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 No.393980

I have for a while known that it was only a matter of time before this happens.

About 5 days ago, protests broke out in the Iranian Arab province of khuzestan. Itan has been hit by an extreme drought that has hit Khuzestan rspecially hard and combined with constant power outages, poor water rationing and a covid situation that is not improving, people have been pushed to the breaking point.

While the Protests were localized to Khuzestan and initially only demanding basic necessities, only 3 days later they have spread into numerous Iranian cities including Tehran and demands have quickly turned into anti government slogans. People are now no longer demanding water but calling for the abolition of the Islamic republic and resignation of the supreme leader. The current president is a hardliner who won the vote amids the lowest turnout in the country's history due to the fact that most of the population boycotted the elections in protest.

Today the slogans have become outright blasphemous and militant. All over Tehran you could hear "Death to Khamenei" and "ditch the Quran,long live Iran"

Police opened fire yesterday, and in retaliation citizens shot dead two police officers. 5 protesters have been killed so far and a tank that had been brought to block the road has been set on fire. Fires and skirmishes with police rage across numerous cities. People in Khuzestan have hoisted the arab separatist flag of Ahvaz. Some protesters can be seen carrying Iranian flags with the islamic emblem cut out. The government has shut down internet in the country.

It's important to remember that /leftypol/ and leftistsbin general have no horses in this race. This is a conflict between liberals and religious fundamentalists. Unlike Cuba these appear to be organic grassroots protests. There is very little evidence that these are US orchestrated even though they likely have their blessing. There are no US flags or pro US slogans, and western media is completely silent on the protests as of now. Most people are unaware of them. This is an infight between reactionaries, so please refeain from shitting up the thread with side taking.

This might or might not be a happening, but this thread is for following the situation and posting updates as well as discussion.
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 No.393983

Are the liberals pro-US or Israel?
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 No.393984

>>393983
cause if not then the proper take is to side with the liberals. ;^)
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 No.393989

Tl;dr Mullahs have gotten too cocky, people are angry, shit is burning, critical supporters coping and seething as usual.
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 No.393990

>>393984
According to Lenin, yeah.
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 No.393995

>>393980
WTF is Tudeh doing in all this?
Is it at the head of the protests?
If not, the mullahs are the better choice.
If yes, I hope the red flag will fly on Teheran.
It's that simple IMHO.
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 No.393997

>>393995
tudeh is a living corpse
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 No.394000

>>393995
So far the protests are not being lead by any political party. They sprung up spontaneously as flash mobs. So far we do not have any single tendency dominating although they are likely comprised of liberals, monarchists, socialists, anarchists and ethnic separatists. There might be small numbers of Communists and MEK supporters but they have not made an official statement yet. Most of the rioters are radical students and apolitical people.
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 No.394004

>>394000
IMHO its either full socialism or protesters should GTFO.
Enough with that Shah or liberalism bullshit.
At least the mullahs fight Israel, libs wouldn't do even that.
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 No.394009

The US starves them with sanctions, in hopes the people rise up and defeat the Ayatollah. Then they'll either descend into civil war, or they'll get another Shah type leader, implanted by the CIA.
Anything for the shekel grabbers.
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 No.394016

>>394009

The least right-wing iran supporter.
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 No.394024

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 No.394055

>>394000
>They sprung up spontaneously as flash mobs
then they're gonna openly fail or they'll get co-opted by the MeK and amerimutts
most likely fail, this isn't the first time we've seen shit like this pop up in Iran
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 No.394056

>>394000
Flash mobs without directions are begging to be coopted by the US
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 No.394068

>>393995
>tudeh
Literal US state department plant.
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 No.394071

Support
Regime in Iran should change like Russia, only China is based in east-bloc
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 No.394083

Good ol spontaneous uprising, how I missed you! Got tired of this color revolution bullshit with leaders on american payroll, it's time for some soviets!
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 No.394099

>>393980
Oh shit, a friend just went back home. I wonder if they're all right.
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 No.394109

>>394009
An almost good take from a nazi crazy. Anyways a civil war is very likely, all the conditions are there and Iran's population is very young. Hopefully it doesn't devolve into a U.S backed color revolution or end up like the Arab spring where they just cycle through military juntas.
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 No.394119

doubt anything major will come of this
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 No.394123

>>394068
Wasn't MEK the glowie one?
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 No.394134

>>394123
Both exists in exile. Tudeh is so minute in membership that the only proof of their continued existence is the main website.
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 No.394659

Already over?
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 No.394981

Some news? This seems like a rather important happening, but for now i haven't seen that much media coverage.
Also does some anon know something about the political opposition to the iranian government? or about iranian politics in general?
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 No.395020

>>393980
>This is a conflict between liberals and religious fundamentalists.
Call me a lib if you want, but I honestly support liberals over religious fanatics, at least as long as said liberals aren't US-backed compradors.

