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 No.545592

Say you are in a city undergoing a huge famine, where there is nowhere near enough food for everyone eat.
One day while scowering abadone stores you and 9 other men come across 10 loves of bread.
One of the two men demands to take 8 loaves of the bread and force you all to share the other 2.
Another man demands you to share the bread equally with the million of inhabitants of the city.
Now when considering purely from an objective and MATERIAL stand point,
Which of these two men is the greater threat to the wellbeing of you and your family???
And if the man advocating to share the bread with the whole of the city ISN'T advocating in your material interest,
How then could he appeal to you on a Marxist basis??
As the whole of Dialetical Materialism is predicated on the engine of Material class interest.
>TL;DR?
The third worldist position is objectively more opposed to the material interests of the western working class then the position of the national bourg is,
change my mind.

 No.545597

why not use the seeds in that loaf of bread to you know grow more bread?

 No.545600

>>545592
Not saying I'm a MTW but they want to take wealth from the billionaires first, not like they're going directly for billy bob's toothbrush.

 No.545613

>>545597
You could advocate such,
but you would still want your own family to eat FIRST if they are satrving,
Which is a rather large departure from the Third Worldist position
(Something which is infact much more akin to what actual socialist nations DID throughout history)
>>545600
I mean okay sure
And agreed, the guy in the hypothetical who wants 8 of the loaves is a threat to the group as well and would rationally be opposed by the other 9.
But the question of what to do AFTER you ensure the one dude cant take the 8 loaves for himself still comes up.
And IF all the loaves were equally distributed THROUGHOUT the city after they were taken from the dude who wanted 8 the 10 men would still end up with LESS bread over all.
(And not enough to feed themselves even for a day)

 No.545621

>>545613
But there's more than enough 'bread' to 'feed' everyone in this world. We don't live in a famine - or at least, not one caused by there not being enough food produced, but in one caused by the bourg hoarding it all.

 No.545625

>>545592
> Say you are in a city undergoing a huge famine, where there is nowhere near enough food for everyone eat.
Premise is faulty from the very first sentence assuming this is a stand in for the global economy

 No.545801

>TL;DR? The third worldist position is objectively more opposed to the material interests of the western working class then the position of the national bourg is.

As a third worldist, I tend to agree, at least for the medium term (several decades).

That can follow logically from the theory, that is to say that is to say that if people really did receive their labour contribution to economic output, this could mean a moderate to substantial fall in the imperial core w.c. standard of living.

Moreover, the third worldist strategy is precisely to exacerbate class antagonisms in the core countries over time by cutting off the flow of surplus value from the less developed periphery countries, which via revolution, nationalization, planning, industrialuzation, etc. would result in increased capital retention, higher export prices for raw materials, breaking the core oligopoly on finushed and higher end goods and services, etc, etc, etc.



As for the starvation example, its not quite the best analogy for the argument you want to make, since there, in order to ensure survival viability, it makes sense to save some instead of letting everyone starve. In the case of our economy however we aren't dealing with an absolute lack of basic subsistence materials and a sudden discovery of small cache or a fishing spot or something of the sort.

 No.545804

The fact that there are people who dogmatically subscribe to either "third worldism" or "first worldism" is proof that communism has been inherited by a bunch of religious sectarian psychopaths. How about this? The idea that breaking the chains of imperialism can be true while also fighting for leftist struggle in your own country without dogmatic retarded leanings. Sectarians need to be shot as traitors and scabs.

 No.545812

>>545804

Third worldism is on the one hand an analysis of the uneven development of capitalism worldwide and the resulting, unequal exchange, profit transfer, etc.

On the other it is a strategy for revolution which advocates concentrating resources used for revolutionary struggle in the less developed and periphery regions; By doing so one increases the chances of revolution to their maximum and slowly increases class antagonism in the core.

It does not imply doing nothing if one lives in the core, in fact just the opposite. Nor does it imply one should wreck or antagonize first worldist groups.

 No.545817

>>545812
Nice theory, except its practice is the opposite and sectarian. So are the "first worldist" groups. Also anyone who thinks sending a few hundred dollars as charity to some foreign organization will help them then you are acting just like a philanthropist capitalist that believes in charities. No socialist group can do anything if they are not in power, only being awareness to certain things if they are in the first world. The socialist aim in any country is simple, gaining power, till then crying about some maoist group in a shithole country will mean nothing except a useless gesture.

 No.545822

>>545812
>It does not imply doing nothing if one lives in the core
Then what should we do?

 No.545830

>>545592
I adopt the fourth-worldist position, eat all the bread myself and wait for the extraterrestrials to arrive with famine relief.

 No.546003

>>545597
Why didnt ukrainians just grow more grains lmao

 No.546012

>>545592
The retard that wants to take eight loaves for himself is a greater threat to me, I will fight him to the death for the ten loaves and leave everyone else to cannibalize his body.
Using common sense instinct, anyone retarded enough to suggest feeding a million people with ten loaves would more likely cower and run away, than be willing to die for a chance of survival. Marxism has nothing to do with everyone having equal material conditions.
Actually I'll preserve his body with salt and ice and take it with me too.

 No.546113

>>545621
>>545625
>There is enough food for everyone!
speaking as someone who knows what it is to be honestly hungery (in the first world)
humbly beg to differ my dudes

 No.546115


 No.546116

>>545830
I adopt the 5th worldist position, wait till the 5 dimensional beings who see both the past and present and future all at once, intervene and disappear the ruling class and place into the hands of the working class, the means of producing high living standards for all the earth within one year.

 No.546118

>>545801
Appreciate the honest (for most of it) but would openly objectifly disagree with
>" In the case of our economy however we aren't dealing with an absolute lack of basic subsistence "
as tens of millions of americans go without healthcare every and tens of millions of go without food.
The whole US isn't just the fuckin coasts my dude.

 No.546121

>>545592
ofc it's one of that two men who decides to take 8 loaves for them.
tbh reminds me of that moment Jesus gave 5 loaves to 5000 and still have remaining stock with Him

 No.546142


 No.546401

>>546113
You could have been fed with the 100 billion pounds of food thrown away in the us every year

 No.546447

>>546118

There are pockets of third world like conditions in the core countries; I would say anywhere from 5-10% of the population, which is still millions of people in the U.S.

That be careful about using word starvation as a substitute for malnourished: Malnourished mean anything from absolute lack of calories to a very unbalanced diet lacking in protein and vitamins.

There isn't at present a famine going on in the us, and in fact poorer areas tend to have obedity-diabetes problems (which can qualify as malnutrition in fact)

 No.546541

I still can't get over the fact that as little as three years ago Roo was calling out "anti-white" rhetoric.

Now he's gone full PoMo/Sakai. SAD!

 No.546643

>>546541
He’s always fetishizes Native Americans.

 No.546845

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>>546541
Dudes entire Praxis was always built around simping and explicitly non-white "third world" revolution.
Dude pretends like he is so fucking above the petty nationalisms and moralisms of western patriotic socialists but then turns around and reafirms tribal land ownership to a level onpar with the fucking SS (without literally doing ANYTHING to demonstrate the legitimacy of the racial catagories he critiques the west for but is PERFECTLY willing to utilize to decide who "owns" america and "who" it was "stolen" from)
Dude is a basic bitch chomsky teir liberal at the end of the day.

 No.546863

>>546541
Just seems like a contrarian.

 No.546866

>>546113
I said there's enough food for everyone, not that everyone gets their daily bread, there's a big difference. There's enough wealth for everyone, it's just not shared equitably.


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