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 No.392953[Last 50 Posts]

Previous thread ( >>210868 ) hit bump limit.

We scientific (STEM) socialism here.

READING
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
For a complete reading list, see: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/two-reading-lists/

Cockshott's Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/williamCockshott/

Cockshott's youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ

Cockshott's Blogs
https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/
http://paulcockshott.co.uk/

Cockshott's videos torrent archive
Here's the torrent with all of Paul Cockshott's YouTube channel videos up to 27/10/2020 (i.e. Eliminating inequality):
Magnet link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d5e5cc7a91228fef2ea213f816b27cfea8185961&dn=Paul%5FCockshott%5F%28October%5F27th%5F2020%29&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.internetwarriors.net%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.cyberia.is%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fexplodie.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fp4p.arenabg.ch%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker1.itzmx.com%3A8080%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker3.itzmx.com%3A6961%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.zerobytes.xyz%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.tiny-vps.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ds.is%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.si%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3A451%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fretracker.lanta-net.ru%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fopen.acgnxtracker.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.moeking.me%3A6969%2Fannounce
Torrent file:
https://anonymousfiles.io/RileL0Sn/

This thread is for the discussion of cybersocialism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and of course the great immortal scientist himself, WILLIAM PAUL COCKSHOTT.

Archives of previous thread
1) https://archive.is/uNCEY
2) https://web.archive.org/web/20201218152831/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/997358.html
3) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1092975361

You can make webm related real by contacting Ck on his Facebook or YT channel.
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 No.392963

Can anybody here prove new American left wrong on his analysis of central planning and hakim?
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 No.392965

>>392963
please link his criticism so we may address it
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 No.392967

>viewing webm
>>>> "COMPUTER SHIT"
nig, are you for real?

are you even living in the 21st century

wtf
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 No.392969

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 No.392971

Okay, comrades. Let's meme this into reality. Does anyone have Cockshott's contact on Patreon/Youtube/Facebook?

If so, please, for the love of god, make this """debate""" happen.

thx
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 No.392974

>>392969
>His cockshott video
watching rn
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 No.392977

File: 1626907958490.jpg (257.03 KB, 1024x768, 4429102422_a2b68f8710_b.jpg)

CUCKSHOTT LMAO
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 No.392979

>>392969
ALREADY 00:30 in, I know that this midget NEVER read a single page of Cockshott!

>muh centralized blanning

UYGHA, STFU, Cockshott makes it *explicit* that his proposed system can work in a non-centralized fashion.

WHAT
DE
FUG

Why are anglo youtubers doing this, for real? Nig, just read like 20 pages from the author you are supposedly criticizing.

HOLY
FUCKING
SHET
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 No.392981

>>392969
You can contact him via email
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 No.392983

>Ludwig Von Mee Sees
is this for real?
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 No.392986

File: 1626908158318.png (70.91 KB, 209x476, 133123.png)

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 No.392988

gorilla man is an anglo cuck
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 No.392990

File: 1626908231489-0.jpg (15.42 KB, 400x400, 1626719450061.jpg)

File: 1626908231489-1.png (1.25 MB, 1592x1740, 07a3p4ohrmc71.png)

my god
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 No.392994

>>392990
glows in the dark
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 No.392996

>>392969
>>392963
Who the fuck is this guy?
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 No.393008

>>392996
A vaushite “leftist”
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 No.393014

>>393002
lmao, will be deleted in 4… 3…. 2…
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 No.393022

>>392963
Stop posting literal feds
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 No.393026

>new thread
>immediately derailed by a fed breadtuber and infrared
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 No.393027

File: 1626909116179-0.pdf (7.99 MB, 218x300, Oskar Lange (Auth.) - Intr….pdf)

File: 1626909116179-1.pdf (11.99 MB, 186x300, L. V. Kantorovich - The Be….pdf)

File: 1626909116179-2.pdf (24.53 MB, 199x300, Wassily Leontief - Input-O….pdf)

