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 No.645093[Last 50 Posts]

Seriously. What the heck is "free speech," as espoused by those to the right of us? Is it a "freedom to have your opinions conveyed to the public through any means, like social media," or is it just a mere excuse to greenlight far-right and destructive ideologies into society, as well as to silence those perceived as "libs" or "commies?" So much for the "free speech" if the latter, then.

 No.645099

>>645093
It's pacifism applied to social media. All is well as long as the copsjannies are on your side.

 No.645105

>>645093
Neutrality towards speech in the public space, which includes social media.
They don't have a "ban commies and libs" view, so it's not the latter. But basically, that spoken words should not be silenced. Just freedom to say whatever.

 No.645118

Free speech is when the state protects your ability to communicate without restriction.
Free speech is a tool used to constrict the possibility for political action and freedom of thought. In lieu of state censorship, citizens are encouraged to be self-censors and whatever active role of censor remains is delegated to firms. Furthermore, there is no better means of controlling thought than to convince someone that their thoughts are their own, when in fact the horizon of their thinking is stunted by the politics of their language.

 No.645153

Instead of doing that /leftypol/ thing where "good things are actually bad things,bro", maybe we could recognize the tremendous power of on-paper freedoms that are de facto limited by informal inbalances in power.

People prefer liberal democracies with formal freedoms of speech and association, even if these are extremely limited in practice, to more directly "unfree" systems - even if those latter systems produce better outcomes. Likewise one of capitalism's greatest strengths is the perception of a "free" labor market, where it appears that you can work anywhere you want, while the implicit demand to work or starve is mystified and hidden.

Perhaps the Marxist-Leninists of the future could learn from this and drop their antiquated 1920s-era perceptions of centralism. Instead they could endorse a system of formal political and economic freedoms, that appears to be just as open and accommodating as liberal capitalism, while in reality it is controlled and guided by the party-state towards the covert suppression of reaction and revisionism.

 No.645172

>>645153
I'm already a committed free speech absolutist, anon.
I like to know what my enemies are talking about.

 No.645264

>>645093
The problem with free speech is that capitalists still control the narrative.

if you want a materialist interpretation of free speech that is true to it's original intention, you might get something like neutral communication systems, equal distribution of information power, and so on.

You can't say that you have free speech if big corporations can hire click or bot farms to drown out your voice, or control the algorithms that decide what people can find and see online.

I think that when we establish a socialist society that we should grant pro capitalist voices the ability to have their say. They just don't get to rig the system in their favor. Capitalists will loose fair debates against socialists every time. As long as there are people who do advocate for class society a socialist society has to engage in active ideological struggle or else it will ideologically stagnate.

There are other aspects to consider like the old saying: the medium is the message.
Free speech was intended to have "competition of ideas", that is a very idealist framing, but a materialist view on this would be to consider it a contest to describe reality to other people, that is 1. an accurate reflection of reality and 2. comprehensible by the general public. But there also is a reactionary interpretation of free speech that sees it as a contest to trick people with bullshit. This is a design question about the medium, does your medium tendencialy elevate scams that work with emotional manipulation, or does your medium elevate content that engages your higher cognitive reasoning faculties.

Some people consider censoring "disinformation", but then they would have to censor literally all of mainstream media.
Many social media platforms have rules that prohibit advocacy for violence, but they allow all the war-mongeres to advocate for war, despite that being extremely violent.
Beware of hypocrisy of this type.

Socialist countries that have a very low level of development might need to implement censorship as a form of developmental protectionism to build up enough media power to compete with media power of capitalists. I think that shouldn't be considered the same as censorship that is intended to silence political opinions. The strategy ought to be first under protection build up parity media power and later removing the protections to engage in media struggle. Socialist media has to become the voice of the general Intellect of society as a hole, and for class less society to become stable the general intellect has to learn how it can defeat the voice of rulers.

 No.645298

>>645153
Having been in some positions of power over speech, both in calm places and in places with enemies (similarly to /leftypol/ with asymmetric invasion from /pol/), I can sympathize with the balance of freedom of speech and integrity.

