Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 10:39:35 No. 634509
>>634507 You don't know what fascism is
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 10:49:03 No. 634513
>>634512 >Implying anyone wants to live around europeans >Implying that europeans aren’t almost entirely responsible for the climate disasters destroying the third world and that will kill Europe with it
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 10:49:24 No. 634514
>Overindulging in this sub may be detrimental to your mental health
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 10:55:22 No. 634519
>>634507 >Most Europeans gleefully supported far-right parties as a consequence of seeing dirty brown people on the street They don't? picrel and most other elections show this.
>Europeans blame their own filth on Americans despite embracing fascism multiple times in their history like the dogs they are They blame most of the 21st century imperialism on the US, which in the case of france might be a bit hypocritical, but generally euros have a much better understanding of the shitty parts of their history than burgers do.
>Europe currently embracing “Fortress Evropa”, which is the idea of slaughtering refugees and migrants at the border who are fleeing either European economic imperialism, European imperialist warmongering, or climate catastrophe primarily caused by Europeans and Americans the only ones "embracing" this are the polish, hungarian and greek governments, and they get a lot of shit for it.
>Europeans gleefully support Fortress Europe and want to slaughter as many muslims and brown immigrants as they can Source: reddit
sure thing pal
>Every single person denying climate change and ecology in this board is either a European or American cockroach utterly devoted to sacrificing the Global South to themselves, each and every one of these people WILL support the Fourth Reich I don’t give a fuck if you call yourselves communists since you think Indians, Africans, Arabs, Latins, and everyone else need to die for your consumption boo fucking hoo, people on leftypol made me mad! I wonder why in a board full of Euros and Burgers most of the people who have slightly different opinions than you are Euros and Burgers? It remains a mistery!
Go outside and touch grass
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 10:56:18 No. 634520
>>634518
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:00:45 No. 634525
>>634518 >What is imperialism >What are climate refugees
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:01:38 No. 634526
>>634524
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:04:23 No. 634528
>>634527
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:07:04 No. 634531
>>634529
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:09:22 No. 634534
>>634532 >OOOH, the glowies gonna get me on a mongolian yak juggling forum!
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:10:57 No. 634537
>>634509 I don't think they know what Europe is either.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:13:15 No. 634540
>"Europe" is one single homogenous mass and not made up of dozens of culture with widely varying attitudes and economic structures
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:15:56 No. 634543
gun control? no
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 11:17:49 No. 634547
you're white
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 12:17:33 No. 634574
>>634507 >Most Europeans gleefully supported far-right parties as a consequence of seeing dirty brown people on the street You are missing a step there. The media completely destroys anyone who questions current immigration policies by spearing them as racist nazi white supremacists. So of course the only people left to vote for are actual racist nazi white supremacists who don't care what the media say.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 12:44:26 No. 634591
>>634574 >It’s the liberal’s fault Like pottery
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:05:31 No. 634608
I like how mods delete and ban posts that speak out against immigrating middle easterners to Europe, even if we have an objective housing and space crisis
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:08:07 No. 634610
>>634608 >We are full, fuck off to south america, india, china, etc We are full, (of retards already) fuck off to /pol/, reddit, etc.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:08:08 No. 634611
>>634600 >I wonder if we live in two different universes For fucks sake, Europe is a continent, and attitude towards migration differs from country to country. German media is very left-liberal and mildly criticizes immigration practices, without questioning the institutional abuses of Frontex or that migration is caused by imperialism. This is because Germany's economy is completely reliant on exports and they need migrants to keep the massive low wage sector and constantly stir the myth of
Fachkräftemangel , which roughly means "lack of skilled workers" which isn't due to demographics but because wages in trade jobs are so fucking shit that barely anybody wants to learn them.
In Eastern Europe of course there is gonna anti-immigrant sentiment because wages there already are absolute shit while prices for essential goods are pretty much the same as in Germany. Influx of migrant workers who would undercut even that creates anti-immigrant sentiment.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:08:41 No. 634613
>>634611 >Europe is a continent, *subcontinent
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:08:44 No. 634614
>>634509 Communists have their own definition of fascism.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:09:35 No. 634615
>>634613 A continent isn't just tectonic plates, the way it was used for thousands of years at least. Nerd.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:12:59 No. 634619
>>634614 And it's not whatever the fuck OP thinks it is
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:29:07 No. 634630
>>634625 >white working class
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:29:46 No. 634632
>>634600 >The what now, sometimes I wonder if we live in two different universes >the media supports whatever the ruling class wants and it's overwhelmingly against external migration Any politician who questions open immigration policies are labeled "far-right" by corporate media. They publish excessive opinion pieces on how immigration is good and Europe is not doing enough of it. They go out of their way to avoid reporting on immigrant crimes and when they do report they obfuscate the perpetrator, even photoshopping pictures to give them lighter skin. Do you deny any of these things?
The current policy of the EU is to withhold funding from member states who refuse to take immigrants.
When Mussolini annexed Ethiopia they were allowed them to relocate to Italy with full Italian citizenship. You clearly have no idea what Fascism is.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:32:47 No. 634635
>>634632 >Do you deny any of these things? Yes
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:39:50 No. 634643
>>634635 >baby's first discussion 1. Quote the line you disagree with
2. State your arguments in a logical, coherent way
3. Maybe post some evidence if you have any
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:40:55 No. 634644
>>634519 WHY IS DIE LINKE SO FUCKING WEAK
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 13:50:28 No. 634648
>>634644 forget it anon, it's social democrats
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 15:53:42 No. 634784
>>634644 A mixture of idpol from the "left-liberal" side of the party alienating older and more rural members of the working class on one side (picrel 1) and the inability of the party leadership to enforce party discipline towards the "left-populist" side of the party (picrel 2).
This leads to the party seeming too unorganized and absurd to most people. Their association to the former DDR government also doesn't help.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 15:56:20 No. 634788
leftypol be like>i saw a post on redscare/collapse/stupidpol subreddit that proves all zoomers are fascists <what do you mean this isn't a good barometer for judging public opinion
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 15:58:17 No. 634791
>>634784 Don't forget the high amount of Israel shills in the party that usually are a crossover with the IdPol crowd as well. Also they combine the worst of two worlds, the reformist wing comes over as complete sellouts, and their radical wing comes over as self-righteous IdPolers. A few based people like Ramelow or Dagdelen have been sidelined.
Also, everything in Wagenknecht's book is 100% on point.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 16:00:49 No. 634795
>>634791 Where can I find Sarah Wage Knight's book?
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 16:07:05 No. 634798
>>634791 Yes, the Pro-US/Zionist "Anti-Germans" are also a big issue, as they block the party from fully embracing an anti-imperialist line, which was very popular in the 2000s. (picrel)
The book is very good, and pretty much on point, but she released it shortly before the elections, which definitely didn't help in that regard and only helped to get higher sales. In any functioning party, she would have been sanctioned. The fact that she wasn't left many of the voters uneasy in what exactly the party stood for.
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 17:15:13 No. 634861
Oh wow your really saying NATO whom shows open support for terrorism destabilization and endless wars may form
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 17:16:58 No. 634864
>>634861 Then why are you constantly soy facing over Europroles?
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 17:18:24 No. 634869
>>634864 >Another day, another thing to get worked up in autistic rage over Oh green-anarchy flag. Wot r u like?
Anonymous 2021-12-07 (Tue) 17:28:47 No. 634880
>>634507 Reminder that Americans (black Americans, Latinx Americans, Irish Americans, Jewish Americans, """white""" Americans, Actually African (black or white) Americans, indigenous Americans, and any other type of American is bombarded with the most intense and developed forms of psychological manipulation tactics ever applied on humans, on a massive scale from the moment they are born.
Anything they say, such as OP, must always be understood in this context. They basically live in different dimension. As such, they do NOT speak for any non white person that is not American, nor do they represent the issues we non first world non white people face.
t. Latin American.
302 !!3r7latWI4U 2021-12-11 (Sat) 13:57:15 No. 641004
>>634507 Based as fuck take. All Western European fashoids should face the wall post revolution.
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 15:13:14 No. 641066
>>634507 >hating the masses Some people are in fact motivated by xenophobia, but most workers only support far right parties, because the left parties don't seem to care about their interests.
Anti immigration policies of the far right do make appeals to the interests of workers because immigrants are seen as scabs. The logic isn't entirely wrong, if more people offer to sell their labor power, then it commands a lower price, and that translates into lower wages. Of course far right politics is based on scapegoating immigrants for the ills of capitalism, but that's not an excuse to demonize the proletariat. It's cause for the political parties on the left to think about what they could have done wrong, why the workers do not choose them over the right. The cop out that the workers must be bad people is not acceptable. You failed the masses, they didn't fail you.
If left parties could popularize full employment policies which is a very moderate socdem level policy proposal, that would take away the reason for many workers to vote right wing parties because they fear loosing income or employment.
Many liberals are quite wealthy, and their class interest do coincide with workers getting lower wages, and that is in my opinion what is making left-liberal political coalitions unable to gain support of the masses. Of course that is never openly said like this, supporting the interests of the working class must be painted as something impure, because people who consider them self as left do feel disgust for people that have lower economic status, even if they aren't bourgeois them self, they still somehow got a little bit of bourgeois consciousness.
Don't forget fascism comes from the top of society, not the bottom.
Anonymous 2021-12-11 (Sat) 18:07:40 No. 641246
>>634880 >Latinx >t. libcucked petit bourg / labor aristocrat * Fixed that for you.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 12:58:33 No. 642359
Fuck Euroaches
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:00:52 No. 642361
>>641004 There are more fascists in Eastern Europe, all Euroaches deserve the wall
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:01:22 No. 642362
>>634880 OP said nothing wrong
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:01:55 No. 642363
>>641066 There is no such thing as an Euroach working class
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:09:36 No. 642367
Sounds like burger cope tbh. You are the empire, you will descend i to fascism. Europe is at this point a semi colony of the US, forced into bad trade deals, buying garbage weapons, forced into foreign adventurism, subject to regime change (years of lead, rest of gladio) and full spectrum propaganda.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:11:41 No. 642370
>>634507 You're right. Most of Europe is beyond salvation.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:12:35 No. 642371
>>642367 People in America were horrified and outraged at border patrol lacing refugees in Mexican border, do you seriously think Americans would support shooting/slaughtering immigrants like Euroaches do? Ethno-nationalism and fascism if an European disease
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:14:20 No. 642372
>>642371 Yea it’s pretty funny, the average American leftist was horrified at the actions of the US government against Haitians and at the Southern border
The average Euroach “leftist” will shout until they’re blue in the face about how refugees must be stopped by any means necessary
Fascism is in the euroach’s DNA
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:25:13 No. 642377
socialism is when you have lots of inmigrants
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:26:57 No. 642379
>>642377 See what I mean?
Euroaches have this intense sense of superiority to Americans, yet are still infinitely more xenophobic and genocidal compared to Americans
An American communist tries to think of ways to help a migrant or refugee in their lands
A European communist tries to think of ways to theoretically justify executing the wicked outsiders
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:29:25 No. 642380
america is very socialist they have a lot of inmigrants
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:31:00 No. 642381
>>642380 Yes dude
I get you want to murder every brown person you see outside
I get it
It’s in your DNA
You can’t help yourself
You can’t not be a Euro
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:32:45 No. 642383
brown people are innately socialist
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:37:43 No. 642389
>>642383 At least you’re skilled at dancing around a point, eurat
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:39:43 No. 642393
>>642379 Your confident ignorance is inspiring.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:44:49 No. 642402
>>642393 All I’ve ever seen you european fucks here do is wag your fingers at americans while discussing how migrants need to be pushed back out with bayonets behind them or die and how Roma are verminous scum
You people fucking disgust me, and the ultimate proof of how close Europeans are to fascism is how viciously xenophobic European “communists” are on average, how they despise outsiders, especially anyone who isn’t from the European continent
But figures fanatical chauvinists would feel a sense of superiority to others
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:55:32 No. 642403
>>642402 t. not good at making friends on vacation
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 13:58:53 No. 642405
>>642402 All I ever see you is accuse others of being american, white, euros, or whatever your boogeyman is at the moment.
I'm not euro, not white, not burger.
>European “communists” are on average, how they despise outsiders, especially anyone who isn’t from the European continent I have good american comrades, and good european comrades. The only time I've ever felt rabid xenophobia from communists was from Americans. Did you know that the DSA of Paris doesn't let anyone who isn't an American eligible to vote join? They unironically call it "the national question". Meanwhile, no other Parisian communist org makes such a distinction. Really makes you think.
You're a reductive piece of shit who is proudly ignorant and can never try to search for truth. What's the point in discussing anything with you if you come here with conclusions set in stone. Where do you even pick up your rancid takes???
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:03:54 No. 642406
>>642379 >it's not a class war, it's yuros vs mericans this type of reactionary anti class struggle rhetoric is new
>>642381 >racism is in DNA the behavior of people has genetic and environmental origins, it's both nature and nurture.
The only reason anybody ever reduces bad qualities of people to genetics is because, that is something fixed. To create an enemy that is beyond redemption. It's dehumanizing people into something that has to be destroyed.
>>642402 Americans have a kind of American pride, which is very destructive when it turns into American exceptionalism that supports imperial wars, but it can also have positive characteristics at times. Europeans don't have any of that, and your attempts at insulting European pride just fall flatt, because there is nothing to insult.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:08:58 No. 642409
>>642372 >>642371 Eat a cock, Europe is taking in millions of refugees from your regime change wars to the point it collapses our shelter capacity, meanwhile you cunts do some outraged tweets about bad optics while taking in only a fraction of refugees Europe does. But you do suck the third world dry of educated people!
USA should be nuked at the earliest opportunity.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:13:11 No. 642411
>>642405 Hahahahaha
Learn what exactly? From people that think miasmas and soils cause disease like Leninhat? From people that think subatomic physics is bourgeois propaganda because some guy who was once a communist came up with an alternative theory to the copenhagen interpretation? From people that deny what is provable via archaeology because it disagrees with what they want to believe? From people that think the scientific discipline of ecology, i.e. the study of how organisms interact with their environment and each other, is fascist?
