/SEA/ - Southeast Asia General Anonymous 2021-07-13 (Tue) 13:50:55 No. 374637 [Last 50 Posts]
5th Edition: Real succdem hour edition
Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, Myanmar breaking apart or just random shit. There’r still dozens of us… hopefully!
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Can anyone clarify if Laos considers itself a socialist country? What is their position regarding Vietnam and China? How is the economy?
Anonymous 2021-07-25 (Sun) 16:32:58 No. 401087
>>383501 touch some grass bro
Tetra4Anon 2021-07-25 (Sun) 16:38:35 No. 401104
>>383501 >east turkestan >independent tibet >republic of china FYMP/FYDC
Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 08:29:14 No. 402983
>>391855 >For, China it’s a love/hate relationship. They’re one of our biggest economic partners, but they’re also the biggest economic saboteurs. However the territorial schism has made it leaning more toward hate. Then why spend day in day out dabbing on dengbros?
Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 08:57:12 No. 403005
>>402983 Because SEAsian has met and dealt with Chinese mainlanders to know that Chinese socialism is highly overrated all the time.
Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 16:45:17 No. 405133
Shout out to Philippines for winning their first gold.
Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 17:52:00 No. 407383
Redpill me on the current opposition in Malaysia. Are they any good?
>>402983 Because I’m not a dengoid. I’m not satisfied with another welfare democracy with red paint of today because there’s still so much to be done not only in my country but for the region as a whole. The rich still gets richer and the workers still get less. Plus the market economy has always been a capitalist influence on the country that needs to be ruled out. The end.
I mean if all ruling parties in SEA suddenly change their names to The communist party of [insert country name here] while keeping their policies of minor welfare with neoliberal characteristics intact, you Westerners would go full idiocy to wholeheartedly support them. Hell, a lot already did with Duterte when he simped for China.
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 17:55:16 No. 407388
>>407383 PSM is pretty based and DAP is the local succdem party.
Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 11:28:05 No. 408944
Sgbros… :(
Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 11:32:57 No. 408946
Why isn't this thread as active as the others?
Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 11:33:57 No. 408948
>>400317 Moonies and their parallels in Korea and Japan are an actual CIA operation.
Their meant to channel hatred of capitalism into hippy trippy new age shit and praying to jesus.
eureka Eureka Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 11:34:24 No. 408949
>>408946 There are dozens of us … dozens!
Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 11:58:41 No. 408976
>>408946 One there’s not many active posters, most just lurk around. We used to have posters from Thailand and the Philippines but they seemed to have left.
Second there’s just not many SEAnon period. We probably have at most 10 people on the thread at all time.
>>408944 How’s the new lockdown measures?
Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 12:01:15 No. 408977
>>408976 Fuck the new lockdown measures. Who gives a fuck? Focus on the real problem here. Our golden boy lost before going into the semifinals.
Sian as fuck right now.
Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 12:01:15 No. 408978
>>383368 Reminder that my country (Netherlands) tried to bleed Soekarno dry to try and turn him unfavorable in the west, and ruined the lives of many Dutch-Indonesian people that tried to show journalistic integrity about post-colonial Indonesia.
Whenever Dutch journalists would speak to him it would always be him vs us, blaming the independence war on Soekarno, when Soekarno loved the Dutch people and wanted to strengthen the severed ties.
egoism Egoism Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 14:33:20 No. 409162
>>408976 >How’s the new lockdown measures? I'm mostly just mad they shut the gyms again, and the convoluted assistance schemes they rolled out are a confusing mess that might net me a few hundred bucks if I even qualified.
Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 14:35:33 No. 409165
>>408978 They have did it. In the New Order government there is a strict de-Sukarnoization policy with renamings and political suppression of his family.
Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 05:08:32 No. 410483
>>408978 >Soekarno loved the Dutch people and wanted to strengthen the severed ties. But that’s the problem. We now have the power of retrospection, and now it’s clear that decolonization must be done through revolutionary means. Independence is something you fought for with blood and sweat, not something given peacefully.
Connecting the severed ties will just make Indonesia be like any francophone countries in Africa, perpetually reliant on the neocolonialists for everything.
The will of an imperial power always goes completely against any attempt at independence. Trying to parlay with them is basically digging your own shallow grave. See the fate of Aung San in Burma. Or how the socialist were retroactively wiped from history of Malayan independence.
Soekarno’s doom was inevitable because he at heart was a social democrat that held to power through the 3 mutually hostile force (the militant Muslim, the fascist military and the electoral communists). The CIA only needed to nudge a bit and everything came falling down.
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 09:34:59 No. 410740
>>410483 > Or how the socialist were retroactively wiped from history of Malayan independence. Word. Anglos really fucked us over with the handling of the independence. Fuck you Anglos.
Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 23:12:15 No. 411797
Looks like Chan O-Cha is opting for containing the news about the pandemic rather than the pandemic itself.
>Thailand implemented new regulations on Friday that appeared to broaden the government’s ability to restrict media reports and social media posts about the coronavirus pandemic, raising immediate concerns that authorities will seek to stifle criticism. >It also gives Thai regulators the ability to force internet service providers to turn over the IP address of the person or entity distributing such news, and to “suspend the internet service to that IP address immediately.” https://apnews.com/article/business-health-media-coronavirus-pandemic-ebbe28f11fb5a2f12b6663522a148765 Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 03:19:39 No. 412107
>>411797 this Ministry of Truth shit in SEA sucks tbh.
Anonymous 2021-08-02 (Mon) 10:17:02 No. 417684
Bump for the olympics gold
Anonymous 2021-08-02 (Mon) 11:34:04 No. 417734
>>417690 Still can’t believe that China lost in badminton of all things. Crazy.
Anonymous 2021-08-02 (Mon) 15:29:34 No. 418094
smh Singapore is gonna get rekt by China tomorrow. :(
Anonymous 2021-08-02 (Mon) 15:44:27 No. 418140
>>417734 Indonesians are onto badminton and soccer.
>>418103 Cringe
Anonymous 2021-08-02 (Mon) 16:19:23 No. 418247
>>418103 at least it's shortstack porn
Anonymous 2021-08-03 (Tue) 13:14:08 No. 420693
>>420690 Apparently our fields aren't as wide and spacious as theirs
Anonymous 2021-08-03 (Tue) 21:45:20 No. 421391
>>418094 We got wrecked already. Couldn’t care less.
>>420690 Australia will never be able to expand that outside of a LARPing hobby. The water sources over there is scarce enough as it is. Plus grain is a hugely low profit commodity. It’s not a cash crop by any mean.
>>418247 >literal fat children porn Short stack is a worse fetish than scat.
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-08-04 (Wed) 03:57:04 No. 421965
>>421391 Don't know about Xi's land, but I want huge, and hi-tech equipments for doing rice paddle field in Socialist countries which depend on rice.
saged 2021-08-04 (Wed) 09:22:35 No. 422509
bumped
Anonymous 2021-08-07 (Sat) 13:35:53 No. 428878
BREAKING Greysia and Aprilia, both gold medalists of this year's Olympics, awarded Rp. 5B, cows, a restaurant, and a house.
https://www.the-sun.com/sport/3410945/indonesia-olympic-gold-badminton-cows-meatball-restaurant-cash/ Anonymous 2021-08-07 (Sat) 14:34:30 No. 428963
>>428878 It's no surprise, just another distraction tactics to divert current conflicts.
Anonymous 2021-08-07 (Sat) 14:36:42 No. 428971
>>428959 Umm… what the heck do you mean???
Anonymous 2021-08-07 (Sat) 14:40:14 No. 428975
>>428920 >i will not sell then why did you buy stocks
Anonymous 2021-08-07 (Sat) 16:15:59 No. 429106
>>428911 Pandemic mismanagement and the government is collapsing.
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 05:10:04 No. 430409
>>428920 >>428946 >>428959 Who the heck are you? And are you even from SEA?
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 05:20:43 No. 430418
where the SEA politics at
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 05:22:05 No. 430420
>>430418 IKR?
Why has this thread gone into a backwater, a sleepy one I guess, with no activity despite this being 12:25PM in my place right here?
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 05:33:16 No. 430436
Question, how is Vietnam viewed by the Rest of South East Asia(specially Malaysia and Indonesia) I remember reading Lee Kwan Yew's book where the popular serotypes about the Vietnamese was that they were militaristic and arrogant after defeating the Americans and Chinese
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 05:38:10 No. 430439
>>430436 >Indonesian here They are none other than our neighbors, we never antagonized them, in fact we indirectly supported Vietnam by acting harsh against China on the SCS issue (in other words we and Vietnam oppose China's SCS ambitions, we have the same stance)
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 05:50:41 No. 430449
>>430439 Yes but how are Vietnamese people viewed here, what's the Stereotype
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 07:12:30 No. 430517
>>428920 Not even a dengoid but isn’t reddit are full of them lately? GenZedong is basically a dengist hive.
>>428946 Squatting in the local park isn’t guerrilla war bro.
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 07:20:50 No. 430524
>>430418 Kind of a big teeter totter. Internationally no country want to pick sides because the concurrent arraignment is so profitable. Domestically it’s a constant tug of war between the liberals and the socdems. Liberals introduce some retarded market reforms, immediate pushback happens, then the socdems have to come out to appease the masses.
Last time it happened here was when a bunch of people in the National Assembly try vouch for more liberal labor laws and extension to retirement age.
>>429106 How’s the vaccine coverage rate now?
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 07:35:30 No. 430540
>>430494 >Indonesia is brazil tier Well except in Leftypol, where I'm the sole indonesian here I guess…
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 07:42:25 No. 430543
>>430449 Oh, good question. We treat them as your usual netizens, not acting like retards.
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 07:52:25 No. 430551
>>381407 >>381271 Virtually all of Indonesia's major parties are rooting for China, even its Muslim organizations follow suit by visiting Xinjiang. Which is kind of based.
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 08:08:45 No. 430570
>>430551 The whole thing with Xinjiang was bullshit anyway. The camps are so much less brutal than the Japanese interment camps in ww2 and the current camps for migrants. China just has bad PR.
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 08:49:20 No. 430606
>>430570 IKR! Even one leader said that those camps are like your usual pesantren (Islamic schools).
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 09:40:35 No. 430650
>>430524 Very poor, i think they hit 1 million infected?
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 09:51:45 No. 430663
>>430524 Indonesia is at 8.5%
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 09:52:32 No. 430665
>>430494 Why isn't there Singapore on that list?
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 09:56:55 No. 430670
>>430665 Nobody cares about us :(
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 10:07:00 No. 430681
>>430672 They should be in Nguyen tier btw
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 10:43:45 No. 430733
>>430498 I hate that you're right. As much I hate Muhyiddin it's not clear that he actually believes in anything other than being in office. I suspect it's the same for Filipinos and Indonesians as well.
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 10:45:34 No. 430735
>>430733 Recently there’s a trend here called #DayaRusakJokowiLuarBiasa, it’s basically calling out Jokowi’s failures during the presidency. Indonesia actually became more conservative and nationalistic as time passes (to appease boomer Muslim ulemas), but at least he banned FPI last December though.
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 10:46:07 No. 430737
>>430663 Same. Probably gonna get my 2nd shot next week. Working at a quarantine center now.
>>430681 It so annoying that most Vietnamese people only have a presence on fedbook. That site sucks ass.
>>430540 Are there any Indonesian image boards?
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 10:51:10 No. 430741
>>430737 So far none. My friends only used Instagram and Line most of the time (Line is mostly for school stuff), my mom has a Facebook account (she’s born in 1976), and some of my friends used Twitter too. I don’t know if some of them used Reddit, and they definitely don’t use Kaskus (a local forum). None of my friends used 4chan, nor they know anything about it, let alone Leftypol. There are currently no Indonesian image boards (formerly there is Indochan but since it has long been dead).
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 10:57:00 No. 430753
>>430737 I’m getting my shot later this year (I contracted Covid, and it takes approximately 8 weeks before you can get vaxxed).
Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 11:29:15 No. 430787
>>430753 How’s the symptoms for you? Recently I heard of an entire family in the province I’m work dying of covid with the matriarch stricken with survivor’s guilt. Depressing shit.
>>430741 The only Vietnamese image board I knew of died with 8chan. Comfy place.
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-08-08 (Sun) 11:39:46 No. 430794
>>430787 I just got flu like-symptoms, but the first night of quarantine riddled me with headache, and slight muscle pains came thereafter. I have no difficulty breathing.
ONALLFOURS 2021-08-09 (Mon) 00:35:32 No. 432344
WHO'S CELEBRATING THEIR INDEPENDENCE DAY THIS MONTH?
Anonymous 2021-08-09 (Mon) 00:42:46 No. 432390
>>432344 Clearly not Malaysia lmao
Anonymous 2021-08-09 (Mon) 02:55:04 No. 432950
>>432344 I am celebrating mine right now. Woooo Singapore woooo.
onallfours! 2021-08-09 (Mon) 15:19:48 No. 434095
>>432950 Yep! A big shoutout to you!
Eight days left and it's mine!
Anonymous 2021-08-09 (Mon) 15:49:45 No. 434134
>>434095 I dont care for it anyway. It is pretty bullshit.
Anonymous 2021-08-11 (Wed) 03:23:53 No. 438162
You guys still around?
Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 02:25:25 No. 440383
>>438555 This. Especially VietAnon, get in here!
onallfours 2021-08-12 (Thu) 07:40:56 No. 440861
>>440383 Not to forget your fellow red-and-white poster! Guess I'm the only Indonesian here…
ADA INDO GAK???? Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 10:05:29 No. 440926
>>440383 Already there bro
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 13:10:54 No. 441044
>>441007 Funny because phúc is one of the more economic driven person on the central committee and the politburo. His last tenure as the PM was all about pulling in more international investment. He was famous for his program of cementing the role of Assistance Governance of which the government only takes the role of guiding the market economy.
