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5th Edition: Real succdem hour edition
Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, Myanmar breaking apart or just random shit. There’r still dozens of us… hopefully!
Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
MISCONCEPTIONS OF SINGAPORE AKA MAI GONG JIAO WEI
Singapore has no resources -> Shut the fuck up
I swear people overseas even the people seem to think this country's success came from nothing. What people tend to forget and ignore is we were literally created precisely because of our prime location. Draw a line in seaes from the Suez to Panama. If you noticed you have to past by Singapore, congratulations you were thinking just like Raffles. Singapore has the busiest port in the whole world because of our location. I had to have foreigners tell me that their coastlines almost never had ships because mine is constantly saturated by them as they are queuing up for the port. Our port is the reason why most of the population are Chinese, as Singapore is the port of call for many migrants that are looking for work. Mines will eventually hollow out, oil fields will eventually dry up, but our port is the one resource that will never dry up, at least until the ice caps melts.
Singapore is a bastion of free market capitalism -> Shut the fuck up
How can a country that basically owns its own airline, media companies and transport services, most of the land, build and own the houses most of its citizens live in be considered a symbol of free market capitalism? Even our National Trade Union Congress does own multiple cooperatives, the most notable one being the biggest supermarket chain in the island.
Singapore is dominated by Asian values->Maybe
While those shilling the Asian values are just coping and seething from the criticism from liberals, East Asian culture is rather distinct from the West in many ways. However the people still shilling this shit in 10s to 20s in order to deter the liberals are almost always westernized Christians and arabized Muslims. That isn't to say the Buddhists and Hinduists are suddenly for liberal's shit like LGBTQ rights, but are more ambivalent or on the fence about it in a recent survey
Singapore is fascist-> Maybe
Singapore is genuinely founded on tripartitism, with our own NTUC affirming its status as cooperative to Captial rather than confrontational. Look if you think that the Nordic succdems' tripartitism makes them fascist then sure so are we.
Free feel to tell me any impressions of Singapore and I will do my best to tell if it is close to the truth or not.
Would you say that ,as a gross oversimplification of course ,that the countries in mainland SEA have been more impacted by the indian civilization compared to the chineze with the exception of vietnam ?
Why is there little pro-democracy movement in Singapore?
You have to ask the natives of the region since I am part of the regional Chinese minority >.>>>377867
You are gonna have to be more specific about what is a 'pro-democracy movement'. 40% did not vote against PAP last year because they were 'pro-democracy' but for a slew of reasons.
How have things been going in Indonesia? I know a lot of anons were posting about the radicalization of their labor movement recently, has the worker's movement grown in the wake of Covid neoliberalism?palestinePalestine
Im just saying its better to have a nationalized capitalist economy than the washington census forced down your country's throat and common foli bearing the cost
reminiscent of when Parliament discussed the legality of bartop dancing back in 2003>If you want to dance on a bar top, some of us will fall off the bar top. Some people will die as a result of liberalising bar top dancing… a young girl with a short skirt dancing on it may attract some insults from some other men, the boyfriend will start fighting and some people will die>t. Vivian Balakrishnan
A more recent case is this guy who lives in a landed property and put up some artifacts and statue outside his house. IIRC people like his stuff and was interviewed too. But had to be clamped down by the government due to this violation of congesting the side walk. What a joke, following the letter of the law over the spirit. Could have been a lowkey museum.
It’s so cursed that the Golkar - the same shell party made for the sole purpose of orchestrating sham elections for Suharto under the new order, are now ardent shills for China. The fact that makes it even more hilarious is that the PDI-P is somehow a “center-left” party in Indonesia.>>378458>pic related
Have Tsien Long started on having a successor or is that still behind close doors?viet_congViet Cong
iirc Heng Swee Keat was tapped as successor, but they waffled on that recently, supposedly due to Lee wanting to steer the ship outta the pandemic or somesuch reason. As I understand there isn't a clear successor right now, with lots of speculation around three possible picks
Even PDIP leader shilling for dengbroshttps://www.world-today-news.com/megawatis-video-congratulating-the-chinese-communist-party-goes-viral-pdip-seniors-are-surprised/
For a note, there's no remnants of any left wing movements that posses imminent threat to the government & the oligarchs.
Lmao Heng Swee Keat was the heir apparent, but he was shuffled to THE
battleground GRC in order to pressure the locals to not vote Workers Party. Yet he took L after L. And finally the % in that area dropped even further. He almost lost it.
So now he suddenly has health complications (that he already had before) so he wants to step down. But probably his internal rivals are using the 2020 defeat to get rid of him.
I kinda like him compared to the Kee motherfucking Chiu. He was the best they got since he was pushing for more relief for the people in the pandemic. East Coast is definitely gonna flip now
wtf PAS is based?
>>381407>his holiness Mr Xi Jinping
This shit is beyond parody. It would be so hilarious if Deng beetles on the board started to venerate Suharto and modern Indonesia is socialism whereas China is communism.>>381416
Prabowo is such a meme. He’s like what happens if Trump and a deathsquad leader have a kid together.
Prolly just exaggerating greetings
The PRC’s cult of personality for still living people is so weird from the outside. Every single people from Mao onwards have their own system of ideology even for old crypto-neoliberal asshole like Jiang Zemin. Especially from other SES countries.
Even the DPRK never had a school of thought made up with every new leader and over there they have the Kims to be a country figurehead. Here the school of Ho Chi Minh thought was a relatively new thing that only came about in the 90s as a rallying for Đổi Mới. The politburo was extremely reserved in implementing it too because Uncle Ho’s writing was more about party structure, the party’s policies in the position as the people’s vanguard and general decision making that is very specific for the historical conditions of the country. In the end, even the veneration toward him is still somewhat limited to the country’s founding father similar to Lenin which happened 30 years after his death. Cuba is also similar as Fidel is only considered a great revolutionary and a prolific statesman while the party still sticks to the ideological line of Marxist - Leninism in combination Jose Marti’s thoughts line.viet_congViet Cong
Cope & seethe, retardThis is a map of Asia in the aftermath of a highly unlikely Conventional World War III (Nuclear weapons wouldn’t be used by either side for obvious reasons) between Dengist China/Putinist Russia and their allies (the DPRK, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, the other CSTO states, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.) and the U$ and it’s allies (The other NATO states, the GUAM states, the GCC states, Israel, India, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the RIO pact states, etc.). This will probably never happen because Dengist China/Putinist Russia and their Capitalist elites are fully integrated in the Global Capitalist Economy (ie. Dengist China is a sweatshop for the U$, Putinist Russia is a gas station for the EU, the Russian Oligarchs and Chinese “Communist” billionaires have second homes in the U$ and EU, Chinese Companies are listed on the NYSE, and U$ hedge funds are invested in both Dengist China and Putinist Russia, etc.). However, it’s still an interesting thought experiment to analyze how badly Dengist China/Putinist Russia would be defeated in a hypothetical Conventional World War III. As you can see from the Balkanization of Dengist China and its allies in Asia (ie. Iran, Pakistan, DPRK, etc.), it is a epic defeat for the Capitalist, Imperialist, and Fascist state of Dengist China, due to the vast conventional supremacy of the U$ military (ie. F-22/35 Stealth fighters, B-2 Stealth Bombers, B-52s with ALCMs, 20 Aircraft Carriers, 92 Destroyers/Cruisers with Tomahawk cruise missiles, Patriot/Thaad/Aegis ABMs, etc.) that would absolutely crush the Knock-off toy military of Dengist China, LOL. Take this as a friendly reminder from a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist that any “Communist” taking sides in Inter-Imperialist conflicts and believing that “Daddy Xi” is going to deliver them “Socialism” is a blithering idiot, who is for all intents and purposes a Neoliberal, Neoconservative, Fascist with “Chinese“ characteristics, LMAO. The only Socialist forces in the world today are the Maoist rebels engaging in ongoing Protracted People’s Wars in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru. DOWN WITH U$, EUROPEAN, RUSSIAN, AND CHINESE IMPERIALISM! DOWN WITH CAPITALISM, LIBERALISM, FASCISM, AND REVISIONISM! LONG LIVE THE PROTRACTED PEOPLES WARS IN INDIA, THE PHILLIPINES, TURKEY, AMD PERU! LONG LIVE MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM! WORKERS AND OPRESSED NATIONS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
Stop crying and shitting
Gotta be king lear, LOL
Every time. Looking like maximum autism to me. I love how the DPRK and Cuba is somehow and ally to China while Vietnam is an ally to the US even when all three never subscribed to such binary notion.
It’s incredible how you can even make Mautism looks worse than it already is.
How would you solve the Spratley island situation /SEA/?
Give it all to Serbia
Don't give to China or Taiwan.
Probably the best realistic solution would be a joint venture between SEA and China. Which was a possibility since both China and Vietnam had it on the table up to 2014, when China just go full military action and colonization on the area, leading to the relationship hitting near-rock bottom. Of course it’s the breaking point after a steady decline due to terrible joint investment ventures, economic sabotage and busting of spies.
Speaking on the subject, it seems like Duterte and his administration are extremely split on what to do on the stance with or against China. This makes me wonder what does the average Dutertites think of this. Do they think that simping for China is a good thing or this is 9000-dimensional chess Duterte is playing?viet_congViet Cong
Can a Vietnamese Anon (If any of you are still here) explain how Vietnam / the CPV works?
Like elections and so on.
Do you think there legit?
Why are there independent members of the legislature? Is it reserved seating for ethnic minorities or controlled op or something?eurekaEureka
>>384840>Can a Vietnamese Anon (If any of you are still here) explain how Vietnam / the CPV works?
A one party welfare state. But that doesn’t mean there’s only one political organization within the country. Both the fatherland front and the confederation of labor serve as other political bodies for non-communist left nationalist and workers respectively. The CPV works like any other communist party with democratic centralism. The main body is constituted from smaller local orgs within many organizations within the country like state apparatus, private companies, campuses and municipal bodies. You vote people from your local orgs to participate in elections of larger bodies toward voting in the politburo.>Like elections and so on. Do you think there legit?
There’s two levels of voting. Party voting for the aforementioned local and central committee which limited for party members of course. And national vote for the National Assembly in which everyone is allow to participate.
The party voting certainly has a lot of power play and realpolitik involved but that’s a certainty. However most of the time you have to walk the walk and talk the talk in order to get higher than provincial positions. The requirements are extremely stringent, any signs of deep opportunism are rooted out before the central committee voting procedures. As the party learned that lesson the hard way after a Chinese agent almost got to the position of general secretary. National elections however is hampered by people not caring about who they vote for. Younger generations don’t even care for reading personal biographies, accomplishments, policy programs or even how theoretically knowledge of their chosen candidates which sucks. >Why are there independent members of the legislature?
Due to the complex history of Vietnam right after reunification. We used to have three different leftist parties before they were reunited with the CPV during the complete blockade years in the 80s. It was a paranoid time when US and PRC funded contras constantly infiltrate the country so having multiple parties was seen as a liability. Not only that, the groups that supported reunification wasn’t only the communists but also the patriotic religious groups. They used to be apart of the southern government but then grew against them once that puppet government revealed itself to be completely under the US’ thumb. On the other hand, ethnic secessionists (mostly ARVN veterans) wasn’t put down by arms but by peaceful reconciliation so they’re now part of the fatherland front. In fact one of the most notorious leaders of FULRO was later reformed by the government and now serving as on of the more pivotal people in the efforts of modernization in the western highlands.>Is it reserved seating for ethnic minorities or controlled op or something?
For non-communist labor organizers, ethnic minorities, and religious leaders. Yesviet_congViet Cong
Happy Eid Al Adha, we ought to sacrificing porkies more than just camels, cows, or lambs.
The real essense of it is to remove lust for greed. Porkies shilling for greed.islamic_communismIslamic Communism
thx for answering.
Do you think Vietnam could still be considered socialist in this moment? (Obviously in the transitionary / state-capitalist sense of 'A marxist government developing productive forces and addressing social-needs' etc etc etc)eurekaEureka
>>388856>Vietnam could still be considered socialist in this moment?