What do I have to learn from any leftypoler outside of people like that Sabocat poster? You people have said too much idiotic, schizophrenic shit for me to think you’ve anything of value for me to learn, and your personal anecdotes don’t matter to me. Maybe if so many posters here didn’t say schizo I wouldn’t act the way I do and “be so rancid”, but admit it, what you find to be rancid is a person that disagrees with you and won’t show you respect you haven’t even earned, there are certainly intelligent and insightful posters here, but too much of this board is obsessed with upholding a cancerous chan culture to redeem the whole thing, and in the time I’ve been here said chan culture has won out over time
I remember back when people didn’t treat Marxism like effectively a religious dogma, I remember when people didn’t respond to any criticisms of their ideology by calling it “bait” and refusing to actually defend their position as tho anyone is actually raiding this tiny forum
In the time I’ve used leftypol I’ve seen it lose its redeeming qualities more and more as idiotic schizo posters pile up, dogmatists pile up, and fags keep going “Noooooo we are above criticism because uh just because”
So no shit my posts are “rancid”, i.e. hurt your feelings by throwing stones at your marble tower
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:16:17 No. 642412
>>642409 Europe’s fascist political parties surged because Europe took in a thousand fucking refugees from wars
your governments gleefully participated in
Please tell me you’re a fucking froggie or pole, since poles gladly invaded Iraq alongside America while froggies have been destabilizing Northern Africa for literal decades
The Middle East and Africa have taken in
millions of refugees compared to euro fucks taking in a few thousand, and regardless communist politics remains strong there
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:19:58 No. 642413
>>642412 trolls trolling trolls: the thread
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:21:18 No. 642414
>>642413 No, more like Europeans and Americans arguing about who is a more evil imperialist
Europeans:
>You are responsible for all of our actions! Americans:
>No you are responsible for your own actions and we are responsible for ours as well Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:32:31 No. 642418
>>642414 Do you even read Zerzan bro?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:40:30 No. 642424
>>642418 I’m not an anprim, no
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:46:26 No. 642435
>>642424 >anprim flag >I’m not an anprim, no Very good, fellow person of color on the internet
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 14:57:05 No. 642447
All this time I thought green flag was just a dumb teen but it turns out he's simply a troll. Yawn.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 15:22:45 No. 642459
>>634591 It's always their fault. They are the hegemons
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 15:24:50 No. 642461
>>634507 What does immigration have to do with fascism? Huh
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 15:28:19 No. 642463
African living in Belgium, yes OP is correct.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 15:41:35 No. 642473
>>642463 Get the fuck out when you can, man. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 16:20:58 No. 642491
>>642463 You're a fucking idiot
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 16:32:36 No. 642494
Europeans will turn to fascism even if they aren't right now. Climate change will ensure mass migration to Europe. America, by comparison, will be less fascist. Americans will have to liberate europe again and re-install democracy.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 16:36:51 No. 642496
>>642494 >Europeans will turn to fascism even if they aren't right now. Neolib get out.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 17:14:43 No. 642517
>>642494 Do you think fascism is when people are racist?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 17:28:52 No. 642536
>>642463 >Far right parties who got 25% of the votes in Flanders (most of any party) are talking openly for a white Christian Europe I thought Christianity was already dead in Europe.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 21:26:57 No. 642831
Neoliberalism won over Marxism-Leninism, and now Fascism will win over Neoliberalism.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 22:02:06 No. 642877
>>642371 Does the US Coast Guard help migrants that come with makeshift boats, picks them up and gives them asylum in the US?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 22:48:05 No. 642959
>>634507 Europeans are objectively the least racist people on the planet today.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 22:53:20 No. 642970
>>642959 No.
t. German
Dating a brown girl was a real eye opener for me as a white dude. The amount of times we didn't get past bouncers, get "the look" from people on the train, had the police check on us, had our tickets checked, the stuff some family members of mine told me ("Negerin" which means "negress", she isn't event that black). Appointments with police, landlords, banks, etc. were only possible if I accompanied her despite her decent German skills, because a white guy would make a better impression.
Before that I was the same as you, thought racism is a made-up problem by left-liberals because I never saw it, but this is not the case.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 22:55:21 No. 642978
>>642970 (me)
Oh, and that was for a young woman. I could imagine things being 10 times worse for a brown or black young man.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:04:23 No. 643013
>>642970 >>642962 I know that stuff like this happens in many European countries, but it also happens everywhere else on the planet. Meanwhile millions of immigrants have become naturalized citizens throughout Western Europe, while only a few thousand Westerners have become citizens of countries like China, Pakistan, Nigeria, Vietnam, Algeria, etc.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:15:52 No. 643042
>>643002 >>643022 >>643033 What if he isn't a chinletzi, but a brown guy who doesn't want ytoids dating his women?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:18:13 No. 643046
>>642411 >Europeans are essentially prone to fascism >white people are colonizers >waaaahhh leftypol doesn't care about some random black dude in a random place in burgerland who was killed primarily because he's black and not because he's a random dude in the middle of nowhere in burgerland. >muh sakaism, muh settlers, muh PMCs >other rancid takes Sure dude, no rancid takes at all.
>>642959 Objectively false.
>>642536 Nope.
>>643042 Kill yourself.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:21:52 No. 643052
>>643013 >but it also happens everywhere else on the planet There are multi-ethnic countries where people live side by side pretty normally. Also, European countries barely have recognized national minorities, Germany has like four, Danes, Frisians, Sorbs and Roma/Sinti, meanwhile millions of Turks do not even have a German passport despite being born here. China has like 44 I believe.
>while only a few thousand Westerners have become citizens of countries like China, Pakistan, Nigeria, Vietnam, Algeria, etc. Why the fuck do you think that is? Why would somebody from Switzerland emigrate to Tunesia? Are you retarded?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:23:05 No. 643053
>>643042 You watch interracial cuck porn, 100%. Who the fuck thinks of having a claim to a women just because of phenotypical similarities.
Nuremburg laws but woke, love it.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:24:23 No. 643055
>>643013 >while only a few thousand Westerners have become citizens of countries like China, Pakistan, Nigeria, Vietnam, Algeria, etc. there used to be more, but they were kicked out for some reason 60 years ago, weird!
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:25:13 No. 643058
>>643042 half of /pol/ is self hating non-whites, they are still trash.
>brown guy who doesn't want ytoids dating """his""" women I don't care lmao
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:25:17 No. 643059
A big reason Europe is turning to fascism is the insanely strong supression and surveillance of leftist organizations, while they have let nazis go unchecked. Also contemporary neoliberalism is ideologically very close to nazi ideology anyways, so suppressing Nazi sympathizers in the same way they've done to leftists would lead to lots of friendly fire. That's not even to mention how literal Nazis were put in charge on European affairs since day 1, so there has never been a real interest in suppressing them like communists.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:26:14 No. 643061
>>643052 >meanwhile millions of Turks do not even have a German passport despite being born here. China has like 44 I believe. Most of those different ethnic groups in China are natives to their specific region, and not immigrants like Turks in Germany or Moroccans in Netherlands.
>Why the fuck do you think that is? Why would somebody from Switzerland emigrate to Tunesia? Are you retarded? Alright, let's take China as an example. It offers a great deal of economic opportunities, even to Westerners, yet very few have become naturalized citizens there, especially when you compare it to the number of Chinese people living in Bongland or Frogland, for example.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:27:15 No. 643063
>>643055 They were kicked out based on their class position, but I have yet to see actual socialist revolutionaries who were unironically embracing kind of Sakaist values, in fact, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, etc. all argued explicitely against such things.
Pic related white KLA soldiers.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:27:42 No. 643064
>>643061 Nationalizing in China is very hard, so I've heard. And learning Chinese is very hard for westerners. Many Chinese are taught English since they are very young.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:28:34 No. 643066
>>643061 >Alright, let's take China as an example. It offers a great deal of economic opportunities, even to Westerners, yet very few have become naturalized citizens there, especially when you compare it to the number of Chinese people living in Bongland or Frogland, for example. Which why you do see a lot of white workers moving over to China. Since China has caught up somewhat, it also has increased immigration. But lets not kid ourselves, average salary in China is much worse than in Europe.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:28:50 No. 643069
>>643053 Kek, I know plenty of brown guys who hate it when they see some mayo dating their women. This kind of stuff isn't just reserved to chincels.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:32:42 No. 643074
>>643069 Yeah and also white guys get upset when they see brown and black people dating white women. So what, people are tribal. That wasn't my point.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:32:57 No. 643075
>>643052 >meanwhile millions of Turks do not even have a German passport despite being born here In that case aren't they choosing not to get it? as far as I know from my turkish friends, you can get one if you lived here for 8 years or you were born here.
Germany also allows for double nationality, so you don't need to give up your old passport.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:33:10 No. 643076
>>643063 You can literally count the number of naturalized Westerners living in China or Korea on your hands, while there are millions of the former living in Western countries as citizens. Methinks there are some double standards here, and that modern Yuros are significantly less racist than some other people.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:33:46 No. 643080
>>643076 >You can literally count the number of naturalized Westerners living in China or Korea on your hands, WTF is this delusional thought?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:35:00 No. 643081
>>643077 Whatever helps you sleep at night, mayomonkey.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:35:17 No. 643084
>>643075 Yes, their mentality is part of the problem but do you really wanna blame them after they have been referred to as "guest workers" who eventually have to go back for decades and were allowed to live in a parallel for society?
Germany nationality law is reactionary because it is biological. If you are a Saxon who emigrated to Romania in the 14th century you have claim to a German passport. Meanwhile, the American citizenship law is based on values, so is France's. It pains me to say, but they are more progressive at least in that regard.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:36:00 No. 643086
>>643084 whose ancestors emigrated to Romania*
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:37:21 No. 643088
>>643080 its a poorly disguised stormfag talking point
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:38:28 No. 643092
>>643088 Yeah, this smells like the attempt /pol/yps do these days trying to co-opt China as "national socialist" and how "they are not tolerant".
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:39:08 No. 643096
>>643084 >the American citizenship law is based on values, lmao
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:39:58 No. 643098
>>643096 Legally speaking, yeah. It's based on allegiance to constitutional values and not what your ethnicity is.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:40:53 No. 643099
>>643088 Why do polyps believe there isn't a ton of westerners in china? What is their reason given for people apparently pretending to live and work in china? I get that it's probaby a jewish plot but i'm mosty confused as to what for?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:41:33 No. 643100
>>643080 Less than 1000 foreigners, if I remember correctly, have become full citizens of China. Similar difficulties are faced by Westerners who try to become citizens of Korea, Vietnam, or many other Asian countries. Meanwhile, millions of Chinese have become citizens in EU countries and USA. You're wilfully blind if you deny that Asians are much more racist than Europeans.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:42:04 No. 643101
>>643099 >Why do polyps believe there isn't a ton of westerners in china Because there isn't? Referring to everyone who believes there isn't as reactionary doesn't make your argument true.
What percent of china population is westerners?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:42:09 No. 643102
>>643046 >Your takes are rancid because you call out our national and racial chauvinism I see your bullshit nigha and see you ought to drown
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:45:51 No. 643113
>>643084 I don't know dude, it feels like you are trying to make this into a bigger deal than it actually is. They all have the ability to gain citizenship and face no systematic hurdles to do so but choose not to out of pride. The whole "guest worker" culture being racist is a completely different issue, but we can't be treating turks like children here who don't have their own agency. Plenty of turks have gotten the german citizenship.
We also literally just established that you can get the german nationality through birth or naturalization, so the german nationality law is explicitly NOT biological. There is the possibility of gaining it through ethnic background, but that was because the new german state had to accept ethnically german refugees from the east after WW2.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:46:44 No. 643116
>>643099 How many Europeans living in China can vote for a representative for CPC at a local level in a Chinese provice where they live? How many can become candidates themselves? How many Westerners are currently standing members in the politburo? Now compare it to the number Chinese people who participate in European politics without any issues.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:50:25 No. 643124
>>643098 No it's not, it's based on being born or naturalised there or descending from a citizen. You can't just lose natural citizenship for merely not adhering to state "values". The USA Charges thousands of euros to renounce citizenship. And france also has jus sanguinis like Germany does.
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:54:42 No. 643136
>>643069 Oh, is this the interracial sex pest who thinks that just because someone referred to his penis as resembling a raw chicken that he suddenly is in a race war? And also might be mad and balding?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:55:08 No. 643139
>>643124 >Fiscal Year 2020 Naturalization Statistics1 Despite pandemic-related closures, USCIS welcomed 625,400 new citizens in fiscal year (FY) 2020 during naturalization ceremonies held across the United States and around the world.
This is in the last year alone.
Please post the statistics for how many citizenships china granted in the last year.
Really please do it and do not deflect i want to see
https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-resource-center/naturalization-statistics Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:57:08 No. 643147
>>643139 Look it up yourself, why do we give a shit?
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:57:37 No. 643148
>>643139 Actually if you don't want to post last year. Give me any year. 2011 2015 2005 whatever it is. You pick!
Show the total amount of citizenships china grants in any year
Anonymous 2021-12-12 (Sun) 23:59:25 No. 643151
>>643148 Why do you care? And why should we?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:01:01 No. 643156
>>643151 I want to compare how many citizenships china grants compared to the usa. Let's see it post it
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:02:14 No. 643160
>>643156 My time is valuable, chinlet. You can look it up yourself.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:04:11 No. 643162
>>643160 You are posting on the same place as me has nothing to do with time it's that you know the number is embarrassingly low and don't want to present it.
Calling everyone who knows china grants very little citizenships and has miniscule number of westerners living there reactionaries will not make it become false.
If you are right you should be able to show the westerners living in china with data like you'd back up any other argument just the same with evidence
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:06:06 No. 643164
>>643162 Which proves what, exactly?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:08:17 No. 643167
>>643100 >You're wilfully blind if you deny that Asians are much more racist than Europeans. I think China practices "internal assimilation w/ external multiculturalism" with national identity being based on culture and language, constantly reinforcing that "all 56 ethnic groups are Chinese and living harmoniously." Now this is propaganda, and a bit "forced," but it still has a kind of Confucian "decency" to it, and while there's the Xinjiang affair, they will claim that is more "humane" than bombing Muslim countries like the U.S. (and a friend of mine met someone from Xinjiang recently who said the Western media coverage about it is total BS).
Also, despite being the neighbor of Iran for thousands of years, neither ancient Chinese regimes nor the current one ever tried to teach Iranians how to govern their own country (unless you really count the Mongolian invasion). So, China's proposal of multiculturalism and diversity is global, different people have their own values and systems, though it's essential to set up some universal standard (non-discrimination for instance). Therefore, they don't care to be "lectured to" by Indians for eating beef, nor by Muslims for eating pork, nor by Westerners for eating dog. They don't "fuck you up" and you don't "fuck with us." Simple. It can be understood as internal assimilation and external diversification so multiculturalism is on a global scale, rather than the local level.
In the West, since the late Roman Empire, everything has been associated with Christianity. The Barbarians would convert to Christianity rather than the Roman culture, and the Muslims, later on, remained loyal to Islam and Jews to Judaism, such that the religious identity, ethnic identity and religious conflicts make it extremely difficult to assimilate any group inside the country and to reclaim the lost territory. In China, whenever the Han screwed up governing, it was, however, the converted Barbarians who came out to save it even against their own relatives.
It's a long story, but if you look at Chinese history, when foreigners misbehaved, they would also be destroyed. For example Christians, Jews and Arabs once tried to control Canton and impose their religions on Chinese when the Tang Dynasty was in a civil war, but a peasant uprising massacred the foreigners there after they seized the area. In the Qing dynasty, the Pope banned Chinese from worshiping Confucius and their ancestors, which triggered the exile and death of the majority of Catholics in China. But Russians who escaped from the Russian Empire were well protected and granted the freedom to believe in Orthodox Christianity.
On the other hand, Confucianism and its history-oriented ideology allows foreigners who wanna settle in China to be respected and treated equally as long as they behave and assimilate. If they don't, it's gonna be problematic for them in the long run. And when I say assimilation, I mean incorporating their culture into the Han culture rather than being swallowed by. A lot of dance, music, arts, martial arts, Buddhism, and family names that are considered traditional in China are from foreigners who assimilated into the Han identity.
This has been going on for 2,000 years. As long as you have the ability and are patriotic, then you're Chinese. But that is a lot of work for many people since they have to learn the language and give up their "privilege."
The West is known for racism. No matter how talented you are or patriotic you are, you will never ever be truly accepted by the Westerners. Even if you do, you become a token or oriental toy for liberals. Perhaps, in order to avoid the fate of many empires, the U.S. and Europe might end racial identification and identity politics to assimilate everyone into American and European by default without differentiation. Otherwise, you might maintain the white majority in America by assimilating the Hispanic and the Arab in Europe if race still have to be relevant. Why doesn't Europe do that? "Islam" and "Christianity" worship the same Abrahamic god, after all.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:08:18 No. 643168
>>643162 Wait a minute I thought china were curtural marxists that believe in open boarders. Are you trying to say that the one true worker's paradise on earth is racist?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:09:44 No. 643169
>>643102 Fuck off. You're a citizen of an imperialist nation. You're uneducated, and proudly ignorant. Shut the fuck up.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:11:29 No. 643172
>According to the Ministry of Public Security, in 2016, only 1,576 foreigners obtained the Chinese green card. By contrast the U.S. granted over a million of them. Source: CGTN
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-24/Is-China-moving-to-loosen-permanent-residency-criteria-for-foreigners--P6bNKEdnjO/index.html Less than 1 tenth of 1 percent of china's 2010 population of 1.33 billion is foreign
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:12:25 No. 643174
>>643168 Not even the chinese say they’re the one true worker’s paradise. They’re rather building towards socialism, as has been claimed by literally all countries ran by revolutionary governments.
