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>>310503
If disgust is a defining motivation of the reactionary right, then why does disgust and hatred seem to motivate so much of the radical left?

On the front page of /leftypol/ right now I see OPs seething with disgust, over Zionists, Americans, "PMCs", Trotskyists, etc. And there's plenty of revenge fantasies on the left…ice pick and gulag jokes abound.
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 No.310743

>>310510
>Who cares about their psychology, man?
A lot of people do. The whole western left turn against the USSR is because of it. It started with Arendt the Banality of Evil and Totalitarianism. More than half of postmodern philosophy is trying to figure out why the working class wants to be dominated by big daddy. You can call all the pomos a bunch of stupid liberals but you still have to answer why the average German worker had a desire for fascism.
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 No.310746

>>310739
>Disgust
None of these things are disgust, they are frustration
Like zionists for instance, by definition they are genocidal, perhaps it is right to be disgusted by genocidal monsters
Americans are by and large totally complacent at best and at worst in full support of their criminal imperialist government, this is frustrating
Trotskyists? Ice pick memes are just that, memes, nobody here actually hates trots because trots are irrelevant
And seething over PMCs is a stupidpol thing
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 No.310747

>>310739
I am mostly motivated by boredom. Liberal societies are boring to me so I want to escape it.
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 No.310763

>>310739
Disgust? Frustration, contempt, horror, indignation, all of those things are true. Plus the fact that it’s in our own self-interest. But disgust? The visceral revulsion at that which is unclean? No, I think not.
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 No.310764

>>310743
> why the average German worker had a desire for fascism
They didn’t, you dumb cuckold. Read Parenti.
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 No.310795

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>>310510
>Žižek was right that nationalism is the promise of obscene enjoyment
Sharing in case someone hasn't seen/saved it
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 No.310796

Ok but take a look at liberal twitter and tell me it is not disgusting
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 No.310798

>>310796
>Looking at things you don’t like to make yourself angry
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 No.310801

>>310764
Partisan fighters were a minority. Give me a page number or a quote.
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 No.310802

>>310796
twitterites would be just as disgusted by you as you are of them. It can't be the basis for a rational politics. It's arbitrary and can be used to convince people towards any ends. You should rely on empathy, compassion, and critical thought. Disgust can easily lead you astray into bad places.
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 No.310877

>>310764
Not the person you responded to, but what book by Parenti do you recommend regarding this subject?
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 No.310884

>>310802
>Twiterites would be disgusted by a white hispanic normal guy

Which is the problem itself, yes
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 No.311036

I had the most enlightening conversation with a black man the other day. We were talking about interracial violence and I brought up the murder of Cannon Hinnant. He said that it was a positive for the black community and it benefits him directly. One less white man to compete with economically, one less white man who might become a cop and kill him or other black people, one less white man who might become a doctor and mistreat black patients, and one less white man who might seduce or rape black women. I agreed and said the same thing about George Floyd and Travon Martin. We weren't even mad at this point. We had dropped all moral pretenses and reached a mutual understanding that we are both just individuals acting in the best interests of our respective races which in turn were both being subjected to the competitive exclusion principle. This man was no lumpen porch monkey either, he graduated cum laude from a respectable HBCU and his father was a black panther. If I was a gambling man I would be comfortable wagering that he was intellectually superior to the thinkers mentioned in theis thread (Žižek and Parenti).
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 No.311038

>>310503
I came to the conclusion that fascist/conservative people get there by being paranoid and distrustful about the world at large. Probably, something has to do with them having childhood-based complex PTSD that almost often comes from some kind of power abuse.

They basically perceive most other people as animals who can't properly control their instincts (projecting much?) without the fear of punishment. Of course, the "savage" foreigners, ethnic minorities and immigrants are especially scary and often beyond salvation in their eyes.

Their propaganda resonates with the people who are *already* traumatized in that way too. This type won't believe in socialist ideas because HOOOMAN NATURE and internalized social Darwinism, so there's no much we can do about it.

That's why mutual aid is important: in our atomized and paranoid society, only building trustful social connection can save the people who are on the edge. But those who were deeply traumatized are basically lost.
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 No.311048

>>311038
> only building trustful social connection can save the people who are on the edge.
Hard to build trust with people who are biologically/culturally different from you. A Somali or Pakistani man isn't going to want to have any part of mutual aid with whites. He is going to want to help his own people first and foremost and no amount of social conditioning will break this, you will not de-radicalize him. He will pick up a rifle and fight like a Myrmidon if his daughters get seduced by white men.
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 No.311056

>>311048
uh really? You come off as a man who is trying to sound profound when nothing you said is based on anything outside of wishful thinking. It's romantic to believe that you can inherently trust a white man, a person of your own skin color but you frankly can't trust anybody these days. If you think that racial solidarity is a real thing, well I got a bridge to sell ya.
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 No.311060

>>311048
> A Somali or Pakistani man isn't going to want to have any part of mutual aid with whites.
Go outside retard
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 No.311062

>>310801
And the communists who went toe to toe with nazi street gangs in the 20’s? The other workers’ movements? What the fuck are you on about?
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 No.311064

>>311048
Is this the “I fucked indian bitches” anon?

Jesus christ, did you get lost on your way to pornhub? Is that why you’re back here?
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 No.311067

>>311056
Of course there are bad people within your own community, but people are more likely to empathize with their won people. Try building mutual aid with these people. "Kill everything white in sight"
https://twitter.com/pine_tree_riots/status/1398811689223479298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1398812218477608961%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fen-volve.com%2F2021%2F05%2F31%2Fwatch-armed-black-militia-descends-on-tulsa-and-promise-to-kill-everything-white-in-sight%2F

>>311060
If you think a Somali or Pakistani would be fine with you dating his daughter you need your head examined
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 No.311068

>>311036
you are both are ears-deep into the US idpol race war
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 No.311069

>>311048
>A Somali or Pakistani man isn't going to want to have any part of mutual aid with whites.

I swear to fucking god you dweebs must be projecting or something because I genuinely can't imagine how you get to being a functional adult and still think like this. I worked in various shitty jobs for a long time and had zero problems engaging in "mutual" efforts with people of different "races" and I'm not even white, so somehow already I must be incapable of any collective effort.

The funniest part is I know a rightoid in person who thinks like this and he is just insufferable, of course no one wants to engage in "solidarity" with someone who looks at you as inferior and calls you slurs under his breath
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 No.311070

>>311036
>And everyone stood up and clapped
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 No.311071

>>311062
That’s what I find hilarious. Fascists actually copied their brigades in the way the red brigades were styled. So fascist aesthetic is original communist aesthetic.
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 No.311073

>>311068
We're up to the organ of benevolence into the competitive exclusion principle
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 No.311074

>>311048
have you tried collaborating with non-White people at any point of your life?
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 No.311076

>>311038
>childhood-based complex PTSD that almost often comes from some kind of power abuse

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/
>► Political liberalism and conservatism were correlated with brain structure ► Liberalism was associated with the gray matter volume of anterior cingulate cortex ► Conservatism was associated with increased right amygdala size ► Results offer possible accounts for cognitive styles of liberals and conservatives

>We speculate that the association of gray matter volume of the amygdala and anterior cingulate cortex with political attitudes that we observed may reflect emotional and cognitive traits of individuals that influence their inclination to certain political orientations. For example, our findings are consistent with the proposal that political orientation is associated with psychological processes for managing fear and uncertainty [1, 10]. The amygdala has many functions, including fear processing [11]. Individuals with a large amygdala are more sensitive to fear [12], which, taken together with our findings, might suggest the testable hypothesis that individuals with larger amygdala are more inclined to integrate conservative views into their belief system. Similarly, it is striking that conservatives are more sensitive to disgust [13, 14], and the insula is involved in the feeling of disgust [15]. On the other hand, our finding of an association between anterior cingulate cortex volume and political attitudes may be linked with tolerance to uncertainty. One of the functions of the anterior cingulate cortex is to monitor uncertainty [16, 17] and conflicts [18]. Thus, it is conceivable that individuals with a larger ACC have a higher capacity to tolerate uncertainty and conflicts



https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2737194
Childhood Maltreatment and Amygdala Threat Reactivity in Young Adults

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4635964/
Long-term consequences of childhood maltreatment: Altered amygdala functional connectivity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6870128/
Childhood maltreatment is associated with an automatic negative emotion processing bias in the amygdala
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 No.311078

>>311073
>organ of benevolence
You need to try NoFap for at least a week, jesus h.
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 No.311082

>>311071
Fascism is mass politics of the petty bourgeois. That’s why it’s revolutionary in form but reactionary in content.
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 No.311083

>>311069
> I worked in various shitty jobs for a long time and had zero problems engaging in "mutual" efforts with people of different "races"
So it was required of your job that you needed to avoid starvation and therefore coercive? And that basically answers >>311074
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 No.311087

>>311078
Organ of benevolence is the crown of your head.
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 No.311088

>>311062
I'm on about the people who went to work everyday with concentration camps outside their towns. Are you trying to suggest that most people were commies in 1940s Germany? Do you think all the foaming at the mouth psychos in America today are secret reds and wouldn't be fine with gunning down everyone who disagrees with them?
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 No.311089

>>311088
>What is state repression
You’d be the same person going to work, tough guy. and I’s be one murdered in a camp.
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 No.311092

>>311083
Literally all work is coercive to some degree and is about avoiding starvation. That’s what it means to be a proletarian.
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 No.311101

>>311089
Supposing thats true, why is that? Does it have something to do with psychology or are you just jumping into the conversation half way? Still waiting for a link to Parenti saying most Germans weren't Nazi. >>310764 >>310510 You can link someone else if you prefer.
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 No.311102

>>311092
So if there's no neolib bourgeoisie forcing different people together what's going to stop them from self segregating into their own self sufficient communities?
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 No.311103

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>>311048
Travel the world. Learn another language. Talk to people from different cultures than yours. There are nationalist fuckers like you everywhere, but there are also people who want peace, and love between diverse peoples, everywhere. One thing I learned from learning esperanto, is that solidarity between people who are different, is entirely possible. More than possible, thanks to the direction of history, it's inevitable. You better learn to trust and exist in solidarity with people who don't look like you. It's not a fantasy, it's just something that humans are capable of.
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 No.311105

>>311083
So under what pretense does one organize mutual aid? Not starving could be an issue even outside the confines of wage labor, so it's not like that "coercive" force is unique. Even then, it still proves that people of different "races" can co-operate.
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 No.311108

>>311083
no that doesn't answer shit because I asked you and not the other anon

you are projecting and probably a burger

as a citizen of multi-ethnic country called russian federation, I declare you a sheltered dweeb and prescribe you to go outside
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 No.311113

>>311102
Their interpersonal relationships with one another? their common class identity and worker solidarity? The fact they both like football?

