Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 01:50:55 No. 472994
TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATTACK AT AGET FACTORY <"Exploited people have nothing to do with self-denial other than the denial of their status as such. Only in this way will their bosses, their leaders, their variously adorned apologists be eliminated with them. "In this 'huge project of urgent demolition', we must seek joy quickly." https://athens.indymedia.org/post/1613978/ Some more DAC writing theory crafting.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:03:19 No. 473008
I'm unironically a fully black pilled doomer. History is dead.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:16:48 No. 473015
>>472982 Anarchism is nothing more than capitalists funding libertarians to act as anti-capitalists to de legitimize and threaten real marxist leninist revolutions. You guys are pawns without even knowing it.
(keep sectarian shitposting to a minimum and sectarian critiques civil) Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:33:17 No. 473027
>>473015 wanna back any of that up?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:44:45 No. 473040
>>472982 >The on going sliding Yes. It died.
NameCom 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:48:27 No. 473042
>>473015 This is fucking retarded.
>>472982 This is also fucking retarded.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:50:38 No. 473048
>>473042 >>473027 Anarchists believe that communism can just be born from the overthrown government. That there doesn't need to be a state or any type of organization beyond small collectives. Its retarded and i'm glad people consider anarchism to be filled with edgy teenagers who want to loot and riot. Fuck Anarchists. Murdering the Krondstadt sailors was the most based thing the USSR ever did.
NameCom 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:53:42 No. 473056
>>473048 >Anarchists believe that communism can just be born from the overthrown government. And I believe you are someone who needs their access to the internet cut entirely.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:54:59 No. 473060
>>473056 Anarchists need to be killed. they are cringe and degenerate. Its idpol taken to its max.
(cool it with the sectarian remarks) Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:57:13 No. 473063
>>473042 >>473056 May the jannies bless you 😇😇😇🙏🙏🙏
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:57:35 No. 473064
>>473060 Is it not past your bedtime?
NameCom 2021-09-02 (Thu) 02:57:59 No. 473066
>>473060 >Anarchists need to be killed. Sounds like someone needs their fucking pacifier, because they are throwing a little larping bitch fit.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 03:07:20 No. 473081
this for people completely disconnected from actual issues
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 03:14:54 No. 473088
>>473081 >this for people completely disconnected from actual issues Brother. If Anarchidm General bothers you simply minimize it. Do not do this to yourself.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:19:34 No. 473163
>>473081 go back to arguing whether assad is based or cringe
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:27:54 No. 473173
anyone thinking they can change anything about the world is legitimately the most funniest fucking thing to me.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:28:29 No. 473174
can you be a business owner and an anarchist?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:38:10 No. 473188
>>473174 why the hell not? nothing matters.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:40:45 No. 473192
>>473188 Aren't anarchist against the Bourgeoisie?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:52:55 No. 473210
>>473206 I haven't read that much Anarchist theory (only the foundational ones) but wouldn't the writers of said theory care?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:55:45 No. 473212
>>473210 anarchist do whatever the hell they want, I dont care about some boomer that died 300 years ago.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 04:58:50 No. 473214
>>473212 >anarchist do whatever the hell they want Isn't Anarchism the freedom without taking someone else's freedom?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 05:05:12 No. 473221
>>473214 I have no idea and again don't care. everything is slavery
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 05:06:02 No. 473222
>>473221 the most honest anarchist
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 05:22:54 No. 473235
>>473221 >I have no idea and again don't care. everything is slavery based retard.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 12:17:14 No. 473574
>>472982 Do some actual discussion to scare away the tankies.
What do y'all think about platformism? Can it work with or at least coexist with insurrectionary action?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 12:26:33 No. 473579
>>473574 >Can it work with or at least coexist with insurrectionary action? How do you mean? They both exist and have to varying degrees for a while, so I guess they can coexist, albeit with regular denunciations and polemical aimed at each other.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 16:30:22 No. 473859
>>473574 no. any more nonsense questions completely divorced from any context or reality?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 16:33:02 No. 473861
How do sewerage systems work?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 16:49:27 No. 473900
>>473861 Pee Pee Poo Poo inna ditch. Add dirt.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 17:16:46 No. 473945
>>473861 waste management company
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 17:23:29 No. 473960
>>473945 I mean that is how it works in burgerville.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 17:41:31 No. 473992
>>473990 with the abolition of the state there is nothing to protect homosexuals from being deleted by homophobes
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 18:12:32 No. 474118
>>473990 When will his new book drop?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 18:54:32 No. 474257
>>473992 There is also nothing to protect homophobes from being deleted by homosexuals
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 18:57:08 No. 474261
>>473992 the state has largely protected and insured homophobes safe from retribution
am i to also believe that the cops who patrol the streets by day and wear klan hoodies by night are really genuinely enforcing civil rights just because some politicians declared it so?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 18:59:54 No. 474266
Reminder after ww2 and up until the 60s american and British lawyers in west Berlin argued pink-triangles should finish their sentences in western jails.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 00:51:49 No. 474899
what did stirner mean when he said >If we now see that to the two sides opposite things appear as truth, to one the natural, to the other the intellectual, to one earthly things and relations, to the other heavenly (the heavenly fatherland, “Jerusalem that is above,” etc.), it still remains to be considered how the new time and that undeniable reversal could come out of antiquity. But the ancients themselves worked toward making their truth a lie.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 01:18:24 No. 474934
>>474261 no other way around it protects homosexuals
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 02:32:13 No. 475053
>>473163 go back to complaining how its bad for anarchist to actually do community outreach and other shit that actually helps people
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 07:10:45 No. 475416
>>474118 > November 9, 2021 Something to look forward to.
sage sage 2021-09-03 (Fri) 09:41:40 No. 475482
this thread is a honeypot
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 13:25:59 No. 475585
>>475482 Retard.
Spite bump.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 18:15:26 No. 484402
Did anyone save the previous thread?
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 00:05:03 No. 486710
Redpill me on Crimethinc. I like the aesthetics. I can't get behind shit like Leninism and Maoism because I live in a post-soviet country so all that seems to be like pure cringe. But anarchism looks like something I could get behind.
Based UniquePoster !!4vHQBgW5aM 2021-09-11 (Sat) 01:04:21 No. 486757
Is post-left anarchism anti-civ/anti-tech/prim? I don't see an anarchist society in which we have factories, means of production, live in a high tech world, etc. The only situation in which anarchism would seem to work is in some isolated commune in the desert, and fuck that. Might consider just being a spooked Leftist so I can have running water at the end of the day…
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 01:18:14 No. 486767
>>484402 I 4hink lefty chan will have most of it, at least to point of divergence.
>>486710 >Redpill me on Crimethinc Lots of good older work but turned lame and cringe over last few years. New blood + trying to ride the anti trump wave made them retarded.
>>486757 >Is post-left anarchism anti-civ/anti-tech/prim Yes.
You are so cringe. I absolutely refuse to believe you are real. Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 02:12:04 No. 486804
Reminder Makhno did nothing wrong
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 22:47:58 No. 488771
>>486804 >Reminder Makhno did nothing wrong >nothing wrong. Anon… He lost.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 01:49:28 No. 489019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5O9Ptdu8E Anarchists can be extremely cool, it's just that the lamest and most unimportant are the most vocal.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 07:06:56 No. 489443
Anarchy is by its nature the transitory state between two different systems of government when the old system has collapsed but the new system has not fully established itself.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 07:54:45 No. 489502
>>489443 Communism(a stateless society) is by its nature the transitory state between two different systems of government when the old system has collapsed but the new system has not fully established itself.
At best communists can be kingmakers and pick a faction to side with that they feel is better than the current faction that is in charge , and at worst they fade into irrelevance as the new system establishes itself and eliminates known troublemakers .
So a smart communist would want to establish a minimalist socialist state that respects freedom, then take this as a win, because it is probably the best that is likely to be achievable.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 09:03:34 No. 489584
Is anarcho-nihilism the same as insurrectionary anarchism but without a goal?
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 09:21:10 No. 489594
Imagine calling yourself a communist and saying you want communism (classless, moneyless, stateless society) and then going on to say that anarchy can never work. Hush child. The actual adult disagreement is over how to transition to communism. Go play with yourself in the corner.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 20:11:41 No. 490286
>>489594 >caring about or thinking about "communism" at all grow up
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 20:17:13 No. 490298
>>489594 don’t you have “mutual aid” and “dual power” to be doing?
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 20:35:11 No. 490349
>>490304 Disappointed the graph wasn't some schizowave stuff tbh
Anonymous 2021-09-13 (Mon) 05:32:09 No. 491090
I dont need a book written by some upper middle class university to expropriate
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 13:00:34 No. 500852
This seems like the correct anarcho thread. Have any of you read Commander X aka Christopher doyans memoirs about anonymous and the PLF in the 2000s?
He was arrested recently
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/ddos-fugitive-commander-x-arrested-in-mexico-extradited-to-us/ Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 13:02:25 No. 500854
>>500852 X is a grifter and attention seeker. He makes a lot of things up.
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 13:21:14 No. 500876
>>500852 .pdf plox
Also sewerage systems?
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 16:06:46 No. 500993
>>500894 convert it yourself lazyman
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 17:40:10 No. 501084
Quick question. How would large effort scientific research, where a lot of resources and manpower is needed, under anarchist organisation?
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 17:44:23 No. 501088
>>473043 extremely homosexual
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 23:26:17 No. 501450
>>501084 they dont know and if they do its a clusterfuck
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 23:27:31 No. 501453
>>501084 wouldnt happen, and fuck your space telescopes
Anonymous 2021-09-25 (Sat) 10:42:31 No. 512173
Why did assassinations go out of fashion? Seems like these days they are all state-sponsored.
Anonymous 2021-09-27 (Mon) 06:13:40 No. 515757
>>512173 Greeks and Italians still done recently. I dont think they did per se, I think it's more a question of infrastructure or lack of within the milieu. Peoples life time projects tend to be far more foundational. I.e taking and holding physical space.
Anonymous 2021-10-02 (Sat) 18:07:01 No. 526782
>>475990 I love how sympathetic it is to every tendency and then has a complete meltdown on the post-leftists.
Anonymous 2021-10-02 (Sat) 18:40:16 No. 526852
>>501453 But I want my MRI machines, superbug resistant anti-biotics research, surgery robots, malaria research, seismic research, solar flare warning systems, geolocation and communication satellites, material research and protein folding.
