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 No.616758[Last 50 Posts]

I got into an argument with my mom about christmas saying it's nothing more than a time of the year when workers are more exploited, I told her that post revolution old religious practices would be abolished anyhow. She's not an all out fascist but she says things like 'I'm not racist but' and that she's for gay rights but 'unsure if they should adopt'. I haven't spoke to her in a month but I saw there's a new Christmas commercial that defends LGBT rights and depicts Santa as gay.

In theory, is it reasonable to celebrate something like Christmas if it can be used to advance progressive and leftist ideals rather than give it up altogether? If so, might it be better if I saw my mom over Christmas and just used the time to educate her about dialectical materialism? Using this commercial, which is something of a cultural milestone, as a common ground.

 No.616763

…Maybe your mom is confused by the fact that you filter literally everything through the perspective of communism and are ranting about how Christmas will be abolished under socialism because work sucks even though most people actually like Christmas time?

This sort of slots into the bizarre
>Under socialism fun will be banned because labor/your job will be how you have fun
Type shit I always read here that honestly seems like it could have been written by Radio Free Europe or something

 No.616765

>>616763
>most people actually like Christmas time?

Most people think they like capitalism, should we just tolerate that too?

 No.616767

stop preaching and have a normal holiday dinner with your family

 No.616768

>>616763
Banning Christmas would only be in part due to the exploitation of third world labor. It would also be recognized as a manifestation of a backwards, often patriarchal religious mode of thinking with no a place in a society which takes a materialist approach to living.

 No.616769

The sage, professor and wise Maupin taught us Jesus is a socialist, and christmas is the celebration of Jesus birth, therefore you should celebrate christmas if you're a socialist

 No.616770

>>616765
uygha can I ask why you want to control people's minds beyond reason?
Like, why exactly should everyone be barred from holidays and festivals because of your personal dislike of them?
Why not just break capitalism's current hold on our festivities and communal rituals instead of just deciding they shouldn't exist at all like some seething high schooler?

So many people here seethe when I criticize this board, yet I criticize it because half the crap I read here comes off as just edgy misanthropic teenagers. Maybe shit like this just turns your mom away from socialism?

Were you even trying to convince her of anything, or were you just saying outrageous shit for a reaction?

 No.616771

>>616769
forgot image

 No.616772

>Under socialism fun will be banned because labor/your job will be how you have fun

The radical notion that we should address alienation and make employment a desirable prospect, rather than reducing people to finding enjoyment in meaningless eurocentric 'traditions'.

 No.616774

I got into an argument with my mom about taking the garbage out saying taking out the garbage will be abolished post-revolution and then she sent me to my room and I said I hated her and slammed the door.

 No.616776

>>616765
>Most people think they like capitalism,
Haha retard, what?

 No.616777

>>616774
what a tankie

 No.616778

>>616768
Christmas is barely a religious holiday for most people, people just like festivities. Honestly I'm getting sick of takes that basically center on how in socialism life will be work and nothing else and that's a good thing. Who tf is this supposed to appeal to outside of socially outcasted university kids?

Like, what point is there really in destroying Christmas and other holidays/festivals other than that they are popular and deeply embedded in our culture?

Like, the funny thing is that whenever people write this sort of shit they're revealing they absolutely never believe the masses will have any sort of say in their warped version of "socialism" and also expect to be the ones giving orders.

Why don't you ask yourself this, rather than considering if you, some unelected uni student would get rid of Christmas if you had the chance, why not ask if all proles would choose to delete the entire holiday if given the choice?

 No.616780

>>616774
your mom is confirmed red fascist

 No.616781

>I told her that post revolution old religious practices would be abolished anyhow

 No.616782

The people’s war on Christmas has begun for another year

 No.616787

>>616772
No problem with that notion
The problem is warping it into effectively arguing nothing should therefore exist outside of labor
Socialism has existed for a third of the world, we literally can go by actual experience here

It turns out under actual socialism boring ass repetitive labor didn't suddenly become amazing and fulfilling just because you have a democratic workplace and more free time

It became more bearable because of those things, but work in itself isn't intrinsically enjoyable

 No.616788

>>616781

North Korea is thriving and it made no concessions to any traditions that could contradict or impede the will of the people and socialism.

