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 No.63299

How Marxist actually are universities?

Do college/uni professors actually brainwash young adults in being marxist? if not why do right wingers sperg out about this?
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 No.63301

1) No
2) Right wingers wouldn’t know what marxism was if it bent them over and fucked them in the ass.
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 No.63304

>>63299
I live in latam and some humanities faculties are majority Marxist. Basic science is usually also somewhat leftist, engineering and economics not so much. I think only in the third world you have hopes of finding marxist professors.
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 No.63306

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>>63304
Where in LatAm?
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 No.63312

>>63306
Argentina. I've been to Brazil for conferences and found it to be largely the same.
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 No.63349

>>63299
>Do college/uni professors actually brainwash young adults in being marxist?
Happened to me. I had a based hardcore ML poli sci prof who would shit all over Libs in the class at every opportunity.
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 No.63353

>>63349
based
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 No.63364

The only FOSS enthusiasts I met were other students. No lecturers or professors talked ideology, let alone politics, except for one who noted that piracy is morally fine if it's against Disney due to them raep'n copyright legislation.
There were lots of social cause groups near the library around the arts area that annoyed people and some pro-Palestein posters (again, by students. I don't know the details as I wasn't politically engaged at the time).
t. 5EYES, not USA
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 No.63365

>>63364 : t. STEM btw
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 No.63367

Depends on the teacher tbh. maybe you get an upstart adjunct at your community college that shits out radlib bs. maybe you get an older professor who has a photo of marx on his desk.
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 No.63410

From my experience, no. I took a degree in history, the most Marxist field in academia besides sociology (in both cases it's because historical materialism was so influential they can't avoid teaching it). It was all either "globalization" establishment liberals attempting to strawman Marx for laughs, or "radical" gender / postcolonial theorists who claimed some sympathy but dismissed Marx's method as "economic determinism". Every time they tried to refute the Marxist conception of history I felt they were intimidated by it and that I wasn't getting the whole story, which was actually what led me to research Marxist theory for myself.

Near the end of my degree, I had exactly one Marxist professor, but he concealed his views in class. When I pressed him in office hours he admitted he was apathetic to radical politics and only used Marx's materialist framework.
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 No.63473

>>63299
Before becoming a Marxist, I only really had one native Chinese marxist professor that I could go back and say was a marxist because his pre-20th century China history class used a Marxist analysis to explain certain things. After becoming a marxist and trying to take more marxist oriented classes I only met one professor who fucking fetishized marx's work and other literal who marxist thinkers who told us in the first day of class that classes focused around Marx and marxism used to be more prevalent back in the 80s and had slowly been cut from the universities budget in the 40 years since then. And an older second wave feminist professor who was pretty down with Marxist thought. So unless you're looking for it, not really that marxist.
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 No.63476

>>63410
>academic marxists

tbf were he an actual member of a party etc. he never would have been tenured probably.

neutered academic marxists are the only kind allowed in mainstream society
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 No.63575

I met one professor who could accurately described what was socialism and communism, with what Lenin and the Bolsheviks did that was so different from mainsteam marxist thought so there was that.
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 No.63581

>>63299
Ime not at all. Basically every prof was neoliberal, but supportive of gay rights and feminism which rightoids call "cultural Marxism"
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 No.63680

I actually had one, he was an OWS organizer back in the day and he has done lots of academic work on dual power, Rojava etc. and he straight up admitted to the class when going over the syllabus that he was a Marxist but that he would try to give a fair, balanced view of different political theories.

I honestly do think he was trying to radicalize people though, his final exam was two prompts, one of which was "What are the failures of liberalism?" which is pretty fucking cheeky. Most of the class loved reading Marx, and we had a lady in there in her 40's that broke my brain when she mentioned how lots of people back home in Russia missed the Soviet Union. I had seen a Youtube comment earlier in the year thar said the SU was as close as we ever got to a utopia and hearing someone in person praise it it really suddenly made me reconsider a lot of things. I'd always been a huge fan of social democracy having known a Finn for many many years, but he would tell me that it was a constant struggle to avoid getting the benefits of it rescinded by right wingers and I was like "well shit, if social democracy is cool why not just go full bore into communism?" after hearing about what the SU was like from this lady.

