Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 21:53:21 No. 654473
>>654470 Nah, sociopaths can’t even form a union because they’d wind up killing each other lel.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 21:54:16 No. 654474
>>654473 >sociopathy means you can't recognize mutual benefit no
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 21:57:15 No. 654480
>>654474 Where did I say that?
The point is that it would degrade very fast if not immediately.
>>654475 >NO U lel
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:03:07 No. 654488
Thread Hard mode: talk about stirner and his ideas without resorting to meme understandings you got from image macros and fbi.gov kids.
>>652829 >I kown at least my version is better would you agree Nah, what about adding a meme flag makes this better?
>>654171 >Why? The black flag is objectively the best anarchist flag. At least the blag flag is real. These kids been trying to meme the teal-black flag in to existence for a good while now and they've still got nowhere with it.
>>654480 >The point is that it would degrade very fast if not immediately. <source: trust me bro. trust me. Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:04:56 No. 654493
>>654488 Find me a union of sociopaths that managed to do anything worthwhile and I’ll consider conceding my point.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:05:13 No. 654494
>>654488 >These kids been trying to meme the teal-black flag in to existence for a good while now and they've still got nowhere with it. I mean ppl are using it, what more existence does it need?
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:09:07 No. 654501
>>654368 I've got a six pack, and nothing to do
I've got a six pack, I don't need you!
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:13:36 No. 654510
>>654494 >I mean ppl are using it, people in hypercommodified online 'political' spaces use it. People part of the wider anarchist and radical milieus do not use it.
pro-tip: you never seen it on a zine, flag, banner, placard, communique, graffiti. you only seen it on social media and meme sites like leftypol.
>>654493 explain to me why anyone would even identify as a sociopath to the point they even felt the need to create a union around this shared trait. Just because nobody has done this dumbass idea does not mean 'it will degrade immediately trust me bro'.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:16:43 No. 654514
>>654488 If you want to talk with people who have read Stirner, try bumping old threads on /dead/.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:18:22 No. 654516
>>654510 >People part of the wider anarchist and radical milieus do not use it. ok, why should I care?
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:23:29 No. 654523
>>654516 >ok, why should I care? IDK anon, you're the one asking. why?
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:26:39 No. 654525
>>654523 i think you are implying that symbols get their meaning through popularity contests, which is kinda retarded
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:29:08 No. 654533
>>654525 No anon, I just understand the difference between a real living breaking milieu and meme kids on the internet.
Trying to smoosh them together is silly.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:31:43 No. 654537
>>654533 >between a real living breaking milieu and meme kids on the internet. why does a flag need a living breathing milieu?
if its the symbol of an obscure idea, it can only be an obscure symbol. It doesnt need to be any more pupular to be real.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 22:33:02 No. 654539
>>654510 >but it never existed My point exactly. It wouldn’t because sociopaths don’t work well with others long-term because they prefer to dominate rather than work collaboratively and have extreme behavioral issues. That’s like part of their make up. It would throw a wrench in any socialist project that requires strong cooperation.
Hell, you don’t even need to find a group that self-identifies as sociopathic.
My bar isn’t even that high.
I honestly don’t think you can.
Anonymous 2021-12-20 (Mon) 23:11:39 No. 654588
>>654510 >bitching about obscure ideologies on a board filled with defunct ideologies. Why would you do this to yourself?
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 19:04:28 No. 673761
>>654588 Everything else is too painful and don't know how to cope
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 19:24:08 No. 673779
>>654488 is the attached pic supposed to be ironic?
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 21:24:03 No. 673906
Can we do away with the teal "egoist" meme flag? Egoism is not an ideology, and it needs no flag. Make your own flag or some shit, like, just be yourself man.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 21:25:49 No. 673908
>>673906 Also I cannot take anybody who uses it seriously. You aren't doing a very good job of being an egoist if you treat egoism as an ideology. I assume most ego flag posters are underage.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 21:44:07 No. 673935
Stirner, [Klages] says, is the reason why Nietzsche is of paramount importance, because “the day on which Stirner’s program becomes the will-guiding conviction of all, this alone would suffice for it to be the ‘doomsday’ of mankind.”
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 15:24:26 No. 675003
>>673935 >This said, like for Nietzsche, i absolutley despise how's he was memefied by a bunch of edgy cunts. Drink paint you absolute cocksuckers Almost exclusively by those who never read a word he wrote and only watched a pop philosophy youtube videos about him.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 15:47:17 No. 675059
>>626127 >>626050 To the anon I was debating consciousness with a while ago. You're probably long gone at this point but I wanted to apologize for autistically lashing out at you in my posts and for being rude. I tend to sperg out when discussing the subject because I have strong feelings about it.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:54:06 No. 677051
>>673906 >>673908 >Egoism is not an ideology >You aren't doing a very good job of being an egoist if so you are saying that egoism isnt an ideology but you still believe there are wrong ways to be an egoist? seems to me like you are the one who is fixing the meaning of egoism.
i mostly post under this flag to trigger tankies tbqh tho
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:15:43 No. 677091
>>677051 Egoism is meta-ideology. The Padishah, king of king, of ideologies. And yet, that ideology which transcends all other ideologies becomes something other than ideology. What is ideology? A complex of beliefs which have been solidified by social forces and power dynamics. The egoist rejects the social forces, at least all those which are not voluntary, as illegitimate trickery (spookological phenomena) . And as for power, power is merely a game of egos vying against each other, therefore it falls into the egoist's purview.