Posting reading material from the previous threads
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 No.393030

>>392963
Wallmart.
Amazon.
Microsoft.
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 No.393031

File: 1626909270578-0.pdf (1.05 MB, 213x300, Arguments for Socialism - ….pdf)

File: 1626909270578-1.pdf (162.16 KB, 67x118, Transition to 21st sociali….pdf)

File: 1626909270578-2.pdf (47.26 KB, 67x118, Socialism_and_Innovation.pdf)

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 No.393034

>>392963
Stop shilling SDL's sock puppet account.
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 No.393037

LITEARALLY just send 2$ to Cockshott and be able to tell him that a f*ggot (who shall be not named) wishes to debate him: https://www.patreon.com/williamCockshott
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 No.393039

dialectics
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 No.393044

File: 1626909692120-0.pdf (3.51 MB, 230x300, W Paul Cockshott_ L M Mack….pdf)

File: 1626909692120-1.pdf (210.96 KB, 232x300, A more critical look at Ma….pdf)

File: 1626909692120-2.pdf (328.1 KB, 232x300, HeinzDietrich21Csocialism.pdf)

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 No.393045

>>393039
dayalactax
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 No.393046

>>393037
I already emailed him with my uni account
just buy him a beer if you meet him don't be wierd
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 No.393048

>>393046
>just buy him a beer if you meet him don't be wierd
I would buy him anything if I actually met him
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 No.393051

>>393046
>meet anglo computer man
>spaghetti jumps out of my pocket
how the fuck do you even buy someone else a beer, can't I just show him my meme collection or something like that to break the ice?
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 No.393053

>>393046
>I already emailed him with my uni account
proof? you can censor parts you don't wanna let be public
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 No.393060

>>393051
more like
>meet Scot computer nerd
<aged 97
>tell him how I enjoyed his books
>especially his chapter about "Communes" in TaNS
>before I could say anything he goes on a long tirade about how
<WEE NEED TO HAVE PONIES IN ALL COMMUNAL UNITS
<WE NEED TO BAN GAY-ITUDE
<SOCIALISM IS WHEN FAX MACHINES
>listen respectfully, then walk out
why is Cockshott like this?
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 No.393065

Sorry to break it to you, but two things basically remove a lot of credibility from the computer guy narrative:
1. in a chat with FinBol a couple of years ago, someone asked him the most dreaded but fundamental question: how do you sustain a system where whatever job you have, you'll get paid exactly the same? He came up with the most underwhelming answer: well, you take pride in doing your job well. Basically a non-answer and something completely disappointing coming from someone that tries to mathematise every bloody thing to then come up with a "because reasons" answer. Also, while he advocate for the complete and total elimination of each and every "market" mechanism whatsoever, he then said that when there are not enough people willing to do some kind of job, you just… paid them more! So, the demand-side for a job goes down, the supply-side just goes up. Totally not a market logic!
2. He made some video a few years ago when he supposedly "debunked" the reasons why people should push for some kind of UBI. I'm not taking a side here, but I'm just bringing to your attention an actual example, not some "because reasons" scholarly assumption. He said in the end that a UBI would be, among other things, a "help to the worst employers" or an "incentive" to them. Well, here in Wopistan, porkies and especially smaller porkies are crying so much because a welfare benefit introduced in the last couple of years - i.e. "giving money to people to don't do nothing" - is basically undercutting the possibility by restaurants and such shit to hire for the shitty wages they were used to pay to waiters. A real life demonstration that something that is not even close to an actual full UBI can nonetheless work very well against "the worst kinds of employers" and not be an "incentive" for them. Beside this, in that video he only considers raising the income tax for low and medium brackets as a mean to finance an UBI, while things like imposing wealth taxes, land taxes and property taxes are apparently not even contemplated.
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 No.393067

>>393065
Pretty weird copypasta
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 No.393069

File: 1626910373361.png (14.81 KB, 816x736, penispew.png)