Is that too much to ask for?
Anonymous 2021-10-02 (Sat) 19:04:20 No. 526886
>>526875 Damn :(
Anyway, is complicated modern economy possible in ANCOM or is degrowth necessary?
Anonymous 2021-10-03 (Sun) 11:13:21 No. 528361
>>526886 It does not make much sense to talk about it through the lens of capitalist economy. It is not a question of (de)growth, but a radical transformation. For rich people it might mean "degrowth" or even the end of the economy, but to the rest of us it will be the first time the economy will be run actually for our benefit.
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 23:49:07 No. 533740
>>501084 I'm not a anarchist or whatever but I always assumed it worked like any other institution like school or something. Where it would mostly be done by people discussing or voting in on a proposal, collaborating with local members of the industry to discuss how resource allocation would work, and what they would get in return. I guess i would stop golden fleece tier science from being done but at the same time it sounds like it may slow down efficiency.
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 23:50:24 No. 533743
>>501084 It wouldn't be much different from how it is now in the actual research part. What would be different is the acquisition of resources, which wouldn't be decided either by which research is most marketable to publishers or by some kind of state power. Experts would be able to devote their efforts to whatever their expertise told them were the current frontiers. It's not some authority or command structure that makes all the experts in these fields understand how to operate.
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 06:40:29 No. 534447
>>533771
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 07:44:19 No. 534490
>>533771
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 15:21:48 No. 534793
>>534490 >Without a state there is no third party to resolve inevitable disputes in the market not really, the functions of the state would just be privatized
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 15:22:35 No. 534795
>>534490 >there is no treasury to mint a currency that everyone agrees to use. even currency can be privatized
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 01:37:11 No. 535977
>>535024 nope, stateless capitalism
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 01:48:09 No. 535997
>>535977 *feudalism with another name
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 01:49:23 No. 536000
>>535997 makes as much since as calling socialism, capitalism with another name
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 02:30:21 No. 536061
>>486767 >but turned lame and cringe over last few years. damn, just found out about them and started reading some of their stuff.
fcking zoomers ruining stuff *again*
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 03:41:13 No. 536171
Isn't the main difference between the Marxist and the Anarchist, the view of what the state is itself? The anarchist See's the state as the monopoly on violence that is organized in unjusified hierarchy's. The Marxist see's it as the dominance of one class over the other in social and economic relations. To the anarchist the abolition of the state is a abolition of structures. To the Marxist it is a abolition of class relations. The ancom may implement the class view to what a state is but also generally has this organizational horizontalist view to add to it. While to the Marxist once class is abolished so is the state. I as you can tell haven't read much anarchist theory is this horizontalist stuff internet memery or real?
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 03:49:47 No. 536177
>>536171 >While to the Marxist once class is abolished so is the state. somebody shoulda told Lenin that lol
Yeah this is a problem with using the same word to mean different things.
It's important to understand that the state does exist in reference to class relations but also that it's an entity unto itself. If you preserve the state for real, as in preserve state power you are also preserving some kind of de-facto class dynamic. It's not necessarily capitalist, but if you have an instrument of power controlled by some people that defines most people's relationship to the production process you have a class system in effect. You can understand the state from an anarchist perspective as simply "unjust hierarchy" but you can also more usefully see it the way Marxists do. The problem is just that some Marxists deny that the state functions in this way and rather than a dictatorship of the proletariat (giving control of state institutions to the workers) they have a dictatorship of the vanguard party, which splits society into two groups with separate interests due to different relations to the production process (workers vs managers), which is not even that different from capitalism as far as class systems go.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 04:20:18 No. 536221
>>536177 >While to the Marxist once class is abolished so is the state. (somebody shoulda told Lenin that lol)
Let's be charitable to the USSR and say they completely eliminated the bourgeoisie as a class in the USSR. The dictatorship of the proletariat at that point isn't a direct rule of the prole over inside the USSR bourgeois but a DOTP from the grips of international capital.
the USSR always had a 5th column bourgeoisie to need suppress through proletarian class rule from NEP to gorby, I'm just making a larger point this lays bare the need in the Marxist sense for international revolution to truly be stateless. Any Marxist actually thinking the USSR had any chance to be stateless in those conditions are kidding themselves.
Yeah this is a problem with using the same word to mean different things.
(It's important to understand that the state does exist in reference to class relations but also that it's an entity unto itself. If you preserve the state for real, as in preserve state power you are also preserving some kind of de-facto class dynamic. It's not necessarily capitalist, but if you have an instrument of power controlled by some people that defines most people's relationship to the production process you have a class system in effect. You can understand the state from an anarchist perspective as simply "unjust hierarchy" but you can also more usefully see it the way Marxists do. The problem is just that some Marxists deny that the state functions in this way and rather than a dictatorship of the proletariat (giving control of state institutions to the workers) they have a dictatorship of the vanguard party, which splits society into two groups with separate interests due to different relations to the production process (workers vs managers), which is not even that different from capitalism as far as class systems go.)
The longer we have socialism in one region/nation the more the fight against the bureaucracy and intelligentsia must be fought. I see a general failure from Marx or Lenin to foresee this region by region spread that defined the 20th century. They believed the proletariat as a international body would as a whole cast aside their chains. Issues that leftcoms or trots reeeeee about all day like commodity production or socialism in one country spur directly from having to cope with this spread of revolution we now know is the way it will have to be. This means that to the leftcom trot we will have to go through a "state capitalism" phase to get to the lower stage of communism. What pushes me ML is not always agreeing with Democratic centralism… but that I'm OK and see the necessity to go through this phase as we get region to region to go our side. The USSR didn't exist in a vacuum to these people's begrudgingly. Neither will the lower
LOWER stages of tomorrows communism.
Basically Bitchs be letting terminology get in the way of the bigger goal to eliminate the bourgeois chains of exploitation and alienation.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 04:37:44 No. 536243
>>536221 I mean state capitalism in the pre revisionist USSR DPRK sense (as in the way leftcoms see it)(I see those example's as post capitalist pre-lower stage) so not the dengist sense, so no one @ me to reeeee.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 05:03:19 No. 536260
I dont see the appeal of anarchism
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 15:38:10 No. 536878
>>536221 Good analysis. It's worth adding that at least in the case of the USSR all of this was virgin territory so while banter is fun we shouldn't be too harsh in judging them for their rookie mistakes or their limitations. Everybody who follows afterward does need to be held to account if they fail to learn from history, however.
somebody did foresee it though lol
>Basically Bitchs be letting terminology get in the way of the bigger goal to eliminate the bourgeois chains of exploitation and alienation. This basically.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 15:39:39 No. 536883
>>536270 There are anarchists in a totality sense who just want to abolish any and all hierarchical systems, and there is anarchist in the sense of wanting to get rid of states as a political system. Often the two are confused, and there is some overlap or middle ground as well. Most here probably are more "abolish the state" kinds.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 17:58:41 No. 537167
>>536900 >are anarchists against This is a difficult sort of question to answer, especially the more specific you get.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 18:57:09 No. 537264
>>536878 >somebody did foresee it though lol Who?
Also I may try to make a effort post thread on this region by region issue and how the communist movement should handle it.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 19:03:52 No. 537275
>>537264 >Who? Anarchists contemporary to Marx, most famously Bakunin criticized that attempts at DotP would degenerate into bureaucrats and party insiders having power rather than the broader working class.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 19:07:41 No. 537279
>>537201
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 19:10:37 No. 537288
>>537279 Well there could be but it'd be met with self defense
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 19:30:07 No. 537319
>>537279 Why would somebody try to dominate another? I mean it could exist here and there I guess, like rape and murder, but it would be the exception. Because social pressure if anything else.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 19:35:46 No. 537331
>>537275 I was talking region to region issues and the development of cold war geopolitics. Honestly its funny that anarchist think they could avoid these developments in a cold war environment that is if they could survive to get that far.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 19:51:05 No. 537363
>>537341
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 20:11:03 No. 537379
>>537369 >ok but thats just speculation, scarcity and demand could still exist >again it depends on the situation, most interactions are peaceful but thats not what we're talking about
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 22:35:50 No. 537547
how does one go about finding direct action groups if all your friends are either armchair socialists or wishy washy "activists" who don't see the point in anything more radical than XR ?
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 00:25:04 No. 537672
>>473048 >That there doesn't need to be a state or any type of organization beyond small collectives. >Doesn't know pretty much all social anarchists propose delegation and federation as a replacement to the state This is what happens when you have no idea what your talking, please stop your embarrassing your self.
Not perfect but gives you the basic idea of anarchist society, go to Essay number 5 On Federalism and Socialism
https://libcom.org/files/Michael%20Bakunin%20-%20Selected%20Writings.pdf#%5B%7B%22num%22%3A170%2C%22gen%22%3A0%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22XYZ%22%7D%2C57.85%2C480.46%2Cnull%5D Also this video gives a good idea too
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 02:37:52 No. 537819
Any communalist chad in here to try and convince me of the ideology?
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 14:54:56 No. 538388
>>537976
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 23:57:32 No. 543312
>>472982 What is the endgame or victory condition for this variant of the anarchist philosophy?
Is it just a perpetual revolution and an excuse for ultraviolence that assumes victory is impossible?
Anonymous 2021-10-12 (Tue) 00:50:07 No. 543391
>>543312 basically this
>>537455 but with anarchism
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 04:14:50 No. 547660
>>536835 >>536900 >>537201 >>537279 The assumption that anarchists make is that the state is a vehicle that is used when one group of persons wish to deprive another group for their own benefit.
The state is the way in which systemic oppression, they reason, is reconciled without structural collapse. It is a careful balance of the interests of the ruling class, with the political mysticism needed to reconcile the fundamentally blatant exploitative class relations of domination over a subservient servile class.
This condition of domination and exploitation of the larger working class by the capitalist class. This relationship is one fraught with tension and resembles a bad relationship to power. Anarchists can't envision the existence of a worker's state as a genuine transitional step to a stateless and classless society and seek to attack the state as well.