 No.616790

>>616788
North Korea didn't completely erase every aspect of traditional Korean culture. Explain to me how the celebration of Christmas would impede socialism.

 No.616792

>>616770
are you mad settler anarkiddy? we will control every thought that passes through your mind

 No.616793

>>616790
Because normies like Christmas
Fuck em
>>616792
The sheer irony of calling me a settler

 No.616794

>>616781
Santa in a spaceship
Argument status: eviscerated

 No.616795

>>616794
You fool, he's clearly working at mission control.

 No.616796

>>616790
It's emphasis on the nuclear family and gathering of larger family units which freezes out individuals without access to these things. Family has been historically weaponised by fascists.
It's roots in patriarchal superstition which has historically worked against socialism in favor of religion.
It's ability to distract from adherence to the party line and revolutionary principles.
Its historic emphasis on consumerism which would not be easily shaken.

 No.616799

>>616796
The Christmas festival originates from when most people lived in fucking villages and would do entire communal celebrations, and most people actually like spending time with their family as shocking as that may be to you

I don't know how tf Christmas is patriarchal, because Santa is a guy? Because Jesus is a male? I don't think males existing = patriarchy

And above all else obviously a society itself determines the meanings of their customs, the traditions don't have some inherent immutable meaning

Honestly I don't think you know much about what you're discussing and are just seething at something your mom/most people like

 No.616800

>>616796
>It's emphasis on the nuclear family
The celebration of Christmas predates the nuclear family by about 1400 years.
>gathering of larger family units which freezes out individuals without access to these things
Does this mean we should cancel sports because some people can't walk?
>Family has been historically weaponised by fascists.
Again, family structures of some form or another are literally universal to humanity. Unlike capitalism, family units actually are human nature. Even the "abolition" of the family as proposed by Engels was in reality a transformation to a new form.
>It's ability to distract from adherence to the party line and revolutionary principles.
You could say this about literally anything.
>Its historic emphasis on consumerism
Christmas predates the existence of consumerism for nearly the entirety of its existence. There is no reason to expect that its consumerist nature couldn't be eliminated as quickly as it was introduce.

 No.616803

>>616796
>It's ability to distract from adherence to the party line and revolutionary principles.
Also honestly I think 1984 has mentally fucked western communists more than it has western normies
Or maybe just the people here
Like, one of your criticisms of Christmas is that it isn't sanctioned thought allowed by the party (that exists in your mind of course)? Literally just distracting people from worshipping the party? Hello, Mr. Orwell?

 No.616805

>>616800
>The celebration of Christmas predates the nuclear family by about 1400 years.
>Christmas predates the existence of consumerism for nearly the entirety of its existence. There is no reason to expect that its consumerist nature couldn't be eliminated as quickly as it was introduce.
These are the funniest parts about his shitty strawman
The Christmas festival damn near predates feudalism

 No.616806

>>616800
>family units actually are human nature.

They're no less human nature than socialist cadres, in popular consciousness family has been uplifted to a sort of untouchable status simply owing to the fact they exist.
>Does this mean we should cancel sports because some people can't walk?
We have paralympics.
>The celebration of Christmas predates the nuclear family by about 1400 years.
Most people would have no comprehension of what Christmas was like outside the context of our age. The choice then, is waste precious time and resources on reshaping Christmas, or just let it go from a party level and let society follow. You woudln't even need to make a big deal out of its abolition.

 No.616808

>>616806
Keep it mind, my original point was how Christmas can be reenvisioned, in line with this commercial from Norway. Whilst I wouldn't miss it, I'd be interested in what kind of political use the holiday represents.

 No.616818

>>616770
Most sane anprim.