To be honest though, I find it hard to see how reading something like Estranged Labor wouldn't immediately radicalize most poor zoomers and millenials, unless you REALLY have terminal brainworms. I was going through it for my class and as I was halfway through it I realized he put into words what I had felt my entire life as a working class child of immigrants and that there was a reason the US has worked so hard to demonize Marxism, and that reason is because it makes fucking perfect sense if you're a prole.
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 No.75139

The only guy who talks about Marx in his political science department here is a Liz Warren voter. The idea that hardline MLs and Trots are entrenched in American unis is laughable.
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 No.75140

>>63304
Trotskyism has always been popular in Argentina, and Trots love college, going there and teaching there, doesn't surprise me that Argentina probably does have a shitload of Trot professors.
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 No.75147

>>63299
I was a STEMfag in burgerland, but I remember being radicalized after I graduated. I never heard anything serious about Marx in college.
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 No.76257

>>75147
Same but I majored in art. The most I got to learning anything about marxist approaches to art and art history was my drawing professor assigning me a couple chapters of John Berger's Ways of Seeing on a whim. I hated what art history courses I took.
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 No.76265

the college professors i had were mostly right-wing or anti-sjw at the very least
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 No.76266

More Marxist (read 'capitalism bad') than you'd think in my experience. Especially social studies and soft sciences. There is still an implicit scientism ideology permeating through the big boy STEM subjects.
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 No.76273

>>63299
In my experience humanities university professors are much more likely to be libs, socdems, or anarchists.
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 No.76278

>>76266
>Especially social studies and soft sciences

That's the stereotype most people already have in mind.

>There is still an implicit scientism ideology permeating through the big boy STEM subjects.


What do you mean with "scientism ideology"
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 No.76279

>>76278
He means positivism, the belief that science can ground itself by itself without any outside references being required and that it can construct a language of its own using only its repository of terms.

It's thoroughly autistic, self-defeating, and revisionist position in the philosophy of science.
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 No.76339

>>63299
The first time I've heard about Marx's exploitation of labor theory was at my (french) university in a sociology class. Some teachers can be more or less marxists, same for students but there's also a lot of pseudo-leftists liberals, I would even say they are the majority.
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 No.76369

>>63312
Jealous
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 No.76395

Chilean here.
I actually had a crypto-libertarian economics professor at uni, but he didn't talk too much about politics thankfully. He unironically taught us that communism is when the state does stuff, though.

Engineering major btw.
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 No.76409

Once had a libertarian philosophy lecturer tell a class straight-up "The concept of Labour Theory of Value has been objectively disproven" then just move on. That was a funny one.
Apart from that, I had someone try and explain Base-Superstructure with The Matrix: the base is the fact they're all in pods, the superstructure is the Matrix itself, leaving the Matrix is obtaining class consciousness.
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 No.76415

>>76278
It's a stereotype but in my experience it is more true than one would think (in the UK at least). Well not really the stereotype is about 'liberal arts' degrees and gender studies courses. I mean social sciences and geography/invironmental sciences (it's impossible to study this in the 21st century and not come across capitalism) and so on. Basically when you're too thick to become a doctor or mathematician degrees
>>76279
Yeah this
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 No.76471

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Marxism is pretty taboo in American education outside of some niche college classes. I've talked to some people from LatAm, and they were all exposed to some basic Marx in either high school or college. As I'm sure you all know, the average 'murican has read 0 Marx. At most, the most "class-conscious" Americans have an infantile understanding of Marx; it's quite a depressing state of affairs.
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 No.83493

>>76471
It's not, it's normalized and tolerated. I went to a sociology 1 class at some UC and the first thing they taught us was Emile Durkheim, Max Weber and Karl Marx.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/sociology/chapter/theoretical-perspectives-on-society/
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 No.83500

>>63299
no but they do get brainwashed into gender studies and post colonial shit. any postmodernist-derivative shit funded by the Feds to counter Marxism
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 No.83520

>>76471
Correct, if you try to bring Marxist ideas up in most college classes you'll be singled out and bullied. The only exception is in anthropology and if you get just the right kind of history professor.
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 No.83523

The only class in Burger clown college where I was exposed to anything about Marxism or communism was an African-American history course because that's just part of the history. I couldn't tell if the prof (who was black) was a Marxist or not, but he would talk about the CPUSA at times and played Paul Robeson's version of the Volga Boatmen's song, maybe trying to open the door for us a bit. I'm still thankful for that.
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 No.83541

>>63299
I knew a centre right 4chan poster. He liked to push the communist academia bullshit but he studied art at a 4 year school. I guess the brainwashing didn't take in his case.
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 No.83549

