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 No.645093[View All]

Seriously. What the heck is "free speech," as espoused by those to the right of us? Is it a "freedom to have your opinions conveyed to the public through any means, like social media," or is it just a mere excuse to greenlight far-right and destructive ideologies into society, as well as to silence those perceived as "libs" or "commies?" So much for the "free speech" if the latter, then.
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 No.688791

>>663479

>nazis "kept swinging til the end"

>hitler has left the server

 No.688883

>>688735
>Extreme relative to everywhere else in the society it exists in.
Not really, most metropolitan areas have even more ethnic diversity, with even more groups, not just whites and sikhs.
>And how did you assume I'm living in the third world based only by me saying I'm not considered white?
Well for starters you're a communist so
>I like where I am, so no thanks.
and where would that be
>The "white" part is nothing more then useless culturally informed baggage that has no place in a clinical setting
Hey wait, I just realized this, why are we applying all of this shit to a clinical setting? This is political, not fucking medical. The fact that people have created race, and then proceeded to propagate it for how fuckin long now without eventually phasing it out as it lost true genuine meaning in society, brings into question if we can argue if it's not "realllly valid". If people continue to use it, and refuse to distance themselves from it, it will continue to be valid in social-political terms.
>No, it wouldn't, especially when you have the means to actually study the existant genetic data of certain populations in a clinical setting, in which such inherently socially and culturally informed "breakups" and useless and offer nothing to the study of said population except larger societal confusion on the matter
Again, we keep using it. We clearly struck some sort of chord with a vague, easy understanding of ethnicity.
>So it's not fucking scientific you fag.
Well I've already posted le proofs, but in the end I guess you want it to not be scientific. So let's go with that. Now, ask yourself, can we really make a science out of politics? Fuck no. There's too many variables, any science from it shitthrowing at a wall and seeing what sticks.
>Not the anon who posted it, but you're straight up lying to yourself if that's the worst smug image you've seen cropped on an imageboard.
You do understand I chimp out everytime when I even see pornography full stop on an imageboard? I'm a sperg, not a fuckin coomer.
Either way, casually posting cropped fuckin drawn child porn is still something that gives evidence to the idea that your obsession with pedophiles in england being reported in tabloid sensationalist journalism is nothing but le projection
>I don't see how me not physically going around hanging people makes me a pedophile. I also don't see an issue with "exploring sexuality" if it's the equivalent to the "bird and the bees" talk literally every parent has to give their kid, but with people who aren't straight. If it's something which is actually abhorrent, then I'll take an issue with it when that comes up, but I won't just blanket state that everyone who explains how sex works when a kid hits puberty (which is something every parent does) should be hanged.
Well shit, I don't lurk here, obviously. But have any of you guys shown complete opposition to the - what now seems like a trimonthly event - constant addition of more and more fuckin obscene shit in schools' Sex Ed curricula? At least /pol/ says they hate it, as far as I'm aware you're busy focusing on… fuckin whatever the hell you third worlders do.
>And we already shit talk pedos, that's what the right wing pedo thread is for
See above. Every single one is english, a country with a rather high rate of child sexual abuse, reported in tabloid journalism, where members are in all-too thuggish and open groups.
Get back to me when there's a fuckin NBC documentary on how the KKK would molest eachothers daughters.