In communities where there aren't obsessed internet autists and small political oppositions actively attempting to sabotage, there is a lot more opportunity for freedoms. I effectively don't even moderate there unless there's literal web spam. But when there's a site where those oppositions are there and begin exploiting those freedoms and they asymmetric advantages, allowing those freedoms is a significant risk to security or at least quality. Imagine if /pol/tards weren't banned for spamming shock images as they so often do, or flooded the catalog with le tromp biden troony black jew garbage constantly, or if liblefts kept talking about bernie and AOC being the future and spamming idpol and tumblr crap all day? Community values will often also restrict speech.

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>What the heck is "free speech," as espoused by those to the right of us?

"Right" isn't a real thing.
Anarcho-righoids often see free speech as idealistic free speech. As in, they actually hold that value legitimately.
Nazis see free speech as letting them say what they can't say effectively in the current system.

As for the mainstream US 'right': consider their recent social media platforms advertised as "free speech". I guarantee you could get banned three times in two hours with ease, simply for expressing ideas.
It's literally "I want to be able to say what I want".

 No.645431

>>645105
>They don't have a "ban commies and libs" view
right

 No.645481

>>645093
A myth not grounded in material reality

 No.645502

the what speech?

 No.645512

>>645105
How new to politics are you?

 No.645517

1. It's an object of ideology to distract burgers from struggling for rights that actually matter, such as control over production.
2. A smokescreen for propaganda (just speech), and bribery (just speech).

 No.645527

>>645512
They literally don't care. You can go to /pol/ rn and half the threads are bait. They even LARP and bait themselves for the lolz if we're not doing it.

 No.645539

Free speech has nothing to do with what you could say in private, it's more to do with what you can say in public life. So basically if you have a certain opinion about the government.

 No.645541

>>645527
If you post an actual pro commie topic (not 'hur dur muh black supremacy') you will get banned, go try it if you dont believe me

 No.645565

>>645093
Dunno, ask julian assagne and edward snowden

 No.645657

>>645541
There is a regular /Pol/ Communism General thread posted there almost every day.

 No.645658

>>645657
prove it

 No.645690

>>645657
>>645658
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/352012665/pol-communism-general
Why is /pol/ so retarded
This is worse than any type of censorship.

 No.645692

>as espoused by those to the right of us
the right to say uyghur in any and all contexts.

 No.645693

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>>645690
>Well, I wouldn't call myself a fascist, but at least fascists have an end justifying the means, namely propping up a strong state to create a strong nation.
>Meanwhile communists have nothing. The end goal of communism as described by Karl Marx is little different from Tribalism, a society of glass ready to shatter the moment even one city or town grows discontent and notices the rocks on the ground.
>At the end of the day, fascists in Italy were a clusterfuck, so accepting a package deal whether it's wrapped on hammers and sickles, star spangled banners of swastikas shouldn't matter, it's always a bad idea.

 No.645716

>>645690
The extremely broken german makes it

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 No.645768

Is child porn free speech?
I saw an argument on /pol/ about it once

 No.645793

>>645105
>They don't have a "ban commies and libs" view, so it's not the latter. But basically, that spoken words should not be silenced. Just freedom to say whatever.
They do have a "ban commies and libs" view, and you'd have to be retarded to think otherwise. What, do you think that if the ever actually got power, they would tolerate communists going around the streets, trying to inform and teach them about communism? Fuck no, and they would be retarded to allow such if they were consistent regarding their convictions and principles. "Freedom of Speech" is one of the grandest political myths in existence. It has never once existed, and yet everyone is convinced that not only it has, but that it continues to exist currently.
>>645527
>>645657
>Has never witnessed threads being removed or auto archived
>Has never seen the bans after
Like that anon said, how new are you?

 No.648530

>>645105
>They don't have a "ban commies and libs" view
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

 No.648544


 No.648623

>>645768
I believe similar laws (an image isn't speech) have been used in the US to justify lolicon. I have no source.

 No.648629

>>645797
Nothing in that article is to do with terrorism you fucking brainlet.
>>648521
>lol, people here can't even give an example of communists being censored
Not a communist but place got raided by terrorism squad for anti-olympic propagandizing.

 No.648886


 No.648928

>>648776
>What were the blueleaks

 No.648934

>>648782
Planning to defend the capital by forming a militia when the DoD refused to send the tanks in like they did in Detroit 1967 for far less.

 No.648937

>>648782
>What do you think that falls under?
Not terrorism.

 No.649880

>>649873
Tf did you smoke? They arrested 200 people

 No.649894

>>649884
How many of them broke stuff or beat people?

