Class Hatred Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 13:49:12 No. 622909
"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you." —Karl Marx
A thread for your bile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWxQupFMhJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS8Ofq49SM4 Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 13:56:37 No. 622916
What does Bordiga mean by landed bourgeoisie in that quote?
Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 14:08:01 No. 622927
>>622916 Peasant who became wealthy enough to buy land and bourgeouise who got rich through commerce or another profession and then bought land. At least that's what I think.
Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 15:24:16 No. 622984
>“Organizing is the weapon of the oppressed.” False. Organizing is an indispensable tool, but if that was our weapon we’d be screwed. The weapon of the oppressed is hatred towards the oppressors, and there is no other, there has never been. Why do we say this so seldom? (In reality, for a long time now no one has dared to say it because hatred towards the oppressors implies the decision to overthrow them, and that is not allowed.) https://redvoice.news/we-are-not-the-99-francisco-martins-rodrigues-on-the-dangers-of-allying-with-the-petty-bourgeoisie-pt-1/ Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 15:28:38 No. 622990
>>622984 >preaches not allying with the pb >is a marxist leninist oke buddy
Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 18:45:57 No. 623106
>>622990 > You’re to thinking of maotists
Anonymous 2021-11-29 (Mon) 19:25:23 No. 623145
lmao u uyghas malding no cap fr fr
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 21:59:47 No. 632148
artists are the most cartoonishly petty booj fuckers ever
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:01:48 No. 632153
>>622909 You aren’t using that quote right. It means more or less that liberal ethics are crocodile tears and marxists aren’t going to sugarcoat any of the violence that may be necessary in class conflict
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:04:10 No. 632164
>>632153 >It means more or less that liberal ethics are crocodile tears and marxists aren’t going to sugarcoat any of the violence that may be necessary in class conflict so it's being used right
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:20:08 No. 632218
>Whorediga
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:30:30 No. 632252
>>632230 Class hatred is good but try reading about Chekist methods during the Soviet Red Terror, Decossackisation or the Chinese executions of landlords instead of whatever inane rubbish a fat gimp like Bordiga spouted.
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:38:18 No. 632284
>>632252 cheka was cool
i don't see anything particularly egregious in that quote tho
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:42:00 No. 632299
>>632284 Bordiga was a fat mong and coward who deliberately ignored that the haute bourgeoisie drove fascism.
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:42:25 No. 632300
>>622909 class hatred makes you a less effect marxist. the ultimate chekist is a saintly ascetic like saint felix
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 22:55:47 No. 632339
>>632307 They created it, they didn't nourish it.
Fuck Bordiga and all his gay little acolytes. A shame Mussolini's fascist thugs didn't kill him instead of Gramsci.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 05:27:10 No. 634345
>>632300 based and machiavellipilled
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 16:27:54 No. 639907
>>622984 I've been reading the criticism he made of Dimitrov and Popular Fronts. It's interesting but he does have some strange criticisms of the USSR during the 1930s and 1940s that are based on cold war era falsehoods and his position is basically Trotskyist no matter how much he hides it.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 17:19:39 No. 639976
>>639967 Not an argument.
I've read what he wrote about Stalin it's no different to all the Bukharinite-Trotskyite-Bordigaite criticism. No surprise he cracked under police interrogation. Seems he ended his life as the typical petit bourgeois socialist more concerned with bourgeois nationalism than communism.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 17:34:57 No. 639988
>>639907 >>639976 Have you gotten to the section in which he discusses Stalin being a centrist yet? I think he really sets himself apart from the trots there. He's only a "trotskyist" in the sense that he criticises the Dimitrovist line, which is something leftcoms and even other MLs did. His critique of the USSR is interesting as he defended Stalin against the positions of both Trotsky and Bukharin, which sets him apart from the trots and leftcoms respectively.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 17:42:37 No. 639991
>>639988 Yes I read that. Trotsky said the same thing, that Stalin was "centrist bureaucrat". And here is Rodrigues denoucing the "Stalinist distortion of Lenin" like every Trot has been doing for 90 years.
https://www.marxists.org/portugues/rodrigues/2007/mes/stalinista.htm The usual "good Lenin vs bad Stalin" tripe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVe3GYocyVo The grouping of communists into "left/centrist/right" is dumb.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 17:43:13 No. 639992
>>639976 Why would I even bother arguing with someone so brain-dead that they think bordiga was a Trotskyist.
>Seems he ended his life as the typical petit bourgeois socialist more concerned with bourgeois nationalism than communism. Yeah that's not a accurate description of bordiga at all, it describes Stalin perfectly though
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 17:50:04 No. 640000
>>639992 He was rightly given the boot from the PCI for Trotskyism. Stalin was a firm opponent of nationalism all his life.
https://espressostalinist.com/2013/05/17/j-v-stalin-on-national-marxism-and-the-general-laws-of-socialism/ Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 17:56:05 No. 640011
>>640000 >Stalin was a firm opponent of nationalism all his life. Lul, him pushing socialism in one nation proves that he was for nationalism not to mention the various ethnic cleansings he carried out and fearmongering he pushed against Jews.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 17:57:59 No. 640013
>>640011 Stalini promoted communism worldwide and the world communist movement reached its peak so far when Stalin was the leader of the CPSU. "Soviet antisemitism" is a cold war fabrication after the fascists changed their tune from "judeobolshevism" and there were no ethnic cleansings in the USSR.
