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 No.580532[View All]

Why are Americans so ignorant about the history of communism in their own country?

Watching all these history lectures about the CPUSA, IWW, etc. is bewildering. Why the fuck was I not taught about any of this in high school? Why was the “threat” of communism portrayed as something irrational and the Red Scares came out of nowhere when in fact communists were numerous in America and were extremely dedicated? Or the fact that the communists were the only ones fighting for Black people in the 1920s and 30s when most white Americans didn’t even see Black people as human?

I feel seriously cheated.
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 No.642175

For the person who claimed WZF was "never targeted" by company goons.

It's from Labor's Untold Story.

 No.642804

>>581271
Which one are you?

 No.642882

>>642175
>It's from Labor's Untold Story.
Based book. It should be required reading for all American and Canadian comrades.

 No.643276

>>642882
It makes me cry like a bitch every time I read it (I'm a grown woman over 30 FYI).

 No.643355

>>642175
This is pure hagiography.

 No.643502

>>643355
>hagiography
And? He was well-loved.

 No.643520

>>627642
Cringe on all accounts.

 No.644058

>>643355
Imagine thinking a “hagiography” is a bad thing.

 No.645311

>>618711
Interesting how these stool pigeons would say EXACTLY whatever fit Joe McCarthy and the FBI's narrative.

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 No.648199

>>618534
>>618711
What book is this?

 No.648255

>>629540
>Americans like to believe their system is the best and they won't accept any rivals or allow anyone to tell them what to do. They believe American values are universal and that everyone else in the world is secretly American inside, and their Americanness is just trying to get out, and Americans' job is to help them do it.
And that's exactly the reason why communism must be built in America first. Not merely because the USA is the most developed capitalist nation, but because the people are ideologically primed to be in favor of world revolution. The task of 'flipping' American civic belief towards socialism may be near-insurmountable, but if it could be done the task of spreading the revolution would be that much easier than if it happened in, say, Germany or Brazil.

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 No.649192

>>649151
>compares communism to vultures
He does realize communism turned Russia and China (and Cuba, and Nicaragua, and others) from shitholes into global superpowers, right?

 No.649617

>>648199
"Christian: The Politics of a Word in America" by Matthew Bowman

 No.650589

>>623195
I love how old school communists were real badasses in that they didn't fold (unlike 99.999% of the leftists today). Granted, back then people still held a sense of obligation to "the cause" as well as to each other.

 No.650734

>>642804
Dirty, clearly.

 No.650753

>>650589
Full video.

 No.650754

>>650589
There was a cause to to not fold for. There is no movement now.

 No.650757

>>650754
That's exactly what I said.

 No.650771

>>650753
Jesus fucking Christ, how many aliases does one person need?

 No.650989

>>636371
U.S unironically has more history than basically every other New World country on planet earth

 No.650993

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>>648255
Exactly. The U.S was birthed in revolutionary liberal Enlightenment, as Marx and Lenin themselves pointed out, unlike European and Old World nations which are trapped in ethnic nationalism and historicism, the U.S is instead trapped in civicism; its identity as a nation is bound up in its civic belief. It's why I get so pissed off reading about our based early IWW, Socialist Party etc history, because we could've been so much more.

Had the U.S embraced socialism, it would've unironically been a Red Napoleon, in the same way its been a Blue Napoleon in the 20th and 21st century, protected by the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and dedicated to exporting Revolution at all costs (the spread of its civic belief). This combined with its greater material output would mean it would've had much more success in actually exporting revolution. But the bourgeoise in the U.S won the domestic class war and crushed the proletariat. God I hate the porkies and dream of world revolution.

EDIT: Reposting because a seething Euro-slug janny decided to delete my post for some reason topkek.

 No.651338

>>650989
Depends on what you mean by history. Because Euro-Americans (among others) lost so much of their traditional cultures when they migrated they had to build up an entirely new culture from scratch. This is arguably one major reason why every time an ideology or religion gets distorted it always occurs in the United States (it's not like hundreds upon hundreds of different Protestant denominations originated in Europe, for instance).

I'm an America who has lived abroad before (study abroad in Prague, spent an entire summer in Greece, lived in Mexico with a friend for almost two years) and can confirm that people elsewhere don't really "get" Americans even if they "get" people from other New World countries. At least in places like Argentina the population is much, much more connected to its Spanish/Italian European roots than most Euro-Americans are.

 No.651596

>>642175
>>642882
Sad how you’re far more likely to read Settlers in a university course than this masterpiece.

 No.651620

>>581271
>”international criminal conspiracy”

 No.651708

>>651596
Because Settlers is far more relevant history to us today in the sense that white supremacy and settler-colonialism are still heavily present in the US whereas you rarely ever see class struggle occurring within the factory.

 No.651738

>>651596
Would love to see any actual evidence of Settlers being assigned reading in a US university course.
Universities in the US are incredibly liberal, you aren't reading radical shit of any kind lmao. They are reading White Fragility and shit.

 No.651755

>>651738
We read chapters of it in a sociology class I took as a junior….

 No.652040

>>651738
>Settlers
>radical shit
Settlers is de-radicalization propaganda.

 No.652078

>>652040
Correct. The entire premise of the book is that Americans are too immoral for socialism so American socialists are hopeless.

 No.653190

>>651708
>being this race reductionist

 No.653367

>>651708
>whereas you rarely ever see class struggle occurring within the factory
Do the last few years of strikes not count? Moreover America's actual relations with its minorities no longer really resemble settler colonialism. The condition of racialized people in America more closely resemble those of Europe than they do Israel.

 No.653392

>>653367
>America's actual relations with its minorities no longer really resemble settler colonialism.
Gonna have to disagree on this.

 No.654193

>>642175
Beautiful shit.

 No.654238

>>653392
On what basis? Generally speaking the encroachments on indigenous lands are for shit like pipelines or resource extraction than settlement, and black and hispanic people are just proles who also experience racial discrimination. Imo settler colonialism is only useful to describe a situation wherein displacement and settlement is experienced by a ethnically distinct segment of the population to the benefit of another part. That doesn't really happen anymore. The condition of racialized people in America more closely resembles that of minorities in Europe than it does the Palestinians.

 No.661778

>>653190
Race reductionism is better than class reductionism.

 No.661779

no one reply to it

 No.662438

>>580532
Caleb is terrible to listen to.

 No.663240

>>642175
I cry evrytim

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 No.677216

>>618711
>CPUSA forced its members to have abortions
Super cool story bro.

 No.678390

>>677216
It’s 100% bullshit. That would have come up during the Red Scare hearings.

 No.678436

>>650771
However many you'll need! The Bolsheviks used aliases so as to dodge Tsarist authorities; not much has changed.

 No.678437

>>678436
Where were you when you learned "Joseph Stalin" wasn't even his real name?

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 No.680407

>>580532
I love how Maupin talks about the old CPUSA the way anarkids talk about Catalonia.

 No.680425

>>680407
There's still a lot of forgotten history from the early days of the party that needs rediscovering, but yeah; don't wanna romanticize it too much.

 No.682354

>>680425
>a lot of forgotten history from the early days of the party that needs rediscovering
Such as?

 No.682482

>>682354
Well these are all me: >>622636 >>622638 >>622651 >>622655 >>622691 >>622695 so take a guess!


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