 No.616824

>>616805
>The Christmas festival damn near predates feudalism
The pagan precursors (Yule, Saturnalia, Sol Invictus, etc.) from which it derives most of its traditions definitely do.
>>616806
>They're no less human nature than socialist cadres
Yes they are, since unlike most institutions they exist in one form or another across all cultures, regardless of time, place, or mode of production. They even exist in our closest non-human relatives.
>We have paralympics.
Some people are quadriplegic. Besides you're missing the point. Some people not being able to participate in something is not a valid reason to prevent everybody from doing it. What's more, half the point of Christmas is charity and community, meaning that people with no blood relatives can still spend it with close friends and their families, which they often do already.
>Most people would have no comprehension of what Christmas was like outside the context of our age.
That's sort of the point. Christmas, like virtually all religious traditions and other superstructural elements, has no essence independent of the social forces which shape it. Modern, consumerist Christmas could not have existed in the middle ages, and by the same token it could not exist under socialism.

 No.616825

>>616806
>They're no less human nature than socialist cadres, in popular consciousness family has been uplifted to a sort of untouchable status simply owing to the fact they exist.
A thing that has existed before modern humans did is no more human nature than a political ideology from the 19th Century? Really nigha?
>Most people would have no comprehension of what Christmas was like outside the context of our age. The choice then, is waste precious time and resources on reshaping Christmas, or just let it go from a party level and let society follow. You woudln't even need to make a big deal out of its abolition.
Why are you even talking as if this is YOUR choice to make? Why is this for YOU to decide? Even other communists here disagree with you. What, you think YOU should decide what the entire proletariat wants? What about what we want? What makes you so special, cunt?
And obviously the meaning and traditions of Christmas would change in a socialist society if the festival continued to exist, just like it changed from feudalism to capitalism.

 No.616826

>>616758
pristine bait 10/10
please focus your creative effort in other ways

 No.616827

>>616818
Lol
Not actually an anprim
I am an eco-socialist
I use this flag because i think the Sixth Mass Extinction is the most important crisis of the modern day and that only a social and technological revolution can overcome it

 No.616829

>>616763
>Christmas will be abolished under socialism because work sucks
Now I know what to rant about at Thanksgiving today, thanks anprim anon.

 No.616832

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>>616758
>I got into an argument with my mom about christmas saying it's nothing more than a time of the year when workers are more exploited
well its definitely more then that.
> told her that post revolution old religious practices would be abolished anyhow.
but this has never happened nor has any Marxist said it would, maybe some fringe ones you find on the internet.

>Christmas commercial that defends LGBT rights and depicts Santa as gay.

>In theory, is it reasonable to celebrate something like Christmas if it can be used to advance progressive and leftist ideals rather than give it up altogether?
using MUH GAYS to sell Product™ is neither progressive or marxist

>Using this commercial, which is something of a cultural milestone, as a common ground

you could use it to show how capitalism is destroying time honored traditions you might have a better chance that way.
also talking politics with family is a waste of time why can't you just enjoy the holidays

 No.616834

>>616788
north korea isn't thriving however they didn't get rid of their past traditions either

 No.616836

>>616832
>you could use it to show how capitalism is destroying time honored traditions

The destruction of time honored traditions sounds like a fascist talking point. Honestly, it's something I could imagine her getting onboard with. That LGBT representation is a thread to 'tradition'.

 No.616841

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>>616836
>The destruction of time honored traditions sounds like a fascist talking point
it would do you better to analyze what is being said rather then your feels when you hear it
>Honestly, it's something I could imagine her getting onboard with. That LGBT representation is a thread to 'tradition'.
your mom is probably more pro LGBT then the soviets were pic related

 No.616842

Man it's funny
This thread just makes me ask how many posters warp leftism into being about sticking it to their parents and the people from high school/college and little else
I know it isn't everyone since there are plenty of good posters here
But it is certainly a significant amount

 No.616845

>>616841
>your mom is probably more pro LGBT then the soviets were
I don't think his mom single-handedly decriminalized homosexuality in one of the most important countries of the world

 No.616848

>>616841
Marx developed beyond Hegel, Stalin developed beyond Marxist-Leninism, Trotsky developed beyond all of these things. We should absolutely spend time addressing problematic things said by Communists historically, but not be demoralised by them. The fact is, every demonstration I have attended has been racially diverse and LGBT inclusive. Only online do I see people arguing we should view homophobia as being an aspect of socialism because of its historic position in popular consciousness.