Now shoo shoo you boring spook.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 18:02:09 No. 640022
>>639991 Look, "trots said something similar so obviously this is trotskyism as well" is a very silly way of seeing things. Yes, trotskyists criticized Stalin for various things, but so did various other tendencies and so did FMR. It does not mean their critiques are coming from the same perspective or even offering the same answers. If anything, having all these people providing critiques means that maybe they're onto something, and that these critiques should be investigated more carefully.
Citing Grover Furr in this context is a bit weird as Furr himself says Stalin was not much of a communist at all, more similar to a western social-democratic leadership.
It has its limits (i.e. makes it a bit confusing that "left"-communists supported the "right" position of Bukharin with regards to the NEP and other things like that) but it's a way in which most communists thought and organized. Lenin was at the "center" of Second International until that "center" took the renegade position, later there was the Left and Right oppositions, etc. It's useful. In FMR's case, the "centrism" of Stalin refers to him being unable to see the class struggle unfolding right before him, and thus being unable to take action. This resulted in the petty-bourgeois positions of the 7th Congress, and later, after Stalin, the complete takeover by the revisionism of Khrushchev.
>>640013 >Stalin promoted communism worldwide Nice way to erase the entire debate on the contextual meaning of "socialism in one country" lmao
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 18:18:12 No. 640044
>>640013 >Stalini promoted communism worldwide and the world communist movement reached its peak so far when Stalin was the leader of the CPSU The popular front had communist partries abandon their revolutio nary role of directing the labour movement of their respective nations towards ending capital in favour of cooperating with the bourguosie in order to help push the geopoltical goals of the USSR like hopw USSR communist partioes supported the molotov ribbentrop pact (fucking lul). Any internationalism among the world proletariat was sacrificed for real-politik.
> "Soviet antisemitism" is a cold war fabrication >In this connection one of the Bolsheviks (I think it was Comrade Alexinsky 4 ) observed in jest that the Mensheviks constituted a Jewish group while the Bolsheviks constituted a true-Russian group and, therefore, it wouldn't be a bad idea for us Bolsheviks to organise a pogrom in the Party. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1907/06/20_2.htm >there were no ethnic cleansings in the USSR Drohobycky, Maria (1995). Crimea: Dynamics, Challenges and prospects. Langham: Rowan & Littlefield. ISBN 9780847680672. page 73.
Tanner, Arno (2004). The forgotten minorities of eastern Europe: The history and today of ethnic groups in five countries. Helsinki: East-West Books.
I have a personal question btw, what did your parents do to you that made you this way?
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 18:25:53 No. 640050
>>622984 Hatred is nothing more than a tool for manipulation. You don't build a bridge with hatred. You build it with thorough calculation and immense collaboration. Socialism is no different. To think otherwise means you're a retarded opportunist that acts on whatever is immediate and hence bound to fail.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 18:28:38 No. 640052
>>640044 Popular Front was only comintern policy for a few years. The social fascism idea was correct and that's what Stalin actually did believe in. The non-aggression pact was the correct tactical move and avoided a war in 1939, the Soviets liberated western Belarus and Ukraine. The correct move, and since fascism is essentially no different to social democracy, as Stalin knew, it made sense.
Wow a Bolshevik in 1907 made a joke, awesome. Just ignore all the fascist and white guardists pogromists who accused the Bolsheviks of being scheming Jews and the fact that the Red Army (including countless brave Soviet Jews) of the eeeeeeeevil Stalinist USSR ended the genocide of Jews in death camps.
Crimean Tatars again lol. Your own graph shows a huge drop before 1944 which was never accused of being cleansing, and the Soviet suppression of fascist collabos was not, no matter how much bourgeois parasites howl.
I've developed a healthy hatred of the bourgeoisie and capitalism due to my experience of being a proletarian under capitalism, and therefore a firm commitment to Marxism-Leninism and the requisite class extermination of the bourgeoisie as a necessary precondition for communism.
Tell me, what did your parents do to raise a weak-willed son? Are you just bourgeois yourself or merely a spineless liberal wretch?
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 18:31:12 No. 640056
>>640050 >You don't build a bridge with hatred What, you want to build a bridge with the bourgeoisie? Have some nice friendly "dialogue" with them? Come on now. Hatred is fuel, it's an expected reaction from the class struggle. Being able to organize and direct it towards revolutionary means is essential. No revolution was ever done by a peaceful or level-headed proletariat. Attempting to tone down class hatred does not serve our cause. Literally just read the text you're responding to:
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 18:44:29 No. 640079
>>640052 How utterly mentally ill do you have to be to have those kinds of pictures? You know you're supposed to break the prozac in half right?