Another fun fact is that his policies stemmed from his education in economic management in the National University of Singapore.
viet_cong Viet Cong Anonymous 2021-08-13 (Fri) 14:06:07 No. 443092
https://newnaratif.com/false-scarcity-singapore-meritocracy/ thought this article might be interesting for Debbs who wrote about this same topic for new multitude
Anonymous 2021-08-14 (Sat) 02:13:10 No. 444186
based thread bump
Anonymous 2021-08-14 (Sat) 04:52:05 No. 444304
>>443092 >libshit who voice his frustration with being kicked out for giving everyone an A using Marxist buzzwords >the SMC being too autistic about the end course being too easy and experimental which has little to no bearing to the rest of the time studying Both are overblown and terrible in their own way. Another thing to note is how blunt they were to just not renew his contract. I guess this kind of dismissal is just completely alien to me in my country.
It’s also pretty amazing how the shell of meritocracy is still so well kept in Singapore while in most of the capitalist world it has completely collapsed.
Anonymous 2021-08-14 (Sat) 07:10:10 No. 444378
>>443092 It is pretty good, a very good expose on the micro level of meritocracy. I don't think I was able to be that detailed with how our meritocracy runs which is why I went for the macro-level route and explained the origins and flaws of meritocracy in theory, rather than in practice.
>>444304 The author is pretty much a radlib but tbf, a lot of Singapore leftists have to coat their politics under this veil in order to remain revelant. I know for a fact that the editor of that website himself, while does talk in a very radlib manner, has revealed to have had read Lenin and Luxemburg. His first foray into national promience was defending Lim Chin Siong's legacy in front of PAP.
Yea we don't even need to pretend or pussyfoot around here when things gets really political.
Anonymous 2021-08-16 (Mon) 08:52:17 No. 447495
>>447461 With the economic slump, the parliament in shambles and the pandemic worse than ever, it’s such a smart time for the old fucker to just bail like that. Probably so that he won’t get the blame if things get worse in the future. And it’s not only him but his entire cabinet as well. Like rats jumping off a sinking ship.
Anonymous 2021-08-16 (Mon) 10:16:55 No. 447578
>>447495 >>447461 He inherited a shitty situation anyway. They should just call a snap parliament to gain some legitimacy.
Anonymous 2021-08-16 (Mon) 10:22:17 No. 447583
>>447578 Isn’t the parliament under a gridlock situation right now? I thought this resignation was caused by the fact that nothing got passed and no one got the majority in the coalition?
Anonymous 2021-08-16 (Mon) 16:34:04 No. 447941
>>447583 The parliament has been in gridlock for years, that’s how that guy became the prime minister in the first place.
Anonymous 2021-08-17 (Tue) 02:28:19 No. 448831
Does anyone use the matrix?
Anonymous 2021-08-17 (Tue) 05:38:35 No. 449007
>>448291 Very frustrating that a lot of people marry the nation with the state, assuming allegiance to one means allegiance to another. Even the word ‘nation-state’ get glazed over the people.
Anonymous 2021-08-17 (Tue) 17:15:37 No. 449590
>>449315 What song is this from?
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 06:22:45 No. 450608
>>449590 First is Indonesia Raya and second is Te slavim Romanie (the latter is Leftypol’s “anthem”)
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 06:25:13 No. 450611
>>450604 Is Anwar really that good? He seems like a reformer but I doubt he is some succdem. He really is punished Bernie tier lol.
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 07:10:12 No. 450718
>>400337 Jakarta Method for info on indonesia
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 07:28:32 No. 450754
>>449007 Try over here where the word to describe national and ethnicity is the same word “dân tộc”. Making any literal translation reads like a proclamation for ethno states. I blame Sun Yatsen for this.
>>450604 What’s his policy program like?
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 07:36:48 No. 450761
>>400337 Communism is still heavily scrutinized but puji Tuhan I’ve found a small following back in 2019 of which I joined.
Anonymous 2021-08-19 (Thu) 05:43:00 No. 452283
>>451457 What logo may that be?
Anonymous 2021-08-19 (Thu) 06:21:03 No. 452315
>>452283 Barisan Sosialis of Singapore. A defunct party that comprised of the socialists who helped gained independence.
Anonymous 2021-08-20 (Fri) 02:42:57 No. 453831
>>450754 Chinese doesn't have a very sharp distinct between nation and state (although it is not as if the Anglo care that much either beyond academics)
I don't remember the details, but it is quite ironic that he was multicultural for his time.
Anonymous 2021-08-20 (Fri) 08:27:03 No. 454109
>>453831 >I don't remember the details, but it is quite ironic that he was multicultural for his time. Sun Yatsen’s thought was hugely influential for a lot of nationalist movements especially left nationalism due to his welfare oriented Three Principles. His 1 year being active in Sai Gon basically revived a new form of nationalism in Vietnam. Before that most anti-colonial movements were stuck in two major contradictions:
The first is the problem of nationalism being tied with the monarchy of which built itself with the help of the French and eventually were the cause of them taking over Indochina. Most previous movements got nowhere simply because the people hated the monarchy as much if not more than their colonial rulers. Since not only did the Nguyen dynasty destroy any capital development in the country for more than century but also attach itself with the already crumbling Qing empire. This made the republicanism of the Three Principles very appealing to the post-feudal disillusioned intellectual class.
The second problem was that under the rule of the French, they had begun using divide and conquer to crush any united resistance in the egg. The people are not only divided in ethnic, religious lines but also regional restrictions. Sun Yatsen’s non-ethnic nationalism was the cure to unite the disparate forces under a national line.
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 05:56:35 No. 456880
bump
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 09:07:32 No. 456954
>>454109 Yes, Sun Yat Sen is basically the embodiment of the French Revolution for Asia with his prioritization of nation above familial, ethnic, religious lines and even the current state.
It is why I don't think Singapore is functionally a nation since the idea of 'Singapore' are very tied to what the current regime advocated or suppress. It is why I am super into Singlish and its usage, since it is actively suppressed by the state and not something the elites use as part of their everyday lives. It is the bedrock of the national identify of Singapore that is yet to come.
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 13:04:33 No. 457125
>>456954 >Sun Yat Sen is basically the embodiment of the French Revolution for Asia This is a very good comparison I must say. However despite all the massive benefits that was brought about by Sun Yat-Sen’s thought especially in a creation of a national identity that rose above the petty feudalism of old (my country’s motto is basically taken directly from the 3 principles of the people), we also see what eventually was its problematic side of taking it too rigidly.
First the three principles stemmed from a lot of western nationalism and republican civil rights. Sun himself was particularly influenced by the Lincoln presidency. Because of this even though his version of nationalism is wholly beyond feudalistic divine rights of monarch of Confucianism, it is still enamored with the concept of a state as a bourgeois concentration of capital. Therefore a lot of modifications is needed to correctly apply this to a socialist revolution to avoid falling into the contradiction of national chauvinism.
Second is that after his death, the nationalistic tendencies was then used to justify an early form of imperialism practiced by the right KMT under Chiang and then many other anti-communist, national movements. That’s why his wide influence was later obfuscated by each of those countries own version of national identity. This in fact also led to the loose and fragmentary nature of the liberation of Indochina which of course then brought about plenty of other issues like how Vietnam was still working with the Kampuchea monarch even though at that point he had already showed to be killing and hunting communists in his country and only helped the north because of his ambitions of getting a chunk of land once the south fell. Or how we were so focused on the liberation of our own country that we didn’t even notice our Kampuchea comrades getting slaughtered when /pol/ pot coup’ed their party.
>It is why I don't think Singapore is functionally a nation since the idea of 'Singapore' are very tied to what the current regime advocated or suppress. Funny how similar this is to the national identity issues that face many LatAm countries. I think it is because Singapore nationalism itself is still keeping to the same mold that the British collaborating ruling class was given to them when the bongs left the island. Proletarian culture of Singapore, the only part that is genuine and materialistically creates by the local is still weighed down by the post colonial superstructure.
>It is why I am super into Singlish and its usage, since it is actively suppressed by the state and not something the elites use as part of their everyday lives. Strange that the only part that made the country dialect unique is suppressed in favor of the standard English. Thatcher’s ghost still haunts Singapore I guess ;)
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 21:23:51 No. 457753
tldr redpill on ho chi minh?
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 06:09:30 No. 458325
>>457125 didnt sun yat sen in his latter years go against some of his previous beliefs and started embracing increasing amounts of marxist leninist beliefs.
like the notion of a vanguard party, centralized state, increased beliefs in collectivism, disillusionment with western style democracy/ capitalism and etc
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 12:13:08 No. 458545
Do you think that Indonesia is on its way to fascism, considering its rampant nationalism, conservatism, and religiosity?Garuda Pancasila is in a very huge risk of becoming a hate symbol should they continue to act like that
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 16:30:19 No. 458924
>>457125 > I think it is because Singapore nationalism itself is still keeping to the same mold that the British collaborating ruling class was given to them when the bongs left the island. >Strange that the only part that made the country dialect unique is suppressed in favor of the standard English. Of course, because the elites in charge of Singapore are themselves educated in and by the west. They are Anglophiles of the highest order. I find it bitterly ironic that the conscription that this country so desperately tries to craft a national identify from is originally rejected by the Chinese middle schools, which jump-started the independence movement that led to the very same party in charge. Nothing that the government shows is uniquely Singaporean, because the people in charge are not uniquely Singaporean. Colonials may have left, but colonialism has not.
Also lowkey it is why foreigners often lament Singaporeans as cold, distant and bland, because they don't visit or see Singaporeans in their 'native' habitat, rather at more 'atas' or colonial areas like the Botanic Gardens (rather than East and West Coast Park like the people go to do park stuff) Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 23:03:49 No. 459464
>>457753 On the same scale of Castro with “doing nothing wrong”. However, he’s similar to Castro in which he’s an ardent patriot that believed in the building of socialism in one’s country rather than spreading it. Basically Stalin or Khrushchev’s school of socialism. Which of course later created problems for socialism in SEA as a whole being fragmented.
>>458545 >Indonesia is on its way to fascism >Implying it hasn’t been fascist since the new order Anti-communist paramilitaries still runs around over there. The country is still engaging in colonialism and the military never changed from the Suharto days.
>Garuda Pancasila is in a very huge risk of becoming a hate symbol Wasn’t it a symbol created by the Soekarno administration? I would think that in order from them to slip further into militarism they would use more new order iconography.
>>458325 Yeah he kinda did. But like many theorists, people often pick and choose things in specific time periods to justify their own political views. Also during the same time period the KMT continued their social democrat line of establishing a national central bank. This is even more apparent with the first article in the Sun - Joffe manifesto:
>Dr. Sun Yat-Sen believes that communist organizations and even the Soviet system cannot in fact be cited in China, because there is no situation in China that can make this communist or Soviet system succeed. Mr. Joffe fully agreed with this view, and believed that the most important and urgent issue for China was the success of the reunification of the Republic of China and the acquisition of complete national independence. Regarding this major cause, Mr. Joffe assured Dr. Sun that China deserves the most sincere sympathy from the Russian people and can rely on Russian aid. https://zh.m.wikisource.org/wiki/孫文越飛聯合宣言 I always thought of this period as Sun trying to be a crypto-communist to draw in help from the recently established USSR because of his desperate war against Yuan, not really for turning the KMT into a vanguard communist party. Plus the Soviet at this time was still going through NEP so they wouldn’t even have the force projection to change Sun’s mind.
>>458924 >because they don't visit or see Singaporeans in their 'native' habitat, rather at more 'atas' or colonial areas like the Botanic Gardens It’s like a facsimile version of the west got painted over everything. I think it’s not only came from education in the west but also a sense of attachment with the kind of rule the British once had over the island. They want to emulate that sense of absolute control and power over the populace as the British.
Anonymous 2021-08-24 (Tue) 06:12:38 No. 459978
From 2019:
https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20190910151009-4-98369/bikin-khawatir-tka-tukang-sapu-sampai-bos-berisiko-masuk-ri >Bikin Khawatir, TKA Tukang Sapu Sampai Bos Berisiko Masuk RI <Immigrant Workers are Worrisome Expect Indonesia to become the South but in country form. Fuck those cons.
Anonymous 2021-08-24 (Tue) 16:31:36 No. 460478
>>459978 >>458545 Isn't that Sokerano-lite party still gonna be in power anyway? But yea what Vietanon said, Indonesia has a corporatist economy and hyper conservative society like fascism.
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 02:09:27 No. 461222
>>461214
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 02:18:26 No. 461254
>>461214 >t. Pessimist >you forgot VIETNAM, LAOS
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 02:28:07 No. 461273
>>459978 (continued)
This too but this is mch older, from 2017:
https://www.tribunnews.com/mpr-ri/2017/10/26/zulkifli-hasan-nasionalisme-itu-stop-datangkan-tenaga-kerja-asing Also this article from 2018 details on how to make Indonesia MORE RIGHT-WING:
https://news.detik.com/kolom/d-4094040/membangun-gerakan-kanan-di-indonesia >>461265 >vox GTFO, libcunt. You have no place here. Go Back To POL #Kitagakmauludisini
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 02:29:13 No. 461275
>>461273 (cont)
>Rakyat di Indonesia harus mulai panik dengan tenaga kerja asing jika mereka mulai melihat TKA menjadi sopir taksi, pelayan restoran, atau pengurus cuci mobil dalam jumlah yang signifikan This means that the people of Indonesia must act xenophobic 100% like the "pedes" and the Qtards of r/the Donald
bump bump bump Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 03:35:20 No. 461349
THIS THREAD LIVES FOREVER! AND FOR THE CUNTS WHO COME HERE, FUCK OFF!
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 04:40:42 No. 461393
>>461265 >vox
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 04:59:45 No. 461411
>(communism will rise again) FOR SURE IS! WOTWU!!! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS OF CONSERVATISM!!!