Why do I care if they don’t intermarry? They can still cooperate with one another for their mutual survival.
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 No.311115

>>311105
>even then, it still proves that people of different "races" can co-operate.
Of course they can if there's something forcing them, but if the current status quo collapses there won't be an external force to emulsify us
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 No.311116

>>311108
Не говори этому кексу, что там в России считают кавказцев за “черными”.
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 No.311120

>>311102
what's going to stop them from not doing that? If several groups of people are together in the same place with a shared history, geography, and political structure, they're going to form a shared culture, not magically regress back to old cultural boundaries which were formed in the first place by economic and geographic factors. This narrative makes no sense. The neoliberal government is forcing people to NOT be segregated? They literally did the opposite for almost a century.
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 No.311121

>>311115
>Human beings can’t depend on their own rational self-interest to cooperate with one another
I Shiggy Diggy
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 No.311125

>>311102
If this whole self-segregation argument held water there would be no need for segregation to be enforced by law like it was in the past
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 No.311127

>>311115
do you actually believe this? This is odd, even for a /pol/tard
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 No.311132

>>311113
>Why do I care if they don’t intermarry?
Because that's a crack that will only grow wider until it escalates into conflict. Sure you can form fake superficial bondsm, but society would just tend to Balkanization as people continue to draw lines in the sand around the fact that "hey, we can work together, we can take the train together, vote together, Hell, even send our kids to the same schools – but your son is not touching my daughter, ever". So I guess the options are deracination, Balkanization, or right-wing reaction.
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 No.311134

>>311125
It was needed to avoid violence.
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 No.311135

>>311115
There's no guarantee that any collaborative efforts will be organized by race in the event of collapse or any calamity that strains the ability of the state to enforce "racial solidarity". There are plenty of Ukrainians and other groups during the invasion of the USSR who betrayed their "race" and sold out their people to Nazis. That's also not to mention civil war situations such as in Syria, where both ISIS and the YPG had people of different "races" volunteering their lives for a cause that went beyond any kind of ethnic solidarity.
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 No.311136

>>311134
the enforcement of that law was its own form of violence
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 No.311139

>>311132
can you name a time in history this has ever actually happened as a result of cultural mixing? I know of many examples of the opposite occurring (since cultural and "racial" mixing has happened continuously for thousands of years) but don't recall this ever happening without being pushed by a powerful outside force.
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 No.311141

>>311134
>Whitoids chimp out to make sure that the blacks don’t get uppity
You ever heard of bacon’s rebellion?
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 No.311145

>>311116
считают они может и считают, но без коллаборации вся бы эта махина не работала

ну и с кавказцами трения более на специфической культурной почве, с татарами или якутами таких нету
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 No.311146

>>311132
Oh my god, why is it always about sex to you?

So WHAT? You can still day “no intermarrying” and work together to make sure that resources and goods and services are produced and distributed so that you both can continue surviving and having children, even not with each other.

And what, do the sons and daughters not have a say? I can get along well with Russian jews and I’m a fucking Indian. Speaking russian’s helpful, to say the least, but you can form kinship with people different from you.
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 No.311147

>>311115
you know that Latin America exists and people are colored very differently there? and they still cooperate?

but your idpol'd burger brain see everything in RACE RACE RACE terms
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 No.311151

>>311145
Имеет смысл. Я просто так пошутил, потому, что на английском “caucasian” значит “белый”, либо “европеоид”.
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 No.311152

>>311132
this shit is hugely ahistorical and you're making shit up to confirm your worldview
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 No.311156

>>311151
а лол, да, я когда английский учил тоже долго не мог понять почему белые вдруг Caucasians – они ж эти самые, с гор!
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 No.311163

>>311152
this is the most succint takedown in the thread.
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 No.311170

>>311139
The Scythian bastard wars is one
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 No.311180

File: 1623375888307.png (1.48 MB, 1300x1053, ClipboardImage.png)

Wow idpol retards derailing another thread.
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 No.311184

>>311156
Вправду хочешь узнать, нахрена таким называются на английском? Потому, что так названные расовые ученые считали черкесов самым красивым народом мира. И вот, европеоиды—такие красавцы, как черкесы!
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 No.311189

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>>311083
>So it was required of your job that you needed to avoid starvation and therefore coercive?
Have you ever had a job
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 No.311196

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It's really amazing the caliber of reactionaries we attract here. People have to work together… to survive. Yes that's how civilization works. I suppose you can just get by paying other people to make aluminum alloys or something so you don't have to work and not, therefore, be coerced according to a formula from an Ayn Rand novel, but people do have to work together or they'll starve.
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 No.311208

>>311103
prime Marjane Satrapi was such a classic beauty. Monica Bellucci-tier facial aesthetics
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 No.311215

>>311103
One of the few times I won’t shit on esperanto. But learn russian. Or spanish. Or hindi or bengali.
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 No.311278

>>311189
>>311196
>coach mcguirk avatarfag
kek based
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 No.311349

>>311278
Even better when you read in H Jon Benjamin's voice.
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 No.311354

>>311349
Yeah I do that lel, really ties it all together
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 No.311364

>>311170
The bastard wars had nothing to do with race, and more to do with the fact that their slaves were literally boning their wives and having kids.
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 No.311370

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>>311134
>"People self-segregate naturally when left to their own devices!"
<Then why were segregation laws needed?
>"Because people weren't self-segregating and the government had to break them up to prevent violence"
Which fucking is it you idiot?
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 No.311400

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>>311170
>The Scythian bastard wars

>>311364
>The bastard wars had nothing to do with race, and more to do with the fact that their slaves were literally boning their wives and having kids.

That's fucking hot as fuck ngl. I hope somebody makes an NTR hentai about it, for history purposes ofc, so that us younger generations can, uh, learn more about history…of Classical Antiquity… yeah…
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 No.311431

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>>311400
you better be self inserting as the slave anon. You're not a literal ruling class cuckold are you?
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 No.311441

>>310607
nta but they never said anything about "whiteness," that type of chauvinism exists in many societies.
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 No.311444

>>311184
TIL european scientists thought egyptian ruling class were the most beautiful people
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 No.311447

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>>311132
What absolute rubbish! Even in the distant past a very long time ago Asian hunter men were marrying European women to give rise to the Finns, Hungarians and Uralics

>>311444
Circassians I think.
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 No.311454

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>>311444
Do you mean in looks or as people? Egypt went through many sets of the same class, they typically looked good before the dynasty stagnated due to inbreeding and letting the whole God on earth thing get to their heads. This is assuming the statues and art aren't complete fabrications. Assuming these busts are close to reality I would Hatsheput or Nefertiti
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 No.311492

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>>311431
>not self inserting as the bastard son of the slave and Scythian woman, who flees the Scythian yurt-tent settlements with his mom when his slave father is killed in the massacre inflicted by the Scythian men (including his mom's Scythian ruling class husband) returning from the 28 year Scythia-Persian Wars
>the bastard son who flees northward with his Scythian mom away from the bloodshed on the central Asian steppes into the Urals, where they are forced to set up camp in a remote forest bc they need to pitch up the yurt-tent as soon as possible before the long, brutal sub-zero winter arrives, and his mom keeps reminding him that in order for them to survive he must shoulder his responsibilities as the "man of the yurt/tent", they are both lonely and the story turns into… dare I say it… momcest
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 No.311501

>>311454
Obviously they were idealized in their statues that's not too much to imagine. But Egypt I think had a diverse amount of skin colors which fits the region, the Mediterranean and such. There are frescos or whatever it's called of Roman citizens that have dark curly hair and dark eyes. The Egyptian empire itself went through a changing ruling class from natives to the Greeks I think. They all essentially were mixing.
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 No.311512

>>311501
>Obviously they were idealized in their statues
I mean they probably had fucked up teeth and acne scars but I assume the general facial features are real
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 No.311552

>It can be hard to convince people of things that go directly against logic, and against evidence. But with the power of disgust you can overpower people's minds to the point where logic doesn't even have a chance.
That's unironically a good thing. The problem with logical thinking is that the human mind is not capable of modeling something so complex as the inner workings of society, morality or nature without error or bias. This inevitably leads to absurd and anti-human believes in their final conclusion after dozens of smaller mistake accumulate. In contrast a disgust response is the result of evolutionary pressures going through countless iterations of trial and error until we end up with an emotion that "just works". It was shaped to assist us by forces that are far more beautiful and capable than human logic.
>They designate the Other as Disgusting.
Not how it works. The things liberals stand for ARE disgusting and this is easily verifiable. Make someone drunk (close to a primal state without "logic"), show them pictures of homos, interaical couples or transhumanists and they will wince in disgust.
>>310533
>basically their whole ideology is a giant rationalization for inarticulable resentments, grievances, and knee jerk disgust responses they have, but are too intellectually lazy to examine
The ultimate cause is natural selection as with everything else.
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 No.311678

File: 1623395047927.gif (1.15 MB, 201x177, real cat.gif)

>>311552
>"the human mind is not capable of modeling something so complex as the inner workings of society"
>literally what is science
oh nonono but then get a hold of this
>proceeds to make a completely imaginary model that is incoherent even in a vacuum by implying a human influenced by artificial substances is representative of a primal/natural state
Behold, the Arch-Pseud.
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 No.311695

>>311552
>he ultimate cause is natural selection as with everything else
>That's unironically a good thing. The problem with logical thinking is that the human mind is not capable of modeling something so complex as the inner workings of society, morality or nature without error or bias. This inevitably leads to absurd and anti-human believes in their final conclusion after dozens of smaller mistake accumulate. In contrast a disgust response is the result of evolutionary pressures going through countless iterations of trial and error until we end up with an emotion that "just works". It was shaped to assist us by forces that are far more beautiful and capable than human logic.
>Not how it works. The things liberals stand for ARE disgusting and this is easily verifiable. Make someone drunk (close to a primal state without "logic"), show them pictures of homos, interaical couples or transhumanists and they will wince in disgus

That's just silly pseudery, yes the instincts are useful, but human reason is far more powerful at discovering the actual state of things. The application of of instincts lead to the process you describe above, for example Aristotle and Plato declaring that bodies weight was proportional to their speed and that light came from the eye, their reliance on instincts instead of experimentation was rubbish.
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 No.311735

>>311552
>See, you cannot make someone logically despise innocuous shit like a couple where each partner is a different skin color, or a same sex couple, or some trans person; no, you need to drug them and then drudge up reactionary honkie spooks they absorbed from the undercurrent of US society
Does it disgust you when I say, were it up to me, I would have your entire family shot and let you live for at least a week before letting you join them?

Fucking dog
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 No.311736

>>311678
>literally what is science
A word bugmen throw at people to win debate points.
>>311695
>human reason is far more powerful at discovering the actual state of things
There are countless mutually exclusive ideas about every single thing you can think of and most of our objective body of knowledge does not stem from the average mind but once-in-a-century geniuses. And let's not forget the various "illogical" mental shortcuts humans use to conserve their energy from useless thinking.In contrast instincts usually work just fine.
>their reliance on instincts instead of experimentation was rubbish
Yes, but this example is conflating different fields. It's rather obvious that instincts will approach physics with the goal of being "good enough".
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 No.311753

>>311735
>See, you cannot make someone logically despise innocuous shit like a couple where each partner is a different skin color, or a same sex couple, or some trans person;
You can, actually. I could list various statistics for each category that this shit doesn't work, is full of (mental) disease or plain retarded. It's just not necessary because everyone already knows it deep down.
>no, you need to drug them and then drudge up reactionary honkie spooks
i.e to illicit a more honest response by reducing their desire for social conformity through getting them drunk
>Does it disgust you when I say, were it up to me, I would have your entire family shot and let you live for at least a week before letting you join them?
The TV told you to celebrate D I V E R S I T Y and your bugmen genetics weren't good enough to resist the indoctrination. You are represent nothing but decay and mental illness.
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 No.311756

>>311753
Shut up virgin
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 No.311757

>>311756
Ok bugmen.
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 No.311760

>>311552
>Fascist fails to the Is-Ought Fallacy
>Also has a purely adaptavist view of evolution and doesn't understand what spandrels are
Why does this keep happening? Also, your logic is full of holes. If humans are "not capable of modeling something so complex as the inner workings of society, morality or nature without error or bias", how are they supposed to model something as long standing as evolution, or even begin to understand the complexity of the human brain. You are conceding that you yourself cannot actually understand even the conceptualization of what you call "instinct", because the very study of "instinct" must be inherently flawed, as the very concept is more complex then what humans can sufficiently manage. It just seems like you are trying to have your cake and eat it to, where you can try and employ certain science you find valid, while trying to dismiss the rest as inherently error ridden due to a human element, ignoring that what you utilize has a human element to it too.
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 No.311762

>>311753
>The TV told you to celebrate D I V E R S I T Y and your bugmen genetics weren't good enough to resist the indoctrination. You are represent nothing but decay and mental illness.
But this contradicts your entire premise. There's nothing intherently wrong in accepting the diversity, because they were allegedly predisposed towards accepting it in the first place. It can't also be seen as decay or a mental illness, because you have no actual basis for such things except for appealing to an alleged natural state you yourself concede to not being able to understand, and which you cannot judge but subjectively.
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 No.311763

>>311736
>A word bugmen throw at people to win debate points.

Bruh your ad homineming hard now, you've admitted that fascism is irrational but now are saying trust your instincts.

