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 No.585204[Last 50 Posts]

This motherfucker is unironically what the most rabid of radlibs thought of Trump. Ethnonationalist, neo-Nazi, and anti-communist. Worst of all are his debating skills. He isn't just devastating at debates, he does them in a way that makes you have to come to the conclusions yourself without him having to tell you what they are. He walks you 90% of the way through his fucked up beliefs and then makes you connect the final dots like it was your own viewpoint.

Add to the fact that he is as smart as Trump thinks he is and I really worry about a potential Macron/Zemmour election in France because Macron is way to passive to take on Zemmour in the debates whereas all he has to do for a Macron/Le Pen debate is give her enough rope to hang herself with.

What are leftpol's thoughts on the Nazi goblin man?

 No.585317

My opinion? It is very simple:

∀x( Ep(x) -> ( Ir(x) ∨ (Nl(x) ∧ En(x) ∧ Ef(x)) ) )
Ep - is party in EU
Ir - is irrelevant
Nl - is neoliberal
En - is euronationalist
Ef - is ecofascist

The greatest redpill in Europolitics is that literally everyone is the exact same, and the differance is only how much mask-off they are. When you witness a pro-trans, pro-weed, pro-gay, pro-nature neolib ancap party jump head first in support for building a spiked wall to protect against illegal immigrants you realize none of this pagentry politics shit matters at all. Literally the only real issue where voters still have power is geopolitics, to determine if their respective EU states will go Atlanticist, Putinist or attempt to form an EU empire.

 No.585318

>>585317
this

 No.585323

Melenchon will drop the woke shit and power up for the debates and wipe the floor with everyone which unfortunately means he will kill off all candidates besides Macron and Le Pen. Final round is Le Pen vs Macron and Macron wins again because Le Pen's debate skills are awful and she doesn't actually want to win. You heard it here first folks.

 No.585341

>>585323
Who do you think wins in a Zemmour vs Macron scenario?

 No.585351

>Berber Jew
lel

 No.585356

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>>585317
well, that's a blackpill I didn't need to read today

 No.585359

Has it not occurred to you that he’s already a mask off version of what these other french liberals already are and is just telling them to reach the conclusion of their own politics?

 No.585419

>>585204
He could bring balance to Europe with spikewalls. French need EU and Germany to survive as a great power.

 No.585507

>>585317
Yeah, the main difference is not policies but *how* the parties mobilize their voters.

>>585438
Exactly

 No.585513

Can I just mention how fucking crazy French 'intellectual' talk shows are from the perspective of an outside?

Like imagine an in-person talk show where Bernie Sanders, the PSL dude from the Empire Files and Stephe Bannon butt heads with each other on prime time. Crazy shit.

 No.585524

>>585513
Sounds entertaining tbh

 No.585526

>>585513
>in-person talk show where Bernie Sanders, the PSL dude from the Empire Files and Stephe Bannon butt heads with each other on prime time.
I would pay to see this

 No.585531

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>>585513
I was listening to the "You Can't Win" podcast about May 68, and it was kinda funny because but they had a thought that some of the wackier left-wing stuff from then like "we will abolish time" shouldn't be taken too literally rather than understanding it to be typical French hyperbole or flourishing that happens with intellectual polémique. We're going to abolish this and that, and perhaps… time. Oh, mon dieu…

That might be like Zemmour for rightards. "If I don't run, it will be seen as destruction… treason."

 No.585533

>>585507
>the main difference is not policies but *how* the parties mobilize their voters
In France there are two maybe three revolutionary parties of relevance, all trotskyist mind you: NPA (kinda gone reformist), Poing Levé (radical split from NPA, not sure of their size) and LO. But the rest of the parties are virtually the same yes.

 No.585537

>>585435
>especially the none-white
how much of france is non-white? 2%

 No.585584

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>>585537
>how much of france is non-white? 2%
Uh, anon…

 No.585589

>>585204
I know nothing about this man. I have never heard him speak. I do not speak french.

However, I am always skeptical when someone is described as a "devastating debator".

 No.585596

>>585589
Zemmour has had the reputation of being a smooth and charismatic talker for decades. Even leftists have conceded that he is probably the most gifted orator in France at the moment.

 No.585609

>>585323
>Melenchon will drop the woke shit
and other jokes you can tell yourself.,he's built this sinking ship on it the past 4 years.
>Le Pen […] doesn't actually want to win
definitely,she's the biggest right-wing grifter in the country,she even gets her campaign refunded on top of the tax money,why would she waste time and reputation having to enforce the neoliberal agenda as a president,that would be stupid.
>>585513
yeah,it's great, even the crazies are allowed to speak.
>>585589
he's very good with rethoric,and using peripheral subjects to give himself credits for his other outlandish claims,so I would say he's a good debater,but that also shows how worthless debate with a public you try to convince are.

 No.585650

>>585537
french people arent and have never been white, same for southern euros

 No.585668

>>585596
>gifted orator
French Jewish Hitler?