What interests me is that if we successfully purged homophobia, why would reevaluating christmas be out of the question?

 No.616849

>>616845
Is that all you're able to reply to?
Cope

 No.616851

CHRISTMAS IS A SHIT
Halloween is the true communist holiday. Also fuck Maupin Jesus wasn't a socialist, he was an-pac.

 No.616854

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>>616842
This thread was obvious pol bait from the begining, most posters are watching you repeatedly bite like the autist you are and cringing at your ongoing war against the bad leftypolers in your head.

 No.616856

>>616851
Halloween is unironically more porkified than Christmas
>>616848
Literally what's wrong with Christmas other than your personal dislike of it and the retarded
>We live in a society
Tier attack on the holiday you came up with?

I'm guessing next you'll argue that games, toys, songs, dancing, parties, narcotics, etc. will all be banned under socialism and you'll proudly hail a society more prone to manipulation by US advertising than the fucking Warsaw Pact

 No.616857

>>616845
That was pretty short lived.
>In 1933, the Soviet government under Stalin recriminalised sex between men. On 7 March 1934, Article 121 was added to the criminal code for the entire Soviet Union that expressly prohibited only male homosexuality, with up to five years of hard labour in prison. There were no criminal statutes regarding sex between women. During the Soviet regime, Western observers believed that between 800 and 1,000 men were imprisoned each year under Article 121
https://www.uscis.gov/archive/resource-information-center-russia-0

 No.616859

>>616854
>Dude OP was just pretending to be retarded
<your ongoing war against the bad leftypolers in your head.
The sheer irony of saying this in a thread that's pretty par the course for leftypol
Why don't you send this reply to everyone else, or is seething just reserved for anyone that criticizes your precious internet forum?

I swear the children i teach can take criticism easier than the some of the people here

 No.616860

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>>616857
<Western observers believed
my sides

 No.616861

>>616857
It was long lived for the women at least

 No.616862

>>616848
>Marx developed beyond Hegel, Stalin developed beyond Marxist-Leninism
>Trotsky developed beyond all of these things
and this is true why? do you have a historical precedent for the further development that is Trotskyism?
>We should absolutely spend time addressing problematic things said by Communists historically, but not be demoralised by them
and who decides what is "problematic"? You? western academics sponsored by Coca cola? spouting rad lib platitudes seems more problematic
>The fact is, every demonstration I have attended has been racially diverse and LGBT inclusive.
yes liberals love this.
>Only online do I see people arguing we should view homophobia as being an aspect of socialism
who said this?
>What interests me is that if we successfully purged homophobia,
depends what you mean by "homophobia"
>why would reevaluating christmas be out of the question?
why would it even be in question?

 No.616863

>>616860
do you have a better source?

 No.616865

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>>616859
>>Dude OP was just pretending to be retarded
Yes. Are you honestly so autistic you cannot navigate the pol/tourist shitposts? I always thought you kind of knew but always bite anyway because you for some reason like to hear your own thoughts.
>Why don't you send this reply to everyone else
Becayse you spend every day bumping tourist shitposts to tell us how bad we all are. Its tiresome. Be less of a sped.

 No.616867

OP here. The prevailing sentiment here seems to be that because a lot of people like Christmas we should keep Christmas, regardless of any reasonable arguments against Christmas. I feel we should approach Christmas in terms of its usefulness to leftism and advancing progressive ideals, in this case, having commercials engage in social commentary rather than merely selling products. Using time with family members to distribute leftist literature or inspire discussion, specifically challenging reactionary family members.