I have described, thus far, Anarchism in a way that Anarchists will find probably too dialectical. I used to be very interested in Anarchism myself but I had trouble with how scattered some Anarchist messaging and its philosophy were. The theory is disparate and decentralized by a lack of direction, conflicted, and essentially is whatever other theory grafted onto it. But nevertheless I am impressed by movements influenced by anarchism, such as the Zapatistas, and appreciate listening to some genuine anarchists.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 18:53:47 No. 548313
>>547747 > stupid question That's an understatement.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 19:01:13 No. 548318
>>547747 He's a capitalist, and not the good kind (if there is such a thing). The whole poor godfather side is not something of a solidarity with the people you exploit but rather the stuff of a paternalist company town owner who has the power of the boss and the state at the same time. So yeah I guess it would be similar to selling dengism.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:12:15 No. 548385
>>548318 what if we still critique'd all of that and called it "Colombian characteristics"? /j
i'm just looking for a good illegalist example since that's kinda my division
i mean there's pirates but idk if it's relevant nowadays and such, i mean they're still fucking pirates tho, that's metal as fuck
but considering the actual crime "scene" is pretty much CIA puppets and such
i wish we could have something more coherent.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:25:51 No. 548403
>>548385 If you yearn for "illegalistic" anarchist examples you don't have to go very far. Take Action Directe for example, those people were not doing illegal shit as a dogma mind you, but trying to collect enough capital from the exploiters trough illegal means in order to kickstart what they saw as an impending social revolution. Those were real anarchist uygha, they helped their spanish comrades to come and go to fight franquism, tried to terrorize NATO oils and the high bourgeoisie trough targeted assassinations, bombed public buildings for the poor etc. They also tried very hard to not kill any innocent people. And they were very well read people who could explain to you whatever communist ideology or concept you could ask, familiar with leninism and maoism yet succeeding in operating in anarchy while hunted by multiple states.
I think people are fascinated with Escobar because he's a big bourgeois… but edgy. And also maybe because we can get cheap coke thanks to him.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:29:09 No. 548406
>>548403 not as much as a dogma but rather "illegal" shit is fun and ez
like seriously stealing is such a life saving skill
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:30:47 No. 548409
>>548385 Just loot a supermarket or something. Why are you looking for a father figure?
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:32:11 No. 548412
>>537976
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:39:32 No. 548422
>>548406 I mean I agree with you about stealing being such a skill but you realize you can't exactly be an anarchist unless you use your skills for this political project. If you steal for your own gain you're just a petty thieve, and nobody will call you a an escobarist with colombian characteristics for selling cocaine
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:44:08 No. 548430
>>548422 define anarchism and "political project"
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 20:57:06 No. 548455
>>548451 Honestly this meme representing a schizoid fascist retard just makes me reassured I didn't spend time defining some basic concepts any child could find in a dictionary.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 21:04:03 No. 548463
>>548441 My mom: TERF
>>548455 >anarchism ok, which dictionary? there's a lot of them and usually they pull definitions out of their ass
like saying the Nazis were socialists because they have "socialist" in the name
"check mate socialists"
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 21:09:17 No. 548471
>>548463 >ok, which dictionary? I can only advise you to continue your research in the famous "oxford political dictionary for brain damaged retards"
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 21:21:44 No. 548498
>>547747 >>548385 you realize he killed bunch of innocent people out of pure profit seeking
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 21:39:04 No. 548522
>he killed bunch of innocent people out of pure profit seeking
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 21:44:14 No. 548526
>>548522 at least escobar made my coke cheap, what did deng do huh??
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 22:04:24 No. 548544
>>548498 *productive forces
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 00:45:25 No. 548766
>>548612 You better believe it, Marx seethed about Stirner, Lenin cried about Makhno and Stalin wrote a whole cringe pamphlet against anarchism. Only Mao took notes.
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 03:20:52 No. 549000
https://benjaminnorton.substack.com/p/in-cointelpro-fbi-used-anarchism In COINTELPRO, FBI used anarchism to 'disrupt left', attack Vietnam & USSR lol ]Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 03:42:14 No. 549026
>>549000 well that sucks.
so glad i can't even get near the US because my dad got us all banned from there lol
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 03:46:45 No. 549029
>>549026 >my dad got us all banned from there lol Sounds like there's a story in there, don't hesitate to share.
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 03:51:11 No. 549033
>>548598 >Cult of personality Spooky
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 04:00:27 No. 549039
>>549029 well he just kinda kept getting in trouble spitting through the border and taking pictures, then he put his foot across the border in front of the border patrol
they asked him to sign an apology he told them to fuck off and now nobody in my family can get into the US
i mean i pretty much admitted that the US government already has all of us on a watchlist and my biggest "doxing" concerns are from the fascists in my city but we already know each other's addresses so…
i'm basically JC Denton rn
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 04:03:42 No. 549042
>>548766 >Only Mao took notes. How so?
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 04:10:36 No. 549054
>>549039 Man borders fucking suck, and those border patrol types will take any excuse to fuck up people particularly if someone dare to stand up to this shit. Your father was right albeit shortsighted. I also didn't know the US could blacklist families for the action of one of its individuals but it doesn't surprise me tbh.
You better get some real augmentations uygha
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 04:15:20 No. 549062
>>549042 Basically the entire cultural revolution thing where he told people to practice communism at home. It didn't go as planned but he still tried to inspire people to make a down to top communist society trough massive participation and horizontal organizing. And it had good lasting effects.
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 04:17:24 No. 549065
>>549054 yea, my family didn't believed him at first until my auntie tried to get inside and she couldn't
but the fun part is that half my family is already there lmao
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 14:20:49 No. 549383
>>549062 I take anarchists are sympathetic to things like mass line then?
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 14:27:00 No. 549391
>>549038 Someone worshiping themselves ≠ Bunch of people venerating them
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 16:08:34 No. 549496
>>549434 >The essential element of the mass line is consulting the masses, interpreting their suggestions within the framework of Marxism-Leninism, and then enforcing the resulting policies.
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 18:21:50 No. 549626
>>549609 >not if the masses favor a state >interpreting their suggestions within the framework of [anarchism]
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 20:37:59 No. 549862
Why don't you post in
>>>/dead/ instead?
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 21:13:51 No. 549916
> anarchism
Anonymous 2021-10-16 (Sat) 23:30:31 No. 550101
>>550087
Anonymous 2021-10-17 (Sun) 01:26:06 No. 550262
>>549000 >this proves that anarchists are feds guise! >conveniently forgets that maoists were also infiltrated and warped by the CIA https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/a-threat-of-the-first-magnitude-a-history-of-fbi-counterintelligence-and-infiltration/ Also
>greyzone Yeah let's completely forget that they're funded and given a platform via goldman sachs
https://www.causeiq.com/organizations/peoples-forum,611844780/ Or that Greek MLs sided with cops
https://web.archive.org/web/20150507041345/https://roarmag.org/2011/10/anarchists-communists-strike-riots-violence-greece/ Or Hungarian MLs platformed fascists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEL1J560xM Hey, while we're at it you remember the time China supported the Mujahadeen and Pinochet's chile?
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/pl-china-9.htm Or that time the USSR left greek communists for dead?
https://www.marxist.com/israel-stalin-zionism150503.htm The FBI playing to the already uneasy tensions between Anarchists and MLs isn't anything new, given the history of the russian and spanish civil war. And besides, have any of these leftist orgs listed ACTUALLY lead to any of these leaders being killed? Fred Hampton to my understanding wasn't killed by a bitter anarchist or some raving maoist.
What's funnier is that the FBI was also created to stop anarchists initially before it branched out to stop MLs.
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2010/november/anarchist_111610/anarchist_111610 In conclusion I can just as easily call MLs feds and supporters of imperialism based on their own past actions. The thing is I know for a fact that not all of them do this, so calling them such is not only a shitty generalisation, but also opportunistic garbage. No tendency is free from cointelpro, opportunism or having done some incredibly shady shit. Anything you accuse other leftist tendencies of doing, members of your tendency have also done.
Anonymous 2021-10-17 (Sun) 01:42:28 No. 550285
>>550279 tfw communal sponge stick
Anonymous 2021-10-17 (Sun) 01:45:33 No. 550288
>>550262 >Yeah let's completely forget that they're funded and given a platform via goldman sachs wrong link?
Anonymous 2021-10-17 (Sun) 02:33:05 No. 550327
>>550279 >watching your homies take a shit Based
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 04:29:33 No. 552949
So is the CNT-FAI in Spain and IWW in the US the only relevant Anarchist organizations worldwide? Anywhere else where Anarchism is gaining steam and leading to growing organization?
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 05:36:27 No. 553034
>>552949 pretty sure most Anarchist organizations work from the shadows, i guess that's why left unity is important (for now)
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 05:59:38 No. 553054
>>552949 >>553034 Well, they tend to be more covert but also more localized and smaller in scale with what they do, so they're less likely to get noticed even if they're entirely public.
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 07:10:59 No. 553125
>>552949 I prefer the Italian FAI
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 16:13:44 No. 553718
Anyone bought david graeber's dawn of everything? How is it?
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 18:03:22 No. 553861
>>553718 Isn't it coming out in November?
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 19:50:23 No. 554017
>>553982 graeber discusses those ideas in 'anarchy in a manner of speaking' too
There's some really thought-provoking stuff in that discussion
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 20:32:43 No. 554085
>>554017 Oh I missed that, didn't even know it existed. It looks nice, I'll give it a read on I finish the current book I'm reading.
This was also a very nice talk by Wengrow on Dunbar's number and the claim that organizations over 150 people need hierarchy, and archaeological evidence on the contrary.
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 20:37:43 No. 554095
>>472982 You don't have a fucking AK-47
Anonymous 2021-10-18 (Mon) 20:55:38 No. 554120
>>554095 traceable firearms:
>expensive >traceable >semi auto >muh amendments >california compliant "fireworks"
>cheap >disappear into thin air the moment they're used >doesn't need fire modes might as well kill you too if you get too close >pretty much illegal everywhere >they cannot be stopped Anonymous 2021-10-19 (Tue) 17:50:27 No. 555203
>>553862 It should be out by now, did you get a copy?
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 15:27:27 No. 558006
>>534673 >What does Anarchism General think of Vermin Supreme? Based old school anarchist from when Situationism was big in north america.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:05:01 No. 558077
>>549065 Kek.
Reminds me of that Galeano story about getting a visa to the US.
He finds in the paper: Would you kill the US president [X] Yes [ ] No.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 19:56:08 No. 558373
>>558081
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 19:56:48 No. 558374
>>558077 [X] Don't we all?