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 05:03:49 No. 461414
>>460478 Regarding
>>459978 I may have misattributed. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Anonymous 2021-08-26 (Thu) 00:10:45 No. 462520
bump
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 03:27:41 No. 464253
This board is open to spam just post them hereIf you can read between the lines you'll understand (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 04:54:15 No. 464345
bump
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 04:59:33 No. 464348
Give me a quick rundown on /SEA/ general
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 05:08:53 No. 464355
>>464348 >The sleepiest of all boards in Leftypol >As 408976 said this used to have posters from Thailand and the Philippines but most of them have left >I'm the only one (I'm from Indonesia) and Vietanon (the Viet Cong flag) visits here sometimes >No discussions nor hot topics unlike the US >>464253 This is actually that scat spammer, who happens to find out this board
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 05:14:35 No. 464361
>>464348 “Things could have been different” is the slogan of the SEA Left.
>>464355 what he said because most political events are often non-ideological in nature that can be really critiqued or discussed in a way other regions do. Nor is SEA really angling for change on par with South America.
Also there are like at least 2 Singaporeans around. Maybe more but those are probably inactive or lurking.
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 05:20:32 No. 464368
>>464361 (me)
Like take for example the recent Malaysian cabinet change to a mainstream party. Are there major shift in ideology? No. Are there major shift in policy? Probably not.
No much to say other than sucks to be Centre left parties like PKR and DAP but honestly it is business as usual.
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 10:01:54 No. 464500
>>464348 Alt history and doomer General. Have any questions relating to politics of the region? Ask away!
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 20:28:50 No. 465128
>>464355 Thank you for your response. I am Greek and completely ignorant on Indonesia. I only know its a damn huge island country and Jakarta might have already big climate related problems. How are things over there? Full neoliberal capitalism?
>>464361 >“Things could have been different” is the slogan of the SEA Left. Which means? Things are going pretty okay but could be better? Or something else?
>>464500 Well how are things over there. Aside from vietnam war I know nothing about Vietnam. I guess it is something like China but a still underdeveloped?
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 02:19:41 No. 465548
>>465128 >Which means? Things are going pretty okay but could be better? Or something else? It means things are pretty shit but it could have been different.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 03:06:07 No. 465586
>>465128 >I am Greek Based. All Greek communists are honorary Vietnamese to me. Kostas Sarantidis was seriously a real one.
>Well how are things over there. Basically China’s more lenient cousin. The pandemic is hitting us hard in the recent months but otherwise it’s fine.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 04:34:40 No. 465663
>>465128 >Full neoliberal capitalism? Yes, with a blend of hostile anticommunist radical Islamists always crying for
>muh Chinese infiltration, >muh Communist resurgence (it can't be), and
>muh Chinese replacement bullshit, like American rightoids instead of illegal immigrants and Big Tech they place the blame on 9 Taipan Naga (9 wealthiest Chinese in the country) and the Chinese in general.
More facts:
1) Censorship exists and it blocks 4chan and Reddit out of
>muh porn reasons (Indonesia is extremely Islamist and conservative, yet seem to block 4chan. Notice that irony?)
2) Jakarta ranked the worst on urban planning. I could place the blame on fucking Anies Baswecunt. And local corrupt politicians.
3) Other than those, it's just a normal 3rd world country.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 04:35:25 No. 465664
>>465128 Even there's a lolbert once tried to convert radicals (Islamic fundamentalists) see the picrel
Based Lolbert . He said:
If you meet people who are exposed to the ideology of the hard-line, be it of the caliphate, darul islam, etc…, please bring it to me, I'll teach them trading until they can and I'll funding them, so far at least 17 people have already managed to get out of a misguided belief and changed into capitalist… Indeed, leftists here should try to build cooperatives/collectives. Too bad, the stimulus rarely trickling down to us. And if trickling, we only got a few sums of it (it's not even enough since corruptions, collusions, & nepotism so rampant in here).
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 04:42:57 No. 465680
>>465655 >>465664 Aren’t the Islamists fanaticism a result of Arabic influence? I notice some local islamists wearing burqa instead of the more local tundung and was wondering if this is part of the trend.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 04:44:59 No. 465682
>>465680 Probably is. It was further reinforced by that hardline Islamist, Habib Rizieq Shihab. Here it was glorified like how Trump was revered in Burgeristan.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 04:50:19 No. 465684
>>465682 >>465680 >Aren’t the Islamists fanaticism a result of Arabic influence? I notice some local islamists wearing burqa instead of the more local tundung and was wondering if this is part of the trend. <Well they're Islamic fundamentalists. What do you expect? Although you can choose to wear burqas or not. There are also some Islamic moderates (too bad most of them simp for the libs & incumbent president). Only few Islamic socialists in here. Basically like this
>>465682 anon said
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 06:34:44 No. 465786
>>464467 >>465690 >>465691 If only these Islamists aren't succumb to the ruling class like Taliban, the circumstances shall be different. And regarding Taliban, I hope Maoist Khalq resurrected later.
>>465663 >bullshit, like American rightoids instead of illegal immigrants and Big Tech they place the blame on 9 Taipan Naga (9 wealthiest Chinese in the country) and the Chinese in general. <Sorry, but those Taipan (wealthiest billionaires) indeed contributing resentment, discontent, & unrest among the peasants. Although it's true that the problems aren't the Chinese, but the capitalism itself. Even Viet-anon acknowledging about Dengists threat in SEA region. >1) Censorship exists and it blocks 4chan and Reddit out of >muh porn >reasons (Indonesia is extremely Islamist and conservative, yet seem to block 4chan. Notice that irony?) <See >>465678 <Obviously. The entire cabinet & Indon administration government already proven guilty as the culprits of fuckery. <Pretty sure, it isn't normal. Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 13:29:31 No. 466114
>>465655 Imagine being a shittier city than Dubai lmao. Guess decades under a bunch of militaristic retards will finally doomed the city a an Atlantis-like fate. Are there even subways in Jakarta?
>>465680 The Saudis are hugely influential in this regard. Recently they’ve begun to try bribing local muslim Cham minority (the local Muslim are traditionally matriarchal) to covert them to their Wahhabism.
>>465786 >Maoist Khalq >Mautism Bruh no.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 13:39:26 No. 466121
>>465655 >>465663 >Cuck out to American neoliberalism >be fucking shit at things Lmao, I got no tears to shed for Indonesia. No other countries in SEA is as responsible as their plight as Indonesia.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 13:47:25 No. 466127
>>466114 >Are there even subways in Jakarta? We've just built one and opened it back in 2019.
People here only know power and money, so if they assume some kind of governmental position they will instantly embezzle. Shake my head.
>>466121 Corruption is so rife here we must appoint a commission designed to tackle them
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 15:25:04 No. 466254
>>466156 >>466156 The problems with Maoism are twofold. One ideologically and the other tactically.
Theoretically, Maoism has always been a right wing deviation of Marxist Leninism, it hands out concessions towards the national bourgeoisie frequently while on the other hand uses the mass line as a way to interpret peasant reactionism (stemming from their feudal roots and slave mentality) into Marxist lingo. Secondly it rejects dialectics as well as relying on the strength of ideology over changing the objective material conditions that create it. Case in point, the cultural revolution failed completely not only because it’s a lazy attempt by Mao (and the fascist clique that hid behind him) to get back into the political limelight but because you can’t impose new culture when you haven’t proletarianize the peasantry. Other than that this ideological shortfall makes it extremely easy for glowies and fascists to infiltrate Maoist orgs as they only need to translate their obviously reactionary policies with some buzzwords. The reason why the Black Panthers and German RAF fell to Idpol and cointerpro.
Tactically, Maoist guerrilla warfare hasn’t worked since the 60s. The US has made it abundantly clear that creating urban strongholds leaving the Maoist fighters’ only source of recruitment being farmers will bled them out eventually. The Nepalese Maoists only won because they took the approach similar to the Cuban Revolution combining people’s war with co-opting the liberal opposition.
And that’s not even getting into the history fails Maoism has over the years like when they sided with fucking UNITA in Uganda, the Mujahideen in Afghan or going along with the Khmer Rouge declaring a race war. Even when they won in Nepal they have failed to do anything of note other than fighting each other like the early PRC.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 15:36:25 No. 466266
Yay this thread has gone cyclical, just like other high-level threads!
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 16:41:10 No. 466345
>>466254 So in summary, Maoists already failed in every fields? And they're good for nothing? Just some irrelevant scums larping in wilderness without any progress for decades?
Idk if that count as sectarianism, but there must be some constructive criticism for them. As for me, I think they got their own roles against the Dengism menace same as like you Vietnamese do in our region.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 16:49:26 No. 466357
Can we say that Indonesia’s current problems (corruption, inequality, separatism, anticommunism, poor planning, poor investment) ia a lasting legacy of Soeharto?
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 17:05:47 No. 466371
>>466357 Most of it, 1998 shouldn't Reform Era but revolution. Too bad the spirits of Hartoids & his simps endured. But we also need to look upon our own errors. Like there are some self admit "leftists" here clearly supporting the PDIP. They're simply simping for Dengists compradors & collaborators.
Just like this
>>381204 &
>>381207 Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 17:09:56 No. 466375
>>466357 Well this a good one
>>383456 Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 17:12:23 No. 466378
>>391932 Hey this is interesting
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 17:32:04 No. 466400
>>391932 Nuking is never a good thing. The fact that China lies just miles away from Japan may cause a boomeranging scenario.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 19:06:30 No. 466495
>>466254 What about the NPA-CPP? They are still around doing stuff?
Anonymous 2021-08-29 (Sun) 01:10:21 No. 466951
>>466345 >So in summary, Maoists already failed in every fields? No that’s no what I said. It’s in my opinion that Maoism has been outdated for decades and is in desperate need for some new blood. Due to their inherent sectarianism, a lot of their critiques of Marxist Leninism and against Stalin are by and large correct. Their strategy of recruiting is also valuable to modern conditions if used as guidelines and not as a religious zeal like most Maoist orgs. Also their concept of capitalist roaders inside a vanguard party is a valid analysis of the reformist tendency.
>As for me, I think they got their own roles against the Dengism menace same as like you Vietnamese do in our region. Using Dengism to criticize Chinese policies aside, I think it’s only another nomenclature for the many manifestation of social democratic reforms. Vietnam used to be against market reforms as well but we buckled under the international pressure and the fall of the USSR to become just as lenient on the capitalist elements. Our current situation demands that we need to fight against this trend throughout the region.
>>466495 They got a split over how to deal with Duterte a few years ago with the military opportunists winning and the sucdems being duped by Duterte. Despite constant small victories, their numbers are dwindling due to not being able to establish a support base in urban areas.
Anonymous 2021-08-29 (Sun) 11:11:07 No. 467465
How’s the Malaysian parliament now? It looks like a shitshow from outside.
Anonymous 2021-08-29 (Sun) 11:12:53 No. 467469
>>467465 It has been a shitshow for years. No party have an strong mandate to do what they want to do. It is hilarious and
exposes the limitations and flaws of bourgeois democracy Anonymous 2021-08-30 (Mon) 07:44:24 No. 468552
>>468466 Red pill me on this site, since I don’t understand bahasa and google is garbage at translating.
Anonymous 2021-08-30 (Mon) 07:59:59 No. 468588
>>468552 First two debunks is about the 5G conspiracy theory (1st one debunks the claim that the Delta variant stems from 5G while 2nd one debunks the claim that animals are dying from 5G)
Third one debunks the claim that Jokowi had made falsehoods regarding Afghanistan.
It's the Ministry of Information and Communications's (Kemkominfo's) official site.
Anonymous 2021-08-30 (Mon) 08:38:45 No. 468655
>>468588 >>468633 Oh so it’s like an anti fake news site that the government created? We got one too that’s just been set up a few years ago. However it’s more about debunking anti-communism and westernized liberal propaganda.
Anonymous 2021-08-30 (Mon) 13:56:48 No. 468908
Yale-NUS might be quite cringe, but I do hope its closure will spark a dissidence wave like Nantah before it.
Anonymous 2021-08-30 (Mon) 14:53:31 No. 468983
>>468655 >Oh so it’s like an anti fake news site that the government created Yes. It's more like an anti-fake-news section. Kominfo.Go.ID itself is the main site of the Ministry, and these deboonks are part of it, what I might call as a "subunit".
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 04:32:23 No. 469806
>>469801 Stop bumping thread with no content posts. I would rather have a slow thread with infrequent quality discussion than the last five threads of 1/4th bump posting.
>>468908 How close was the connection between the college with the Ivy League program? This seems more politically motivated as they basically given no reason behind the merger.
Colleges here are extremely limited in connection with US institutions since the obvious color revolution concerns. They are only allowed to have private universities with no relations with public schools.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 08:34:45 No. 469937
>>383973 holy shit this is awful hahahahaha, it might be the worst song ive ever heard. i need more
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 08:37:36 No. 469938
>>469937 it sounds like "bhutanese passpooorrrt"
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 08:37:54 No. 469939
What's the material explanation of Chinese supremacy/privilege in Singapore?
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 08:50:28 No. 469942
>>469806 >>469922 >>469932 >>469935 But this time, the falseflag & divide conquer tactics in order to rout the riots seem backfired.
As a conclusion, Indon glowies… well just like your typical glowies. Agents disguise themselves according to tasks given by the states & corporations.
