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 No.476914

I guess /leftypol/ hasn't had any threads revolving around parenting yet.
Discuss everything related to this topic here!
Starting questions:
>How does parenting affect someone's political views?
>Do people who grew up strict usually end up conservative?

 No.476916

>>476914
I don't think strictness has any effect on politics, but religiosity does, people who grow up religious tend to remain religious or return to religion in adulthood.

 No.476917

>>476914
Is that fucking O.J. Simpson?

 No.476921

>>476917
IDK, I've just searched upon tons of parenting pics and chose this randomly…

 No.476928

>>476914
>I guess /leftypol/ hasn't had any threads revolving around parenting yet
You have to have sex before you can think about parenting anon. /leftypol/ isn't quite so advanced in the former though…

 No.476932

>How does parenting affect someone's political views?

I would expect it to make people (and other social animals) less radical. Those invested in the current order have an interest in seeing it continue. Even a goal which would make their children better off has to be weighed against the uncertainty of struggle.

 No.476935

How many of us are parents? We have some old heads here that might fit the bill, but certainly not myself.

 No.476959

On a general basis parenting only does the following
>it allows children to be kept in safe conditions where their needs are met for a set period of time
>it allows the parent or guardian to encourage the child to work a professional job or at the very least prevent or delay the child from contracting a mental illness
Outside of that it's pretty useless for much else, for any other questions about the child's political views, Faith's, friends well that's all on the child's own personal decisions once they leave the home as the brain never actually stops developing as you age and likewise people constantly learn new things and develop different habits

 No.476968

>>476914
>I guess /leftypol/ hasn't had any threads revolving around parenting yet
I don't know how new are you, but i distinctly remember a thread about parents happening not so long ago. It was weird. I think the whole thing started on the /usapol/ general and than degenerated so much that a new thread had to be created. If remember correctly the topic was not parenting per se but if one should neglet or not bad parents. Some anons went absolutely mad about this, with people fouriously throwing shit at each other with utter hate. Surreal.
Does some other anon remember that?

 No.477217

Putting a child in this world is the most unspeakable of crimes, for not only are the horrors that shall be experienced by the child - your own flesh and blood - on your head, but also any and all atrocities that the child and its children will inflict upon the world.

Do you love your child? Then make sure it never is born.

 No.477243

>>477217
Consider committing suicide but before that sterilize yourself

 No.477250

>>477217
Based antinatalist gang

 No.477262

>>476914
Too many parents have the parenting style of "do as I say, not as I do". Parents will tell their kids not to play video games (for example) while they themselves watch TV, rather than taking their kids out to nature and giving them options other than playing video games.

To raise a child one must first acquire the habits they want the child to have. If the child sees their parents reading, or if the child is read to before they can read themselves, chances are they will take up reading. If the parents lead an active lifestyle of exercise, hiking, going out to nature, then the child will also pick up those interests. Children learn by watching adults and then copying them. This isn't true only for humans, but for all animals.

Regarding political views, most children will just absorb what their parents tell them. If critical thinking skills aren't developed in the child, chances are they will hold beliefs they were taught as a young age. Controversial, but it is a good example, is the attitude towards trans people. People say "there are only two genders, that's what they taught me in third grade biology class!" but they do not understand that our understanding of the world and people changes over time.

If you want to raise good people (not good children), you will teach them to be curious, to be critical thinkers and to be thirsty for knowledge. With that, all the "right" beliefs and attitudes will follow. And if the kid turns out to be a capitalist, well, tough luck, you shouldn't beat yourself up about it because you did all you can. Indoctrination, hiding of information and prohibiting certain avenues of inquiry is a shitty thing to do.

 No.477268

How would any of you anons go about raising your children to be socialists or at least sufficiently materialist and class conscious? I don't hate the idea of having kids but I take a look at the way children are entirely raised on artificial media that is designed and shaped by market forces in such a cold and calculated matter to extract as much engagement time from them as humanly possible at the expense of them being able to have a real fulfilling life, which btw also has the side effect of deeply drilling bourgeois ideological values in their very sensitive developing brains, and feel uneasy about this whole ordeal.
I don't want to create more obedient little cogs for the capitalist machine and help extend its lifecycle if I could instead help raise a generation of revolutionaries, but it seems harder to do this day by day.
Maybe in the end when the conditions get bad enough will the current hyper-consumerist generation finally realize their real interests and revolt against this current society when they realize they have no other choice, there is only hoping.