As for them not granting citizenship, you think it has to do with the number of people immigrating to china, their reasons for going there, etc.? Do you think thqt the provision of citizenship is the “proof I’m not a racist” test?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:16:33 No. 643182
>>643172 That 1.33 billion is equivalent to North America, Latin America and Europe's populations combined. If you combined the whole western world into a single civilization-state then we could compare them.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:17:43 No. 643185
>>643182 China also isn’t destabilizing the rest of the world to get cheap resources and cheap labor
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:18:02 No. 643186
>>643174 I think the fact that there are no black or queer people in the government is what shows china is racist and transphobic. Also thier treatment of uyghurs is problematic.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:20:32 No. 643191
>>643186 1) They made a transgender children’s clinic and Shanghai
2) Africans make up a miniscule portion of their population and are mostly students. They’re also better to african countries themselves than the US and Europe
3) Adrian Zenz wants his conspiracy theory back
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:23:03 No. 643196
>>643191 It's bait, or simple sarcasm.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:25:36 No. 643199
>>643191 What about the uyghur genocide and the sacred buddhist temples? I heard they sell the organs from falun gong members too and all the buildings have to have anti suicide nets because people have no will to live without a free market
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:26:10 No. 643201
>>643199 >people have no will to live without a free market The brainwashing in the west is fierce.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:29:46 No. 643204
>>643199 >UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR UYGHUR kys
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:31:43 No. 643207
>>643195 What about structural racism though? Will a Black chinaperson have the same possibilities to rise in the party as a han chinaperson? Blackness is the revolutionary subject so china needs to get more intersectional and center around Black and transfeminist bodies in their leadership to be really a force of the 21st century.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:34:54 No. 643210
>>643207 >Blackness is the revolutionary subject so china needs to get more intersectional and center around Black and transfeminist bodies in their leadership to be really a force of the 21st century. welcome to leftypol, liberal
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:38:36 No. 643212
You guys can bait, joke and shit post all you want none can address head on why china grants such little citizenships and microscopic level of immigration.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:40:27 No. 643213
>>643212 not even to ask where*
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:40:45 No. 643214
>>643210 Who are you calling liberal, you godless commie gook? I happen to be a gender-fluid half uyghur and half tibetean falun gong practitioner, and I worry for my volk
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:43:16 No. 643218
>>643212 What china needs is freedom of religion, freedom of press, and a lot more of the BBC
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:44:54 No. 643219
>>643218 All you guys can do is troll. None want to have any serious discussion about this.
Which is ironic when otherwise this place of deep debate and evidence based discussion on theory, books and ideologies
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:46:01 No. 643220
>>643214 >you godless commie gook >I happen to be a gender-fluid half uyghur and half tibetean falun gong practitioner, and I worry for my volk t. satire lord
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:47:20 No. 643221
>>643212 Simple, they don’t need it and they don’t have an economic model dependent on displacing neocolonial labor pools and their resources to work shit jobs as second or third class citizens. And why would these people want to go to china?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:48:27 No. 643222
>>643221 FTR the trade they do with the africans is certainly a lot more equitable than the West does with those countries.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:52:12 No. 643225
>>643220 umm excuse me hon but if you think my identity is some kind of a funny joke I think you should self-criticise a little bit more and listen to more gay uyghur voices
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:52:58 No. 643226
>>643225 Stupidpol did this much funnier four years ago
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:58:20 No. 643229
So what's the deal with immigration into China? The only thing I can find out it was that immigration was increasing but the articles were all from 2011.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 00:58:39 No. 643230
>>643212 >You guys can bait, joke and shit post all you want none can address head on why china grants such little citizenships and microscopic level of immigration. Why are the United States and Mexico separate countries? You could simply combine them into a North American civilization state like China did to its various provinces over many centuries.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 01:02:00 No. 643235
>>643230 No, the mexicans should take us over and bring us into La Raza Cosmica
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 01:26:45 No. 643255
>>643212 Could you provide statistics on how many citizenships are granted? Also in other countries to compare.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 01:37:51 No. 643263
>>634519 >generally euros have a much better understanding of the shitty parts of their history than burgers do no they don't lol, French still tend to think colonialism was based
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 01:51:54 No. 643277
>>643247 Fascism isn't neoliberalism, don't be fucking retarded. If every rule of capitalism is the same we might even deny the existence of fascism like some Bordigists do.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 04:28:04 No. 643425
How tf did a thread about fascistic takeover in Western Europe decend into an argument about interracial sex in one fucking post?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 04:32:11 No. 643428
>>634507 >>Every single person denying climate change and ecology in this board is either a European or American cockroach utterly devoted to sacrificing the Global South to themselves, Lol, so true. Eugene, Leninfag, SaboScab? All armchair firstoids.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 05:56:20 No. 643465
>>634507 Europe is gay and i hope it gets swarmed by immigrants.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 06:46:05 No. 643491
>>643465 Based Belarus appreciator
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 08:17:09 No. 643535
>>643164 That Chinese are more racist than modern day Europeans or even other Westerners like Yanks and Aussies.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 08:40:12 No. 643545
West Europe currently lives off two layers of imperialism by living first off the backs of the subjugated world, then second by getting this through its relation to the great imperialist, the US. It's reflected in attitudes, how many western Euros generally consider the underdeveloped world to be violent, backwards trash, and consider americans to be brutal, backwards pig-men fit only for going to war, the Barbaroi. This while they happily trade expensive commodities made by those subjugated and have had their lives subsidized far more than anyone else, even considering austerity. They pretend to be tolkeinesque Elves,a Fair Folk who are Civilized and more Rational and Conscientous than everyone else, their hands washed free of blood by the American tax dollar fueling tanks and undercover provocateurs. And just like elves, they too resort to brutal ethnic violence the moment someone dares set foot in their sacred grove of stolen wealth.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 09:50:15 No. 643562
>>643545 >>643545 >their hands washed free of blood by the American tax dollar fueling tanks and undercover provocateurs. This is the most maddening thing as a leftoid american in Europe - bluepilled euros somehow don't see that they benefit from, and quietly take part in, the same brutality that reactionary americans relish in.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 09:52:23 No. 643564
>>643562 >bluepilled euros somehow don't see that they benefit from, and quietly take part in, the same brutality that reactionary americans relish in I mean they don't though, neither do Americans. It is only the bourgeoisie that receives the spoils of imperialist plunder.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 09:53:46 No. 643565
>>643564 they do, social democracy - even in its cut down modern version - is subsidized by the wealth inequality between "the west" and "the south."
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 09:54:23 No. 643568
>>643564 lol keep telling yourself that
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 10:03:01 No. 643576
>>643535 This is a useless definition of racism that doesn’t account for the difference in foreign policy between these two countries and the nature of foreigners in the countries proper.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 10:06:35 No. 643578
>>643565 There are very few social democracies left in the imperial core and they have a lower quality of life than less wealthy and dominant socialist nations. The social democracy part is not 'made possible' by imperialism, there are plenty of smaller non imperialist capitalist countries that have elements of social democracy, like say venezuela or perhaps Cuba. And in the big picture imperialism is necessary to sustain capital accumulation and capitalism, and to keep theses countries from a socialist system with a much higher quality of life
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 11:16:59 No. 643607
>>643576 It still shows that Europeans are more accepting of foreigners than Chinese are.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 11:24:12 No. 643610
>>643607 Correction: Western Europeans like French, Germans, Anglos, Dutchies, Spaniards, etc. People like Romanians, Poles, Albanians, Serbs, Estonians, etc are just as xenophobic and racist as Chinese are.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 11:36:55 No. 643623
>>643277 >with the gloves off There is zero real policy difference between Pinochet privatizing Chile and Hitler privatizing Germany. None of the liberal criterion that determines the mainstream definition of "fascism" (racism, expansionist ideals, militarism) are particularly applicable to every fascist society. Mussolini was never a racist. The Austrian fascists didn't care about expansion to other lands. The Iron Guard wasn't particularly militaristic.
So what determines a fascist regime? It is as Trotsky pointed out when the bourgeoisie fear a proletarian revolt and seize upon a figurehead in alliance with the military and conservative forces to "restore order" aka kill the entire Left in one broad stroke and thereby pump up profits for the bourgeoisie without threat from both the worker-led left and from political figures who might be inclined to cede to worker and left-wing demands. Therefore there is no such thing as a Fascist "win" over bourgeois democracy. Fascism is the backup plan of the established order, and it can no more triumph over neoliberalism as can a dog's tail triumph over the rest of the dog.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 11:59:44 No. 643639
>>643578 If it's true that "there are few/no social democracies left in the west," then how do we explain this data:
https://wir2022.wid.world/executive-summary/ which implies there's considerably less economic inequality in "the imperial core" (barring the US naturally) than in the global south? If it's not because of social democratic policies that rely on cheap economic inputs/labor from the global south (which themselves are only possible b/c of the hyperexploitation of non-western labor), then how else can this be framed? Further, if this relatively equal wealth distribution is not the result of social democracy - because as you said, there are "few/no social democracies in the imperial core," then it must be the result of whatever economic policies ARE in place, no? Which makes the left position even more tenuous, b/c we're now forced to say that, idk, neoliberalism (or whatever label you'd apply to the policies of the imperial core) has produced a more equal society.
Your only option then would be to dispute the legitimacy of the data, right? Seems to me "social democracy is only possible within a colonial/neocolonial world system" is the much more satisfying answer, and one more useful for propaganda efforts. I'm still interested in seeing your response, though.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:02:19 No. 643641
>>643565 People keep saying that but never quantify or prove it. The welfare state peaked in the 70s, which is after the end of colonialism and before the shift of manufacturing to the developing world. The rise of the welfare state came at the time of decolonisation too, not when European dominance was at its peak. If the one funds the other, these movements would not go in different directions every time.
It's literally just "people here are poor, people there have welfare - these things must be related!"
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:08:40 No. 643649
>>643623 > racism, expansionist ideals, militarism Those aren’t the mainstream criteria for capitalism?
Tf is wrong with lefty/pol/oids inventing arguments they claim their enemies use and refuting the invented arguments instead of actually countering what is said?
Everything you said describes the entire capitalist world generally, even liberals do not think these things define fascism, like most lefty/pol/tards you just seethe endlessly at people rejecting racist idealism
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:11:28 No. 643652
>>643564 Full of shit if you’re trying to claim citizens of the empire don’t get benefits from being in the empire
>Inb4 muh austerity The benefit of being in the heartland of empire is not being outside the empire thus subject to conquest or slave-like subjugation
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:14:02 No. 643655
>>643641 neocolonial relations were built between national booj elements in the ex-colonies and the west; that was the point of the various CIA interferences against socialist/communist/socdem leaders in latin america and MENA, for example, ensuring that the leadership of those countries were willing to essentially prostitute their countries resources/labor in exchange for a position as the middlemen in that arrangement. If the resources/labor are the "prostitute" in this analogy, then the national booj (or outright aristocrats, see Saudi Arabia) are the "pimps," and the west, the "Johns."
Besides, I don't think the timelines are as off as you say - sure, the 20th century saw the death of the openly colonial empire (although tbh there's not much separating the french/british mandates in the interwar period from the US occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan) - but the 20th century was ALSO the time where it became critically important for the western booj to buy off its working class, as a way to counteract the natural appeal of communism. So of course the booj was only willing to cut these deals then - it was that, or lose the cold war.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:14:49 No. 643656
>>643652 >Full of shit if you’re trying to claim citizens of the empire don’t get benefits from being in the empire Ik right, it's like everyone forgets that every worker in the British empire was affluent
Oh wait
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:20:45 No. 643660
>>643656 id rather be a prole in the imperial core than an algerian in the 19th century; they weren't well off not because they didn't benefit at ALL from being in the imperial core, but because there wasn't any reason for the western bourgeoisie to grant them as large a share of the spoils. That push only came later, as a way to placate labor aristocrats, and eventually as a way to undermine Communist proselytization attempts. Once those two pressures were gone, like magic, you see the trend reverse.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:24:31 No. 643662
>>643656 Ask yourself this
Would you rather be a service worker in the West making at least $13-15.00 an hour (average service worker in my part of the country) and able to consoooooom products of nothing else, or a poor ass fucking sweatshop worker in Bangladesh making a few cents a day that you can use to buy some bread loaves and a packet of rice maybe?
>I would rather be a worker in socialism 🤡 Didn’t ask that, faggot, answer the question
Would you rather be an American or an Afghan?
A Brit or a Lebanese prole?
If you deny it’s better to be a citizen of the empire vs a subject of the empire or enemy of the empire you’re admitting that the average westoid “leftoid” here is just full of shit
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:25:23 No. 643663
>>643649 Yes they are you fucking retard it's why every time a Republican gets into office the Dems start screaming Fascism, because rascism and nationalism and militarism = fascism apparently lol. You're so disingenuous even the US Holocaust Museum takes these as characteristics of Fascism.
But this is not a MARXIST definition of Fascism and the fact that you're defending this nonsensical definition proves you to be a radlib.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:28:24 No. 643664
>>643652 >Full of shit if you’re trying to claim citizens of the empire don’t get benefits from being in the empire >>Inb4 muh austerity >The benefit of being in the heartland of empire is not being outside the empire thus subject to conquest or slave-like subjugation You, as someone who recieves the spoils of imperialism, and hence your social position, upbringing, and interests align with imperialism, as you have stated, you should listen to communists from the imperialized nations, listen to what they have to say.
Me, from an imperialized, and violence ridden country, listen to what I have to say:
Estás hecho un imbecil jaja
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:32:15 No. 643666
>>643660 >id rather be a prole in the imperial core than an algerian in the 19th century; they weren't well off not because they didn't benefit at ALL from being in the imperial core Where were these "benefits" did these benefits come in and save British proletarians from poverty? Did the Irish benefit from "being in the imperial core" when they were starving to death? Did British proletarian child workers benefit from this when they lost limbs to machinery? What fucking benefits did they have? 10% in select stores? Do you also think minorities in the US living in complete poverty also get benefits?
>>643662 Til poverty doesn't affect Americans.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:36:06 No. 643675
>>643663 Have you considered it is because to many people the Republican Party explicitly wants to dismantle even the pretenses of democracy in the US political system, arrest people for political dissent, explicitly wants to execute leftists, and to many people seemingly want to bring back an open racialist dictatorship a la the Jim Crow Era
Of course you focus on the racialist aspects of Republican politics as a positive because, like most chauvinist tankoid filth on this site you feel utter contempt for non-white proles and a self-satisfied sense of superiority to them, like a fat rat sitting atop a pile of trash
>>643664 Listen to someone outside the West claim that it’s better to be a subject to the empire than a citizen of the empire?
Am I supposed to soyface at a retarded statement
>>643666 > Til poverty doesn't affect Americans. Poverty may affect them, but actual starvation and war do not
You’re comparing apples to oranges, comparing being poor to starving to death, comparing the state of the US to a warzone left in America’s wake, they aren’t comparable
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:36:40 No. 643678
>>643652 >citizens of the empire don’t get benefits from being in the empire In a regime of private property and wage slavery? No, they don't. By definition they are paid only what is needed to reproduce their labour power in the place they live, with only enough welfare to prevent a peasant revolt every economic downturn.