 No.585796

>>585650
>France
>Southern Europe
nice joke

 No.585817

>>585668
Hitler was already Jewish

 No.585823

>>585668
He's actually a journalist by trade.
Hitler was just some inbred asshole who went on long angry rants about da joos during a time where hating da joos was actually popular among conservative circles. The content of the rants were not as important as the anger itself. It whipped people up, made them realize they have an outlet for their anger in the form of Hitler himself.
Zemmour may be more gifted as a speaker. He doesnt get angry and pantomime about, he speaks with a calculation of intent. The content is much more important than his demeanor.
Hating da africans is popular in conservative circles, so there is at least that comparison that sticks.

 No.585831

>>585650
t. Icelandic /pol/yp

 No.585944

>>585931
>Economic and Political Illiterate culture warrior represents the will of the people
>France doesn’t rely on exploiting african countries and african labor to sustain itself

 No.585946

>>585936
Mais on met pas les immigrés aux banlieues?

 No.586007

>>586001
They’ll consume it in France or consume it outside of it. “Ending mass muslim immigration” will do nothing but marginalize people existing in the country and make them a cheaper, more pliable source of labor, or hell, divert austerity measures and the hollowing out of public funds onto “unemployed foreigners.”

 No.586069

Zemmour is a total hack. Like any right-wing demagogue and professional debate lord he just makes up bullshit on the spot. His books full of made-up or badly researched non-sense. There is this one show where they went through all the claims he made in his book when he was present and it turned out to be total bullshit hackery.

 No.586094

>>585596
He's not that good tbh, he generally can bullshit his way trough because the opposition is fucking lame and the media he goes in just let him.
One time he said there were something like 9 millions foreign people in France to a statistician (it's closer to 2m), the scientist thoroughly buttfucked Zemmour, the only thing he could say was that the statisticians and the statistic institutes were lying because he saw a lot of Arabs in the street. He's a proponent of "the great replacement" theory you see.
Frederic Lordon is leagues ahead of this dude for example.

 No.586097

considering the fact he is both a berber and a jew, I really doubt that the right would actually coalesce behind him.

 No.586099

>>585596
1) Make bullshit claims all day long,
2) Dismiss every opposing argument with a "mais bien sûr!" and an eyeroll,
3) Be omnipresent on TV thanks to Bolloré-senpai,
4) Don't even have to work that ward because the vast majority of the media clique already agrees with him.

That's it. And even then he occasionally gets owned in talk shows and shit, it just doesn't matter because he's always back.

 No.586103

xd

 No.586106

The fact WE WILL see NeoNazi /pol/yps applauding a French jude because he hates mudslimes (One of the Ethnic group that Hitler didn't actually ate as part of his Neo-Theosophist fever dream) is hilarious

 No.586120

>>586097
trump was a zionist and even though they claim to be anti zionist storm fags still loved him,

 No.586227

>>586106
We already see new nazis praising a half Jewish inbred Austrian German nationalist. This isn’t that huge of a transition

 No.586286

>>586277

 No.586301

>>586298
Do you watch Hitler speeches with English subs and come to the same conclusion?

 No.586306

>>586298
im watching and he talks about Joseph de Meistre (origin of blood and soil) and how lenin and stalin were the devil incarnate
its a sad day when a leftist can be swayed by such obvious faggotry

 No.586312

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>>586308
>Joseph de Maistre is a 101 basic Conservative writer like Burke. Nothing controversial about him. You read him in basic college political courses.
Okay, and?
>Well he is right wing I wouldn't expect him to like them but that doesn't mean he is literally Hitler because he hates SJW's. Everyone should hate them.
he says that modern communists have infiltrated the judicial system right after talking about how the Terror taught France to physically remove the "bad guys"
I dont see how this is based unless you're some r/stupidpolyp obsessed with idpol or something

 No.586323

>>586315
>You can't call him a Nazi because he quotes him. It's like calling someone a Nazi because they quote one of the founding fathers who owned slaves. Don't be cringe. Marx has some iffy quotes himself.
I never insinuated he was a nazi. He reminds me of a well read trump more than any nazi. Even though he considers himself a gaullist, I would still compare him to Philippe Pétain.
>Yes. Idpol is bourgeois infiltration of Communism.
<"progressivism is materialism made into a god"
the constant promotion of the false dichotomy that Marxism is sjw bs is not based my friend

 No.586325

>>586308
>he hates SJW's. Everyone should hate them.
Somehow I don't care about blue haired sociology students advocating for lesbianism, if anything I like them because they make the people I'm preoccupied with - that is the fascists - seethe.

 No.586330

>>586328
Thats not what zemmour says, to him and his followers, intersectionality and "women being fathers" is just an extention of Marxism

 No.586333

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>>586328
You're a retard, a living caricature.

 No.586341

>>586338
Lmfao he knows damn well, and is purposely misleading and appealing to his voter base about cultural Marxism
Again, not based, but very very cringe my laddy

 No.586342

>>586333
>that video
fucking kek
please tell me it's satire

 No.586344

>>586343
go back to /pol/ faggot

 No.586347

So "SJW" is basically the 21th century "judeo-bolchevik"
It kinda compute, Zemmour basically says the (((globalists))) are replacing the whites with African colonization of France

 No.586349

>>586343
The franklin school made the marxist cultural school of material progressivism to destroy the white race once and for all?

