/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Would be cool to hear from any Mongolianons who happen to use this board, but yeah they were their own country and actually stayed communist for a few years after the USSR fell. They have a whole history of interactions with the rest of the world even though in modern times they have mostly been relevant only locally. It's a shame that they are stereotyped by Genghis Khan because they've been around before and since.

>>621222
This is a good topic. I too would like to hear more.
As I've learned from studying Soviet Deep Operations strategy in war, they took much inspiration from the Tsarist army, who in turn too much inspiration from the Mongolians. The Soviets didn't ignore this connection, and continued the tradition of fast cavalry pushes, which eventually evolved to fast tank pushes.

They have a music which is extremely well known.
https://youtu.be/v4xZUr0BEfE

they took the soviet side because they had territorial claims against china

>So….Mongolia wasn't in the USSR but had its own revolution?

Well, to give a short summary of our history between 1921 to 1945; yes, we had a Communist Revolution in 1921. Albeit coming from completely different circumstances, it was very much an extension of the Great October Revolution and the Russian Civil War. However, despite simply being known for "one of those satellite states of the Soviets"; between 1921 to 1945, we were far from being a simple satellite, or being Communist, or even being a state.

Simply put, sanity and logic are things quite foreign to the Mongolian history of the 20th century.

While the Soviets were purging the priests and separating Church and State, we had Prime Ministers who were priests. Despite being a "satellite" of the Soviet Union, we were quite independent; to the point that Comintern and CPSU were concerned that we might align with the Japanese. A fucking invasion of China like the good old days, despite the fact that it was no longer the 13th century. Perhaps the insanity of the time made the leaders insane too: As one Prime Minister got drunk, slapped Stalin, called him the "fucking Georgian Tsar of Russia" while smashing his pipe; while another openly stated that he found no trust in the Bolsheviks, and that Mongolia should pursue their own path away from the Soviets. It took a purge so bloody, that it killed 1 in 10 to put us in line, and yet even after that, our leaders pursued their own policy, attempting to annex Inner Mongolia no less, despite Stalin's stern warning not to. I guess it's just in our blood.

>Looking for info and sources.

I'm afraid the most are only in Mongolian, or "biased". But here's a list:
< Reign of Political Terror and Repression in Mongolia 1920-1990
Not exactly a neutral one, as the name suggests; but it gives a good understanding of the effects of the Great Purge and its legacy
< The Bloody White Baron: The Extraordinary Story of the Russian Nobleman Who Became the Last Khan of Mongolia
To give a glimpse of Mongol history between 1911 to 1924
<Red Shambhala: Magic, Prophecy, and Geopolitics in the Heart of Asia
To understand the Soviet attempt to utilize Buddhism as a tool to bring Communism

>And how has Mongolia fared since the collapse of Communism?
Well, the typical. Economic crisis, mass unemployment, mass privatization, the ruling Marxist-Leninist party winning a comfortable majority in 2 elections in a row free and fair, only to be booted out in a rigged one where Uncle Sam flooded in 10 times the allocated budget for the election

>Art, music, anything out of socialist Mongolia desired

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xYuxTIKi9M&list=PLAC88D398FFE8EFA3, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUejUn280Zc&list=PLjGmwcgdmUwAu4wAtDNawDkqZSwCyLsE4
60-80's era music
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf-St8Ig2lA , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_3ZCHsvRE , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeYygLQOb98
Communist music
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpEUY4uMEo
Footage of the Parade for the 50th anniversary of the Revolution

>>621240
We disavowed any claim over an inch of Chinese territory, mostly due to Soviet pressure, and never reinstated it

>>621232
This is very much true; also, Deep Operation was further developed during the Battles of the Khalkhin Gol, where combine Soviet-Mongolian armies defeated the Japanese Kwantung Army in multiple violent confrontations. We call it a undeclared war, because it very much was one

I'm hoping to get a little more info on this but will let the thread die if Mongolia too obscure for this board

>>621966
>one Prime Minister got drunk, slapped Stalin, called him the "fucking Georgian Tsar of Russia" while smashing his pipe
The balls on that guy..

>>621966
Thanks for the effortpost, good stuff.

interesting, thanks comrades

Is Mongolia ever going to pull its head out of Genghis Khan's asshole? He was a mass murdering psychopath, not exactly someone to idolize as national hero.

>>646777
he was a product of his time anon

>>646777
It may actually be up the ass of Biden today.
https://www.mongoliaweekly.org/post/declassified-secret-document-uncovers-mongolia-s-value-in-the-indo-pacific

>>646777

The only problem with Chinggis was that he wasn't Juchepilled, because >>646781 pointed out, he was a product of his time.