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 03:40:31 No. 562589
>Greek cops fired at least 40 shots into a car last night after a chase ended in Athens suburbs resulting in dead and wounded.
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 15:43:35 No. 563445
>>562640 >hope we get some nice christmas lights this year Yes.
Onwards towards a black anarchy, my friends!
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 16:01:50 No. 563466
>>562589 Well the victim was a young Romani who according to the cops he tried to run over one of them with a stollen car, the pigs hired a notoriously corrupt lawyer .
I don't think mass riots will happen like in 2008 more likely small classes with Romani youths
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 16:14:41 No. 563505
>>563466 romanis are usually more of a problem then police
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 16:34:23 No. 563536
>>563448 Wasn't this some Polish nazis torching some LGBT thing?
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 17:54:13 No. 563670
>>563540 despite their efforts to emulate being anarchists, wignats are not anarchists.
>>563505 based romanis
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 18:47:34 No. 563811
>>563670 lumpen proles are not based
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 19:16:12 No. 563842
>>563536 >Wasn't this some Polish nazis torching some LGBT thing? Lol.. no. Wtf made you think this?
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 19:19:43 No. 563849
>>563842 pretty sure it was all over the news
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 19:25:20 No. 563863
>>563860 No.
give me your wallet and your sneakers.
Anonymous 2021-10-24 (Sun) 21:29:44 No. 564117
>>563849 The athens tree was burned by fash??
Okay. Source?
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 03:56:25 No. 564776
>>564640 if the lumpen proles are not based
then who can truly be "based"?
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 16:52:56 No. 565399
>>564918 i think they know that
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 17:25:42 No. 565444
which countries currently have the biggest anarchist base, preferably revolutionary in character?
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 17:46:39 No. 565481
>>565452
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 18:50:24 No. 565625
>>472982 How can I, as a schizophrenic shut-in, benefit the Anarchist cause?
>go outside and riot >go outside Yeah, I don't think that's happening
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 18:59:57 No. 565638
>>565627
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:08:15 No. 565650
>>565452
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:09:21 No. 565653
>>565650 Yeah the gif even shows the guy rolling it into the street. Could have been used just to block traffic.
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:15:13 No. 565667
>>565625 share online propaganda
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:20:40 No. 565677
>>565452 >underestimating the revolutionary potential of a trash can
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:20:57 No. 565678
>>565674 none existent? sounds right
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:25:52 No. 565688
>>565685 sounds like a cope honestly.
marxists leninist states have less of a failure rate then anarchism? how is that a win?
try again anarkiddie
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:28:57 No. 565694
Socialism by 2050, trust the plan!™
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:30:13 No. 565699
>>565688 >marxists leninist states have less of a failure rate then anarchism? how does it feel that every time your system fails life expectancy, quality of life, and any other measure of the proles' wellbeing plummets for a whole country?
Anonymous 2021-10-25 (Mon) 19:34:49 No. 565714
Would you look at that, pointless sectarianism created once again by stalin stans with rightoid hot takes and memes who couldn't keep out of the sole thread on this website where they are not welcome
Anonymous 2021-10-26 (Tue) 07:26:46 No. 566799
>>565714 They shouldn't be welcome anywhere else either
Anonymous 2021-10-26 (Tue) 23:46:36 No. 568372
>>564918 >>565399 >i think they know that I didnt.
Anonymous 2021-10-26 (Tue) 23:52:54 No. 568404
>>565699 > every time your system fails life expectancy, quality of life, and any other measure of the proles' wellbeing plummets for a whole country? so you're admitting that life expectancy, quality of life, and any other measure are a certain level under socialism, then less so with capitalism?
well I feel quite good about that
Anonymous 2021-10-26 (Tue) 23:54:18 No. 568408
>>568404 uh, yeah we too?
i don't think nobody ever argued in favor of capitalism
Anonymous 2021-10-26 (Tue) 23:55:19 No. 568410
>>568408 so i don't see what is such as issue with that then
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 10:30:41 No. 569134
I unironically don't want to make the world a better place. I just honestly want to organize and negate this world for treating me like shit. Anything good that comes out of it would then be sheer coincidence.
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 10:40:40 No. 569148
>>569134 >I just honestly want to organize and negate this world for treating me like shit. The real movement
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 19:07:18 No. 569754
>>569134 i used to think like this but i realized that would just set us on the same cycle again
if i really wanted to break with the cycle at least i should try and make things better for the marginalized so they can survive and then make the world better for everyone
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 19:37:36 No. 569808
>>569134 alternative i no longer crave revenge for myself
but i still would like for payback for those who didn't make it
without the burden that the need for revenge requires i can concentrate in giving myself into really enjoying the violence i can bring and enjoying the fact that i'm still here with those who i care for.
the same night awaits us all so i might as well have fun and enjoy while i can.
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 23:43:55 No. 570206
>>569808 >but i still would like for payback for those who didn't make it Sane comrade. Every day.
Both the remembered and forgotten.
Anonymous 2021-10-29 (Fri) 07:17:37 No. 572263
You still have wage slavery in AES, not because "the state is profiting from you" although it's true in a sense, but because they don't do away with the abstract and fetishized characters of modern domination: value, work etc. AES is basically capitalism minus the bourgeois. I don't think simply coops + no tax will do either, it's as utopian as AES. What's for sure is we have to despook ourselves and do some councilism.
Anonymous 2021-10-29 (Fri) 08:24:10 No. 572289
>>572263 "Actually existing socialism" was mostly used mock "socialist" states for clearly being capitalist.
Anonymous 2021-10-29 (Fri) 08:31:52 No. 572293
>>572259 How are you gonna have doctors and teachers and roads with no tax
Anonymous 2021-10-29 (Fri) 18:31:16 No. 572680
>>572293 because people legitimately want to be doctors and teachers?
fuck roads
THIS MEME WAS MADE BY RAILROADS GANG Anonymous 2021-10-30 (Sat) 16:08:19 No. 573776
>>>/dead/2734 consider posting in this thread
Anonymous 2021-11-07 (Sun) 11:36:09 No. 586140
How big is anarchism in "Latin America"? I feel like my understanding of it is very "anglo-centric".
Anonymous 2021-11-07 (Sun) 12:43:35 No. 586180
>>572259 Oh no, I'll have to work at a safe and clean job with lots of benefits and yearly vacations until I'm 55, and then retire to pursue my own interests and watch my grandchildren grow up?
OH THE HUMANITY
SAVE US ELON MUSK FROM THE NIGHTMARE OF COMMUNISM
Anonymous 2021-11-07 (Sun) 13:13:20 No. 586206
>>586202 I was meaning to make a Fredy appreciation thread on /dead/
Anonymous 2021-11-07 (Sun) 13:41:22 No. 586237
>>586140 Argentina had a strong anarchist movement in the 19th century and early 20th. Mexico too with Flores Magón.
As for in the present day, I don't know much. Some would call the zapatistas anarchists, but they don't consider themselves as such.
Sabinyak 2021-11-07 (Sun) 17:41:30 No. 586583
>>586237 they don't consider themselves as communists either
yet they have strong communist bases
as well as anarchist ones
i mean they're quite literally called "Ejercito Zapatista de
liberacion nacional"
Anonymous 2021-11-08 (Mon) 22:31:57 No. 588563
>>586237 >As for in the present day, I don't know much Still big, with lots of tendencies. Black Anarchy tendencies are big there; random example from my bookmarks:
<“…why are we required to be peaceful to the death? Why can’t we use violence against them? Why can’t we do it? If we have the Mapuche people as our ancestors, they drove back the cowardly Spaniards at spear point.” https://actforfree.noblogs.org/post/2021/10/16/chile-text-of-monica-marcelo-juan-joaquin-francisco-and-juan-before-the-trial-against-comrade-pablo-bahamondes-lets-multiply-the-gestures-of-solidarity-and-insurrectionary-complicity/ Sabinyak 2021-11-09 (Tue) 21:54:59 No. 590465
>>590412 even in divinity
there is no morality
Anonymous 2021-11-09 (Tue) 21:58:58 No. 590470
>>590465 objectively true
the whole point of God is that he is the judge
yet he himself is not put up for judgement
so there is no morality, only divine power
Anonymous 2021-11-09 (Tue) 22:40:09 No. 590521
>>588563 Yeah, now that I think about it, Chile could be an example of a country in Latinamerica where anarchism still seems to be quite influential
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 00:37:26 No. 590807
>>590786 spooks can be subverted to the egoist's ends
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 01:26:13 No. 590911
>>586583 >le freedom=anarchism amazing
sage 2021-11-10 (Wed) 01:27:05 No. 590912
>>590836 What did Stirner's concept of property mean then?
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 01:30:18 No. 590917
>>590912 >Another thing that could be frustrating for a translator is that translation is always, unavoidably, interpretation. I do not find this aspect frustrating, since I intend to make any writing I read and enjoy my own in any case. However, I do think it could be useful to readers for me to explain some of the choices I made in doing this translation. The title contains two of the words central to Stirner’s intent. They are “Einzige”{18} and “Eigentum.” In Stirner’s Critics, Stirner made it clear that “Einzige” was, for him, merely a name, a word used to point to something indescribable and inconceivable because it was incomparable, and every description, every conception, requires comparison. What is this inconceivable, indescribable, incomparable entity? It is me here and now in this moment, you here and now in this moment, each utterly transient individual being existing only in the immediate present. Any words used to describe this will be inadequate, because they will fall into a comparison and so a lie. So Stirner chooses simply to give it a name. I found that there were a few ways to translate “Einzige.” In most instances, I chose to translate it as “the unique.” Not “the unique one,” because Stirner did not intend for “Einzige” to describe a being, but to rather simply to give a name to that which is beyond description in order to point to it in writing. In my translation “the unique” is that name. However, another possible way to translate “Einzige” is “the only one.” There are a few passages in The Unique where this translation gets the sense across better, and there I used this phrase. Where “einzige” is used as an adjective, I simply translate as “unique.” >My choice to translate “Eigentum” as property was an easy choice. The German word, like the English “property,” has a broad spectrum of meanings not limited to the economic one. In Der Einzige und sein Eigentum, Stirner mostly used it in the broadest sense, to mean all the traits, experiences, actions, things, etc. that make an individual in the moment utterly unlike any other individual. How broadly Stirner understood both the unique and its property is quite clear in this passage from Stirner’s Critics: “You, the unique, are ‘the unique’ only together with ‘your property.’ … Meanwhile, it doesn’t escape you that what is yours is still itself its own at the same time, i.e., it has its own existence; it is the unique the same as you…”{19} So there is nothing humanistic in “the unique.” Every animal, every tree, every rock, etc. is also, for itself, the unique with its own property, its own world, that extends as far as its capacities, as Stirner would put it. And for Stirner, my property is precisely the whole of my world to the extent that I can grasp it. Your property is the whole of your world to the extent that you can grasp it. Property then is a “phenomenology of perception” combined with my capacity to take in and act on that perception. When I become aware of my own power in this, why would I ever choose to reduce my property to what the state permits to me? How could I ever limit it to economics? When Stirner talks about specifically economic property in “My Intercourse,” he points out that private property is also state property, not my own property, because it exists only by law, that is, by permission of the state. For myself, I own worlds. To the state, I can only own what it permits (i.e., what those who benefit from the existence of those relationships you and I call “the state” allow). When Stirner talked about property, he was talking about the worlds of experience, perception, imagination, and action that you and I take and create, devour, and destroy for ourselves. This is what you have to keep in mind if you want to understand what Stirner said about property. -Wolfi Landstreicher, translator of the Unique and Its Property
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 01:41:11 No. 590931
>>590917 Thanks, i've also found this image when digging though the booru. Can probably tell me a thing or two.