Furthermore, the Capitol was open to public during Kavanaugh hearings, not during the great January chimpout. And yet more people were arrested for screeching at Kavanaugh than for participating at a parody of a coup.

 No.649901

Free speech is when the state protects rightoids' ability to say the n-word.

 No.649921

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 No.649928

>>649904
>Quite a few of them
Who did break what ot beat who?
Who stole what?

 No.649948

All I know is I can say whatever the hell I like while rightoids are seething and reduced to ‘alt tech’ as they’re purged from real platforms.

 No.650018

>>649948
>blinding supporting corporate big tech "platforms" for banning retarded rightoids when historically such justification has been used to also censor left-wingers as well and more intensely.

Really?

 No.650041

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is it reasonable to censor news about terror attacks ?
the point of terrorism is to make people afraid, so if news about terror attacks is suppressed it might make terrorism ineffective.
Will that work ? will their be unintended consequences i'm neglecting to consider ?

 No.650046


 No.650204

I want the reactionaries to feel very comfortable advertising what they are so I can take notes for later and so dumbfuck liberals stop underestimating them.

 No.650207

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>>645093
>Seriously. What the heck is "free speech," as espoused by those to the right of us?
t. picrel…A guy ironically to the right of us.

 No.650222

>>650201
Moving goalpost aside, i'm pretty sure using the "I shouldn't be put in jail for looting because free speech" defense do not work in US courts.

 No.650236

>>645105
Talking about rent striking and beating landlords can have you banned in most places. Wikipedia outright bans you if you edit out anti-communist unreliable sources. Fuck off with the straw man.

 No.650243

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>>650232
Stop deflecting
Answer my question:
Who did the libs at Kavanaugh's hearing did wound, what property was damaged, what did they stole?
Did you find anything about it?
Compare that to you spontaneously refering to pic rel when i mention stealing.
Regardless of what the Kavanaugh and Biden election protestors stands for, do you agree that the US law consider theft and vandalism as crimes?
Do the right to free speech prevent prosecution for anything as long as you protest something in the meantime?
If it does, wouldn't stopping the BLM rioters from looting be an infrigment on the first amendment?
If it does not, isn't it logical that the Trumptards who broke, stole stuff and commited assault get jailed by a judiciar system who punish thoses things?

 No.650247

Freedom of speech is important on a constitutional level and any society worth its salt should insure it.

 No.650339


 No.650345

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>>650339
If you say so, officer.

 No.650348

>>650345
>cope

 No.650825

>>650810
>>650824
>Commies have free speech
<Get suicided or disrupted by feds when you actually try to do shit like a boss

 No.651068

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>>650824
>lol, commies have free speech either way. There are no right-wingers in any institution to enforce any anti-free speech laws against communists, the constitutionality of it is mute

 No.651080

>>650824
>There are no right-wingers in any institution
yeah, let's pretend there arent people like Koch bros, lol

>There are no right-wingers in any institution to enforce any anti-free speech laws

that's because right wingers are retarded children. every radlib with pronouns in bio has better conception of politics than average /pol/ cripple. (and also better understanding of conspiracy, lol. the only reason why are Jan 6 Capitol retards getting arrested is because they themselves literally gave the proofs to the cops, lmao. fucking losers)

 No.651088

>>650824
Seethe

 No.651111

>>650824
>There are no right-wingers in any institution to enforce any anti-free speech laws against communists
cry harder /pol/faggot

 No.651131

>>645502
Anarkiddie btfo

 No.651747

>>649879
Speech is speech, retard. That's what you people are always saying so either support free speech or don't. Don't see you trying to ban actual blood libel.

And you didn't even address the Florida thing where professors are asked their ideology, the threats towards school boards or the book bans. The article I linked has all the books covered, tons of them are not "CRT" even by the vague, incorrect definition you guys use.

There's also this
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/newt-gingrich-house-un-american-activities-committee/index.html

 No.651943

"freedom of speech" doesn't mean "free of consequences"

 No.651977

"Free speech" is a brazen lie, and has NEVER existed.
The only speech allowed within a space is speech which does not threaten those in power, no matter where you are.

