That's a good question. It's quite the mystery.
>>580532>the Red Scares
You literally answered your own question. Cold War politics and the aftermath of McCarthyism is exactly why communist (and labour) history is obscured in the US.
I've seen American history high school textbooks and they always go from the Gilded Age to the First World War without ANY mention of labour struggles. There's a logical reason for that.
decades of propaganda
leftists who hate patriotism and refuse to talk about the US outside of the negatives
anon i learned a lot of this stuff from literally /leftypol/ and my own research, it's not exactly like they shove it in your face
hmm, honestly i think jacobin mag does a lot of good highlighting lesser known aspects of socialist history, from what i've seen of them. otherwise, i think a decent way to educate people about it could be youtube videos, something like Second Thought but less "making a point" and more "here's some history".
Any good videos about the CPUSA that are NOT made by Maupin?
>>580532>Why are Americans so ignorant
really makes you think
>>580564>The Red Scare is presented as bad because it "went too far" by sweeping up Hollywood libs who just sympathized with the communists.
LOL, yep. People think the Second Red Scare was just Hollywood or whatever. That and the Hiss-Chambers (rat) case.
The purpose of school is to indoctrinate you into capitalist mode of production, not to impart information, or create well rounded citizens or some shit.
So long as 95% of burgers getting shat out of highschool stick to the program and can recite the ruling ideology of "Marx killed 100s gorillion people", the system is working as intended. Teachers who want to keep their jobs give the topic a wide birth.
Freedom is slavery. You don't live in the land of the free, but in the land of slaves who believe they are free. All while watching the rich exercising bourgeoisie freedoms to control their lives.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU-AkeOyiOQ
More importantly they either don’t think about the Communists who suffered from it or think that they all deserved it.
"Foster and the rest of the CPUSA leadership were puppets of Stalin" is a common trope used to justify the repression they faced.
Didn’t they have to take a loyalty oath to the Soviet Union?
American history is always whitewashed.
But Anon, don't you know that wanting to continue the progressive legacy of your own country makes you a racist Nazi?
t. The CPUSA apparently
Idk how it was before 2000 but my public school history education definitely slanted left or at least lib. I know people who had history teachers that presented communism as a good thing and this was in the south
It's only three people in the CPUSA/YCL who are attacking Caleb Maupin. They apparently blackmailed Joe Sims.
Are you sure? We briefly talked about American communism at my high school , namely that CPUSA was tremendously popular during the 1930s and that’s what got a lot of people in trouble decades later.
Social-imperialist hands typed this post
Shorten it to "why are americans so ignorant?".
Neoliberal propaganda and institutions basically limit anything outside the scope of liberal capitalist "democracies". Can't escape it and it results in some very dumb educational standards.
Good to hear, hope the party throws them out.
What's there to learn? It's a history of failure and impotence
It's highly important.
There's no positive accomplishments, what little concessions they did get doomed them in even the short term. What good does it do to teach kids about losers and failures?
>>581142>what little concessions they did get doomed them in even the short term.
All of the new deal legislation
The answer is obvious.
If you're an oppresor and the whole political and economic model depends of making people think that the current state of things is permanent and natural you wouldn't want people to think about alternatives
Richard Wolff has been saying this for years the fact that Americans are ignorant is not an accident, but conscious design.
How did it hurt them? McCarthyism would have happened regardless of how visible the CPUSA had been.
You fucking kidding me? How are they losers and failures? They literally have been on the forefront of every progressive movement there ever was.
>>581188>How are they losers and failures?
They didn't take power
Compromise with the other side of capital defanged them and led to their full liquidation under Earl Browder, which they still haven't recovered from
This. Maupin severely whitewashes the history of the CPUSA to make it seem as if 100% of the decisions they made were rational and that they were the good guy martyrs, rather than the sellouts they always were.
>>581224>his native Prussia
oh boy, glad Marx wasn't around to hear that
why are they talking about communism like it's the rituals of some uncontacted tribe or something. it's an extremely modern ideology
>>581250>ronald raygun is host
This one too.