Maybe with some occultism or voodoo curse as additional skill? Who knows… Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 09:19:55 No. 469952
>>469922 Lmao Indon glowies are meme material. Both for the ridiculous fact that government informants using street vendors as a cover and the horrific 1984 tier implications.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 09:48:19 No. 469962
>>469952 >Lmao Indon glowies are meme material. Both for the ridiculous fact that government informants using street vendors as a cover and the horrific 1984 tier implications. <It's called "clever". They blend & adapt with civilians just like Vietcong guerillas did back in the past. In fact, Nguyen copied their guerrilla tactics from a book made by Nasution (late Indon general) known as Pokok-Pokok Gerilya (Essences of Guerilla). Now they monitoring guerillas & protesters, both offline & online.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 10:50:12 No. 469994
>>383499 Lenin had a cult of personality, Stalin had one as well. China's just doing ML Party AS INTENDED by Lenin.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 11:38:25 No. 470027
>>469994 Lenin had no cult of personality unless being considered a founder of the Soviet Union constitutes one. Stalin vehemently opposed to people worshipping him. Chinese politicians however actively fostered this toxic liberal bullshit when they’re still alive no less.
>>469962 >In fact, Nguyen copied their guerrilla tactics from a book made by Nasution (late Indon general) known as Pokok-Pokok Gerilya (Essences of Guerilla). <The Vietminh who was led by a history teacher/T.E. Lawrence fan who beat the French two times in a row since 1930 learning from some guy that loss to the Dutch in 1945 Yeah, I’m gonna need some heavy citations on this. Also a government having eyes and ears everywhere is not comparable and actually the opposite of urban guerrilla infiltration.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 18:25:01 No. 470574
>>470134 Funny how even for the supposedly bipartisan, debunking of fake news site, they also added some fake news of their own through overemphasizing the China = Communism connection. Guerrilla warfare in Vietnam had a history of multiple inspirations. It’s an amalgamation of traditional feudalist hit and run/scorched earth strategies of the feudal dynasties against China, British insurgency tactics in the Middle East of Lawrence of Arabia, and Japanese tropical defensive fighting experience. The pamphlet in question guerrilla warfare by HCM was actually really generalized and doesn’t have much in actual guidance. The Vietminh dropped Maoism and zealot people’s war completely once China stopped giving us guns, it’s basically a way to suck up to Mao.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 05:50:19 No. 471341
Redpill me on Tirto.id.>Your opinions on the site? >Is it pro-liberal? <Tirto is a pro-US, pro-lib site that caters to younger lads (including zoomers).
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 09:41:55 No. 471482
>>471414 >There also Arahjuang.com, Islambergerak.com, Revolusioner.org, etc. Whoa! Are these all local leftist sites?
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 09:43:00 No. 471483
>>471482 (contd)
I've checked them out before and it has these left-wing rhetoric.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:08:13 No. 473144
bump
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 16:43:06 No. 473885
>>469939 Because the Chinese diaspora came to find work in SEA and usually became proletariat bourgeois or petit-bourgeois, especially in a highly urban and developed city like Singapore. You can see this trend in all of SEA. By contrast the natives are more likely to be rural farmers or aristocrats who owned land. Then and now Sinophobia is the socialism of fools in SEA due to the ultra rich bourgeois Chinese.
Now as Singapore had to form a republic, naturally the bourgeoisie would shape the republic in their image. And it is just so happened to be Chinese.
Honestly the Chinese supremacy/privilege is technically correct but woefully inadequate in describing the Chinese diaspora in Singapore. It is the anglophilic Chinese that do have this supremacy/privilege. The elite-school going,Christian, has and will only use their English name, digest Westernized politics, media and shit,
weebs , don't even speak Singlish but Queen or worse American English drinking lattes in hipster as fuck cafes. They are at least middle class, and do control many levers of government,
By contrast the Chinese/dialects/Singlish-speaking, neighborhood (or actual Chinese) school going, only has Chinese name, Buddhist/Taoist,
kpop or sino stans , watch shit from China, drinking kopi in coffeeshop houses are more likely to be poorer and hence do not helm industries and especially government.
>>469940 Shut the fuck up.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 22:28:49 No. 474612
>>474097 >Woah the Afghan US puppet is dogshit at doing everything <Such prophecy! Such intelligence! I seriously hate anyone who worship this guy especially the millennial liberals that basically took in his biography like some kind of gospel. This is literally something everyone with more than 2 braincells can see.
>>473885 It’s kind of simplistic and great man of history analysis but it’s still correct. LKY in the end does belong to the bourgeois anglophile Chinese diaspora. But another question is that even the disproportionate focus on Chinese diaspora who are not of the working class around Singapore back even during the independence seems to be fostered by the British.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 23:47:15 No. 474755
>>474091 >>474612 Because this city's politics and history is far more naunced than one man. In fact Harry Lee himself is part of the former Chinese group I am talking about who was groomed and worked with the UK throughout the independence movement. In fact, his attempt to charm and recuit those of the latter group, with shit like participating in the Fajar case, shedding his Anglo name led him to recruit people like Lim Chin Siong (whom he would later labelled as a chinese chauvinist due to his very typical chinese background) who assembled and recruit the trade unions to his cause.
'Chinese supremacy/privilege' is a far more nuanced and dynamic occurrence not only in Singapore but also in SEA, and it is frustrating to see my nation's complexity be reduced to one LARPer who loves to toot his own horn.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 03:36:28 No. 475118
>>470027 >Stalin vehemently opposed to people worshipping him. There's only one quote on that, quoted to death by stalinists-who-say-that-hundreds-thousands-of-dead-are-fine/beriaphiles. In reality, however, we've seen that Stalin did not oppose it actively, in action. Even if he indeed said such a thing about his cult of personality, he wasn't doing anything about it. Oh sure, "don't be loyal to me, be loyal to our country!" Such a strong dismissal of cult of personality, much wow!
You have no clue what you are talking about. There's plenty of statues all over the fUSSR, half the streets and squares are Lenin's in some way, lightbulbs are called "Ilyich's lightbulb" (and libs because of that claim that communists believe that Lenin invented the lightbulb, holy shit they are retards). Heck, Trotsky was fighting Lenin over that, because the perceived opposition to the cult of personality is a democratic rule by the party Khruschev-style, and that's a clear avenue of attack.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 04:11:29 No. 475175
Fact of the day:
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 04:12:16 No. 475177
Siam had a Bronze Age palace economy also up to the time when western colonists arrived in the 1800s.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 05:07:56 No. 475275
>>475118 >There is one quote <Ah yes let’s ignore all the shit that even anti-communist historians had to admit about Stalin’s opinions In the 1930s Stalin made several speeches that diminished the importance of individual leaders and disparaged the cult forming around him, painting such a cult as un-Bolshevik; instead, he emphasized the importance of broader social forces. Stalin's public actions seemed to support his professed disdain of the cult: Stalin often edited reports of Kremlin receptions, cutting applause and praise aimed at him and adding applause for other Soviet leaders. Walter Duranty stated that Stalin edited a phrase in a draft of an interview by him of the dictator from "inheritor of the mantle of Lenin" to "faithful servant of Lenin".
A banner in 1934 was to feature Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, but Stalin had his name removed from it, yet by 1938 he was more than comfortable with the banner featuring his name. Still, in 1936, Stalin banned renaming places after him. In some memoirs Molotov claimed that Stalin had resisted the cult of personality, but soon came to be comfortable with it. Considering that Stalin was getting old even when WW2 came around, it was necessary for the use of it to rally the people around a public figure. Which is not surprising since even literal alcoholic racist monsters like Churchill has a cult of personality that is actively supported by the state in the UK to whitewash his history, excessive even compared to Stalin.
You do understand that the fact that Stalin’s disgust for his own cult was widely admitted by multiple sources with the only source against it being Khrushchev who was motivated politically to attack Stalin no matter the truth?
Oh no! I guess literally every famous political figure over here including a famous doctor that started an anti-smoking campaign has to have a cult of personality all in their own for people to name streets after them! It’s not like street naming is directly controlled by the state to specifically choose it for the population. Fuck off mate, more than 90% of places named after him was either to morn his death in 1924 or decades later.
I don’t know the psychopathic country where you live but in most of the world it’s normal to build statues of famous people even in America with fucking disgrace traitor southern generals. But it’s not normal in the case of China where the people they worship and slobber around is actually still alive and promoting it using state power.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 05:22:51 No. 475312
>>475275 America is everything they criticize.
Capitalist countries building monuments of exploiters?
YEAH Socialist countries building monuments of national heroes and leaders?
WAIT UH NO NO NO WE GOTTA STOP THEM HURR DURR Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 05:53:59 No. 475356
>>475275 >even anti-communist historians had to admit about Stalin’s opinions This should be a red flag for you. Anti-communists admit that Stalin hated his cult of personality? Huuuuuh.
Lol'd.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA Donetsk was called Stalin in 1924-29, Stalino from 1929-1961 (in honor of Civil War, when IIRC Stalin was commanding trains to move people and troops in and out of the city while fighting intervening germans)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd Stalingrad since 1925 (in honor of Stalin being in charge of Tsaritsyn's defences against Whites in Civil War multiple times)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B1%D0%B5 Stalinabad since 1929 to 1961 (who the hell knows why)
As you can see, you are fucking wrong.
Don't be a fucking retard, khruschevites were literally rewriting history to suit their needs - including altering memoirs. Even then EVERYONE RED who participated in Civil War got cities named after them, except for Trotsky, Tukhachevsky and people like that. There was Molotov city, even
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perm,_Russia This whole bullshit with "Stalin against his cult" should look incredibly fishy from the get go to anyone who saw Revolutionary names of Soviet-Russian cities, because it just contradicts "historians" claims.
Jesus christ, Stalin was ordering to dig a channel bearing his name! Don't be a goddamn retard, falling for stupidest propaganda.
Lolno, those "multiple sources" are extremely narrow and rare. Khruschevites were sowing fbi.govs between stalinists at the time, and there's plenty of claims that Stalin was attacking Voroshilov and his other closest people. Why WOULDN"T khruschevites claim that Stalin was against his own cult?
Lolwut. You have not even a clue who Lenin was for USSR! Morn his death? Seriously? Look at North Koreans crying over their dead Leader. Are you going to say that before his death there was no veneration, no statues of him, no his books, no nothing? That crying was the thing that started "worship"? Get your brain straight
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 07:45:53 No. 475435
>>475356 >If anti-communists believe in it, it must be wrong This is most ass backward troll logic I’ve ever seen. Both sides of the argument support the fact of Stalin having disdain of his own worship. Something that the only people who fought against it having personal political goals against him.
>listing three place that was named after him before the official ban in 1934 Can you read or do you not know how governmental bureaucracy works? One you go through the absolute nightmare of changing a city’s name, changing it back will take the same amount of horrible effort, especially in the context of Stalin was still handling the effects of preparing for the coming war and reforming the military after the reorganization of the purge. I’m surprised he even have the time to issue the ban in the first place. Or do you expect him to personally go to every single city named after him to tell them to change it back with a memorandum?
Based on the sloppy links you’ve given me most of the results are just you searching about things that named after Stalin and then copying the Russian language wiki to make them feel more legit. Do you expect more to make an honest rebuttal to such sad effort clearly in bad faith. Reminder that I’m not even a Stalinist here. I’m just making an obvious comparison that somehow angered you for some reason.
>Don't be a fucking retard, khruschevites were literally rewriting history to suit their needs - including altering memoirs. <Khrushchev personally changed history to suit his need 1984 style Hey I’m only using Occam’s razor here. So in your mind you think that literally
everyone wants to portray Stalin to be against his cult of personality. From political opportunists Khrushchev (who needs to bad mouth Stalin to get ahead), out of favor old supporters like Molotov and even western cold warrior historians (who have little to no reason to give Stalin a good nuance light). But then for what reason? Why do they want to say that?
There’s literally no motivation behind the grand conspiracy you’re insinuating. Shouldn’t Khrushchev talk more about Stalin’s god complex more like his secret speech? Why rewrite Molotov’s memoir when the guy is still alive? Why does Molotov needs to rewrite anything related to Stalin when he got sidelined by the old Stalin a few years before his death? Shouldn’t western historians do the same to make him more of a maniacal villain?
Or maybe, just maybe because most of his actions had nothing even remotely close to a support of his worship and all parties involved with even his political enemies can see that. You don’t need to be a genius to draw this simple conclusion. And come on now, I’m an honest to Marx Khrushchevite here and even I know the lovable retard wasn’t that competent or powerful. If he was, he wouldn’t get himself dumbstruck when he realized Brezhnev had coup’ed him on a morning to work.
>Even then EVERYONE RED who participated in Civil War got cities named after them, except for Trotsky, Tukhachevsky and people like that. >This whole bullshit with "Stalin against his cult" should look incredibly fishy from the get go to anyone who saw Revolutionary names of Soviet-Russian cities, because it just contradicts "historians" claims. Make up your mind mate. Throughout your posts you have contradicted yourself multiple times now. If everyone in the civil war had their names put on locations, then would that make everyone with a cult on their own. Which then brings back to my argument about Lenin streets. They were used because simply names of monarch would be incredibly idiotic in the context of that time. If that’s the case why bring up the cities with Stalin as the name?
>Jesus christ, Stalin was ordering to dig a channel bearing his name! Don't be a goddamn retard, falling for stupidest propaganda. Ah yes the propaganda of western historians to make Stalin look good how could I forget! And here I thought that anti-communists often want to portray communist leaders as egomaniacal men who wanted to put themselves in everything like Big Brother. I guess I was wrong, most anti-communist historians actually love Stalin so much they build him up as a selfless professional politician with their anti-communist propaganda!
And on the channel. You mean the Baltic Sea canal that most just call it that? Funny how it got its name changed more than half a decade after Khrushchev was in power. The efficiency or lack there of of Soviet bureaucracy makes the argument you made up top meaningless yet again. Funny you didn’t even post the links for this one since it just makes you look like a fool.
>Lolno, those "multiple sources" are extremely narrow and rare. Khruschevites were sowing fbi.govs between stalinists at the time, and there's plenty of claims that Stalin was attacking Voroshilov and his other closest people. Why WOULDN"T khruschevites claim that Stalin was against his own cult? When those sources are from the west and east alike my man. You haven’t even addressed the most important one that is the dozens of speeches Stalin made in the 30s and 40s going against leader worship as it was unsocialist. Ah yes, you continue your rebuttal with another impossible to falsify conspiracy theory about the supposed intelligent cornholio using tactics to divide Stalinists while making himself look bad. Such 69d chess moves! You do understand that most people on Stalin’s side supported his policies instead of him right?