 No.477279

>>477217
based

>>477243
seethe

 No.477314

>How does parenting affect someone's political views?
A way more interesting question i think is "how does someone's political views affect their parenting?"

To me it seems like parenting styles are hugely political, and being a child is basically getting a taste of your social position in the wider world within the microcosm of family.

And if we can draw out these lines of similarity, it also allows for a critique of family structure and parenting that can be communist, rather than just falling into essentialist mystification about how parenting is neutral, eternal, etc. and the varieties and methods only have secondary effects. From all that i've seen, it seems more like family is where you first experience the state and capitalism, depending on the views and social backgrounds of your parents.

But also on the question - it seems like parents become less radical, but I'm pretty sure it's just because the state has their hands in everyone's business. You risk your child being taken away, being charged with neglect, etc. if you don't follow the socially normal avenues. So you *have* to maintain a job, stay out of jail, not make a scene and seem like a bad parent, have to put your kid in school (even though it brainwashes them), etc.

I think if there was a way for people to skirt the law, parenting could possibly make people more radical, because now theyre not just living for themselves but they have to take care of a whole other life, and who wouldnt want a better world and a better beginning for another creature?

>>476935
yeah this too
i'm not a parent and dont even plan on it
we need some people with experience

>>476959
>Outside of that it's pretty useless for much else, for any other questions about the child's political views, Faith's, friends well that's all on the child's own personal decisions once they leave the home as the brain never actually stops developing as you age and likewise people constantly learn new things and develop different habits
liberal spotted
>>477262
bon and intelligent
why are you in leftypol?

 No.477320

Treat them like garbage and be reactionary as fuck so they rebel against you and turn into communists.

Then when you see they go full commie you reveal the secret strategy to them.

 No.477325

>>477314
>why are you in leftypol?
old habits die hard

 No.477327

>>477320
Doesn't work, they'll end up internalizing all the shitty strategies you use against them and let them shape their political views, see all the messed up white kids on /pol/ with shitty parents who end up becoming nazi degenerates.

 No.477333

>>477268
ill bite
1. first of all it's very important for the development of identity for the parents to not just tell the kid how to be, but to insinuate them into that role. We don't naturally have any solid values, and we gain a basis for consistent action and decision by the roles we take on. It's kind of like improv.
2. Teach them how to think, dispute, etc. and not discourage subversive behavior. Assume for them the role of a free-thinking individual who doesnt give a shit what theyre told. This kid will probably be a little shit, but if it's not raised too bourgeois it might end up a based big shit when older.
3. Give it some wisdom so it doesnt go crazy in this world. One thing almost no parents actually do anymore it seems like
4. Not act like cops towards the kid - though this might make it more radical? idk. But anyways its fucked up when parents play the role of surveillance state. It might instill in the kid a revolutionary mindset, but it won't help create any multigenerational solidarity or strong family ties. Which itself is more revolutionary than a fucked up individual.
5. give it good ital food
6. let it's hobbies be important, not insinuate it into the role of a stupid baby (god i hate "kid's" shows, "kid's" clothes, etc. Western bourgeois bullshit). Understand that it's a person, but it's a n00b at being a person, and will fall into cliches, confusion, bad ideas, etc. out of lack of experience. But don't let it think the things it does are stupid because it's a kid, because that kid eventually becomes an adult, and if you raised a kid you'll get a kid.
7. talk to it like it's a person, give it some freedom and stuff
8. set good examples regarding drugs, entertainment consumption, and stuff like that.

thats about all i got
i'd make an autistic parent and my kid would probably resent me for not giving it enough structure, but maybe we could at least be friends when the kid is older and gets off the drug habit it developed from all that freedom and being treated like an adult which would give it stress and alienate it from its sheeple peers :^)

 No.478649

>>477333
>3. Give it some wisdom so it doesnt go crazy in this world. One thing almost no parents actually do anymore it seems like
define wisdom

 No.478699

>>478649
idk just like tips and useful life experience, rather than "lol ur own ur own" or stupid boomer style propaganda common sense

like, shit that people actually put effort into learning and extrapolating to the level of conceptual/rational/philosophical knowledge after experiencing some life….
but also most parents i know were basically kids when they had their kids so, not like there's even a whole lot of that present for them to take from

anyways just thats another facet of alienation - the flows of grassroots knowledge is very destroyed, at least for a middle class whitoid like me. There's no culture flowing through family, no solidarity, and really not much of a relationship beyond pure material existence, which is basically in following with liberal ideology and the capitalist spiritual/social wasteland we live in.