Your insistence on oppression olympics over solidarity is obvious wrecker behaviour, frankly.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:36:55 No. 643679
>>643666 > What fucking benefits did they have? They weren’t subjected to genocide, for starters
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:39:44 No. 643682
>>643679 Does sending millions of working class to the slaughter house known as war not count? Also retarded for thinking no empire has ever genocides their own population when the Holocaust was a thing.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:40:07 No. 643683
>>643666 the Irish weren't part of the imperial core in this time period; neither, I'd maintain, were black Americans, until very recently. That view on black americans was shared by the comintern btw, see their orders to the CPUSA in the interwar period.
And yes, british workers had the benefits of "not enough food" and "a possibility of learning how to read," as opposed to the algerians, who had on offer "die of starvation" and "we have totally wiped out literacy amongst your people, and we will shoot you arbitrarily." Scant, barely relevant benefits, but benefits nonetheless. The benefits to being in the imperial core increased considerably thanks to the labor movement - and critically, due to the bourj's co opting of the labor movement (social democracy).
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:41:39 No. 643684
>>643652 >citizens of the empire don’t get benefits from being in the empire There is a small labor aristocracy in the first world that benefits from super-profits that imperial capitalists make (you can usually spot them when they all of a sudden get really worried about "socialist dictators" that get in the way of their imperial gibs)
But the proletariat in the first world largely does not benefit from imperialism. Before Marxism existed there were proudhonian theories of unequal exchange, which claimed that workers were exploiting other workers. Marx demolishes these theories in his works:
The poverty of philosophy and
The political economy of capitalism As a theory unequal exchange is utterly wrong and not only refuted by Marx but by countless Marxists over and over again.
This crap just keeps coming back because it can be used as anti proletarian rhetoric.
Don't be a tool, don't spread anti proletarian propaganda.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:41:51 No. 643685
>>643679 >>643675 Visualizing the third world as mostly arid desert with sparse buildings and a sepia tone helps me understand your points.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:41:59 No. 643686
>>643675 >Poverty may affect them, but actual starvation and war do not You're a fucking idiot
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:43:08 No. 643689
>>643685 These retards think the third world resembles a fallout game
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:46:20 No. 643691
>>643684 I hate you, I hate you personally, as an individual
I also hate you as a representative of leftypol itself
I told you directly to answer whether it is better to be in the empire or a subject of the empire and as FUCKING
ALWAYS you responded with empty socialist slogans about how it’s better to be in socialism,
I told you not to deflect and answer my question directly and you still couldn’t do that I despise you with every fiber of my being
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:47:39 No. 643693
>>643691 You're supposed to break the Prozac in half
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:49:32 No. 643696
>>643675 You are either retarded or a glowie not sure which but I can 100% guarantee that unlike yourself I'm an actual ethnic minority so your hysterical screeching over racism can be shoved back to reddit where you will be applauded by your fellow whites. All you're doing is spitting out Dem talking points. You're not even old enough to remember when the Dems were hyperventilating and pretending that Bush Jr was preparing to declare martial law and abolish bourgeois democracy somehow. Your emotional outbursts and inability to assess things rationally (as if Jim Crow would ever come back) testifies to your immaturity and lack of both historical knowledge and political experience. Shut off MSNBC and stop hanging around idiots in coffee shops. Better yet, gtfo off this website and stop pretending that you're a socialist, let alone a Marxist.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:51:39 No. 643699
>>643689 >>643696 >>643683 here
I'm arab, and i think it's true that there are benefits to being in the imperial core. Can we stop this embarrassing liberal standpoint theory shit now?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:54:22 No. 643700
>>643699 Trickle down Imperialism ehh?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 12:58:21 No. 643705
>>643700 As I said, the process mostly began as a way to subvert the labor movement, and a way to prevent the spread of communism. The "carrot" to the CIA's "stick," Social Democracy. The slight benefit of "not actively being destroyed, only passively being destroyed" enjoyed by proles in the early 19th century mills is still a real benefit, but barely one worth talking about - the real divide begins later.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:02:49 No. 643706
>>643699 I wasn't replying to you and I have no idea how what I said is relevant to your post given that the subject I was discussing was regarding Fascism and American political illteracy. I agree that there are benefits to being a part of the imperial core obviously a homeless guy in Germany would fare better than a homeless guy in South Africa on just caloric intake alone but the point is overstretched tiresome and anti Marxist either we stand together or fall together. The USSR and modern China have proven that socialist states will play an active role in helping to advance undeveloped countries so the idea of Settlers-esque splitting between "good" and "imperial" proles is nonsensical and retarded.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:11:55 No. 643711
>>643706 I mean, social democracy was pretty good at splitting workers against each other, even WITHIN the imperial core (see the Weimar Republic). It's totally reasonable to say that that split still exists, is (generally speaking) correlated geographically, and may need to be overcome. We can't just ignore debacles like the French Communist Party alienating Algerians with their anti-algerian liberation stance, or the same party's pro-french mandate in syria stance, and how those totally destroyed chances at International solidarity (international solidarity that the USSR was calling for, btw, it's not just "white worker bad black worker good"). We need to try and figure out WHY they failed to take these opportunities, what mechanics were at work, etc (in both cases btw, the french communists were either part of parliamentary coalitions with pro-imperialist socialists and liberals, OR earnestly didn't believe the subject people were capable of self governance).
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:16:57 No. 643712
>>643711 >I mean, social democracy was pretty good at splitting workers against each other, even WITHIN the imperial core The fact that you say this as if it is something unbelievably or improbable leads me to believe that you know very little about social democracy
>We can't just ignore debacles like the French Communist Party alienating Algerians with their anti-algerian liberation stance One of the very few correct stances the French communist party had post 1921
>those totally destroyed chances at International solidarity You can thank the USSR for that
>We need to try and figure out WHY they failed to take these opportunitie Communists already know why, you personally don't
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:18:50 No. 643714
>>643706 The problem with the replies people like you shit out is that it always,
always is as though you live in an entire alternative fucking reality nobody else actually exists in
It’s always
>We know from the examples of a country that no longer exists and a different country that, if nothing else, does jack shit to advance socialism around the world, that in the entirely hypothetical future where the Western proles rise up and overthrow their governments, they will help proles in the colonized world :) The problem is that you’re discussing this
entirely hypothetical future that doesn’t actually exist in 2021. Hell, the reason this shit always comes up so often is to ask why exactly, in 200 years of socialist history, have the Western proles rarely risen up, and never en masse? Because even if you want to bring up the few failed revolutions western Europeans attempted, which of them involved the
majority of people?
I wonder, do you have a single grand plan for the here and now, and by that I mean one that isn’t vague bullshit like “Yes, remvoluinom”, because everything you people tend to come up with are only ever applicable
after you’ve already won and somehow defeated the Anglo militaries
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:21:24 No. 643715
>>643712 >>643712 >The fact that you say this as if it is something unbelievably or improbable leads me to believe that you know very little about social democracy then why are you acting like it's heresy to say workers in the imperial core have benefits that those outside of it do not? You're failing to respond to anything here. The logic "social democracy splits workers from each other; social democracy was enabled in the west through hyperexploitation of people outside it; therefore western workers are receiving benefits that other workers are not" is sound, and you're not offering any counterpoint other than useless "gotchas" you saw on r/stupidpol or something.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:22:00 No. 643716
>>643712 > One of the very few correct stances the French communist party had post 1921 Shit like this just goes to prove everything I said about eurat lefty/pol/ers in the OP ;)
Note that Burgerstan leftypolers celebrate every single liberation movement to have defeated the US
You rats only seethe at America because you wish for European empire, lucky for you Europe can still suckle on America
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:29:16 No. 643724
>>643716 You've spent far too much time on the internet. Log off and hug your mother she hasn't seen you in a while. Also love it when leftist retards clutch pearls when confronted with an actual communist position.
>>643715 >then why are you acting like it's heresy to say workers in the imperial core have benefits that those outside of it do not? Because in the grand scheme of things they don't, capital can accumulate wealth enough to alleviate the working class somewhat but in the end capital will still demand the death of the proletariat regardless of whether they live in a first world country or third world country.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:31:51 No. 643726
>>643655 >neocolonial relations were built between national booj elements in the ex-colonies and the west; that was the point of the various CIA interferences against No argument there, but why assume a western prole benefits when a tax dodging western company exploits foreigners? It's not like they share in the profits, directly (because private property) or even indirectly (because of tax dodging). There are higher wages, but a lot if those just get eaten up by rents of various kinds that are also higher.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:39:42 No. 643732
>>643714 Please shut the fuck up China supported the Pink Tide in LatAm and is heavily investing in and developing the African continent as well as countries along the BRI; the days of super-exploitation are numbered because the Chinese communists are slowly fulfilling the world historic role that they must play to advance the cause of socialism. You have no real knowledge of geopolitical events but feel so confident shitting out your awful opinions while claiming others to be divorced from reality when the only media you yourself consume is CNN or some equivalent please please shut the hell up it is honestly as irritating reading your ignorant posts as it is reading an issue of The Economist while playing spot the lie.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:48:10 No. 643740
>>643732 Please shut the fuck up The US supported the post war golden age in Europe and is heavily investing in and developing the African continent as well as countries in the IMF; the days of super-exploitation are numbered because the American democrats are slowly fulfilling the world historic role that they must play to advance the cause of democracy. You have no real knowledge of geopolitical events but feel so confident shitting out your awful opinions while claiming others to be divorced from reality when the only media you yourself consume is Vremya or some equivalent please please shut the hell up it is honestly as irritating reading your ignorant posts as it is reading an issue of The Daily Worker while playing spot the lie.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:51:22 No. 643744
>>643724 The actual communist position was that Algeria needed to remain a colony of France?
What nigha?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:52:45 No. 643748
>>643607 >>643610 Cope, whitoid. “Muh accepting of foreigners” when you displace them and hold them as legally first class, but economically and socially second class citizens is a farce. Serbia and Cheenaland, again, aren’t instigating and perpetuating the displacement of third world labor into shit-tier positions in the imperial core. I don’t care if they hate foreigners. They will never be in a position where I have to interact with these eastern subhumans.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:53:22 No. 643750
>>643744 Ik the pcfs reasoning was bullshit but anti national liberation is a communist position
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:54:01 No. 643751
>>643749 I'm so fucking glad I'm not terminally online enough to know what that means
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:54:51 No. 643752
>>643744 >>643750 No Commparty should support keeping a colonial territory and the PCF wasn’t in power, anyways. Besides, western parties are often cucked.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:55:17 No. 643753
>>643751 A fleming you catamite. How are you this stupid?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:56:23 No. 643756
>>643740 4/10, made me respond
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:57:50 No. 643758
>>643752 Liberating a nation does nothing for the working class and only enriches and helps the native bourguosie who were previously oppressed due to having no sovereignty. The last time national liberation could have help a purpose was during the revolutionary wave unleashed by Bolshevism in 1917 and even then it was dated.
>>643753 What the fuck is a Fleming?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:58:54 No. 643760
>>643758 Flemish person, burgerbrain
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:59:19 No. 643762
>>643740 The US never supported Africa not even during the Cold War they relied on paramilitaries and mercenary scum all over and it was the Soviets who supported national liberation struggles. The only development America did was for Europe (very briefly) and Japan and S. Korea (not even Vietnam which they were supposedly fighting for) holy fuck even when you try to be a smartass you fail so horribly kill yourself.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 13:59:36 No. 643764
>>643724 >Because in the grand scheme of things they don't, Sure, but this doesn't mean we can avoid dealing with the material reality we're currently facing. It's like living in the 1920s and saying "well in 2021 social democracy will have been cast aside by the bourj cause it's no longer useful to them, therefore we don't need to worry about the SPD turning traitor" - technically true, but we're trying to win a political battle not just theorize.
>>643726 Because the western worker is able to benefit from social democratic reforms that aren't available to the hyperexploited worker elsewhere. Sure, that state of affairs is limited to a certain time and place, not some built in benefit you get for being white or speaking English or smth, but it's a benefit nontheless.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:00:19 No. 643767
>>643760 Are you physically incapable of speaking like a normal person or are you so thoroughly autistic that you can only talk through memes?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:00:32 No. 643768
>>643758 >What the fuck is a Fleming? A dutch speaking Belgian. Weird insult because Congo was colonized when Belgium was still dominated by the french speaking minority, hence why congolese speak french and not dutch (on top of native languages)
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:01:24 No. 643770
>>643767 Fleming is literally the english term, you catamite
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fleming Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:01:59 No. 643771
>>643768 But it’s mostly flemings who’re wignats in Belgium from what I here
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:03:19 No. 643773
Finally, at the bottom ITT:>Euros perfectly prove my point by foaming at the mouth about how holding most of mankind hostage in bourgeois European empires is uhhhh ackshually the communist position <How dare you call us fascists, filthy Burgerstan, kek, bet you think liberating nations from European domination is something communists would support?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:04:19 No. 643774
>>643764 >social democratic reforms that aren't available to the hyperexploited worker elsewher Those did not spontaneously appear, they were won by class struggle and labour agitation. Not coincidentally after the world wars, when people were trained to use arms and very pissed. It was not a conspiracy between western proles and their exploiters.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:05:16 No. 643777
>>643773 This is true, but you’re also an anticommunist asshole, who thinks that these people are representative of all Marxist Movements and Marxists.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:05:44 No. 643778
>>643774 It was a method to placate the westoid proles
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:07:13 No. 643781
>>643777 Haha
You’re a dishonest rat
No I don’t think fucking leftypol of all people is representative of “communism”
I think leftypol is representative of itself and also what fucktons of European communists (and them specifically) tend to think
And I do think fuck tons of Euros either consciously or unconsciously support fascism
The Western coast of Eurasia is not the entire world, believe it or not
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:12:19 No. 643788
>>643781 Also
>Inb4 “you sound mean” Yes, I am genuinely angry
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:13:59 No. 643791
>>643768 Flemoids are the lowest of the lowest scum of the earth. It is they who uphold the legacy of Leopold and Belgian colonialism today. Flanders used to be a lowly developed land filled with poor illiterate peasants who had famines evey decade, starving in mass, being the cucks of the Church and landlords.
Meanwhile Walloon chads were one of the most OG proletarians of Europe, forming unions, striking, and organizing in the communist party, spreading communist propaganda and tactics to their Comrades in Congo. The Wallon workers grinded and built the foundation of this country, while the peasants in flanders only reaped off the benefits and now want to split in Belgium after they looted Wallonia of their industry.
Also societe generale was based in Brussels which is in Flanders
sage sage 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:28:22 No. 643810
>>643788 You're not angry at all you ignored every good post in this entire thread that punctured your dumb opinions and instead responded to weak ass one sentence bait replies who treated like what you are: a troll. Meanwhile you spent entire paragraphs raging over muh euros as if that's a substitute for actual Marxist analysis lol. I suppose the one benefit of this thread is that it proved no troll can successfully imitate a socialist since it requires too much reading and thought so all any troll can do is resort to race and country baiting like an American lmao. Good for (yous) I guess if that's what you wanted but you didn't even get anyone mad just shocked at how unbelievably stupid your posts were.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:44:52 No. 643827
>>643810 >You're not angry at all you ignored every good post in this entire thread that punctured your dumb opinions and instead responded to weak ass one sentence bait replies who treated like what you are: a troll. This is what eco-anarchist-flag-anon does, anon. He uses the board as a platform to get angry and to make himself feel smart, just ignore him.