I'm serious, these anti-communist propaganda films make communists look gangsta af.
Making communism look “foreign” was a key strategy used by the American feds.
to all the americans who feel like op: read mike davis' Prisoners of the American Dream
"Labour's Untold Story" by Richard Boyer is absolutely essential as well.
Based fellow tabby.
Although, that book made me cry like a baby.
This is like an SNL skit.
>>581981>the Comintern ordered the CPUSA to organize southern blacks,
Don't call anyone an outside agitator without evidence.
I feel another thing to consider is that during the first red scare thousands of radicals were arrested with hundreds deported as a result. You can imagine this would dissuade many from action or even entertaining organizing ideas in private conversation. This was at a time when the still resident American communists were trading their prior syndicalist praxis for the Leninist centralization. With the failed general strikes many saw promise organizing in accordance to the Russian revolution. The conditions of America didn't lend itself well to creating the sort of dual power structures that found success for the Bolsheviks. If anything it was less of revolutionary potential squandered as it was stillborn by capitalist concessions. As with every aspect of America degenerating since mid 20th century so have the communist parties in their ability to affect the worker's psyche. Personally find it funny hearing of the second red scare propaganda's claims of a international conspiracy. Whereas the conspiracy was that of global capital against labor. It must be understood that no life under the dominion of capital is desirable. Completely unacceptable despite what the liberals say. They beg for crumbs all the while as if this current realm of societal organization is at all salvageable. The destruction of the USSR and the degeneration of the very fabric of America has led us back to square one. No more is there time for bickering in ideological squabbles which have no effect in our immediate every day lives. As if this site is a coffee house or pub of the yesteryear
>>582494>With the failed general strikes many saw promise organizing in accordance to the Russian revolution.
That, and the fact that many American socialists who were ex-syndies visited the Soviet Union and watched in awe of how the Bolsheviks were able to turn a war-torn rural shithole into a thriving society. https://www.marxists.org/archive/foster/1924/russ24.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/strong-anna-louise/1925/first_time/index.htm
>>581271>international criminal conspiracy
My favorite part of American Communist history is the Kuzbass Autonomous Industrial Colony. IWW tried to get people to immigrate to the USSR. This was before the Yanks for Stalin migration.
It was a good idea and they were right to do it. But people act like the CPUSA were amazing anti-racists when in reality they had the same lukewarm attitude towards blacks as the rest of the socialist movement, until the Soviets ordered them into Alabama.
CP leaders bragged about being able to turn on a dime to follow the Comintern line, then get all upset when people brand them as agents of a foreign power.
It has nothing to do with the massive anti-communist propaganda campaigns and fear-mongering, that's for sure.
>>580547>I've seen American history high school textbooks and they always go from the Gilded Age to the First World War without ANY mention of labour struggles. There's a logical reason for that.
We learned about Battle of Blair Mountain and strikers and Pinkertons and all that in my regular no AP history class(California.)
Daily reminder McCarthyism had nothing to do with the threat of “communism.” It had everything to do with antisemitism and antiblackness indicated by how Black people and Jews were the primary targets . The US had no real problem with communism as it continued trading with the Soviet Union (which itself was antisemitic and anti-black).(False pretenses rule outside of /siberia/)
Better luck next year.
>>584463>equating communism with nazism
>>580532>Why are Americans so ignorant about the history of communism in their own country?
Because they're lied to from birth by their rulers.
McCarthyism was mainly a Republican strategy to regain political power after 15 years of Democratic hegemony by smearing pro-USSR liberals and communists who had integrated into the DNC during the Popular Front. It had little to do with racism or national security and everything to do with American establishment party politics.
It's not that they were wrong to study the successes and admire developments in the USSR. The conditions that led to the Bolshevik's seizure of power simply didn't present themselves in America. So by reorganizing along Leninist principles it strategically did very little for the broader communist movement. At least in my opinion it divided the class conscious American workers and Marxist ideologues rather than synthesizing both. It's that which started the movement on it's path to further failure. Much the reason for the new left to have come from the college campuses instead of the shop floors. That's aside from communists being banned from participating in yellow unions. The American left weakened itself through divisive pigeonholed ideological measures. It was easily dismantled by bourgeois state repression as a result.>>582668
This, without the USSR's support the CPUSA is not much more than a Marx and Lenin book club with contacts abroad
Interesting how Maupin places the blame for communism going from factory to college campus is "the CIA" rather than the failures of the CPUSA itself.