The country? No. The party? Yes. See the Nguyễn Phú Trọng speech on building socialism for a more in-depth analysis. >>374639
In all current or past documents, the party has never mentioned that it has reached socialism. Even during the planned economy phase it’s only “building toward socialism” (nobody wants to repeat Cornholio’s mistake). I share the same sentiment. Both because the private sector’s huge role in the country right now and even if Vietnam becomes an independent, self-sufficient, cybernetically planned economy tomorrow I wouldn’t consider it socialism. Because socialism needs to be a global system and without a constant exportation of revolution, it will just be like any other commune waiting to be surrounded and destroyed but on a slightly larger scale.
On another note, my personal views isn’t popular. I can seen as the far left spectrum of the CPV, something that in modern times mocked as “overtly Bolshevik”.viet_congViet Cong
Fancier term for prostitutes. It’s so fucking annoying that finding a legit massage parlors here is basically impossible. You either have the fake ones that is basically cheap prostitute rings or the place that is prohibitively expensive that usually reserved for women.>the axe kid is only 16 and had tried to kill himself in 2019
Christ on a bike. What’s with the young mental issues in the youth and Singapore? Seems like youth suicides over there is high too. First time I’ve ever heard of something like this.viet_congViet Cong
>>389906>started in the the infamous Golden Mile Complex
I was hearing that it was first detected there, but likely came in through the fishery port, where another, linked cluster was detected shortly after. Anyway, time for fucking Lockdown 3: We're Not Calling It That.>>389969>What’s with the young mental issues in the youth and Singapore
If I had to guess, basically two things crashing together for maximum shit: a pressure cooker educational system, and general lack of awareness/understanding of mental health issues (friends who've been admitted tell me the Institute of Mental Health is… lacking). The usual result is a student killing themselves every few years due to less-than-stellar exam results. First I've heard of someone taking an axe to another student, though.
You're an actual Vietnamese? Based
What do your countrymen think about Marxism? And China?
I won’t be surprised if the kid had a manifesto
If he had one, he probably wouldn’t kill a random younger kid he never knew in a bathroom. It doesn’t seem like a school murderer’s MO to do so.>>391739
It’s hard to generalize people but most don’t care much about politics. The days of high revolutionary spirit is long gone. Vietnam currently has a similar mentality to most of SEA in the “gibb me that” politics. People just want their welfare and good livelihood, that’s it. For people who know of Marxism there’s two big sides: full dengist-tier socdems that genuinely believes in building socialism and leftnats that use it to justify market reforms.
For, China it’s a love/hate relationship. They’re one of our biggest economic partners, but they’re also the biggest economic saboteurs. However the territorial schism has made it leaning more toward hate.viet_congViet Cong
Wouldn't China get affected by the fallout than us? Japan is pretty far away.
It looks like Duterte wants to end the insurgency in the Philippines ASAP by designing NDF (the erstwhile legal front of NPA) as a terrorist organization.
What consequences will this have on that country's politics?sandinistaSandinista
Another shitty paper tiger move from the resident flip-flop President. He did it before 3 years ago, no one cares. Duterte is like Trump, all bark no bite. Their fans are also similar in that they genuinely wish for a dynastic dictatorship for their favorite candidate.https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1018188
To any Singaporean (or Malay if none are here) Anon here.
Is the meme true that your country is basically 'Le horrific cyberpunk dystopia' thats basically has all its major infrastructure owned by one company?eurekaEureka
Kinda-sorta not really? We got hit hard by the neoliberal bug, but we still retain some social democratic features. Major infrastructure (if I remember correctly) remains in the State's hands. Maybe South Korean chaebols are closer to what you're thinking of.
>>393902>(or Malay if none are here)
The correct term is Malaysian. Ethnic Chinese and Malay both live in Singapore and Malaysia.
>thats basically has all its major infrastructure owned by one company?
Yea if that company is named Temasek Holdings or something. Government does own a lot of major infrastructure. We even renationalized our railways after that disaster. We are the closet IRL to a cyberpunk dystopia, but not the 'everything is owned by corporations' element of it
Really hoping Singapore wins at least one gold medal this time.
Fuck the nips and the chinks, as a Korean we're honorary SEAsian
>>400182>as a Korean we're honorary SEAsian
With all the rape children you leave here after the war, you probably could consider that. Also what’s the deal with the cult problems in Korea? I pretty much haven’t seen even one charity program from over there that aren’t insane evangelical cults.viet_congViet Cong
I'd imagine a desire for an alternative to the hyper capitalist hell means cults are popular
Can anyone clarify if Laos considers itself a socialist country? What is their position regarding Vietnam and China? How is the economy?
Also what's the situation of leftist movements on Indonesia? I heard that the communist party was very popular until they all got killed by CIA.
touch some grass bro
>>383501>east turkestan>independent tibet>republic of china
>>391855>For, China it’s a love/hate relationship. They’re one of our biggest economic partners, but they’re also the biggest economic saboteurs. However the territorial schism has made it leaning more toward hate.
Then why spend day in day out dabbing on dengbros?
Because SEAsian has met and dealt with Chinese mainlanders to know that Chinese socialism is highly overrated all the time.
Shout out to Philippines for winning their first gold.
Redpill me on the current opposition in Malaysia. Are they any good? >>402983
Because I’m not a dengoid. I’m not satisfied with another welfare democracy with red paint of today because there’s still so much to be done not only in my country but for the region as a whole. The rich still gets richer and the workers still get less. Plus the market economy has always been a capitalist influence on the country that needs to be ruled out. The end.
I mean if all ruling parties in SEA suddenly change their names to The communist party of [insert country name here] while keeping their policies of minor welfare with neoliberal characteristics intact, you Westerners would go full idiocy to wholeheartedly support them. Hell, a lot already did with Duterte when he simped for China.viet_congViet Cong
PSM is pretty based and DAP is the local succdem party.
Why isn't this thread as active as the others?
Moonies and their parallels in Korea and Japan are an actual CIA operation.
Their meant to channel hatred of capitalism into hippy trippy new age shit and praying to jesus.eurekaEureka
There are dozens of us … dozens!
One there’s not many active posters, most just lurk around. We used to have posters from Thailand and the Philippines but they seemed to have left.
Second there’s just not many SEAnon period. We probably have at most 10 people on the thread at all time.>>408944
How’s the new lockdown measures?
Fuck the new lockdown measures. Who gives a fuck? Focus on the real problem here. Our golden boy lost before going into the semifinals.
Sian as fuck right now.
Reminder that my country (Netherlands) tried to bleed Soekarno dry to try and turn him unfavorable in the west, and ruined the lives of many Dutch-Indonesian people that tried to show journalistic integrity about post-colonial Indonesia.
Whenever Dutch journalists would speak to him it would always be him vs us, blaming the independence war on Soekarno, when Soekarno loved the Dutch people and wanted to strengthen the severed ties.egoismEgoism
>>408976>How’s the new lockdown measures?
I'm mostly just mad they shut the gyms again, and the convoluted assistance schemes they rolled out are a confusing mess that might net me a few hundred bucks if I even qualified.
They have did it. In the New Order government there is a strict de-Sukarnoization policy with renamings and political suppression of his family.
>>408978>Soekarno loved the Dutch people and wanted to strengthen the severed ties.
But that’s the problem. We now have the power of retrospection, and now it’s clear that decolonization must be done through revolutionary means. Independence is something you fought for with blood and sweat, not something given peacefully.
Connecting the severed ties will just make Indonesia be like any francophone countries in Africa, perpetually reliant on the neocolonialists for everything.
The will of an imperial power always goes completely against any attempt at independence. Trying to parlay with them is basically digging your own shallow grave. See the fate of Aung San in Burma. Or how the socialist were retroactively wiped from history of Malayan independence.
Soekarno’s doom was inevitable because he at heart was a social democrat that held to power through the 3 mutually hostile force (the militant Muslim, the fascist military and the electoral communists). The CIA only needed to nudge a bit and everything came falling down.viet_congViet Cong
>>410483> Or how the socialist were retroactively wiped from history of Malayan independence.
Word. Anglos really fucked us over with the handling of the independence. Fuck you Anglos.
Looks like Chan O-Cha is opting for containing the news about the pandemic rather than the pandemic itself.>Thailand implemented new regulations on Friday that appeared to broaden the government’s ability to restrict media reports and social media posts about the coronavirus pandemic, raising immediate concerns that authorities will seek to stifle criticism.>It also gives Thai regulators the ability to force internet service providers to turn over the IP address of the person or entity distributing such news, and to “suspend the internet service to that IP address immediately.”https://apnews.com/article/business-health-media-coronavirus-pandemic-ebbe28f11fb5a2f12b6663522a148765
this Ministry of Truth shit in SEA sucks tbh.
Bump for the olympics gold
Still can’t believe that China lost in badminton of all things. Crazy.
smh Singapore is gonna get rekt by China tomorrow. :(
Indonesians are onto badminton and soccer.>>418103
at least it's shortstack porn
Apparently our fields aren't as wide and spacious as theirs
We got wrecked already. Couldn’t care less.>>420690
Australia will never be able to expand that outside of a LARPing hobby. The water sources over there is scarce enough as it is. Plus grain is a hugely low profit commodity. It’s not a cash crop by any mean.>>418247>literal fat children porn
Short stack is a worse fetish than scat.viet_congViet Cong
Don't know about Xi's land, but I want huge, and hi-tech equipments for doing rice paddle field in Socialist countries which depend on rice.
Greysia and Aprilia, both gold medalists of this year's Olympics, awarded Rp. 5B, cows, a restaurant, and a house.https://www.the-sun.com/sport/3410945/indonesia-olympic-gold-badminton-cows-meatball-restaurant-cash/
It's no surprise, just another distraction tactics to divert current conflicts.
Umm… what the heck do you mean???
>>428920>i will not sell
then why did you buy stocks
Pandemic mismanagement and the government is collapsing.
Who the heck are you? And are you even from SEA?
where the SEA politics at
Why has this thread gone into a backwater, a sleepy one I guess, with no activity despite this being 12:25PM in my place right here?
Question, how is Vietnam viewed by the Rest of South East Asia(specially Malaysia and Indonesia) I remember reading Lee Kwan Yew's book where the popular serotypes about the Vietnamese was that they were militaristic and arrogant after defeating the Americans and Chinese
They are none other than our neighbors, we never antagonized them, in fact we indirectly supported Vietnam by acting harsh against China on the SCS issue (in other words we and Vietnam oppose China's SCS ambitions, we have the same stance)
Yes but how are Vietnamese people viewed here, what's the Stereotype
Not even a dengoid but isn’t reddit are full of them lately? GenZedong is basically a dengist hive.>>428946
Squatting in the local park isn’t guerrilla war bro.
Kind of a big teeter totter. Internationally no country want to pick sides because the concurrent arraignment is so profitable. Domestically it’s a constant tug of war between the liberals and the socdems. Liberals introduce some retarded market reforms, immediate pushback happens, then the socdems have to come out to appease the masses.
Last time it happened here was when a bunch of people in the National Assembly try vouch for more liberal labor laws and extension to retirement age.>>429106
How’s the vaccine coverage rate now?viet_congViet Cong
>>430494>Indonesia is brazil tier
Well except in Leftypol, where I'm the sole indonesian here I guess…
Oh, good question. We treat them as your usual netizens, not acting like retards.
Virtually all of Indonesia's major parties are rooting for China, even its Muslim organizations follow suit by visiting Xinjiang. Which is kind of based.
The whole thing with Xinjiang was bullshit anyway. The camps are so much less brutal than the Japanese interment camps in ww2 and the current camps for migrants. China just has bad PR.
IKR! Even one leader said that those camps are like your usual pesantren (Islamic schools).
Very poor, i think they hit 1 million infected?
Indonesia is at 8.5%
Why isn't there Singapore on that list?
Nobody cares about us :(
They should be in Nguyen tier btw
I hate that you're right. As much I hate Muhyiddin it's not clear that he actually believes in anything other than being in office. I suspect it's the same for Filipinos and Indonesians as well.
Recently there’s a trend here called #DayaRusakJokowiLuarBiasa, it’s basically calling out Jokowi’s failures during the presidency. Indonesia actually became more conservative and nationalistic as time passes (to appease boomer Muslim ulemas), but at least he banned FPI last December though.