>>646777
As far as I know, the veneration of Genghis was heavily suppressed by the communist Mongolian government, but after the fall of socialism it became acceptable to build lots of monuments to him and whatnot.

>>646781
>>646908
>he was a product of his time
So is everyone, that's basic Marxism. I assume you wouldn't say that about modern Germans who venerate Hitler.

To answer Op's question though about contemporary Mongolia though:

Economically gdp per capita has recovered and exceeded the 1990 value, though on a completely different basis than what was then: It used to be Mongolia was a major agricultural and light industrial exporter, since however the economy is based primarily on mining for export.

Mass privatization means that all those mining rents mostly flow out of the country, with a modest share for the top wealthiest.

>>646910

I would say that about the Germans. Just because one acknowledges causes to outcomes it does not mean one agrees with or desires such outcomes.

Though in this case, I think a large scale mass killing exceeding that which western scholars claim by the asiatic hordes will be necessary to deal the immense degeneracy, perversion, sickness, degradation, deadliness, etc that capitalism and its vlasovite acolytes bring about.

>>646917
>>621966
Good to see you around mongolanon. I have three questions:
How left the Mongolian People's Party really is?
What is your opinion on the 2019 constitutional crisis?
Are the current leaders /ourguys/?

>>646917
ignorant question here…
usually when I see Mongolia articles or videos fro youtubers visiting your country they focus on traditional nomads in the Gobi. Are they a large group or have a large influence or is it just othering from the media?

>>647491
Appr. 800 thousand or so people live as nomads, which would be roughly 20(?) something percent of our population. Most Mongols live in urban areas, the nomad thing is a media meme

>>647431
1. MPP is on whichever wing money is.Through officially, they're a bastard child of Dengism and Social Democracy with nostalgia for the old era, much like CPRF or any other ML or successor to ML parties in ex-Communist states
2. I fucking hated the former president, dude was a porkie of the highest order who used retard nationalism to push his agenda. I despise MPP and their corruption, but I'd rather have my dick cut off and drowned than live in Mongolia where neoliberal cucks for America Democratic Party being only major political entity
3. None, really. I guess technically MPP since they're more leaning towards Russia and China instead of EU and Merica like DP

>>646777
>>646910
>>646930
The death toll of Mongol conquest is bullshit, it's a Black Book of Communism tier number intended to reinforce the Asiatic Savages meme Europeans trumpeted since the 17th century. I won't deny that lots of people died and many quite brutally, but the death toll and destruction is nothing so special as to make him an equal of Hitler, when the conquests of Alexander, Napoleon, and Caesar likely killed as many as he did, if not more. Hell, fucking Anglos and Spaniards 100% killed more people than he did

>>647935
1/5 of the population being nomadic is kind of a huge portion tho

>>649529
I suppose, but we're definitely not three yurts and a flock of sheep in the middle of nowhere people think we are

>>649678
Wheres the best place to go if I want to visit Mongolia, anon? Where has good museums and shit?

>>647954

Absolutely. I never for a second believed the gorrilions about Mongolia of that time.

Its so obviously a western fear of the orient, projecting their own unparalleled world historical deadlines onto the "asiatic hordes".

t. 646930 poster

we had a mongorian anon on here a while back. Hope they're in here :3

>>649678
Are yurts comfy? They look comfy.

>>650029
We actually have multiple and if you read the damn thread before posting, you would have seen mongoloids posting.

>>650033
Pls no bulli :((

>>649678
And what kind of "sedentary" jobs are common there, in which field you work in anon?

>>646777
The Khanate was a progressive force and set the world on course for modernity, no Mongols, no modernity

>>649727
All the important museums are in the capital. Generally, you're gonna go to different locations that are far away from each other if you want to see the best places. Mongolia is fuckhueg huge, and our roads are shit so it feels bigger. But you will see absolutely stunning places if you can handle a straight week of road trip over dogshit roads

>>650033
>>650029
As far as I'm aware, I'm the only one here. All the posts you're talking about is likely mine

>>650045
Usual jobs your average joe does in the West. The most profitable ones are mining or imports related, so most people work in said fields. I myself am still studying, trying to get my Masters's degree in Genetics so I can BTFO Nazoids. I work in a local hospital and do blood test stuff in the meantime.

>>650031
Quite comfy, very versatile. But you gotta wake up in the middle of the night to heat it up then and again during winter though.

>>651005
>But you gotta wake up in the middle of the night to heat it up
Not unlike a cabin with a wood stove then. What's the outdoorsmanship culture like in Mongolia? I'd imagine with the nomadic traditions and all the wilderness it must be quite strong. Do people do a lot of hunting? Falconry is popular is it not? I'm considering some potential destinations for eco-tourism.