Video cuts out and jumps in several places.
13:10 - OH FUCK MAUPIN
that picture shows 10 replies, did anyone refute it or did they all just call them a fuckhead and laugh?neither response is wrong btw
They mostly said the poster was being schizo without providing any counter-evidence.
>>585505>without the USSR's support the CPUSA is not much more than a Marx and Lenin book club with contacts abroad
CPUSA has 10,000-15,000 members and is growing by the hundreds every month. It is by far the largest communist organization in the country.
Bold claim, even if so what does that mean in the current day? As far as i know they're the "vote blue no matter who" crowd. Practically and functionally how are they better than liberals? Just being anti-capitalist doesn't exactly make you a communist that is for sure. Spreading class consciousness is fine and well in itself
>>586116>As far as i know they're the "vote blue no matter who" crowd.
Not really. They tend to endorse Democrats in presidential elections, their reasoning being that the CPUSA itself has no chance of winning, and that the Democrats tend to be less aggressive in foreign policy. We may well dispute this second point, but it's a position the party holds based on consultation with their foreign contacts in Cuba, China, etc. In terms of local elections they obviously run and endorse their own candidates.
>>586008>he enthusiastically supported World War I
Half-truth, and this guy is most certainly a butthurt anarkid.
This video is pure whitewash.
Maupin will never say anything critical of American communists or his heroes.
<English Literacy in the United States is 79% according to a 2019 report by the National Center for Education Statistics. 21% of American adults are illiterate or functionally illiterate. According to the U.S. Department of Education, 54% of adults in the United States have literacy below the 6th-grade level.
If you want slaves don't educate them as masters. Honestly, most of what burgers know even about their own country and their own history comes from cartoons and sitcoms. They don't even know most of the stuff that wasn't actively covered up, so what do you expect?
"Others were teachers conducting night school classes in space shared with the targeted radical group. Arrests far exceeded the number of warrants."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_davis
Vice presidential candidate and teacher, most wanted by FBI.
Purges don't happen in real democracies. State sanctioned political violence doesn't happen in America. SlAvErY dIdN't HaPpEn. America is great country. Somthing sumthin CRT taking our guns into our schools with our illegal border mandates is western civilization war on Christmas.
You tell me what happened.
What that is supposed to mean?
Browder was a douchebag, we know.
Good point. On that note, we should ignore Huey Newton and Angela Davis. Oh wait, they're not failures because they're BLACK COMMUNISTS.
The black bourgeoisie has arguably done more for black people than black communists have. I hate to say it but that’s just fact. The biggest problem in all black communities is lack of intergenerational wealth. That’s why having black millionaires and billionaires is a key step towards black liberation whether you approve of it or not.
>>590098>The black bourgeoisie has arguably done more for black people than black communists have.
Yeah like what? Becoming establishment Dems so they can ruthlessly enforce mass incarceration and the war on drugs? Voting to send young black men to die in Iraq?
The sad thing is, nothing in this video is technically wrong.
You think communists do anything for a community that has been historically forbidden to accumulate wealth when they say “wealth is bad?” Blacks need their own rich so they can be liberated. Go to the south side of Chicago and tell them it’s a good thing to be poor and they’re wrong for desiring material goods.
This is cap and you know it.,
7:23 – the CPUSA were advocating accelerationism?
lmao that's a strawman and you know it
This post gave me diarrhea.
>>586489>it's a position the party holds based on consultation with their foreign contacts
Exactly my point as to why i personally couldn't care less to join and pay dues to the CPUSA. More power to those who wish to rebuild the party. I view them simply as a more radical DSA functionally, nothing more.