>>394004
>At least the mullahs fight Israel, libs wouldn't do even that.
I'm not so sure about that. There's probably more than just religion/ideology driving their opposition to Israel.
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 No.395082

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 No.395135

>>395020
>at least as long as said liberals aren't US-backed compradors.
They always will be
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 No.395147

>ditch the Quran,long live Iran
fucking metal
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 No.395159

>>395135
After seeing the size of marches after Soleimani died, I doubt even liberal factions in Iran are pro-US.
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 No.395184

>>394056
Yeah, most color revolutions originate from legitimate organic protests/movements which are quickly outmaneuvered, outmanned & hijacked by NED-backed fronts.

Imperial leftists don't seem to understand the process by which a legitimate organic movement is cynically transformed into a vessel for Imperial intervention.

Two big tell tale signs are the shoes & the signs. When the protestors seem to transition from wearing dirty Povo work boots & sandals to clean, new, pricey looking Nike/Addidas sneakers and when the number of protest signs in near-perfect English & with American protest slogans outnumbers the signs in the local language, you know the US state department is in command.
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 No.395199

>>395159
Never doubt a liberals ability to cuck out for their holy burgerland.
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 No.395201

>>395184
Also the absence of concrete class-related demands from the people is a BIG red flag.
Also there are some accounts who are manifestly ran by glowies which could be of help in this.
Kenneth Roth YourAnonCentral and Thomas Van Linge come to mind.
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 No.395210

>>395184
#SOSIran
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 No.395226

Nottinburger.
I watched Persian media (non-reactionaries one, that it is obvious they are financed by foreign hands) and the protests are small in size of their region, and almost immediately next in the morning everything is as usual.
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 No.395240

>>395201
>Also the absence of concrete class-related demands from the people is a BIG red flag.

That's probably an even better tell-tale sign, yeah. When the demands switch from concrete & material (IE Affordable housing, access to medicine, wages/working conditions, etc) toward vague, liberal & indefinable (FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!) is an absolute dead giveaway.

The demands must always be non-concrete, vague and feelsy because the demands cannot be relatable to by western audiences. Protesting and rioting over "freedom" however is fine, because we already have "freedom" here…
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 No.395376

>>395226
Thanks for saying so. Are you Persian?
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 No.395833

>>395020
>There's probably more than just religion/ideology driving their opposition to Israel.
explain
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 No.395839

Colour revolution or legitimate protest?
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 No.395850

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>>395226
Wouldn't glowies know to pay for more than one day of paid protesting?
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 No.395855

>>395240
>toward vague, liberal & indefinable


How are they vague? They are demanding the resignation of the supreme leader and the dissolution of the Islamic republic. How is living under a brutal theocracy not a materialist demand? They only differ on whether to execute them afterwards or not.
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 No.395865

Aren't you groids forgetting something? https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1383844733542305792
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 No.396018

>>395839
75/25 IMHO.
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 No.396022

>>395855
>They kill the theocrat
<Liberalization ensues
<Privatization ensues
<Now they're same or worse than before

Many such cases!
It's socialism or nothing
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 No.396396

Instagram restores posts issuing DEATH THREATS against Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei, claiming these are in ‘public interest’
https://www.rt.com/news/530035-instagram-restores-death-threats-ayatollah-khamenei/
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 No.399327

>>396022
Which one brings Iran closer to socialism though? The continuity of the ayatollah and the islamic republic, or whatever liberalization brings?
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 No.399332

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FREE AHWAZ
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 No.399333

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FREEDOM AND LONG LIFE TO OUR OPPRESSED BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN AHWAZ, LONG LIVE THE ARAB NATION
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 No.399335

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أحواز مجانية
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 No.399336

>>399327
Neither of them, both are reactionary.
Both just one of them is reactionary at home AND abroad, and it is the liberal side.
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 No.399421

>>393980
>"ditch the Quran,long live Iran"
Do you have any source for that? That would get anyone who says it executed immediately so I honestly doubt it happened, I doubt that people would outright ditch their religion just because they don't like the Ayatollah.
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 No.400042

>>399336
Isn't it foolish to reduce the analysis so much? Of course, both religious fanatics and liberals are our enemies, yet one hurts us way more than the other. Indeed, the Ayatollah regime benefits international socialism because of it's anti-US stance but, as flawed as liberal democracy is, I still believe it is somewhat better to be a communist under liberalism than under a conservative, imperative, dictatorship. At the end, whatever makes the fight easier for Iranian socialists should be what's best
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 No.400079