And i need to stop accidentally saging threads. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 01:48:26 No. 590951
>>590931 this is lame and spooked af lol. probably some disinformation thing
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 02:24:39 No. 590984
>>590920 >Muh anarchists can't run a nuclear plant 1.
https://libcom.org/library/i-wouldnt-want-my-anarchist-friends-be-charge-nuclear-power-station-david-harvey-anarchi 2. Marxoids can't give shit to anarchists about Nuclear power after Chernobyl.
Hell, I'm not even an Anarchist, but considering you're screeching at people in an albanian bunker building forum, you're not only just a joke, or a clown for that matter. You're the entire circus.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 02:40:55 No. 590998
>>590984 >Marxoids can't give shit to anarchists about Nuclear power after Chernobyl. why ?
Chernobil doesn't refute the criticism that anarchism has problems generating large industrial projects.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 03:23:58 No. 591048
>>590984 What about chernobyl? Or do you think an HBO series by a pair of anglos counts as a primary source?
Sabinyak 2021-11-10 (Wed) 03:27:39 No. 591060
>>591048 This just came in:
Chernobyl didn't happen
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 03:37:31 No. 591073
>>591009 >Despite the fact that industrial and agricultural output doubled under the Anarchists in the spanish civil war? Doubling agricultural output is good, but it pales in comparison to Soviet industrial capacity
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 03:52:27 No. 591122
>>591086 you're saying anarchism doesn't scale up as well ?
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 04:20:21 No. 591170
>>591073 Yeah damn, it's almost as if there were different material conditions, the USSR had a larger land-mass and access to natural resources to carry out its industrial output, and the CNT-FAI was having to fight a fucking civil war, and were subject to sabotage from their supposed "allies" (as the pdf notes). And people accused Anarchists of idealism. Leftist Tendencies aren't skill trees in HOIV. And again, the Anarchists were able to increase the Production by DOUBLE during this time. That's nothing to scoff at.
Cuba's industrial output for instance wasn't as big as the soviet unions due to different material conditions, but you won't extend the same courtesy to anarchists because you get your opinions from extremely online douchebags who get into spats online because some radlib said Stalin was redfash.
>>591048 >Chernobyl never happened because HBO made a show about it. Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 04:40:26 No. 591196
>>591170 The implication of what you are saying is that if anarchists had the same material conditions, they could have achieved equivalent results.
I do not believe that, soviet industrial power couldn't have been build with anarchist principles within the soviet territory either. Maybe there was a lost opportunity to have a division of governance, where ML do the large scale macro and Anarchists do the small scale micro.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 05:08:22 No. 591231
>>591196 And who's to say they couldn't have? I won't deny that different material conditions doesn't mean Anarchism will always be the go-to ideology, but considering people learn from mistakes and constantly develop theory (which anarchism does and continues to do) to say they can't govern a "large chunk of land" is laughable, especially when you take into consideration that the Free Territory of the Ukraine had around 7 million people living within it.
I will say this, the idea of a division of governance between MLs and Anarchists in a socialist territory could be an interesting experiment.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 05:19:53 No. 591255
>>591170 >the Anarchists were able to increase the Production by DOUBLE during this time this literally means nothing
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 05:21:40 No. 591258
>>591255 >it means nothing based on the pre-determined perametres I've made, despite the fact the answer refuted the claim that was made earlier I accept your surrender.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 05:26:46 No. 591267
>>591258 im not the other retard arguing with you retard uygha its simple I just dont give a fuck about your stupid ass anti-authoritarian bullshit
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 05:37:57 No. 591291
If anarchists managed to take over a territory and fortify themselves enough that neighboring regions wouldn't try to take control then they would have to make treaties and trade deals with those neighbors, meaning they would have to enforce political borders, choose delegates to serve as political figureheads and ambassadors to other countries and establish an enforced regime of commodity production and exchange. I don't see how Anarchism In One Country could end up much different than Socialism In One Country in any sense but the ideological chicanery used to justify the form of state capitalism which would inevitably be developed.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 05:39:19 No. 591296
>>591281 was hoping to see some cool bank robber and bandit shit but I get people like you who argue over nothing
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 06:21:57 No. 591382
>>590920 The MLoid solution:
idk bro let's just rehire whatever generals, officers, managers from the old regime we can find that are opportunistic enough to pretend to agree with us. We'll give them a new uniform, apend People's to their title and call it a day. What could go wrong?
eugenics-kun 2021-11-10 (Wed) 06:36:31 No. 591410
Anarchism is the gayest position that always argues in bad faith and can't deal with anything other than pretenses and mystifications. There is nothing there to salvage whatsoever.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 06:38:54 No. 591418
>>591410 >he says as he argues in bad faith k
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 07:35:29 No. 591511
>>590920 There were anarchist train lines so why not airport (other than climate concerns)?
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 08:19:21 No. 591548
>>591511 For domestic flights yeah, if you have all the needed MoP at your disposal there's no good reason why horizontal self-management wouldn't work, but good luck getting the ok to flyover or land in a hostile area, meaning any area controlled by a bourgeois state if you don't plan on turning your back on the rest of the global class and shaking hands with the enemy. The capitalist world will not just give in when they see how nice things are going in the Free Territory.
Anarchists, I sincerely wish you would prove me wrong. Please explain how Anarchism In One Country will sustain and protect itself while avoiding resorting to some sort of self-managed capitalism or Libertarian Titoism at best.
Sabinyak 2021-11-10 (Wed) 09:38:05 No. 591626
>>591122 not under attack on all fronts, in considerably smaller countries, but we still managed to raise multiple divisions with the Brigadas Internacionales to shit against literally every fascist front
maybe if the trots and MLs hadn't been either rolling every autonomous commune or eating lasagna to death we would've had more of a chance against a mass bombing against a considerably smaller country
>>591291 maybe if we weren't limited to small communes in smaller countries with limited resources
here's the problem, selling communism is hard
now try selling autonomous communism
Lenin didn't really mind working with us
in the words of Lenin; "the peasants from your area are infected with anarchism." Makhno responded: "Do you think that is bad?" Lenin replied: "I did not say that. On the contrary, it may be to the good, for it would speed up the victory of communism over capital and its authority." Anarchism hate is either Trotsky's fault or "ancrap" lolberts fault
i don't think that states are inherently "bad" (mostly because i don't believe in things being "bad" or "states" for that matter)
i just think Autonomy is way more effective when trying to educate and have a natural social transition
and if some people want to have periods working on cities managed by a bunch of bureaucrats, whatever, hell i might do so as long as i can work in something i want, like trains but after a while i have to go back to the commune and work in other stuff i like, like bread and animal shelters.
but also
>>591296 anarchist direct action and chaos are a important part of any revolution
you can't just wait for the ruling class to eventually give up the power to the people just because they're playing by the "rules"
which means i get to set shit on fire, stealing and engaging in some good old ultraviolence.
smuggling, rioting, fascist bashing, piracy, drugs, sabotage, occult warfare, and also guerrilla warfare; meaning molotovs and weapons don't grow on trees, and if you want a revolution you bet you'll need smugglers and other criminals to provide these.
>>591548 >>591511 if the cartel can get armored trucks so can a organized commune
at least as long as we have access to the resources
also, stealing is always an option
even if i don't like the cartel there sure is a lot that can be learned from their organization (except for the druglord hierarchies) (and turning people into soup… maybe)
you have to keep in mind that most leftist movements in south and central america have stayed alive for their cooperation with cartels since the times of Pablo Escobar
i'm talking the prison complex being pretty much under the criminals control already
underestimating the lumpenproletariat is the biggest mistake any self proclaimed leftist can do
also violence really makes me horny and animal shelters and baking bread soothes my soul
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 10:02:45 No. 591642
>>591626 >we still managed to raise multiple divisions you must be really old if you were involved in the Brigadas Internacionales
>maybe if the trots and MLs hadn't blaming the circumstances does not lend credence to your claim that Anarchism is viable. MLs didn't complain about fascism they just crushed it, mercilessly.
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 10:10:00 No. 591652
>>591626 >we still managed to raise multiple divisions with the Brigadas Internacionales These were literally anti-revolutionary units controlled by Stalin. The Anarchists didn't have separate divisions for foreigners.
>here's the problem, selling communism is hard >now try selling autonomous communism This is what the bolsheviks did by adopting the anarchist slogan "All power to the soviets!" (Read Maximov).
>Lenin didn't really mind working with us Lenin was gaslighting bro read "The tax in kind"
>even if i don't like the cartel there sure is a lot that can be learned from their organization Cartels are not lumpen they are bourgeois firms
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 14:44:29 No. 591871
>sectarian shittery
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 16:54:08 No. 592082
>>591548 I don't think there's any anarchist whose goal is "anarchism in one country".
Sabinyak 2021-11-10 (Wed) 19:34:30 No. 592450
>>591642 my soul is older than that :trollge:
ah yes, crushing fascism, one lasagna at a time.