Same. Probably gonna get my 2nd shot next week. Working at a quarantine center now.>>430681
It so annoying that most Vietnamese people only have a presence on fedbook. That site sucks ass.>>430540
Are there any Indonesian image boards?viet_congViet Cong
So far none. My friends only used Instagram and Line most of the time (Line is mostly for school stuff), my mom has a Facebook account (she’s born in 1976), and some of my friends used Twitter too. I don’t know if some of them used Reddit, and they definitely don’t use Kaskus (a local forum). None of my friends used 4chan, nor they know anything about it, let alone Leftypol. There are currently no Indonesian image boards (formerly there is Indochan but since it has long been dead).
I’m getting my shot later this year (I contracted Covid, and it takes approximately 8 weeks before you can get vaxxed).
How’s the symptoms for you? Recently I heard of an entire family in the province I’m work dying of covid with the matriarch stricken with survivor’s guilt. Depressing shit.>>430741
The only Vietnamese image board I knew of died with 8chan. Comfy place.viet_congViet Cong
I just got flu like-symptoms, but the first night of quarantine riddled me with headache, and slight muscle pains came thereafter. I have no difficulty breathing.
WHO'S CELEBRATING THEIR INDEPENDENCE DAY THIS MONTH?
Clearly not Malaysia lmao
I am celebrating mine right now. Woooo Singapore woooo.
Yep! A big shoutout to you!
Eight days left and it's mine!
I dont care for it anyway. It is pretty bullshit.
You guys still around?
This. Especially VietAnon, get in here!
Not to forget your fellow red-and-white poster! Guess I'm the only Indonesian here…ADA INDO GAK????
Already there broviet_congViet Cong
Funny because phúc is one of the more economic driven person on the central committee and the politburo. His last tenure as the PM was all about pulling in more international investment. He was famous for his program of cementing the role of Assistance Governance of which the government only takes the role of guiding the market economy.
Another fun fact is that his policies stemmed from his education in economic management in the National University of Singapore.viet_congViet Cong
thought this article might be interesting for Debbs who wrote about this same topic for new multitude
based thread bump
>>443092>libshit who voice his frustration with being kicked out for giving everyone an A using Marxist buzzwords>the SMC being too autistic about the end course being too easy and experimental which has little to no bearing to the rest of the time studying
Both are overblown and terrible in their own way. Another thing to note is how blunt they were to just not renew his contract. I guess this kind of dismissal is just completely alien to me in my country.
It’s also pretty amazing how the shell of meritocracy is still so well kept in Singapore while in most of the capitalist world it has completely collapsed.
It is pretty good, a very good expose on the micro level of meritocracy. I don't think I was able to be that detailed with how our meritocracy runs which is why I went for the macro-level route and explained the origins and flaws of meritocracy in theory, rather than in practice.>>444304
The author is pretty much a radlib but tbf, a lot of Singapore leftists have to coat their politics under this veil in order to remain revelant. I know for a fact that the editor of that website himself, while does talk in a very radlib manner, has revealed to have had read Lenin and Luxemburg. His first foray into national promience was defending Lim Chin Siong's legacy in front of PAP.
>Another thing to note is how blunt they were to just not renew his contract.
Yea we don't even need to pretend or pussyfoot around here when things gets really political.
With the economic slump, the parliament in shambles and the pandemic worse than ever, it’s such a smart time for the old fucker to just bail like that. Probably so that he won’t get the blame if things get worse in the future. And it’s not only him but his entire cabinet as well. Like rats jumping off a sinking ship.
He inherited a shitty situation anyway. They should just call a snap parliament to gain some legitimacy.
Isn’t the parliament under a gridlock situation right now? I thought this resignation was caused by the fact that nothing got passed and no one got the majority in the coalition?
The parliament has been in gridlock for years, that’s how that guy became the prime minister in the first place.
Does anyone use the matrix?
Very frustrating that a lot of people marry the nation with the state, assuming allegiance to one means allegiance to another. Even the word ‘nation-state’ get glazed over the people.
What song is this from?
First is Indonesia Raya and second is Te slavim Romanie (the latter is Leftypol’s “anthem”)
Is Anwar really that good? He seems like a reformer but I doubt he is some succdem. He really is punished Bernie tier lol.
Jakarta Method for info on indonesia
Try over here where the word to describe national and ethnicity is the same word “dân tộc”. Making any literal translation reads like a proclamation for ethno states. I blame Sun Yatsen for this.>>450604
What’s his policy program like?
Communism is still heavily scrutinized but puji Tuhan I’ve found a small following back in 2019 of which I joined.
What logo may that be?
Barisan Sosialis of Singapore. A defunct party that comprised of the socialists who helped gained independence.
Chinese doesn't have a very sharp distinct between nation and state (although it is not as if the Anglo care that much either beyond academics)
>I blame Sun Yatsen for this.
I don't remember the details, but it is quite ironic that he was multicultural for his time.
>>453831>I don't remember the details, but it is quite ironic that he was multicultural for his time.
Sun Yatsen’s thought was hugely influential for a lot of nationalist movements especially left nationalism due to his welfare oriented Three Principles. His 1 year being active in Sai Gon basically revived a new form of nationalism in Vietnam. Before that most anti-colonial movements were stuck in two major contradictions:
The first is the problem of nationalism being tied with the monarchy of which built itself with the help of the French and eventually were the cause of them taking over Indochina. Most previous movements got nowhere simply because the people hated the monarchy as much if not more than their colonial rulers. Since not only did the Nguyen dynasty destroy any capital development in the country for more than century but also attach itself with the already crumbling Qing empire. This made the republicanism of the Three Principles very appealing to the post-feudal disillusioned intellectual class.
The second problem was that under the rule of the French, they had begun using divide and conquer to crush any united resistance in the egg. The people are not only divided in ethnic, religious lines but also regional restrictions. Sun Yatsen’s non-ethnic nationalism was the cure to unite the disparate forces under a national line.
Yes, Sun Yat Sen is basically the embodiment of the French Revolution for Asia with his prioritization of nation above familial, ethnic, religious lines and even the current state.
It is why I don't think Singapore is functionally a nation since the idea of 'Singapore' are very tied to what the current regime advocated or suppress. It is why I am super into Singlish and its usage, since it is actively suppressed by the state and not something the elites use as part of their everyday lives. It is the bedrock of the national identify of Singapore that is yet to come.
>>456954>Sun Yat Sen is basically the embodiment of the French Revolution for Asia
This is a very good comparison I must say. However despite all the massive benefits that was brought about by Sun Yat-Sen’s thought especially in a creation of a national identity that rose above the petty feudalism of old (my country’s motto is basically taken directly from the 3 principles of the people), we also see what eventually was its problematic side of taking it too rigidly.
First the three principles stemmed from a lot of western nationalism and republican civil rights. Sun himself was particularly influenced by the Lincoln presidency. Because of this even though his version of nationalism is wholly beyond feudalistic divine rights of monarch of Confucianism, it is still enamored with the concept of a state as a bourgeois concentration of capital. Therefore a lot of modifications is needed to correctly apply this to a socialist revolution to avoid falling into the contradiction of national chauvinism.
Second is that after his death, the nationalistic tendencies was then used to justify an early form of imperialism practiced by the right KMT under Chiang and then many other anti-communist, national movements. That’s why his wide influence was later obfuscated by each of those countries own version of national identity. This in fact also led to the loose and fragmentary nature of the liberation of Indochina which of course then brought about plenty of other issues like how Vietnam was still working with the Kampuchea monarch even though at that point he had already showed to be killing and hunting communists in his country and only helped the north because of his ambitions of getting a chunk of land once the south fell. Or how we were so focused on the liberation of our own country that we didn’t even notice our Kampuchea comrades getting slaughtered when /pol/ pot coup’ed their party.>It is why I don't think Singapore is functionally a nation since the idea of 'Singapore' are very tied to what the current regime advocated or suppress.
Funny how similar this is to the national identity issues that face many LatAm countries. I think it is because Singapore nationalism itself is still keeping to the same mold that the British collaborating ruling class was given to them when the bongs left the island. Proletarian culture of Singapore, the only part that is genuine and materialistically creates by the local is still weighed down by the post colonial superstructure.>It is why I am super into Singlish and its usage, since it is actively suppressed by the state and not something the elites use as part of their everyday lives.
Strange that the only part that made the country dialect unique is suppressed in favor of the standard English. Thatcher’s ghost still haunts Singapore I guess ;)
tldr redpill on ho chi minh?
didnt sun yat sen in his latter years go against some of his previous beliefs and started embracing increasing amounts of marxist leninist beliefs.
like the notion of a vanguard party, centralized state, increased beliefs in collectivism, disillusionment with western style democracy/ capitalism and etc
Do you think that Indonesia is on its way to fascism, considering its rampant nationalism, conservatism, and religiosity?
Garuda Pancasila is in a very huge risk of becoming a hate symbol should they continue to act like that
>>457125> I think it is because Singapore nationalism itself is still keeping to the same mold that the British collaborating ruling class was given to them when the bongs left the island.>Strange that the only part that made the country dialect unique is suppressed in favor of the standard English.
Of course, because the elites in charge of Singapore are themselves educated in and by the west. They are Anglophiles of the highest order. I find it bitterly ironic that the conscription that this country so desperately tries to craft a national identify from is originally rejected by the Chinese middle schools, which jump-started the independence movement that led to the very same party in charge. Nothing that the government shows is uniquely Singaporean, because the people in charge are not uniquely Singaporean. Colonials may have left, but colonialism has not.Also lowkey it is why foreigners often lament Singaporeans as cold, distant and bland, because they don't visit or see Singaporeans in their 'native' habitat, rather at more 'atas' or colonial areas like the Botanic Gardens (rather than East and West Coast Park like the people go to do park stuff)
On the same scale of Castro with “doing nothing wrong”. However, he’s similar to Castro in which he’s an ardent patriot that believed in the building of socialism in one’s country rather than spreading it. Basically Stalin or Khrushchev’s school of socialism. Which of course later created problems for socialism in SEA as a whole being fragmented.>>458545>Indonesia is on its way to fascism>Implying it hasn’t been fascist since the new order
Anti-communist paramilitaries still runs around over there. The country is still engaging in colonialism and the military never changed from the Suharto days.>Garuda Pancasila is in a very huge risk of becoming a hate symbol
Wasn’t it a symbol created by the Soekarno administration? I would think that in order from them to slip further into militarism they would use more new order iconography.>>458325
Yeah he kinda did. But like many theorists, people often pick and choose things in specific time periods to justify their own political views. Also during the same time period the KMT continued their social democrat line of establishing a national central bank. This is even more apparent with the first article in the Sun - Joffe manifesto:>Dr. Sun Yat-Sen believes that communist organizations and even the Soviet system cannot in fact be cited in China, because there is no situation in China that can make this communist or Soviet system succeed. Mr. Joffe fully agreed with this view, and believed that the most important and urgent issue for China was the success of the reunification of the Republic of China and the acquisition of complete national independence. Regarding this major cause, Mr. Joffe assured Dr. Sun that China deserves the most sincere sympathy from the Russian people and can rely on Russian aid.https://zh.m.wikisource.org/wiki/孫文越飛聯合宣言
I always thought of this period as Sun trying to be a crypto-communist to draw in help from the recently established USSR because of his desperate war against Yuan, not really for turning the KMT into a vanguard communist party. Plus the Soviet at this time was still going through NEP so they wouldn’t even have the force projection to change Sun’s mind.>>458924>because they don't visit or see Singaporeans in their 'native' habitat, rather at more 'atas' or colonial areas like the Botanic Gardens
It’s like a facsimile version of the west got painted over everything. I think it’s not only came from education in the west but also a sense of attachment with the kind of rule the British once had over the island. They want to emulate that sense of absolute control and power over the populace as the British.
From 2019:https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20190910151009-4-98369/bikin-khawatir-tka-tukang-sapu-sampai-bos-berisiko-masuk-ri>Bikin Khawatir, TKA Tukang Sapu Sampai Bos Berisiko Masuk RI<Immigrant Workers are Worrisome
Expect Indonesia to become the South but in country form. Fuck those cons.
Isn't that Sokerano-lite party still gonna be in power anyway? But yea what Vietanon said, Indonesia has a corporatist economy and hyper conservative society like fascism.
Okay and? I am a leftist coz I know SEA is dead because it turned away from a leftist ideology that was genuinely homegrown and not imported. And is now paying the price with its miserable and exploited existence.
Perhaps SEA could embrace socialism again and regain its status and power as a region again, but I sleep well knowing it suffers now because it refuses to.