Universities brainwash prople into being liberals, the ruling class then proceeds to tag this as maexism as a new form of red scare to avoid people from achieving class consciousness

To fix this we need a liberal holocaust
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 No.83555

>>63367
Can confirm, my poli sci 2 teacher 2 years ago literally unironically said “socialism is when the government does stuff”
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 No.83581

>>83493
learning a little about something is not the same as academia being full of Marxists
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 No.83610

>>83581

It's not full of Marxists, but it's not like Marxism is some secret underground taboo current either.
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 No.85219

college/uni's are very diverse, that makes people more progressive but it doesn't really promote marxism, and it definetly isn't brainwashing.
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 No.85242

I don't remember a single Marxist idea being taught during my time in uni. I got hit with a lot of diversity/sensitivity training by the end though. Apparently that's' everywhere now.
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 No.85248

I took an art history class about propaganda art, and the prof talked about soviet history including the US invasion of the USSR on the part about soviet art.
Definitely not marxist, but just hearing the history of the USSR is more than most people will ever experience.
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 No.86083

I studied political science in Australia.
I suspect some of my lecturers were closet leftists, but most just presented as liberals.
I didn't understand anything about leftism until my honours year and did self directed research instead of the prescribed reading.
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 No.86089

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>>86083
I'm studying Arts in Australia as well and have not come close to anything remotely Marxist. Even the philosophy and sociology courses are dominated by analytic thought. I just wanted to study Hegel and Zizek, but now I'm being forced to choose between "Rationality and Cooperation" and "The Philosophy of Gender"
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 No.86097

>>86089
One of my courses involved us watching a Zizek video. That was 2014 though, so idk if he's too 'problematic' now.
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 No.86804

>>86089
Here in the US my art history professor who taught courses on contemporary art was from Romania and she was super analytical—really into affect theory. However despite being too young to fully comprehend the collapse of the Soviet Union, she couldn't stop herself from occasionally spouting anti-communist talking points once we finally got to the section on post-socialist art. I thought it was weird because she didn't even think to talk about people like Boris Groys. I think The Communist Postscript is an amazing little book and his 2009 essay, Comrades of Time is a much more interesting conceptualization of contemporary art than like, whatever the fuck Terry Smith has to say lol.
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 No.87367

>>63304
>Engineering and economics not so much
Same here. Economics and law have especially anti-communist people that openly support libertarianism and even fascist bullshit.
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 No.87378

>>76409
>Apart from that, I had someone try and explain Base-Superstructure with The Matrix: the base is the fact they're all in pods, the superstructure is the Matrix itself, leaving the Matrix is obtaining class consciousness.
This is fucking great. Use this for explaining class society to teenagers.
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 No.87383

>>63304
>Basic science is usually also somewhat leftist, engineering and economics not so much
>>87367
>Economics and law have especially anti-communist people
What about political economy? The main courses of it focuses on macroeconomics, economic history and political science. Also Marx's Grundrisse (and as a consequence Capital) is a critique of political economy and so at least on Wikipedia it seems to imply that a lot of Marxists study and develop within the field.
I keep getting the impression that it's political economy and sociology that has a lot of Marxists. Someone taking these programs able to corroborate?
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 No.89211

Someone wanna weigh in on this?: >>87383
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 No.89729

>>63299
I haven't had a single marxist professor. I've had a few left wing professors. The funniest one was a computer networking professor that kept equating inefficient scheduling algorithms to free market capitalism and efficient algorithms to socialism. He made a bunch of ancaps in the class absolutely seethe.
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 No.89732

>>89729
>I haven't had a single marxist professor.
I doubt that, you probably just dont know. Academia is the realm of the leftists and you will generally find lots of marxists, etc. there even if they do not make it immediately clear to every student that comes through.
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 No.89733

>>87367
Oh yeah I'd say even the material in engineering classes is anti-communist. I've taken hard science classes and I say no politics were involved in the textbooks or the material at all. I wouldn't say that about the books I've had to use in many engineering classes. They often act like capitalism is some kind of natural law on par with gravity. I can't tell you how much I hate the word stakeholder.
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 No.89761

>>63304
>>63306
I live in LATAM and basically all professors are either libs or neolibs. Some are liberal feminist. Some are religious nutjobs that shouldn't be allowed to teach. I've only heard about one professor (not from my uni) that was an ML but joined a center political party and said he "overcame" ML.
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 No.89775

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>>63299
lmao I'm glad I found this thread

>Taking Latin at Uni

>Professor is very religious but extremely knowledgeable about Rome/medieval Europe
> Ask him how Accurate pic rel is
>"Cant say I have read it but I love Michael Parentis work."
>Talks about how the senators completely shit the bed for the Republic because of their class interests as he puts it.
>"Thats good material anon, you are reading the right stuff and asking the right questions."