BTW, Americans talking about Europeans and Europe looks just as retarded and cringeworthy to everyone on this board as you would expect someone talking about Africa and Africans to be.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:49:45 No. 643832
>>643748 You sound like a racist yourself, calling people whitoid or eastern subhuman (yikes). Face it, modern day Europeans are the least racist people on the planet, and that's a fact.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:54:16 No. 643836
>>643772 I respect your opinion, but disagree with it.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 14:54:58 No. 643838
>>643791 >Meanwhile Walloon chads were one of the most OG proletarians of Europe They sure were. Now they're just lumpens living of the dole.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 15:08:39 No. 643853
>>643696 >You are either retarded or a glowie not sure which but I can 100% guarantee that unlike yourself I'm an actual ethnic minority so your hysterical screeching over racism can be shoved back to reddit where you will be applauded by your fellow whites. All you're doing is spitting out Dem talking points. You're not even old enough to remember when the Dems were hyperventilating and pretending that Bush Jr was preparing to declare martial law and abolish bourgeois democracy somehow. Your emotional outbursts and inability to assess things rationally (as if Jim Crow would ever come back) testifies to your immaturity and lack of both historical knowledge and political experience. Shut off MSNBC and stop hanging around idiots in coffee shops. Better yet, gtfo off this website and stop pretending that you're a socialist, let alone a Marxist. Baseeeeed.
I know euros who actually organize know this already, but we, in LATAM, see you and recognize you as comrades. Please try to get in touch with us if you haven't already.
It's pathetic that this burger green flag intends to speak for us. They don't. We speak for ourselves and we say:
🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝
INTERNATIONAL CAMARADERIE FOREVER 🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝
International camaraderie with all comrades who wave red or black flags; with all comrades who are fighting for emancipation, not from top down (reformist and other imperialist collaborators) but from below and from the left.
Saludo cálido y felices fiestas compas!
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 15:18:03 No. 643862
>>643810 Know what, I actually am angry, I’m angry at how smug you people all are, have you ever done anything at all for the labor movement aside from posting online and reading books? Have you ever even tried? Was your attempt joining a socialist book club?
I once actually did organize with other socialists a time ago, we would meet up to attend protests, were gathering information about the things going on in our neighborhood, were organizing meetings for community members to discuss the housing situation around our neighborhood (basically many resident slumlords that ran shoddy houses, rents raising for many local residents, people being thrown out on the street)
Now, what threw this part of my life off track was the pandemic, which forced me to move back home and leave that city, since it cost ended my job and all my roommates were moving out.
There are a few honest posters here, that Sage guy I respect since I know for sure he’s active in the labor movement in the UK, if anyone deserves to be smug it’s him, but most of the people? And honestly it really does make the mind spin seeing Euro socialists respond to my initial post that was not even about them specifically but the European populace in general in current year, i.e. people of every political bend. And how did these guys “BTFO” my post? But saying these attitudes I stated in the OP are actually justified, and anyway Americans are worse and also if you read Marx you’d see that actually supporting mid-20th Century French colonialism is based and Marxist
Wtf?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 15:43:01 No. 643877
merimutt mad
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 16:05:13 No. 643894
>>643774 see
>>643660 While it's true that the working class of Europe fought to achieve their benefits, it's also true that the magnitude of benefits received was only made possible by the amount of wealth the western bourj had looted from the world, and (more importantly) granted these concessions specifically to split more pliant sections of the working class off from the labor movement, and to legitimize itself and blunt communism's appeal once the Soviet Union came into existence. We can see the success of this strategy in the fate of the western labor movement - various levels of co-option, disillusionment, etc (helped along by the threat/deployment of violence against those who were unwilling to get with the program, of course).
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 16:24:55 No. 643907
>>643894 what you are saying is only true for the pre-neoliberal period.
But even for the socdem period, if you subtract the cut the capitalists took out, and of course the cost of imperialism it self, most of the western welfare system by itself looks sustainable.
Today productivity has increased so much that austerity isn't based on economic reality, rather ruling classes appear to have degenerated to a point where they try to rule by inflicting suffering.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 17:04:32 No. 643943
>>643836 NTA, but I don’t respect yours. You’re a willfully ignorant schmuck.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 17:21:07 No. 643973
>>634507 Is it just me or has this place been completely overrun by schizos
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 17:46:49 No. 644019
>>643862 This is an anonymous imageboard you stupid fucking retard. People do not come here to organize nor to doxx themselves speaking about the org they work with.
Also you fucking sperglord, stop talking about shit you don't know. Europe is not a giant fucking blob full of homogeneous situations, social and political realities differs beetween countries and regions, and by going apeshit against the burgerotten idea in your head of what europe is you just demonstrate what a sad little shit your are.
For everyone's sake, just go to reddit so you can attentionwhore as much as you like without busting our balls with your infantile narcissism.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 17:59:27 No. 644030
I would argue that as of now US leftism is further developed than leftism in Europe. I would also argue that the US is less racist than Europe.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:10:08 No. 644043
>>644030 >I would argue that as of now US leftism is further developed than leftism in Europe. Can you give us your arguments, anon?
NGL you still sound retarded and like you don't know what you're talking about when you make such statements as 'europe', (replace it with 'africa' and see how dumb that sounds?) but i would like to hear your argument.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:17:18 No. 644053
>>644043 Because the thread is about Europe and not a particular country…
Americans don't care about your ethnicity. It is like a fashion statement to some. They don't even know that many countries. It is easier to be assimilated and accepted as one of them. Europeans, no matter how hard you try, will never accept you as one of them, even not if you are in the 3rd or 4th generation, if you don't happen to be white and Christian.
Americans are more aware of the intersection between "race" (bullshit category but bear with me) and class, or racism and classism. Europeans even deny that racism exists in Europe.
The USA has more left-populist sentiment than many European countries except for maybe Greece and Cyprus.
Europe has a bigger "organized left" but less normies nowadays. Europe doesn't even have Bernie Sanders like figures. Communist parties sold out, became irrelevant and only recently started to slowly bounce back.
>>644048 Wrong, brown "European".
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:31:36 No. 644065
>>644053 >Americans don't care about your ethnicity. It is like a fashion statement to some. Except many if not most americans can and do tell you their ethnicity down to great great great grandparents and that they are as much as '1/12 X' whilst most if not many europeans couldn't tell you accurately what ethnicity their families are past their grandparents so that doesn't really make sense.
>It is easier to be assimilated and accepted as one of them. Is that even a good thing that you have to errase your culture and whatnot completely an d'assimilate' to be accepted in the USA? I like in European countries that we have vibrant ethnic communities and cultural input and cannot see how you could spin the negatives in to positives and visa versa here.
>Europeans, no matter how hard you try, will never accept you as one of them, even not if you are in the 3rd or 4th generation, if you don't happen to be white and Christian. <he thinks europeans are overwhelmingly christian Okay anon, be honest. What countries in europe have you actually livex exacty? It's insane to say 3rd and 4th generations are not accepted, look around anon it is not Priti Patel that has the label of potential terrorist sympathiser thorwn at her, it is only every non-afro brown american that holds office.
>Americans are more aware of the intersection between "race" (bullshit category but bear with me) and class, or racism and classism. Europeans even deny that racism exists in Europe. Americans regularly confuse race and class, so much so that it is becoming an (admitely small) problem in part of europe because stunted american politics around not understanding the intersection between race and class has been learned through shitty burger media.
>The USA has more left-populist sentiment than many European countries except for maybe Greece and Cyprus. Can you back this up with anything? because it flies in the face of all my experiences in many EU countries.
>Europe has a bigger "organized left" but less normies nowadays. Europe doesn't even have Bernie Sanders like figures. Communist parties sold out, became irrelevant and only recently started to slowly bounce back. Europe doesn't have socdems? Europe has many sockdems. What?
No offence anon but it sounds very much like you have an opinion and you are very much trying to force the facts to fit.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:42:41 No. 644074
>>644043 >replace it with 'africa' and see how dumb that sounds? Know your audience lol. Replace Europe with The Americas instead, since that implies they are in the same boat as the brown Latin Americans and they will understand that culture is different.
>>644030 I've lived in both as well and simply, no. Europe has much more mature and non insane leftists. They are more "advanced" than many Latin American countries too, since the dirty war basically killed all LATAM leftists.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:42:51 No. 644076
>>644065 >Except many if not most americans can and do tell you their ethnicity down to great great great grandparents and that they are as much as '1/12 X' whilst most if not many europeans couldn't tell you accurately what ethnicity their families are past their grandparents so that doesn't really make sense. That's exactly it: A fashion statement, a dinner party factoid, nothing more for most.
And I like to be accepted as an equal member of society. Instead, despite having a PhD, being vastly more educated than most whitoids here, earning vastly more money, speaking their own native tongue better than them, have to prove myself everytime I go anywhere that I am worthy, that I am not some dumbass or terrorist or wifebeater or something, I get worse chances at finding a home, a job, my car gets checked more often and much more. The USA has less of this, comparatively speaking. Obviously the USA is no utopia either but I felt more at ease.
They are "culturally Christians", no point in denying this. Muh judeo-christians values is all I hear.
I am 3rd generation. And what are you?
At least those people can even hold office. Can you for one moment imagine that a Turkish person leads France? Or a Congolese person?
And Europeans deny that racism even exists and say oh it is just an American problem, as if we don't see police beatings in Europe either. Only difference is we get shot less (happens too though).
What left-populist movements have any traction in Europe right now? Greece and Cyprus and MAYBE Catalonia.
European socdems don't even touch the socialism word and are mostly neoliberal parties since the 90s. Come on.
And you sound like the offended whitoid who denies racism exists in Europe and always smugly points to America as if our racism isn't embedded much deeper into society.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:46:04 No. 644078
>>644074 Europe has a better "left core" but US American normies right now are more susceptible to leftism than European normies.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:53:34 No. 644086
>>644078 Susceptibility, I'm sorry to say, means nothing. Either there is leftist shit going on, or there isn't. Hypothetical activity is not real. In that sense, Europe is way ahead, but that doesn't mean its close to anything and they face serious issues like many organizations around the world.
Political organization in some places I personally am aware of has grown 600+% in the last 5 years. But that growth rate tapers. The left is growing in the west, for sure, but how much and for how long is anyone's guess. Leftist orgs are still powerless pretty much everywhere in the west.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:53:53 No. 644089
>>644065 Come to think of it: It's actually insane to have experienced racism nearly all my life in Europe as a 3rd generation Muslim and then get told by whitoids that no I am in fact wrong. If I was more gullible this alone would turn me into a Sakaist Gonzalofag or whatever kids do these days. Shut the fuck up. I've had new school teachers ask if I can even speak our language despite having been the best in class just because my hair was black. I've had all sorts of police profiling, all sorts of problems with professors and teachers and police officers and civil servants and security guards and cashiers. I've been rejected from entering nightclubs. I regularly avoid buying electronics IRL because the main chain here has security guards who always check me afterwards which is just humiliating. My family had been monitored by police because we were involved in the local mosque.
It is YOU who is insane trying to tell me what my life is about instead of listening. Fuck you for making me even say this shit. Americans, as retarded as they are, are slightly better in this regard. They have many other faults and their own can of brainworms, but I will give respect where it is due.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:58:12 No. 644091
>>644086 What is your activity worth if it doesn't translate into shit?
European leftists have already reached their ceiling, often laying around at 4% to 8% of the vote.
Just because we have more squatters and autonomous LARPers doesn't make us more "advanced".
If this were Europe 1960s I would agree with you, but Europe 2021?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:08:52 No. 644104
>>644089 I was also randomly beaten in a train once by adult skinheads when I was 13 out of the blue, I didn't know these men or even spoke to them. The whites around me looked on and didn't intervene. I felt so violated that I even surpressed this memory for a long time. But here he comes, the leftypol "ex-/pol/ leftist", telling me I am insane for suggesting third generations were not accepted.
I lived in the USA for a while. Yeah there were shitheads there too but people said "Were are you from? Oh yeah? Cool." and moved on. They cared more about what you did (i.e. your socioeconomic position) than who you were. And this was in a metropolitan area in the southern states.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:22:54 No. 644114
>>643894 >it's also true that the magnitude of benefits received was only made possible by the amount of wealth the western bourj had looted from the world Interesting hypothesis. So where was the Soviet or East German worker's wealth looted from, since they enjoyed a comparable standard of living to that of western workers? Also, the time period most of these "imperialist bribes" were dished out (read: beaten out of the porky like a fucking pinjata by a militant working class) corresponds to, as the other anon said, to the post-war period. What is especially interesting about this period? Draught of imperial blunder compared to pre-war era, thanks to the rise of the Socialist bloc and third world liberation movements.
Of course you can make tha case that the workers were able to win these struggles because the economy was developed enough due to previous imperialism (and you'd be right), but that doesn't change the nature that AT THE POINT OF STRUGGLE it is still in the interests of the working class in the developed world to support the workers in the exploited developing world. At no point in history has any worker's movement succesfully brokered a deal with the bourgeoisie that allows the bourgeoisie go on a-pillaging if they give substantial enough gibs to Western proles. That's not how that shit works.
An important factor in what drives imperialism in the first place is porky's need to subvert labour costs ie. increase profits and gain competitive advantage over other porkies. Making this kind of deal as a pre-meditated strategy doesn't work, because some greedier porky will just outcompete him and buy him out. Conversely, the workers can't actually effectively fight for better gains if they don't organized internationally. The Trump supporting white proles weren't demanding porky to go exploit Jorges even harder so they can get more crumbs. They were angry about their daddy-porky exploiting Jorges instead of good ol' Tuckers.
Picrel is a propaganda poster of the Finnish union movement form the 80's which says "Support your Comrade in South-Africa". Even in it's neutered SocDem form the Finnish unions instinctively understood the need for international solidarity, and in this country they were at the center of boycott and other international support efforts for the black SA workers.
TL;DR Third Worldism is bad for you brain.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:25:54 No. 644117
>>644089 >>644104 In which European country do you live?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:28:33 No. 644119
>>644091 It takes an enormous amount of work to set up democratic human systems that can expand and train new members. Orgs now hold the scaffold for future orgs. Organizing is important to develop useful theory. There's also a huge amount of crucial tacit and unwritable knowledge that gets transfered to new members.
Anarchist style activities are crucially important for MLs as well and have been instrumental in keeping orgs alive as clandestine operations, as well as keeping org members safe. Squats are literally free real estate. Many MLs are formally employed, and employees usually pay 2/3 of their salary in rent or mortgage. Freeing up that amount of money to fund revolutionary activities, including setting up more squats, is a crucial activity that has gone unused so far. Anarchists have unwritten knowledge of how to set up squats that they pass down to new members.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:32:36 No. 644123
>>644117 Nggas probably from France of all shitholes
Same place still has an age of consent below 18
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:33:15 No. 644124
>>644117 The one that lost two world wars over this shit.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:37:08 No. 644127
>>644114 Oh and btw, the supportive actions taken by the Finnish union movement involved a strike on handling any imports and exports from South Africa that went on for years. Even SocDems were based in those days.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:37:33 No. 644128
>>644076 >>644076 >And I like to be accepted as an equal member of society. Instead, despite having a PhD, being vastly more educated than most whitoids here, earning vastly more money, speaking their own native tongue better than them, have to prove myself everytime I go anywhere that I am worthy, that I am not some dumbass or terrorist or wifebeater or something, I get worse chances at finding a home, a job, my car gets checked more often and much more. The USA has less of this, comparatively speaking. Obviously the USA is no utopia either but I felt more at ease. To me the big difference is that whilst there are obviously these problems in europe despite many people, politicos and companies being racist there are also a bunch that are not, especially in more metropolitan areas. The big difference between EU and US is that in the US even those 'non-racist' hold a worldview that puts race front and center, weather it is to attack or defend they see the blackness of skin before all else.