 No.689085

>>688883
>Not really, most metropolitan areas have even more ethnic diversity, with even more groups, not just whites and sikhs.
Yes, and? That's not the same as what you stated the situation where you lived was.
>Well for starters you're a communist so
And?
>and where would that be
Does is matter fbi man?
>Hey wait, I just realized this, why are we applying all of this shit to a clinical setting? This is political, not fucking medical.
Because we're discussing genetics. If you're instead trying to state race is purely a political thing as some kind of counter, you're practically just making my argument for me.
>The fact that people have created race, and then proceeded to propagate it for how fuckin long now without eventually phasing it out as it lost true genuine meaning in society, brings into question if we can argue if it's not "realllly valid". If people continue to use it, and refuse to distance themselves from it, it will continue to be valid in social-political terms.
"Race" is a relatively modern thing, and the use of it and the "validity" of it can absolutely be questioned. Its not "valid" scientifically regardless if some people use it as a categorization, and it not being valid scientifically should lead us to question the social-political use of it. It is precisely it's use in such that permits us to argue if it's not "realllly valid", unless you're going to try and make the absurd argument that social contructs are immutable and unchangeable.
>Again, we keep using it. We clearly struck some sort of chord with a vague, easy understanding of ethnicity.
The use of it has been something that historically shifted in every direction you can imagine, and it's arbitrary nature should be a sign that we can do better. Its not some kind of eternal concept, and it isn't an argument to state "well, people use it, so it's fine!". Then you're just arguing that society should base itself fully on "feels>reals" and that belief is enough to make a thing "valid". It makes your own argument go from "Race is scientifically valid, and we should utilize it to dictate policy" to "Race is only valid as long people believe it's valid, and when they don't believe it is, then it's no longer valid", which is some "I'm 13 and this is deep" garbage.
>Well I've already posted le proofs, but in the end I guess you want it to not be scientific. So let's go with that. Now, ask yourself, can we really make a science out of politics? Fuck no. There's too many variables, any science from it shitthrowing at a wall and seeing what sticks.
I never wanted the discussion to not be scientific, that was you when you immediately deviated from such after I referenced the sources you posted that you didn't even read, and then provided sources which countered the few that allegedly supported your argument. And while politics may not itself be a science, you can have politics which tries to have a foundation in science and utilizes it to argue if a certain policy matches up to held principles.
>You do understand I chimp out everytime when I even see pornography full stop on an imageboard? I'm a sperg, not a fuckin coomer.
How do you even survive on any imageboard without being the equivalent of a hysterical twitterite?
>Either way, casually posting cropped fuckin drawn child porn is still something that gives evidence to the idea that your obsession with pedophiles in england being reported in tabloid sensationalist journalism is nothing but le projection
I didn't even post it, and how is that even equivalent in any respect? You're literally arguing that a cropped image of a drawn japanese picture, which could have been sourced from literally anywhere, is equivalent to actual documented cases of pedophilia. And it's not even simple tabloid sensationalist journalism, these are actual cases you can find the records for.
>Well shit, I don't lurk here, obviously. But have any of you guys shown complete opposition to the - what now seems like a trimonthly event - constant addition of more and more fuckin obscene shit in schools' Sex Ed curricula?
It's not a constant topic we obsess about like some kind of culture war addicted reddit fag. There's always some clickbait nonsense, and we're not going to bother to sift the garbage from the tiniest half truth regarding somewhere inconsiquential.
>At least /pol/ says they hate it, as far as I'm aware you're busy focusing on… fuckin whatever the hell you third worlders do.
Again, I have no idea how you assumed that based on me not being considered white. Also, we're too busy focusing on other that isn't a sensationalist culture war clickbait wormhole.
>See above. Every single one is english, a country with a rather high rate of child sexual abuse, reported in tabloid journalism, where members are in all-too thuggish and open groups
All three of the major ones mentioned weren't, unless suddenly there exist branches of the American Nazi party and the KKK in the UK. Also, as stated before, how does the others being in the UK change anything? High rate or low rate, that doesn't change how the overwhelming amount of politically affiliated pedophiles are right wing.
>Get back to me when there's a fuckin NBC documentary on how the KKK would molest eachothers daughters
How would the non existence of an NBC documentary regarding pedophiles in the KKK somehow invalidate the existence of such? That's not how it works. There exists an actual high profile case that was referred to in this thread, court case and all, so the MSM failure to make a documentary doesn't suddenly nullify it's existence.

 No.689288

>>663479
It’s cute when you forget your allies

 No.689995

>>689963
>lmao rashid is a drug dealer, that's not a free speech issue
*steals shit from capitol*
*gets arrested*
<NOOOOOOOOOOO WE ARE SO OPRESSED WHAT ABOUT FROZEN PEACHES THIS IS LITERALLY 1984 ANIMAL FARMERINO NOOOO!!!!1
retard, lol

 No.692038

>>689085
not gonna entertain your tactical nihilism because get fucked nerd, but
>Also, as stated before, how does the others being in the UK change anything? High rate or low rate, that doesn't change how the overwhelming amount of politically affiliated pedophiles are right wing.
Not even gonna explain in detail, higher rate + sensationalist journalism + cultural hate for far-right = over-representation of pedos being far-right in the news
>How would the non existence of an NBC documentary regarding pedophiles in the KKK somehow invalidate the existence of such?
If you're not retarded, you should be able to piece together that 1. the KKK is a group who has a perfect storm of conditions for being pedophiles, considering their relative secrecy and location within rural areas with little law enforcement, and 2. assuming that your theory that pedos are more likely to be far-right, than at this point we should hear about pedos in a large far-right organization in a country with a lower rate of pedos who have the perfect set of conditions to be pedos. But they're not. The lack of reporting in a nation that isn't Britain or is third-world provides a dose of serious fallibility to your statement.