 No.651984

Freedom isn't free

 No.651986

>>651984
mods should censor americans

 No.652728

>>652161
>Don't see you trying to ban actual blood libel.
> the threats towards school boards or the book bans. The article I linked has all the books covered, tons of them are not "CRT" even by the vague, incorrect definition you guys use.

 No.652735

>>651679
>>651682
cope, faggot

 No.652737

>What the heck is "free speech," as espoused by those to the right of us?
One thing's for sure: they deeply misunderstand the concept . It is not an inviolable right to say whatever you want under any circumstances without any repercussions whatsoever. It applies ONLY to the government in that it cannot repress citizen's right to express their opinions. It applies to the expression of opinion, not to threats or harassments. And it does not extend to private entities which can choose to disallow certain speech which they do not welcome in their communities or platforms.

 No.653445

>>651679
>just some libertarians
>some irrelevant articles
yeah, totally. let's pretend they never funded shit like PragerU, lmao

keep coping, faggot

 No.653548

>>651986
I concur

 No.653551

>>653542
Isn't one of the Pauls literally fighting a ufc fighter soon?
I'm not sure how much more influential you can get in America than breaking into pro sports.

 No.653911

>>653542
>noooooo poorly made youtube channel
yeah, keep coping cunt

Cato was also funded by FedEx, Google, CME Group and Whole Foods.

but yeah, they are completely irrelevant.

people like Václav Klaus and Valdimir Bukovsky worked for them but yeah completely irrelevant. keep coping faggot.

 No.653913

>>651682
name a single right wing cripple who is in prison as long as Kevin Rashid Johnson. then we can talk, lmao

 No.653977

>>653973
how do you pronounce lmao IRL?

 No.653985

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>>650236
How is any of that relevant?
We're talking about freedom of speech, not whatever shitholes or shit sites you think adhere to freedom of speech.
If freedom of speech was implemented anywhere the way it should be, you'd know. If we use the freedom of press as a proxy, then literally Costa Rica has a better score than the US.

 No.654020

>>651943
It quite literally does.

 No.654033

>>645093
If ur willing to admit you might be wrong or have been wrong in the past then person should oppose free speech

 No.654039

>>653983
he literally isn't, /pol/ pedophile :)

 No.654043

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>>654041
>compelling evidence

 No.654044

>>653978
>nooooooo conservative billionaires are not real because Jeb lost nooooo

 No.654070

>>654003
>You think an index is more important than what rules the largest social media website have
>implying those companies even believe in free speech
If they were neutral to all speech, they would not ban someone off their platform. Again, you're confusing the concept of free speech with whatever the fuck is happening today.

 No.654083

>>654003
>>653978
When are you going to address this?
>Don't see you trying to ban actual blood libel.
> the threats towards school boards or the book bans. The article I linked has all the books covered, tons of them are not "CRT" even by the vague, incorrect definition you guys use.

 No.654377

>>654020

no it doesn't
it means you can talk, but you're not entitled to protection from the backlash you could get in response
that would get in the way of other people's freedoms

 No.654389

>>654358
no proofs

cope+seethe+you will never be a real man :)

 No.654425


 No.654438

>>654358
>Lol, there thousands of black murderes in jail, they all say they are innocent.
Rashid isn't a murderer, lol

you see, left wing activists usually are in prison for doing actual shit, unlike trumptards who get arrested for being fucking morons and not following basic rules for political actions, lol (because they are all manchildren)

 No.654551

>>654496
>noooooooooooooo they commited crimerinos!!!1
giga cope. go cry about magatard getting arrested for running around in Capitol with a gun and destroying the candy desk, lol

>>654511

>I haven't read the article so you are wrong
ok, retard

they literally named specific examples of anti-left censorship. but why should I expect /pol/cripple to be literate. :)

 No.654589

>>654577
>You mean the anti-zionist stuff? That's not anti-left, they censor the right on that issue too.
>the right
>anti zionist
yeah, that's why you always support the most pro israeli candidates, lmao

also
<Last month, Facebook deleted the official page of the left-wing counter-protest to this month’s fascist “Unite the Right 2” demonstration in Washington, which was endorsed by prominent left-wing political activists, including whistleblower Chelsea Manning.

lmfao, learn to read :)

>writing sentences like this, it's a bit rich calling others hysterical

you mean like trumptards protesting over their favorite corporate pedohpile losing elections and then three of them dying from heart attacks?