>>393051
>how the fuck do you even buy someone else a beer
you meet up after the symposium
>>393053
pic related
>>393060
not enough hatred of the transes
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 No.393072

>>393069
>Sent from my Windows 10 device
my GAHWD
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 No.393075

>>393072
>write long, multi-paragraph email with clearly delineated questions
>get single-line response in return
every convo with paul
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 No.393084

>>392953
>3) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1092975361

I'm actually 3.5 hours in to this stream, getting to the part where [CENSORED] is debating economics with this rando, and HOLY SHIT. He is dropping the name of "Cockshott" every 10 minutes. Now mind you, [39573] is not a Cockshottian (as proofed by OP webm), but he literally drops his name when debating a pro-capitalist every 10 minutes.

My take: fucking Ginjeet got under his skin good. He was shilling Cockshott every second stream he got on before he got banned.

In any case, the takeaway from all of this: be autistic like Ginjeet and shill BASED theorists like Cockshott ruthlessly, because it will get under the skin of "opinion shapers" [like the person who shalln't be named].
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 No.393086

>>393075
based, i guess
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 No.393090

>>393075
I wrote like twice multi paragraph shit to him and he replied in kind.
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 No.393091

>>393084
based autism, lmao
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 No.393095

>>393084
> [like the person who shalln't be named].
Are you talking about destiny Jesus fucking christ what is this cringy liberal he who shouldn’t be named bullshit just call him by his name faggot
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 No.393096

>>393095
our mods (PBUH) made it bannable to mention the person in question

keep up with what's going on on leftypol?
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 No.393098

>>393095
> bannable to mention the person in question
Since when?
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 No.393100

>>393096
who?

>>393069
you Swedish, right? Cuz I sent those words of yours thru google translate, so u must be Swedcuck.
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 No.393103

>>393098
Since radlib mod takeover, lol.

>>393100
it's not Swedish

>>393072
Cockshott is like 70 years old. He will use whatever shit is put into his hands, fo real.
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 No.393104

>>393098
long story
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 No.393107

>>393103
>it's not Swedish

definitely Swedish
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 No.393115

>>393065
>Totally not a market logic!
<markets are where supply and demand happens
<supply and demand only exist under capitalism
t. has never read a single page of Marx
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 No.393116

>>393115
Cockshott solves all of these non-problems
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 No.393117

cockshot is god, btw
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 No.393120

>>393103
>Since radlib mod takeover, lol
You really don't keep up with the Element, do you? If anything, the mods consistently refuse do ban /pol/yps under the premise of "converting" them, yet will auto ban radlibs immediately, despite both being idpol.
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 No.393121

>>393116
He does solve many problems and makes people seethe and strawman so hard. Maybe because it flies in the face of (((market socialists))), Dengoids and succdems/demsocs on the right end, and in the face of leftcoms, ultraleft, council communists on the left end. Based marxist centrism.
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 No.393124

>>393121
Just a simple question, you pseud!

Where does Cockshott (or Michael Roberts) use the term "Dengoid?"

Oh, nowhere?

Maybe you are an absolute pseud.
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 No.393126

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>>393124
Obviously he doesn't use the literal term Dengoid. But you're surely mistaken if someone like Cockshott is a rabid fan of market socialist Dengoidism. Critical support at best. Image related.
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 No.393127


>>393126
He BTFO both BayArea and another guy arguments under the market socialism video, that's for sure.
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 No.393129

>>393120
The actual makeup of our mod time as of now, you FAGGOT:
>60% non-ML
<while our community is AT LEAST 60% ML

>literal idpol fags who praised CHAZ

>literal idpol fags who think if you crit BLM you are a nazi


>fucking idpol lords

(no women, btw, lmao)
>vegans
>lots of vegans
(because it's woke!!)

maybe try familiarizing yourself with said Element before shitting on people who already did.

sage, cuz off topic.
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 No.393131

>>393120
Radlibs possess enough rat cunning to be able to infiltrate and subvert shit, pollacks are too retarded and disorganized to pose a threat.
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 No.393135