>I am 3rd generation. And what are you? I am also 3rd generation, anon. Greek-Cypriot. So whilst 100% 'European' also visibly that would be 'Arab' to most anglos and etc.
>At least those people can even hold office. Can you for one moment imagine that a Turkish person leads France? Or a Congolese person? Well Priti Patel holds one of the most powerful positions in the UK. She will probably be their next Prime Minister.
>And Europeans deny that racism even exists and say oh it is just an American problem, as if we don't see police beatings in Europe either. Only difference is we get shot less (happens too though). I do not think that's true. I think most people are aware of racism in europe. The main difference is that it is not as simple as american 'Colorism'. Pics related.
>What left-populist movements have any traction in Europe right now? Greece and Cyprus and MAYBE Catalonia. Define populist, but in the last decade we had M-15, Gilets Jaunes, Corbyn, Five-Star Movement. to name a few large movements.
>European socdems don't even touch the socialism word and are mostly neoliberal parties since the 90s. Come on. Is who and who isn't supposedly a True and Loyal Leftist really the weeds we want to waste our time getting lost in here? Come on.
>And you sound like the offended whitoid who denies racism exists in Europe and always smugly points to America as if our racism isn't embedded much deeper into society. <everyone I don't like is just a heckin mean whitey! You are probably actually an american and if not consume and interact with far to much burgershit. This is why nobody never take you people seriously.
>>644079 I have never heard actually british people claim Khan is a terrorist sympathiser. All that stuff about Khan and London in the english speaking press seems to come out of FOX News and Tommas Robinson, the EDL man who's main audience is Canadian and North American white nationalists who want to be able to point at parts of europe to confirm their nonsense ideas about 'great hoards of browns' and the like. I have spent much time in the UK unfortunately and have seriously never heard it outside of literal neo-nazi onlines and americans.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:43:55 No. 644138
>>644079 Why was my post deleted?
>>644128 >Literally the prime minster said it in parliament >I have never heard actually british people claim Khan is a terrorist sympathiser. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/mps-shout-racist-at-cameron-after-comments-on-sadiq-khan-in-pmqs Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:44:46 No. 644140
>>644129 >As a BLACK man Unless you are super lightskin nobody will believe this.
>>644128 >To me the big difference is that whilst there are obviously these problems in europe despite many people, politicos and companies being racist there are also a bunch that are not, especially in more metropolitan areas. The big difference between EU and US is that in the US even those 'non-racist' hold a worldview that puts race front and center, weather it is to attack or defend they see the blackness of skin before all else. What are you even fucking saying? Learn to write more coherently.
<Well this one far-right token brownie is powerful so racism doesn't exist Brilliant mind you are.
Yet they try to downplay it, like (you)
Even a yankee can hold correct views. Shocking, isn't it?
Fuck off.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:45:32 No. 644141
>>644121 >Revolutionary squatterism? Yes. Many if not most squats are revolutionary projects. The squat scene in many euro countries is currently being violently supressed exactly because they are often the nucleus of
or form integral infrastructure within the framework of resistance as well as brings in new people as we are often housing normal people who do not have other housing options, for example the big push within the squatter milieu to aid in housing both migrant and homeless communities.
>Anarchists have unwritten knowledge of how to set up squats that they pass down to new members. It is really not 'unwritten' there are many zines and books and such. The UK has the english language 'Squatters handbook' which gets a new edition every few years and has been published by A.S.S since the 70s. It should be here with a bunch of others, too:
https://en.squat.net/books/ Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:46:59 No. 644144
>>644128 >Anglo-souled med thinking their opinion counts Cringe.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:48:51 No. 644146
>>644138 Fair point. I don't really read about london-centric news when I keep abreast of what happens in the UK, sorry.
I usually hear him being called a terrorist only in weird burger conspiracy theories that blend Khan, knife-crime, muslim immigrant hoards all together to form some kind of marauding-mega-gang that roves through London stabbing Christians to form sharia law in Daggenam..
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:50:17 No. 644148
>>644146 >What the PM says is now London-centric news Oh fuck off scum.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:50:43 No. 644149
>>644142 That’s all I needed
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:52:21 No. 644150
>>644142 >>644149 >That’s all I needed Cum tribute thread?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:57:50 No. 644154
>>644148 UK media has a big problem with hyper-fixating on London because they all live there. For most of the country and world they are simply not interested in hearing about london council politics, who is the mayor, what happened on X street, and all that. You either live in London or consume to much UK media if you place particular importance to what happens there. It isn't the center of the universe, just another shitty city and worse than most all other capitals, no matter what the anglo-menace likes to project.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:59:50 No. 644158
>>644154 David Cameron is the PRIME MINISTER, it is NOT London-centric news just because the parliament happens to be there.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 20:00:34 No. 644159
>>644154 >David Cameron is the PRIME MINISTER, it is NOT London-centric news just because the parliament happens to be there. Meaning he was the PM at the time of the article of course.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 20:01:06 No. 644162
>>644158 Yes. the guy who was the Prime Minister talking about THE MAYOR OF LONDON. Literally london centric shit… who tf cares about the london mayor bro? There is no good reason to even know his name. you're dumb if you think most people be payin attention to that shit.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 20:13:29 No. 644176
>>644162 So if Trump calls Modi a shithead cow-lover does that make it "New Delhi centric" news? You are a fucking fraud.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 20:15:24 No. 644183
>>644176 But he is a shithead cowlover
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 20:39:10 No. 644210
>>644089 Sorry that you had to go through this, but there are thousands of white people undergoing oppression in South Africa right now.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 21:01:08 No. 644230
>>644129 Idpolers suck. Idk, report and ignore them.
>>644089 Wtfff. I saw a young black teen probably returning from school, walking with a more white arabic looking teen get ambushed by police and searched the FUCK out of him. They cleaned out the lint out of his pockets, emptied out his bag. This was in Berlin. I had never seen that before elsewhere.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 21:41:48 No. 644273
OP is 100% correct
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 21:45:34 No. 644276
>>642877 WTF are you talking about? the only ones who do it in Europe are a fringe minority of NGO voluntaries, and while the US National Guard (just like Euroach Forces) might not help refugees directly, they certanly don't beat them until they're put in a coma, or use live ammunition against them, AND the average American citizen would certantly NEVER vote for people who want to do it, unlike in the fascist ethnocratic hellhole that is the peninsula called Europe.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 21:53:08 No. 644283
>>644276 >the only ones who do it in Europe are a fringe minority of NGO voluntaries, And often Americans LMAO.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-millionaire-helps-rescue-hundreds-refugees-migrants-mediterranean/story?id=39722749 Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 21:58:27 No. 644290
>>644283 Once again me and OP proven correct, I despise Europe with every fiber of my being
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 22:12:23 No. 644316
>>643810 >race and country baiting kinda half of this thread is that
Somebody might be trying out new wrecker tactics, like the intention is to get people fighting about this meaningless stuff, instead of focusing their anger against the ruling class.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:55:03 No. 646230
>>644316 I don't see any baiting here, just facts stated
And bf you call me American indeed I am, but from the Southern part of the continent
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:56:54 No. 646233
New world peoples in general are far more empathetic and less prone to display anti-social behavior such as racism and xenophobia
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 02:07:24 No. 646240
>>644273 OP is a meme, and you are a meme too
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 08:11:08 No. 646485
>>644316 Sakaists, race realists, idpolers, etc are all generally the same posters here. They are unironic.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 02:47:17 No. 647654
>>634519 >The only countries getting shit just happen to be on the periphery where migrants try to cross the border >"Getting shit" means EU keeps funding more walls, surveillance and sending people back How convenient
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 04:50:55 No. 647767
>>644316 people don't want to fight the ruling class because that's hard
it's easier to crush some poor fuck who just crossed the meditarranean with all his belongings in a plastic bag
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 05:05:07 No. 647775
>>634507 Never ever met a white man who didn't pin all the blame on global south.
https://youtu.be/6RF5vx1W_kk Here utsa patnaik talks about how economics(be it neoclassical or marxist or Keynesian or whatever) is constructed by global north and they this on global south ignoring everything about global south from the equation).
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 06:56:55 No. 647878
>>647775 Utsa patnaik and co atill are marxists or neomarxists who deem the said’s analysis to be incomplete.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 07:47:31 No. 647893
>>647878 Yeah but they aren't global north marxists. Fucks like David Harvey literally say shit like imperialism doesn't exist.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 08:17:03 No. 647906
>>647775 I've never heard of this.
Some american "marxists" are trash, but you don't need this guy to tell you that.
t. Global southerner
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 08:31:53 No. 647912
>>634507 Demoralising BS. It’s nothing like this in England. When I go out I see stalls distributing communist literature, when I turn on the TV I see anti racist commercials and news networks supporting BLM. Right wing parties have no democratic pull. The minority of thick whiteoids who go on about ‘homelands’ are irrelevant. The fact is London is now minority ‘British’ (Whatever that means) and reactionaries have no influence when it comes to immigration.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 11:14:35 No. 648002
>>647912 England is a single country in Europe
The average European is pro Fortress Evropa and massacring refugees from the wars they gleefully participated in
And when climate change forces massive migration not only will they slaughter refugees, they will turn around and genocide every non-white in Europe as well
>Demoralizing Demoralizing would be the GS failing to defeat imperialism and China losing to the Western empires, Europeans being what they’ve always been is simply to be expected
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 11:49:57 No. 648027
merimutt stay mad
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 13:12:52 No. 648066
>>648002 You're such a fucking ignorant retard that refuses to stop being a fucking ignorant retard despite being made aware of their condition.
México kills an insane amount of refugees and migrants. I don't see you crying about that shit. You're a fucking fed or as retarded as one.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 13:17:55 No. 648074
>>648066 Insults disguised as an argument, why don’t you kill yourself?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 13:44:24 No. 648097
>>648074 >Insults disguised as an argument, This is literally all you ever post. Fuck off will you, hypocritical uyghur.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 14:10:29 No. 648115
>>642461 There's a pipeline to nativism.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 14:53:38 No. 648174
>>648002 >>648002 Whiteoids are getting outnumbered in major cities throughout Western Europe. Even if they were seething about this, what are they actually gonna do?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 14:56:02 No. 648177
>>648074 I want you to say all the retarded shit you've been saying ITT but put in the little mexican indians who are doing the exact same thing.
Or are they too innocent because they are uneducated and brown? Say it, you fucking coward.
Your average mexican is worse in basically every regard to the average british or european person, less educated, more selfish, more violent. More refugees and migrants have been killed by Mexican hands. Where are the fresh mass graves of nameless migrants? Are they in england? No. So say it, you squirmy piece of shit. Direct your retarded vitriol to Mexicans.
You can't and you won't because you're a racist idpol retard who's remaining handful of neurons are fried by copious amounts of corn syrup, burger paste, and high grade propaganda.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 15:17:41 No. 648201
So many wars and genocides in the 20th century left marks in every European family. Every country in Europe is unique of course.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 15:23:44 No. 648206
>>648177 Mexican reactionaries also deserve a painful and miserable death, as do all reactionaries in every country in every part of the world, even if the Taliban outlasted the US in Afghanistan does not mean communists should not seek to destroy them :)
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 15:27:02 No. 648209
>>648174 Muh demographic replacement is a bizarre racist cope, there are more “white” Europeans now than at any point in history, they aren’t being “outnumbered” in Europe and this bizarre rhetoric is exactly the kind of shit people start saying prior to ethnic cleansing/genocide etc. in a time of immense scarcity and heightened contradictions
“Races” of human aren’t in competition where one must prevail, the fact that all the different aesthetic phenotypes put together outnumber the people with the phenotype specifically from the West Coast of Eurasia doesn’t mean “muh whites” are being subject to “genocide”
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 16:03:33 No. 648239
>>648206 Typical imperialist scum. You wish the painful death from the subjects of your imperialism that you benefit from.
I guess all the bitching and whineing in this thread about the euros was pure projection. I bet you're one of those arizonites that hunts migrants crossing the border.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 16:26:29 No. 648253
>>648239 Oh I’m sorry, you think the attack dogs of imperialism in these countries, who violently quash the communists in their own country and thus assure either endless war or their own subjugation, should be upheld and defended. You’re a fucking woke Pinochet stan, eh? Pathetic libtard
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:00:38 No. 648280
>>648253 >t. Has never been outside their zip code Ok
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:03:01 No. 648281
>>648280 >Has never been outside their zip code Would expain a lot. Unironically I bet money this dumb burgoid doesn't even own a passport.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:10:23 No. 648292
>>648280 >>648281 So the pathetic cope you little rats fall to is muh burger no been to other cuntry because uhhhh he doesn’t cock suck reactionary faggots the way I do
You’re a fucking rodent mate
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:12:04 No. 648295
>>648239 I dont get how whites can’t see the manifold ways they benefit from endless state imposed mass immigration from the developing world.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:18:25 No. 648303
>>642411 >I fucking love science Cope harder
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:09:27 No. 648358
>>648295 You're a retard too. Don't pretend we're on the same side.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:14:33 No. 648366
>>648358 What side are you on if you’re not on the side of the integration of different cultures and races under a progressive globalist system which rejects Eurocentric nativism?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:16:48 No. 648368
>>648366 NTA, but I’m on the side that doesn’t displace people economically or politically in the capitalist periphery to work shit jobs and be treated as 2nd/3rd class citizens in the imperial core.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:19:10 No. 648370
>>648366 Integrating cultures makes no sense. Cultures are an active process of becoming, they are not reified objects. Why would you want that in the first place. Race is fake.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:23:27 No. 648378
>>648370 I’m black, I exist. My heritage is not fake, my future is not fake, and these things are intertwined with my blackness. You have the luxury of white skin and moralistic race blind posturing.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:25:21 No. 648381
>>648378 They are. In the old country you would be one or the other many ethnic groups, not black. And if you don’t understand the difference, that’s because you’re a burger.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:27:33 No. 648383
>>648381 Caucasoid whining and neoliberal deconstruction.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:30:55 No. 648390
>>648383 >No counterargument <Resorts to malding Many such cases. You think that if some day you’re no longer “black” that your physical appearance, your material and immaterial culture and whatever the hell else would disappear? These identities which you cling to are temporary, fleeting phenomena that will be lost to the sands of time as the material conditions that define it change.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:31:59 No. 648396
>>648381 I'm not white, burger imperialist scum. Don't respond to me unless it's an apology.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:33:48 No. 648399
>>648396 You’re really bad at false flagging, dontcha know?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:33:51 No. 648400
>>648390 I never thought about it that way. I’m not really uniquely impacted on under capitalism and institutional racism as a person of color because I don’t really exist. Wait until I tell the Jews they were never subject to geocide as their collective existence is arbitrary and ephemeral.
Retard. Black Lives Matter, Neanderthal.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:40:10 No. 648408
>>648400 >switching goal posts Your “unique impact” is a product of capitalism itself. Black lives certainly matter, but capitalism necessitates their marginalization. As for jews, this is again a product of modes of production and the social realities they experienced, first as a way for feudal leaders to divert the blame off themselves and then for other capitalists to pretend that all the parts of capitalism that people didn’t like were the fault of this one group.
And this all assuming this isn’t false flagging.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:40:45 No. 648412
>>648406 >No proofs
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:48:53 No. 648425
>>648399 KYT el prro osiko gringo qlero, bales berga jajaja ni trates de traducirlo, torta ignorante.
>My heritage is not fake Literally the most fake shit ever. Your heritage only exists as an apparent form of present conditions, including your cultural context. "Heritage" is some fucking aristocratic ideology. You obviously like to use this word to mystify what it actually entails.
>my future is not fake Where is it, please take a picture of your future and upload it here, thanks.