 No.654626

>>654623
Eh lad burger commies are generally a joke but even they're smart enough to know that the neolibs just support a different favourite corporate child sniffer

 No.654665

>>654622
>Censorship of left happens
>A-Actually it's about the right

 No.654670

>unite the right
i want a Saw parody where there's no mechanical devices, they just put a group of passionate 'leftists' in the same room. Some progressive libs, MLs, trots, leftcoms, and smashies. See what happens after a few hours.

 No.654683

>>654670
Twenty people in the beginning, thirty factions by the end of the movie.

 No.654703

>>654702
>People weren’t arrested after the fact during nightgang shit
>Class Politics aren’t subverted through wrecking and infiltrators
Brainlet

 No.654731

>>654670
This is a stupid meme, the right is even more sectarian and right wing groups fall into internal conflict over much stupider more trivial shit

 No.654737

>>654703
well yeah, you are replying to a rightoid

 No.655177

>>654622
>n-no, it doesn't matter we support Israel, because Demkcrats do that as well
<keeps supporting Zion Don

>Unite the right 2 didn't happen, so they weren't censored!!!!

lmfao, /pol/ isn't sending their best today. you guys are seriously retarded for people obsessed with autism score.

 No.655414

>>655380
>You're seething a bit hard
indeed, you are seething very hard mate. better buy some lubricant on your butthurt anus

>By the way, you do know the far left used to hyper zionist in the 50s and 60s

lmao ok, pics related

another proof you are illiterate retard

 No.655538

>>655489
>There are other places besides the USSR
Name one communist state.
>the USSR used to issue the death penalty for anti-semitism
Anti-Semitism in the USSR had a very different context to the west or the modern day. In the USSR, anti-semitism meant literal pogroms and hanging, because that was what the term "anti-Semitism" in Russia and much of Eastern Europe entailed. It didn't mean every less then apt comment about Jews made by some rando resulted in a firing squad. Also, no law specific to anti-semitic remarks existed on the books, at least to my knowledge. Stalin's comments are about anti-semitic action, and that largely falls under the already existing laws for murder and ethnically motivated crimes.

 No.655710

>>655489
>being against anti-semitism makes you a zionist
get a load of this retard

 No.655748

>>655704
Prove it

 No.655830

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>>655704
>This is an outright lie, they executed people of social stature for thought crime
i rate 10/10 Memorial foundations

 No.655834

>>655489
>There are other places besides the USSR
that second pic is literally Czechoslovakia

 No.655864

>>655704

 No.655888

>>655830
Спасибо, что так шикарный мем нам подал, товарищ наш.

 No.655894

>>654425
>muh social media

 No.655898

>>655894
>Complain lefties don’t get censored on media; proven wrong
<Switches goalposts
Like pottery

 No.655921

>>655704
>Why would that matter as to what various socialist and communist thought at some point in time?
You made your assertion regarding leftist states and Zionism. Now prove it.
>This is an outright lie, they executed people of social stature for thought crime
Provide one case of them executing a person for making an anti-semitic remark, because that is what your argument was founded on. I can literally link the scheduled execution for a anti-conmunist Rabbi, can you name a single instance of an execution done in regards to an anti-Semitic remark? The best that could ever be mustered here is execution in regards to planning and inciting ethnic violence.
Also,
>they executed people of social stature for thought crime
If you mean they executed or arrested their political opposition, that's literally how revolutionary states that seek to preserve themselves operate. They aren't unique in that. That isn't "thought crime", that's just the reality of politics, as much as other states may wish to hide it. Most weren't even executed, but there is no reason for the USSR to tolerate counter revolutionaries in its borders on any practical ground. To do so would do nothing more then sacrifice its safety of it's people and the longevity of the revolution for nothing more then some kind of sanctimonious moral indulgence.

 No.656723

>>656696
No. What do kibbutzes have to do with anything?

 No.656775

Freeze Peach is often trumpeted by right wingers who get censored for being assholes online.

 No.657708

>free speech
No such thing, at least in absolute terms. Every single society in history has an Overton Window, sometime tighter sometime wider, and all future societies will have one. It is the set of socially acceptable thoughts and ideas. Political and social change happens when the Overton Window shifts according to material conditions.

 No.657919

Free speech is the guarantee for power to be able to express itself verbally

 No.658434

>>655538
Even if they killed Jews but it's because that they have the wrong thoughts.