>>591652 we literally had a bunch of "columnas" that ranged from basque's italians and spanish
manipulate mansplain malewife
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 19:59:38 No. 592510
>>592450 > :trollge: what the hell
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 22:52:50 No. 592889
>>592510 Typical namefag behaviour: when that effortpost screams "I'm a pseud", go full schizo and pray for simpathy
Anonymous 2021-11-11 (Thu) 15:52:00 No. 593982
>>593964 >>592450 Anon. Nobody can understand what you're saying or why you've chosen this thread to shit up. Meds.
Anonymous 2021-11-11 (Thu) 18:33:48 No. 594234
>>593964 I like the glasses.
Anonymous 2021-11-11 (Thu) 22:16:22 No. 594473
>>533765 How is this a contradiction? The state can be transformed into a workers state and be used to stop bourgeois elements just as the original state stop proletariat elements, which in turn can allow it to transform into a stateless society without being stopped.
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 03:29:13 No. 595930
>>594473 Marxism-Leninism is an autistic ideology that is only held up by because of its nationalistic nostalgia, it has never succeeded in bringing Communism and only succeeded in basically formenting massive social democracy with nationalization of capital (and states ≠ people)
Lenin was fascinated with Otto Von Bismarck's "state socialism" (welfare state with very limited worker control) which was made to curb actual worker-ran socialism in the country at the time, he somehow confused this with worker-ran socialism and the rest is history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany) What makes a "worker's state" different than a regular bourgeois state? You still maintain the same power relations and hierarchical social structure.
This disagreement is fundamentally because Anarchists and Marxists have different views of the state, Marxists tend to not take power relations into account while Anarchists do. As history has shown over the ages, the state, as a power structure, will never destroy itself, it will perpetuate it's own power onto the proletariat to bend them to their will, and they will never be liberated.
Look at current examples of "Actually Existing Socialism", arrogantly said by that retard Parenti, they will never move to Communism, they like both state control, and liberal market reforms. They were born in, and will die in the throes of their own contradictory schizo-logic ideology.
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 07:02:34 No. 596053
>>595930 I think you haven't reckoned with the fact that MLs were mostly correct and Anarchist were mostly wrong, which is born out by history of ML systems having been wildly successful, while Anarchist system are just a few blips here and there.
You probably could make valuable contributions in the form of constructive criticizing ML systems from an Anarchist perspective, but you are just busy fighting a pointless sectarian battle. Why don't you consider what aspects of Anarchism could be added to an ML system to make it better. Think of it as a ML operating system that gets anarchist plugins to add features that it lacked.
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 19:38:39 No. 596435
>>473015 what of us anarchists who view marxist leninist revolution as complementary to their goals?
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 19:50:05 No. 596447
>>565625 Mirroring what another user said, cyberwar is the future. You could be like the hackers that leaked the identities of the Azeribaijani navy, and under the lack of legislation in national and international law, hacking can often be a grey area as long as you're hitting private individuals/domestic corporations in countries that are not your own. Avoid national institutions, theft, or the state though, but keep all that in mind. The real benefit of hacking is the information gained from successful efforts rather then physical results like the 1992 Lithuanian Nuclear Cyber attack by Oleg Savchuk.
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 19:55:54 No. 596454
>>596447 >cyberwar is the future. Nope. Nonsence. It has got us nowhere significant.
Marginal tactic at best and even to be that it must undergo an extreme paradigm shift and move out of the hands of the same <50 individuals, which I dont see happening.
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 19:59:47 No. 596460
>>596454 People are gonna get shot up by hacked drones because the US cybersecurity is an absolute mess right now
Anonymous 2021-11-14 (Sun) 15:38:06 No. 597525
>>596454 Please explain how the trade has not advanced since Oleg Savchuk's cyberattack at Ignalia Nuclear Power Plant in 1992.
Anonymous 2021-11-14 (Sun) 15:40:51 No. 597526
>>596460 Perhaps in the decades to come, but outside military institutions semi-autonomous weapons systems are not presently used.
Anonymous 2021-11-16 (Tue) 02:58:46 No. 600211
>>590920 >ancaps being autistic in a video anarchism destroyed
Sabinyak 2021-11-16 (Tue) 03:15:11 No. 600251
>>600211 >>590920 SHRIGMA GRINDSET
KILL COPS LET A NUCLEAR FIRE CONSUME CAPITALIST INFRASTRUCTURE MAKE FOOD FOR EVERYONE SHRIGMA GRINDSET ACHIEVED
Anonymous 2021-11-16 (Tue) 03:40:01 No. 600292
>>595930 > What makes a "worker's state" different than a regular bourgeois state? You still maintain the same power relations and hierarchical social structure. You can avoid this by:
1) Seize the means of production
2) Pay politicians the same as the average worker and remove chances of corruption
The bigger problem was the usage of one state socialism.
Lenin was fascinated with Otto Von Bismarck's "state socialism" (welfare state with very limited worker control) which was made to curb actual worker-ran socialism in the country at the time, he somehow confused this with worker-ran socialism and the rest is history.
He never did though. His idea of socialism was means of production with full democracy and making the workers work every position to get an idea of what they need to do. He didn't advocate for a welfare state, it's clear even by the phrase, from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”
They're doing liberal market reforms to survive in this world, the unnecessary collapse of the soviet union is going to mess up the push for communism.
Anonymous 2021-11-18 (Thu) 11:17:26 No. 603800
boomp.
Anonymous 2021-11-18 (Thu) 16:41:06 No. 604036
One argument that MLs make against anarchism that really confuses me is that anarchists supposedly have no way of "defending the revolution". Correct me if I'm wrong, but to overthrow the government and achieve anarchism in the first place, one has to use a lot of force of violence or whatever, right? And effort. So after spending all that effort, all that organization, all that time and planning, why would anarchists let an outside force install a new dictatorship? Do MLs believe that as soon as a foreign country is involved anarchists will be like "yep, pack it in boys, we may have lost countless lives trying to gain freedom, but according to our anarchist principles we cant fight against foreign troops, that's the way the cookie crumbles"? So in short, the answer to the question of "how are anarchists going to defend the revolution" is "the same way they brought it about in the first place." To quote my man Malatesta,>They seem almost to believe that after having brought down government and private property we would allow both to be quietly built up again, because of respect for the freedom of those who might feel the need to be rulers and property owners. A truly curious way of interpreting our ideas
Sabinyak 2021-11-19 (Fri) 01:15:36 No. 604852
>>604036 to quote my bitch and personal role model Anarchy Panty;
''I know you know…
These wings inside of you
I know you know…
They do get naughty too
Before I go…
There's something I wanna say
Your sleepy anarchy…
Wake it up! Wake it up!''
Anonymous 2021-11-19 (Fri) 02:55:11 No. 605015
>>604852 but i 2 sleepiez …… zzzzzz ;3
Anonymous 2021-11-19 (Fri) 03:12:36 No. 605033
>>605019 Except I unironically understandd anarchism better than most anarchists.
I suggest you read Bookchin after Marx and Lenin, and become a chad Libertarian Stalinist like myself.
Anonymous 2021-11-19 (Fri) 05:44:18 No. 605108
>>605033 Chairman Apo approves this post
Anonymous 2021-11-19 (Fri) 05:50:28 No. 605112
>>604036 >Correct me if I'm wrong, but to overthrow the government and achieve anarchism in the first place, one has to use a lot of force of violence or whatever, right? And effort. So after spending all that effort, all that organization, all that time and planning, why would anarchists let an outside force install a new dictatorship? Because they cannot be anarchists if they unite, and they cannot secure a revolution if they do not.
Stop thinking like a statist.
Sabinyak 2021-11-19 (Fri) 05:54:27 No. 605113
>>605033 hey who told you you could make meme ideologies?
if you ain't grindin' doomsday anarchism with mao-escobarist characteristics then you're playing the wrong game
which means you need to play New Vegas
with 600+ mods
Anonymous 2021-11-20 (Sat) 23:16:37 No. 609171
http://www.biblioatom.ru/ How anarchist society under siege do dis?
Anonymous 2021-11-20 (Sat) 23:18:15 No. 609176
>>605033 This.
Bookchin makes the best critique of both Anarchism and ML I've ever come across
Anonymous 2021-11-21 (Sun) 15:56:27 No. 610030
Taking back birds for symbols of freedom!
Anonymous 2021-11-21 (Sun) 16:56:02 No. 610106
>>610030 Riseup.org do this
Anonymous 2021-11-23 (Tue) 16:17:13 No. 613660
>>608573 > Among polite people, rules are established indirectly. This is even true when the rules allow a great deal of physical violence. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out exactly how the process worked while I was involved in direct action campaigns in America in 2000, 2001. Street actions often took the form of something very much like urban warfare, with each side, activists and cops, trying to scout the other side’s deployments, overwhelm their positions, outflank or outmanoeuver one another, and so forth. Always, in direct action, there are tacit rules of engagement: what kind of weapons and tactics can be used by each side. Activists can’t engage in overt violence; police can’t actually do anything likely to kill anyone, etc. Occasionally—very occasionally—the rules could be worked out directly, by negotiation. This used to be true in Italy in the days of the Tute Bianche, most of whose leadership, I’m given to understand, had contacts with people on the other side, mostly kids they’d known in grade school who had the misfortune of becoming policemen. So the Tute Bianche would put on these giant goofy padded outfits—so they were essentially like cartoon characters, lumbering, ungainly, but indestructible—and they’d call the cops and say “Okay so you can hit us as hard as you like, as long as you just hit us on the padding. We won’t hit you. We’ll just try to crash through the barricades. Let’s see who wins!” And the cops played along. For the most part. Some of my Italian friends told me that despite the fact the activists were famous for wrapping themselves in inflatable inner tubes, for the first couple years, none of the police even brought a pin. But then came the G8 in Genoa, and a fascist, Fini, was put in charge of the police operation, and the activists knew something terrible was about to happen because suddenly the cops wouldn’t pick up the phone. wtf is this true lmao
🤔🤔🤔
Anonymous 2021-11-23 (Tue) 19:24:55 No. 613931
>>610030 I actually don’t know why no one has adopted penguins as their emblematic bird.
They’re a vey resilient species.
Anonymous 2021-11-24 (Wed) 15:26:53 No. 615388
>>610140 >Do you mean this? https://riseup.net/en/about-us Yes. Exactly this. Did you not previously know of rise up?