>There are countless mutually exclusive ideas about every single thing you can think of and most of our objective body of knowledge does not stem from the average mind but once-in-a-century geniuses. And let's not forget the various "illogical" mental shortcuts humans use to conserve their energy from useless thinking.In contrast instincts usually work just fine.


What rubbish! most of the progress in human knowledge comes from the millions of obscure working scientists publishing their papers and building up a body of knowledge. For the vast majority of human history being Gay was thought to be environmental but it was actually genetic. Instincts were useful, but they lead to beastaliaty also like all the mass rapes of old, and that's what Fascism as its core is a return to beastality as shown by Nazi Germany, a rejection of humanity.
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 No.311767

>Fascists regressing to Descartes level "Brian in a Jar" arguments
Good time to read Hegel's critiques.
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 No.311772

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>To be a nazi you either have to have such a NON-Neurotypical brain or be constantly so drunk or drugged up that your mind is able to simulate being so.
Actually historically accurate nazianon.
<Drunk Rapist
<Heroin addict
<Autist.
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 No.311782

>>311760
>has a purely adaptavist view of evolution and doesn't understand what spandrels are
The default assumption is that any expression is on-net advantageous. It sure is strange that the same people you represent are complete fuck-ups, suicidal and mutilate themselves, but it us who believes in "spandrels".
>If humans are "not capable of modeling something so complex as the inner workings of society, morality or nature without error or bias", how are they supposed to model something as long standing as evolution
Evolution was discovered by outstanding individuals and rigorously verified. You can think of my argument like this: "good logic > good instincts > bad logic > bad instincts".
>>311762
>There's nothing intherently wrong in accepting the diversity, because they were allegedly predisposed towards accepting it in the first place.
For bugmen? Yes. For normal people? No.
>>311763
>you've admitted that fascism is irrational but now are saying trust your instincts.
You are fetishizing rationality as something it was never meant to be.
>most of the progress in human knowledge comes from the millions of obscure working scientists publishing their papers and building up a body of knowledge
It wasn't, actually.
>>311772
If the defining characteristic of nazis is "is disgusted by [degeneracy]" than more than 99.999% of all humans throughout history are nazis. Have you ever wondered why just about everyone ever wants to have nothing to do with your people?
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 No.311788

>>310503
what the fuck has to be in a person's head to type that shit out
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 No.311789

>>311036
two_retards_shaking_hands.jpeg
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 No.311793

>>311782
>Evolution was discovered by outstanding individuals and rigorously verified. You can think of my argument like this
Darwin wasn’t even a biologist and Mendel was a fucking priest. Humanity’s capacity for reason isn’t as exceptional as you think.
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 No.311794

>>311782
>You are fetishizing rationality as something it was never meant to be.

It is superior to base instincts in finding what the state of things is.

>It wasn't, actually.


Rubbish, the leader of the Manhattan project and later chief of Science in the USA itself wrote a book setting down that incremental science led to the most breakthroughs.
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 No.311796

>>311036
And that black person’s name? Martin Luther King!
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 No.311797

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>>311794
>>311793
>chief of Science in the USA itself wrote a book
>Darwin wasn’t even a biologist
>Mendel was a fucking priest
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 No.311803

>>311797
Not an argument. Even Newton himself admitted to standing on the shoulders of giants.

Science does progress incrementally, not by exceptionally beings.
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 No.311804

>>311803
>Newton himself admitted to standing on the shoulders of giants
By which he meant other geniuses. Not a fucking collection of rice farmers struggling with elementary math.
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 No.311810

>>311804
No but a collection of largely obscure scientists.
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 No.311812

>>311804
The people that Newton was referring to were his peers that helped pushed his research. None of them were particularly genius in their own regards.

Newton like any other scientists needed a community behind him to supply him with information and knowledge for him to build upon. Darwin simply made observations travelling around the world and tried to rationalize it, but it was Mendels playing around with fucking peas that provided the mechanism for his theory.
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 No.311813

>>311810
Take a look at the largely obscure scientists we have today. Their work is shit, doesn't get cited or read and can't be replicated even by themselves. And historically the majority of scientific discoveries was made by a handful of northern europeans after 1600.
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 No.311815

>>311804
Hitler and Muscollini stood on the shoulders of the lumpen workers and it got them into high places.
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 No.311817

>>311815
Whether fascists are supported by lumpens or petite bourgeoisie changes by the minute, huh?
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 No.311821

>>311813
Off the top of my head, you think the first visual discovery of a black hole, gene therapy and graphene technologies to not be major discoveries?
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 No.311832

>>311782
>The default assumption is that any expression is on-net advantageous. It sure is strange that the same people you represent are complete fuck-ups, suicidal and mutilate themselves, but it us who believes in "spandrels".
No, it's not. Thats an adaptavist view, which leads to all kinds of issues realting to the actual empirics of research into evolution. There's no reason to assume something is an adaptation without actual evidence for it being such. I never said you believed in spandrel, do you even know what spandrels are? It deals with a byproduct vs an adaptation.
>Evolution was discovered by outstanding individuals and rigorously verified. You can think of my argument like this: "good logic > good instincts > bad logic > bad instincts".
Anon, that's fucking retarded. You already conceded before that such things cannot be sufficiently modeled or sufficiently understood because humans inherently will make errors with it, especially for things with any degree of complexity. Stating "exceptional people" is a cop out, because it not only makes your intial argument weaker, but it neglects the fact that very minute the ideas leave the person, they are subject to others. Even the person themselves were subject to society before conceptualizing the study into a certain area of science. You have no actual framework or basis to determine the "good instincts" from the "bad instincts", the whole premise of "good and bad" instincts falls to Hume's laws save for if you are willing to admit that your perception of what you find "good" and "bad" is merely sentimental.
>For bugmen? Yes. For normal people? No.
Again, how are you defining this? It's nonsensical. It's proper for certain people, but not for others, and those people are abnormal, while the others are normal, but if one were to adopt a certain idea, they would become abnormal, despite there not being an empirical set criteria for what is "normal" in this scenario in the first place or why it is "good".
>If the defining characteristic of nazis is "is disgusted by [degeneracy]" than more than 99.999% of all humans throughout history are nazis. Have you ever wondered why just about everyone ever wants to have nothing to do with your people?
NTA, but this is a not argument, because what is "degenerate" has historically been in flux. And most people want nothing to do with you and the people you surround yourself with, so that's even less of an argument. And what do you mean "your" people?
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 No.311834

>>311817
Have you at all read Marx or Engels? It can very well be both.
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 No.311839

>>311813
>Take a look at the largely obscure scientists we have today. Their work is shit, doesn't get cited or read and can't be replicated even by themselves.
Depends on the field. Evopsych, which what you ssem to be trying to employ, has the lowest replication rates if you were wondering.
>And historically the majority of scientific discoveries was made by a handful of northern europeans after 1600.
I must have missed the memo of science starting in 1600 and no discoveries being made before then.
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 No.311844

>>310503
Yeah ok but:
Why would you cut the belly of the girl while you rape her? Running around in the middle of the night with your belly covered in blood… Also, how the fuck did a liberal got near a cornfield? I thought they only lived in cities and twitter. Is this story even real?
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 No.311846

>>311844
Samefagging
Dude this story is real!!! Dude's a psycho and they think he represents spics. Holy shot these people are so retard.
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 No.311853

>>311832
>There's no reason to assume something is an adaptation without actual evidence for it
The fact that an expression survived to this very day as opposed to countless others is already sufficient.
>Anon, that's fucking retarded.
Humans are prone to error and mental shortcuts, whereas instincts provide a more practical approach to life. What i'm saying is very simple: until proven otherwise every train of logic is wrong and every instinct is correct. Evolution or laws of physics were sufficiently proven so i can believe in them while ignoring my instincts. D I V E R S I T Y isn't sufficiently proven so i trust my instincts in believing it's degenerate drivel.
>Again, how are you defining this?
Being a healthy individual with a non-pozzed ideology.
>most people want nothing to do with you and the people you surround yourself with
Says the LGBT rights advocate.
>>311839
>Depends on the field.
It doesn't. The vast majority of researchers in every field are a waste of space.
>I must have missed the memo of science starting in 1600 and no discoveries being made before then.
You're would be too illiterate to identify the memo to begin with.
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 No.311859

>>311853
severe schizophrenics have the instinct to smash their head into the wall and smear shit all over the walls but it doesn't mean it's the correct instinct retard
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 No.311863

>>311859
Yeah, because they are dysfunctional fuck-ups. Of course their instincts are all over the place.
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 No.311865

>>311147
>you know that Latin America exists and people are colored very differently there? and they still cooperate?
You thinking of the same Latin America that I'm thinking of? Because it is far from a good example of a stable society.
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 No.311867

>>311180
I'm just soundly rebuking economic materialism. Of course that;s going to send some ripples through the pond.
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 No.311886

>>311853
>The fact that an expression survived to this very day as opposed to countless others is already sufficient.
It really isn't. All that matters is that it didn't have a given pressure which selected it out. Not everything is inherently an adaptation.
>Humans are prone to error and mental shortcuts, whereas instincts provide a more practical approach to life. What i'm saying is very simple: until proven otherwise every train of logic is wrong and every instinct is correct. Evolution or laws of physics were sufficiently proven so i can believe in them while ignoring my instincts. D I V E R S I T Y isn't sufficiently proven so i trust my instincts in believing it's degenerate drivel.
In what way are instincts themselves not simply an error and mental shortcut? You haven't actually provided evidence that "instincts" as you define them are inherently correct, only that you find them to be "practical". Such practicality has no basis to it however, as what is "practical" is entirely contextual. And how can you emperically prove that every instinct is correct? Moreover, if every train of logic is fundamentally wrong unless proven right, how can you prove anything right to being with? The train of logic to even collect the information to prove something in the first place would be fundamentally wrong in of itself, and so on. Your "instincts" by themselves have no actual proof to them that they are to be trusted. What you're actually just doing is arguing that you have a certain sentiment in regards to a certain topic, but instead of acknowledging it as sentiment, you try and falsely reify it as fact.
>Being a healthy individual with a non-pozzed ideology.
But you haven't actually defined this, because you have no framework to define it, and your one basis for actual valuation is nothing but personal "instinct" which says nothing of any claim of the "good" or "bad" of the matter.
>Says the LGBT rights advocate
I wouldn't say I'm an "advocate", though I certainly have no problem, at least in terms of just acquiring the guarantees afforded to most. Also, this answered nothing of what I stated, it's entirely a cop out. Your main point was to point fingers and insinuate that people don't wish to be around us due to an inherent quality of ideology (with no real basis to this I might add). If you are going to levy this on us, maybe you should then question why practically no one in the modern day wishes to be around those you associate with.
>It doesn't. The vast majority of researchers in every field are a waste of space.
Being sceptical is one thing. Throwing out everything on a hunch is another. Not all science is inherently invalid because of a few performing bad research, and it's why one should read into the research they are citing.
>You're would be too illiterate to identify the memo to begin with.
If we're going by averages, the literacy here is higher then /pol/, especially if "you're" the best it can send.
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 No.311889

>>311881
>Imagine building up such an impotent rage because someone doesn't like gayness or miscegenation? Do you also get hard while fantasizing about killing millions of working class blacks and latinos who also hate race mixing, homosexuality, and transvestites
NTA, but I doubt he would stop being against such things simply because some working class people hold such ideas. Marxism isn't when you infantilize the working class and adopt ideology merely to pander, as if they people incapable of better. And if those people decided to act on them by suppressing other proles, why shouldn't they be opposed?
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 No.311893

>>311867
>rebuking economic materialism
>economic materialism
What exactly are you trying to say here? If you understood what you just said, which I don't think you do, you would understand that you just made a somewhat redundant statement. The majority of economic analyses are materialist, did you instead mean to say historical materialism or dialectical materialism? Or are you not familiar with what those mean either?
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 No.311901

>>311886
Honestly, you should just re-read my posts until you actually understand them. Every point you make is a mischaracterization and i'm not going to repeat myself indefinitely.
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 No.311915

>>311901
>Honestly, you should just re-read my posts until you actually understand them. Every point you make is a mischaracterization and i'm not going to repeat myself indefinitely.
I did read your posts, and it's unempirical and illogical nonsense. You complaining about my arguments being a mischaracterization of your points is nothing more then pure cope from someone unaware of the poverty of his own ideology.
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 No.311919

>>311915
When i say "until proven otherwise every instinct is correct" you ask for "empirical prove that every instinct is correct".
When i say "the majority of researchers in every field are a waste of space" you answer "not all science is inherently invalid".