 No.586351

>>586347
This connection with the sjw strawman beomaned and blamed by the right with the old judeo-bolshevik and so on is extremely obvious to anyone thinking obectively

 No.586353

>>586349
>The franklin school made the marxist cultural school of material progressivism to destroy the white race once and for all?
and in the PoC bind them

 No.586356

>>586345
>>586353
Ill be honest, there are many more unironic nazbols on twitter than on /leftypol/

 No.586360

>>586357
Which work by Adorno start with?

 No.586365

>>586358
I had a list of 10 or so accounts but I guess they got banned/deleted

 No.586372

>>586060
>Grr muh africans
Put up the stats
> For you ideas to be true, immigration would be paid for by cab companies, McDonalds, and some firm with a contract connected to public welfare office to drive immigration.
That’s not how it works at all.

 No.586375

>>586361
Is this the one where he goes on a Ben Shaprio rant about African American music?

 No.586383

>>586381
Sounds authoritarian, was he attempting to fight fire with fire?

 No.586390

>>586383
>Authoritarian
Anyone who says this word unironically needs a swirly.

 No.586395

>>586384
>the book suggested that authoritarianism was rooted in suppressed homosexuality, which was redirected into outward hostility towards the father, which was, in turn, suppressed for fear of being infantilized and castrated by the father.
Okay, and?

 No.586401

>>586395
Are you an anarchist?

 No.586404

>>586401
what does it matter?
Zemmour is a cunt fascist African immigrant even if I was

 No.586409

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Why do we have Zemmour shills on fucking /leftypol/ of all places, putain de merde?
He is a Boloré asset, a talk-show idiot who has no clue about anything, said his model of a good society is Japan, the country with the lowest fertility rate and the lowest productivity per hour worked in the OECD because of rampant unpaid overtime, where the central bank exhausted regular quantitative easing and is currently buying stonks to keep the economy afloat, where they had bonds with negative interest rates for decades now. Zemmour's idea of a good functioning society is a slowly crumbling country with a ton of NEETs and apathetic salarymen, that's says it all.

The only thing is good at is opening his mouth to babble about "muh immigration". All his multi-millionaire friends love immigration, but it's a great boogeyman for boomers and becoming-boomers.
I mean, have you seen all these unruly youths wearing Lacoste in the streets lately? Shit, maybe they get violent because it's more profitable for them to extort random people and sell drugs than getting a regular underpaid bullshit job, because they live in the near hinterland of cities, where cheap brutalist buildings are crumbling and there is no more industry? No, it's immigration. Nevermind the fact that those faggots are sons of sons of immigrants. Nevermind the fact that capitalists loved the cheap labor of their grandfathers back when industry was profitable in France, or that France colonized a third of Africa.
Futhermore, have you seen those Muslim women bathing with burkinis on the beach? Mein gott, can you believe capitalist firms like Decathlon will sell a piece of clothing designed for Muslim women because it's profitable? What about muh republic, muh laïcité? This is really important stuff, we can't keep going on like this, it's French tradition for women to be topless on the beach, for God's sake!

There you have it, Zemmour in a nutshell. If he ever gain power, he will be like Trump in that basically nothing will change, but boomers will think it's really important matters whenever Muslim girls can wear the hijab inside a public library or not. France will still crumble due to neoliberal policies, as we have been during the last three decades, because his economic policies will be dictated by his billionaire friends in Paris. He is a nothingburger.

>>585317
Sad but true. Zemmour is a neolib with """politically incorrect""" talking points.

>>585323
>Melenchon will drop the woke shit and power up for the debates and wipe the floor with everyone
I wish he would, but he won't. Everyone hate him for some reason, even though he has the most sensible political program of them all, genuine socdem stuff France needs right now. France will be fucked for 5 years more.

>>585438
>He is not going to do anything different from when Sarkozy was in power, he is literally just a neocon zionist with new rhetoric
/thread

>>585513
It's nothing compared to the days when Apostrophes still existed.

 No.586414

>>586409
This is why being a leftist against immigration is the best of both words. No neoliberalism and no crime.

 No.586423

>>586414
>Implying you have anything to say about the matter
Having a stance on immigration rn is useless virtue signaling and culture war bullshit. Also, I genuinely hope immigrants ethnically replace your country, wherever you are, so I don’t have to be subject to these brainworms ever again.

 No.586428

>>586414
I don't give a fuck about immigration. It wouldn't exist if the Françafrique system wasn't a thing in the first place. End Françafrique, and French-speaking Africans will want to live in their countries again.
>>586423
>Having a stance on immigration rn is useless virtue signaling and culture war bullshit.
Exactly.