>Popular Front was only comintern policy for a few years And then turned to the policy of anti fascism which is equally terrible.
>The non-aggression pact was the correct tactical move and avoided a war in 1939 Which required collaborating with fascists, handing over communists to the gestapo and providing the nazis with raw materials needed for their war machine which was then unsurpisingly used against the USSR. I wonder how Stalinists in France and western Europe felt when their brains blown out with a gun made out of soviet materials. I'm just joking, Nazis probably didn't execute those who collaborated with them.
>Wow a Bolshevik in 1907 made a joke, awesome. Yeah, i remember when lenin and marx agreed with the prospect of ethnic cleansing. I'm not even gonna mention the doctors plot since that'd probably make the voices in your walls scream louder.
>Just ignore all the fascist and white guardists pogromists who accused the Bolsheviks of being scheming Jews Then shoulda heard what stalin thought about jews and NATO, you woulda freaked.
>Crimean Tatars again lol. Your own graph shows a huge drop before 1944 we love just ignoring two decades of history don't we?
>the Soviet suppression of fascist collabos Lemme guess, all Crimean tartars were nazis?
>I've developed a healthy hatred of the bourgeoisie and capitalism You obviously haven't since you adore Stalin
>due to my experience of being a proletarian under capitalism I guaran fucking tee that you are not working class.
>Tell me, what did your parents do to raise a weak-willed son? Are you just bourgeois yourself or merely a spineless liberal wretch? >no u lul, you should use a shotgun to make room in your head for some original thoughts and insults, these are terrible but asking for anything of value from Stalinists is like asking for a miracle.
Here's a few articles that i think would help you out and your situation
https://www.wikihow.com/Be-Normal https://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Normal-Teenager https://www.wikihow.com/Connect-With-Your-Father Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 19:36:20 No. 640162
>>640056 What I advocate for has the potential to flower into a deeper horror. Depersonalized and mechanized death is what allowed Nazis to slaughter 6 million jews.
Our goal is not to take revenge on the bourgeoise. It is to bring about socialism. Hatred clouds that shit. It's arguably what allows people to advocate for taxing the rich. We don't want to tax the rich or make them "pay their fair share". We want to abolish the ruling class. The problem isn't that the ruling class is not charitable, or that it is mean, or that it is too rich. Fucking focus! Don't let hate cloud what's right in front of you. The bourgeoisie are the princes of Mammon. Anyone granted princeship of Mammon is just as much forced to do Mammon's bidding, which they do gladly and without coercion.
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 21:02:04 No. 640270
>>632300 wtf are you talking about?
Anonymous 2021-12-10 (Fri) 21:03:40 No. 640275
>>640162 >We want to abolish the ruling class. ok cool. this doesn’t mean anything without mass murder
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 00:56:12 No. 640526
>>640079 >Leftcom Opinion discarded
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 01:04:24 No. 640540
>>640537
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 01:06:06 No. 640544
>>640526 Do you call your mother a leftcom as well when she asks you why you still don't have a job?
302 !!3r7latWI4U 2021-12-11 (Sat) 14:05:30 No. 641010
>>640079 >Here's a few articles that i think would help you out and your situation >Connect With Your Father Cringe and reactionpilled.
t. someone from a conservative household
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 18:27:27 No. 641272
Cool to have some leftcoms able to argue back in the mix!
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 19:13:55 No. 641321
>>640079 not this shitty propaganda again
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 19:27:44 No. 641344
didn't read the thread but the kulaks deserved it
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 00:04:08 No. 644468
>>641344 it was de-railed by sectarians (most likely petty bourgeois and damage controlling)
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 00:04:26 No. 644470
>>644468 the thread, that is
Anonymous 2021-12-24 (Fri) 18:02:13 No. 659191
>>640079 Can we get this banned? There was a somewhat interesting discussion going on and then this troll/bot/lib littered it with his ignorant, bias by omission, moralistic, anti-tactical garbage.
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 12:11:07 No. 659943
>>659357 I have a pet theory that Nazis just want to be the bad guys, constantly antagonizing people going on supervillain rants and making shitty memes where they are le epic deathsquads coming to cry on you.
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 12:50:59 No. 659974
>>659943 they get riled up by their handlers
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 13:36:51 No. 659992
>>659191 >There was a somewhat interesting discussion going on and then this troll/bot/lib littered it with his ignorant, bias by omission, moralistic, anti-tactical garbage lul
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 23:23:38 No. 662173
a lot of urban service workers are pretty much the shock troops of bourgeois rule in the cities
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 23:57:57 No. 676500
another bump. radlibs should kill themselves
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 00:02:02 No. 676513
>>676503 there's no such thing as "ruraloid", what you think of as "ruraloid" is pretty much just urban to me
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 00:04:00 No. 676517
>>622909 >"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you." —Karl Marx I dont even want to think what they did to my brothers. I feel like exploding.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 00:17:16 No. 676564
>>676500 Why did you have to make this about "muh radlibs?"
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