Spare me your lecture on "cope".
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 No.311923

>>311919
It sounds like you’re coping. Much of what you write is twisting facts to fit a world view or mockery and posturing in place of an actual argument.
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 No.311926

>>311919
>When i say "until proven otherwise every instinct is correct" you ask for "empirical prove that every instinct is correct".
Yes, because you should be consistent in the methodology you use to determine something is correct in the first place. I'm assuming you mean correct not in moral terms, though if you are then just makes the argument even more incoherent as you were using the same "correct" in terms of something being proven.
>When i say "the majority of researchers in every field are a waste of space" you answer "not all science is inherently invalid".
Because of how you used the statement "the majority of reaserchers" as a way to dismiss most science.
>Spare me your lecture on "cope".
Spare me everything besides an actually good argument.
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 No.311929

>>311753
What the fuck are you appealing to you retarded baboon? You realize you have not provided evidence or a cogent argument for anything you said? It’s exactly like what the OP pointed out about you fucking stupid animals, that all your politics center around things that make you feel vaguely icky or uncomfortable.
Honestly I hope you get gunned the fuck down for real
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 No.311933

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>>311881
I’d put a bullet in you and your siblings too, faggot
> Do you also get hard while fantasizing about killing millions of working class blacks and latinos who also hate race mixing, homosexuality, and transvestites?
Where do you think you are, fucking stupidpol? I’m supposed to agree with every shit for brains reactionary thought held by a proletarian? Should I also start attending mass to be respectful to theist proles?
And the anon I was responding to was a Nazi dog, if you want to defend him then you’re a shit eating worm just like him, fucking subhuman trash, get off this board
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 No.311955

>>311951
>bench press two plates
can you dweeb lmao

post vid
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 No.311958

>>311951
It’d honestly be based if you were in my house, because then not only would I have the legal right to kill you, I would also torture you
I’ve shot firearms many times, if I leave the city I currently live in I plan to immediately buy a gun
If you were in my house, within my reach, I would stare into your eyes while I stab the fuck out of you
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 No.311960

>>311951
>Here’s an anecdote about me being told that it’s not safe for me to date
And did ANYTHING happen to you? Saying “gut feelings” and calling people autistic is NOT a substitute for actual facts.
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 No.311964

>>311926
>Yes, because you should be consistent in the methodology you use to determine something is correct in the first place.
The conviction to believe in every instinct until proven wrong stems from the fact that instincts were shaped by natural selection to make people act in ways that "just work". If you manage to show me, for example, that a disgust response towards the LGBT mentally ill gay retard crowd is inappropriate and they are actually just like your every day person, then i'm perfectly willing to concede that.
>how you used the statement "the majority of reaserchers" as a way to dismiss most science
If by "most science" you mean those very same papers these unaccomplished bugmen write, then sure. Otherwise i meant to disprove the notion that science isn't the produce of select individuals.
>>311929
>all your politics center around things that make you feel vaguely icky or uncomfortable
"vaguely icky" lol. When people see your transhumanist friends they want to puke the same way they see an infectious disease on rotten meat. Beyond that there is more than enough empirical proof that leftists are riddled with mental illness from top to bottom.
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 No.311967

>>311963
Lmao okay tough guy, let’s see a picture of you, fucking cracker faggot. Let’s see how tough you are that you can survive getting shot or stabbed in the throat.
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 No.311968

>>311951
>Not that anon, but I have yet to see any actual arguments from you lot. I think you don't get the whole gut feeling because you, and a lot of image board users in general fall somewhere on the ausitms specturm and lack "social intelligence" and don't have street smarts in general. People were getting blue int he face telling me that I was wrong about it not being safe walking around as a white guy in an inner city black neighborhood with your arm around the shoulder of an attractive black woman. A lot of people here are childishly naive about this sort of shit.
Dude, you're the fag who literally always brings up ancedotal stories of you allegedly going out with a different ethnic woman every single thread you post in, and you try and treat that shit as an argument. Don't talk about actual arguments when you don't have any. Anons who have literally grown up in multiethnic cities, trade schools, and foreign countries have also responded to you with their own anecdotes starting differently, and all you've done is kvetch only your anecdotes are legitimate and everyone just doesn't get it.
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 No.311970

>>311964
> The conviction to believe in every instinct until proven wrong stems from the fact that instincts were shaped by natural selection to make people act in ways that "just work".
Having the stupidity to blindly trust every lizard brained emotional response you have to stimuli isn’t a virtue
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 No.311972

>>311951
> Not that anon, but I have yet to see any actual arguments from you lot. I think you don't get the whole gut feeling because you, and a lot of image board users in general fall somewhere on the ausitms specturm and lack "social intelligence" and don't have street smarts in general. People were getting blue int he face telling me that I was wrong about it not being safe walking around as a white guy in an inner city black neighborhood with your arm around the shoulder of an attractive black woman. A lot of people here are childishly naive about this sort of shit.
Have you considered people give you dirty looks because you’re a despicable unlikeable cunt that should be stomped tf out?
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 No.311974

>>311965
This is an anonymous imageboard, rapemeat.
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 No.311976

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>>311970
It's a trust until proven wrong with sound reasoning behind it. Literally just look at the people on your side for 5 minutes and observe the staggering amount of suicidality, depression, anxiety, self-harm and dysfunction. Or the things you celebrate as "love".

Literal. Fucking. Disease.
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 No.311981

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>>311971
Of course, I live in a fucking major city mate
Why tf do you think we’d even “struggle” over a gun? I would just shoot you in your fucking face, you think I’d give you a monologue, I’d just unload a clip. And struggle over a knife? I already said I’d put you to death if I had the chance, you think we’ll be struggling or some shit? How difficult do you think it is to incapacitate a grown man, honestly? Do you think you’re Jason fucking Bourne faggot? Because if you’re anything other than a UFC fighter, no, going to the gym occasionally won’t give you what you need to survive someone lunging at you with a knife. Lmao dumb motherfucker
>U STARTED WITH THE KILLING FANTASIES
Yes, this is a communist board, Nazis should be executed, got a problem with that, faggot polyp? After all, I’m only talking to your ass because you stepped in to defend your little Nazi friend, subhuman rodent.
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 No.311982

>>311976
>That's even more idiotic, since right wingers are less stronger than leftists, so you'll are the degenerates.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797612466415
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 No.311983

>>311976
>mfw when people bully folks until they consider suicide
<Look at the depression rates, it’s a literal disease.
Yeah, anon, I have a healthy benign disinterest in the trans crowd like most folk and I smell your bullshit even from here.
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 No.311985

>>311982
>mfw when poorer strong men favor redistribution
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 No.311986

>>311980
>Not wanting to kill the people in that pic is a mental illness.

Not wanting to kill fascists is a mental illness, one could say with as much ground. Your arguments are rubbish.
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 No.311988

>>311985
When I got my deadlift over 4 plates I unironically started becoming a proto communist even before I read theory. It was weird as fuck, it was like I finally got strong and realized I had literally zero desire to lord it over others and just had this void
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 No.311989

>>311980
I suspect that you don’t actually get any pussy at all and just write stories about it. But sure, keep pivoting. Nothing happened to you not because no one cared THAT much, but because they knew what’d happen if they tried.
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 No.311992

>>311988
Holy based like crack rock.
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 No.311993

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>>311983
>implying bullying those deranged fuckers into sucide is in any way bad whatsoever
This is what you stand for. Embrace it, faggot.
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 No.311999

>>311993
Mate, why the fuck shouldnt some morally degenerate vermin like you be bullied into suicide? Better yet, why shouldn’t you be shot? Better yet, why shouldn’t you be outright tortured?
I despise LGBT politics, but those are still just weirdos at the very worst, whereas you, are some fucking morally degenerate dog, you are a fucking animal. A Nazoid is about the furthest an individual human could go from the status of personhood, anyway infected by the fascist mind virus should be quarantined and euthanized.
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 No.312002

>>311993
Again, by your own arguments and logic we come to the conclusion that fascists like you are not human but animals instead and should be treated as such. If nearly always acting on instincts of Rage and disgust is correct then you'll are like animals and a danger to society. What differs humans from animals is rationality, but fascists in acting on instinct only reject humanity and become beasts.
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 No.312003

>>312002
Exactly, fascists outright reject their humanity anyway, so the human race should similarly reject them and kill every last one of them the same way we eradicated smallpox
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 No.312006

>>312004
Do all your arguments center around
>Leftist = skinny transhumanist
You obese polyp faggot?
Because if they do then yes, you would fucking die

But at least you finally admit you are a fascist dog now, people like you should be forced to watch their home burn to the fucking ground before being sent to Hell
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 No.312008

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>>311999
Those are your allies. Embrace D I V E R S I T Y.
>>312002
>What differs humans from animals is rationality
I chose to embrace my instincts for the value they provide. You are a slave to the TV telling you it's moral to let your kids strip with some grandpa with AIDS and bdsm stripes.
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 No.312010

>>312006
And leftists are on average stronger then right-wingers anyway, so leftists are superior according to his own argument
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 No.312012

>>312004
>Muh Cannon Hinant
The fucker who shot a kid for being on his lawn has already gone to jail. They probably should’ve executed him, but whatevs. What are you mad about, that you can’t turn it into some blood libel for a race war? That people protest POLICE violence?
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 No.312013

>>311964
>The conviction to believe in every instinct until proven wrong stems from the fact that instincts were shaped by natural selection to make people act in ways that "just work".
Again, this is flawed adaptivist reasoning, and one which can't in any way be verified. There is no proof for every "instinct" being something selected for, and there is no proof they are inherently correct. "Just work" doesn't equal "correct". How exactly are you as a person supposed to separate what was learned and was instinctual to begin with as well. Getting drunk doesn't solve such a issue, because you are still operating with a dynamic brain that has already accepted information to begin with.
>If you manage to show me, for example, that a disgust response towards the LGBT mentally ill gay retard crowd is inappropriate and they are actually just like your every day person, then i'm perfectly willing to concede that
But this is entirely based on you own sentiments regardless of what is shown. You are conflating something being correct in the proven scientific way with something being correct in the justified and moral way. You can definitely find gay people who are no different then the majority of society, but I have no doubt that upon seeing them you'll just default to the fact that they are gay, and therefore not like most people who are not gay, as an argument.
>If by "most science" you mean those very same papers these unaccomplished bugmen write, then sure. Otherwise i meant to disprove the notion that science isn't the produce of select individuals.
There is plenty of scientific research being done by people working together in lab and in the field to collect data and information regarding a certain specimen or subject. Much of that research inherently can't be done by only a select group of individuals, and must be done on afar larger scale. That scale though doesn't inherently invalidate the science, and many times makes the research itself more robust.
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 No.312015

>>312008
>I chose to embrace my instincts for the value they provide. You are a slave to the TV telling you it's moral to let your kids strip with some grandpa with AIDS and bdsm stripes.