>>393127
We're /plangang/ ITT. Market "socialists" please behave politely or face the wrath of "The Cock"
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 No.393138

>Haz in this debate drops the name "Paul Cockshott" like 50 times
not even joking
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 No.393202

>>393129
>60% non-ML
<while our community is AT LEAST 60% ML
Ok, but that's not a point on them being radlibs. The idea that the tendency that dominates the board has to be the tendency that dominates it's moderation is absurd, and this is coming from someone who sees themselves as practically ML and has been extremely critical of the mod team in the past.
>literal idpol fags who praised CHAZ
>literal idpol fags who think if you crit BLM you are a nazi
I haven't witnessed this being said.
>fucking idpol lords (no women, btw, lmao)
Where? If anything, the mod practically instabans liberal idpol, while letting /pol/ idpol stay up
>vegans
>lots of vegans (because it's woke!!)
Where? Also, having a dietary preference is not the same as being a radlib, for whatever stupid reason. Being a radlibs relates to ones actual politics and lack of actual class analysis.
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 No.393213

>>393120
>>393202
this
mods are fags
caballo is the biggest faggot
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 No.393223

>>393202
<veganism is merely
>a dietary preference
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 No.393858

>>393065
>how do you sustain a system where whatever job you have, you'll get paid exactly the same?
He doesn't advocate for that. See TANS, chapter two.
>UBI
Like with the first issue, it seems you don't remember his actual position. UBI subsidizes employers who pay below living wage. It's wrong to think about this as some given fixed amount of jobs. UBI shifts jobs towards this and generates idiotic prices and so on.

The juxtaposition of these two positions – claiming to be worried there won't be enough differentiation in income while wanting to reduce the income difference between working and not working – looks very odd. The effect is that the post does not look like a genuine inquiry to me.
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 No.393951

File: 1626958360530.webm (36.08 MB, 640x360, Central Planning (Probabl….webm)

>>392969
the cowards privated their videos. luckily people like me use youtube-dl. had to transcode it to fit under 80M
it also seems like they deleted the entire channel, and their twitter
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 No.393962

I tried asking this in the last thread but it hit the bump limit so I try asking again. Does anyone know anything about the "China DOS Union"? is it made by an actual union? or something different?
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 No.393972

>>393951
>it also seems like they deleted the entire channel, and their twitter
based
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 No.394040

File: 1626963716138-0.png (1.25 MB, 1592x1740, 1626908231489-1.png)

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>>393951
My god, this person is such a glowie, he immediately dismissed anyone else who criticizes him as a "Red Fascist" He
's definitely a radlib pretending to be a leftist.

I think his channel got deleted because people were exposing him to be a glowie.
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 No.394067

>>392979
>Cockshott makes it *explicit* that his proposed system can work in a non-centralized fashion.
How? There cannot be a decentralized legal system, so how can there be a decentralized plan? This doesn't make any sense.
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 No.394072

>>394040
I don’t the fact that his website is registered to a Florida pedophile with a license to practice law is proof he’s CIA. He definitely affiliates himself with scum and he’s an idiot but that doesn’t make him CIA
[Spoiler]I do believe SDL and Vaush are CIA though[/Spoiler]
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 No.394085

>>394072
<Connections to Florida and Ukraine uncovered
<Emerges within the Vaush/Destiny sphere (he has had "debates" with both under the Pogan moniker that are amicable; i.e. to pull from that same audience from the start)
<Trotskyite foreign policy
<Leftist, well-produced aesthetics from the get-go
<Economically right-wing, pro-market, anti-planning
<Cites Von Mises, Hayek
>Not CIA
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 No.394090

>>394085
Idk man a lot of people are just rich and independently try to push a right wing agenda without help from the cia. If you get some evidence like what we have on vaush (spooks whispering in his ear during that debate with hinkle telling him what to say on syria) or on SDL (his father worked in the military industrial complex) then I’ll believe you.
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 No.394097