 No.478716

This thread belongs in >>>/hobby/

 No.478858

Show them eastern bloc cartoons not whatever degenerate garbage is created today to sell toys.

>>477262
good post

 No.478875

Parenting will be done communally. We are coming for that toothbrush and that child, bucko!

 No.479017

>>477262
excellent post comrade

 No.479024

>>477262
This. Kids learn by example not by being taught lessons. Literally it's the Jordan Peterson answer. You have to sort yourself out if you want to be a halfway decent parent.

 No.479039

>>477333
>Understand that it's a person, but it's a n00b at being a person, and will fall into cliches, confusion, bad ideas, etc. out of lack of experience.
It's a really important point I'd like to think more about. When I talk to friends with kids, the activist crowd grown up into 30s, we speak a lot of calling them things like little people, etc. Because many see viewing them as 'children' in the western sense of infantalizing them and subordinating them in all areas of life is actively harmful and stunting.

 No.479142

>>477262
Good post but there are only two genders.

 No.479150

>>476935
>How many of us are parents? We have some old heads here that might fit the bill, but certainly not myself.
You must be raised in some way by your parents when you're younger, or currently is being raised in some way.

 No.479153

>>478716
>Hobby is when you discuss your parents' effects on your political views

 No.479169

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Daily reminder this is the only correct line on childbearing comrades should hold.

 No.479174

>>477314
>>477325
No please don’t leave, we actually need effortposters and not just edgelords ex-pollards who became a leftist because they heard Stalin banned gay people.

 No.479176

>>477320
They’ll just become radlibs instead.
Also… just no.

 No.479183

>>479174
Oops I meant “poltards”, lol

 No.479184

>>479183
And lastly I also meant that he banned homosexuality, non gay people themselves of course.

 No.479185

>>479183
And lastly I also meant that he banned homosexuality, not gay people themselves of course.

 No.479386

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>>477325
>why are you in leftypol?

I got banned from 4chan for calling for a raid/dox on the mods and Jannies, those transhumanist jannies need to get the jab.

 No.479390

>>479169
Maupin is a social conservative. He's on record saying abortion laws in the US need to be more tightly restricted.

 No.479873

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>>479169
yet another advancement in the revolutionary science of maupinthought

 No.483647

Are neo nazis people with horrible parents and fucked up families? I can see how someone relatively normal can become conservative /reactionary, yet someone who is actually extremely racist, homophobic, misoginistic, etc must be because of some very fucked up parenting.

I just can't see how a healthy child would end up hating everyone who is not like him.

 No.483651

>>483647

Anecdotal experience:

I have known neo-nazis irl and they have their own class divisions. Poor white men become skinheads, rich white men become groypers. The skinheads usually came from prison or street gangs formed by people from prison. Poor whites are lured in because they are so alienated from their society and depressed at capitalism's effects on the poor that they join these gangs since they provide a "solution". Groypers are from upper middle class white families and are total failures in being normal. Many are incels and have no friends. They are isolated loners so they browse imageboards and slowly get dragged into edgy counter culture humor. Eventually, they embrace racism and fascism because its the most opposite thing they can think of against the current paradigm in the west. A rejection of the society who rejected them results in the acceptance of what the society hates the most.

Neo nazis are cry babies and need to be gassed.

 No.493095

>>483647
>Are neo nazis people with horrible parents and fucked up families
We will never know but I assume yes?
They were basically people with real-life acquired (not genetic) psychological issues like PTSD or trauma or whatever you may call them and because of the immense stress they acquire they feel like they need a sense of well being and so decides to explore until they find something "cool" (i.e., either socialism or Neo-Nazism)

 No.493099

>How does parenting affect someone's political views?
It's the quickest and surest way to deradicalize yourself. Parents are extremely risk averse to the point of being reactionaries out of necessity. A good comrade's family is the Communist Party and their only child the revolution.

 No.494505

Give me your best arguments against antinatalism. I personally can think of no convincing reason why it is not, at the very least, extremely ethically questionable to procreate.

 No.494508

>>494505
The world is truly horrible and dystopian under capititalism so we shouldn't bring more suffering to the world.

 No.494512

>>494505

There are enough resources to give everyone the basic necessities of life and more people means more revolution as capitalism fails. A population of poor young people with no hope is ripe for revolution.

 No.494991

>>494505
Natalism = continuing Communism's legacy
Antinatalism = counterrevolutionary

 No.499500

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