 No.658590

>>656696
>And you responded with a tangent about the USSR
Yes, because it was relevant.
>would Kibbutz movement be proof enough
No, because this isn't socialist or a socialist state.
>>658434
>Even if they killed Jews but it's because that they have the wrong thoughts.
No, it's because those particular Jews acted in direct opposition to the state by means of advocating counter-revolution.

 No.658729

>>658590
>No, because this isn't socialist or a socialist state.
The actions of the largest socialist movement in Israel and New York, does not count?

 No.658732

Free speech is the right to express the ruling ideology.

 No.658739

>>658729
No, you dumb fuck. They aren’t hegemonic there

 No.658786

>>645093
a spook
take >>645105 at face value. let's assume yes, they do have a principled allowance of communists - all well and good right?

no. because the same principle that says we're to allow fascists and communists and liberals and children and sex-pests and trainspotters and drunk and the advertising man and the nonce to speak as they wish also means we're going to wind up with such a cacophony that nobody with anything worth saying is going to be heard over the din.

in the internet age, freedom of speech translates directly to a bad signal to noise ratio. the reason it's a shibboleth of dudes who want to say the n-word is precisely because their "political" outlook is the human equivelant of a spambot. no content, just noise. when they say leftism can't exist online without censorship by moderators, they're correct - but the same is true of all human discussion. you've got to take your chances with the mods or with the russian CP spambots.

put more plainly: free speech on the internet is a very clever way of functionally silencing intelligent views you don't like, since they'll be drowned out and unable to maintain a discussion. it's actually a very clever approach, one so clever that i suspect none of those taking it know that's what they're doing. a dog doesn't have to know game theory to understand it's safer in a pack.

 No.658801

>>658786
While we're on the dog analogy, they shit where they eat.

It's clear someone is on the side of cancer when they get ejected from mainstream spaces, and not only shit up their alt-platform, but admit that "free speech" wasn't even the goal but to be able to spread propaganda using someone else's platform.

 No.658829

>>653985
>peachtugal

 No.659264

>>658729
>The actions of the largest socialist movement in Israel and New York, does not count?
It wasn't socialist in the first place.

 No.661868

>>658786
>free speech on the internet is a very clever way of functionally silencing intelligent views you don't like, since they'll be drowned out and unable to maintain a discussion. it's actually a very clever approach,
This implies communism is part of noise meant to drown out intelligent discussion, as your point of view is never censored but given a free reign and even promoted.

 No.661869

>>661868
>This implies communism is part of noise meant to drown out intelligent discussion, as your point of view is never censored but given a free reign and even promoted.
Where is the proof? This point was shown to be false earlier in the thread.

 No.661872

>>659264
Both Stalin and the IWS though they were

 No.661876

>>661872
>Both Stalin and the IWS though they were
Not the kibbutz. They tried to make a realpolitik decision in regards to working with the minority socialist party in the region (which was made up by both native Palestinians and Jews, and had a policy of cooperative integration) to try and deny the area to the west (as Israel was going to come into existence regardless), but it fell through and the USSR moved to supporting opposition to Israel as it quickly became dominated by Zionists.

 No.661877

>>661869
Lol, you referenced the removal of a facebook page to counter protest a FBI honey pot and google changing its algorithm to be more geared towards adverticers. Neitber which targets you, the first one explicitely is trying to keep you out of harms as you might get arrestedfor assaulting a federal agent

 No.661878

>>658786
>succdem flag
>doesn't even care about the supposed upsides to "democracy", just wants to feel elitist and above the masses
can't believe I'm actually siding with the freezepeach tards here

 No.661881

>>661876
Pretty good retcon

 No.661882

>>661877
>Lol, you referenced the removal of a facebook page to counter protest a FBI honey pot and google changing its algorithm to be more geared towards adverticers. Neitber which targets you, the first one explicitely is trying to keep you out of harms as you might get arrestedfor assaulting a federal agent
This is some massive cope, and it doesn't even make any sense. If these corporations are working with the federal government, which I don't think you would reject as valid, then it makes no sense that doing so would prevent arrest. This isn't even confirmation bias, you're just restructuring reality to the point of absurdity so that it fits into your preconceived views of the left. Also,
>google changing its algorithm to be more geared towards adverticers.
If this isn't targeting, then companies aren't targeting the far-right either, because this is their reasoning as well for doing so.