>>393129
This. Fuck jannies
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 No.394112

>>393951
>>394040
Lmfao @ the faggot cucking out
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 No.394476

>>394067
>There cannot be a decentralized legal system
local ordinances don't real?
>how can there be a decentralized plan?
the plan emerges from a set of inequalities (see Kantorovich). these inequalities encode things like maximum allowed greenhouse gas emissions, the length of the working week, technical coefficients for each good that can be produced etc.. this is not something that can be built entirely from above, but would be the collective product of the entire working class. every worker and every workplace "owns" a set of rows in this giant equation

assuming a linear program is enough, it will look like this:
Ax <= b
where A is a sparse matrix containing what I mentioned earlier, b is the right-hand side of each constraint and x is the vector of labour intensities (the "plan" so to say)

in reality a linear program is probably not enough. we need to start looking at non-convex programs.
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 No.394502

File: 1626983778152.jpg (28.39 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg)

NEW VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jpuHM_k9CU
<Communist democratic planning
>Talk to the Workers' and Punks' University. The WPU is a collective of students, researchers and activists who organize series of public lectures, workshops and seminars on issues that are both theoretically crucial and politically urgent. Located in the Autonomous Cultural Centre Metelkova and affiliated with the Peace Institute (Ljubljana, Slovenia), it provides a radical alternative to academic social science and humanities. Instead of degrees it offers public debate, and instead of expert knowledge, theory.

>>394067
give this a watch
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 No.394797

File: 1626990044548.jpg (159.5 KB, 290x524, Cockshott doomed2.jpg)

>>394502
>40 minutes
Based
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 No.394814

>>393129
None of those points are true with respect to the mod team. The matrix chat is alnost for anybody to join however.
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 No.394819

>>394797
Yo cockshott is indeed based as fuck I don't care what anybody says.
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 No.394854

Paul Cockshott:
>"Oi m8 it's dialectical innit bruv"
What did he mean by this?
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 No.394870

Cockshott's been active on twitter lately. Unfortunately he keeps posting his usual anti-trans content. He's gonna get cancelled in no time if he keeps this up lmao
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 No.394873

>>394870
what is his @
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 No.394889

>>394870
If Cockshott gets cancelled /leftypol/ goes to war
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 No.394919

>>394870
>check twitter
>all the angry responses are she/hers with anime avys
Seems like he struck a nerve.
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 No.396118

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 No.396129

>>394870
oh god, this is going to cause so much of a shitstorm. please paul, leave this to the radfems
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 No.396131

>>394870
I kneel
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 No.396440

How do we get Cockshott on the Jimmy Dore Show?
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 No.396487

>>394870
Is it actually him? LOL
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 No.396493

>>396440
Get Cockshott familiar with Mike Gravel and then lean on Jimmy that Cockshott has something similar to Gravel's citizen legislation proposal.
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 No.396554

>>394040
Who is this guy? Can't find any videos on yt.
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 No.396597

>>393951
we need to archive
also anyone have the jimmy dore nazbol video
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 No.396615

>>396554
He deleted them all and quit the project yesterday after getting cyber-dunked by real socialists and communists from all sides at once the last couple of days.
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 No.397156

File: 1627081938493.png (40.08 KB, 598x460, to be continued.png)

>>394873
>>396487
Yeah, it's him. Old account he would basically only use for promoting his videos, but now it seems he's decided to use it for more than just that. It's @PaulCockshott.