Thankyou for your time, the abolition of Christmas was the extreme end of possibilities, but not the only possibility I was arguing in favor of. Whilst I have little sympathy for fascist talking points like 'tradition', whatever fondness the working class have for Christmas should be taken into account so that it may later benefit us politically.

 No.616868

>>616865
>Yes. Are you honestly so autistic you cannot navigate the pol/tourist shitposts? I always thought you kind of knew but always bite anyway because you for some reason like to hear your own thoughts.
<everyone who is stupid is just a pol shitposter
there are plenty of people who are genuinely retarded

 No.616869

>>616865
>Are you honestly so autistic you cannot navigate the pol/tourist shitposts?
Holy shit
You actually are like the literal 6 year olds I teach
<No dude, this isn't a pretty typical "DAE fun will be banned in socialism" post this board gets at least once a week, this is a "pol tourist" like every particular adolescent thread that gets posted
<Don't you know in my perfect board it is impossible for stupid ass threads to regularly be created by frequent users, it's all pol, literally everything bad is pol, you aren't allowed to say mean things to me :(

 No.616871

>>616867
Come back when you finish up high school

 No.616872

>>616869
>nooo it isnt pol you're all just stupid children!!!!
Grow tf up. You do this every day instead of letting their failed baits die, it is just sad.

 No.616874

>>616867
>The prevailing sentiment here seems to be that because a lot of people like Christmas we should keep Christmas, regardless of any reasonable arguments against Christmas
You missed the point.
Holidays aren't something that is decided upon by one person are a committee.
People like christmas and people enjoy community and in human society holidays and celebrations as arisen in multiple times throughout the year.
Your arguments against christmas are meaningless

>I feel we should approach Christmas in terms of its usefulness to leftism and advancing progressive ideals, in this case, having commercials engage in social commentary rather than merely selling products

you seem to be cheering on the bourgeois when they promote your idea of what "progressive values" are in order to sell product.
Commercials exist to sell a product, how do you imagine them coming about to "engage in societal commentary"? Its like you want something to exist that doesn't but refuse to acknowledge why its alternative exists in its place

>Using time with family members to distribute leftist literature or inspire discussion, specifically challenging reactionary family members.

its like you've replace religion with politics

>Thankyou for your time, the abolition of Christmas was the extreme end of possibilities, but not the only possibility I was arguing in favor of. Whilst I have little sympathy for fascist talking points like 'tradition', whatever fondness the working class have for Christmas should be taken into account so that it may later benefit us politically.

funny how you refused to engage with the points made against you
2/10 bait

 No.616877

>>616872
You keep bumping this thread yourself, you utter sped
No this is almost definitely a dumbass teen, honestly it's pathetic how so many posters here will claim every stupid thread that gets posted is just another /pol/ falseflag

What reason do you even have to believe that other than not wanting this board to look bad?

 No.616879

>>616874
>funny how you refused to engage with the points made against you

That's not true, I directly addressed homophobia in the soviet union and how the nature of Christmas has shifted historically based on socio-economic factor. I have directly engaged with several of the repliers here, otherwise the thread would have been for nothing. My opinion is just that, and has perhaps been changed somewhat by some of the good perspectives here.

 No.616880

Daily reminder Christianity was the best tool porky had to stomp out American communism during the Cold War.

 No.616882

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>>616877
Are you genuinely retarded? Hoky shit..
It reads exactly like how your average right wing burgers believe left wing people think, not an authentic opinion by a lefty random.
Get the fuck out with this pretending not to see it in order to posture about how much smarter you are. You are one of the most infantile posters here.

 No.616883

culture war struggle session thread #198838382

 No.616884

>>616879
>That's not true
>I directly addressed homophobia in the soviet union
yes 1 thing lmao.
>I directly addressed homophobia in the soviet union
and your addressed was blown tf out.