Why is fedjacketing becoming so common on the left nowadays? Tankies accuse anarchists of being feds, anarchists accuse Maoists of being feds, Maoists accuse Trots of being feds, what the fuck dudes?
Just retards being smoothbrained. Sure the state's apparatus has near limitless resources. Except they can't just outright openly kill people for agitation without repercussions (yet). Disruption through proxy is the next best thing. Get everyone paranoid and the radicals do the fed's job for them, simple as. Exactly why the actions of American antifa are all just posturing and impotent larping. Sure the right wing groups lost in the 2010s culture war but it was a pyhrric victory. Identity politics are palatable to liberals over class issues. So as a result the rhetoric of reactionary agitation has spread to be commonplace. Only it has been emboldened by the Biden presidency. Cope there is to be had is the proletarianization of the petty bourgeoisie due to the lockdowns. It's up to us to lead them to class consciousness by our actions.
>>590098>The black bourgeoisie has arguably done more for black people than black communists have.
I'm not sure there is much of a black bourgeoisie.
Is this a WaPo quote?
this guy, with the help of the labor movement, did more for black americans than any black billionairehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Philip_Randolph
Well the American culture is becoming more liberal from a long-term perspective if you go back decades. We'll sometimes have trolls come in and say "how does the right keep winning the culture war" but that's not the actual beliefs of the vast majority of conservatives in America. They might try to buck themselves up from time to time or win some temporary victories but the impression I get from them is a belief that they've been getting shellacked.
Some say that Noam Chomsky has gone soft or whatever, and sure, but it's interesting to hear his perspective when he's been asked about that, because his belief is that Americans are way more enlightened about social issues than when he was a kid.
They again? It's no question. They have been indoctrinated into capitalist propaganda.
>>590125> tell them it’s a good thing to be poor and they’re wrong for desiring material goods.
Either you're a complete retard who understands nothing or i took the bait
Chomsky was never very radical TBH.
I'll repeat what I said when this was posted in ITG.
One factor as to why the state or porky wouldn't want to kill a beloved labour leader is fear of retaliation from his loyal followers. Think about how gangs wars will often erupt from rival gangs seeking revenge on each other for having killed one of their homies: it's exactly like that.
>>593458>Well the American culture is becoming more liberal from a long-term perspective if you go back decades
Hardly a measurement of success in our favor. There are some parallels between the early 20th century left and the goings on of the modern radical right. The right wing groups have been going through their own phase of "propaganda of the deed". At the same time it has been a concentrated effort in recent years to discredit right wing racially focused politics. The state uses this to pit right wing radicals against their leftist antifa/blm counterparts. Both become preoccupied street fighting as mortal enemies. Think of the culture war as a proxy war and it will start to make more sense. Today average right wingers feel as if the "American way of life" is constantly under attack by liberal degenerates bankrolled by the Chinese (or the jews depending on who you ask). Pushing them back into hiding has only made them become more radical in secret and unpredictably dangerous.
Which is scary, because being anti-establishment is how you gain legitimacy in the eyes of an ever-angry public.
>>593629>Today average right wingers feel as if the "American way of life" is constantly under attack by liberal degenerates
Yeah, well, when did they not think that?
Survivorship bias. Feds can’t kill all of them.
It's more pronounced now that 1. the American standard of living has plummeted in the past 40 years, 2. liberals care way more about catering to oat milk latte-sipping white liberals on the coasts
(most of whom don't have children and work yuppie jobs) than they do about fixing the very real problems of poverty and failing infrastructure in "Middle America", and 3. globalization has resulted in large waves of immigration which (like it or not) does result in cultural change (for instance, certain American towns that were almost entirely white 30 years ago are now overwhelmingly Hispanic today).
Basically, the white married man with three or four kids living in Indiana feels as if the political and social climate don't reflect his values anymore, and he's not entirely wrong.
They wouldn't want to kill all of them either. Remember, the labour movement in the US was way more violent than we think of it as having been today. Unions would literally send goons out to attack members of rival unions, very similar to what we see today with street gangs. If one of their most beloved leaders had been (God forbid) killed by the state, you know there would have been horrible acts done in retaliation.