>you forgot VIETNAM, LAOS
This too but this is mch older, from 2017:https://www.tribunnews.com/mpr-ri/2017/10/26/zulkifli-hasan-nasionalisme-itu-stop-datangkan-tenaga-kerja-asing
Also this article from 2018 details on how to make Indonesia MORE RIGHT-WING:https://news.detik.com/kolom/d-4094040/membangun-gerakan-kanan-di-indonesia>>461265>vox
GTFO, libcunt. You have no place here. Go Back To POL #Kitagakmauludisini
(cont)>Rakyat di Indonesia harus mulai panik dengan tenaga kerja asing jika mereka mulai melihat TKA menjadi sopir taksi, pelayan restoran, atau pengurus cuci mobil dalam jumlah yang signifikan
This means that the people of Indonesia must act xenophobic 100% like the "pedes" and the Qtards of r/the Donald
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>>464348>The sleepiest of all boards in Leftypol>As 408976 said this used to have posters from Thailand and the Philippines but most of them have left>I'm the only one (I'm from Indonesia) and Vietanon (the Viet Cong flag) visits here sometimes>No discussions nor hot topics unlike the US>>464253
This is actually that scat spammer, who happens to find out this board
“Things could have been different” is the slogan of the SEA Left.>>464355
what he said because most political events are often non-ideological in nature that can be really critiqued or discussed in a way other regions do. Nor is SEA really angling for change on par with South America.
Also there are like at least 2 Singaporeans around. Maybe more but those are probably inactive or lurking.
Like take for example the recent Malaysian cabinet change to a mainstream party. Are there major shift in ideology? No. Are there major shift in policy? Probably not.
No much to say other than sucks to be Centre left parties like PKR and DAP but honestly it is business as usual.
Alt history and doomer General. Have any questions relating to politics of the region? Ask away!
Thank you for your response. I am Greek and completely ignorant on Indonesia. I only know its a damn huge island country and Jakarta might have already big climate related problems. How are things over there? Full neoliberal capitalism? >>464361>“Things could have been different” is the slogan of the SEA Left.
Which means? Things are going pretty okay but could be better? Or something else?>>464500
Well how are things over there. Aside from vietnam war I know nothing about Vietnam. I guess it is something like China but a still underdeveloped?
>>465128>Which means? Things are going pretty okay but could be better? Or something else?
It means things are pretty shit but it could have been different.
>>465128>I am Greek
Based. All Greek communists are honorary Vietnamese to me. Kostas Sarantidis was seriously a real one.>Well how are things over there.
Basically China’s more lenient cousin. The pandemic is hitting us hard in the recent months but otherwise it’s fine.
>>465128>Full neoliberal capitalism?
Yes, with a blend of hostile anticommunist radical Islamists always crying for>muh Chinese infiltration,>muh Communist resurgence
(it can't be), and >muh Chinese replacement
bullshit, like American rightoids instead of illegal immigrants and Big Tech they place the blame on 9 Taipan Naga (9 wealthiest Chinese in the country) and the Chinese in general.
1) Censorship exists and it blocks 4chan and Reddit out of>muh porn
reasons (Indonesia is extremely Islamist and conservative, yet seem to block 4chan. Notice that irony?)
2) Jakarta ranked the worst on urban planning. I could place the blame on fucking Anies Baswecunt. And local corrupt politicians.
3) Other than those, it's just a normal 3rd world country.
Even there's a lolbert once tried to convert radicals (Islamic fundamentalists) see the picrel Based Lolbert
. He said:If you meet people who are exposed to the ideology of the hard-line, be it of the caliphate, darul islam, etc…, please bring it to me, I'll teach them trading until they can and I'll funding them, so far at least 17 people have already managed to get out of a misguided belief and changed into capitalist…
Indeed, leftists here should try to build cooperatives/collectives. Too bad, the stimulus rarely trickling down to us. And if trickling, we only got a few sums of it (it's not even enough since corruptions, collusions, & nepotism so rampant in here).
Aren’t the Islamists fanaticism a result of Arabic influence? I notice some local islamists wearing burqa instead of the more local tundung and was wondering if this is part of the trend.
Probably is. It was further reinforced by that hardline Islamist, Habib Rizieq Shihab. Here it was glorified like how Trump was revered in Burgeristan.
>>465682>>465680>Aren’t the Islamists fanaticism a result of Arabic influence? I notice some local islamists wearing burqa instead of the more local tundung and was wondering if this is part of the trend.<Well they're Islamic fundamentalists. What do you expect? Although you can choose to wear burqas or not. There are also some Islamic moderates (too bad most of them simp for the libs & incumbent president). Only few Islamic socialists in here.
Basically like this >>465682
If only these Islamists aren't succumb to the ruling class like Taliban, the circumstances shall be different. And regarding Taliban, I hope Maoist Khalq resurrected later. >>465663>bullshit, like American rightoids instead of illegal immigrants and Big Tech they place the blame on 9 Taipan Naga (9 wealthiest Chinese in the country) and the Chinese in general.<Sorry, but those Taipan (wealthiest billionaires) indeed contributing resentment, discontent, & unrest among the peasants. Although it's true that the problems aren't the Chinese, but the capitalism itself. Even Viet-anon acknowledging about Dengists threat in SEA region.
>More facts:>1) Censorship exists and it blocks 4chan and Reddit out of>muh porn>reasons (Indonesia is extremely Islamist and conservative, yet seem to block 4chan. Notice that irony?)<See >>465678
>2) Jakarta ranked the worst on urban planning. I could place the blame on fucking Anies Baswecunt. And local corrupt politicians.<Obviously. The entire cabinet & Indon administration government already proven guilty as the culprits of fuckery.
>3) Other than those, it's just a normal 3rd world country.<Pretty sure, it isn't normal.
Imagine being a shittier city than Dubai lmao. Guess decades under a bunch of militaristic retards will finally doomed the city a an Atlantis-like fate. Are there even subways in Jakarta? >>465680
The Saudis are hugely influential in this regard. Recently they’ve begun to try bribing local muslim Cham minority (the local Muslim are traditionally matriarchal) to covert them to their Wahhabism.>>465786>Maoist Khalq>Mautism
>>465655>>465663>Cuck out to American neoliberalism>be fucking shit at things
Lmao, I got no tears to shed for Indonesia. No other countries in SEA is as responsible as their plight as Indonesia.
>>466114>Are there even subways in Jakarta?
We've just built one and opened it back in 2019.
People here only know power and money, so if they assume some kind of governmental position they will instantly embezzle. Shake my head.>>466121
Corruption is so rife here we must appoint a commission designed to tackle them
The problems with Maoism are twofold. One ideologically and the other tactically.
Theoretically, Maoism has always been a right wing deviation of Marxist Leninism, it hands out concessions towards the national bourgeoisie frequently while on the other hand uses the mass line as a way to interpret peasant reactionism (stemming from their feudal roots and slave mentality) into Marxist lingo. Secondly it rejects dialectics as well as relying on the strength of ideology over changing the objective material conditions that create it. Case in point, the cultural revolution failed completely not only because it’s a lazy attempt by Mao (and the fascist clique that hid behind him) to get back into the political limelight but because you can’t impose new culture when you haven’t proletarianize the peasantry. Other than that this ideological shortfall makes it extremely easy for glowies and fascists to infiltrate Maoist orgs as they only need to translate their obviously reactionary policies with some buzzwords. The reason why the Black Panthers and German RAF fell to Idpol and cointerpro.
Tactically, Maoist guerrilla warfare hasn’t worked since the 60s. The US has made it abundantly clear that creating urban strongholds leaving the Maoist fighters’ only source of recruitment being farmers will bled them out eventually. The Nepalese Maoists only won because they took the approach similar to the Cuban Revolution combining people’s war with co-opting the liberal opposition.
And that’s not even getting into the history fails Maoism has over the years like when they sided with fucking UNITA in Uganda, the Mujahideen in Afghan or going along with the Khmer Rouge declaring a race war. Even when they won in Nepal they have failed to do anything of note other than fighting each other like the early PRC.
Yay this thread has gone cyclical, just like other high-level threads!
Btw here's an Indonesia general in Getchan: getchan.net/ref/res/2696.html#2696
So in summary, Maoists already failed in every fields? And they're good for nothing? Just some irrelevant scums larping in wilderness without any progress for decades?
Idk if that count as sectarianism, but there must be some constructive criticism for them. As for me, I think they got their own roles against the Dengism menace same as like you Vietnamese do in our region.
Can we say that Indonesia’s current problems (corruption, inequality, separatism, anticommunism, poor planning, poor investment) ia a lasting legacy of Soeharto?
Most of it, 1998 shouldn't Reform Era but revolution. Too bad the spirits of Hartoids & his simps endured. But we also need to look upon our own errors. Like there are some self admit "leftists" here clearly supporting the PDIP. They're simply simping for Dengists compradors & collaborators.
Just like this >>381204
Well this a good one >>383456
Hey this is interesting
Nuking is never a good thing. The fact that China lies just miles away from Japan may cause a boomeranging scenario.
What about the NPA-CPP? They are still around doing stuff?
>>466345>So in summary, Maoists already failed in every fields?
No that’s no what I said. It’s in my opinion that Maoism has been outdated for decades and is in desperate need for some new blood. Due to their inherent sectarianism, a lot of their critiques of Marxist Leninism and against Stalin are by and large correct. Their strategy of recruiting is also valuable to modern conditions if used as guidelines and not as a religious zeal like most Maoist orgs. Also their concept of capitalist roaders inside a vanguard party is a valid analysis of the reformist tendency.>As for me, I think they got their own roles against the Dengism menace same as like you Vietnamese do in our region.
Using Dengism to criticize Chinese policies aside, I think it’s only another nomenclature for the many manifestation of social democratic reforms. Vietnam used to be against market reforms as well but we buckled under the international pressure and the fall of the USSR to become just as lenient on the capitalist elements. Our current situation demands that we need to fight against this trend throughout the region.>>466495
They got a split over how to deal with Duterte a few years ago with the military opportunists winning and the sucdems being duped by Duterte. Despite constant small victories, their numbers are dwindling due to not being able to establish a support base in urban areas.
How’s the Malaysian parliament now? It looks like a shitshow from outside.
It has been a shitshow for years. No party have an strong mandate to do what they want to do. It is hilarious and exposes the limitations and flaws of bourgeois democracy
Red pill me on this site, since I don’t understand bahasa and google is garbage at translating.
First two debunks is about the 5G conspiracy theory (1st one debunks the claim that the Delta variant stems from 5G while 2nd one debunks the claim that animals are dying from 5G)
Third one debunks the claim that Jokowi had made falsehoods regarding Afghanistan.
>RP me on this site
It's the Ministry of Information and Communications's (Kemkominfo's) official site.
Oh so it’s like an anti fake news site that the government created? We got one too that’s just been set up a few years ago. However it’s more about debunking anti-communism and westernized liberal propaganda.
Yale-NUS might be quite cringe, but I do hope its closure will spark a dissidence wave like Nantah before it.
>>468655>Oh so it’s like an anti fake news site that the government created
Yes. It's more like an anti-fake-news section. Kominfo.Go.ID itself is the main site of the Ministry, and these deboonks are part of it, what I might call as a "subunit".
Stop bumping thread with no content posts. I would rather have a slow thread with infrequent quality discussion than the last five threads of 1/4th bump posting.>>468908
How close was the connection between the college with the Ivy League program? This seems more politically motivated as they basically given no reason behind the merger.
Colleges here are extremely limited in connection with US institutions since the obvious color revolution concerns. They are only allowed to have private universities with no relations with public schools.
holy shit this is awful hahahahaha, it might be the worst song ive ever heard. i need more
it sounds like "bhutanese passpooorrrt"
What's the material explanation of Chinese supremacy/privilege in Singapore?
But this time, the falseflag & divide conquer tactics in order to rout the riots seem backfired.
As a conclusion, Indon glowies… well just like your typical glowies. Agents disguise themselves according to tasks given by the states & corporations.Maybe with some occultism or voodoo curse as additional skill? Who knows…
Lmao Indon glowies are meme material. Both for the ridiculous fact that government informants using street vendors as a cover and the horrific 1984 tier implications.