>You have not even a clue who Lenin was for USSR! Morn his death? Seriously? Look at North Koreans crying over their dead Leader. Are you going to say that before his death there was no veneration, no statues of him, no his books, no nothing? That crying was the thing that started "worship"? Get your brain straight Why are you talking about North Korea? We’re talking about Lenin in the specific context of the USSR here. Where as you’ve said above named everything after Russian civil war figures from generals to bureaucrats. Having statues and streets for Lenin (the man that basically helmed the formation of the USSR the first socialist state in existence in the world) isn’t the same as that but a cult? Really now!
Also get my brain straight? Buddy, I’m not the guy with a western pro Stalinist conspiracy in his brain while constantly contradicting myself in every paragraph. I think if you continue this obviously schizophrenic behavior I should just let you post more to make yourself more of a clown. At least it’ll offer more content than mindless bump posts.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 08:04:24 No. 475446
Habib Rizieq still hot even after 10 months.
Even demonstrations broke out in support of him:
https://www.cnnindonesia.com/nasional/20210902162529-20-688941/demo-di-makassar-massa-minta-rizieq-shihab-dibebaskan Do you feel like Habib Rizieq Shihab is Indonesia's Donald Trump?
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 09:02:57 No. 475466
>>475446 More like Indonesian Dennis Prager.
>highly religious to even his peers >funded by oil barons >never got into big political stage despite a lot of support Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 14:29:49 No. 475638
>>475629 >An attempted coup occurred on 30 September 1965, which was later officially blamed on the PKI (see Transition to the New Order). On 2 October, Aidit went to Yogyakarta to meet the regional PKI chairman Sutrisno. After a few hours, Aidit moved to Semarang also to consolidate to the party officials in the region. The meeting concluded that the coup was the Army's internal problem and PKI knew nothing about it. In the afternoon of that day, Aidit went to Boyolali to meet Boyolali regent Suwali who was a PKI member. Aidit then went to Solo to meet the mayor Utomo Ramelan who was also a member. The meeting contradicted the conclusion of the meeting in Semarang. Several Politbiro members including Aidit and M.H. Lukman met in Blitar on 5 October. There Aidit wrote a letter of the PKI view of the coup which was read by Njoto during a cabinet meeting in Bogor. <dude if it has nothing to do with us, it’s surely not a culmination of a plan made year long to destroy the PKI. Just write a letter lol. His death was tragic but this is Bernie and Corbyn level of naivety. How the fuck did his party become the biggest party in the country while having no paramilitary force? Suharto tied the noose, Aidid put it around his own neck.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 17:12:36 No. 475929
>>475638 I guess he really thought that Sukarno really had things under control. Also arming the PKI would make it wayyyy easier for the military and the Americans to blame PKI anyway.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 22:47:49 No. 476426
>>475929 The conflict was inevitable. How do you expect a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists and imperial trained military personnel go along peacefully with the 3rd largest communist party in the world? That’s like the Bolshevik trusting Kerensky to keep the Whites under control, complete fantasy. If you’re a communist in a country that hasn’t had a communist revolution, your first expectation is that they’ll be coming for your head in time, not winning the poll.
Anonymous 2021-09-07 (Tue) 15:51:42 No. 481054
>>476426 Maybe if Sukarno receive aid from the USSR to keep the economy and his army in control the PKI might have a chance to gain more popularity and arm themselves.
Anonymous 2021-09-07 (Tue) 17:29:34 No. 481163
>>481054 Sukarno should've purged Suharto from the military as well as "disgruntled" (actually spy) military officers instead.
Anonymous 2021-09-07 (Tue) 22:15:15 No. 481528
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/myanmar-shadow-government-unveils-new-strategy-to-oppose-military-rule What the hell is going on in Myanmar?
>>481054 Very difficult because he was part of the non-aligned movement. Everything could’ve been better if he hadn’t compromised his support for the PKI with trying to balance everything else. However it’s also the fault within the PKI’s naivety of the time to even place all of their trusts on one man that was never a communist in the first place.
Anonymous 2021-09-07 (Tue) 23:01:32 No. 481574
>>481528 >What the hell is going on in Myanmar? Just CIA things~
Anonymous 2021-09-07 (Tue) 23:40:18 No. 481614
>>481591
Anonymous 2021-09-07 (Tue) 23:47:55 No. 481622
>>481591 DEATH TO YOUR GOVERNMENT
Anonymous 2021-09-07 (Tue) 23:50:58 No. 481625
>>481528 >shadow government to oppose junta Btw do you side with the junta or the people?
DEATH TO AMERICA 2021-09-08 (Wed) 00:44:04 No. 481678
>>481640 >JFK
Anonymous 2021-09-08 (Wed) 00:45:31 No. 481680
>>481640 >JFK
Anonymous 2021-09-08 (Wed) 00:51:27 No. 481685
>>481640 >failed to crush cuban revolutionaries despite backing from gusanos and the (((CIA)))
Anonymous 2021-09-08 (Wed) 10:23:23 No. 482342
>Amsterdam >Has very remarkable urban planning >Rethinking The Future >Worst urban planning ever >Also Rethinking the Future
Anonymous 2021-09-08 (Wed) 12:04:38 No. 482393
>>482342 >Would Indonesia be radically different had it not become independent yet. Compared to other Dutch colonies it was a better alternative. Most got even more fucked up by the British when they got exchanged.
>instead choosing to be a dependency of the Netherlands? No country is better off being dependent on their ex-colonial masters. Look at the eternal economic burden and threats of political intervention in Francophone Africa for example. Or what happened to most British colonies when they got “released”.
However I would even argue that Indonesia never fully decolonized. The Dutch military won on every front until they got stretched too thin and had to give up on their own. This is not something like the Indochinese war where the Vietminh, Pathet Laos and Khmer Issarak were beating the French legionnaires while controlling most of the region. Later the Dutch-trained local military clique later made into the backbone of the new order, which later was the ones that made Jakarta into the ramshackle trash heap of today.
Anonymous 2021-09-08 (Wed) 18:08:03 No. 482748
>>482342 >>482393 Yea look at Philippines right now. Still clinging onto to its colonial master. What a joke it is now.
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 07:40:56 No. 485547
>>485239 44 confirmed dead including 2 foreigners at an overcapacitated area of the prison
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 07:42:07 No. 485548
>>485547 (continued)
It is due to overcapacity and Polri is to blame because they have made those prisons like crap
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 08:55:07 No. 485580
>>485239 Probably because the prison had shit fire prevention system that made the fire spread out of control. Plus the architecture of a place like that is not friendly for air circulation so smoke might form inescapable death clouds inside that suffocated the inmates.
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 14:29:38 No. 485834
>>485548 >>485580 Will this change anything or will it stay the same?
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 14:46:46 No. 485854
>>485834 It depends, if they want to improve, then it would become much better, otherwise expect more incidents like these in the coming years
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 05:05:10 No. 489325
>>489268 >2 years old damn this lil dude aged like shit!
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 13:13:16 No. 489808
>>489325 It's 2 years since his death
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 14:11:00 No. 489873
>>489268 >The great reformer Too bad he didn’t reform enough to get out of neoliberalism though. Nonetheless he’s not the reason for the reforms but the people that protested were.
Anonymous 2021-09-15 (Wed) 04:17:00 No. 494661
Cases in Singapore hitting 1k liao. Guess it is back to shift work soon.
Anonymous 2021-09-17 (Fri) 04:29:43 No. 497913
>>497909 >>497906 Australia is not part of SEA. Go to their general for that.
Anonymous 2021-09-17 (Fri) 11:20:43 No. 498157
>>497906 France still have empire delusions. Unlike the UK or AUS who have been cucked since the 60s. Of course they’ll go with the side that currently offers more autonomy to expand.
Anonymous 2021-09-17 (Fri) 11:25:30 No. 498160
>>497909 >EU sides with China >I smell neo warsaw pact Socialist Europe under joint Russian-Chinese guidance when?
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 05:25:04 No. 499047
>>499025 imagine australia's reaction
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 06:43:40 No. 499099
>>499047 ah just let scomo cope hard we'll be fine
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 15:25:31 No. 499457
>>498160 Probably never. Russia as it is now is a neoliberal oligarchy while China’s social democracy is almost the same as France and Germany. Literally nothing would change if they became allies.
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 15:38:16 No. 499472
>>499457 Well, except for the fact that the Americans are going to seethe so hard over it.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 00:16:49 No. 501537
What is /SEA/'s position on the South China Sea issue? Whose position do you guys support?
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 05:45:46 No. 502020
>>501537 Not China’s. those small islands don’t even have that much strategic value to anyone anyway. I generally think Vietnam has the best position.
Anonymous 2021-09-21 (Tue) 00:43:10 No. 503657
>>499472 Supporting whatever America’s against is not a coherent position. It’s pure contrarianism. It’s also what that created my hatred against the far right in the first place.
>>501537 China needs to stop sucking off Chiang Kai Shek’s legacy with those gay ROC irredentist claims. Then again, it’s probably impossible now because of the oil in the region.
Anonymous 2021-09-22 (Wed) 15:38:03 No. 506333
Is Manny Pacquiao going to be the President soon?
Anonymous 2021-09-23 (Thu) 05:18:53 No. 507500
>>506333 Really? This is the best Pinoy centre-left wing you can afford? A socdem boxer? Why martial arts practicioners end up side with neolibs every fuckin' time?
Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen, Mohammad Ali, Khabib Nurmageddov, Chuck Norris, Sylvester Stallone, Jean Vandamme, nearly every one of them. Anonymous 2021-09-23 (Thu) 05:26:52 No. 507506
>>507500 Steven Seagal, Tony Jaa, Michelle Yeoh, etc Almost every martial arts athletes shilling for harmony in liberalism. Defeat bandits similar to Joker & Vulture friends etc & the world is safe
more like sage .
Anonymous 2021-09-23 (Thu) 06:06:36 No. 507556
>>507495 >Indon pol or glowies Are you fucking retarded? Or are you even Indon? I have never accessed NSFW 4chan yet, nor I am employed in BIN or any other intelligence wtf.
You're probably the same communism will rise again fag? You forgot you posted
>>461244 >Celebrating or commemorating the massacre of gommies like poltards No, the fact that PKI proclaimed the Soviet Republic of Indonesia that day makes it significant. Should they be successful then we can live better lives!
>>506333 TOP KEK
Anonymous 2021-09-23 (Thu) 06:27:48 No. 507581
>>507500 Hey! Take that back! Jackie Chan is a Dengoid.
>>506333 Sounds difficult. Especially now when Duterte is building a literal political dynasty on the backs of his retarded fans. Do they have some word to call his cult of personality like Americans shitting on Strumps?
Anonymous 2021-09-23 (Thu) 06:30:01 No. 507585
>>506333 >Celebrity politics coming to Philippines Lmao the saying is true. When America sneezes, Philippines gets a flu.
Anonymous 2021-09-23 (Thu) 06:36:18 No. 507595
What the hell is Laos? is still "socialist" as vietnam or what? are they in friendly terms with china?
Anonymous 2021-09-23 (Thu) 08:44:41 No. 507715
>>507595 Laos is communist ever since 1975 and has never changed from being one. Otherwise just a quiet SEA country.
Anonymous 2021-09-24 (Fri) 09:09:50 No. 509667
>>507595 Laos is like the girl in a middle of a love triangle. Both of its communist neighbors wants to be its allies due to the strategic position it has with the Mekong river. China is currently inline with them through building hydroelectric dams while Vietnam has to constantly try to pivot them into industrializing with other means to not cause downstream environmental destruction (especially in the southern delta where with the lowering of the water caused the region to be slowly eaten up by advancing sea levels).
There’s was one period where Laos Vietnamese relationship was especially close is when the government helped them with fighting the Chinese and US co-funded Hmong contra separatists in the early 90s though. Or the period right after war against the KR and China where we helped them with kicking the asses of Thai irredentist military expansion. They in turn supported us in stopping the wave of gusano terrorists streaming through the land border of course funded with US black budget and Chinese military equipment. The 80s and 90s shadow conflict was an interesting time to be sure. Laos also had to purge a load of liberals trying to go the way of Gorbachev in the 90s as well when the new constitution was made.
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 13:35:19 No. 513977
>>507556 >No, the fact that PKI proclaimed the Soviet Republic of Indonesia that day makes it significant. Should they be successful then we can live better lives! I think about this alot anon…
Hate the fact that Indo is a reactionary af country now.
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 14:05:59 No. 514005
>>430737 >>430741 There used to be an Indonesian board back on 8gag years ago.
Mostly anglophile middle class Indonesians
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 04:45:22 No. 517670
>>513977 >Hate the fact that Indo is a reactionary af country now. Ah, there is basically no hope for even socialism here, until most boomers are all but gone. Also the fact that Indonesia is heading towards a more conservatism means that it's the final nail in the coffin for us and Indonesia is forever a pro-cuntpitalist state shilling and becoming pro-US until it collapses (and only by such can Indonesia be a socialist state).
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 04:52:31 No. 517687
>>514701 >Well too bad it's only a dream & there won't be any Indonesia anymore later. Good riddance. You mean socialist Indonesia? Currently it's impossible but as soon as the US collapses it would be possible but by a 50% chance. The other 50% is when those fascists take power and ally them with the Western-backed Sunnis.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 05:25:56 No. 517775
>>507581 >Do they have some word to call his cult of personality DDS (diehard duterte supporters) or Dutertards.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 06:02:15 No. 517837
>>507581 Is Duterte a populist?