 No.586431

>>586423
Why do you hate third world countries? Braindrain is killing these countries and we can't afford welfare for all them. People who are pro-immigration are people who just want the collapse of their own nation.
>>586428
>French-speaking Africans will want to live in their countries again.
You don't actually believe this right lol

 No.586440

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>>586431
>Why do you hate social chauvinists?

 No.586447

>>586440
No one cares what a degenerate weeb thinks about the world

 No.586450

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>>586447

 No.586454

>>586431
>You don't actually believe this right lol
Why would they want to live in a crumbling neolib country with no jobs for them if they would have the means to develop their infrastructure and have 1980s China-like rates of growth instead of being plundered by their former colonies? Do you even know what Françafrique means, or are you just a burger /pol/yp who is pretending to be in the know of what's happening outside the Anglosphere?

 No.586460

>>586459
Because it's better than being plundered by their former colonies and China

 No.586468

>>586460
Trading raw materials for industrial machinery and infrastructure isn’t the same thing as exploitation

 No.586474

>>586460
Not my problem

 No.586476

>>586474
Unfortunately, it is.

 No.586477

>>586476
Yeah I know unless Zemmour wins. Trump in the United SJW of America banned Muslims for 120 days if this guy is more extreme he could probably do more.

 No.586479

>>586477
>Putting up border walls makes the problem disappear
These bans on immigration won’t do shit and will just marginalize the people who’re there into second class citizens

 No.586482

>>586479
It does work. My friends Grandma was literally stuck in Syria because of the ban.

 No.586485

>>586482
>It works because [anecdotal evidence]
Are syrian grandmas the primary labor demographic for unskilled, low-wage labor?

 No.586495

>>586490
Why?

 No.586496

>>586490
>ban muslims
> get stoop labor from Mexico instead
It’s a shell game.

 No.586504

>>586500
you're the same guy who was shilling for zemmour last time right?
petit bourgeois slovakian?

 No.586506

>>586500
it won't happen,and electing more rightists won't make it happen,this is a dead subject,you're either for "regulated" immigration where porky decides who enter,or you're for more loose immigration that won't be applied,or you lie and grift that you're totally going to ban immigration.
You can't do that in the EU,regardless of all the mental gymnastics you can employ,you WILL get slammed by brussels,and that will be the end of it. (that's also why most of melenchon program is laughed at,because it's NON APPLICABLE)

 No.586515

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>>586505

 No.586516

>>586515
why not engage with that guy in good faith instead?

 No.586518

>>586500
Falling rate of profit, you burger subhuman. Even if they didn’t come, the jobs would be shipped abroad and you still wouldn’t have your trad 50s family. Btw, do you know when things went to shit? In the 80s when reagan busted all the unions.

 No.586519

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>>586500
Christ, the absolute state of anti-immigration concern trolls. Are you pretending to be a socialist as a cope for not being able to compete with brown people in the labor market?
I find it hilarious that a settler is crying about the fact he can't survive without his privilege being codified into law (the reason you mentioned 1965) and that he's being replaced by invaders. Tough shit.

 No.586521

>>586516
He doesn’t deserve it. He’s some labor aristocrat or wannabe who’s mad the superprofit’s ran out and now he has to be around foreign people he doesn’t like.

 No.586523

>>586500
Point is the borg class isn’t going to stop all of it. That’s the point and you missed it.
The native population isn’t willing to rally around immigrant labor which is part of why we wont do the work they do. We no longer accept that treatment but will allow it to be done to the immigrant. Therefore the borg sees it in his interest to bring in the immigrant instead. That’s also been a tool in the pocket of the borg longer than 1964. You can look at how earlier European immigrants were treated in the states compared to native workers as an example.
So instead of attempting to reach into those communities to create solidarity, the mistake keeps being made again and again.
It’s another idpol trap.

 No.586527

>>586511
1.There are no sincere rightist,there are altanticist rightist,european rightist,and grifters.
2.Because there is no way to apply it,even if you were to go "oh,we're blocking immigration from other countries",you couldn't shut down the european borders,and most immigrants are already just moving through "pipelines" from spain and turkey,and you can't stop movement from those without breaking the most basic treaty of free movement between the nations,which nobody did all this time,even the true far-right governement in eastern europe.
At this point,it would be better to leave the EU,but there is no point in doing that for France,since the US doesn't give a shit about making it a vassal state,and they have a massive stake in the union itself (in a capitalist context obviously) with the formation of an european army for exemple.

 No.586530

<Zemmour has argued for a distancing of France from the United States, a closer relationship with Russia, as well as an increased independence from the European Union and its foreign policy. He has stated that the Normandy landings had been both a liberation but also a "colonization" of France by the United States. He has also called for a strengthening of the French Armed Forces, arguing that the only influence that France has retained on the international scene was due to the strength of its armed forces and its nuclear defense capabilities.[94] Zemmour supports a withdrawal from the NATO's integrated military command.[95][96][97]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Zemmour
Foreign policy-wise better than the neolibs, ngl.

 No.586537

>>586519
I mean, yes, social chauvinists deserve the wall as well, but keep in mind that unless you’re a labor aristo wannabe skilled labor thirdie soyface, most people don’t wanna leave home to go to an alien country where the alien people look at you with paternalistic condescension or hostility and suspicion.