So you've become a beast simply more brutish and lower then cavemen also. You can only see one or the other, if you are not a beast like me you must be brainless.
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 No.312017

>>312014
Just remember, we would absolutely execute your entire family, fucking fascist dog
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 No.312018

>>312008
>Muh Instincts
Is this the WV white trash again? Go ahead and embrace your “instincts” while the rest of us learn how to not die. It’ll be natural selection.
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 No.312023

>>312020
>Muh Race Consciousness
I ain’t scared of no ghosts
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 No.312024

>>312022
[citation needed]
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 No.312030

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>>311976
>It's a trust until proven wrong with sound reasoning behind it. Literally just look at the people on your side for 5 minutes and observe the staggering amount of suicidality, depression, anxiety, self-harm and dysfunction. Or the things you celebrate as "love".
There's literally zero sound reasoning to it. You provided no proof to your claim whatsoever, because they are largely normative statements that you are trying to falsely make objective. Again though, define "our" side
>>312008
>Those are your allies. Embrace D I V E R S I T Y.
Are you going to make me post your "allies" now?
>>312002
>What differs humans from animals is rationality I chose to embrace my instincts for the value they provide. You are a slave to the TV telling you it's moral to let your kids strip with some grandpa with AIDS and bdsm stripes.
Who said we support said things?
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 No.312034

love how they always prove they are subhuman.
they don't have a disgust response like a human being or they couldn't post things like that.
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 No.312036

>>312029
>Around half of Hispanics and Asians don't see it as central, and around a quarter of Blacks
I don't think this says what you think it says.
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 No.312037

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>>312013
>There is no proof for every "instinct" being something selected for,
The important part is that your instincts are correct more often than not. Everybody acknowledges exceptions.
>>312017
You'll have half your neighborhood killed well before then by your own people uyghnog.
>>312030
>Who said we support said things?
Everybody knows you do. And all the degenerates agree as well. Who are you trying to fool?
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 No.312038

>>312030
How fucking easy to manipulate are you fascist faggots that watching a TV show will make you want to suck a dick?
I get you dogs are fucking easy to manipulate as literal toddlers considering you openly reject introspection and rationality, but holy fuck I didn’t realize your own fucking sexuality is subject to change
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 No.312042

>>312029
Basically haven't we already proved that Communism is far more superior to fascism? we want to improve everyone's life's they, they (really)want to kill whoever they feel like based on their instincts
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 No.312049

>>312043
> I'd make you eat your mother's eyeballs and if you puked them up I'd beat you with a switch, pull out some your nails, throw them into the vomit puddle and make you eat everything up. You wouldn't even be able to fight back, you impotent dog dick sucking cuntflap.
Lmao yea, this is what actual impotent rage looks like, fucking deranged obese faggot. It’s funny, the difference between a fascist and a communist, a communist will want to simply shoot or stab someone, fascists go all out with the deranged fantasies with cannibalism, rape, etc.

You people are animals, you should be killed to protect those around you, your family should be imprisoned for bringing you into existence and as an example to other fascist dogs
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 No.312052

>>312037
>The important part is that your instincts are correct more often than not. Everybody acknowledges exceptions.
Good job ignoring the rest of the argument made. How exactly do you prove this? And in many cases, what is even being proven?
>Everybody knows you do. And all the degenerates agree as well. Who are you trying to fool?
No anon, answer the question. Who said we support said things?
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 No.312053

>>312051
Yes, ethnics do want to slaughter you fascist dogs
Every fascist deserve death, no matter how old they are, no matter their race, no matter their sex
A fascist gets a bullet without exception
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 No.312062

reminder that fascoids belong in the cuck pit
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 No.312067

>>312064
>the mass rape meme
kek
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 No.312068

>>312051
>Yes. The mulignans, spics, pajeets, and dune coons want to murder us. Which is why we can;t unite with them under some illusory class unity. I'm not breaking bread with the supporters of Darius Sessoms and Kori Muhammad. I'm breaking their heads open after I make them watch me kill their bitch ass kids with a screwdriver

Your're raving mad, the vast majority of people want to live a good life, that's all. There are literally threads of Russians, Indians, Mongolians etc
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 No.312070

>>312051
lol have you considered that most minorities fucking hate you because you condescend to them in every interaction

I've run into one of you homos in person and the animosity is noticeable even in spite of attempts to hide it, no one wants to treat someone who apriori has decided you are subhuman with respect

I don't even hate wypipo on the whole
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 No.312075

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>>312043
>I'd make you eat your mother's eyeballs and if you puked them up I'd beat you with a switch, pull out some your nails, throw them into the vomit puddle and make you eat everything up. You wouldn't even be able to fight back, you impotent dog dick sucking cuntflap.
That's a pretty degenerate fantasy you have there anon.
>20000 people
Only 20000? That's less then some serial killers get from people who assert their innocence.
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 No.312076

>>311753
>People celebrate diversity because TV
Actually most people dont fucking care. We live and work with different people and most dont care
Also I dont even watch TV
>>312020
Retard take. where was "white" racial consciousness when nazis killed millions of slavs?
>>312029
>People living in a racist society and most affected by their perceived race are more likely to see race as central to their identity
Now do the same poll elsewhere
>>312051
>Hoomins vs orcs
Go outside burgeroid retard
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 No.312077

>>312064
Just go gun down your family and yourself like the deranged dog you are
You fucking fascist scum slaughtered more Europeans than anyone else in history, every last one of you deserve the most barbaric tortures to be devised by medieval society
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 No.312079

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>>312064
>Soviets committed mass rape and communist partisans routinely massacred civilians.
Didn't happen.
>These children;s corpses are the handiwork of your fore bearers.
Also didn't happen.
>So you do support the likes of Kori Ali Muhammad because he killed some working class white chuds? This is why you must die. You support violence against white civilians
Where did he talk about kill civilians?
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 No.312089

>>312080
>we care about whites
<but not if theyre europeans in 1939-1945
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 No.312090

>>312052
>Good job ignoring the rest of the argument made.
We are just talking past each other. Instincts are important because, unlike logical thinking, they have been selected for their ability to aid us in survival and reproduction in the real world. Logic is important insofar as it provides a clearer understanding of reality if and only if it is true. While logical analysis can be very powerful it is easy to mischaracterize the complexity of the world. Instincts, by virtue of being naturally selection, take into account all relevant factors.

Once you understand this dynamic you will realize how pointless your questions are.
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 No.312091

>>312080
Shouldn't you be the one crying over it, subhuman vermin? I honestly don't give a shit about Europeans, you're the one pretending to, yet you degenerate animals killed more Europeans than any other singular group in history.
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 No.312095

>>312090
Tell me what instinct allows you to drive a car or use a computer
These things are learned just like language. You think that if you leave a kid in the forest for 20 years and come back they will be a well adjusted adult?
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 No.312103

>>312090
But your'e wrong, logic and empirical evidence are always more accurate then instincts.
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 No.312135

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>>312095
>You think that if you leave a kid in the forest for 20 years and come back they will be a well adjusted adult?
Yeah, that's exactly what that paragraph was meant to convey, retard.
>>312103
>logic and empirical evidence are always more accurate then instincts
More "accurate" in so far as they can describe simple and objective relations mathematically. After you expand your scope of reference and talk about complex societal interactions or practicality then logic usually falls apart. For example it is "logical" to say that most tradition are "illogical", but their value stems from their adaption to aid the real reproduction of human life. It is also "logical" to say that there are exceptions to my previous statement and to therefore disregard it, but as you go on and on you eventually will end up with a society that "just so happens" to end up like pic related.
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 No.312152

>>312135
>but as you go on and on you eventually will end up with a society that "just so happens" to end up like pic related.
Yes, and? Do you understand why this happens? Because until recently it wasnt possible for people to take sex hormones. Now it is and anyone that is interested and can afford is able to grow tits or a beard.
In the future this will get even weirder with people genetically modifying themselves (already been attempted) and stuff like implants

I dont get why you reactionaries are so upset about this when it doesnt affect your ability to have a 'trad' family
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 No.312155

>>312152
>I dont get why you reactionaries are so upset about this when it doesnt affect your ability to have a 'trad' family
You are forgetting that these people vote and take up physical space in society.
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 No.312163

>>312135
>More "accurate" in so far as they can describe simple and objective relations mathematically. After you expand your scope of reference and talk about complex societal interactions or practicality then logic usually falls apart. For example it is "logical" to say that most tradition are "illogical", but their value stems from their adaption to aid the real reproduction of human life. It is also "logical" to say that there are exceptions to my previous statement and to therefore disregard it, but as you go on and on you eventually will end up with a society that "just so happens" to end up like pic related.
None of this argument was a refuting of the initial point. You didn't support your argument at all, you practically just based it on pointing at a picture of a trans person and then using that to validate your point one why "logic fall apart". In no way did you refute the use of logic when studying complex things.
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 No.312165

>>312155
How does them being able to vote hurt you?
>trans people exist
Like who fucking cares? I dont even know a single trans person. I dont even know anyone in this country that is trans or may be trans. Its fucking irrelevant.
Even if 10% of the people here were trans, what would actually change? Nothing
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 No.312167

>>312155
>You are forgetting that these people vote and take up physical space in society.
A lot of people take up space in society, from kids who can't walk to the elderly who can't eat without assistance. And?
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 No.312175

>>312135
>More "accurate" in so far as they can describe simple and objective relations mathematically. After you expand your scope of reference and talk about complex societal interactions or practicality then logic usually falls apart.

Instinct is far worse then logic in this regard. Take the example of Gay men, It is an evolutionary advantage, yet some feel disgust, yet numerous cultures push feminine men into various positions as a third gender eg. Samoa where feminine men take care of female duties.
Even transgenderism, the vast majority of right wingers acept "Femboys" who look good as long as they don't call themselves trans or LGBTQ

secondly instinct is not some unchangable thing bestowed from high, when marquis de sade published his books people were disgusted ,however nowdays porn is widely used. Lovecraft had a visceral hatred of immigrants and Jews, yet at the end he married a Jew a became a socialist.
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 No.312186

>>312155
>You don’t understand the problem with these people who don’t really affect my life in any real way is that they live in the same world I do
Isn’t that just a justification for your own execution? Considering you are an admitted genocidal monster?
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 No.312187

>>312163
>None of this argument was a refuting of the initial point.
"good logic > good instincts > bad logic > bad instincts". No matter how obtuse you want to be, you still have to admit that the vast, vast majority of historically "logical thought" turned out to be false and is that there are countless mutually exclusive "logical" ideas even today. Thus you cannot say logic is always more accurate than instincts.
>>312165
>Like who fucking cares?
There is an ever growing amount of people that can not sustain themselves and has a chronic need to validate their broken existance by destroying everything that is normal. They vote, eat, occupy positions of influence and take up space that otherwise normal people could put to better use.
>>312167
Difference is they are capable of sustaining themselves in a healthy way.
>>312175
>Take the example of Gay men, It is an evolutionary advantage
Used to think so, too. But then i realized the relationship between gays and the rest of society is in no way symbiotic and that like every second gay person got raped as a kid. Not to mention their pozzed idology or widespread diseases like AIDS. There is a far stronger case against gays than for them.
>the vast majority of right wingers acept "Femboys"
As if. Are you talking about the cesspool that is 4chan? These people are barely human.
>nowdays porn is widely used
Porn hijacks dopamine production and is highly addictive. There is nothing good about it.
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 No.312235

>>312187
>Used to think so, too. But then i realized the relationship between gays and the rest of society is in no way symbiotic and that like every second gay person got raped as a kid. Not to mention their pozzed idology or widespread diseases like AIDS. There is a far stronger case against gays than for them.

Proofs? Gays have been accepted in some way or the other in most human societies Also talking about feminine men, being a man penetrator and a young feminine boy was not stigmatized in Greece or Rome either.

>As if. Are you talking about the cesspool that is 4chan? These people are barely human.


Most far-righters.

>Porn hijacks dopamine production and is highly addictive. There is nothing good about it.