Forgot to add that rallying behind a martyr is always one of the most powerful ways to mobilize people in a political sense.
The feds didn't kill him but they watched him 24/7.
>>593378>Exactly my point as to why i personally couldn't care less to join and pay dues to the CPUSA.
That makes zero sense. That position on sometimes supporting Dems in presidential elections is one based on consultation with people in countries which are actual targets of US imperialism. Certainly if people in Cuba are able to perceive a meaningful difference between the Dems and GOP on American-Cuban relations, it would be the height of burger chauvinism to tell them they're wrong.
Culturally and socially the USA is the most permissive and to the "left" that it's ever been
Economically the USA is more conservative and to the "right" now than it has been in the past, particularly since the 1970s
It's interesting to think about how these things have diverged, and how not seeing this divergence causes a lot of confusion among political normies
When will this “CPUSA were puppets of Moscow” bullshit end?
>>580532>Why the fuck was I not taught about any of this in high school? Why was the “threat” of communism portrayed as something irrational and the Red Scares came out of nowhere when in fact communists were numerous in America and were extremely dedicated?
Because it was the only legitimate political threat to the establishment in the United States, it was being suppressed. They did not want these generations mobilized politically, they wanted them to be mindless automatons who knew no other alternatives than the current system. That's obvious. And they wanted the parents terrified whenever they kids got in to any of this stuff. It all worked perfectly.
God I wish the CPUSA was this powerful
for some reason whenever I see the CPI logo I am reminded of Leftyband
It's an attempt to cover up how brutal the repression really was.
Make your enemies vanish, then go "ha ha guess they never really were there" specifically so that people stop asking questions.
So this is basically a NazBol sect of the CPUSA, got it.
To Be Attacked by the Enemy Is Not a Bad Thing but a Good Thing
Agreed but it’s more important that you actually achieve shit.
The pointless bourgeois political institutions should be dismissed as illegitimate on principle alone. The CPUSA seeks to be damage controllers when they participate in the super structure of american imperialism doing so. The entire point of communist parties are to educate and direct the masses. To be worth their salt preferably towards class consciousness. Sam Webb, mislead the party for years. All for him to quit the party for life within bourgeois politics. The future of the party shows promise, still there is much work to be done to rebuild.
A better question is: why do people like Maupin assume the Old Left was somehow idyllic when it was full of sexism and racism, authoritarianism, economism, and class-collaboration? The New Left wasn’t done CIA conspiracy but something which emerged due to all the problems the Old Left couldn’t overcome.
Was it really? Come on, now
Yes plus both anarchists and Marxists of the time pushed Malthusianism (look up birth strike) and eugenics among other things. Unions are the first to push for immigration restrictions. And no one gave two shits about the indigenous (worker movements have been notoriously anti-indigenous for centuries).
>>595790>sexism and racism, authoritarianism, economism
don't care fuck you lib kys >althusianism (look up birth strike)<noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you cant chose to stop having kids porky needs his cheap labour
where do find people like this I want to go call them retards
the fuck even is economism>pushed Malthusianism (look up birth strike)
>>595808>>595816>Malthusianism is okay when we do it
This is only tangentially related but Im a leaf (i.e. even more ignorant than the average burger on history of American labour movement) and I'm currently reading Howard Zinn's 'A People History of the USA" and it's damn good. I already had bits and pieces of the story in my head but the way Zinn weaves it all into a single narrative is very enlightening.
Just to pick a random name from the book, I had no idea that Hellen Keller was a socialist even though just about everyone learns about her in school. The bourgeoisie's version of her story is literally just "shes blind, deaf and mute but she was so smaht anyway!!"
Anyways, I think that the bourgeoisie learned about the importance of education after seeing socialists using it to raise class consciousness during the 19th-early 20th century. Probably something the "progressives" cooked up
>>595825>people choosing to have less kids is wrong because …… it just is okay
Caleb, if you like kids so much impregnate your wife and leave us out of it
Leave the kids out of it too, it shouldn't be something they're burdened with.