It was a breath of fresh air to say the least.
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 No.91052

Does "brainwashing" actually exist outside of red scare paranoid delusions? All glowie experiments on it only succeeded in turning people schizo, what makes people thing marxists are any better at this.
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 No.91054

>>91052
They call it brainwashing when in reality it's just young people changing their mind when confronted with new information and alternative viewpoints. There's an inverse correlation of education to social conservative beliefs
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 No.91056

>>87383
Political Economy hasn't been taught for a while since its an old field, the only people teaching "political economy" are public choice school libertarians and marxists/crypto marxists
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 No.91057

>>87378
its actually a pretty straightforward reading of that Movie.
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 No.91075

Professors that teach economical history tend to be more leftist in my experience.
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 No.91129

>>63299
It varies. In burgerland, I think at the very least students are likely to meet or have at least one marxist professor - likely the first marxist in a professional position they have ever met.

I had one outwardly marxist professor who taught us the propaganda theory of media criticism. This is a very useful thing to know as a communist in burgerland.

That prof aside, college liberalised me. I came out more pro-globalization and pro-capitalism than when I entered. It took me some time to shed the libness and return to leftism.

I think college on the whole these days is more likely to make people libs than anything else. The only reason conservatives whine about colleges being Marxist brainwashing sites is because statistically college educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, and they couldn't recognize a real communist even if they were run over by a tank.
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 No.91138

>>91075
This
Econ student here
In general idk how america is but most of the world people intrested in political economy are you know clever enough to sympathize with marx while largest scale economist tend to lean keynesian
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 No.91504

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>>91056
>>91075
>>91138
This is big. Thank you comrades. I finally have an academic direction I feel convinced of, mentally. Political economy degrees are more common than one of you implied, there's even one in my smaller European country, available for application within the top 3 national universities. I can finally have some concrete way of securing my future as a worker financially (as in BA or MA leading to more stable employment prospects) while also indirectly networking with future comrades throughout the many years of higher education! Fuck yes! The other options all included coping with degrees that are guaranteeed to be overwhelmingly dominated by ultralibs or "apolitical" (soft libs) students and teachers.
<t. previous tech-worker that got blackpilled into rather accepting shit jobs than be brainwashed and forced to work for radical liberalism and proprietary software. PS I was politically underdeveloped at the time, but did have a basic understanding of how the US was the primary imperial power and fucked the world over still to this day and that my environment were in a mindwarped bubble of MSM and obfuscated upper-class ideology. Perhaps after the Marxist economics I will continue with some more of the academic tech stuff, as I would be more mentally prepared for it by that point.
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 No.92446

bump for interesting thread
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 No.92536

>>89732
Lmao most burger universities work for the US gov/CIA. Those that don't just are good enough the make the cut.
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 No.92542

>>92536
>are not good enough
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 No.92561

Depends. In countries with a sizeable and secure middle class, not really cause porky bribed some proles into submission and accumulated enough power to kick marxism out of academia. In poorer countries with less middle class or more extreme poverty yeah, plenty of the Marxist intelligentsia is in unis sometimes.
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 No.92569

>>91504
Learn an industrial trade like metallurgy, logistics, production engineering, or welding. Mathematics is your best pick if you want to do something abstract and still make cash. An advanced math degree always beats out an econ degree in the hiring process.
Never pick a major based on mercurial attitudes like ideology.
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 No.92688

>>92569
>mercurial synonyms: fickle, unpredictable
Historical materialism and Marxian economics will be central to my life. It is not mercurial at all. I want to play a leading part in revolutionary struggles, and that requires a studious background and deep knowledge of politico-economic and societal factors for it to be successful given a revolutionary moment. Most revolutionary leaders have been well educated. To be an effective general secretary such a thing is necessary too.
I think your advice of metallurgy etc. is limited to a economistic unionist POV. You are right about mathematics though, but only in so far as it's connected with something more tangible like computer science, engineering or some social science (econ/polecon/polsci/sociology).

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