Good service but probably infiltrated. Just use with caution and do not rely on.
Anonymous 2021-11-24 (Wed) 15:47:45 No. 615412
>>615388 Why Riseup in particular?
I assume every VPN service is "infiltrated"
Rule of thumb: don't do illegal shit online if you don't know what you're doing. If you don't know if you don't know, you don't know.
Anonymous 2021-11-24 (Wed) 16:45:13 No. 615461
>>615412 >Why Riseup in particular? Because the heavy emphasis on radical politics. Naive to think random VPN would face same level of covert infiltration as a well known radical service with connections to irl movements and a tone.
Anonymous 2021-11-25 (Thu) 02:48:34 No. 616222
>>614050 Linux is pretty based, in terms of running off decent open-source principles of freedom
Anonymous 2021-11-25 (Thu) 18:26:52 No. 616936
>>608573 I finished reading this, it was a pretty nice and enjoyable book. I especially liked the parts about bullies, the rules of engagement and opinions. Great book!
Anonymous 2021-11-27 (Sat) 21:04:25 No. 620451
Is there some active anarchist forum somewhere where I can talk to anarchist anonymously or is this thread the whole of anonymous anarchism online?
Anonymous 2021-11-28 (Sun) 16:54:03 No. 621980
>>620451 We have not our own board atm. I have not made one because other anons keep saying they'll do it. I'd like an anokchan 2.0 though.
There is irc, try anarchyplanet, and lots use mastadon.
Anonymous 2021-11-28 (Sun) 17:19:10 No. 621992
>>621980 >I have not made one because other anons keep saying they'll do it take initiative. btw a-chan could be a cool name
Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 14:21:30 No. 622938
>>621992 I cant afford to rent a vps currently but maybe in the future. :)
Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 14:33:33 No. 622944
>>622941 Thanks, very, yea. Hopefully soon, actually setting it all up after buying vps is trivial. My main worry is keeping it active and the hassle of board moderation. Personally I am far more comfortable administering systems than humans, so I guess what's most in demand is mods and people willing to create a vibrant active space.
Anonymous 2021-12-02 (Thu) 19:23:08 No. 627249
Anti-slide bump
Anonymous 2021-12-09 (Thu) 07:31:02 No. 637487
bump
Anonymous 2021-12-09 (Thu) 15:12:15 No. 637717
Bros, what are the chances the fire cells conspiracy grows to become a major thing in the world? How do we help them get their message across?
Sabinyak 2021-12-09 (Thu) 19:24:26 No. 638025
>>637717 do we have to?
i mean i wouldn't mind but in the current political climate i'm a bit skeptic about certain movements
like the Mexican TAS
their whole manifesto stinks of SIEGEtards and it glows like the CIA wignats
Anonymous 2021-12-09 (Thu) 19:55:18 No. 638084
>>637717 >Bros, what are the chances the fire cells conspiracy grows to become a major thing in the world? How do you mean, they are already a major thing.
>How do we help them get their message across? Print The Sun Still Rises, print over texts and zines, do translation work. Write about them for your radical publications, do a reading group with your local milieu of their texts.
All the normal stuff rly anon.
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 17:52:17 No. 641228
> thead dead > /dead/ dead
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 21:59:13 No. 641524
anarchism defend against capitalism
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 12:41:39 No. 642350
>>637717 >>638025 >>638084 their manifesto is extremely lame and they've been irrelevant for over a decade now
>>641228 wyd
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 16:31:10 No. 642493
>>641228 What do you want to talk about, anon?
>>642350 >their manifesto is extremely lame and they've been irrelevant for over a decade now I disagree. We can look to the SPF in part for continued popularity with the FAI-FRI and with these 'Direct Action Cells' coming out of Greece currently.
What about their writing do you think is lame, anon?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 17:41:51 No. 642548
>>642493 just the politically dogmatic prose and word choices, empty sentiments, the usual stuff
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 22:43:22 No. 644361
>>642493 I don't want to talk anymore, I just want to listen to you.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:03:20 No. 649743
>>622944 are you still there?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:09:34 No. 649748
>>649743 Yes. Life is crazy right now and i have zero money. After xmas if nobody else has still bothered.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 05:53:59 No. 650520
>>650474 Holy shit that's really fucking bad. I hope the rest of the NA scene can step in to save an important part of their milieu. :(
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:56:53 No. 650738
>>650474 Well that's unfortunate. Hope the best.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 11:46:47 No. 650952
>>650474 How did that happen?
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 07:11:45 No. 652127
>>649748 gonna play around with vichan (or the lainchan fork) on a VPS soon, and might put it up as a legit imageboard
Anonymous ## Developer 2021-12-19 (Sun) 07:15:58 No. 652131
>>652127 >lainchan fork That is a very bad idea.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 07:41:24 No. 652158
>>652131 yeah, either wakaba or vichan, really
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 07:47:16 No. 652159
>>652158 I can't speak for jschan/lynxchan, but wakaba and vichan are tried and battle-tested. Never worded with wakaba or futaba or etc. Code quality of vichan is kind of shit (hacky in parts, almost no commenting, but workable).
Lainchan is a dead fork of vichan (which is basically dead/maintainence too, but at least more alive than lainchan). Our fork (see the git link in the top bar) is on top of lainchan so I wouldn't particularly recommend using it, but sampling code would usually work.
Definitely ask around; find admins of IBs and ask why they chose theirs and what they hate most about it.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 13:06:33 No. 652386
>>652159 >find admins of IBs yea thats gonna be a lil hard, almost all of em are gone
i'm gonna play around with wakaba since it just werks and isn't PHP
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 16:08:53 No. 652609
>>615412 Riseup is shit if you are doing anything illegal. They have stated that they will turn over evidence of criminal activity iirc. If true, they are a fucking joke.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 16:10:07 No. 652610
What ever happened to the new /dead/?
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 17:02:15 No. 652697
>>652609 Their rules also make it clear that they read your emails. That's the only way they could ever enforce them.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 18:09:47 No. 652744
>>473001 >>473043 Anyone got Baedan?
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 18:26:24 No. 652762
>>652609 >>652697 t. No riseup account
>Your e-mails are encrypted individually on our servers, and can only be unlocked and read using your password. This means that Riseup does not have the ability to read your stored emails. Encryption of incoming email is automatic, and only when you login does the mail become decrypted so it can be read. This takes place on the server, which then becomes temporarily trusted while you are authenticated. Because of this feature, your password is critical to your data. If you lose your password, and recovery code, you will not be able to access your account, nor will anyone be able to decrypt your emails. For technical details, see the TREES project. Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 18:33:13 No. 652768
>>652697 >That's the only way they could ever enforce them. Every sent email has a recipient. Any recipient can report an email.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 19:00:39 No. 652788
>>652747 >>652751 Thanks. Nihilism is cringe but I'm morbidly curious about edgy queer stuff.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 19:06:07 No. 652798
>>652788 there's a third issue. you can order all of them off of little black cart or some other distro if you want
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 19:54:31 No. 652880
https://scribe.rip/schizmogenesis-755bbb6a8515 Cory Doctorow about Graeber's new book and how fed-hating progressives came to love the FBI.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 19:55:55 No. 652884
>>652880 that web design is terrible
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 19:58:11 No. 652887
>>652884 What web design? It's just text.
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 20:11:19 No. 652910
>>652798 Don't wanna give money to LBC after Atassa
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 20:15:49 No. 652922
>>652910 what happened
>>652887 yeah, that's web design
i've just seen it in a lot of edgy blog type websites lately, it's awful for reading, looks and feels like some css glitch or something
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 20:18:42 No. 652929
>>652922 It's a frontend for medium that removes the fluff and makes it actually readable. This is the original:
https://doctorow.medium.com/schizmogenesis-755bbb6a8515 Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 20:19:59 No. 652933
>>652929 yeah, makes sense
it's just a rant about conservative TV and whatever online political trend they happened to notice, not an actual book review
Anonymous 2021-12-19 (Sun) 23:02:08 No. 653150
>>652922 Little Black Cart publishes the journal of Individuals Tending Towards the Wild, a nihilistic anprim group that has committed random terror against civilians including bombing, rapes and kidnappings.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 10:10:29 No. 653791
>>653150 rapes? as for bombing and kidnapping random engineers and students, literally who cares
Sabinyak 2021-12-20 (Mon) 10:17:21 No. 653792
>>653150 >>653791 it was students from a public university
it sucks enough that public universities here are utter shit and won't fucking admit anyone, they could had bombed literally anyone else.
but the real question is, why would you trust crypto wignats disguised as anarchists either way?
it stinks of feds all the way here.
i mean it helps i'm a bit closer to them but it still stinks.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 10:54:57 No. 653808
>>653792 Didn't they abandon anarchism and now just describe themselves as "eco-extremists"?
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 16:50:39 No. 654101
>>653808 Yeah but they're not even really greens, just nihilists. If you read their communiques they say they think the planet is doomed so they're just lashing out at literally everyone for revenge they know is pointless. Lots of weirdo shit about Aztec gods too. Like the other guy said, it stinks of feds.
>>653791 Rapes. Bombing random working class people is bad, that seems like it should be about the most uncontroversial stance to take on a leftist board.
Sabinyak 2021-12-20 (Mon) 21:03:23 No. 654404
>>653808 >>654101 they did, like i said they're just crypto wignats
everyone agrees their whole beliefs and manifesto is just a SIEGE copypasta
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 21:27:48 No. 654430
>>652697 Why are you making up lies you dishonest little cunt?
>>652910 >unironically being one of the anti-LBC crowd becuase of atassa. cry moar zoomer. Honestly you anarcho-moralists are the worst. It was expected from the social-anarchist crowd but the fact that this shit is echoed all over the black anarchy mileiu is a damning indictment that nothing good can or will ever happen in North America. Aragorn! and crew have done more for anarchy on that continent period than everyone on this boad combined, to try to cancel them and sad attempts at physical confrontation at them for publishing something you dont like is beyond pathetic. KYS
>>653150 >Little Black Cart publishes the journal of Individuals Tending Towards the Wild, a nihilistic anprim group that has committed random terror against civilians including bombing, rapes and kidnappings. Filthy dirty little liar:
Nobody involved in Atassa are a part of ITS/RS.