Maybe, but my point was that once something is not shown to be a threat instincts wind down, like how the Patriots called the BP's monkeys when first meeting them but afterwards. Also brazil has an interracial marriage rate of 40%, instincts even if they exist(Disgust at interracial) in the first place can be changed.
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 No.312245

>>312235
*The Appalachian patriots and Black panthers became best friends.
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 No.312247

>>312187
>"good logic > good instincts > bad logic > bad instincts".
There isn't an actual argument for this though, you just dodging the issues brought up regarding it. You already rejected logic as being applied to complex things, as logic applied to complex things is inherently prone to bias and flaws in its reasoning. But apparently its still "good logic" to try and use logic on something apparently complex as instinct. You also don't provide a basis on how to differentiate between "good" or "bad" instinct, you just state something is good or bad in terms of instinct based on your personal sentiment on the matter.
>No matter how obtuse you want to be, you still have to admit that the vast, vast majority of historically "logical thought" turned out to be false and is that there are countless mutually exclusive "logical" ideas even today. Thus you cannot say logic is always more accurate than instincts.
<A bunch of people in the past turned out to be false in their use of logic, therefore current logic cannot be trusted and we should fall back on the "tried and true".
I can't believe you literally quoted the IASIP argument for God lol.
>Difference is they are capable of sustaining themselves in a healthy way.
How? Some of the people I mentioned literally can't care for themselves. How is a gay person who practices safe sex and goes to work like everyone else not sustaining themselves in a healthy way?
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 No.312256

>>312187
>There is an ever growing amount of people that can not sustain themselves and has a chronic need to validate their broken existance by destroying everything that is normal.
Many of the things we consider "normal" werent 100 years ago.
Also how does being trans make you unable to sustain yourself? In most countries sex hormones for transitioning arent covered by insurance
There is no argument here just "tr00ns make me feel icky". Stop pretending this has anything to do with facts, logic or tradition
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 No.312265

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>>312187
>As if. Are you talking about the cesspool that is 4chan? These people are barely human.
8/pol/ more or less did too, just when they were using other boards on the site. And given that the vast majority of the site was as far right as they come, there were a lot of right wingers engaging in a lot of stuff.
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 No.312280

The nazoid itt pretty much just wants to be told that their feelings are valid but in like a cool alpha way
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 No.312298

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>>312280
The only way to get this is to have your former commander telling you the boys died nobly for a good cause trying to take that hill while your PTSD causes you to break down in his arms
Time for some violence, despair, and homosociality
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 No.312301

>>312280
Expanding on what I was saying, many WW1 veterans Instinctively felt that Jews betrayed them despite the fact that Jews were vastly overrepresented(heh) in the army and the rank rewards.
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 No.312394

>>311492
Please for the love of God, HAVE SEX!
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 No.312404

>>311492
fucking your mom is peak disgusting
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 No.312415

>>311492
Are you that pedo spurdo?
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 No.312705

>>311993
White genocide is one of my favorite of agendas of the ruling class. And if there’s one thing I like from them it is that, there’s nothing you can do because you’ll get bullied back into the safe space embrace of an imageboard.
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 No.313002

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>>310503
>fascism and disgust

>>312175
>Femboys
>>312165
>trans
>>311141
>chimp out
>>311964
>transhumanist
>>311431
>cuckold
>>310544
>race traitor
>>312235
>Gays
>>311853
>degenerate
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 No.313004

>>311076
what the fuck
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 No.313065

I've noticed two different types of personality on the right. Some right wingers seem to base their politics in closed-mindedness and fear of the unknown, they are sensitive to disgust and form highly insular in-groups for defensive reasons. The other type of personality I've noticed among right wingers is quite the opposite. These people are emotionally calloused and stress resistant, they have a predatory mindset and are likely to exploit others, their politics are centered around self aware sadism and selfishness. They use conservatism as a way to project dominance and control over more societally vulnerable people. High in dark triad traits.

I've noticed a sort of interplay between these two types of people in rightwing spaces such as pol. For example you will have one of the latter type say some really psycho shit about sadistic fantasies of theirs involving innocent people, even ones within the in-group and the former will react with shock and disgust. It's interesting to see how different types of people will support reactionary politics for different reasons and yet to the same results
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 No.313068

>>312298
>Time for some violence, despair, and homosociality
We need more of this on the left tbh
nothing quite like bros being bros
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 No.313177

>>313065
Almost like their individual character doesn’t matter in mass politics.
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 No.313204

>>313177
I think it can be used as a wedge against them
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 No.313208

>>313204
Perhaps, but I can’t say for sure
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 No.313209

>>310503
>disgusting
>morally evil
This sums it up.
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 No.313316

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 No.313324

>>313316
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abusive_power_and_control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_abuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_bonding
>Perpetuation of transgenerational cycles of abuse. People who have experienced trauma and traumatic bonds can - knowingly or unknowingly - repeat the cycle of abuse. In other words, victims who were traumatically bonded with abusers may grow to become abusers themselves.
>The experience of being in a trauma bond can have adverse neurobiological and neurophysiological outcomes. The body of the victim of a trauma bond is in a perpetual 'fight-or-flight' response state, which can increase cortisol levels that can have a cascading effect and trigger other hormones. Persistent, chronic stress can also hamper the cellular response in the body, thereby negatively impacting immunity, organ health, mood, energy levels, and more.[4] In the long run, this can cause epigenetic changes as well.
>Furthermore, a study conducted in 2015 found that the establishment of a trauma bond in infancy is also linked with amygdala dysfunction, neurobehavioral deficits, and increased vulnerability to psychiatric disorders later on in life.[26]
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 No.313335

>>310503
Also consider that 4chan has a deep fetish for gore and despicable things anyone else on the internet would say "what the fuck?" towards
That's why they all jacked their teeny tiny dicks into the sun over Christchurch, seeing helpless people die both confirms their view that they're subhuman and fuels their fantasia
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 No.314177

>>310503

Disgust is a natural and useful reaction to all phenomena. Its literally built in to body and mind and is therefore useful as a tool in all areas of inquiry. That's why /pol/ uses it. But keep underestimating them, that'll help…
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 No.314198

>>314177
Distributist anon, is that you?

You disgust me.
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 No.314207

>>314198

You're free to say why im wrong and you're right.
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 No.314210

>>314207
True. That's why most people are disgusted at /pol/.
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 No.314214

>>314177
"disgust is natural…" is a stupid line to take. pain is natural, that's not a justification for me breaking a lead pipe over your head. my violent assault is perfectly artificial. given enough time and enough social consensus, i could make you disgusted at anything. (i will pick tenkeyless keyboards, because fuck those.)
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 No.314215

>>314207
Read the entire thread above me, catamite. You’ll see people talking to a case study of why disgust does not make a useful basis for political theory.

You disgust me, for example, and if I saw you being beaten to death on the street, I’d maybe call the cops, but I certainly wouldn’t intervene. However, the fact of the matter is that as a petty booj, you’re a class enemy to me. Our material interests fundamentally oppose one another and if the structures that allow petty booj or all booj in general such as yourself to disappear are removed, then that is to my benefit. It’s not enough fle worthless cunts like you to be killed, as much as I approve of the idea. Because you’re the way that you are because of a specific relationship to the means of production. If that relationship is removed from the realm of possibility but you the individual continue to exist, you might actually become a decent human being.
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 No.314225

>>314214

Pain is natural indeed. It's a justification for taking alternative action. The reason rightists use disgust is fundamentally biological. For the most part natural proclivities tend to be healthy.
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 No.314226

>>314215
>I’d maybe call the cops
I am no anarchist but that is no good.
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 No.314233

>>314226
I agree that cops are certainly no bueno, but if someone was getting beaten to death in the street, there isn’t anyone else who has the monopoly on force necessary for intervening. Plus, if I don’t I might be citable for failing to report a crime.
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 No.314237

>>314226
>>314233
The cops are a tool retard. They will indeed catch rapists and murderers sometimes and it's usually a better tool to use than violence on your' own part or just doing nothing and letting crime go unpunished
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 No.314238

>>314215

Yes, but simply saying that I as a supposedly booji class enemy of yours disgusts you is unlikely to be actually true. If I am sweet smelling and physically pleasing to the eye do I disgust you?
Think of it this way, the left and right are generally in agreement about pollution and environmental protection for, I would posit, the base reason that the alternative is disgusting and unhealthy. As a fundamental starting point for inquiry into what is best policy it has few equals. Furthermore it's far easier to get people to agree to things that do not produce such a disgust reaction.
We can surely agree on that.
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 No.314241

>>314238
Yes you do. Because I know who you are. And you’re a middle-aged gammon, not fucking fanny kaplan.
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 No.314242

>>314237
mongoloid
>>314233
I was talking about that specific situation.
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 No.314243

>>314237
You’re missing the part where I call the cops and watch the petty booj being beaten to death, knowing that the police won’t arrive on time.
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 No.314246

>>314243
oh right my bad mate. yeah all petit booj are enemies, take your' time and just say you wee too shocked
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 No.314249

>>314246
That’s okay, pal. I’m glad we’re on the same page.
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 No.314250

>>314241

Indeed. But you don't find me disgusting. Nor do you find middle age gammons disgusting. Why? Because generally we're good and healthy people. Moreover, this is about policy choice. A good example would be how far gay people have a right to a say in child rearing, do people who engage in distinctly unhealthy sexual behaviours have an equal amount of regard for health as others? Using the disgust response one could reasonably say no.
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 No.314252

>>314225
On the Contrary Most natural proclivities are unhealthy and what makes humans better then animals is rationality.

>>314238
>Think of it this way, the left and right are generally in agreement about pollution and environmental protection for, I would posit, the base reason that the alternative is disgusting and unhealthy. As a fundamental starting point for inquiry into what is best policy it has few equals. Furthermore it's far easier to get people to agree to things that do not produce such a disgust reaction.
We can surely agree on that.

The environmental cause became big not because of disgust but after Rachael Carson wrote her book. If it was so natural.
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 No.314255

>>314250
>Nor do you find middle age gammons disgusting. Why? Because generally we're good and healthy people.
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 No.314256

>>314252

Incorrect. Most natural proclivities are entirely healthy.

Environmentalism goes back a long long way. Remember your public health history do you?
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 No.314259

>>314255

Barney is an occasionally employed alcoholic. Remember?

So is he proletariat enough for you?
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 No.314262

>>314250
Except I do find you lot disgusting. But it’s a visceral response with an intellectual root because of foreknowledge of what you are. There’s nothing inherently disgusting about undocumented immigrants or brown people in general or whoever (some people, the horror, actually find them sexually appealing). But it’s because of a list of preconceived associations that polyps respond as such.
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 No.314264

>>314256
Heh? the enviromental movement began with that. Even cleanliness is very easy to acclimitise in humans. Look at mediveal and renaissance Europe and India, people kept their houses clen but their surroundings dirty.
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 No.314265

>>314256
I have a natural proclivity to eat fatty, high salt, high sugar content foods and drink literal poison that makes my brain feel funny. Even though those will eventually kill me.
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 No.314268

>>314265
>maladaption to new conditions exists
imagine
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 No.314269


>>314264
You're correct that people can get used to alot.
They weren't "keeping" the outside dirty. They'd yet to make a number of intuitive leaps about health and public health.
Public health has always been a thing all sides could agree on, the fundamental basis of detecting a threat to public health, is disgust.
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 No.314271

>>311067
It's okay anon, nobody here thinks that uyghurs are able to think for themselves.
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 No.314273

>>314265

Your body needs most of those things and seeks them out. Your current problem is one of abundance.
I don't know why you supposedly real marxists don't agree anyway, it's a legitimate way to entice the working class to your cause.
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 No.314274

>>314250
>But you don't find me disgusting. Nor do you find middle age gammons disgusting.
No. Just no. You are disgusting. You are an degenerate of the worst kind. Anything that comes out of your mouth is disgusting and degenerate. And that's frankly what also every normie says about /pol/ and your kind in general.
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 No.314279

>>314274

What exactly is it that you find disgusting?

Is it something physical? Intellectual? Spiritual?
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 No.314283

>>314279
>physical? Intellectual? Spiritual?
Anon, I….
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 No.314284

>>314273
>Marxism is infantile workerism
The proletariat is the revolutionary subject, not the “good guys” of history. The difference is that the proletariat play an instrumental role in pushing the dialectic forward and causing the transformational change in our economy. Furthermore, the proletariat’s pursuit of this change is justified because it is in their self-interest.
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 No.314286

>>314273
>It’s a problem of abundance
Then you admit that what proclivity is healthy is determined in part by the person-environment dialectic.
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 No.314290

>>314286
NTA but I’m curious what you mean when you say “person-environment dialectic”, could you expand on this?
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 No.314301

>>314290
This is a general sociological concept, but not a marxist one necessarily. individuals live in an environment and they mutually interact on one another. The environment defines a person’s behavior and their best interests to some degree, although a person can effect some small change on their environment to better suit their purposes.