>>469952>Lmao Indon glowies are meme material. Both for the ridiculous fact that government informants using street vendors as a cover and the horrific 1984 tier implications.<It's called "clever". They blend & adapt with civilians just like Vietcong guerillas did back in the past. In fact, Nguyen copied their guerrilla tactics from a book made by Nasution (late Indon general) known as Pokok-Pokok Gerilya (Essences of Guerilla).
Now they monitoring guerillas & protesters, both offline & online.
Lenin had a cult of personality, Stalin had one as well. China's just doing ML Party AS INTENDED by Lenin.
Lenin had no cult of personality unless being considered a founder of the Soviet Union constitutes one. Stalin vehemently opposed to people worshipping him. Chinese politicians however actively fostered this toxic liberal bullshit when they’re still alive no less.>>469962>In fact, Nguyen copied their guerrilla tactics from a book made by Nasution (late Indon general) known as Pokok-Pokok Gerilya (Essences of Guerilla).<The Vietminh who was led by a history teacher/T.E. Lawrence fan who beat the French two times in a row since 1930 learning from some guy that loss to the Dutch in 1945
Yeah, I’m gonna need some heavy citations on this. Also a government having eyes and ears everywhere is not comparable and actually the opposite of urban guerrilla infiltration.
Funny how even for the supposedly bipartisan, debunking of fake news site, they also added some fake news of their own through overemphasizing the China = Communism connection. Guerrilla warfare in Vietnam had a history of multiple inspirations. It’s an amalgamation of traditional feudalist hit and run/scorched earth strategies of the feudal dynasties against China, British insurgency tactics in the Middle East of Lawrence of Arabia, and Japanese tropical defensive fighting experience. The pamphlet in question guerrilla warfare by HCM was actually really generalized and doesn’t have much in actual guidance. The Vietminh dropped Maoism and zealot people’s war completely once China stopped giving us guns, it’s basically a way to suck up to Mao.
Redpill me on Tirto.id.
>Your opinions on the site?
>Is it pro-liberal?
<Tirto is a pro-US, pro-lib site that caters to younger lads (including zoomers).
>>471414>There also Arahjuang.com, Islambergerak.com, Revolusioner.org, etc.
Whoa! Are these all local leftist sites?
I've checked them out before and it has these left-wing rhetoric.
Because the Chinese diaspora came to find work in SEA and usually became proletariat bourgeois or petit-bourgeois, especially in a highly urban and developed city like Singapore. You can see this trend in all of SEA. By contrast the natives are more likely to be rural farmers or aristocrats who owned land. Then and now Sinophobia is the socialism of fools in SEA due to the ultra rich bourgeois Chinese.
Now as Singapore had to form a republic, naturally the bourgeoisie would shape the republic in their image. And it is just so happened to be Chinese.
Honestly the Chinese supremacy/privilege is technically correct but woefully inadequate in describing the Chinese diaspora in Singapore. It is the anglophilic Chinese that do have this supremacy/privilege. The elite-school going,Christian, has and will only use their English name, digest Westernized politics, media and shit, weebs
, don't even speak Singlish but Queen or worse American English drinking lattes in hipster as fuck cafes. They are at least middle class, and do control many levers of government,
By contrast the Chinese/dialects/Singlish-speaking, neighborhood (or actual Chinese) school going, only has Chinese name, Buddhist/Taoist, kpop or sino stans
, watch shit from China, drinking kopi in coffeeshop houses are more likely to be poorer and hence do not helm industries and especially government.>>469940
Shut the fuck up.
>>474097>Woah the Afghan US puppet is dogshit at doing everything <Such prophecy! Such intelligence!
I seriously hate anyone who worship this guy especially the millennial liberals that basically took in his biography like some kind of gospel. This is literally something everyone with more than 2 braincells can see.>>473885
It’s kind of simplistic and great man of history analysis but it’s still correct. LKY in the end does belong to the bourgeois anglophile Chinese diaspora. But another question is that even the disproportionate focus on Chinese diaspora who are not of the working class around Singapore back even during the independence seems to be fostered by the British.
Because this city's politics and history is far more naunced than one man. In fact Harry Lee himself is part of the former Chinese group I am talking about who was groomed and worked with the UK throughout the independence movement. In fact, his attempt to charm and recuit those of the latter group, with shit like participating in the Fajar case, shedding his Anglo name led him to recruit people like Lim Chin Siong (whom he would later labelled as a chinese chauvinist due to his very typical chinese background) who assembled and recruit the trade unions to his cause.
'Chinese supremacy/privilege' is a far more nuanced and dynamic occurrence not only in Singapore but also in SEA, and it is frustrating to see my nation's complexity be reduced to one LARPer who loves to toot his own horn.
>>470027>Stalin vehemently opposed to people worshipping him.
There's only one quote on that, quoted to death by stalinists-who-say-that-hundreds-thousands-of-dead-are-fine/beriaphiles. In reality, however, we've seen that Stalin did not oppose it actively, in action. Even if he indeed said such a thing about his cult of personality, he wasn't doing anything about it. Oh sure, "don't be loyal to me, be loyal to our country!" Such a strong dismissal of cult of personality, much wow!
>Lenin had no cult of personality
You have no clue what you are talking about. There's plenty of statues all over the fUSSR, half the streets and squares are Lenin's in some way, lightbulbs are called "Ilyich's lightbulb" (and libs because of that claim that communists believe that Lenin invented the lightbulb, holy shit they are retards). Heck, Trotsky was fighting Lenin over that, because the perceived opposition to the cult of personality is a democratic rule by the party Khruschev-style, and that's a clear avenue of attack.
Fact of the day:
Southeast Asia survived the Late Bronze Age collapse event literally unaffected, context: Shang Dynasty.
How do you think this impacts or makes it different to the other civilizations that were not born in the Bronze age aside from some interesting things below?
*Some interesting stuff to note is how many countries might have written language in a similar way to SE Asian script. See Mycenaean Linear B script.
*The use of Bronze continued and the transition to iron was far more peaceful.
*The use of scale armor remained largely popular.
Siam had a Bronze Age palace economy also up to the time when western colonists arrived in the 1800s.
>>475118>There is one quote<Ah yes let’s ignore all the shit that even anti-communist historians had to admit about Stalin’s opinions
In the 1930s Stalin made several speeches that diminished the importance of individual leaders and disparaged the cult forming around him, painting such a cult as un-Bolshevik; instead, he emphasized the importance of broader social forces. Stalin's public actions seemed to support his professed disdain of the cult: Stalin often edited reports of Kremlin receptions, cutting applause and praise aimed at him and adding applause for other Soviet leaders. Walter Duranty stated that Stalin edited a phrase in a draft of an interview by him of the dictator from "inheritor of the mantle of Lenin" to "faithful servant of Lenin".
A banner in 1934 was to feature Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, but Stalin had his name removed from it, yet by 1938 he was more than comfortable with the banner featuring his name. Still, in 1936, Stalin banned renaming places after him. In some memoirs Molotov claimed that Stalin had resisted the cult of personality, but soon came to be comfortable with it. Considering that Stalin was getting old even when WW2 came around, it was necessary for the use of it to rally the people around a public figure. Which is not surprising since even literal alcoholic racist monsters like Churchill has a cult of personality that is actively supported by the state in the UK to whitewash his history, excessive even compared to Stalin.
You do understand that the fact that Stalin’s disgust for his own cult was widely admitted by multiple sources with the only source against it being Khrushchev who was motivated politically to attack Stalin no matter the truth?
>Having streets and statues long after your death is considered making a cult of personality
Oh no! I guess literally every famous political figure over here including a famous doctor that started an anti-smoking campaign has to have a cult of personality all in their own for people to name streets after them! It’s not like street naming is directly controlled by the state to specifically choose it for the population. Fuck off mate, more than 90% of places named after him was either to morn his death in 1924 or decades later.
I don’t know the psychopathic country where you live but in most of the world it’s normal to build statues of famous people even in America with fucking disgrace traitor southern generals. But it’s not normal in the case of China where the people they worship and slobber around is actually still alive and promoting it using state power.
America is everything they criticize.
Capitalist countries building monuments of exploiters? YEAH
Socialist countries building monuments of national heroes and leaders? WAIT UH NO NO NO WE GOTTA STOP THEM HURR DURR
>>475275>even anti-communist historians had to admit about Stalin’s opinions
This should be a red flag for you. Anti-communists admit that Stalin hated his cult of personality? Huuuuuh.
>A banner in 1934 was to feature Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, but Stalin had his name removed from it, yet by 1938 he was more than comfortable with the banner featuring his name. Still, in 1936, Stalin banned renaming places after him.
Donetsk was called Stalin in 1924-29, Stalino from 1929-1961 (in honor of Civil War, when IIRC Stalin was commanding trains to move people and troops in and out of the city while fighting intervening germans)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd
Stalingrad since 1925 (in honor of Stalin being in charge of Tsaritsyn's defences against Whites in Civil War multiple times)https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B1%D0%B5
Stalinabad since 1929 to 1961 (who the hell knows why)
As you can see, you are fucking wrong.
>In some memoirs Molotov claimed that Stalin had resisted the cult of personality, but soon came to be comfortable with it.
Don't be a fucking retard, khruschevites were literally rewriting history to suit their needs - including altering memoirs. Even then EVERYONE RED who participated in Civil War got cities named after them, except for Trotsky, Tukhachevsky and people like that. There was Molotov city, even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perm,_Russia
This whole bullshit with "Stalin against his cult" should look incredibly fishy from the get go to anyone who saw Revolutionary names of Soviet-Russian cities, because it just contradicts "historians" claims.
Jesus christ, Stalin was ordering to dig a channel bearing his name! Don't be a goddamn retard, falling for stupidest propaganda.
>You do understand that the fact that Stalin’s disgust for his own cult was widely admitted by multiple sources
Lolno, those "multiple sources" are extremely narrow and rare. Khruschevites were sowing fbi.govs between stalinists at the time, and there's plenty of claims that Stalin was attacking Voroshilov and his other closest people. Why WOULDN"T khruschevites claim that Stalin was against his own cult?
>Fuck off mate, more than 90% of places named after him was either to morn his death in 1924 or decades later.
Lolwut. You have not even a clue who Lenin was for USSR! Morn his death? Seriously? Look at North Koreans crying over their dead Leader. Are you going to say that before his death there was no veneration, no statues of him, no his books, no nothing? That crying was the thing that started "worship"? Get your brain straight
>>475356>If anti-communists believe in it, it must be wrong
This is most ass backward troll logic I’ve ever seen. Both sides of the argument support the fact of Stalin having disdain of his own worship. Something that the only people who fought against it having personal political goals against him. >listing three place that was named after him before the official ban in 1934
Can you read or do you not know how governmental bureaucracy works? One you go through the absolute nightmare of changing a city’s name, changing it back will take the same amount of horrible effort, especially in the context of Stalin was still handling the effects of preparing for the coming war and reforming the military after the reorganization of the purge. I’m surprised he even have the time to issue the ban in the first place. Or do you expect him to personally go to every single city named after him to tell them to change it back with a memorandum?
Based on the sloppy links you’ve given me most of the results are just you searching about things that named after Stalin and then copying the Russian language wiki to make them feel more legit. Do you expect more to make an honest rebuttal to such sad effort clearly in bad faith. Reminder that I’m not even a Stalinist here. I’m just making an obvious comparison that somehow angered you for some reason.>Don't be a fucking retard, khruschevites were literally rewriting history to suit their needs - including altering memoirs. <Khrushchev personally changed history to suit his need 1984 style
Hey I’m only using Occam’s razor here. So in your mind you think that literally everyone
wants to portray Stalin to be against his cult of personality. From political opportunists Khrushchev (who needs to bad mouth Stalin to get ahead), out of favor old supporters like Molotov and even western cold warrior historians (who have little to no reason to give Stalin a good nuance light). But then for what reason? Why do they want to say that?
There’s literally no motivation behind the grand conspiracy you’re insinuating. Shouldn’t Khrushchev talk more about Stalin’s god complex more like his secret speech? Why rewrite Molotov’s memoir when the guy is still alive? Why does Molotov needs to rewrite anything related to Stalin when he got sidelined by the old Stalin a few years before his death? Shouldn’t western historians do the same to make him more of a maniacal villain?
