>>475356>If anti-communists believe in it, it must be wrong
This is most ass backward troll logic I’ve ever seen. Both sides of the argument support the fact of Stalin having disdain of his own worship. Something that the only people who fought against it having personal political goals against him. >listing three place that was named after him before the official ban in 1934
Can you read or do you not know how governmental bureaucracy works? One you go through the absolute nightmare of changing a city’s name, changing it back will take the same amount of horrible effort, especially in the context of Stalin was still handling the effects of preparing for the coming war and reforming the military after the reorganization of the purge. I’m surprised he even have the time to issue the ban in the first place. Or do you expect him to personally go to every single city named after him to tell them to change it back with a memorandum?
Based on the sloppy links you’ve given me most of the results are just you searching about things that named after Stalin and then copying the Russian language wiki to make them feel more legit. Do you expect more to make an honest rebuttal to such sad effort clearly in bad faith. Reminder that I’m not even a Stalinist here. I’m just making an obvious comparison that somehow angered you for some reason.>Don't be a fucking retard, khruschevites were literally rewriting history to suit their needs - including altering memoirs. <Khrushchev personally changed history to suit his need 1984 style
Hey I’m only using Occam’s razor here. So in your mind you think that literally everyone
wants to portray Stalin to be against his cult of personality. From political opportunists Khrushchev (who needs to bad mouth Stalin to get ahead), out of favor old supporters like Molotov and even western cold warrior historians (who have little to no reason to give Stalin a good nuance light). But then for what reason? Why do they want to say that?
There’s literally no motivation behind the grand conspiracy you’re insinuating. Shouldn’t Khrushchev talk more about Stalin’s god complex more like his secret speech? Why rewrite Molotov’s memoir when the guy is still alive? Why does Molotov needs to rewrite anything related to Stalin when he got sidelined by the old Stalin a few years before his death? Shouldn’t western historians do the same to make him more of a maniacal villain?
Or maybe, just maybe because most of his actions had nothing even remotely close to a support of his worship and all parties involved with even his political enemies can see that. You don’t need to be a genius to draw this simple conclusion. And come on now, I’m an honest to Marx Khrushchevite here and even I know the lovable retard wasn’t that competent or powerful. If he was, he wouldn’t get himself dumbstruck when he realized Brezhnev had coup’ed him on a morning to work.>Even then EVERYONE RED who participated in Civil War got cities named after them, except for Trotsky, Tukhachevsky and people like that. >This whole bullshit with "Stalin against his cult" should look incredibly fishy from the get go to anyone who saw Revolutionary names of Soviet-Russian cities, because it just contradicts "historians" claims.
Make up your mind mate. Throughout your posts you have contradicted yourself multiple times now. If everyone in the civil war had their names put on locations, then would that make everyone with a cult on their own. Which then brings back to my argument about Lenin streets. They were used because simply names of monarch would be incredibly idiotic in the context of that time. If that’s the case why bring up the cities with Stalin as the name?>Jesus christ, Stalin was ordering to dig a channel bearing his name! Don't be a goddamn retard, falling for stupidest propaganda.
Ah yes the propaganda of western historians to make Stalin look good how could I forget! And here I thought that anti-communists often want to portray communist leaders as egomaniacal men who wanted to put themselves in everything like Big Brother. I guess I was wrong, most anti-communist historians actually love Stalin so much they build him up as a selfless professional politician with their anti-communist propaganda!
And on the channel. You mean the Baltic Sea canal that most just call it that? Funny how it got its name changed more than half a decade after Khrushchev was in power. The efficiency or lack there of of Soviet bureaucracy makes the argument you made up top meaningless yet again. Funny you didn’t even post the links for this one since it just makes you look like a fool.>Lolno, those "multiple sources" are extremely narrow and rare. Khruschevites were sowing fbi.govs between stalinists at the time, and there's plenty of claims that Stalin was attacking Voroshilov and his other closest people. Why WOULDN"T khruschevites claim that Stalin was against his own cult?
When those sources are from the west and east alike my man. You haven’t even addressed the most important one that is the dozens of speeches Stalin made in the 30s and 40s going against leader worship as it was unsocialist. Ah yes, you continue your rebuttal with another impossible to falsify conspiracy theory about the supposed intelligent cornholio using tactics to divide Stalinists while making himself look bad. Such 69d chess moves! You do understand that most people on Stalin’s side supported his policies instead of him right?>You have not even a clue who Lenin was for USSR! Morn his death? Seriously? Look at North Koreans crying over their dead Leader. Are you going to say that before his death there was no veneration, no statues of him, no his books, no nothing? That crying was the thing that started "worship"? Get your brain straight
Why are you talking about North Korea? We’re talking about Lenin in the specific context of the USSR here. Where as you’ve said above named everything after Russian civil war figures from generals to bureaucrats. Having statues and streets for Lenin (the man that basically helmed the formation of the USSR the first socialist state in existence in the world) isn’t the same as that but a cult? Really now!
Also get my brain straight? Buddy, I’m not the guy with a western pro Stalinist conspiracy in his brain while constantly contradicting myself in every paragraph. I think if you continue this obviously schizophrenic behavior I should just let you post more to make yourself more of a clown. At least it’ll offer more content than mindless bump posts.