 No.661884

>>661881
>Pretty good retcon
The truth is the truth, I can't help you if you close your ears to it.

 No.661896

>>661882
>If these corporations are working with the federal government, which I don't think you would reject as valid, then it makes no sense that doing so would prevent arrest.
Working with feds in this case means removing a facebook page, because they find it convinient. The means by which it prevents arrests, is very simple, if you are not at the honey pot protest, you can't throw bricks at or assault federal agents. And since they are preventing you from showing up to their honey pot operation, you're not the target. How do you so consistently fail to both read and think?

 No.661898

>>661882
>If this isn't targeting, then companies aren't targeting the far-right either, because this is their reasoning as well for doing so.
Well yes, in that specific move they were not targeting anyone. They target the right with delisting, dehosting, deplatforming, and generally every way of removing nationalist content from the web in almost any they can. For them it is weighing deplaforming against surveilance

 No.661900

>>661878
You shouldn't. Even if no state or culture paid lip service to free speach, your situation would be the same

 No.661924

People who defend or even encourage censorship on anonymous discussion forums are either paid shills trying to undermine the community or suffering from the most extreme form of cognitive dissonance I can imagine.

 No.661926

>>661896
>Working with feds in this case means removing a facebook page, because they find it convinient. The means by which it prevents arrests, is very simple, if you are not at the honey pot protest, you can't throw bricks at or assault federal agents.
That makes no sense. If they are operating together, why would they even do this? Why even have the protest in the first place? It's just a bunch convoluted nonsensical garbage then.
>And since they are preventing you from showing up to their honey pot operation, you're not the target. How do you so consistently fail to both read and think?
Again, that makes no sense. The existence of a honey pot operation, which you still haven't proven, implies that the feds are trying to catch leftists in the first place. And if they are trying to catch leftistis, and the companies work with the feds, then it doubly makes no sense that they removed the page to protect leftists. I am sure that you would use this absurd logic for anyone else besides leftists.
>>661898
>Well yes, in that specific move they were not targeting anyone. They target the right with delisting, dehosting, deplatforming, and generally every way of removing nationalist content from the web in almost any they can.
In what way? I can find nationalist it content easily, and they are permitted to continue on a pretty constant basis. Especially if they shill US talking points about communist countries.
>For them it is weighing deplaforming against surveilance
Again, warping reality to suit you. You have to make a dozen unfounded assumptions to even imply that said corporations and feds are working with communists. This whole thread was just you jumping through hoops to rationalize every single instance of suppression against leftists as not being any such thing. If you were actually honest, you have to concede that suppression occurred, but instead you refuse to because it contradicts the narrative you're trying to shill. Employ Occam's razor for once.

 No.661928

>>661926
*sure that you wouldn't use

 No.661936

>>661926
And before you state "B-but the honey pot was meant to catch right wingers", that makes even less sense, because to you need to catch them in the act of something to arrest them. That would imply actually instigating some kind of conflict, not keeping leftists away.

 No.661945

>>661868
>and even promoted
lol

>>661878
describing how the elite controls the masses does not entail placing oneself above the masses. this sort of snap judgement is cope by those who unconsciously think that if they smack down those who challenge idealism, idealism will actually work.

 No.661976

>>661936
They can instigate something without you being there to fuck it up

 No.661978

>>661945
Breadtubers get on the front page of youtube despite too low numbers, not too disimilar from Ben Shapiro

 No.661987

>>661976
>They can instigate something without you being there to fuck it up
Fuck up what? If it's just one big honeypot, and the feds have no interest in arresting any lefties, then who the fuck even cares if leftists come? It can only be a net benefit. Your retarded narrative only works if all of far-right is actually feds and if the feds are against leftists and will arrest them. Hell, why don't we be consistent? Every instance of the far-right trying to counter protest leftists and having a page removed is actually the feds protecting the far-right lol.

 No.661990

>>661978
>Breadtubers get on the front page of youtube despite too low numbers, not too disimilar from Ben Shapiro
I don't like breadtubers or Shapiro, but they do rack in hundreds of thousands to millions of views.