 No.692112

>>692038
What is this cope? Forget being an appeal to ignorance, this is all based on a few really big “ifs”. Namely how relevant the KKK is in the United States.

 No.692973

>>692112
Again, the fact that this pattern of "right wing pedos" isn't seen in
>1. a nation which has a lower rate of child sexual abuse than england, a place where "nonce" is just seen as general slang in the same place as "faggot"
>2. another far-right group but has the key factor of being much less open to new members, ensuring that the only people within the group are those who the key heads who know the group's morals generally approve of
shows that the shitfarting about right wing pedos is fake and gay

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>>692973
No. Pedophilia and particularly actual child abuse is a distinctly right wing phenomena and fits in well into the dark-tetrad/might is right orientation of right wing politics. There is no greater power differentation than that between adult and child.

 No.693090

>>692973
This does not refute the claim it’s responding to, you’re again speculating on a perceived absence as being proof of a phenomenon

 No.693296

>>693061
The fucking chart doesn't even show pedophilia to be "far-right" why the fuck did you attach it to your post?
And also, vore and sadism is on the political left. Does that imply leftists are sadistic cannibals? Probably not. The chart means fucking nothing.
>shit theory
See it would remotely be applicable if you didn't have this sex-crazed worldview. Everything about you lefty poofs needs to be about sex, I swear to God. I've noticed that the further right you go, the more almost schizoid-tier celibate people within it get.
>>693090
>This does not refute the claim it’s responding to
Says who fuckwit? Says fucking who? His first claim is through the evidence of primarily English tabloid articles on extremely open far-right groups that can be described better as "hooligan" than "political", which I've shown to be fallible through some very basic critical thinking. Then he's trying to use theory, which you can see my response to above.
Another question I have, what is with lefties and immediately going "NOOO THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING" the instant you state something? The argument eventually turns into trying to prove your statement has a valid point instead of the valid point's implications. Fuck.

 No.693309

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>>650046
MIAbros…

 No.693321

>>693309
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1842/free-press/index.htm

Here's a mirror without the censorship. The copyright strike on the Marx Engels collected works was ridiculous. The copyright owner didn't even do the work themselves, most of it was translated by Soviet academics and given to the old CPGB to raise funds.

 No.693371

>>693296
So you can’t prove the validity of the point?

 No.693388

>>693321
cool, didn't know this existed. does it have gramscii's stuff too?

 No.693390

>>693388
Unfortunately no. There are some other MIA mirrors out there that might still have it though. I think one of them was on a site called "catbull".

 No.693393

>>693296
>The fucking chart doesn't even show pedophilia to be "far-right"
Yes it does.
>lefty poofs
pedos are overwhelmingly heterosexual males
>I've noticed that the further right you go, the more almost schizoid-tier celibate people within it get.
Yeah and they are also pedo rapist sex fiends.

Also take a gander at the esoteric hitlerism pedophilia thread.

 No.693491

>>693393
>Yes it does.
It shows that pedophilia has a bias towards economic-right, and a bit towards authoritarianism in men. Let me give you a list of the fetishes you believe are more far-right than being a pedophile (in men cause I'm lazy):
>24/7 Power Dynamics
>Scat
>Lactation
>Rapeplay
>Bestiality
>Sounding
>Raceplay
So what the fuck are you on?
>pedos are overwhelmingly heterosexual males
Firstly, I just said "poof". Not nonce, poof. I'm calling you an effeminate homosexual using Northern English slang, not a pedophile. And in response? You immediately go "DEBOONK'D".
You may call it "proactive". I call it a big fat Freudian slip. Nobody mentioned the sexuality of pedophiles, you're just trying to cover you and your buttbuddies' arses.