Having to immigrate somewhere isn’t a good sign IMO, but that’s even more of a reason not to antagonize and marginalize immigrants

 No.586540

>>586527 (me)
inb4 somebody tells me about Asselinau,he's a meme,at the same level as Poutou on the left,don't even try.
>>586530
Do note that none of this is actually written in any program,since he still isn't an actual candidate,so it's subject to quite the massive changes,especially if it mirrors what happened to Le Pen campaign promises.

 No.586559

>>586530
Zemmour is a neolib on steroids and Russia is probably more liberal than the US at this point. Paradoxically one of the things that prevent European countries to go full shock therapy (besides workers movt/orgs) is the EU because they regulate the market heavily since it holds the principle of undistorted competition.
Withdrawal from NATO's integrated command is also stupid, it just means France will be in NATO but military ops will be messier and give a headache to officers.

 No.586629

>>586527
If France were to leave the EU, the EU would dissolve immediately, simple as.
>>586530
>an increased independence from the European Union and its foreign policy
You are either in the EU or you aren't. EU treaties are above national laws. It's all empty talk.
>>586468
>t. never seen the "it's all so tiresome" documentary

 No.586766

>>586530
How feasible is this though? CIA will stage a color revolution against him (no doubt antifa-themed in this case) the moment he tries to leave anything NATO or US related.

 No.586769

>>586766
Nah, western countries dont coup western countries

 No.586775

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>>586766

 No.586784

>>586629
>You are either in the EU or you aren't. EU treaties are above national laws. It's all empty talk.

Lol in your dreams, meanwhile in the real world there is a lot of leeway because the sanction/exclusion protocol is fucked up so Romania and Poland can basically do whatever they want by teaming up for example. If France decides to be more "independent" there will be no problem, might is right.

You rightoids really have a child tier understanding of politics

 No.586786

>>586784 (me)
>Romania
Meant Hungary

 No.586790

How is Mélenchon doing?

 No.586798

>>586790
9 to 13% as of now.
Low chances but he could make it to second turn.

 No.586869

Correct me if I'm wrong frenchbros but isn't this like the 2016 US elections
>TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS TRUMP WILL INSTITUTE HOLOCAUST 2 BECAUSE HE SAID MEAN STUFF ON TV!!!!!!44!!
>Hillary is going to save us all! Hurray!
>Bernie? What? Is that some kind of oriental dish?
Obviously replace the names of the politicians in the order of Zemmour, Macron and Melenchon

 No.586898

>>586769
They do, see Australia.

 No.586908

>>586869
someone else finally noticed it LOL

 No.586912

>>586097
You underestimate how idiotic and shallow their politics are.

 No.586933

>>586898
Im looking, what am I looking for

 No.586955

>>586951
>dilating over thicc
also that man is peak male performance, like it or not.

 No.590099

pic related will be the next french president

 No.590100

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 No.590229

>>585650
talk that talk uygha

 No.590252

>>586333
incredible vid

 No.590319

>>585936
So is los angeles and a ton of major cities across the western world or at least 50/50. doesn't mean shit of the broader electorate as a %

 No.590334

>>590319
Paris is not minority white, ethnic statistics aren't even allowed in France, the law basically says race is a spook.

 No.590340

>>590334
They have other secondary ways to make an estimate, but even if it is, that’s literally because no one will go to rural areas

 No.590356

File: 1636488084170.png (1.47 MB, 768x1024, ClipboardImage.png)

>>585204
BHL will never allow this anti-dreyfus scum to be elected

 No.590367

So long as liberals choose to remain willfully ignorant about how the consequences of their desires and priorities give rise to reactionaries, there will be continue to be more people like Zemmour, with each successive incarnation becoming only more popular and more dangerous.
I wouldn't be surprised if neo-fascism becomes the way of the west in the 21st century.

 No.590381

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>>586559
>Withdrawal from NATO's integrated command is also stupid
What have you said, anon??

 No.593000

>>590367
>I wouldn't be surprised if neo-fascism becomes the way of the west in the 21st century.
It will and that's a good thing. Fascism a la Gentile is practical socialism and plebs like it

 No.593005

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>>593000
>Fascism is Socialism
>Plebs like it

 No.593013

>>593005
>t. utterly clueless about Italian Fascism and Gentile
>believes in the narratives of the liberal superstructure
ngmi

 No.593018

>>593013
>Privatization, then failed autarky, then roman empire 2.0 is a viable economic system
>Mussolini wasn’t executed by his own people.

 No.593026

>>586431
>Braindrain is killing these countries and we can't afford welfare for all them. People who are pro-immigration are people who just want the collapse of their own nation.
This seems kinda contradictory. The first-world is brain-draining the third world and that brain drain will… collapse the first world? Erp.