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 09:39:33 No. 518059
>>517837 Is populism is a real ideology because it just involves doing saying bullshit to the public to gain their support while stumbling to do the shit you promised for real? Duterte is flip-flopping dumpster when it comes to carrying out anything he promised. A vestige of the Marcos era resurfaced.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 11:27:27 No. 518188
>>518182 >Nothing will happen, anon. You're too long lurking & projecting. Go outside & accept your fate. There won't be any revolution nor war or shit. You're all clown & retards happooners shilling for abstract talking. Full of nothing more than hogwash.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 11:31:58 No. 518191
Reminder that communism will rise again, and death to America for making young lads degenerate. WOTWU!!!
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 11:34:18 No. 518199
>>518059 >Is populism is a real ideology because it just involves doing saying bullshit to the public to gain their support while stumbling to do the shit you promised for real? Pretty much like that, you just become a public speaking expert if you want to be one.
>Duterte is flip-flopping dumpster when it comes to carrying out anything he promised. A vestige of the Marcos era resurfaced. Oh so like he doesn't keep his promises all the time?
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 12:03:40 No. 518248
>>518182 then why the fuck are you here u doomer cunt.
>>517687 >Western-backed Sunnis Highly related:
https://kanaanonline.org/en/2015/01/20/britain-the-rise-of-wahhabism-and-the-house-of-saud/ ironically, this wahabi cancer was first cultivated by the bongs to destabilize the ottoman empire.
<tfw house of saud still exporting their chaos <tfw still backed by another angloid power IDC who does it but someone needs to genocide the anglosphere.
>Ah, there is basically no hope for even socialism here Maybe someone could start a marhaenist party but in actuality it's an ML party in all but name. this way if boomers and reactionaries call it communist, you can call them anti-soekarno traitors lol.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 12:08:39 No. 518258
>>518059 Populism is basically a pseudo-socialist movement but instead of actually overthrowing the bourgies and establishing a workers state you simp for your guy who will inevitably become part of the establishment
.
Populism is what happens when you have a mass movement without ideological coherency.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 12:14:57 No. 518264
>>518248 >then why the fuck are you here u doomer cunt. He's the SEA troll that has ever posted here several weeks prior and get banned. Cf:
>>461244 >Maybe someone could start a marhaenist party but in actuality it's an ML party in all but name. this way if boomers and reactionaries call it communist, you can call them anti-soekarno traitors lol. What a great idea! Never thought of that before…
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 12:18:17 No. 518269
>>518258 That actually makes a lot of sense.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 13:26:25 No. 518331
>>518258 Populism has sort of become a catch all phrase. A ideologically coherent socialist movement that abolishes the present way of things would also be called populist by established power. So I would not be so quick to deride that label even if your definition is proper.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 14:10:27 No. 518374
>>518355 Although not sooner but it's inevitable as America declines and copes every passing day.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 14:12:50 No. 518378
>>518355 Is C the proletarian programming language?
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 15:08:44 No. 518447
>>518331 Basically it’s now a bad word to demotes people outside of the established order. It has lost all meaning. It’s translation over here literally means “ideology of pleasing the people”. Normally used for people who just fake doing shit for clout while still corrupt as shit.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 15:44:01 No. 518500
>>518378 I don't know , i kinda wished there was a programing language that let you look at code on different levels of abstraction, like zoom stages on a microscope. It could have 3 zoom stages, like assembly instructions on the highest magnification, half zoomed out could be higher level code like c and fully zoomed out could be some scrypt language like bash.
it would also be cool to have a live binary viewer, but that would be too hard unless there's special hardware support for it. >>518447 >Basically it’s now a bad word to demotes people outside of the established order. It has lost all meaning. It’s translation over here literally means “ideology of pleasing the people”. It's kinda strange that “ideology of pleasing the people” now means something bad.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 15:54:21 No. 518524
>>518500 >It's kinda strange that “ideology of pleasing the people” now means something bad. Yeah, but true. It's due to the fact that most populists nowadays are just experts in public speaking and if they pass legislation they promise they wouldnit would be only 4-5 times in their entire tenure.
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 16:54:16 No. 518673
>>514005 There is an indonesian board named /Fscchan/ over at endchan.net, although fair warning that place is a reactionary shithole full of self-hating anglophilic pribumis seething endlessly at cokins (chinese indonesians), christians and malays. There's also a small percentage of unironic /pol/-type anglophilic cokin supremacist autism score posting there and an even smaller percentage of leftist.
It's basically /pol/ but for indonesians, I recommend you never touch that place.
Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 01:24:22 No. 519416
>>518500 >It's kinda strange that “ideology of pleasing the people” now means something bad. At the start it didn’t. But as time goes on the more populist politicians got ousted for how utterly corrupt they are people just got disillusioned. The common sayings of “I’ll do everything for the people!” or “Everything to please everyone!” have become hollow and fake.
The most trusted people in our country now are the Soviet educated theorists of which Trong is the last of. That’s why the party keep voting on him during the current period of reigniting ideological education.
Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 01:34:16 No. 519440
The way it's used in the West, it seems to me like populism=democracy so it's a politically correct way for porky and co. to be reactionary
Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 02:44:36 No. 519530
>>518673 I've checked it out but can't seem to access, can you give me the link to it?
Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 02:47:21 No. 519534
>>519530 https://endchan.net/fscchan/ Don't browse /feses/ too much or you'll get brainrot
.
Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 02:50:15 No. 519537
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Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 02:50:49 No. 519539
>>519416 I always wonder what people in countries like Vietnam or Cuba think about multiparty "democracies" and elections.
Have you felt that your fellow countrymen are ok with a single party system that lets you decide on the people that goes to the legislative? or do you think that they would rather prefer voting between 2 or more parties that are really the same thing with different names like in the US?
Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 04:11:38 No. 519675
Any insight on Indonesia's invasion of East Timor back in 1975?
Anonymous 2021-10-01 (Fri) 01:58:48 No. 523378
>>519539 They’re fine with it as the party is made up of multiple branch of ideology. There’s the leftnats, the orthodox MLs, the revisionist socdems, and the neoliberals dresses in red paint. You can vote for all of them or even radlibs outside of the party to be represented in Congress to vote on the passing of laws and regulations. Multiple party is just redundant. Case in point that after Doi Moi there was a unilateral vote on merging all the minor parties in Congress with the CPV and everyone supported it.
>>519440 Has the term got a bad reputation in the west ever since Huey Long?
Anonymous 2021-10-02 (Sat) 10:22:03 No. 526020
>>518500 >>518258 Most parties in SEA operate on pouplistic tendencies anyway. They don't have a coherent ideology, just trying to chase the people's opinion as much as possible.
Anonymous 2021-10-03 (Sun) 01:35:27 No. 527807
>>526408 >>526415 But why is it that shocking? He never seem as much of a madman as portrayed in the media.
Anonymous 2021-10-03 (Sun) 01:36:42 No. 527810
>>527807 (me)
Like a native told me he used to be a cab driver in his city to learn more about the people, so he seemed to be touching grass more than other politicians.
Anonymous 2021-10-03 (Sun) 01:38:32 No. 527814
>>527807 >He never seem as much of a madman as portrayed in the media. How so? His rule looks fucking horrific.
>>527810 Talking to people doesnt negate being a brutal madman, wtf? Many people have been disappeared from him and hes given police free reign to take full control of the drugs industry.
Anonymous 2021-10-03 (Sun) 01:52:41 No. 527853
>>527814 idk man looks like another day in Philippines.
Anonymous 2021-10-03 (Sun) 20:00:23 No. 529156
>>527810 >talking to the people Yeah for photo ops. Like no one has seen that before. His base are retard tier.
>>526408 Dude knows he’s getting old and setting shit up for his daughter.
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 03:02:53 No. 534155
>Be Filipino election <The three candidates are: a meme boxer guy, Marcos Jr and Duterte Jr
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 03:05:21 No. 534161
>>534155 To be fair Pacqiao's boxing itself was no meme, he's arguably the GOAT for non-heavyweights
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 03:21:59 No. 534206
>>534161 Pacqiao’s career is great no doubt but he’s a complete lightweight when it comes to politics. Since he’s apart of the liberal opposition to the Trump tier duterte and his even more extreme allies in the Marcos fascist base.
At best if he wins he’ll just continue the current economic status quo. At worse he’ll become a puppet for the yellow liberals to pull the strings from behind the scenes.
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 22:54:39 No. 535571
>>535090 Which country are we talking about here? I still can’t even fathom that taking a drug like that can cure anything.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 02:31:59 No. 536065
>>535571 We just had a woman get hospitalised for taking the miracle drug in Singapore. The line from their private Christian chat group was that Christ would personally inform them if, in fact, he was fine with mRNA vaccines.
I'm not sure why they didn't go a little further and say something like, "Yeah, I prayed, had a chat with God. He says the apple-flavoured paste is best."
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 03:17:54 No. 536149
>>535571 It is always the fucking Christians importing the dumbest trends from the West. And they have the gall to whine that the liberals are doing it.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 11:16:55 No. 536553
>>536065 >>536149 Man those burger evangelicals doing mission work in SEA 20 - 30 years ago really be showing their fruits.
It's not a coincidence these evangelical mall church people tend to be hypercapitalist and super pro-west.
I grew up as one.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 19:37:36 No. 537336
>>536553 I think I read somewhere that the states that are rebelling against the junta in Myanmar have a huge population of Baptists. Critical support for Tatmadaw against evangelo-fascists?
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 21:46:39 No. 537463
>>537336 Honestly not sure about the sitch in Myanmar. Even if the junta gets toppled who'll replace them? NED cadre spooks? are there even actual communists/socialist who'll step in? Shit looks like a mess like the rest of SEA except maybe Singapore or Vietnam.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 21:57:51 No. 537478
>>537463 i support the junta simply because there really isnt any good alternative
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 22:13:40 No. 537508
>>537478 That's exactly the issue, but there's no denying the junta is not only murderous fascists, reactionary and corrupt.
There's also the fact that Myanmar politics lean very heavily on fascism regardless of which faction you choose (cf. rohingya crisis).
Myanmar is pretty close to Soeharto era Indonesia.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 23:55:57 No. 537629
>>536553 Evangelicals in SEA glows so hard. Here they pioneered the most secessionist movements at the same time peddling the most insane shit. Especially the ones that comes from Korea. From race pseudoscience to miracle cures to anti-coom bullshit. They only ones that still worse than them are the falun gong cultists.
Even more fucked up is that their main base of victims to convert are often the left behind half Korean children that resulted from ROK rapists during the Vietnam war. Sometimes it’s even the rapists returning to convert directly.
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 00:45:15 No. 537695
>>537508 If I couod go back in a time machine I would save Aung San from getting assasinated, I'm sure it wouldn't have fixed everything but the country would definitely be in a better place
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 02:46:14 No. 537834
Woah, what’s up with the huge spike in covid in Singapore?
>>537695 Aung San was retarded when he trusted the British. He dug his own grave just like the PKI did after him.
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 02:53:00 No. 537838
>>537336 That's Kachin state
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 02:59:55 No. 537848
>>537629 Woah, didn't know that about Vietnam.
In Indonesia, evangelicals are "middle class" or petit bourg that believe in prosperity gospel. If anything they're a sizeable minority group that's very pro west.
Literally wackos and televangelist from the anglosphere like Benny Hinn has been touring this area regularly since the 90s
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 06:14:29 No. 538105
>>537834 >Aung San was retarded when he trusted the British Literally what would you have done during WWII?
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 06:33:14 No. 538114
>>537336 The Kachin Baptist Convention is definitely a huge centre of power in Kachland. There's also a Catholic centre of power too.
The Pat Jasan movement (civilian anti drug movement who lock up junkies in treatment centres and burn poppy fields) was based a lot from the religious groups.
I know a lot of Kachins and I've never really had the fire and brimstone impression though
Anonymous 2021-10-09 (Sat) 10:12:14 No. 539629
>>430737 >>430741 >>514005 >>518673 >>519530 >>519534 >>519541 let me give you a quick history (cuz i have nothing to do right now). fscchan (
https://boards.fscchan.nl/ ) was originally created by an r/indonesia user named anshintsuu aka anssen and his friends somewhere around 2017 . i wans't there on day 1 but from what i remember the board itself was somewhat well known especially around facebook and kaskus. fscchan wasn't exactly known for it's political view but rather the stories that the anons(awan) over there posted ranging from tear jerking love story, gay sex, incest trap sex, and a guy who shoved a broom stick inside a cat's anus. there is a /pol/ created for the imageboard, but i can't say much about the "official" political stance of the site since it wasn't common to see them other than race/religion banter. the only well known leftist user on fscchan is a namefag called kosaki_mactavish aka benrick. i wasn't there when he was active on the site but from what i've seen he seems to be a tan malaka admirer rather than a pki symphatizer.
other than that there isn't really a lot of indonesian imageboard that i know beside indochan (which is also dead). i made a post around few weeks ago on /hobby/ regarding indonesian speaking board that i know if you are curious >>>/hobby/res/752.html#q19670
Anonymous 2021-10-09 (Sat) 13:40:49 No. 539779
Xi vows peaceful reunification with Taiwan days after sending warplanes https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-e2-80-99s-xi-vows-peaceful-e2-80-98unification-e2-80-99-with-taiwan-days-after-sending-a-surge-of-warplanes-near-the-island/ar-AAPj9H9 Houri otas, houri wain, oan Taiwan ass'wain.
How does this compare with Timor? I always get reminded of the latter whenever I see any topics related to the Chinese reunification of Taiwan tho
Anonymous 2021-10-10 (Sun) 09:38:02 No. 540804
>>539779 The two are completely unrelated.
>One is a left over strongholds of a defeated side of a civil war made by killing the natives and occupying the island using imperial forces >The other is an island taken over by a fascist minor imperial power in conjunction with Australia with the behests of America The big differences are that Formosan natives have been completely wiped of their identities with KMT oppression. While on the other hand Timor is a divided (to the whims of mining monopolies) colonial zone of Indonesia with its nationalist identity still fighting the occupation despite genocide.