If we were primitive hunter gatherers going after salt and sugar and fat is good, because those are rare and necessary in small amounts. Because it is in abundance, we socially and as individuals must do our best to cut down our intake.
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 No.314302

>>314284

Indeed. And what about the pretty booji dialectic. Is that important too? After all, they have the skills, the strength, the books etc etc
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 No.314306

>>314302
>petty booj dialectic
This ain’t 1789, class enemy. Further more the majority of today’s petty booj will become tomorrow’s proletariat.
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 No.314308

>>314286

Yes of course. The body requires heamo stasis therefore it has a certain amount of basic needs, these may fluctuate but generally they remain constant. The environment changes however, the body adapts the environment to feed that constant need. Disgust is a vital part of avoiding possible poisoning and injury.
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 No.314311

>>314306

If the petty booj are tomorrow's proles then what's your problem with the petty booj?
By the way calling me a class enemy is cool. Im the enemy of all classes.
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 No.314312

>>314308
>Disgust is a vital part of avoiding possible poisoning and injury.
How does that relate to homeostasis in any way?
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 No.314313

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>Disgust is a vital part of avoiding possible poisoning and injury.
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 No.314315

>>314311
The problem is that the petty booj desire to remain petty booj and maybe even become big booj. They are thus a reactionary force.

It is thus beneficial to accelerate their proletarianization.
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 No.314316

>>314312

Heamostasis is maintained by avoiding poisoning and subsequent loss of fluids.
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 No.314318

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>>314238
>Yes, but simply saying that I as a supposedly booji class enemy of yours disgusts you is unlikely to be actually true. If I am sweet smelling and physically pleasing to the eye do I disgust you?
Are you fucking retarded? You can be as "attractive" as you want, it doesn't make you any less disgusting, physically or otherwise. In fact, i would argue it makes you even more disgusting, as you apperantly care about your appearance and the way you are percieved so much, which makes you appear as a narcissist for most people which is simply disgusting. Just rope yourself. You are not needed and your pseudo-bullshit shits up the thread.
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 No.314322

>>314313

Oh look, it's reddit pretending to be /pol/
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 No.314323

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>>314322
>He doesn't know…
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 No.314326

>>314315

Could one not just as easily say this about proles?
They desire to and often do become pretty and then big booj historically.
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 No.314329

>>314316
1. It’s Homeostasis. Unless you’re using disgusting british spelling for hemostasis. And that means stopping bleeding.
2. Disgust and avoiding ingesting bad fluids or whatever is not the alpha and omega of homeostasis. It’s not even the primary part of it.
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 No.314338

>>314329

Yes the British spelling is superior. And there are many ways to both lose and maintain fluids. Disgust is in a primary mechanism for doing so. By washing hands we avoid d & v. We feel disgust at touching dirty things, so we wash and / or avoid. This is undeniable.
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 No.314340

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>>314326
>desire to
False consciousness and hegemony is a thing. Picrel
>often do
Statistically this is a minority. Also class mobility does not preclude the existence of neither classes nor class struggle.
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 No.314342

>>314338
Homeboy, doctors didn’t wash their hands until recently because they thought it was effeminate. Your point is ahistorical and you’re just making shit up to confirm your viewpoints, as reaction is wont to do.
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 No.314348


>>314340

False. People do not climb the income scale in order to oppress.
Class mobility is a significant minority. Any apprentice engineer joining the oil industry in the 20th century significantly raised their earnings and lives comfortably today.
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 No.314351

>>314342

What exactly is washing and how old is it as a practice?
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 No.314353

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>>314348
>They do not climb in order to oppress
Their intentions don’t count for shit. If they want to maintain their position oppression always is on the table.
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 No.314355

>Thing occurs within the confines of human society
>Pseud redditor feels the need to project evolutionary pseudoscience onto it
Like clockwork
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 No.314357

>>314342

What exactly is washing and how old is it as a practice?

You'll find it's very very old. How really important it is only became clearer and clearer with the advent of germ theory. Or perhaps you think disgust is a modern concept too?
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 No.314359

>>314353

Statements without evidence or example are dismissed.
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 No.314361

>>314355

L's pretending disgust isn't natural or useful, home stasis isn't a thing. Cleanliness is a pretty bourgeoisie concept etc.

This is why you lose every time.
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 No.314362

>>314357
By no means. Psychologically it’s one of the five basic emotions. However, what is considered disgusting and is not can often be subject to change and socially mediated. It also isn’t useful for describing the bases of social behavior in a human society , which are relations to productive forces and the productive relations that arise thereof.

Yes, people wash their hands to clean off visible filth, but if you did it when there was none on your hands, you were looked at funny until recently.
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 No.314367

>>314359
>Saying the above with zero self-awareness
Like pottery.
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 No.314368

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>>314359
>Statements without evidence or example are dismissed.
Kek. Yeah, I wonder who does this the entire time.
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 No.314371

>>314361
>Thinking the expression of disgust is uniform and unidirectional enough to explain or predict behavior at a mass level if not an individual level.
Peruse the comments that preceded yours and you’ll find that much of the same material has already been discussed.
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 No.314375

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>>314361
>This is why you lose every time.
Who?
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 No.314376

>>314368
I've given numerous examples.

>>314362

Disgust is entirely relevant in social behaviour as it relates to personal and by extension public health. If you wish to interject some argument about productive relations you're welcome to. Of course the reason none of you have so far is simply because it's pretty silly
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 No.314380

>>312155
>>312135
>Wah wah people who are trans vote
Adult diaper wearers also vote. Is the sky falling, then, too?
>muh degeneracy
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 No.314382

>>314375

Disgust is indeed applied in many ways. But fair enough.

>>314371

You. Our ideals were crushed. Yours were given a fair run out, and found wanting by your own people. At no point did your ideals become the fundamental basis of any state except perhaps today's China which is currently more national socialist than anywhere.
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 No.314384

File: 1623514642156.jpg (40.03 KB, 552x423, 1623270170495.jpg)

>>314376
>numerous examples
<examples are now a replacement for evidence
Kek.
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 No.314387

File: 1623514729551.png (29.03 KB, 474x441, ClipboardImage.png)

>>314376
No. Public health is about just that, health. Keeping people alive and keeping people dead. Sanitation is an example of activities that falls under that, but not the alpha and omega of it. Also, personal health and public health are related but qualitatively different, because one operates at the individual level while the other operates at the social one. Picrel.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.eqDeKHpatPRJtAZjSp9ncAHaG5%26pid%3DApi&f=1
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 No.314389

This is the most cancerous thread
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 No.314390

>>314380

No one said that.

>>314384

Kek Indeed. Hey some people wear diapers m'kay kids? We live in a society.
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 No.314395

>>314382
>mfw when capitalist encirclement and subversion exacerbating internal weaknesses and structural problems means “our ideas” were rejected by the people
>mfw when SWCC isn’t actually a capitalist mixed economy with red banners
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 No.314398

>>314387

Absolutely ridiculous. Personal health follows a direct line.
A drug addict must not leave syringes lying in the street
People with personal gastrointestinal problems must not just "go" in public areas.
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 No.314399

>>314387
>from being dead
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 No.314400

>>314398
If there’s no trash or public toilets, that don’t make a difference.
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 No.314404

>>314338
I hope you know the person who suggested washing your hands before surgery was ridiculed out of the medicinal community:
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 No.314407

>>314395

Capitalist encirclment and subversion? Your system was never taken on by choice by any state or people in Europe in the first place.
And today these countries are closer to us than ever. Why? Because our ideals are natural, healthy and make sense.
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 No.314410

File: 1623515203071.jpg (13.76 KB, 255x247, 1623083700817.jpg)

>>314382
>>314376
>>314361
>>314359
>>314357
>>314351
>>314348
>>314338
>>314326
>>314322
>>314316
>>314311
>>314308
>>314302
>>314279
>>314273
>>314269
>>314259
>>314250
>>314238
>>314225
>>314207
>>314177
Fucking shit. We know what you are trying to do. You are trying to equate uyghurs to dirt which frankly is so fucking funny and so completely detached from reality that it is no coincidence that your ideas find no approvel in wider society. Maybe in your own little /pol/ bubble but for fucks sake: /pol/ is not the real world. Just admit it. You lost. The other "feels over reals" guy already got btfo and left the thread and I assume this board. Just do the same. Please. You are not as smart as you think you are.
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 No.314414

>>314407
>What was the Russian Revolution? The Cuban Revolution? Even the parliamentarian Communist Parties from West Bengal to Northern Italy?
Capitalism is natural? Funny, people thought the same thing about the divine right of kings.
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 No.314415

>>314410

No we don't think those people are especially dirty. This was never our outlook. In fact, we are ready to make friends with all races as we did before. All we ask is that people are honest and each other's existence.


>>314404

Indeed. People have been committed to asylums for saying the unsayable.
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 No.314420

>>314414

Imposed insults on the population.
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 No.314421

>>314273
>entice the working class
Marxism isn't when you try and opportunistically flatter the working class rather then have them understand.
>>314311
>If the petty booj are tomorrow's proles then what's your problem with the petty booj?
And the bourgeoisie of today could very well fall to the level of the prole as well. Its not an argument for them though.
>>314359
>Statements without evidence or example are dismissed.
What he stated is literally how the system works in terms of competing with other capitalists, and becoming one yourself. Are you denying that if one wants to climb the echelons of class, he must compete with and step over others to do so, only to then eventually engage in the processes of the capitalist proper?
>>314382
>You. Our ideals were crushed. Yours were given a fair run out, and found wanting by your own people. At no point did your ideals become the fundamental basis of any state except perhaps today's China which is currently more national socialist than anywhere.
What are you talking about? People literally voted to preserve the USSR, and it was undone regardless. Fascist states tended to suicide themselves in terms of the actual system, and it isn't really a mark of pride to get yourself killed early on because your economy is entirely unsustainable and so needs to engage in territorial acquisitions to pay off debt. China is in no way national socialist as well, it's entirely cope to try and make this arguement.
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 No.314423

File: 1623515607663.jpg (6.66 KB, 188x250, 1623108102722.jpg)

>>314415
>No we don't think those people are especially dirty. This was never our outlook. In fact, we are ready to make friends with all races as we did before. All we ask is that people are honest and each other's existence.
Aaand he is backtracking already. Ok guys. This is it. No need to make the thread any longer.
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 No.314424

>>314420
You mean like the Bengal Famine and the Partition? It was the Communists, btw, who instituted Operation Barga.

Talk to actual russians in russia about 1991. The ones who lived through what was there before and had to live through what came after.
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 No.314427

">Statements without evidence or example are dismissed.
What he stated is literally how the system works in terms of competing with other capitalists, and becoming one yourself. Are you denying that if one wants to climb the echelons of class, he must compete with and step over others to do so, only to then eventually engage in the processes of the capitalist proper? "

Absolutely I am denying that. Absolutely. Any successful trade or engineering career is not stepping over anyone. Neither does a soldier, a nurse, a doctor. People work, and advance in knowledge, then fulfill bigger roles.
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 No.314430

>>314415
You should be in one for having a double digit IQ. Learning to wash one’s hands is something that had to be taught to humanity over the centuries, as evidenced by how unpopular it was to wash one hands before surgery.
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 No.314432

>>314407
>Capitalist encirclment and subversion? Your system was never taken on by choice by any state or people in Europe in the first place.
The Bolsheviks were literally massively supported by the worker soviets, that's why the mensheviks walked out of the provisional government and the Bolsheviks were able to lay claim with their Soviet support. If revolution inherently denies being taken on by choice, then practically no government or economic system in history has been taken by choice.
>And today these countries are closer to us than ever. Why? Because our ideals are natural, healthy and make sense.
In what way? You state this, but there's no actual basis for it.
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 No.314435

>>314423

You accused me of trying to state that black people are dirty. I denied saying that. No n backtracking at all. No amount of big thread announcements will stop anyone seeing this response
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 No.314436

>>314427
>Absolutely I am denying that. Absolutely. Any successful trade or engineering career is not stepping over anyone. Neither does a soldier, a nurse, a doctor. People work, and advance in knowledge, then fulfill bigger roles.
We're talking about the petty bourgeoisie you idiot. Also, I'm literally in trades. People step over each other all the time to be competitive.
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 No.314441

>>314436
Sonic-Anon’s a distributist petty-booj PoS, fyi.
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 No.314448

>>314441
Who gives a shit?