>Marx developed beyond Hegel, Stalin developed beyond Marxist-Leninism

>Trotsky developed beyond all of these things
and this is true why? do you have a historical precedent for the further development that is Trotskyism?
>We should absolutely spend time addressing problematic things said by Communists historically, but not be demoralised by them
and who decides what is "problematic"? You? western academics sponsored by Coca cola? spouting rad lib platitudes seems more problematic
>The fact is, every demonstration I have attended has been racially diverse and LGBT inclusive.
yes liberals love this.
>Only online do I see people arguing we should view homophobia as being an aspect of socialism
who said this?
>What interests me is that if we successfully purged homophobia,
depends what you mean by "homophobia"
>why would reevaluating christmas be out of the question?
why would it even be in question?

>I have directly engaged with several of the repliers here, otherwise the thread would have been for nothing. My opinion is just that, and has perhaps been changed somewhat by some of the good perspectives here.

and now you're running with your tail between your legs when you can't defend your shitposts

 No.616885

>>616880
good.
western "leftists" are shit.

 No.616887

>>616882
>It reads exactly like how your average right wing burgers believe left wing people think, not an authentic opinion by a lefty random.
Do you have any idea how many teenagers here read retard tier anticommunist propaganda, fully believe it, and just decide it's cool and based?
Regardless of anything else you're still bumping the thread yourself. You have two options, either stop engaging, or help me argue against retarded ideas, instead of seething about how dare I point out this thread is entirely typical of the board.

 No.616890

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>>616877
Are you genuinely retarded? Hoky shit..
It reads exactly like how your average right wing burgers believe left wing people think, not an authentic opinion by a lefty random.
Get the fuck out with this pretending not to see it in order to posture about how much smarter you are. You are one of the most infantile posters here.

 No.616892

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>>616887
>how dare I point out this thread is entirely typical of the board.
Itself it is becoming more so it is in part because you spend every day pretending they are legitimate opinions people have and amplifying said threads. You are the problem here anon.

 No.616894

>>616884
>and your addressed was blown tf out.

How was it? I asserted that socialism is not some kind of time freeze ideology, and the future need not be shaped by what was said in the past. And likely won't be if we're engaged seriously and rationally in making the world a better place based on our understanding of historic developments and our present conditions.

Sorry, but the rest of your post just feels like crypto fascism. No matter how many times I read the same rant about 'radlib' or 'idpol', it's not changing the reality that minority communities are uniquely impacted on by capitalism and we're actually beginning to address that fact to the mainstream.

 No.616896

>>616894
>How was it? I asserted that socialism is not some kind of time freeze ideology,
>Marx developed beyond Hegel, Stalin developed beyond Marxist-Leninism
>Trotsky developed beyond all of these things
and this is true why? do you have a historical precedent for the further development that is Trotskyism?
>And likely won't be if we're engaged seriously and rationally in making the world a better place based on our understanding of historic developments and our present conditions.
>We should absolutely spend time addressing problematic things said by Communists historically, but not be demoralised by them
and who decides what is "problematic"? You? western academics sponsored by Coca cola? spouting rad lib platitudes seems more problematic
>Sorry, but the rest of your post just feels like crypto fascism.
feels over reels I see.
>No matter how many times I read the same rant about 'radlib' or 'idpol', it's not changing the reality that minority communities are uniquely impacted on by capitalism and we're actually beginning to address that fact to the mainstream.
so you refuse to have a material analysis of the situation rather you go for the feel good rad lib platitudes
hilarious

 No.616911

<thread
this website is hopeless

 No.616913

>>616880
Fuck snitches.

 No.616915

go back

 No.616916

Let OP stand as silent testimony that Mao did nothing wrong when he sent the educated youth down to the country to do some real work

 No.616920

>>616896

Seeth and cope, African Communists or "idpol Liberals" according to you, formed the vanguard of the most revolutionary party in the entire history of the fake country you call USA. Every American Communist Party led by white retards who dogmatically focus on "muh class" together with a big section of white union workers all ended up collaborating with the white capitalist class and stabbing African union workers in the back.