Or maybe, just maybe because most of his actions had nothing even remotely close to a support of his worship and all parties involved with even his political enemies can see that. You don’t need to be a genius to draw this simple conclusion. And come on now, I’m an honest to Marx Khrushchevite here and even I know the lovable retard wasn’t that competent or powerful. If he was, he wouldn’t get himself dumbstruck when he realized Brezhnev had coup’ed him on a morning to work.>Even then EVERYONE RED who participated in Civil War got cities named after them, except for Trotsky, Tukhachevsky and people like that. >This whole bullshit with "Stalin against his cult" should look incredibly fishy from the get go to anyone who saw Revolutionary names of Soviet-Russian cities, because it just contradicts "historians" claims.
Make up your mind mate. Throughout your posts you have contradicted yourself multiple times now. If everyone in the civil war had their names put on locations, then would that make everyone with a cult on their own. Which then brings back to my argument about Lenin streets. They were used because simply names of monarch would be incredibly idiotic in the context of that time. If that’s the case why bring up the cities with Stalin as the name?>Jesus christ, Stalin was ordering to dig a channel bearing his name! Don't be a goddamn retard, falling for stupidest propaganda.
Ah yes the propaganda of western historians to make Stalin look good how could I forget! And here I thought that anti-communists often want to portray communist leaders as egomaniacal men who wanted to put themselves in everything like Big Brother. I guess I was wrong, most anti-communist historians actually love Stalin so much they build him up as a selfless professional politician with their anti-communist propaganda!
And on the channel. You mean the Baltic Sea canal that most just call it that? Funny how it got its name changed more than half a decade after Khrushchev was in power. The efficiency or lack there of of Soviet bureaucracy makes the argument you made up top meaningless yet again. Funny you didn’t even post the links for this one since it just makes you look like a fool.>Lolno, those "multiple sources" are extremely narrow and rare. Khruschevites were sowing fbi.govs between stalinists at the time, and there's plenty of claims that Stalin was attacking Voroshilov and his other closest people. Why WOULDN"T khruschevites claim that Stalin was against his own cult?
When those sources are from the west and east alike my man. You haven’t even addressed the most important one that is the dozens of speeches Stalin made in the 30s and 40s going against leader worship as it was unsocialist. Ah yes, you continue your rebuttal with another impossible to falsify conspiracy theory about the supposed intelligent cornholio using tactics to divide Stalinists while making himself look bad. Such 69d chess moves! You do understand that most people on Stalin’s side supported his policies instead of him right?>You have not even a clue who Lenin was for USSR! Morn his death? Seriously? Look at North Koreans crying over their dead Leader. Are you going to say that before his death there was no veneration, no statues of him, no his books, no nothing? That crying was the thing that started "worship"? Get your brain straight
Why are you talking about North Korea? We’re talking about Lenin in the specific context of the USSR here. Where as you’ve said above named everything after Russian civil war figures from generals to bureaucrats. Having statues and streets for Lenin (the man that basically helmed the formation of the USSR the first socialist state in existence in the world) isn’t the same as that but a cult? Really now!
Also get my brain straight? Buddy, I’m not the guy with a western pro Stalinist conspiracy in his brain while constantly contradicting myself in every paragraph. I think if you continue this obviously schizophrenic behavior I should just let you post more to make yourself more of a clown. At least it’ll offer more content than mindless bump posts.
Habib Rizieq still hot even after 10 months.
Even demonstrations broke out in support of him: https://www.cnnindonesia.com/nasional/20210902162529-20-688941/demo-di-makassar-massa-minta-rizieq-shihab-dibebaskan
Do you feel like Habib Rizieq Shihab is Indonesia's Donald Trump?
More like Indonesian Dennis Prager.>highly religious to even his peers >funded by oil barons >never got into big political stage despite a lot of support
>>475629>An attempted coup occurred on 30 September 1965, which was later officially blamed on the PKI (see Transition to the New Order). On 2 October, Aidit went to Yogyakarta to meet the regional PKI chairman Sutrisno. After a few hours, Aidit moved to Semarang also to consolidate to the party officials in the region. The meeting concluded that the coup was the Army's internal problem and PKI knew nothing about it. In the afternoon of that day, Aidit went to Boyolali to meet Boyolali regent Suwali who was a PKI member. Aidit then went to Solo to meet the mayor Utomo Ramelan who was also a member. The meeting contradicted the conclusion of the meeting in Semarang. Several Politbiro members including Aidit and M.H. Lukman met in Blitar on 5 October. There Aidit wrote a letter of the PKI view of the coup which was read by Njoto during a cabinet meeting in Bogor.<dude if it has nothing to do with us, it’s surely not a culmination of a plan made year long to destroy the PKI. Just write a letter lol.
His death was tragic but this is Bernie and Corbyn level of naivety. How the fuck did his party become the biggest party in the country while having no paramilitary force? Suharto tied the noose, Aidid put it around his own neck.
I guess he really thought that Sukarno really had things under control. Also arming the PKI would make it wayyyy easier for the military and the Americans to blame PKI anyway.
The conflict was inevitable. How do you expect a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists and imperial trained military personnel go along peacefully with the 3rd largest communist party in the world? That’s like the Bolshevik trusting Kerensky to keep the Whites under control, complete fantasy. If you’re a communist in a country that hasn’t had a communist revolution, your first expectation is that they’ll be coming for your head in time, not winning the poll.
Maybe if Sukarno receive aid from the USSR to keep the economy and his army in control the PKI might have a chance to gain more popularity and arm themselves.
Sukarno should've purged Suharto from the military as well as "disgruntled" (actually spy) military officers instead.
What the hell is going on in Myanmar?>>481054
Very difficult because he was part of the non-aligned movement. Everything could’ve been better if he hadn’t compromised his support for the PKI with trying to balance everything else. However it’s also the fault within the PKI’s naivety of the time to even place all of their trusts on one man that was never a communist in the first place.
>>481528>What the hell is going on in Myanmar?
Just CIA things~
You will face the wall, zionist filth
DEATH TO YOUR GOVERNMENT
Ask Washington to pay us back for what you've done to us in 1965, cuntpitalist shill.
>>481528>shadow government to oppose junta
Btw do you side with the junta or the people?
Again, ask Washington to pay us what you've done back in 1965. Not to forget Timor!
You mean the retard that had his entire family killed by glow? Soekarno sure learned from him!
>failed to crush cuban revolutionaries despite backing from gusanos and the (((CIA)))
JFK is a joke even worse than Nixon
>Has very remarkable urban planning
>Rethinking The Future
>Worst urban planning ever
>Also Rethinking the Future
Would Indonesia be radically different had it not become independent yet. instead choosing to be a dependency of the Netherlands?
>>482342>Would Indonesia be radically different had it not become independent yet.
Compared to other Dutch colonies it was a better alternative. Most got even more fucked up by the British when they got exchanged.>instead choosing to be a dependency of the Netherlands?
No country is better off being dependent on their ex-colonial masters. Look at the eternal economic burden and threats of political intervention in Francophone Africa for example. Or what happened to most British colonies when they got “released”.
However I would even argue that Indonesia never fully decolonized. The Dutch military won on every front until they got stretched too thin and had to give up on their own. This is not something like the Indochinese war where the Vietminh, Pathet Laos and Khmer Issarak were beating the French legionnaires while controlling most of the region. Later the Dutch-trained local military clique later made into the backbone of the new order, which later was the ones that made Jakarta into the ramshackle trash heap of today.
Yea look at Philippines right now. Still clinging onto to its colonial master. What a joke it is now.
44 confirmed dead including 2 foreigners at an overcapacitated area of the prison
It is due to overcapacity and Polri is to blame because they have made those prisons like crap
Probably because the prison had shit fire prevention system that made the fire spread out of control. Plus the architecture of a place like that is not friendly for air circulation so smoke might form inescapable death clouds inside that suffocated the inmates.
Will this change anything or will it stay the same?
It depends, if they want to improve, then it would become much better, otherwise expect more incidents like these in the coming years
>>489268>2 years old
damn this lil dude aged like shit!
It's 2 years since his death
>>489268>The great reformer
Too bad he didn’t reform enough to get out of neoliberalism though. Nonetheless he’s not the reason for the reforms but the people that protested were.
Cases in Singapore hitting 1k liao. Guess it is back to shift work soon.
Australia is not part of SEA. Go to their general for that.
France still have empire delusions. Unlike the UK or AUS who have been cucked since the 60s. Of course they’ll go with the side that currently offers more autonomy to expand.
>>497909>EU sides with China>I smell neo warsaw pact
Socialist Europe under joint Russian-Chinese guidance when?
imagine australia's reaction
ah just let scomo cope hard we'll be fine
Probably never. Russia as it is now is a neoliberal oligarchy while China’s social democracy is almost the same as France and Germany. Literally nothing would change if they became allies.
Well, except for the fact that the Americans are going to seethe so hard over it.
What is /SEA/'s position on the South China Sea issue? Whose position do you guys support?
Not China’s. those small islands don’t even have that much strategic value to anyone anyway. I generally think Vietnam has the best position.
Supporting whatever America’s against is not a coherent position. It’s pure contrarianism. It’s also what that created my hatred against the far right in the first place.>>501537
China needs to stop sucking off Chiang Kai Shek’s legacy with those gay ROC irredentist claims. Then again, it’s probably impossible now because of the oil in the region.
Is Manny Pacquiao going to be the President soon?
Really? This is the best Pinoy centre-left wing you can afford? A socdem boxer? Why martial arts practicioners end up side with neolibs every fuckin' time? Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen, Mohammad Ali, Khabib Nurmageddov, Chuck Norris, Sylvester Stallone, Jean Vandamme, nearly every one of them.
>>507500Steven Seagal, Tony Jaa, Michelle Yeoh, etc
Almost every martial arts athletes shilling for harmony in liberalism. Defeat bandits similar to Joker & Vulture friends etc & the world is safe more like sage
>>507495>Indon pol or glowies
Are you fucking retarded? Or are you even Indon? I have never accessed NSFW 4chan yet, nor I am employed in BIN or any other intelligence wtf.
You're probably the same communism will rise again fag? You forgot you posted >>461244>Celebrating or commemorating the massacre of gommies like poltards
No, the fact that PKI proclaimed the Soviet Republic of Indonesia that day makes it significant. Should they be successful then we can live better lives!>>506333
Hey! Take that back! Jackie Chan is a Dengoid.>>506333
Sounds difficult. Especially now when Duterte is building a literal political dynasty on the backs of his retarded fans. Do they have some word to call his cult of personality like Americans shitting on Strumps?
>>506333>Celebrity politics coming to Philippines
Lmao the saying is true. When America sneezes, Philippines gets a flu.
What the hell is Laos? is still "socialist" as vietnam or what? are they in friendly terms with china?
Laos is communist ever since 1975 and has never changed from being one. Otherwise just a quiet SEA country.
Laos is like the girl in a middle of a love triangle. Both of its communist neighbors wants to be its allies due to the strategic position it has with the Mekong river. China is currently inline with them through building hydroelectric dams while Vietnam has to constantly try to pivot them into industrializing with other means to not cause downstream environmental destruction (especially in the southern delta where with the lowering of the water caused the region to be slowly eaten up by advancing sea levels).
There’s was one period where Laos Vietnamese relationship was especially close is when the government helped them with fighting the Chinese and US co-funded Hmong contra separatists in the early 90s though. Or the period right after war against the KR and China where we helped them with kicking the asses of Thai irredentist military expansion. They in turn supported us in stopping the wave of gusano terrorists streaming through the land border of course funded with US black budget and Chinese military equipment. The 80s and 90s shadow conflict was an interesting time to be sure. Laos also had to purge a load of liberals trying to go the way of Gorbachev in the 90s as well when the new constitution was made.
>>507556>No, the fact that PKI proclaimed the Soviet Republic of Indonesia that day makes it significant. Should they be successful then we can live better lives!
I think about this alot anon…
Hate the fact that Indo is a reactionary af country now.
There used to be an Indonesian board back on 8gag years ago.
Mostly anglophile middle class Indonesians
>>513977>Hate the fact that Indo is a reactionary af country now.
Ah, there is basically no hope for even socialism here, until most boomers are all but gone. Also the fact that Indonesia is heading towards a more conservatism means that it's the final nail in the coffin for us and Indonesia is forever a pro-cuntpitalist state shilling and becoming pro-US until it collapses (and only by such can Indonesia be a socialist state).