>>400042
>At the end, whatever makes the fight easier for Iranian socialists should be what's best
ofc true but easy to say; and it's also true is that liberalizing a non-liberal state has a terrible track record, e.g. fall of ussr and the ransacking of its nationalized industries by the west. you can't just assume a secular liberal revolt would go smoothly and end up with a better situation for iranians, in Iran's case I can't imagine it
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 No.400270

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>>399421
I mean.
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 No.400359

>>400042
It makes the fight easier for Iranian socialists while fucking up Yemeni/Syrian/Lebanese/Palestinian people.
It's simply a game not worth playing.
Either socialism or the status quo.
No third way.
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 No.400578

>extreme drought that has hit Khuzestan rspecially hard and combined with constant power outages, poor water rationing and a covid situation that is not improving, people have been pushed to the breaking point.
I don't doubt that all this is true to one extent or another. The US has a special kind of hateboner for Iran so it would surprise me if they're not involved on some corner as well but I'm sure there are many people who are protesting over legitimate grievances. However it's worth keeping in mind that these material grievances are exacerbated by US sanctions on Iran.

Look, do I support Islamic theocracy? No.
Do I doubt the Iranian government is repressive against both liberal and socialist elements? No.
Do I doubt there are legitimate complaints regarding stuff like corruption, incompetent governance, inequality, etc? No.

But Iran is a bulwark for resistance to US imperialism/hegemony in the region right now. They support the armed resistance in Palestine (including the communist PFLP), they support Hezbollah, they support Ansarallah, they assisted Syria in defeating the US/Saudi backed salafi-contras, and they support groups like the PMF in Iraq. A liberal government would probably be better than the Islamic government in certain ways (at least in theory) but I'm worried that a colour revolution or some other kind of uprising would jeopardize Iran's resistance. I obviously can't do anything about it either way so I'll just watch and see what happens.
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 No.401036

>Itan
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 No.401092

Worth noting that a lot of the dissent in Khuzestan will be Arab Nationalism.
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 No.401141

>>400578
>>400359
Think materially not idealistically, Iran mostly does these things for geopolitical not religious reasons, if a liberal regime comes to power these policies would undoubtedly continue.
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 No.401154

>>401142
Maybe, but Iran's most popular figure Mossadegh
was an anti-imperialist and a secular democratic with social democratic tendencies.
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 No.401174

>>401141
>Iran mostly does these things for geopolitical not religious reasons, if a liberal regime comes to power these policies would undoubtedly continue.
How can you be so sure of this? There's already a precedent for a western backed puppet regime in Iran with close ties to Israel, you know. Doesn't seem at all inevitable to me.
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 No.401179

>>401174
In a democratic election, the popular choice would lie on someone like
>>401154
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 No.401188

>>401179
>democratic election
Oxymoron, elections are an oligarchic institution.
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 No.401225

>>401179
>Democratic
<elections
No such things
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 No.401254

>>401188
>>401225
> NOOOOO, ONLY DIRECT-DEMOCRACY
fuck off, there will be still "leader-electing" democracy.
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 No.401849

>>400359
I don't believe a liberal Iran would instantly turn pro-US. Iranian people seem to dislike the US too much to make that feasible. Even so, if you admit it makes the fight easier for Iranian socialists, then it does bring socialism closer. If I were Iranian, I would find it ridiculous to be told I should not fight to bring down a religious dictatorship simply because it is inconvenient for some international game of chess
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 No.401863

>>401141
>if a liberal regime comes to power these policies would undoubtedly continue.
>>401141
>Think materially not realistically
Ah, yes, that's why the U.S. is sabotaging, sanctioning, because Iran will be the same no matter who.
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 No.401870

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>>401254
>DIRECT-DEMOCRACY
By which you of course mean "actual democracy". You have imbibed a lot of propaganda, anon. It's okay, it's never too late to get educated. Democracy has two critical components: citizen involvement in decision-making and government officials selected by random lot. Elections, on the other hand, are an oligarchic tool that always selects for the better off in society to "represent" the worse off even before a single vote is cast. The Romans and Spartans both elected their leaders and yet they never claimed to be democracies. The fiction of equating elections with democracy was an invention by 18th century aristocrats attempting to appeal to populist sentiment without actual empowering the populace.
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 No.401875

>>401142
Despite the OP being a disgusting ziokike who should be purged during the Ba'ath reconquest, he is right, Iranians are as much of an enemy and occupier of our people as the ziokikes and the turks, all of them are sides of the same coin, FREEDOM FOR AHWAZ
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 No.401876

>>393980
My wish is for communists to take over the country but that's not gonna happen is it?

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