But still to this day you retards are unable to comprehend these dangers of class collaboration of the white section of workers, you get a fucking meltdown when we mention other contradictions like the internal african and native colonies, you start screeching that "IT WILL DIVIDE MUH WORKERS", while in history it has been PROVEN that only focusing on the abstraction of class, ignoring the Negro and Native Question ALWAYS led to the BETRAYAL of white workers in the USA

 No.616928

>>616920
>Seeth and cope
your cope is acknowledged

 No.616940

>>616920
>abstraction of class
don't you get tired of being banned?

 No.616952

>>616950
go back faggot

 No.616954

OP, through my medical expertise I pronounce you terminally online ideology-addled subject.

 No.616962

>>616758
Hello there, /pol/. It's so obvious this is a false flag by a /pol/tard. Or this person is a literal teenaged retard.

Either way, SAGE this topic.

 No.616974

>>616758
OP strikes me as embodying the qualities of both falsity and of that of a homosexual.

 No.616987

>n theory, is it reasonable to celebrate something like Christmas
yes because I like it
if anything a socialist state could make it better by actually giving people time off

 No.617000

Reminder that Christmas is a pagan holiday.
They would chop down a tree and hang poisonous psychedelic mushrooms from it until they dried.
Then, they would feed them to reindeer, and collect the reindeer piss to drink. The deer acted as a filter for the toxins in the mushrooms, and kept all the psylocibin in tact.

 No.617004

>>616867
>aving commercials engage in social commentary rather than merely selling products.
any social commentary from a goddamn commercial will be hollow, and meaningless
scompared to what the people who paid for the commercial really care about, selling shit , do you get your thoughts on pacifism vs violence from the fucking Kendall Jenner Pepsi add?
> Using time with family members to distribute leftist literature or inspire discussion, specifically challenging reactionary family members.
starting pointless arguments ruining it for everyone how just wants to have a meal with their family

 No.617067

>>616880
>>616913
>muh snitching

Yet you would have 100% done the same thing had you been in his position. Don’t lie.

 No.617071

>>616758
>I got into an argument with my mom about christmas saying it's nothing more than a time of the year when workers are more exploited
You have the mind of a contrarian 15 year old anarchists and need to grow over your need to push your analysis of the problems of society into places they need not go. Symbols and holidays are whatever we make them, they are whatever we feel is most important about them. To most, christmas is a time of family, being together, of caring about each other.

Some day you will get over your contrarianism and realize that communism is not about showing how edgy and woke you are, but about collectivising the means of production, and building an egalitarian society, improving it, and making it more fun, and not about making capitalism even less fun by shitting all over the little joys people have.

 No.617074

>>616758
you are 16yo

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>>617000
>psylocibin
https://faculty.washington.edu/chinletler/mush.html
>the Amanita muscaria does not contain psilocybin or psilocin. Rather, the hallucinogenic chemicals this mushroom contain are muscimol and ibotenic acid.
https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics/amanita-muscaria/
>By virtue of its psychoactive effects, A. muscaria is often referred to as a “magic mushroom”, but compared to psilocybin-containing mushrooms, the effects are very different. A. muscaria does not contain psilocybin or psilocin. The active compounds in this mushroom are muscimol and ibotenic acid, with muscimol (a selective agonist for the GABAA receptor) having a sedative, depressant, and deliriant effect.



>Amanita muscaria contains several biologically active agents, at least one of which, muscimol, is known to be psychoactive. Ibotenic acid, a neurotoxin, serves as a prodrug to muscimol, with approximately 10–20% converting to muscimol after ingestion. An active dose in adults is approximately 6 mg muscimol or 30 to 60 mg ibotenic acid;[50][51] this is typically about the amount found in one cap of Amanita muscaria.[52] The amount and ratio of chemical compounds per mushroom varies widely from region to region and season to season, which can further confuse the issue. Spring and summer mushrooms have been reported to contain up to 10 times more ibotenic acid and muscimol than autumn fruitings.[46]