 No.693511

>>693491
political compass brainrot leaking from reddit

 No.693527

>>692038
>not gonna entertain your tactical nihilism because get fucked nerd, but
What "tactical nihilism"?
>Not even gonna explain in detail, higher rate + sensationalist journalism + cultural hate for far-right = over-representation of pedos being far-right in the news
And this is an argument you would never accept if made by the left. If I stated in response to your accusations regarding the left that it was just sensationalist journalism and was due to cultural hate for communism, you'd throw it right out and yell cope all thread. Again though, mentioning there are more pedos in the UK or that there is sensationalist media doesn't change the argument in regards to a large amount of politically affiliated pedos being far-right, because there should then be some amount of "left wing" pedis to match it. There are not.
>If you're not retarded, you should be able to piece together that 1. the KKK is a group who has a perfect storm of conditions for being pedophiles, considering their relative secrecy and location within rural areas with little law enforcement, and 2. assuming that your theory that pedos are more likely to be far-right, than at this point we should hear about pedos in a large far-right organization in a country with a lower rate of pedos who have the perfect set of conditions to be pedos. But they're not. The lack of reporting in a nation that isn't Britain or is third-world provides a dose of serious fallibility to your statement.
Accept there literally is, August Kreis. The media not reporting on him as much doesn't make his case existent or non existent, it just means they are failing to report on it. There is some major cognitive dissonance for your argument here, can't you see you're applying completely different standards when you're dealing with the left and right? When it's the left, reporting on it is just a matter of truth, while not reporting is covering for it. But when it's the right, reporting on it is sensationalist fabricated media, while not reporting is not covering for it, but rather something which is truthfully indicative of it never having happened.

 No.693530

>>693491
>Nobody mentioned the sexuality of pedophiles, you're just trying to cover you and your buttbuddies' arses.
You quite literally mentioned a perceived association with gays and pedophilia earlier, you can't blame an anon for thinking you are going off on that again.
>Freudian slip
Reddit cope

 No.693533

>>693296
>I've noticed that the further right you go, the more almost schizoid-tier celibate people within it get.
And I noticed the exact opposite, because I actually used 8chan and was immersed in the far right where they grouped up elsewhere.
>His first claim is through the evidence of primarily English tabloid articles on extremely open far-right groups that can be described better as "hooligan" than "political", which I've shown to be fallible through some very basic critical thinking. Then he's trying to use theory, which you can see my response to above.
You can literally find the cases you fag. The news articles don't suddenly invalidate the actual existing court documents you retard.
>Another question I have, what is with lefties and immediately going "NOOO THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING" the instant you state something? The argument eventually turns into trying to prove your statement has a valid point instead of the valid point's implications. Fuck
We don't do that unless it's warrented, and practically every post you've made has warranted the statement that you are not making any kind of valid argument. And you do have to show how your statement has a valid point to it, it doesn't automatically have one unless you can show it does, and people can question such.

 No.694393

>>693511
>uses political compass
>butthurt when someone uses same thing to btfo
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>693527
>And this is an argument you would never accept if made by the left.
And this is relevant why?
>But when it's the right, reporting on it is sensationalist fabricated media, while not reporting is not covering for it, but rather something which is truthfully indicative of it never having happened.
Again, I'm saying that the exclusivity of your examples being given finding themselves in England subjects them to fallibility due to England's culture, political ethos, and higher rate of pedophilia. If I start seeing it happen literally anywhere else in a first-world nation where saying "pedophile" is enough to get an enemy gang member butchered without needing to raise a finger, then I'll reconsider. Not repeating this anymore.
>>693530
>You quite literally mentioned a perceived association with gays and pedophilia earlier, you can't blame an anon for thinking you are going off on that again.
Was it this thread or another thread? All of you guys blend together in my head.
>And I noticed the exact opposite, because I actually used 8chan and was immersed in the far right where they grouped up elsewhere.
As did I, and I was a youngfag back then who was just about to lose his virginity. I'd be way more sensitive to noticing sexuality.
>You can literally find the cases you fag. The news articles don't suddenly invalidate the actual existing court documents you retard.
See above, other factors than sensationalist media such as openness and objective of groups and higher rates of pedos.
>We don't do that unless it's warrented
doubt

 No.694419

>>694393
>And this is relevant why?
NTA but:
Because if you want to debate, you're supposed to judge and analyze the differents sides with equal standards.
If X means Y, then it means Y regardless of the team it apply to. You cannot just decide X means Y in A case and Z in B case. Or that would be jsut arguing in bad faith.