>>396129
I do hope he shuts the fuck up about this as he is clearly out of depth and it can only be detrimental to the wider recognition of his work. Plus he's getting trolled hard by zoomers as you see in picrel
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 No.397294

File: 1627085392758.mp4 (18.15 MB, 640x358, 090-War and Revolution - t….mp4)

This video is now age restricted and therefore inaccessible without giving your credit card details to glowgle.
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 No.397295

>>397156
Could you be more sensationalist?
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 No.397298

>>397294
you can sidestep 18+ lock on youtube by copy pasting the youtube link to https://9convert.com/ and downloading the vid
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 No.397355

>>397298
Yeah just researched this a bit quickly and it seems there are scrips too that you can use to work around this problem. Someone should DM the invidious and FreeTube devs and tell them about this, maybe it could be integrated to allow you to choose "I'm 18+" in a setting natively
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 No.397361

>>397294
>tfw had a Google account before they cared what age you were
>tfw I'm 133 and still watching Minecraft let's plays
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 No.397389

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 No.397413

>>397389
No, just Marxism-Leninism. (Of the cybernetic kind, in this case).
Nazbol gang meme was a mistake on large part
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 No.397792

>>397156
>I do hope he shuts the fuck up about this as he is clearly out of depth and it can only be detrimental to the wider recognition of his work. Plus he's getting trolled hard by zoomers as you see in picrel
Lmao, who cares about fucking zoomers, they are a fucking joke. They should fuck off to fortnite, twitch or whatever hole they crawled out of with their retarded pronounce word police. Leave theory to Big Boys and go play in your twitter autist corner radlibs.
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 No.397805

>>397792
>w-we're just fanboying over a retard who can't read hegel (or even marx) b-because economics and computer!
>no you are the idpol radlib REEEEEE
hang yourself on the nearest tree or jump off the highest building available, retarded /pol/ack "convert"
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 No.397813

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>>397805
Your perturbed response is the most satisfying reply you could deliver at this instance, kiddo.
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 No.397819

>>397805
>>397792
Both retarded. uyghas old, he should focus on pushing planning technology as far as he can take it, idpol is a social battle for the next generation, but he's right here and many anglos need to hear that queer shit is no longer in anyway even reform, let alone revolutionary, it's pure status quo. And the fact we have leftypolers calling this shit 'pol' shows that it needs to be discussed. We only have so much time on this Earth though
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>>397805
Lmao, of course zoomer radlib is all over hegel's dick. Bet you also think dialectics is an actual investigative method and not a purely rhetorical tool, AHAHAHA.
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>>397805
Brainlet detected
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 No.397823

>>397819
>Both retarded.
you retarded zizekhead

>he should focus on

he should focus on what he wants to focus
what some retarded zizekhead thinks people "should" do is irrelevant because retarded zizekhead is irrelevant

>And the fact we have leftypolers calling this shit 'pol' shows that it needs to be discussed.

Then go make your thread and discuss how you want to be a girl there. Just don't try to enforce your retarded vision on us, ok? Marxism is about economics first, everything else is tangential, and it's surely not about you wanting to cut your dick off zizekhead.
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>>397823
How can I be irrelevant when I live in your head rent free?
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>>397294
Why is it age restricted? It's a good video. Cockshott is a closet accelerationist.
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>>397830
I mean 'war' and 'revolution' are some big no-no words. It is based though
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>>397827
the lack of self-awareness is staggering
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>>397838
I know right, this guy is really retarded
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>>397827
What, you think leftypol and its flagfags avatarfags are relevant?
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>>397846
Who do you think got trump elected, huh? The Russians? Hahahahahahaha
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>>397830
I'm surprised they didn't age restrict the ones where proves the LTV right and exposes neoclassic economics as hokum
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>>396493
Mr Gravel died
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 No.403074

Has any of you sent Paul Krugman any of Cockshott's videos?
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 No.403095

Have any of these cybernetic plans been tested in the real world, even if on a small scale?
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>>403095
Walmart
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>>403095
the USSR before its end
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>>403095
there was project cybersyn in chile in the early 70s, dont know how well it worked tho
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>>397294
>communists must serve on the army
umm… so what are they gonna do when they're instructed to go and suppress a worker's strike or similar? this doesn't make any sense
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>>403486
It was never implemented because coup
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 No.403575

>>403571
It was partly implemented to circumvent the roadsters strike, but yeah, it was never fully implemented because coup.
>>403069
F
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 No.403578