>A fatal dose has been calculated as 15 caps.[53] Deaths from this fungus A. muscaria have been reported in historical journal articles and newspaper reports,[54][55][56] but with modern medical treatment, fatal poisoning from ingesting this mushroom is extremely rare.[57] Many books list Amanita muscaria as deadly,[58] but according to David Arora, this is an error that implies the mushroom is more toxic than it is.[59] The North American Mycological Association has stated that there were "no reliably documented cases of death from toxins in these mushrooms in the past 100 years".[60]


>Amanita ocreata, commonly known as the death angel, destroying angel, angel of death or more precisely western North American destroying angel, is a deadly poisonous basidiomycete fungus, one of many in the genus Amanita. Similar in toxicity to the death cap (A. phalloides) and destroying angels of Europe (A. virosa) and eastern North America (A. bisporigera), it is a potentially deadly fungus responsible for several poisonings in California.[2] Its principal toxic constituent, α-amanitin, damages the liver and kidneys, often fatally, and has no known antidote, though silybin and N-acetylcysteine show promise.[3] The initial symptoms are gastrointestinal and include abdominal pain, diarrhea and vomiting. These subside temporarily after 2–3 days, though ongoing damage to internal organs during this time is common; symptoms of jaundice, diarrhea, delirium, seizures, and coma may follow with death from liver failure 6–16 days post ingestion.


be careful with mushrooms

 No.617097

>A commercial that depicts santa as gay
Fuck this shit society, I don't have anything against gays, but why do this? Just to appeal to people fuck that.

 No.617098

youre a loser

 No.617102

>>617097
Welcome to rainbow capitalism. Now Santa is divorced because he married due to societal pressures.
JUST KIDDING MRS.CLAUS IS NOW MR.CLAUS FtM AND St. Nick CAN SUCK HIS FUCKING CLIT

 No.617107

>>617097
You still haven't figured this out ?
They just wanted a controversial Santa, it gets more exposure, because people argue about it.

 No.617140

>>617093
That's why they fed them to reindeers and drank the piss

 No.617141

>>617102
What is Mrs. Claus' first name?

 No.617144

Christmas is a joke and should not be celebrated, whether on a religious or consumerist basis.

 No.617146

>>617067
None of us would have been in that position in the first place.

 No.617160

Fuck christmas fuck the holidays and all the chaos this time of year brings. Religion is retard AF anyway and thanksgiving is just an insult to a whole 2 continents of people. Holidays such as thanksgiving, christmas, and hanukkah have no place in leftism. New years is cool though, it's like it was made for fun, sex and partying

 No.617169

>>617160
New Year's is shit as well.
The only events worth celebrating are anniversaries of communist triumphs like the Paris Commune, Great October, Victory Day etc.

 No.617172

>>617169
>New Year's is shit as well.
You didn't get laid did you? It's okay I rarely pull through either.

 No.617179

>>617169
Nigha
You need to get your dick wet and get some fucking friends ASAP

 No.617214

Under communism we will have Christmas every single day
if you don't agree you are not a real communist

 No.617250

>>617144
cringe and out of touch

 No.617252

>>617160
>a whole 2 continents of people
lmao wrecked

 No.617253

>>617160
>being this NuConsumerist

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>>617260
>reindeer eating mushrooms on there own
What are you trying to say? The mushrooms don't contain psilocybin. People eat them raw and drink each others piss as well. They do it to preserve the drug not filter anything.

 No.618112

>>617000
I took psilocybin on Christmas eve once.
It really made me feel the Christmas spirit spook.
The experience was very enjoyable.

 No.618115

>I got into an argument with my mom
stopped reading right there

 No.618431

File: 1637955402390.jpg (727.03 KB, 1555x1920, santa marx.jpg)

>keeps a list of naughty people
>oversees a massive factory that produces according to a plan instead of profit and for use instead of sale
>distributes wealth to children all around the world
>huge beard and wears red
Christmas is bourgeois but Santa is a comrade.

 No.619075

File: 1637975631461.jpg (168.04 KB, 500x778, tree.jpg)

Christmas is comfy and we will have it under Communism too


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