 No.694478

>>694419
I haven't brought up any pedophiles on the left, mostly because I don't bother listing them off, categorizing them, taking note, etc. because I just have the natural instinct of "lefty = nonce". That in it of itself should be your focus, the fact that I'm unable to support that it's an equal problem on the left as the right. With that, I would respond that they likely aren't associated with left-wing groups because of bias, and we can't prove that but I genuinely believe it with all my heart, etc. etc. etc.
But you're trying to say my point is invalid because apparently, even though you have no evidence to prove it, I don't treat the situation equally. I would say I do, far more than anyone on my side. Whenever I hear about "___ the lefty is a nonce", I won't be surprised if they are but I still hold skepticism in the desperate hope they aren't a pedophile, because I don't want people to be pedophiles.

 No.694485

>>694478
>because I just have the natural instinct of "lefty = nonce". That in it of itself should be your focus

Why should we care about your schizo nonce-sense, you probably think lefties eat babies too.

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>>694485
Yes, I do think you eat babies. How could you tell?

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>>694478
>The real reason right-wingers are obsessed with pedophillia

 No.705144

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>>645093
>What the heck is "free speech," as espoused by those to the right of us?
It is the abstract concept that in order to ensure functional discourse all discourse must be allowed in order to determine the best course of action the group i.e. society ought to embark on.
Its also a principle of every society that has left serfdom behind. Genuinely not sure if you also need principles and abstract concepts defined because you appear to be a full blown autist.

 No.705157

what commies are silenced today?
fuck off

 No.705180

>>705157
Read thread faggot

 No.705183

>>705180
>read thread
>399 replies
get a life moron

 No.705185

>>705183
What is this cope?

 No.705192

>>705185
the preservation of my time
i can waste it on something better

 No.705196

>>705192
That's false and you know it.

 No.705197

>>705157
Had every social media account banned at least once including google for commieposting, and my friends and family got an "extremism warning" on Facebook because I organize in local groups, suck my dick and choke on it faggot LMAO
But my bad, I forgot retards can't say jewish nigger online anymore, which is the real 1984 totalitarian censorship :(

 No.705203

>>705197
yes it is
kys

 No.705206

>>705203
so true

 No.705207

>>645298
Best post ITT.

 No.705208

>>705192
Who are you kidding, anon?

 No.709352

>>705180
>>705185
>>705196
Please, give a quick, condensed list of the groups that meet the following criteria:
>1. Can be considered far-left. Either economically far-leftist, as in against the ownership of private property for economic purposes.
>2. Was oppressed from existing in some sort of way. Group affiliation is at least treated as a crime, peaceful demonstrations organized by and/or have large amount of group associates partaking within have been actively stopped, etc.
>3. This happened after McCarthy was a thing. Bonus points after 1991.

 No.709405

>>645264
>The problem with free speech is that capitalists still control the narrative.
So, it's not free speech but the one with the biggest voice/Capitol or, dare I say, Capitalism as it stands. The nice thing about the Amendments is that, in theory, you can change the economics and the print would virtually stay the same

 No.709786

>>709352
Again, read thread. The world is also not burgerland.

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 No.709830

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>>709786
>i refuse to provide evidence because i want to waste peoples time instead of benefiting literally everyone, from myself, my compatriots in ideology, and my political enemies, because I'm a lazy fart and also I'm a vindictive bastard who doesn't want a single good thing for anyone who disagrees with me (i have deluded myself into thinking they're all irrational loons)

 No.709833

>>709830
Sounds like a lot of coping for someone unwilling or unable to skim a thread that will take 5 minutes tops

 No.709844

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>>709833
jesus christ you people are insufferable

 No.709859

>>709844
>I can’t read
The evidence is literally ITT, you might have to scroll a bit, but not look for it. What’s the issue here?

 No.709869

>>709830
Posts were quoted after, and I literally spent the vast majority of this thread arguing multiple points from communist repression to race to unfounded accusations regarding abuse. Don't try and accuse me of being lazy when I've used what little free time I have to argue in what is now a 400+ thread about three (or really four) different topics, all while you're the one barging in here after all the discussion was said and done, all just to state your refusal to read any of it and instead request to be spoonfed. That shits what's fucking lazy.

 No.710014

>>645093
Free speech is a complaint by the right that no one agrees with them.
It is not a privilege/right they extend/seek to extend to others.
Which is why they shall never stop complaining, even in victory.
There shall always be others that don't agree 'enough' till the last fash dies alone in a universal graveyard.

“Never believe that rightoids are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The rightoids have the 'right to play'. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
-Jean-Paul Sartre

Think Vorbis from Small Gods.
https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Small_Gods


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