Xi is probably hoping for a case similar to the unification of Germany in which pro mainland elements in Taiwan can takeover and open a reunification election. Timor’s only escape as of now is a violent insurrection that not only for the toppling of Indonesia as a minor imperial state and the revoking of its irredentist claims but the separation of Australia from the position of being subject of the US power projection. A duel revolution.
>>539629 Man this made me nostalgic of the original Vietnam board on 8chan made by a bunch of bored hanoians.
Anonymous 2021-10-10 (Sun) 15:34:21 No. 541027
>>540804 The Taiwanese identity and nationhood is really up the air not can't be compared to Timor. Most separatist movements in Indonesia have very clear cut identity distinction from Java that Taiwan does not really enjoy.
Anonymous 2021-10-10 (Sun) 18:44:23 No. 541189
>>535090 >>536553 >>536149 >>537629 As a Latin American, I will tell you that evangelicals will be the death of your nations. Out of all the crimes USA committed in the region, the exportation of these scum is the worst crime they ever committed.
Anonymous 2021-10-10 (Sun) 21:00:39 No. 541370
>>541189 Evangelicalism enjoyed a brief period of popularity because of their message in combating the alcoholism epidemic. They later used it to push for more esoteric and reactionary shit like ethno-statism, cultish practices and quack medicine. All of it is helpfully funded by US delegations.
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 02:16:23 No. 541816
>>541189 Pan SEA-Latin America alliance when? Latin America is much cooler than SEA tbh.
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 02:56:17 No. 541861
>>541816 antipodean alliance? based!
with indonesia and brazil in the frontline
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 02:56:51 No. 541862
Speaking of evangelicals, what are the main factors of the rise of Indonesian radical Islam?
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 02:58:16 No. 541865
>>541027 >Most separatist movements in Indonesia have very clear cut identity distinction from Java >Taiwan does not really enjoy. taiwan has a clear-cut distinction with china too? also china insists that taiwan is theirs
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 04:41:53 No. 542062
>>541862 Saudis
>>541865 > taiwan has a clear-cut distinction with china too? Not really. I mean the current DPP are sympathetic to aboriginals there but the main bulk of them are still Han Chinese. I wouldn’t be able to tell a Taiwanese and Mainlander other than their written words.
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 04:59:30 No. 542101
>>541370 >Evangelicalism enjoyed a brief period of popularity because of their message in combating the alcoholism epidemic Are you talking about Latin America? They aren't really known for binge drinking the way Irish or Eastern Euros are
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 05:02:20 No. 542105
>>541370 >Evangelicalism enjoyed a brief period of popularity because of their message in combating the alcoholism epidemic Are you talking about Latin America? They aren't really known for binge drinking the way Irish or Eastern Euros are
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 05:31:43 No. 542134
>>542062 it's not just culturally
politically too
dpp is pro-independence and like to present themselves as taiwan
the ccp insists that taiwan is forever prc clay
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 12:04:06 No. 542399
>>542062 The saudis got their hands in pushing Wahhabism everywhere it seems. They are basically bribing local Cham hundreds of thousands of dollars with matriarchal islam to convert to their brand of retarded ideology.
>>542105 Nah, I’m talking locally. After the introduction of market economy in the 90s, the disadvantaged ethnic minority had their way of life dependent on state subsidies cut off. This predictably led to a wave of alcoholism similar to the eastern bloc when the USSR collapse. Then came Clinton and the Evangelists that rode his coattails. They basically use religion and monetary incentives to cure local prestigious members of the ethnic minority communities which made them quickly turned into an image a pure religion purging vices. In reality this wasn’t the case, they’re basically there in smuggled in more gusano contras under the guise of missionaries.
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 12:23:35 No. 542406
>>542399 >They are basically bribing local Cham hundreds of thousands of dollars with matriarchal islam to convert to their brand of retarded ideology. whoa
are there any radical islam orgs run by those chams there
like it does here
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 13:12:02 No. 545309
>>542406 Nah, they’re just bribing people so that they’ll use the Quran under Sunni with all the patriarchal bullshit along with it. Before that the Bani Chams follows a modified version of Islam with matrilineal community.
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 09:55:06 No. 546526
>>541861 >ywn live in a SEA-SA socialist hegemony versus the capitalist North >ywn read all about the dumb sectarianism between the parties about their form of socialism Someday we will have our own spotlight.
>>545397 STONKS an Indonesian once told me that the economy is recession proof because it is in a state of recession.
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 15:58:00 No. 553686
>>553100 I doubt they were expecting to go anywhere. Sucks that ASEAN can't do much.
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 16:13:07 No. 556615
Not technically South East Asia but:
https://truthout.org/articles/half-a-million-south-korean-workers-prepare-to-walk-off-jobs-in-general-strike/ Half a Million South Korean Workers Prepare to Walk Off Jobs in General Strike >On October 20, at least half a million workers in South Korea — from across the construction, transportation, service, and other sectors — will walk off their jobs in a one-day general strike. The strike will be followed by mass demonstrations in urban centers and rural farmlands, culminating in a national all-people’s mobilization in January 2022. The Korean Confederation of Trade Unions (KCTU), the country’s largest labor union umbrella with 1.1 million members, is organizing these mobilizations in a broad-based front with South Korea’s urban poor and farmers. >The 15 detailed demands of the strike can be summarized as fitting within three basic areas: <Abolish “irregular work” (part-time, temporary or contract labor with little or no benefits) and extend labor protections to all workers; <Give workers power in economic restructuring decisions during times of crisis; <Nationalize key industries and socialize basic services like education and housing. Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:11:20 No. 557435
>>556794 I hate how many mutt words got ported over to Vietnamese wholesale. Imperialism was the worst when it comes to language development. Well at least we’re not as cancerous as South Korea and Japan with their borrowing.
>>556615 <Nationalize key industries and socialize basic services like education and housing. Yeah that will never happen. The current chaebols oligarchy would rather have Bodo League massacre 2.0. rather than caving into anti-neoliberal reforms. Sad that North Korea won’t be able to use any of this as leverage since most of their base already got wiped out in the 50s and subsequent decades of fascist dictatorship of the South.
We seriously should have an East Asian general. Too bad we never have much real East Asian anons on the board and instead those threads are dominated by weebs and dengoids.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:32:08 No. 557519
>>556794 based peninsulabros
here we have taksi (teksi), polisi (polis) (polis here means policy), and perangko (setem)
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:40:06 No. 557535
>>557435 >Yeah that will never happen. Maybe the strike will overthrow the government, like the Arab Spring but good
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 03:30:25 No. 557566
>>556794 >>557435 Yea at least Chinese doesn’t suffer from this problem.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 05:55:09 No. 557645
>>557641 why tag my post tho
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 05:59:22 No. 557647
>>557645 Enough, fed. Quit playing. Whether you like it or not, Indonesia shall divided & collapse just like Yugoslavia. With some siding with China & some align with US.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 06:02:53 No. 557649
>>557647 Seems like a wild assertion to make but okay.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 07:25:58 No. 557698
>>557647 >Enough, fed you still call me a fed up to this day rotfl
>>557653 >Posting muh rupiah currency superiority isn't something a fed will do. yeah pretty much
why can you think like such first place
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 08:51:22 No. 557728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WGjqOCxDI This song mentions Japans invasion of China and /SEA/ and how Australian dockworkers and Seamen at Port-Kembla (Working together with a Chinese fraternal organisation) managed to halt the export of Iron for weapons to Japan by the Australian government for 4 months until the protest was dispersed by the police.
>"Right that Time" This song mentions the Sino-Japanese war and Korea obviously, Along with the Indonesian National-Revolution (where as the song says 'wharfies stopped loading any dutch-bound ships' i.e Ships flying the dutch or Dutch-Indonesian flag)
The part about Vietnam mentions the 'Boonaroo' which is the main focus of the next song.
>"Boonaroo" The HMS 'Boonaroo' was a ship who served a support role in the US/AUS/SoKo invasion of Vietnam. It's purpose was to ferry equipment to the ARVN.
As you can guess from everything else in this post, the wharfies/seamen refused to work on it eventually leading to the Navy being tasked with handling all commercial shipping to 'South-Vietnam'
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 09:52:39 No. 557758
>>557653 Yes? Literally who gives a shit about the exact strength of the rupee over here?
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 10:27:11 No. 557786
>>557698 >you still call me a fed up to this day rotfl Why not?
why can you think like such first place
Why don't you see your previous posts, huh?
Absolute bait to govt site such as kominfo?
>>464359 "CONSOOM WISELY" >>545397 "muh rupiah hegemony"? Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 10:30:28 No. 557789
>>557758 >Yes? Literally who gives a shit about the exact strength of the rupee over here? It's rupiah (Indon currency). Not rupee (Pajeet currency).
though at least those pajeets got their own representatives in the parliament & their rebels (albeit it's mautist) Anonymous 2021-10-23 (Sat) 08:32:35 No. 561195
>>557535 The Arab spring was directly funded by the CIA. I don’t see China doing the same in the immediate future or at all.
>>557795 How’s the resistance against the Omnibus laws going? Last time I heard the violent protests have stalled and replaced with more online elements.
Anonymous 2021-10-23 (Sat) 11:50:50 No. 561308
>>561195 >The Arab spring was directly funded by the CIA Why is it?
>I don’t see China doing the same in the immediate future or at all. What same thing though?
Anonymous 2021-10-23 (Sat) 23:15:45 No. 562335
>>561308 >Why is it? Because the real aim of the Arab Spring wasn’t to fight corruption or introduce liberal freedoms. It’s to destabilize MENA to consolidate the regional political power into the US’s two large extensions that are Israel and Saudi Arabia. Plus secularism is seen as a threat by these two, being theocratic ethno-states that function through ether a directly colonized people as in the former or a class of slave-like foreign labor as in the latter. With secularism gone so did any attempt of the victims of the Arab spring to hold onto their natural resources or a system without neoliberal austerity.
>What same thing though? Funding or expanding their version of welfare secular state abroad. It has been shown time and time again that China is fully comfortable with bribing ex-US allies to work for them rather than try to change the regimes of these anti-communist countries. They’ll never find a Chinese Arab Spring because the first one already benefited them tremendously. See both Philippines and Indonesia or even most of SEA for how they collaborate with neoliberalism for their own gain.
Anonymous 2021-10-23 (Sat) 23:23:26 No. 562355
>>562335 >Because the real aim of the Arab Spring wasn’t to fight corruption or introduce liberal freedoms. It’s to destabilize MENA to consolidate the regional political power into the US’s two large extensions that are Israel and Saudi Arabia. People don't talk about this enough.
Palestine was completely untouched by the Arab spring
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 03:50:28 No. 562594
>>557728 I have to say, I sympathize the Australian labour movement more than any other Anglos because they seemed more aware of international crises and causes and willing to act over it.
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 04:47:41 No. 562635
>>557728 why are australian workers that based? knowing that it's anglo
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 08:07:12 No. 562976
>>561195 >How’s the resistance against the Omnibus laws going? Last time I heard the violent protests have stalled and replaced with more online elements. BTFO, abandoned, destroyed, gone. Nothing remains. Let's hope Prabowo prediction come faster with the recession & all. Indonesia is on the verge of collapse anyway.
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 13:33:16 No. 563273
>>561195 >How’s the resistance against the Omnibus laws going? Last time I heard the violent protests have stalled and replaced with more online elements. No more news so I would say that the craze has ended.
>>562976 >Indonesia is on the verge of collapse anyway. In which senses?
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 14:28:42 No. 563339
>>562355 Palestine was half collapsing under the apartheid rule of Israel at that point. Now they’re closer to 80%. Plus Hamas is partly created by Mossad.
>>562985 So the article is saying commies can smear dogshit on Suharto’s statues as long as you use Islam as a crutch? Based.
>>562976 Sad and gay. People like to say how cucked South Korea is but the closest SEA get to that level might be Thailand and Indonesia.
Anonymous 2021-10-26 (Tue) 13:33:15 No. 567061
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/17/slaughter-in-indonesia-britains-secret-propaganda-war Welp turns out the entire PKI massacre was directly orchestrated by MI6 and CIA. Color me surprise.
Anonymous 2021-10-29 (Fri) 05:49:42 No. 572230
>>567061 It is an open secret. IIRC the historian who exposed the CIA can’t go back to America.
Anonymous 2021-11-02 (Tue) 23:37:00 No. 578724
>>577131 Another fat dumbass trying to play the victim by playing up her own plight. It’s just so stupid. WP seriously need some drastic personnel change for them to get any traction. Less drama queens and more of actual workers.
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 06:49:19 No. 579445
>>557566 One way or another, we do
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 07:44:30 No. 579505
>>578724 Excellent point! I assume you would be joining WP then?
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 14:11:41 No. 579887
>>579505 Changing it from the inside seems really difficult. I’m from a nonpartisan perspective here since I’m kinda too disillusioned with party politics rn. Not to mention the annoying SJWs already entrenched themselves in WP.
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 14:19:32 No. 579897
>>579887 Wow, including this, I literally have three (3) exact interactions regarding the response to this stupid event. How disappointing :/
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 07:29:08 No. 591503
>>590080 Hopefully no anon get caught up in future purges if Bongbong wins. God is dead.
Anonymous 2021-11-19 (Fri) 07:58:28 No. 605175
Bumping for more recent information from Myanmar. What the hell is happening?
https://facebook.com/ပြည်သူ့လွတ်မြောက်ရေးတပ်မတော်-184630383664128/ Anonymous 2021-11-28 (Sun) 04:07:58 No. 621168
>>590080 >God I fucking hate this region… You're not alone, anon
Finally some rationality.