>>651015
We have a lot of hiking, dirt rally and other types of nature-related sports clubs here; we have a big-ass mountain right next to the capital so you see hundreds if not thousands of people hiking every day even during Corona right now.

Hunting is somewhat common, but the gov is pretty strict about it due to the shrinking wildlife from poaching and climate change.

Falconry is actually not that popular, only local Kazakhs do it, really. But it's the big thing tourists want to do, so you can find it pretty easily if you want to do it

>>651031
What types of game are popular to hunt? Is bowhunting still popular or is everybody using rifles?

>>651036
Usually Mongolian Gazelles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_gazelle), Marmots, or Deer. Oftentimes Wolves, but they're in the Red Book (which is a state list of endangered animals) so you'd need a license.

Bowhunting is nonexistent, but you can find a bow in popular tourist spots if you want to use one

>>646215
without him Mongolia would never of been soicalist

>>646215
>>651130
Apocalypse Now remake set in Mongolia when?

>>652244
Haz may be insane but this is gold tbh.

>>646215
He was probably the biggest piece of vermin among the white guards alongside Krasnov. Read what he said at his trial after the Bolsheviks captured him.
http://marxism.halkcephesi.net/Great%20Conspiracy/GC-AK-MS-chapter06.htm
>"I refuse to admit working-class authority! How can a man who doesn't even keep a general servant talk about governing? He is incapable of giving orders!"
People like him are why the bourgeosie/aristocracy need to be exterminated as a class.

>>649678
i was kind of surprised to learn it's more than just steppes too. there's lots of areas with forests and river valley and mountains and hills and stuff like that

>>646777
Stop being a liberal.

>>649678
What's mongolian urban culture like? Sounds like what you're describing is similar to Latin American countries where the capital city dominates the country.

>>621966
>>621966
>I'm afraid the most are only in Mongolian, or "biased".
Can you post them in mongolian? I'm moving there soon

>>673710
> I'm moving there soon
Why? Have you read this?: >>646842

>>673762
>Why?
Heart reasons
>Have you read this?
Bro there's few places in the world that are not USA cucked and if they are not usa cucked on a political level they still are on a cultural one

>>673769
>Heart reasons
Then I understand.
>Bro there's few places in the world that are not USA cucked and if they are not usa cucked on a political level they still are on a cultural one
I know, it sucks massively.

>>621966
>Simply put, sanity and logic are things quite foreign to the Mongolian history of the 20th century.
I'm already loving this post and I'm only at the beginning. thx anon

>>621966
kekking hard at your musical selection, comr8

Maybe something like this is more accessible to Western ears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_w65jtrlbQ&list=OLAK5uy_nKnKb1-fPvH6wB5z903aGsFhMuAZ-1aY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao7ALvdrimU

>>646781
Maybe he a bit overdid the "being produced by his time" shtick, no?

>>621966
>While the Soviets were purging the priests and separating Church and State, we had Prime Ministers who were priests. Despite being a "satellite" of the Soviet Union, we were quite independent […] one Prime Minister got drunk, slapped Stalin, called him the "fucking Georgian Tsar of Russia" while smashing his pipe; while another openly stated that he found no trust in the Bolsheviks, and that Mongolia should pursue their own path away from the Soviets. It took a purge so bloody, that it killed 1 in 10 to put us in line, and yet even after that, our leaders pursued their own policy, attempting to annex Inner Mongolia no less, despite Stalin's stern warning not to. I guess it's just in our blood.
Someone with the skills should turn this into one of those longer vertical multi-panel comics depicting the Mongolian People's Republic as a bunch of rowdy shamanic wrestlers and have the final panel with Stalin sitting by a desk, really tired, balding visibly, with a note from the Mongolian People's Republic in front of him and saying to himself "don't annex Inner Mongolia…" with Nazi Germany visibly invading through the view of the left window and shadowy Anglo/American spies outposted in the building just opposed to the right window.

>>647954
Dude.

>Caesar
Estimated death count: 2mil
Est. world pop at his time: 190mil
Killed 1.05% of world pop.

>Alexander
est. 150k
out of 170mil
0.088%

>Napoleaon
est. 5mil
out of 990mil
0.505%

>Anglos
Hard to count (100+ million deaths during its 200 year domination), but easily 10% of world pop.

>Spaniards
(Similar problem) but 8+ million, 1.33%+

>Genghis Khan
est. 40mil
out of 393mil
10.17%

Genghis could have easily killed proportionately more under his lifetime than the British Empire did over 200 years.