You have the luxury of living in the most brainwashed country in the world obsessed with racial issues which apparently prevent you from seeing what's right in front of your face.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:58:16 No. 648442
>>648425 Non parlo spagnolo, ma sto aprendendo l’italiano, allora lo compresi. Ma cazzo volevi dire?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 19:03:21 No. 648448
>>648442 No mientas.
What did I say about responding for any reason other than an apology?
I guess this is it. Thank you for your apology. Keep the humbleness going and educate yourself on proper class analysis as it relates to race.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 19:12:46 No. 648458
>>648448 Sei un bianco, lo so. Non credi, che sappiamo, quanti bianchi ha là in Latinoamerica?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 19:28:03 No. 648481
>>648479
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:19:32 No. 648609
I agree with you OP as a new worlder.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:33:41 No. 648633
>>648479
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:39:32 No. 648636
>>648633 They were doing counterterrorism operations, not killing muslims or putting them into camps wholesale. I don’t like the way they’re going about it, but to buy into mythhs and say “yeah, that’s actually a good thing” is stupid.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:40:19 No. 648639
>>648458 Shut the fuck up, black hammer cuck. Go fuck off about race play on /pol/ or go get pitty points on reddit. Basically everyone here is above your baby liberalism.
>>648618 You're a fucking retard if you think the common brit wants people to die in the ocean. They are entirety disconnected from the harsh reality that these migrants face. They are purposely kept in the dark.
Go fuck off with your bitch ass moralism and moral blackmailing elsewhere.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:41:00 No. 648640
>>648633 >Considering how dangerous Islam is I’d say good on China for trying to clear it out Least xenophobic "lefty"poler
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:42:17 No. 648641
>>648639 And are they going to care? Is this the cypriot angloid whose ancestors wasn’t sodomized hard enough by the turks? The one who thinks that being not racist is when you let a lightskin desi put the brown people into camps?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:44:51 No. 648644
>>648633 >>648378 Worst falseflagger I've ever seen.
Vast majority of this forum are "ex-pol" schmucks who haven't read half a Marx text and still couldn't let go of their chauvinism.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:46:38 No. 648647
>>648633 They're not trying to do that you dumbass, otherwise the Hui would be getting the same treatment. Rightoids always fall for the propaganda.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:46:49 No. 648648
>>648636 >2000s BUsh-era neocon "war on terror" politics is OK now because my red teams does it instead of the blue team, and because the blue team lied by comparing it to a genocide Dengoids in a nutshell
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:48:44 No. 648654
>>648644 >Vast majority of this forum This has been proven false many times. The issue is that you don't really remember or respond to posts you agree with. Whearas these retards can post absolute diarrhea and get responses, so they get "boosted".
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:49:07 No. 648656
>>648648 >Invading a faraway, fuck off country because of the mess you made destabilizing the communists who were actually doing something or your frenemy anticommunist dictator <Having an internal, domestic insurgency If you see these as the same you need to be reeducated
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:50:10 No. 648658
>>648653 Stop calling random people on the internet anglo or white. It's obvious you grew up in an anglo culture. Kindly shut the fuck up.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:51:06 No. 648660
>>648658 This would hold true if the anglo weren’t an actual anglo
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:51:23 No. 648661
>>648658 >Stop calling random people on the internet anglo or white. It's obvious you grew up in an anglo culture. I called you an anglo because you started ranting about the average brit after I mentioned The Mediterranean.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:00:51 No. 648675
>>648660 Black hammer anon and green flag anon have accused every single poster they have ever disagreed with as being white or anglo. It's incredibly convenient.
Greenflag then likes to whine that "nobody engages with my arguments". Gee wonder why. Americans should be banned from the internet.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:01:05 No. 648676
>>648654 >This has been proven false many times. Doesn't matter. these lefty-chvds like green-n-black flag fag will keep on repeating it because it confirms their weird menal image and biases.
I honestly feel bad for the kids that guy supposedly teaches.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:04:41 No. 648679
>>648676 Fuck.. are they a teacher? I wonder what hot takes they dish out on the regular.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:08:28 No. 648682
>>648654 Most effortposters have left this place years ago. All we are left with are retards. Even the few effort-posters who would even bother doing anything are all day writing in the Matrix chat instead of wasting their time here with you smoothbrains.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:10:54 No. 648684
>>648656 >A few knife attacks constitute a domestic insurgency that justify a brutal crackdown on any traditions even remotely connected to Islam in the Xinjiang region and re-settling benefits for Han Chinese Dengoid moment
How about re-educating the 600 billionaires China has? Oh wait, most of them are CPC members, NPC congress-members and one of their representatives is even in the standing committee of the Politburo…
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:11:36 No. 648686
>>648675 >Black hammer anon and green flag anon have accused every single poster they have ever disagreed with as being white or anglo. It's incredibly convenient. Schizo, read:
>>648661 >I called you an anglo because you started ranting about the average brit after I mentioned The Mediterranean. >>648618 >And tens of thousands died in the Mediterranean because that's what you'd prefer. >>648639 >You're a fucking retard if you think the common brit wants people to die in the ocean. Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:12:14 No. 648688
>>648682 Stop trying to make the matrix chat a thing you sad fuck
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:14:15 No. 648690
you all suck
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:14:56 No. 648692
>>648675 >Black hammer anon and green flag anon have accused every single poster they have ever disagreed with as being white or anglo. It's incredibly convenient. >Greenflag then likes to whine that "nobody engages with my arguments". Gee wonder why. Americans should be banned from the internet. >Black racists keep calling everyone anglo >EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER EVERYONE IS A BURGER The irony
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:17:35 No. 648693
>>648682 Many people just have less time. Many of us got busy with work or with our orgs. Also there tends to be waves. Last big thing I wrote was around 4 months ago. I've also not been able to read. I know some other leftypolers in a similar situation.
Also, you'd be surprised at how much impact one person can have in moving threads forward. I've personally curated posts with resources and good responses and people respond positively toward them.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:19:28 No. 648700
>>648686 Ok, i thought you were still on the british people stuff. Mexicans don't let migrants just die, they actively enslave them and kill them en masse. Whatever you say about euros you have to say about mexicans except worse.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:22:20 No. 648703
>>648679 >Fuck.. are they a teacher? They claim to be.
>I wonder what hot takes they dish out on the regular. On one hand it cannot be worse than regular burger education. On the other it's probably a whole new flavour of racism the little burgerettes probably hadn't even thought of.
>>648682 >Even the few effort-posters who would even bother doing anything are all day writing in the Matrix chat instead of wasting their time here with you smoothbrains. I've said it before i'll say it again. Matrix chat is actively harmful to leftypol.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:27:33 No. 648719
>>648715
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:30:32 No. 648721
>>648703 >I've said it before i'll say it again. Matrix chat is actively harmful to leftypol. I don't disagree but I think not having a chat could be more harmful in the long run. Maybe if we set up a thread that is an active mirror of the chat and posts on that thread get posted on the chat and vice versa? Maybe that could bring the chat to the board.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:56:56 No. 648747
>>648703 >Matrix chat is actively harmful to leftypol. A lot of communities get ruined by moving to chats. It becomes a secret club based on identity of users. Also content retention is even WORSE than on leftypol, which is already an abysmal format for effort-posts in comparison to forums because of threads cycling to death. Chats are even worse and the Matrix chat program is so janky you can't even search anything properly so it's lost for all times the moment the chat moved on from the topic.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:01:09 No. 648754
indirect
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:35:29 No. 648874
>>648723 Thank fuck I don’t have an ounce of anglo blood in me
You are severely sheltered and naive if you truly believe the only people that despise you cacks are your fellow honkies
No, the ethnics of the world actually don’t love you, bitch
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:37:58 No. 648878
>>648675 I accuse you people of being sheltered morons above all else
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:50:35 No. 648893
>>648723 >>648874 t.b.h. blood politics seems is kinda stoopid
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 01:10:26 No. 648912
>>648893 Racial Essentialism is retarded, yes.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 01:51:55 No. 648935
>>648874 >anglo blood The anglo meme just got so much more retarded.
Red-n-black you are the worst poster.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 10:53:54 No. 649303
>>648874 One can easily tell from your behavior that you are anglo socialized, no matter the blood.
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 10:05:05 No. 670280
>>642494 >Americans will have to liberate europe again and re-install democracy Who's the fascist now you historically illiterate American piece of shit
https://youtu.be/42C1L_5c8Vc Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 23:40:09 No. 671323
>>648935 He’s green and black. I hate to tell you this, anon, but you might be colorblind.
spidertits appreciator 2022-01-02 (Sun) 23:42:54 No. 671327
>>671252 wtf koreanon dont kill the furry girl
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 02:04:45 No. 671518
>>671327 >Parasocial relationship with a 2D cartoon Grow up.
Sabinyak 2022-01-03 (Mon) 07:06:48 No. 671768
>>671252 WTF DOOMGUY WOULD NEVER!
IM LITERALLY SHAKIN
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 09:10:11 No. 671815
>>671327 >>671768 >>671807 Please ban these people for shitting up /leftypol/ with their /siberia/ bullshit
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 09:23:15 No. 671819
>>671815 good luck, I'm a TOR poster :^)
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 09:39:03 No. 671821
>>671819 Oh WoOoOw so am I fuckface.
If you wanna shit go to the bathroom:
>>>/siberia/ Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 12:34:54 No. 671908
>>671906 The amount of jobs being "taken" is negligible.
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 12:54:06 No. 671923
>>671918 Housing prices are going up regardless because capitalists treat it like the stock market holding onto their property for years and years to artificially inflate the market on houses. This will happen regardless of your mistaken belief that brown people are bad. Most jobs they take too are jobs we don't even want. Really everything you said is pretty stupid.
People aren't migrating because porky wants them too people are migrating because porky destroyed their countries. Namely the middle east and south America via unhedged economic development in the regions.
As you mentioned it's true that third world labor is much cheaper but what you are saying doesn't make a lot of sense because the only way they can get the jobs that matter are through becoming actually citizens and that doesn't happen at the spooky rate you think it does.
Most of the jobs they do are landscaping, law cutting, and other shit most Americans won't touch anyways because Americans won't work for 6 dollars an hour.
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 14:53:04 No. 672039
>>671906 take that flag off /pol/
>The only successful socialist states are the ones with a strong sense of unity. Having a bunch of foreigners create counter tribes within the country https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm >>671918 >Capitalists know they can also export labour to cheaper nations and hire 3rd worlders who'll work for lower pay this is correct, and is also why we're likely to see a leveling out of the value of labour power as porky becomes less willing to invest in machinery due to the falling rate of profit
>individualistic Westerners being cucked by collectivist foreigners based if true. unfortunately it is not
>atomised life as a rentslave we're heading towards rentier capitalism due to the aforementioned falling rate of profit
>Evola fascism is unsustainable. like all class collaborationism.
Anonymous 2022-01-03 (Mon) 16:04:14 No. 672154
>>634507 >Fascism is when you dont want 100 million immigrants The fuck is this radlib "analysis" lol
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:58:18 No. 677169
smug euro lib cucks are a fucking cancer>muh anglos
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:59:34 No. 677173
>>672154 Now I want the 100 million immigranta in europe just to spite you
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:02:36 No. 677178
>>677169 true, it was the normans from the continent that created england as it is today
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:06:47 No. 677181
>>672154 The kind that sees what deluded fascist dogs European “communists” really are, seeing the racist lurid fantasies they have to conjure up to justify how they salivate and cheer while their EU scumfuck imperialist border guards slaughter refugees of European-backed wars and coups
You people disgust me to my very core, I hope the army of the colonized and New World communists put European fascism in its grave once and for all, alongside the national chauvinist so-called “socialists”
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:12:54 No. 677194
>>677181 Fascism isn't rising in Europe, you're just a deranged mutt who probably thought Trump was Hitler.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:15:56 No. 677201
>>677194 Haha, no, I think Trump was a joke, and fascism is certainly rising in Europe about as much as this virus rises around the world, you’re just another deranged European dog that thinks muh healthcare muh yankee means you aren’t nationalist psychopaths even as euro “communists” cheer on the massacre of refugees, Euro “greens” are giddy for NATO expansion, average European is enraged that more national chauvinist governments aren’t created, etc.
A European thinks his society isn’t “fascist” solely because they aren’t hanging refugees from the lampposts for everyone to gawk at, I’d imagine you’d say Germany wasn’t going fascist in 1930, European cuck
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:17:13 No. 677206
>>677201 Who cheers on the massacre of refugees
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:19:17 No. 677213
>>677206 The Europeans here and on stupidpol at the very least :)
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:23:33 No. 677221
>>677213 What the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:27:10 No. 677232
>>677201 Given your obsession with hating Euros I think you're more of a fascist than the people you're accussing.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:29:06 No. 677235
>>677232 I don’t “hate” “Europeans”
I hate fascists
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:41:16 No. 677252
>>642381 >It’s in your DNA You are a dirty racist and you deserved to be banned.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:43:54 No. 677253
>>677252 "reverse racism" is cringe
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 09:51:24 No. 677521
>>677252 Idk how else you can rationalize being a “communist” and then foaming at the mouth at lurid (totally imaginary) images of hundreds of millions of refugees flooding Europe and “infesting it”
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:13:55 No. 677530
>>677201 >"i'm gonna tell you what this people think in a nation in which i'v never been, which speaks a language i don't understand, and have a history i'v never studied" Peak burger narcissism.
If this isn't bait, consider putting a bullet in your brain.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:31:39 No. 677539
>>634507 >supported far-right parties as a consequence of seeing dirty brown people on the street Brown people who don't speak the language, have zero economic skills and are raping girls are record levels.
Access to white people and our resources is not a human right.
*laughs in chinese*
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:49:56 No. 677558
>>677539 At least you admit that it really is all about you Eurofucks endlessly swallowing rightoid tabloid excrement down your fucking esophagus and your bizarre, /pol/tier fetishist fixation on the notion of some swarthy brown foreigner fucking your pure hwite girls
See, pretty much every actual European here has proved my point, at least people in the New World are not filled with murderous rage when we see a person browner than a paper bag walking down the streer
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:52:53 No. 677560
>>677537 >we’re actually totally justified to exterminate refugees and migrants and put machine guns at our border You must be confusing Europe with America.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:55:41 No. 677562
>>677558 >people in the New World are not filled with murderous rage when we see a person browner than a paper bag walking down the streer Imagine saying this when half of the internet is filled with burger rightoid spewing hate against minorities.
Cope burgeroid, you don't know shit about anything.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:56:18 No. 677563
>>677562 4chan isn’t the average North and South American, crazy thought
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:05:17 No. 677568
>>677563 Then how it is most of the news that comes in europe from america are either people shooting in gay bars or mosques or cops killing black kids? Accept the fact that your an ignorant prick and fuck off.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:07:57 No. 677569
>>677568 > Then how it is most of the news that comes in europe from america are either people shooting in gay bars or mosques or cops killing black kids? Because those are the only things that happen internally that tend to gain global notoriety aside from US politics? Like, of course pigs, dirty animals, are racist; but most burgers aren’t pigs and half this country basically hate pigs. Shooting up mosques was actually one of you Euros, that’s a Euro thing and also that one NZ anglo. And the gay bar was some Muslim dude 7 years ago.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:10:25 No. 677570
>>677569 Why it is so easy for you excusing your own countrymen, but you fail so much to understand of how much europe is diverse?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:16:17 No. 677572
>>677570 Because european communists actually support this awful reactionary fascistic shit but New World communists don’t
America had the most militant labor movement at one point before it was crushed and has always had some of the highest potential for class struggle but Americans face a more powerful bourgeois state than anyone else
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:41:19 No. 677587
>>677572 >Because european communists actually support this awful reactionary fascistic shit Now this is a big claim i will need some actual proof.