Otherwise, all is open to the egoist. They are as it were, the prime candidates for Nietzche's superhumans, the surpassers of modernism, the new prophets, the creators of value. They might be a wildcard, a loose cannon, unpredictable, but they are a new breed. Because all else are either oblivious and disengaged (bless them) or stuck in the quagmire of first-order ideologies. The egoist has no allegiance besides what his integrity and intellect decide. There can be vile, degenerate, sick egoists for this reason, but there can also be archangels; prophetic , revolutionary egoists. To summon a new thought and break with the established fixations of thought is the ultimate act of progress. Therefore everyone who affects change throughout history, from Socrates to Jesus to Constantine to Genghis Kahn to Marx to Darwin and so on, is an egoist. They have the confidence to believe in their own thoughts.
A stupid egoist is a degenerate, filthy, hedonistic one, an animal beneath respect. They lack philosophical insight and miss the whole point, seeing it as an invitation to be an edgy punk.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:29:07 No. 677107
>>677091 shouldnt it be called ownness anyways?
i mean everybodies an egoist, realising ownness the the specific project of the unique and its property
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:05:42 No. 677277
>>675059 its ok, this is a chan and i expext it
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:09:58 No. 677286
>>677091 this shit is the best
im glad some anon can write well, cause when i try to say stuff it just devolves into schizo rambling…
good shit 10/10 hot fire king shit etc
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:35:10 No. 677319
>>677277 Bless you anon. This made my day :3
You're still wrong though
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 23:45:59 No. 687439
>>687434 Ayn Rand is not an egoist in the stirnerite sense, since in her view accumulating personal wealth is the essence of self-interest. Egoism is attacking any essence, any ideology.
Egoists also aren't necessarily leftist since again egoism imply any politics other than fulfilling the individuals desire - that desire can be for socialist or reactionary politics. However, egoists usually see capitalism and state hierarchies as hostile to their self-realisation as full beings and thus usually espouse leftist (or post-leftist) stances.
How about you read the ego book for yourself? It's really fun and not that long.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-unique-and-its-property Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 14:01:43 No. 689637
When readings a book about Nietzsche and his ideas, i came to the conclusion that his philosophy was basically about being authentic.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 14:05:13 No. 689642
>>689637 Authenticity is a spook
Why you gotta tie your being to an abstract notion?
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 16:58:56 No. 689900
>>689642 Wouldn't/couldn't authenticity be a property of the Unique?
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 17:12:52 No. 689923
>>689900 Everything could be. But egoism is not about authenticity, but ownness.
Being your authentic self implies that there is a clear essence of your being, your true being, that's is seperate from the rest of your being (your other properties). But the owner doesnt look at any of their properties as their true self, since the other, inauthentic properties are also truely his.
So no, egoism is not about being authentic. A authentic self doesnt exist because the unique can recreate themself at any moment. Talking about their authentic self would only tie them down.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 17:53:12 No. 689964
>>689923 I see now. Thanks for you time.
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 02:12:02 No. 690390
>>689923 >Owness I’m always happy when someone else understands this
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 07:12:38 No. 690571
>>643998 >>the pic >gets run over by a car >goes to a hospital >"Dr. Stirner, I need help, my arm is broken, can you fix it?" >Why do you need it 'fixed'? You already perfect the way you are, don't you see?" It sounds rather stupid for me, which means I don't get it. Stirnerbros, can you explain this quote to me?
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 07:30:44 No. 690595
>>690571 It's about guilt felt for not living up to an ideal (Christian, humanist, etc.):
> If religion has put forward the proposition that we are all of us sinners, I set another against it: we are all of us perfect! Because, in each moment, we are all we can be, and never need to be more. Because no defect sticks to us, sin also has no meaning. Show me a sinner still in the world, when no one any longer needs to do what suits a higher power! If I need do only what suits myself, I am not a sinner when I don’t do what suits myself, because in myself I don’t offend a “sacred being”; however, if I am supposed to be religious, then I must do what suits God; if I am supposed to act humanly, then I must do what suits the human essence, the idea of humanity, etc. What religion calls the “sinner,” humanitarianism calls the “egoist.” But again, if I don’t need to do what suits any other, is the “egoist,” in whom humanitarianism has given birth to a new-fangled devil, anything more than a bit of nonsense? The egoist before whom the humane shudder is as much a phantasm as the devil is: he exists only as a nightmare and a phantasmic image in their brain. If they were not naively drifting back and forth in the old-fashioned opposition between good and evil, to which they’ve given the modern names of “humane” and “egoistic,” they wouldn’t have polished up the hoary “sinner” into the “egoist” either, and sewed a new patch onto an old cloak.[452] But they could do nothing else, because they consider it their task to be “human beings.” They are rid of the Good One, good has remained![453] > We are all of us perfect, and on the whole earth there is not one person who is a sinner! There are lunatics who imagine themselves to be God the Father, God the Son, or the man in the moon, and then the world also swarms with fools who think that they are sinners; but as the former are not the man in the moon, so the latter are—not sinners. Their sin is imaginary. Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 07:35:57 No. 690603
>>689637 Authenticity is meaningless anyway, you cannot be not authentic.
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 13:33:43 No. 690884
>>690571 holy fuck you bend over backwards HARD to get the dumbest take possible out of that lol
Sabinyak 2022-01-14 (Fri) 20:57:01 No. 691394
>>690571 *steals your arm*
mine now, bitch!
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 22:11:02 No. 691558
>>624488 > despite identical to any other object in material composition I think this claim is where you go off a little. Fundamentally, we are all comprised of the same unconscious parts, but ignoring the layers of complexity involved with the process of "doing consciousness" is far more than that of being a rock.
At the end of the day, the arrangement of simple things can have quite extraordinary consequences downstream in terms of what complex configurations of those things could do. And here, I am referring to consciousness in the same sense as something matter can "do", like isomers forming (emphasis on the verb here) two different substances from identical configurations.
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