 No.593035

>>593018
>>Privatization
To build the material productive forces in a rural economy
> autarky
a long term ideal
>roman empire 2.0
Egotistic larping from el duce
The social republic had nationalised 65% of the economy
WW2 did them in.Nothing else
>Mussolini wasn’t executed by his own people.
Correct. ML partisans are noone's people
Italians were very happy for 20 years with el duce

 No.593045

>>593035
>He thinks that Italy could function without starting a war of conquest
<But these Marxists are totally illegitimate, you guys!
How’s it feel knowing that Franco fucked up his economy so bad he had to bend over and spread his cheeks for neoliberals?

 No.593063

>>593026
It >>593045
>>He thinks that Italy could function without starting a war of conquest
Muh midwit trot narratives
Italy had 20 yrs of stable economic growth
>But these Marxists are totally illegitimate, you guys!
Marxism is absolutely correct on some issues but utterly wrong on others eg solutions
>How’s it feel knowing that Franco fucked up his economy
You're very uneducated.Franco wasn't a fascist.He marginalised the falangists.Read a book lad.

 No.593070

>>593026
It damages both the first and third world.Only capitalists benefit but then only for a limited time

 No.593073

>>593063
>Twenty years of stable growth
Until they didn’t. And even assuming the growth was true, it gave little benefit to the proletariat or peasantry
>Marxism is correct on some issues but wrong on others
<No, I will not elaborate
>Franco was a Falangist
<Not real fascism

 No.593074

>>593070
>No I will not explain

 No.593079

>>593074
>No I will not use my brain to have a serious discussion, I must be cringe

 No.593080

>>593073
>it gave little benefit to the proletariat or peasantry
Rubbish
> Franco was a Falangist
No he wasnt.Learn to read.The falangists were fascists.Franco was not and ignored their program and suggestions.after his victory. He completely marginalised them.Read a book.

 No.593085

>>593070
"First and third world" starts to get kinda abstract compared to talking about actual human beings, because presumably the immigrants would benefit too if they make more money.

I had dinner last night with a Thai man who is my parents' neighbor and he immigrated to the U.S. in 1969. He also lived at various times in China, Brazil, Israel and Mexico. He's retired now and said that if he had stayed in Thailand he wouldn't have had as many opportunities.

 No.593096

>>593085
Macro economics and national development cannot be discussed on the basis of individual life stories. What is good for some individuals may not be so good for their host or native countries

 No.593101

>>593005
Counterpoint, francoist spain was a co-op economy, now I don't think that co-ops are socialism, but most "antifascist" radlibs I talk to think they are. Well the co-op economy that they really want so badly, Franco did it.

 No.593110

>>593000
>Fascism a la Gentile is practical socialism and plebs like it
No, it's not, and they didn't.
>>593035
>To build the material productive forces in a rural economy
No, as a literal continual policy with no direct plan of ever ending it.
>a long term ideal
Complete impossibility in a global market, to the point it may as well be a myth. A capitalist market inherently integrates itself into the global supply chain, and thus by doing so develops commodity production dependent on such a supply chain, making "autarky" an impossibility.
>The social republic had nationalised 65% of the economy
And? How exactly does that negate what that anon stated?
>WW2 did them in.Nothing else
No, the economy was already massively stagnating prior to the war. By the time Italy even entered into the war, its industry was already arguably more backwards then even the USSR's and it's growth marginal.
>Correct. ML partisans are noone's people
It wasn't even only ML partisans who fought against him, and they literally are people of Italy. Mussolini was so despised by the end that there was little to no resistance to the transition of power that occured or the occupying forces that spread throughout the country. At least for Hitler you could argue there were those Nazi's who were willing to fight in his defense until the Red Army was at their door, the Italian fascists on the other hand just disintegrated.
>Italians were very happy for 20 years with el duce
Nah.
>>593063
>Muh midwit trot narratives
Not even a trot narrative, MLs state this as well. Italy absolutely relied on imperialism to function.
>Italy had 20 yrs of stable economic growth
Moving at a snails pace and domestic logistics being all kinds of fucked technically means "stable growth", so long as you contrast it to "complete and utter collapse". Fascist Italy was a state trying to ineptly work a "corporatist" model that only ever resulted in Mafia-esc domination of said "corporations" by the bourgeoisie within them, with the workers always only playing a minor role. But unlike Nazi Germany, it was one where little industry was inherited from the government before it, and thus the actual issues in actually developing itself while "managing" it's bourgeoisie were made more apparent. In Nazi Germany, the corporations already dominated from the get go, and so could just hit the peddle full throttle in regards to their interests and the growth of their industries. In Fascist Italy, the government played footsies with said corporations that had them constantly have to bargain and offer up things to them to get even the bare minimum done, with the whole thing being a squabble of differing bourgeoisie interests within the government and "out" of it.
>Marxism is absolutely correct on some issues but utterly wrong on others eg solutions
No, Marx is correct on practically all of the issues he addresses. There is only one thing in Capital III which truely warrants any questioning. His solution are entirely proper as well, and follow coherently from his theory.