Birth strike would have made perfect sense in 1913 when child labour was widespread and those children were literal slaves.
if we just don't have kids for a good 20 years we could basically end capitalism
There are unintended consequences with lower birthrates too. For instance, birthrates are at a record low in my city, and as a result nearly all of the new housing developments (read: condos) are made for childless hipsters rather than families. Basically, the units are very small and only made for two people (and maybe their dog) despite being priced anywhere from 500k to 1 million CAD. Plus places where children used to play, like playgrounds and basketball courts, are being dismantled and turned into dog-walking parks. It's like developers DON'T want people to breed anymore.
Again, birth strike is pretty ridiculous in today's day and age.
a kid born now will only live a grim life where everything gets worse until he dies, he might not even remember when things were okay, we would I want to plunge someone this dying world
>>596103>linking to fucking instagram,(not even a damn screenshot)
Yes, it's somewhat pointless in the current moment what with labor migration, but there's no reason not to encourage it universally.
Maupin is revisionist to a level that was previously unimaginable.
His ideology is a mixture of Dengism, LaRouchism and imperial core nationalism.
You could not pay me to listen to him for more than 10 seconds.
He throws other leftists under the bus in an attempt to cater to reactionaries. Notice how he's tweeting anti-vaxx shit now.
What Maupin is doing is pure tailism. He never grew out of his Trotskyist mindset.
>>596544>tailism, claiming he and his gang are the only "true socialists" and everyone else is "fake/synthetic left", fedjacketing any leftist tendency he disagrees with, constantly invokes failed socialist movements like the old CPUSA, obsession with selling his books
Once a Trot, always a Trot.
Beware of radicals like elridge cleaver and assata shakur, they will only due harm as they already have done
I lost all respect for Maupin last night when he went on Hinkle’s show. Hinkle is a POS and it’s upsetting to see someone so well-read as Maupin cater to him.
as much as I respect Cuba, we shouldn't concede to meaningless positions that only poison the well we drink from
>>596557>fedjacketing any leftist tendency he disagrees with,
I’ve never seen Trots do this. Usually it’s Maoists who go around calling everyone a fed.
whats the likelihood that the Cuba beurocrat who endorced the Dems was a CIA plant?
spellin iz for queers
fair enough, trots have never done anything to harm other leftist sects because they have never been in a position to do so
I like the picture of Bob Avakian's bowling team getting a riot going in New York when Deng Xiaoping visited prompting Bob to "flee" to France out of fear that the U.S. government would prosecute him.
Imagine what would've happened is they Assassinated Deng.
Too corny to be enjoyable but not corny enough to be amusing.
So, we can all agree McCarthyism was the death of American communism?
It was actually the Popular Front
>f a capitalist builds an air conditioned factory in the third world
nice fiction, they only build death squads as well as precarious places to work with no way out, also the working to death happens in every capitalist country at the same rate then in a fucking gulag with nazis
Amazing how all these words describe capitalists.
>>583546> The US had no real problem with communism as it continued trading with the Soviet Union (which itself was antisemitic and anti-black).
18:20 - is the film implying they fucked?
I fucking swear Sakai makes this exact same argument.
This is the Falun Gong YouTube channel, right?
The last five minutes of this film will never not make me rage.
Are y'all really talking about anti-communist propaganda without mentioning our certified boy Estus Perkel?
>>616592>the reign of terror>origins of communism
Lmao. One thing I find particularly insidious about liberals is the projection of the excesses and violence of their own
revolution onto communism, as if an ideology that had yet to exist is somehow responsible for the violence of the bourgeois revolutions. It's both a attempt to scapegoat the left and a cowardly refusal to engage with how the social order which they themselves support came into being.
You can tell how fucking corny the dialogue sounds.
If anything, "Dark Origins" sounds fucking cool and if I was a kid and my first exposure to communism was a title like that, I would jump on board with it by that simple reason.
It's like that cool skeleton communism reactionary propaganda of decades ago.
>>618711>communism sought not only to stomp out her life
A fetus isn’t a baby yet ffs.
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