Anonymous 2021-11-28 (Sun) 12:53:15 No. 621616
>>621168 >2 years to make the amendment >not change much Fugggg :dddd
Anonymous 2021-11-30 (Tue) 18:20:45 No. 624329
>>577131 lmao
fuck singapore
Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 00:23:08 No. 624908
>>624357 It’s just them externalizing their racism to the world. Nothing can be black without reminding them of slavery. Nothing can be yellow without reminding them of Chinese people. They live in a perpetual state of looking at the world as Americanized caricatures.
I literally can’t make a simple joke post without hundreds of American autists screaming cops about how they just decided to quit and they totally didn’t lose. Seriously what is there to be so salty about a war half a century ago.
You live in Thailand?
>>624469 >it’s still because of the fake rape allegations Man they shouldn’t have focused on something that matter so little.
Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 03:03:18 No. 625082
>>624908 >Man they shouldn’t have focused on something that matter so little. Tbf she doubled down like a dumbass.
Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 11:56:40 No. 625378
>>625082 The fact that she didn’t even bother fact checking before doing so is straight up idiotic. Basically clinging your entire career on a nobody whose story conveniently fitted into her agenda.
Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 11:57:22 No. 625379
>>625332 Nothing really matters, since Indon also part of China's puppet country
not only burgers puppet You got to be so dense if still believe in that country.
After all, what can Indon cucks done besides screw up everything?
Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 12:01:47 No. 625382
>>625378 Yea she could have just said that she heard from someone and nobody would really give a shit and/or can’t prove her wrong.
Anonymous 2021-12-02 (Thu) 05:52:58 No. 626453
212 RALLY: 5th Anniversary
Anonymous 2021-12-03 (Fri) 07:38:10 No. 627969
>>627968 >mfw it is true We aren’t going to make it bros…
302 !!BK7NQ2mxLk 2021-12-03 (Fri) 07:41:03 No. 627975
>>627973 >"Of more than 300 cases detected involving Omicron, it's all mild , even some people do not exhibit symptoms." Another source from Bloomberg:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-01/many-omicron-cases-are-in-the-vaccinated-says-australia-s-kelly Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 02:30:34 No. 630768
>>630046 >US funded Lel as oppose to the literal right wing military junta? I swear Chinese media has the dumbest most retarded takes ever to justify their gay geopolitical games. We get it you guys stans Chan Ocha. For fuck sake it’s neoliberal military dictatorship that hunts and murders communists with worship for a non functioning corrupt monarchy.
302 !!7TUiON/GlA 2021-12-05 (Sun) 08:19:35 No. 630923
>>630768 >I swear Chinese media has the dumbest most retarded takes ever to justify their gay geopolitical games Everyone must be alert to this simple fact. China is no real AES. It has gone the fashoid path lately. We can only see what Xi have done in the South China Sea. Also the fact that they paid creators to spread their propaganda should make us much more alert to the ever growing threat of China.
CHINA MUST BE REFORMED!!! Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 10:18:01 No. 630971
>>630046 The color revolution stuff the US is doing is basically a new form of warfare, that is blurring the lines between civilians and enemy combatants. The effect of this is that any kind of genuine grassroots organizing for democracy now requires having proper counter intelligence like a spy agency. That raises the bar to entry considerably, so the foreign policy of the US is lowering the probability of Democracy, and in true Orwellian tradition they label these organizations in double speak.
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 09:35:01 No. 633132
>>630971 And most of the time it’s not even a new tactic. They have completely taken over the organizing method of revolutionary warfare and rebranded it under the vague notions of democracy and freedom. Basically using our methods against us.
Nowadays it doesn’t even make much sense. Because most of the countries with color revolution isn’t even a welfare state but just countries not allied with the west. In Thailand’s case it’s incredibly blurry due to it being essentially a fascist neoliberal dictatorship headed by a military clique. With most of its supporters being actual reactionary monarchists. While the people against it are just salty because their succdem party got banned.
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 10:51:01 No. 633167
>>630971 >The color revolution stuff the US is doing is basically a new form of warfare, that is blurring the lines between civilians and enemy combatants This may actually be a successful tactic, considering that by blurring the lines between the opposition and the enemy they would easily label the enemy as a "democratic force" although sometimes they can be far-right as fuck.
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 15:05:28 No. 633511
https://newmultitude.org/are-protests-in-thailand-a-colour-revolution-no/ Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 10:35:29 No. 642286
>>577131 lol she's just pulled down the rest of the wp with her now
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 15:28:32 No. 642464
>>640929 What an explosive temper! :^)
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 03:21:21 No. 643389
>>643285 one wonders how jeyaretnam managed to survive ah kong for thirty-forty years
if ah kong were around during this mess - i think the wp would cease to exist by christmas
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:27:08 No. 643721
>>643317 >right wing shithole <Singapore I’m not the biggest fan of Singapore and the PAP dictatorships of theirs but it’s a social democratic country. They don’t even had any right wing inclination with their nationalism being a complex can of worms. Most of the system is supported by welfare with the biggest neoliberal element being their tax haven and seaports status. That’s it.
302 !!5cs5Juuar6 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:08:39 No. 643784
>>643317 >right wing shithole Except that it isn't the case.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 16:12:05 No. 643901
>>643317 am i the only one cumming buckets to pritam singh now? what a bloody good performance, almost as good as jbj
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 16:19:58 No. 643903
>>643317 Holy shit; quit being a brainlet. Obviously Khan could talk about how shitty the cops are, but it is just fucking dumb to insert herself in that story of hers. She could have said that anecdote and PAP couldn’t prove shit!
Really is 画蛇添足
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 02:08:02 No. 650252
>>643903 The virgin believe the witness vs The chad making shit up to troll the cops
>>649600 Surprisingly based
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 02:19:29 No. 650257
>>649600 >labor strike >union BASED
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 02:22:21 No. 650258
>>650252 Damn, imagine if Khan pulled a "Was only pretending to be retarded." at the very end of the saga…
Whole country will melt down.
302 !!doZbJ0GUWM 2021-12-25 (Sat) 01:52:34 No. 659571
>>659005 Merry Christmas to you!
MAY OUR LIBERATOR JESUS CHRIST BE WITH US Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 04:58:40 No. 659705
>>659571 your liberator, not ours
jesus and his followers have only bought famine and diseases onto our lands
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 00:51:03 No. 660819
>>659705 Probably ironic but modern day Christianity is everything the real Jesus Christ wasn’t. Both Catholicism and Protestantism.
Anonymous 2021-12-28 (Tue) 01:54:31 No. 663550
>>663500 Sure but then I fear we will face the same problems as EU. Like having Indonesia lording over the smaller countries due to its sheer size like Germany in the EU. It would be difficult for Indonesia to accept having a disporpotionate influence in ASEAN in exchange for regional autonomy.
And all the problems of creating our own economic bloc. All the European Left parties are soft Eurosceptic for a reason. China and USA will definitely fuel such ASEAN skepticism in political groups and parties to advance their agenda like Russia does with the Identity and Democracy group in Europe.
I heard AMLO is proposing some South America bloc with some countries like Cuba and Venezuela. Worth seeing if he can pull it off and emulating. But yea a pan-SEA bloc will at least require 'democratic' and 'progressive' centre-left parties that can look past their nationalism to build it.
Anonymous 2021-12-29 (Wed) 11:06:22 No. 665440
>>663550 >Sure but then I fear we will face the same problems as EU. Like having Indonesia lording over the smaller countries due to its sheer size like Germany in the EU. Very much so. Indonesia have the same interbloc colonial politics as Germany with Eastern Europe albeit in even more explicit level over both Timor Leste and West Papua. Of which was built and fostered by the US proxy Australia. But I think this position will be untenable in the long run if ASEAN to become more independent. Indonesia and a lot of the island nations of SEA was still not truly recovered from the Asian market crash of the 90s and ruling over a economic bloc will stretch the already thinning polities thinner. The best case scenario is a political stalemate between 2 to 3 countries of who being the top. Balancing the economic and political outreach in 3 spheres of overlapping influence. With the only agreement being: “yeah we compete against each other but we shouldn’t let foreign intervention to turn anyone into a puppet.” The polity should be made for the incentives for cooperation heavily outweighs selling out.
>And all the problems of creating our own economic bloc. All the European Left parties are soft Eurosceptic for a reason. I would say that some careful comparison should be made between us and the EU. As the EU, contrary to the narrative of many vocal minority, is an entity still haven’t escaped from its creator the US. Evidently noted by how easily the US was able to convince the UK to leave through propaganda and lobbying. It’s not much more independent than it was during the Cold War. Plus they have a system to vent out most of their nationalism to other markets with their pseudo neocolonial possessions elsewhere, now only limited to Africa. The rest of the extreme ultra nationalism is made to form the far right conservative wall to surround Russia and protect itself. The only part where they’re slightly left (as in having a comprehensive free movement and welfare) are places where they needed to be to gather support. Like Central Europe and Scandinavia.
SEA don’t have an imperialized market except for the aforementioned Indonesian holdings. And the whole goal of making ourselves stronger was to remove major powers influence so having a big brother backing is out of the question. However we do have a unique advantage in that the US had abandoned the region since the 90s with the threat of the Soviet Union gone and will take time to fully reassert its dominance over the capitalist countries. China itself hasn’t had any big foothold except for in Cambodia (Myanmar and Thailand is still to be seen and the Philippines is just in a constant state of flip flopping). So I think we have about 20 years of free time to get our shit together.
First is to expand the regional transportation with less foreign funding. Then is as you said, something of a pink or red wave to stop to the nationalist bickering.
Anonymous 2021-12-30 (Thu) 17:22:24 No. 666995
Are we cycled? Should we made a new thread?
>>665440 I guess you may be right about the economic independence (or at least its potential) for SEA but I doubt a pink or red wave will sweep this region within 20 years to make ASEAN possible.
Anonymous 2021-12-31 (Fri) 12:21:51 No. 668005
>>666995 No we don’t need to. We got upgraded into cycling a month ago. I’ll archive the thread from time to time in case anything is lost.
>I doubt a pink or red wave will sweep this region within 20 years to make ASEAN possible. Vietnam and other sucdems need to step up their game and stop with the cucked non interventionist stance.
302 Found !!Q1QSLK9e.2 2021-12-31 (Fri) 17:07:29 No. 668155
HAPPY NEW YEAR /SEA/!!!
Anonymous 2021-12-31 (Fri) 21:22:08 No. 668361
>>668155 Happy new year guys!
Anonymous 2022-01-01 (Sat) 02:47:06 No. 668840
>>668155 Best case scenario is that they’ll pass the new minimum wage increase this year. It has been delayed enough.
Anonymous 2022-01-01 (Sat) 11:37:57 No. 669177
>>668005 Cycling kills the freshness of the general after a while though.
Anonymous 2022-01-01 (Sat) 22:27:31 No. 669726
So what's the actual deal with the Rohingya? Are they actually native to that part of Myanmar they got kicked out of? Western NGOs pretended to care about them when it was happening but no longer
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 08:50:39 No. 671803
>>669177 True. However two SEAnons are part of the mods so you can try addressing them on the local or general matrix chat. I would like to make new threads too but I don’t know whether it is a popular opinion that garner change.
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 10:02:54 No. 671838
>>671803 >However two SEAnons are part of the mods There is only one and
I am asking you to do it 302 Found !!DbiSlR6.Dw 2022-01-03 (Mon) 11:52:39 No. 671884
>>671865 >Is it worth supporting? Depends on who you ask; personally yes, albeit what I want is that Papua becomes a free association with Indonesia just like what Cook Islands and Niue are both of which free associated states of New Zealand.
>Do Aussies really give them aid, as Indonesians on Reddit claim I don't really know much about that matter.
>Is it true that Indonesia treats them like an internal colony? Yes. With lots of human rights violations and misinformation of course.
>Why does CPP supports them Papuans are victims to human rights violations.
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 15:19:53 No. 672067
>>389969 Lol, it's not hard at all. How retarded are you?
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 15:22:57 No. 672071
>>391855 Imagine the hubris
You, a western faggot. Probably never worked a real job or supported yourself. Probably have a shitty life, no success or achievements to speak of.
Moreover…
Everything you know about Marxism and the world is from books.
Also…
Assume you know the way forward for Vietnam better than Vietnamese.
Literally the definition of Dunning Kruger syndrome
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 17:10:47 No. 672284
>>672071 Stick this neo calvinist bullshit up your ass cocksucker
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 02:29:54 No. 672968
>>672071 >the moment I post without a flag I get called a westerner by a westerner Curious don’t you think? But seriously though, the current welfare capitalism is gay as shit because it is still not adequate in dealing with inequality outside of the WB and IMF bracket.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:07:18 No. 677279
>>672071 you are literally talking to a Vietnamese communist you dengist cuuuuuuuunt
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:55:17 No. 677356
>>374637 >image 2 >SEA stands united against chinese revisionism All of SEA is communist?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:56:40 No. 677361
>>677356 More like the future communist SEA would look like this I suppose.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:30:36 No. 677407
>>677276 >Indonesia's collapse inevitable Hope that it starts a new chapter for Maritime SEA. Especially a federation of Maphilindo.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:03:10 No. 677465
>>677361 Amen. If only all monarchies were overthrown and Singapore descends into a crisis.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:53:40 No. 677627
>>677407 more like neo-majapahit amirite
imagine if the nusantara reinvents a casteless progressive hindu-buddhism and whips south asia's regressive ass with it
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:38:04 No. 679354
>>677407 A United independent Papua should be an ASEAN member. Just to not only break out of the control of Australia (i.e. US puppet).
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:22:17 No. 679405
Vietnam should annex the entire mainland SEA. down to Singapore. All of Borneo goes to Indonesia. Fewer large countries will be more economically viable.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 14:49:22 No. 681691
>economically viable
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:09:13 No. 681719
>>679405 >All of Borneo goes to Indonesia you mean under the control of Penajam-Kutai? Amen for that. We want a socialist Maphilindo back. Down with Sembilan Naga!!!
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