 No.593140

>>593096
>Missing the point this hard
Do we need to draw a picture for you

 No.593146

>>586431
>Why do you hate third world countries? Braindrain is killing these countries and we can't afford welfare for all them. People who are pro-immigration are people who just want the collapse of their own nation.
People who are "anti-immigration" are still effectively "pro-immigration", as these two things are nothing more then a false dichotomy for what is a singular system of things. To even argue in regards to "anti-immigration" policy is to wholly misunderstand the relation between the state and the economy, and seeing it as some kind of genuine mediatior of capitalism rather then a monopoly on violence that functions as a tool of class rule. The whole immigration debate is one giant red herring that obfuscates the actual realtions of capitalism, and the fact that you can honestly state support for lobbying and trusting the bourgeoisie government to consiquentially engage in policy allegedly antithetical to itself means you still have liberal brainworms that you refuse to address. Hungary and it's continued flow of immigration despite said "policy" should already be proof enough to you, but apparently you all fall for SocDem logic the very minute immigration becomes a topic.

 No.593151

>>593110
not the gentile-stan
>In Nazi Germany, the corporations already dominated from the get go, and so could just hit the peddle full throttle in regards to their interests and the growth of their industries. In Fascist Italy, the government played footsies with said corporations that had them constantly have to bargain and offer up things to them to get even the bare minimum done, with the whole thing being a squabble of differing bourgeoisie interests within the government and "out" of it.
This is probaby because Germany had a successful bourgeois revolution whereas Italy's was put down and independence from Austria led directly to the Kingdom of Italy. The bourgeois did not have complete power, resulting in the constant faffing around to appease the bourgeoisie, while maintaining a monarchy/dictatorship.
Also, to be fair, I dont know much about Italy post roman empire. perhaps I should read up on it

 No.593152

>>585317
>Ancaps are just mask-on fascists
Imagine my shock

 No.593155

>>585650
Hot take
Nobody is white

 No.593169

>>593155
Galaxy brain take: Anybody to the south of me isn't white

 No.593171

>>593110
>>593151
Also Nazi Germany didn't really engage in corporatism, at least in the sense of creating official bodies to represent capitalists operating in certain sectors of the economy. This was only true for agriculture plus a single official trade union was created, but nothing else.

 No.593172

>>593155
That's true though. Whites have been mutts since the beginning.

 No.593175

>>593171
>Also Nazi Germany didn't really engage in corporatism
Never said they did. Bourgeoisie domination was far more direct, there was really no need for anything like Italian "corporations".

 No.621507

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5oGShopDU
Frenchies, is the situation over there really this bad? I thought we were fucked here in Germany but Jesus Christ…

 No.624062

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8IGBDK1BH8
He announced. This vid is a fucking masterpiece. He’d going to win…

 No.624076

>>624062
Cringe

 No.645701

>>585513
>>585513
> the PSL dude from the Empire Files
Do you mean Mike Prysner, the most based man ever?

 No.646567

>>585204
Our lil cousins at /pol/ think because he's Jewish, he is there purposely to divide and conquer Le Pen voters.
But overall, he never really gave any real policies besides what makes the people rile up. So, he is definitely a populist. We won't know his other motivations, but I am sure it would include supporting Israel.

Overall, I am not too worried. I think Macron would easily win if it was just the two of them.
Frenchies are not burgers.

 No.646572

>>646567
>Our lil cousins at /pol/ think because he's Jewish, he is there purposely to divide and conquer Le Pen voters.
I think it'd be funny if that were true, but no one believes /pol/ in the end because they've cried wolf about the Jews too much. It'd be like a South Park episode.

 No.646573

>>646572
It's ironic that places like /pol/ filled with a combination of edgelords having a joke and gayops+retards who thought it was serious, have cried wolf so much it just lends credibility to the pro-zionist claim of oppression
Useful idiots.

 No.646574

>>646567

I also think it's a bit suspicious, because he's guaranteed to spoil Le Pen. Seems to me like a way to dissent among the constantly-growing ranks of french reaction, similar to the Clintons encouraging Donald Trump's presidential run in 2016.

 No.646624

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>>646573
I was just looking at some pictures of Zemmour rallies and his party's website. I think he's bad and his ideas are bad, but the whole situation is also kinda funny to me. He is like an anti-Semitic person's caricature of a Jewish guy who trying to trick a bunch of gullible morons with spectacle that I almost admire it like you would admire a good liar.

 No.646627

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EU is the main reason why France has more power than its size. Surely French military and civilian officials would make it extremely for him to sabotage the European project?

 No.646630

>>646627
Extremely difficult*

 No.646642

>>646574
>I also think it's a bit suspicious, because he's guaranteed to spoil Le Pen. Seems to me like a way to dissent among the constantly-growing ranks of french reaction, similar to the Clintons encouraging Donald Trump's presidential run in 2016.
This didn't make sense a few weeks ago when you were proposing it and it still doesn't make sense now, anon. Go and see how elections work.Whichever gets to the second round will be supported by the other.