ITS/RS are neither 'anprim' nor anarcho-nihilist.
ITS/RS never even made claims to kidnappings nor rapes.
You cannot get away with your filthy lies here, anon. This is a space where you cannot rely on attempts at character assasination and collective bullying.. So yea you're shit out of luck, fuck off back to fedbook with that.
>>654404 >everyone agrees their whole beliefs and manifesto is just a SIEGE copypasta You're retarded and getting it backwards. SIEGE is a re-packaging of 90's emergent anarchist strategy for the white nationalist crowd.. did you even read it? There are lots of critiques of ITS from all over the place but this an't it.
>>653791 >s for bombing and kidnapping random engineers and students, literally who cares Nobody until ITS does it apparently. Anarchists, including anarchists in Mexico, Chile and Brazil have been doing these same thins for a long time under various banners with not half the criticism ITS got for the same actions. It's opportunist nonsense.
Fags hypocritically attacking the same old techniques when eco-extreemists do it are either to dumb to understand that only hurt the anarchist scene in the long run or literal feds in our milieus trying to attack things like Black Anarchy, FAI and the new anarchist urban guerrilla through the backdoor via ITS.
>>654422 I'm sorry, is this supposed to be funny? What does this have to do with anarchism anon?
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:36:03 No. 654542
>>654430 >I'm sorry, is this supposed to be funny? What does this have to do with anarchism anon? mr. fed concern troll man can't comprehend a meme, surprising no one
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:51:00 No. 654555
>>472982 If your meme has paragraphs it isn't a good meme, don't post it.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:53:22 No. 654562
>>654542 >muh fed muh concerned muh troll Anon? your meme is some zoomer being almost as incoherent as your post in front of a camera. I'm not sure why you'd be so aggressive when someone inevitably asks what this has to do with anything..
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 03:26:35 No. 654915
>>654430 >if you're not okay with people promoting a group that rapes, bombs and murders working class people you're a fake anarchist Go back to telegram already. LBC are either some of the vilest people in American leftist politics or they're fucking feds. Either way it's them and you who should kys
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 03:28:35 No. 654919
>>654430 Also Atassa allegedly had links to Tempel ov Blood so the people ITT saying they're crypto wignats could be way more right than they know.
Sabinyak 2021-12-21 (Tue) 05:08:00 No. 654982
>>654919 all the opposite, i want to think i'm wrong but i know the people who spoon fed them their aesthetics…
and i'm afraid i might have something to do with that; at least to a certain degree.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 06:50:15 No. 655064
>>654919 >Also Atassa allegedly had links to Tempel ov Blood Source? Who that was part of Attassa, exactly? Art? Sean? Who? LBC peope? Oh, you just made it up didn't you. Go back to making things up about your streamers in ITG, that at least you can get away with without question.
>>654915 >LBC >Leftists Proven you have no idea what you're talking about. Idiot.
The LBC crowd have done more for Anarchy in America than you ever have and ever will. Cope.
>>654980 You would not even have the Wofi translation of Stirner if it wasn't for LBC. big lmao lmao lmao.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 07:11:58 No. 655070
Administrator of the anarchist contra-info website 325.nostate.net had his charges of terrorism dropped but sentenced to 3 years for dealing of cannabis, mushrooms and LSD under 'Operation Adream'. Attacks against anarchist infrastructure seem to be picking up pace europe wide.
This may seem like a bad thing but it is positive in that it has at least avoided setting a trend around terror charges for contra-info websites.
https://enoughisenough14.org/2021/09/22/the-situation-of-toby-shone-operation-adream-325/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/anarchist-terror-case-gloucestershire-dropped-b1937594.html https://darknights.noblogs.org/post/tag/operation-adream/ Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 08:51:03 No. 655114
>>655064 >Source? Who that was part of Attassa, exactly? Art? Sean? Who? LBC peope? Oh, you just made it up didn't you. Go back to making things up about your streamers in ITG, that at least you can get away with without question. Check Jake Hanrahan's twitter
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 11:04:28 No. 655172
>>655114 I can't find anything.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 11:43:11 No. 655193
>>655172 It was from years back, around 2017 or 18 iirc. Cba to find it again but it's there. If I wanted to make something up about ITS I'd just call them feds but I don't think we have enough proof to say they are. Rapacious nihilists who murder random workers or feds isn't much better though.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 11:54:46 No. 655196
>>655193 >muh workers leave this thread
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 19:14:57 No. 655720
>>655196 >fuck the working class, the only thing that matters is being an edgelord who commits random violence to feel powerful Nihilists make me wish I believed in gulags
Sabinyak 2021-12-21 (Tue) 19:21:33 No. 655730
>>655720 what about voluntary femdom gulags?
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 00:56:12 No. 658385
>>658338 fam traditional gender/family roles is about people not being able to choose….
if you chose to play-act trad family shit, as an anarchist, no one's gonna care from a feminist perspective, maybe from youth lib perspective but like most people accept that its not as simple as "women oppressed by structure", as they also choose and uphold it often.
like imo its stupid, and basically a role-play, but theres nothing bad about that when its all informed and well-thought. Anyways anarchism isnt about prohibitions, its about individual empowerment and critical thinking/radical understanding of your situation.
people will probably laugh at you though. i would
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 01:13:14 No. 658404
>>658388 Why am i a retard?
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 01:14:43 No. 658406
>>658388 >Can you be an anarchist and still practice traditional gender roles? You can't become a progressive person if you still adhere to conservative values.
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 01:16:47 No. 658409
>>658385 Why would you laugh?
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 01:20:15 No. 658416
>>658406 What about the "Anarchy is when i do whatever i want" doesn't that include not being progressive?
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 01:52:09 No. 658465
>>658338 >Can you be an anarchist and still practice traditional gender roles? Well that honestly depends. Not every single anarchist/ libertarian communist experiment will look the same as there are different cultural contexts and backgrounds to some of these movements, be it Magonism or Anarkata. So wether people CHOOSE to have traditional gender roles is really up in the air.
If you are to have these "traditional gender roles" they are likely to either
1. have a different function under anarchism as opposed to capitalism
2. Would be born out of consent as opposed to coersion
3. Said traditional gender roles, much like polyamorous relationships, aren't exactly going to be the norm. As social structures change, as to will relationships. But again, this depends on the material conditions you find yourself in, and the type of anarchists who have founded this new society.
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 02:03:20 No. 658479
>>658416 >Anarchy is when I do whatever I want This implies that every Anarchist is either some edgy egoist or G.G Allen.
Sure Anarchism does talk of positive freedoms as in "freedom to", but not at the expense of another individual or the community. You denying a persons autonomy robs them of the chance to either contribute to the community as a whole or to develop as a person.
Like seriously, how would you feel if your spouse wanted you to dress up like a cat-maid and only allowed you to have sex via strap on?
now to some I'm sure thats ok, provided you consent to it I imagine if you didn't consent to it, you wouldn't go for it/ do it or feel comfortable continuing that relationship.
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 02:28:25 No. 658493
>>658479 >Sure Anarchism does talk of positive freedoms as in "freedom to", but not at the expense of another individual or the community. I hear this from anarchists but where does this value come from, is there specific literature that talks about the freedom without taking someone's freedom away?
>You denying a persons autonomy robs them of the chance to either contribute to the community as a whole or to develop as a person If they don't want to be my house wife than i respect their choice and they can find someone who they can better connect with. I don't understand how Traditional family roles are "not able to be chosen" (unless it's a really abusive example) when the woman can just leave and choose someone else, maybe a man who is a house husband? Am i wrong in seeing that as respect for their freewill? I believe that you can't have love without freewill and forcing someone to be my wife is abusive and dangerous.
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 02:39:13 No. 658503
>>658493 >I hear this from anarchists but where does this value come from, is there specific literature that talks about the freedom without taking someone's freedom away? It can come from anyone ranging from Kropotkin or Goldman, but if you want something to turn to, I'd recommend Malatestas "method of freedom".
https://libcom.org/files/Errico_Malatesta_Davide_Turcato_Paul_Sharkey-The_m.pdf social reorganisation, and right away, at the very same moment that the old
structures are being swept away, and we shall have a more humane and more just
society, open to future advances; or we shall leave such matters to the “leaders”
and we shall have a new government; and this will do exactly what governments
have always done—make the masses pay for the limited and bad services it
provides, taking away their freedom while allowing the parasites and the
privileged of all stripes the freedom to exploit them by every means.
communications, relations between anarchist groups and those who retain a
belief in authority, between communist collectives and individualists, between
the city and the countryside. We must make sure to use to our advantage the
forces of nature and raw materials, and that we attend to industrial and
agricultural distribution—according to the conditions prevailing at the time in
the various different countries—public education, childcare and care for the
handicapped, health and medical services, protection both against common
criminals and those, more insidious, who continue to attempt to suppress the
freedom of others in the interests of individuals and parties, etc.
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 02:43:11 No. 658510
>>658338 Traditional gender roles tend to happen regardless of whatever system people live in, even in a completely free society. Anarchism doesn't magically put an extra 80 pounds of muscle on a woman, for example.
Sabinyak 2021-12-24 (Fri) 02:57:05 No. 658529
>>658338 What even is a "traditional family" structure? lmao
of course we don't expect everyone to be gay what are you even on about?
>>658510 Don't you dare say that again! specially in front of the kids.
You know how much they love tomboys!
stop breaking their heart, you monster!
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 03:44:52 No. 658557
>>658510 The fuck do you even mean by a traditional family structure?
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 04:13:42 No. 658583
>>658557 Not him, but the most common answer would be a cis heterosexual married man and woman, like the nuclear family. Even though you can find different kinds of families that are older and therefor more traditional.
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 04:27:17 No. 658594
>>658583 "traditional" doesn't mean anything. it's just a myth used to pretend that stuff that never existed until recently actually existed since the beginning of time
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 05:38:13 No. 658647
>>658641 wtf is this random buzzfeed rip-off and what does it have to do with my reply
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 05:40:31 No. 658650
>>658647 >wtf is this random buzzfeed rip-off and what does it have to do with my reply Monogamy has existed before people so basically since the beginning of time as far as humans are concerned.
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 05:46:24 No. 658659
>>658650 does thinking about bussy get your penis tingly
Anonymous 2021-12-29 (Wed) 16:35:32 No. 665757
any of you have any resources on anarchist literature distribution
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