>>514701>Well too bad it's only a dream & there won't be any Indonesia anymore later. Good riddance.
You mean socialist Indonesia? Currently it's impossible but as soon as the US collapses it would be possible but by a 50% chance. The other 50% is when those fascists take power and ally them with the Western-backed Sunnis.
>>507581>Do they have some word to call his cult of personality
DDS (diehard duterte supporters) or Dutertards.
Is Duterte a populist?
Is populism is a real ideology because it just involves doing saying bullshit to the public to gain their support while stumbling to do the shit you promised for real? Duterte is flip-flopping dumpster when it comes to carrying out anything he promised. A vestige of the Marcos era resurfaced.
>Nothing will happen, anon. You're too long lurking & projecting. Go outside & accept your fate. There won't be any revolution nor war or shit. You're all clown & retards happooners shilling for abstract talking. Full of nothing more than hogwash.
Fuck off retarded dipshit, you're none other than a radlib uyghard, faggot.
Reminder that communism will rise again, and death to America for making young lads degenerate. WOTWU!!!
>>518059>Is populism is a real ideology because it just involves doing saying bullshit to the public to gain their support while stumbling to do the shit you promised for real?
Pretty much like that, you just become a public speaking expert if you want to be one.>Duterte is flip-flopping dumpster when it comes to carrying out anything he promised. A vestige of the Marcos era resurfaced.
Oh so like he doesn't keep his promises all the time?
then why the fuck are you here u doomer cunt. >>517687>Western-backed Sunnis
Highly related: https://kanaanonline.org/en/2015/01/20/britain-the-rise-of-wahhabism-and-the-house-of-saud/
ironically, this wahabi cancer was first cultivated by the bongs to destabilize the ottoman empire.<tfw house of saud still exporting their chaos<tfw still backed by another angloid power
IDC who does it but someone needs to genocide the anglosphere.>Ah, there is basically no hope for even socialism here
Maybe someone could start a marhaenist party but in actuality it's an ML party in all but name. this way if boomers and reactionaries call it communist, you can call them anti-soekarno traitors lol.
Populism is basically a pseudo-socialist movement but instead of actually overthrowing the bourgies and establishing a workers state you simp for your guy who will inevitably become part of the establishment
Populism is what happens when you have a mass movement without ideological coherency.
>>518248>then why the fuck are you here u doomer cunt.
He's the SEA troll that has ever posted here several weeks prior and get banned. Cf: >>461244>Maybe someone could start a marhaenist party but in actuality it's an ML party in all but name. this way if boomers and reactionaries call it communist, you can call them anti-soekarno traitors lol.
What a great idea! Never thought of that before…
That actually makes a lot of sense.
Populism has sort of become a catch all phrase. A ideologically coherent socialist movement that abolishes the present way of things would also be called populist by established power. So I would not be so quick to deride that label even if your definition is proper.
Although not sooner but it's inevitable as America declines and copes every passing day.
Is C the proletarian programming language?
Basically it’s now a bad word to demotes people outside of the established order. It has lost all meaning. It’s translation over here literally means “ideology of pleasing the people”. Normally used for people who just fake doing shit for clout while still corrupt as shit.
I don't know , i kinda wished there was a programing language that let you look at code on different levels of abstraction, like zoom stages on a microscope. It could have 3 zoom stages, like assembly instructions on the highest magnification, half zoomed out could be higher level code like c and fully zoomed out could be some scrypt language like bash. it would also be cool to have a live binary viewer, but that would be too hard unless there's special hardware support for it.>>518447>Basically it’s now a bad word to demotes people outside of the established order. It has lost all meaning. It’s translation over here literally means “ideology of pleasing the people”.
It's kinda strange that “ideology of pleasing the people” now means something bad.
>>518500>It's kinda strange that “ideology of pleasing the people” now means something bad.
Yeah, but true. It's due to the fact that most populists nowadays are just experts in public speaking and if they pass legislation they promise they wouldnit would be only 4-5 times in their entire tenure.
There is an indonesian board named /Fscchan/ over at endchan.net, although fair warning that place is a reactionary shithole full of self-hating anglophilic pribumis seething endlessly at cokins (chinese indonesians), christians and malays. There's also a small percentage of unironic /pol/-type anglophilic cokin supremacist autism score posting there and an even smaller percentage of leftist.
It's basically /pol/ but for indonesians, I recommend you never touch that place.
>>518500>It's kinda strange that “ideology of pleasing the people” now means something bad.
At the start it didn’t. But as time goes on the more populist politicians got ousted for how utterly corrupt they are people just got disillusioned. The common sayings of “I’ll do everything for the people!” or “Everything to please everyone!” have become hollow and fake.
The most trusted people in our country now are the Soviet educated theorists of which Trong is the last of. That’s why the party keep voting on him during the current period of reigniting ideological education.
The way it's used in the West, it seems to me like populism=democracy so it's a politically correct way for porky and co. to be reactionary
I've checked it out but can't seem to access, can you give me the link to it?
Don't browse /feses/ too much or you'll get brainrot
I always wonder what people in countries like Vietnam or Cuba think about multiparty "democracies" and elections.
Have you felt that your fellow countrymen are ok with a single party system that lets you decide on the people that goes to the legislative? or do you think that they would rather prefer voting between 2 or more parties that are really the same thing with different names like in the US?
Any insight on Indonesia's invasion of East Timor back in 1975?
They’re fine with it as the party is made up of multiple branch of ideology. There’s the leftnats, the orthodox MLs, the revisionist socdems, and the neoliberals dresses in red paint. You can vote for all of them or even radlibs outside of the party to be represented in Congress to vote on the passing of laws and regulations. Multiple party is just redundant. Case in point that after Doi Moi there was a unilateral vote on merging all the minor parties in Congress with the CPV and everyone supported it.>>519440
Has the term got a bad reputation in the west ever since Huey Long?
Most parties in SEA operate on pouplistic tendencies anyway. They don't have a coherent ideology, just trying to chase the people's opinion as much as possible.
But why is it that shocking? He never seem as much of a madman as portrayed in the media.
Like a native told me he used to be a cab driver in his city to learn more about the people, so he seemed to be touching grass more than other politicians.
>>527807>He never seem as much of a madman as portrayed in the media.
How so? His rule looks fucking horrific.>>527810
Talking to people doesnt negate being a brutal madman, wtf? Many people have been disappeared from him and hes given police free reign to take full control of the drugs industry.
idk man looks like another day in Philippines.
>>527810>talking to the people
Yeah for photo ops. Like no one has seen that before. His base are retard tier.>>526408
Dude knows he’s getting old and setting shit up for his daughter.
>Be Filipino election
<The three candidates are: a meme boxer guy, Marcos Jr and Duterte Jr
The country is so fucked it’s unbelievable.
To be fair Pacqiao's boxing itself was no meme, he's arguably the GOAT for non-heavyweights
Pacqiao’s career is great no doubt but he’s a complete lightweight when it comes to politics. Since he’s apart of the liberal opposition to the Trump tier duterte and his even more extreme allies in the Marcos fascist base.
At best if he wins he’ll just continue the current economic status quo. At worse he’ll become a puppet for the yellow liberals to pull the strings from behind the scenes.
Which country are we talking about here? I still can’t even fathom that taking a drug like that can cure anything.
We just had a woman get hospitalised for taking the miracle drug in Singapore. The line from their private Christian chat group was that Christ would personally inform them if, in fact, he was fine with mRNA vaccines.
I'm not sure why they didn't go a little further and say something like, "Yeah, I prayed, had a chat with God. He says the apple-flavoured paste is best."
It is always the fucking Christians importing the dumbest trends from the West. And they have the gall to whine that the liberals are doing it.
Man those burger evangelicals doing mission work in SEA 20 - 30 years ago really be showing their fruits.
It's not a coincidence these evangelical mall church people tend to be hypercapitalist and super pro-west.
I grew up as one.
I think I read somewhere that the states that are rebelling against the junta in Myanmar have a huge population of Baptists. Critical support for Tatmadaw against evangelo-fascists?
Honestly not sure about the sitch in Myanmar. Even if the junta gets toppled who'll replace them? NED cadre spooks? are there even actual communists/socialist who'll step in? Shit looks like a mess like the rest of SEA except maybe Singapore or Vietnam.
i support the junta simply because there really isnt any good alternative
That's exactly the issue, but there's no denying the junta is not only murderous fascists, reactionary and corrupt.
There's also the fact that Myanmar politics lean very heavily on fascism regardless of which faction you choose (cf. rohingya crisis).
Myanmar is pretty close to Soeharto era Indonesia.
Evangelicals in SEA glows so hard. Here they pioneered the most secessionist movements at the same time peddling the most insane shit. Especially the ones that comes from Korea. From race pseudoscience to miracle cures to anti-coom bullshit. They only ones that still worse than them are the falun gong cultists.
Even more fucked up is that their main base of victims to convert are often the left behind half Korean children that resulted from ROK rapists during the Vietnam war. Sometimes it’s even the rapists returning to convert directly.
If I couod go back in a time machine I would save Aung San from getting assasinated, I'm sure it wouldn't have fixed everything but the country would definitely be in a better place
Woah, what’s up with the huge spike in covid in Singapore?>>537695
Aung San was retarded when he trusted the British. He dug his own grave just like the PKI did after him.
That's Kachin state
Woah, didn't know that about Vietnam.
In Indonesia, evangelicals are "middle class" or petit bourg that believe in prosperity gospel. If anything they're a sizeable minority group that's very pro west.
Literally wackos and televangelist from the anglosphere like Benny Hinn has been touring this area regularly since the 90s
>>537834>Aung San was retarded when he trusted the British
Literally what would you have done during WWII?
The Kachin Baptist Convention is definitely a huge centre of power in Kachland. There's also a Catholic centre of power too.
The Pat Jasan movement (civilian anti drug movement who lock up junkies in treatment centres and burn poppy fields) was based a lot from the religious groups.
I know a lot of Kachins and I've never really had the fire and brimstone impression though
let me give you a quick history (cuz i have nothing to do right now). fscchan (https://boards.fscchan.nl/
) was originally created by an r/indonesia user named anshintsuu aka anssen and his friends somewhere around 2017 . i wans't there on day 1 but from what i remember the board itself was somewhat well known especially around facebook and kaskus. fscchan wasn't exactly known for it's political view but rather the stories that the anons(awan) over there posted ranging from tear jerking love story, gay sex, incest trap sex, and a guy who shoved a broom stick inside a cat's anus. there is a /pol/ created for the imageboard, but i can't say much about the "official" political stance of the site since it wasn't common to see them other than race/religion banter. the only well known leftist user on fscchan is a namefag called kosaki_mactavish aka benrick. i wasn't there when he was active on the site but from what i've seen he seems to be a tan malaka admirer rather than a pki symphatizer.
other than that there isn't really a lot of indonesian imageboard that i know beside indochan (which is also dead). i made a post around few weeks ago on /hobby/ regarding indonesian speaking board that i know if you are curious >>>/hobby/res/752.html#q19670
Xi vows peaceful reunification with Taiwan days after sending warplaneshttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-e2-80-99s-xi-vows-peaceful-e2-80-98unification-e2-80-99-with-taiwan-days-after-sending-a-surge-of-warplanes-near-the-island/ar-AAPj9H9
Houri otas, houri wain, oan Taiwan ass'wain.
How does this compare with Timor? I always get reminded of the latter whenever I see any topics related to the Chinese reunification of Taiwan tho
The two are completely unrelated.>One is a left over strongholds of a defeated side of a civil war made by killing the natives and occupying the island using imperial forces>The other is an island taken over by a fascist minor imperial power in conjunction with Australia with the behests of America
The big differences are that Formosan natives have been completely wiped of their identities with KMT oppression. While on the other hand Timor is a divided (to the whims of mining monopolies) colonial zone of Indonesia with its nationalist identity still fighting the occupation despite genocide.
Xi is probably hoping for a case similar to the unification of Germany in which pro mainland elements in Taiwan can takeover and open a reunification election. Timor’s only escape as of now is a violent insurrection that not only for the toppling of Indonesia as a minor imperial state and the revoking of its irredentist claims but the separation of Australia from the position of being subject of the US power projection. A duel revolution. >>539629
Man this made me nostalgic of the original Vietnam board on 8chan made by a bunch of bored hanoians.