Now ignoring everything else in this thread i want to explain you a thing. Europe is very, very diverse. You americans live in a continent that for one half speak english for the other spanish. I live in a continent in which if i drive for probably less then you need to go to your nearest big city i find myself in a completely different world, yes maybe i know that i'm still in europe but that isn't saying much. You burger can understand this if you think of going to mexico, but here every state that surruonds mine is practically another mexico fairly different from the mexico that sits on the opposit border. I don't think you understand the differences that there are beetween european states. Now i'm telling you this, because even i cannot speak for the whole of europe. The only one i actually know is my country, and have some notion on what happens in the others, but the information i get are not different from which you on the other side of the ocean can get. There are trends in european politics and there are maybe macroblocs "southern europe" "western europe" "eastern europe" that share more similiraties, but it is not easy to judge the general situation from the outside.
This is to explain to you the flaw of your opinions on europe and how your whining it's kinda pointless, even for the simple fact that to disprove one single of your statement i should spend my time narrating tha politics of my country, searching for sources that are in english, all while you can simply respond "hurr durr u racist".
So i'm asking, why are lowering even more the quality of this board with a thread in which you blindly vent your repressed anger without any costructive purpose?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:22:03 No. 677666
>>634520 >>634520 Brown people would do the same if they saw white men walking their streets and fraternizing with their women
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:25:19 No. 677668
>>677666 You’re just projecting mate, you cracker sexpat fucks go to other countries to rob women constantly and yet these men don’t rightfully kill you when you drag some woman off the street as though she’s an object
>>677587 I was indeed angry over reddit, yet reread this thread and really tell me I’m wrong
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:45:48 No. 677699
>>677221 He's completely deranged, if you havent noticed.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:46:57 No. 677702
>>677201 Again, what do refugees have to do with fascism?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:47:04 No. 677703
>>677668 >and yet these men don’t rightfully kill you when you drag some woman off the street as though she’s an object They don't drag your women anywhere. Those whores go with them willingly because they want money and running water. Now you "people", on the other hand, come to Europe and set up wide scale child rape gangs.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:49:13 No. 677705
>>677668 >you cracker sexpat fucks go to other countries to rob women constantly and yet these men don’t rightfully kill you when you drag some woman off the street as though she’s an object Have sex, touch grass, seek help etc etc
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:50:13 No. 677708
>>677703 More lurid schizophrenic fantasies from a European fascist dog
I can’t wait until your shithole of a continent descends into another world war, death and destruction is all you’re fucking good for
>>677702 Your utter hatred of non-whites is easily manipulated by fascist politicians to gain your support
I promise you, you fucking faggot little worm, in 10 years when people are fleeing climate change you will not hesitate to vote for the next Hitler who promises to destroy the migrants and gain living space for the European people
And when you do, when you show your true colors and don’t even hesitate to betray the working class, I truly hope you fucking die
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:13:07 No. 677735
>>677668 >yet reread this thread and really tell me I’m wrong My dude you said yourself that 4chan does not represent america why should /leftypol/ be somehow different for europe?
Don't get mad at people on the internet you only lose time. Just point and laugh and go on with your day.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:14:56 No. 677739
>>677668 You're wrong kill youself
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:05:56 No. 677825
>>677521 You are still a racist.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:14:46 No. 677835
>>677825 Yea obviously racism is when you criticize European fascists and their “totally not fascist” pro-imperialist/pro-genocide “left”
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:12:33 No. 677918
>>677558 >rape is fine as long as it's not racist Is that really your point?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:30:08 No. 677940
>>677926 Cultural DNA obviously
There’s a strain of European culture going as far back as the Crusades arguably promoting this mental dogshite
>>677918 No, obviously what I’m saying is that this is shit you scum invented in your own minds to justify your lust for murder
>Oh wow, a single refugee raped a German woman! <Therefore we must kill them all, every single one of them, the men, the women, even the children; indeed, we are a civilized people Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:33:07 No. 677943
>>677940 >Cultural DNA you mean memes
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:37:14 No. 677950
>>677943 Actually, yes, the literal meaning of memes
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:12:32 No. 678671
>>677940 The Crusades were self defense
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:14:59 No. 678676
>>677708 The Rotherham rape gangs aren't a fantasy
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:27:50 No. 678696
>>677940 >Oh wow, a single refugee raped a German woman! Don't strawman I gave you the argument in full.
Zero language/cultural compatibility
and zero economic skills
and rapes women
=> why are these people in our country?
Throwing people out of your country is not murder. Not sure if you're just exaggerating or you genuinely believe corporate globalist propaganda about refugees dying if we don't have open borders.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:48:13 No. 679114
>>678696 >The majority of immigrants are like this >Throwing them out won’t cause their deaths or immediate immiseration Like pottery
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:48:45 No. 679115
>>678671 This is a cope if I ever saw it
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:50:44 No. 679336
>>678671 >>679329 >Around 400 years later is self-defense The self-defense argument is a complete dead end, because it implies that the Hispania conquests were still fresh in the heads of all of Europe 400 years later (they weren't) and that the rest of Europe cared about the said conquests in the first place (they didn't). Europe wasn't even concerned with the Byzantine Empire until they were given certain guarantees for participating in their defense, and only stayed when they were able to change the terms of their agreement in order to taken previously held land of the said empire to found the first crusader kingdoms.
xRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxRxR Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:34:47 No. 679353
do burgerstanis have any business to tell Euros that they are the fascists when its more likely that burgerstan turns super imperialist and capitalist before
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:47:55 No. 679360
Why wont this thread die.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:52:52 No. 679365
>>679353 No Euroach, no American, in fact not a single New Worlder would ever turn fascist before an European, we're nothing like you, we don't fetichize putting refugees in death camps or shooting immigrants with live ammunition at the border (euroach policians get elected by promising to do such atrocities).
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:54:41 No. 679367
>>677587 The entire ideology behing fortress evropa is a belief Euroaches are a single racial-cultural group, superior to anyone else and who need to be fortified against the "non-white non-western corruption", fuck off
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:55:28 No. 679368
>>679353 Seeing as Europe was the birthplace of fascism and le whites….. yes.
just kidding. as fun as it is to read the infiltrated fascist chat log disclosures of US antifa orgs, they're incomparable to european anarchists and antifas Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:58:20 No. 679373
>>677587 And Europe is a peninsula, NOT a continent, the false narrative that Europe is a continent was made but by yes you've guesses it, Euroaches themselves due to a false sense of greatness and superiority
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:07:08 No. 679383
>>679378 >When they captured a village they would kill a child and force everyone to eat a piece of it. Stopped reading there, cannibalism is an euroach practice, who they project to justify massacres of people they deem subhumans
https://www.stronghold-nation.com/history/ref/the-battle-of-maarra Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:08:49 No. 679387
As for the Ottoman massacres, isn't it funny how the absolute majority of these came to be when the Ottomans have decided to "modernize" by adopting ethno-chauvinistic ideas from France and Germany?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:26:46 No. 679409
>>679378 >>679392 >Literally no sources given for any of the claims on the Moors.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:29:21 No. 679413
>>679381
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:30:19 No. 679416
>>679381 >Twitter and facebook are representative of the real world
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:56:42 No. 679657
>>678676 >Literally shit that dates back to the 90s and thus isn’t actually connected to the refugees other than “Muh shitskins bad” Kill yourself
Real Eco-Socialist Poster 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:01:36 No. 679667
>Fag pretending to be me as always, nigha who should unironically have his head cut off and shipped in a box to his mother >Eurofaggots finally revealing that they think all migrants are criminals and rapists and should absolutely be destroyed, and also “interracial” relationships dilute bloodlines or some such <European leftypolers unironically believe in blood quantums, segregation, and the notion that miscegenation dilutes “purity”
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:05:24 No. 679675
>>679667 >Euro fascism bad >Chinese fascism good Ban this /pol/jak with chinese characteristics already.
Real Eco-Socialist Poster 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:14:32 No. 679687
>>679675 Weren’t you just ranting about how a dirty negro and a beautiful hwite being in a consensual relationship is actually errrrr destroying European purity you polfag scum?
I know how you cowards operate, you proudly post nazi-tier shit then start calling anyone that opposes your disgusting views “/pol/“
Besides, don’t you also openly claim that the only fate befitting of Africans, Arabs, Asians, etc. is to live in chains?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:02:03 No. 679738
>>679736 (me)
darn it, unintended green-text
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:44:27 No. 680226
>>679449 >And no one should "naturally" want to fuck children and animals but some people do
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:24:01 No. 680774
>>679667 I'm not a lefty so I'm more in tune with reality than the other posters here. I know damn well you think white people are broken on a genetic level, but to think about race biologically is inherently anti Marxist so your super ego copes by saying that European people are reactionary due to social causes. But I know what you actually think in your id. You see us a rival species, and that is a perfectly healthy view.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:27:00 No. 680778
>>680774 >that is a perfectly healthy view. Agree with everything except that insane part.
Greenflag poster is insanely racist because he grew up in a very racist society. As a third worlder, his ideas are transparently racist and generally insane and non leftist.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:30:30 No. 680786
>>680774 Haha, no, I think Europeans are assholes as are many American whites, but American whites tend to be nicer and more likable and less xenophobic than Europeans; Americans are also just a more honest people
I don’t think it’s “genetic”, Europeans just use this cope when called out because if it were genetic then their behavior is somehow now justified because they can’t act any other way and cannot change their ways. It’s a cowardly, pathetic, and weak argument; Europeans could be better, but simply choose not to be.
Now, do I think race “biologically” is anti-Marxist? No, I think the concept of race is actually against actual biology. Now head off back to /pol/, buddy boyo
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:32:14 No. 680789
>>679667 Kekekekek which one posts were pretending to be you?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:34:40 No. 680793
>>680789 What I meant to say was, "which posts were pretending to be you?"
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:35:54 No. 680796
>>680786 >concept of race is actually against actual biolo Then you don't know biology. There's a reason Stephen Jay Gould and Richard Lewontin are laughing stocks. And I know damn well you wouldn't want your daughter bringing home a white guy in the future.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:39:29 No. 680802
>>680786 Europeans as a whole? Which color Europeans? All of them?
Black Americans can be horrible people. Entire communities are made up of coping black people and entirely anti-social black people. I really hate it when you infantilize non whites. You realize this is a colonialist mindest?
Anyways, as long as you only paint your fellow black burgers as helpless idiots and don't do it for the rest of the world then I'm ok with it. Try that shit with any other country and I'll find you and cut your fingers so you cant type anymore.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:55:43 No. 680828
>>680796 Oh boy, I wonder if this nigha is about to go grab his favorite /pol/ infographs
>Randomly mentioning Gould and Lewontin They aren’t the reason biologists discount the pre-scientific notion of “race” you polyp chimpanzee
>>680802 Nigha if I had the chance I’d send your penis to your mother in a little box, fucking pol faggor scumfuck
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:58:23 No. 680831
>Undisguised /pol/faggots finally arrive promoting unironic race “science” and threatening torture while pushing white supremacist memes
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:09:01 No. 680851
>>680828 >Nigha if I had the chance I’d send your penis to your mother in a little box, fucking pol faggor scumfuck Black americans are this violent? Damn…
I'll move to Europe before moving to the US then… seems burgers are inherently predisposed to insane levels of cruelty and violence.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:12:15 No. 680855
>>680828 By biologists you mean fringe cranks who are biology equivalent of flat earth people
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:14:10 No. 680860
>>680855 No, by biologists I mean people that actually study genetics and human anatomy instead of polyp fags and some random colonial governors from the 1700s
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:15:13 No. 680861
>>680851 There is absolutely nothing wrong with violence against people who deserve it, like polyps such as yourself
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:16:19 No. 680863
>>680851 To be clear, i was exposing the clownery of green flag.
I dont think europeans are more predisposed to fascism because they're white or whatever, nor do I have a weird hard on for white americans, just as much as I dont believe mexicans are "primed" for drug traffficking.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:17:14 No. 680865
>>680861 You should be careful where you point that violence then, because what you spew on a daily basis has ideologically more in common with polyps than with marxists.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 06:36:56 No. 681303
>>681275
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:18:34 No. 681344
>>681343
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:20:46 No. 681348
>>681343
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:23:33 No. 681352
While the US and all of the New World have our big share of reactionary scum, abhorrent and despicable views such XIX century "scientific" racism, extreme ethnic and cultural chauvinism are topics of outrage in the whole continent, in Europe you get elected by promising to use live ammunition against refugees at the border, or by promising to put brown people in concentration camps, in the New World you're put in a jail by saying such things, and with the support of the absolute majority
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:37:40 No. 681412
>>681391
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:38:14 No. 681414
>>681393 > Biological anthropologist Jonathan M. Marks agrees with Edwards that correlations between geographical areas and genetics obviously exist in human populations but goes on to write: "What is unclear is what this has to do with 'race' as that term has been used through much in the twentieth century—the mere fact that we can find groups to be different and can reliably allot people to them is trivial. Again, the point of the theory of race was to discover large clusters of people that are principally homogeneous within and heterogeneous between, contrasting groups. Lewontin's analysis shows that such groups do not exist in the human species, and Edwards' critique does not contradict that interpretation."[7] The view that while geographic clustering of biological traits does exist, this does not lend biological validity to racial groups, was proposed by several evolutionary anthropologists and geneticists prior to the publication of Edwards' critique of Lewontin.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:43:56 No. 681419
>>681398 One is paywalled and the other isn’t even a scientific article but one from a popular journal. You could try and get more than ONE guy to say no one takes Lewontin and Gould seriously
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1369848615000035 > Lewis et al. (2011) attempted to restore the reputation of Samuel George Morton, a 19th century physician who reported on the skull sizes of different folk-races. Whereas Gould (1978) claimed that Morton's conclusions were invalid because they reflected unconscious bias, Lewis et al. alleged that Morton's findings were, in fact, supported, and Gould's analysis biased. We take strong exception to Lewis et al.’s thesis that Morton was “right.” We maintain that Gould was right to reject Morton's analysis as inappropriate and misleading, but wrong to believe that a more appropriate analysis was available. Lewis et al. fail to recognize that there is, given the dataset available, no appropriate way to answer any of the plausibly interesting questions about the “populations” in question (which in many cases are not populations in any biologically meaningful sense). We challenge the premise shared by both Gould and Lewis et al. that Morton's confused data can be used to draw any meaningful conclusions. This, we argue, reveals the importance of properly focusing on the questions asked, rather than more narrowly on the data gathered. Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:59:43 No. 681436
>>681433 >Can’t argue <Procees to mald about “muh troons”
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:13:30 No. 681456
>>681451 >I posted logical fallacy >Post hairline
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 10:15:04 No. 681508
>>681352 Yea this was basically my point
Remember that in the US, Trump only won because the DNC sank Bernie Sanders and barely anyone voted
Meanwhile a cop killed a single black man and millions of Americans mobilized in quite militant protests
In Europe the more you promise to harm refugees and migrants the more popular you are
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 09:58:04 No. 684942
>>681508 Fuck Eur*ids bro, I unironically wished that their shitty neonazi memes that le ayrabs and blacks will replace them all were true
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 07:11:59 No. 687956
>>681456 >so we have to define race the way it has consistently been defined socially? That’s retarded Because those early definitions were from centuries before we had DNA analysis.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 18:53:00 No. 690031
>>688144 >>688152 Classifications change as the science improves. People used to think mushrooms were plants
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 20:11:21 No. 690073
>>677708 >I can’t wait until your shithole of a continent descends into another world war, death and destruction is all What a fucking incel lmao
Dont break your keyboard
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 23:36:49 No. 690260
>>690031 >Says that classifications change based upon advances in science <Argues race realism with dogs and coyotes In other words, actual scientists no longer discuss race, but ancestry.
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