 No.646647

>>646642
I know how french elections work; fact is that campaigning against each other may involve attacks on one another, which would reduce the likelihood of a given reactionary frenchie to come out for the other candidate. For example, if Le Pen tries to paint him as "foreign" due to his algerian background, and then doesn't make it to the second round, some disgruntled voters might just stay home.

also i haven't posted about this before

 No.646833

>>646624
>token asian guy and Arab in the back

 No.646981

Fuck France

 No.647934

Lol Solidarność has just written a favorable op-ed on Zemmour in their magazine. They said : "Rural conservatives are counting on you, Monsieur Zemmour !"
They also interviewed Marine Le Pen.
Really makes one think.

 No.647956

**I'm not scared by Zemmour. Of course I hope that he loses, and in truth I would much rather see Macron win a second time. But what makes Zemmour dangerous isn't what he appears to be. What scares me about Zemmour is what mere his presence represents.
Zemmour is not a neo-Nazi or a fascist. He doesn't truly believe in what he preaches. He doesn't threaten any liberal democratic institutions - if anything, it's the opposite. His purpose is to pacify the populace, by telling them what they want and giving it to them in a controlled and safe manner. He wins debates because he is allowed to.
What Zemmour really represents is impotence. He represents the failure of the Yellow Vests, and of the left. If he wins, we will see more Zemmours in the future. If he loses, we will see more Zemmours in the future. What Zemmour represents is the void in the political space that he is filling in.**

 No.647960

>>646624
> He is like an anti-Semitic person's caricature of a Jewish guy who trying to trick a bunch of gullible morons with spectacle that I almost admire it like you would admire a good liar.
yeah, exactly
/pol/tards will get fucked over by another zionist

 No.648029

>>647956
>What Zemmour really represents is impotence.
Good post. I think the only rational response to Zemmour is total cynicism. It won't help at all, but neither will Zemmour, and at least you'll keep your dignity.

 No.648034

>>647956

based post

 No.648086

File: 1639661698942.png (Spoiler Image, 39.01 KB, 137x137, sniff.png)

>>646624

 No.648098

>>648086
Ahhh… l'amour…

 No.648101

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File: 1639662659018-1.png (16.07 KB, 645x770, 29a.png)


 No.648103

NOOOOOOO LEMOUR NOOOOOOOOO DON'T DO IT LEMOUR

 No.648108

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Pics of the neo-Nazi group "La Famille Gallicane" who are supporting Zemmour. This group recently filmed themselves shooting at racist caricatures of blacks and Jews. But Zemmour is… uhh… well never mind

Is this whole thing a glow op? The answer, probably.

 No.649317


 No.649826

>>647934
the eternal pole

 No.649973

>>648108
>to show the their devotion to nazi beliefs neo nazis have decided to shoot racist depiction of black and Jewish males while worshiping a black Jewish male

 No.649978

>>647956
Uhhh
Wouldn’t that mean what Zemmour represents is porky EU cucks tearing off the mask and replacing the “nice” fascism of neoliberalism with the bullet and the whip?

 No.650011

>>649978
No, you fucking idiot. Don't twist my words with your bullshit.

 No.650022

>>649978
Zemmour is backed by the billionaire Vincent Bolloré who shares his idpol and own several medias.

 No.652978

>>646833
the arab is front and center, actually

 No.653028

>>650022
Ce n’est supris pas pour moi ou chaque joue en France.

 No.653311

Wont he just split and divide the far right though?

 No.653321

>>653311
Non, les politics de France est tres reactionarie en temp modern. Personnes aiment Zemmour meme recevoit le chance c’est un probleme avec France, non juste le chance ou les chances de l’autres aiment son gagnent les elections

 No.653493

>>647956
Unusual objectivity for this sphere.

 No.653528

France is already a capitalist imperialist power based on global exploitation and national subjegation. France is already ruled by destructive fascist cliques—all of which will happily crush the vast majority who identify them as a cause of their problems. All of the French bourgeoise factions (and these factions range from the fascist headcrackers from the French social-democratic parties which were in power to Neoliberals and far-right) are heading towards a state which oppresses the people with military force. Zemmour is just a continuation of Petain's pro-German clique that has subsisted off of American cash from Gladio onwards in the form of the National Front and various rightist terror groups.

This means that it is power of capitalism's dictatorship (the overall anti-democratic bourgeoise state) should be the main target of anti-fascism, as opposed this or that faction of the bourgeoisie. It's not like this is a revolutionary divergence from Dmitrov's line of the anti-fascist United Front being an organization lead by proles, but this characterization of the state as something to be opposed on the basis of it's anti-democratic character is a divergence from Marxism-Leninism into Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. I personally thinking in terms of Maoism help us evaluate contradictions far more than thinking in the terms of peaceful coexistence and reform offered by Trotskyists and Brehznev apologists.

 No.653529

>>646981
b-b-but my patriotic social democracy..

 No.653530

phone posting god will forgive my typos

 No.653536

>>648101
that guy is cute

 No.653537

>>653311
yes he is deployed to take away votes from le pen
macron and others are unaffected

 No.665103

>>586333
>that vid

I laugh and then I remember that this is how most conservatives see the world.


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