Just stop engaging the lobotomite.
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 No.314451

>>314448
Do it for the lurkers. Do it do sharpen your own rhetorical skills and understanding. Do it for each other.
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 No.314454

>>314444
> Nor do they run unsustainable economies that must be paid for by war.
What happened to the gold reserves of countries occupied by fascist powers in WW2?
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 No.314456

>>314444
> Do you really think that the same people who made propaganda against commies like you couldn't do so against us?
1. Mask off
2. Laughs in Franco
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 No.314457

>>314444
What propoganda is there? Nazi Germany literally expanded constantly in the name of living space.
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 No.314458

>>314451
I don't think anyone reads this, it just makes the thread unreadable.
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 No.314468

>>314463
>Generalplan Ost isn't real
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 No.314470

>>314444
>They certainly did in Russia after the ussr began to collapse. Did the rest of Europe pine for a return? No. They plotted their own course.
The majority of the rest of Europe was literally capitalist. And it wasn't only Russia that supported the preservation of the USSR.
>Fascist states never suicide themselves. Nor do they run unsustainable economies that must be paid for by war. That's literally anti nazi propaganda. Do you really think that the same people who made propaganda against commies like you couldn't do so against us? It's time you all grew up and stopped just accepting things.
Anon, you just accept anti-communist propaganda, so you have no leg to stand on here. I'm not basing my statements on something I was taught in school, barely anybody ever talks about the Nazi economy when discussing WW2. Read Wages of Destruction and War and Economy in the Third Reich.
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 No.314472

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 No.321567

>>314468
It really wasn't. Plenty of Slavs were allowed to join the Waffen SS.
>>312079
>Also didn't happen.
Yes it did. Partisan fighters in Finland did this all the time.
http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=40816
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 No.321626

>>321567
>It really wasn't. Plenty of Slavs were allowed to join the Waffen SS.
That literally doesn't disprove Generalplan Ost, just like the confederacy utilizing black regiments doesn't disprove their overall war goals or their overall view of blacks. And Himmler literally also thought that a few people of other races could possess Aryan souls that upon their death in the field would return to the closest Aryan too them, which is why he was open to accepting "special" members of other "races" into the SS outside of the need to also increase their numbers during occupation.
>Yes it did. Partisan fighters in Finland did this all the time.
Note how the person in that thread literally has zero proof for his claims that partisans went out of their way to target and execute children, and gets entirely called out for it.
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 No.321628

File: 1623829073455-0.png (281.97 KB, 675x631, Stalin.PNG)

File: 1623829073455-1.png (484.11 KB, 960x907, USSR.png)

>>321567
Slavic nationalists, Far-righters Nazis, Anticommunists no matter what they do still can't change reality.
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 No.321634

Fascism (at least the modern computer-chair permutation) embraces the role of disgust, even going so far as to use it as evidence of something being bad (e.g. 'normal' people are disgusted by homosexuality, which must be a meaningful survival technique, therefore homosexuality must be wrong). It plays into the fallacy that human nature is right, as if any living human body isn't just an advanced, extended coping mechanism that happened to have work out up until the present, and as if instinct is a reliable source of truth.
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 No.321650

>>321634
>as if instinct is a reliable source of truth
It is. The only people that disagree with this are literal autists.
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 No.321651

>>321650
>It is. The only people that disagree with this are literal autists.
Literal "Feels > Reals" logic.
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 No.321652

>>321651
where do feelings come from?
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 No.321661

>>321634
Anyone who's done engineering, programming or an analogy knows first hand how far an system that works usually is from a correct or even a good system.
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 No.321662

>>321650
>what is an illusion
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 No.321667

>>321652
>Implying feelings are the same as instincts
Chemical interactions if we're going to be ultra-reductionist about it.
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 No.321685

File: 1623835191445.jpg (103.91 KB, 1500x991, jogging spooky.jpg)

>>310503
>who was killed by a farm worker by jogging
what does that mean ?
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 No.321694

File: 1623836333368.jpg (2.89 KB, 111x107, wtf_sunglasses.jpg)

>>311552
The problem with logical thinking is that the human mind is not capable of modeling something so complex as the inner workings of society, morality or nature without error or bias. This inevitably leads to absurd and anti-human believes in their final conclusion after dozens of smaller mistake accumulate. In contrast a disgust response is the result of evolutionary pressures going through countless iterations of trial and error until we end up with an emotion that "just works". It was shaped to assist us by forces that are far more beautiful and capable than human logic.

this is literally feels > reals

why the fuck did anyone take fascists seriously
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 No.321711

>>321650
>>321650
>>as if instinct is a reliable source of truth
>It is. The only people that disagree with this are literal autists.
Is there a book on Marxist epistemology that can cure this type of thinking?
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 No.321712

>>311552
>Make someone drunk (close to a primal state without "logic"), show them pictures of homos, interaical couples or transhumanists and they will wince in disgust.
I literally do this to myself because I enjoy it. /pol/ famously loves mixed race cuck porn. "Shemale" porn is one of the most sought after categories of porn.
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 No.321806

>>321650
I hope you know that humans have the most advanced frontal cortex for a reason.
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 No.321813

File: 1623845224243.jpg (92.61 KB, 685x627, EkaTwEvWMAAft4O.jpg)

>>321662
>>321694
>>321711
>>321712
When you believe in SOYENCE, FACTS and LOGIC but refuse to accept that evolution shaped the way people feel about your degenerate lifestyle.
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 No.321817

>>321813
>When you believe in SOYENCE, FACTS and LOGIC but refuse to accept that evolution shaped the way people feel about your degenerate lifestyle.

You idiot, Science and logic are far superior to instinct especially in complex situations like judging whether a lifestyle is "degenerate" or not.
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 No.321818

>>321813
Uphold Gay Anarcho-Zionist thought.
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 No.321821

File: 1623845677471.jpg (30.56 KB, 378x602, Ekp5VY8U8AE3AYK.jpg)

>>321817
It's by no means difficult to detect degeneracy
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 No.321825

>>321813
Anti-Ds are not left but rather far-right.
>>321821
you are domesticated.
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 No.321830

>>321813
Pic related is satire…
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 No.321856

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 No.321859

>>321856
you are american
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 No.321870

File: 1623849605168.jpg (38.68 KB, 750x503, relative.jpg)

>>321712
From my observations in bars, pubs and clubs, more people have sex with crossdressers, trans and 'non-preferred' sexual partners when they're drunk.

>>321856
>pic related is a race-obsessed retard and we mocked them to make it obvious that their racism is absurd.
how exactly do you think this is relevant to our peruvian anti-identity forum?
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 No.321877

File: 1623849958866.jpeg (35.08 KB, 385x600, second only to white juch….jpeg)

>>321856
>as if
sjws are pro-palestine and rainbowfags are anti-conservative, you literal american
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 No.321882

>>321813
People who rely on their instincts and sensation (in the jungian sense) tend to not really have a whole lot of moral fiber to them. Whether you really are such an instinct based creature or just pretending to be one is something I don't know, but you seem like a rather stupid person to me for either ignoring your capability to see beyond your own instincts or your own gut feelings.
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 No.321891

File: 1623850638134.jpg (43.2 KB, 474x474, satanism.jpg)

>>321882
>either ignoring your capability to see beyond your own instincts or your own gut feelings.
Why should i do that anyway? "Why yes i would love to live amongst mentally ill gay retards and pedophiles lest i be a bigot!"
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 No.321893

>>321891
You can live wherever you want, if you got the cash, but remember you will always be an american, you can never stop being american.
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 No.321896

>>321891
You always bring up the pedos but fail to realize that a lot of socially conservative people molest kids, in fact I believe they do so more often than the transhumanists who just dress up like weirdos.
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 No.321898

>>321891
Why do you think we want that? This board opposes degeneracy and idpol in general.
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 No.321899

>>321891
>"Why yes i would love to live amongst mentally ill gay retards and pedophiles lest i be a bigot!"

LOL, THE FAR-RIGHT HAS A FAR GREATER RATE OF PAEDOPHILIA THEN THE LGBTO COMMUNITY



https://web.archive.org/web/20210109172410/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/1059488.html
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/56299.html

>>321896
The Neo-Nazis are the most perverted degenerates on earth, all their paedo is projecting.
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 No.321909

>>321896
>tfw no trad catholic priest husbando
;_;
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 No.321917

File: 1623851629268.jpg (48.98 KB, 486x523, qTina.jpg)

>>321891
>playing dress ups is satanism
I don't get it.
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 No.321944

File: 1623852564897.png (1.36 MB, 1300x1600, a31370582a50e4b076c1cf1f52….png)

>>321896
>a lot of socially conservative people molest kids
thats why you can see so many conservatives promoting gay pride stripping children…oh wait
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 No.321953

>>321944
>what are child beauty pageants
but I'm actually more disturbed that you consider the picture you attached to be sexual. That's actually fucked up and any self-respecting fascist would shoot you as quickly as we would.
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 No.321955

>>321944
Ignore reality all you want. Do you think pretending not to know how crime works is convincing?
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 No.321957

>>321953
>child beauty pageants
thanks for proving my point pedo
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 No.321959

File: 1623853251872.jpg (2.3 MB, 1500x3400, 1620569492734.jpg)

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 No.321963

>>321957
child beauty pageants are notoriously a white conservative american tradition. it doesn't prove your point, pedo.
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 No.321966

File: 1623853395801.jpg (2.3 MB, 1500x3400, 1620569492734.jpg)

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 No.321968

>>321963
>legit child beauty protests is equivalent to stripping
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 No.321969

File: 1623853493394.jpg (2.3 MB, 1500x3400, 1620569492734.jpg)

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 No.321977

>>321969
3/4 of that pic is based tho
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 No.321981

File: 1623853845857.jpg (2.3 MB, 1500x3400, 1620569492734.jpg)

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 No.321987

>>321968
>legit child beauty protests is equivalent to stripping
<tfw youre conservative so you must stand up for conservatives no matter how heinous they are
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 No.321992

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 No.321995

>>321987
it's weird and borderline pedo, but nowhere near as bad as showering kids with cash while they strip on pride parades and everyone that attends that shit is a leftist
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 No.322059

>>311552
>the human mind is not powerful enough to model the inner workings of society etc
>but the people i modeled in my head totally hate the gays and the blacks
its genuinely hard to determine if someone posting with the funny flag is false flagging or not. this is beyond parody, how can you be so fucking domesticated into believing in this fairy tale of the 50s coke advertisement fantasy world and at the same time calling people bugmen
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 No.322731

>>321995
>it's weird and borderline pedo, but nowhere near as bad as showering kids with cash while they strip on pride parades
It's effectively the same thing. I've also never heard of kids stripping at pride parades, at least anywhere near where I live.
>everyone that attends that shit is a leftist
Proof?
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 No.322738

>>321821
>It's by no means difficult to detect degeneracy
If a trans person is entirely passing and attractive, while also not having surgery, is it degenerate or not? Becuase three-quarters of the far-right is going to have a hard time if it is.
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 No.322742

File: 1623882372116.png (1.43 MB, 893x894, 1577759642581.png)

Stop being transgener
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 No.322743

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 No.322757

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 No.322772

>>321995
>Mfw nazoids don’t want kids at pride parades because they should only be molested at home by their patriarch or uncles.
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 No.322806

if you support bringing illegal immigrants into your country, and you actively take part in making that happen, you are literally, and i mean L I T E R A L Y responsible for them
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 No.322811

File: 1623886251727.jpg (39.23 KB, 680x340, Studieren.jpg)

>>322810
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 No.322814

>>322806
>Mfw not every illegal is a rapist murderer
>Mfw it’s not just about “illegals”
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 No.322836

>>322834
Ironic, considering you guys literally made a cult going against what you perceive to be a cabal of peso elites.
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 No.322837

>>322836
Forgot to take off my shitposting flag.
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 No.322838

Forgot again lmao. Porky moment!

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