Hum, I'm surprised that no one mentioned Cybersin until now. In the last one there was mention of Kantorovich and Stafford Beer.
I haven't followed the thread lately but I hope something useful emerges.
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>>403558
>t. admitter of never having studied the October revolution a day in his life
Good look.
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>>403720
You know there was a huge amount of time before the October Revolution where the army did suppress the workers right?
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>>403575
>it was never fully implemented because coup
F
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 No.413812

Currently reading TANS to get more in depth into cybersoc stuff, and i have a question.
Cockshott says that the calculations for the system would be run by planning softwares on computers, and that a distributed decentralized feedback system for data would be in place.
In such a vision, my question is: Given taht the calculation are to be done in labour hours, how would the SNLT in labour hours for each object be derived?
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 No.413831

>>413812
>Given taht the calculation are to be done in labour hours, how would the SNLT in labour hours for each object be derived?
I am 99.9% sure this gets answered in the book if you keep reading.
Basically you do what Marx already alluded to and count all the compound labor and make an aggregate.

If you make a wooden chair, the labor isn't just your assembly. It's also
1. Getting the wood
2. Getting the hammer
3. Getting the nails

You can break this up further:
1. Transporting all these materials
2. Someone tending after the trees
3. Someone mining resources for the purpose of building the hammer and the nails

You can break this up further:
1. Materials needed to create mining tools
2. Materials needed to create transportation means

And so on. You can do this over and over again, although you will get accurate results after a few iterations. The calculation problem doesn't exist and was formulated in a time where computers where actual human beings counting things and not data processing machines, certainly not the supercomputers of today (although Cockshott demonstrates that even moderately powerful 90s computers would be up to the task).
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>>413831
Doesn't this require firms not to lie on the necessary labour time for things though?
In a sense isn't there an element of trust in all this?
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NEW VIDEO
<Complex versus intense labour
>What is the difference between complex labour and intense labour in the Marxian theory of value?
>A short video to explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwGG32IIIcw

>>413812
>Given taht the calculation are to be done in labour hours, how would the SNLT in labour hours for each object be derived?
this can be done via statistics. measure the output across an entire industry, divide by the total amount of labour time -> aggregate labour values

>>413924
>Doesn't this require firms not to lie on the necessary labour time for things though?
yes. Glushkov had problems with getting accurate data. probably has to do with fear of getting sent to gulag for not fulfilling production quotas, so you lie about how much you can produce. using labour values would put pressure on performing social labour instead of less-social labour (shoddy, lazy work)
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>>415145
So how could that small but crucial trust issues be overcome?
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 No.415765

I want to start learning about Cuckshoot and cyber socialism but I'm a brainlet, how can I start? There's some easy to understand video?
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>>415745
Rigorous investigation and dismemberment the second fuckery of the sort is found
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>>415745
this problem is the essence of the transition from socialism to communism I think. communism can only arise when people don't try to cheat the system. getting to that point is likely to take several generations, hundreds of years. until then we'll need incentives of various forms, and in extreme cases punishment

>>415765
did you read TANS? you can skim the math-y parts
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 No.415882

>>397792
>leave theory to Big Boys
<post on twitter
pick one
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 No.416524

>>415745
Make the border between the "firm" (production location) and the outside world more permeable, with a constant coming and going of "tourists" (I mean people who may want to work there one day and other interested third parties) and "exchange students" (I mean people doing the same work in another place).
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>>416524
this is an interesting idea. meshes well with the notion of wanting a "flow" of people in the political system, via sortition, which probably helps avoid corruption
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>>415882
How many twitter posts would it take to post all three volumes of capital
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>>417754
125 tweets but that includes the publishing info and stuff (had to use a hacky way to get the character count of the books)
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 No.419785

It would be dope to have sigma edit of Dickblast. Especially of that clip where he says (paraphrasing): if you believe in Hayeks understanding of informtion theory you should visit Chernobyl and die.

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