The Taiwanese identity and nationhood is really up the air not can't be compared to Timor. Most separatist movements in Indonesia have very clear cut identity distinction from Java that Taiwan does not really enjoy.
As a Latin American, I will tell you that evangelicals will be the death of your nations. Out of all the crimes USA committed in the region, the exportation of these scum is the worst crime they ever committed.
Evangelicalism enjoyed a brief period of popularity because of their message in combating the alcoholism epidemic. They later used it to push for more esoteric and reactionary shit like ethno-statism, cultish practices and quack medicine. All of it is helpfully funded by US delegations.
Pan SEA-Latin America alliance when? Latin America is much cooler than SEA tbh.
antipodean alliance? based!
with indonesia and brazil in the frontline
Speaking of evangelicals, what are the main factors of the rise of Indonesian radical Islam?
>>541027>Most separatist movements in Indonesia have very clear cut identity distinction from Java >Taiwan does not really enjoy.
taiwan has a clear-cut distinction with china too? also china insists that taiwan is theirs
Saudis>>541865> taiwan has a clear-cut distinction with china too?
Not really. I mean the current DPP are sympathetic to aboriginals there but the main bulk of them are still Han Chinese. I wouldn’t be able to tell a Taiwanese and Mainlander other than their written words.
>>541370>Evangelicalism enjoyed a brief period of popularity because of their message in combating the alcoholism epidemic
Are you talking about Latin America? They aren't really known for binge drinking the way Irish or Eastern Euros are
>>541370>Evangelicalism enjoyed a brief period of popularity because of their message in combating the alcoholism epidemic
Are you talking about Latin America? They aren't really known for binge drinking the way Irish or Eastern Euros are
it's not just culturally
dpp is pro-independence and like to present themselves as taiwan
the ccp insists that taiwan is forever prc clay
The saudis got their hands in pushing Wahhabism everywhere it seems. They are basically bribing local Cham hundreds of thousands of dollars with matriarchal islam to convert to their brand of retarded ideology.>>542105
Nah, I’m talking locally. After the introduction of market economy in the 90s, the disadvantaged ethnic minority had their way of life dependent on state subsidies cut off. This predictably led to a wave of alcoholism similar to the eastern bloc when the USSR collapse. Then came Clinton and the Evangelists that rode his coattails. They basically use religion and monetary incentives to cure local prestigious members of the ethnic minority communities which made them quickly turned into an image a pure religion purging vices. In reality this wasn’t the case, they’re basically there in smuggled in more gusano contras under the guise of missionaries.
>>542399>They are basically bribing local Cham hundreds of thousands of dollars with matriarchal islam to convert to their brand of retarded ideology.
are there any radical islam orgs run by those chams there
like it does here
Nah, they’re just bribing people so that they’ll use the Quran under Sunni with all the patriarchal bullshit along with it. Before that the Bani Chams follows a modified version of Islam with matrilineal community.
>>541861>ywn live in a SEA-SA socialist hegemony versus the capitalist North>ywn read all about the dumb sectarianism between the parties about their form of socialism
Someday we will have our own spotlight.>>545397STONKS
an Indonesian once told me that the economy is recession proof because it is in a state of recession.
I doubt they were expecting to go anywhere. Sucks that ASEAN can't do much.
Not technically South East Asia but:https://truthout.org/articles/half-a-million-south-korean-workers-prepare-to-walk-off-jobs-in-general-strike/Half a Million South Korean Workers Prepare to Walk Off Jobs in General Strike>On October 20, at least half a million workers in South Korea — from across the construction, transportation, service, and other sectors — will walk off their jobs in a one-day general strike. The strike will be followed by mass demonstrations in urban centers and rural farmlands, culminating in a national all-people’s mobilization in January 2022. The Korean Confederation of Trade Unions (KCTU), the country’s largest labor union umbrella with 1.1 million members, is organizing these mobilizations in a broad-based front with South Korea’s urban poor and farmers.>The 15 detailed demands of the strike can be summarized as fitting within three basic areas:<Abolish “irregular work” (part-time, temporary or contract labor with little or no benefits) and extend labor protections to all workers;<Give workers power in economic restructuring decisions during times of crisis;<Nationalize key industries and socialize basic services like education and housing.
I hate how many mutt words got ported over to Vietnamese wholesale. Imperialism was the worst when it comes to language development. Well at least we’re not as cancerous as South Korea and Japan with their borrowing.>>556615<Nationalize key industries and socialize basic services like education and housing.
Yeah that will never happen. The current chaebols oligarchy would rather have Bodo League massacre 2.0. rather than caving into anti-neoliberal reforms. Sad that North Korea won’t be able to use any of this as leverage since most of their base already got wiped out in the 50s and subsequent decades of fascist dictatorship of the South.
We seriously should have an East Asian general. Too bad we never have much real East Asian anons on the board and instead those threads are dominated by weebs and dengoids.
here we have taksi (teksi), polisi (polis) (polis here means policy), and perangko (setem)
>>557435>Yeah that will never happen.
Maybe the strike will overthrow the government, like the Arab Spring but good
Yea at least Chinese doesn’t suffer from this problem.
why tag my post tho
Enough, fed. Quit playing. Whether you like it or not, Indonesia shall divided & collapse just like Yugoslavia. With some siding with China & some align with US.
Seems like a wild assertion to make but okay.
you still call me a fed up to this day rotfl>>557653>Posting muh rupiah currency superiority isn't something a fed will do.
yeah pretty much
why can you think like such first place
>"Pig Iron Bob"
This song mentions Japans invasion of China and /SEA/ and how Australian dockworkers and Seamen at Port-Kembla (Working together with a Chinese fraternal organisation) managed to halt the export of Iron for weapons to Japan by the Australian government for 4 months until the protest was dispersed by the police.>"Right that Time"
This song mentions the Sino-Japanese war and Korea obviously, Along with the Indonesian National-Revolution (where as the song says 'wharfies stopped loading any dutch-bound ships' i.e Ships flying the dutch or Dutch-Indonesian flag)
The part about Vietnam mentions the 'Boonaroo' which is the main focus of the next song.>"Boonaroo"
The HMS 'Boonaroo' was a ship who served a support role in the US/AUS/SoKo invasion of Vietnam. It's purpose was to ferry equipment to the ARVN.
As you can guess from everything else in this post, the wharfies/seamen refused to work on it eventually leading to the Navy being tasked with handling all commercial shipping to 'South-Vietnam'
Yes? Literally who gives a shit about the exact strength of the rupee over here?
>>557698>you still call me a fed up to this day rotfl
>yeah pretty much
why can you think like such first place
Why don't you see your previous posts, huh?
Absolute bait to govt site such as kominfo? >>464359"CONSOOM WISELY">>545397"muh rupiah hegemony"?
>>557758>Yes? Literally who gives a shit about the exact strength of the rupee over here?
It's rupiah (Indon currency). Not rupee (Pajeet currency). though at least those pajeets got their own representatives in the parliament & their rebels (albeit it's mautist)
The Arab spring was directly funded by the CIA. I don’t see China doing the same in the immediate future or at all.>>557795
How’s the resistance against the Omnibus laws going? Last time I heard the violent protests have stalled and replaced with more online elements.
>>561195>The Arab spring was directly funded by the CIA
Why is it?>I don’t see China doing the same in the immediate future or at all.
What same thing though?
>>561308>Why is it?
Because the real aim of the Arab Spring wasn’t to fight corruption or introduce liberal freedoms. It’s to destabilize MENA to consolidate the regional political power into the US’s two large extensions that are Israel and Saudi Arabia. Plus secularism is seen as a threat by these two, being theocratic ethno-states that function through ether a directly colonized people as in the former or a class of slave-like foreign labor as in the latter. With secularism gone so did any attempt of the victims of the Arab spring to hold onto their natural resources or a system without neoliberal austerity.>What same thing though?
Funding or expanding their version of welfare secular state abroad. It has been shown time and time again that China is fully comfortable with bribing ex-US allies to work for them rather than try to change the regimes of these anti-communist countries. They’ll never find a Chinese Arab Spring because the first one already benefited them tremendously. See both Philippines and Indonesia or even most of SEA for how they collaborate with neoliberalism for their own gain.
>>562335>Because the real aim of the Arab Spring wasn’t to fight corruption or introduce liberal freedoms. It’s to destabilize MENA to consolidate the regional political power into the US’s two large extensions that are Israel and Saudi Arabia.
People don't talk about this enough.
Palestine was completely untouched by the Arab spring
I have to say, I sympathize the Australian labour movement more than any other Anglos because they seemed more aware of international crises and causes and willing to act over it.
why are australian workers that based? knowing that it's anglo
>>561195>How’s the resistance against the Omnibus laws going? Last time I heard the violent protests have stalled and replaced with more online elements.
BTFO, abandoned, destroyed, gone. Nothing remains. Let's hope Prabowo prediction come faster with the recession & all. Indonesia is on the verge of collapse anyway.
>>561195>How’s the resistance against the Omnibus laws going? Last time I heard the violent protests have stalled and replaced with more online elements.
No more news so I would say that the craze has ended.>>562976>Indonesia is on the verge of collapse anyway.
In which senses?
Palestine was half collapsing under the apartheid rule of Israel at that point. Now they’re closer to 80%. Plus Hamas is partly created by Mossad.>>562985
So the article is saying commies can smear dogshit on Suharto’s statues as long as you use Islam as a crutch? Based.>>562976
Sad and gay. People like to say how cucked South Korea is but the closest SEA get to that level might be Thailand and Indonesia.
Welp turns out the entire PKI massacre was directly orchestrated by MI6 and CIA. Color me surprise.
It is an open secret. IIRC the historian who exposed the CIA can’t go back to America.
Another fat dumbass trying to play the victim by playing up her own plight. It’s just so stupid. WP seriously need some drastic personnel change for them to get any traction. Less drama queens and more of actual workers.
One way or another, we do
Excellent point! I assume you would be joining WP then?
Changing it from the inside seems really difficult. I’m from a nonpartisan perspective here since I’m kinda too disillusioned with party politics rn. Not to mention the annoying SJWs already entrenched themselves in WP.
Wow, including this, I literally have three (3) exact interactions regarding the response to this stupid event. How disappointing :/
Hopefully no anon get caught up in future purges if Bongbong wins. God is dead.
Bumping for more recent information from Myanmar. What the hell is happening?https://facebook.com/ပြည်သူ့လွတ်မြောက်ရေးတပ်မတော်-184630383664128/
Never expect sage to be this based wow.>>610636>>610723>>610741
Dengoids had stooped to the level of stanning duterte and the mujahideen in the name of national self determination despite supporting one side of a conflict goes exactly against that. It’s sad really.
>>590080>God I fucking hate this region…
You're not alone, anon
Finally some rationality.
>>621168>2 years to make the amendment >not change much
It’s just them externalizing their racism to the world. Nothing can be black without reminding them of slavery. Nothing can be yellow without reminding them of Chinese people. They live in a perpetual state of looking at the world as Americanized caricatures.
I literally can’t make a simple joke post without hundreds of American autists screaming cops about how they just decided to quit and they totally didn’t lose. Seriously what is there to be so salty about a war half a century ago.
You live in Thailand?>>624469>it’s still because of the fake rape allegations
Man they shouldn’t have focused on something that matter so little.
>>624908>Man they shouldn’t have focused on something that matter so little.
Tbf she doubled down like a dumbass.
The fact that she didn’t even bother fact checking before doing so is straight up idiotic. Basically clinging your entire career on a nobody whose story conveniently fitted into her agenda.
Nothing really matters, since Indon also part of China's puppet country not only burgers puppet
You got to be so dense if still believe in that country.
After all, what can Indon cucks done besides screw up everything?
Yea she could have just said that she heard from someone and nobody would really give a shit and/or can’t prove her wrong.
212 RALLY: 5th Anniversary
Local rightoids gathering for the anniversary of a protest known as 212. Reminds me of Trump. Video shows some people even bringing the Taliban flag.
>>627968>mfw it is true
We aren’t going to make it bros…
>>627973>"Of more than 300 cases detected involving Omicron, it's all mild, even some people do not exhibit symptoms."
Another source from Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-01/many-omicron-cases-are-in-the-vaccinated-says-australia-s-kelly
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