 No.662007

>>661978
this is where you need your mcluhan. the medium is the message, content is mere bait to get you to let the medium use you.
the distraction isn't breadtube versus shapiro, but youtube versus something else. it may, as a matter of taste, be preferable that you watch accounts which claim to be left-leaning over those which claim to be right-leaning, but their fundamental forms are the same.
the video essay and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. hours upon hours to say what could be read in 10 minutes.

 No.662032

>>662007
>actually i'm being oppressed because my opions are delivered in a more comvenient format
What is it about videos that stop you from doing anything?

 No.662042

>>662032
if you have to ask, you're not going to understand. maybe if i delivered it in the form of a video essay - but alas! the video essay is an inadequate tool for conveying knowledge so you'd be stuck back where you started regardless, having learned only that i have a beautiful voice.

 No.662044

>>662042
>>662007
Why are they distracting neocons with Ben Shapiro videos?

 No.662053

>>662044
because the basic gravitational force of the (capitalist) internet as a whole is towards distraction. the metric is engagement because that's what advertisers want, and anything that can drive it up is the goal. pseudopolitics is great for engagement because people will get angry and fight about it, and people fighting makes for excellent engagement metrics. (but it's not just politics - look at practically any youtube clickbait nonsense and you'll get the idea. ask yourself: if this was the TV age and someone presented these 'shows' to you, would you commission them? would any sane person? no, and yet here they are)

distraction is not so much a structural aim as a structural consequence of focusing purely on engagement in pursuit of profit without concern for quality. (all of this being rather tangential to the question of free speech proper, which is more easily modelled as 4chan vs other imageboards.)

 No.662059

I literally cannot understand the retarded psychobabble above me. I don't know how you people think you're victims. You guys post black dicks and ugly white women on /pol/ every fuckin Monday, and the threads stay up for hours, sometimes days at a time.
How do any of you genuinely think that, within the debate of freedom of the peach or whatever the hell, all of you are the ones who are having their beliefs and opinions suppressed? You guys aren't the ones being taken down because one of you decided to go shoot up a fuckin walmart. You guys aren't the ones who've created a culture where every ban is a badge of honour considering how often it happens.
Let me give an example that I could probably prove in a quick 45 second webm if anyone wants some hard proofs. You go on a discunt server centered around "leftism", and not only is the security for that inactive shithole more tight than a nun's asshole, but stating you're even remotely on the political right and are there to engage in some sort of intellectual activity will always lead to a ban. Shit, I'm probably banned after making a post asking the legitimacy of the board's endless dicksucking of coronashit. For all I know, I could be writing this in vain. Switching to the far-right, I was in a few discunt servers that were ran by literal Neo-Nazis, people like me, and they'd never banned anyone who disagreed with us. They'd either leave, or stay in the background.

 No.662060

>>662059
Your cope is tasty, and I bet your asshole’s as tight as a nun’s

 No.662062

Free speech is important and even socialist states must embrace the concept of civil liberties and rights. People should be allowed to say what they want. The alternative is far worse where no one is allowed to say anything but what the state deems acceptable. The faggots on here will try to gas light people like me but I am 100% correct and American Socialism will respect human rights.

 No.662064

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>>662060
>he took 1 minute and 14 fucking seconds to reply
>to bring out the "le cope xd i am funny like /pol/"
>and then proceed to make homosex statements
leftism. now here's the part where you insult my chin. then will come the part where you call me stupid, and then act like you losing a debate to some fat retard on the internet is actually you teaching someone.

 No.662065

>>662059
Who gives a shit if Nazis 'tolerate' you? They think we should put 80% of the world population in death camps, no shit they don't care about who is on their server, it's not like anyone could be worse than them. Why do you feel like you're entitled to everyone putting up with your bullshit?

 No.662068

>>662065
I'm an actual bona-fide neo nazi, and who specifically are so fucking terrible we need to make them unable to do anything, as in fuckin murder them varies.
How about this, I'd like you to walk me through what identifiable groups you believe Neo Nazis would genocide.

 No.662069

>>662064
Saying you couldn't understand the post above yours already disqualified you from any debate seeing as it wasn't at all complicated

 No.662073

>>662068
It would be enough, I don't give a shit about going into the details with you - if you aren't genocidal then maybe you shouldn't associate yourself with Nazism. Oh and putting the 'lesser races' into slavery isn't really any better.

 No.662074

>>662065
>Who gives a shit if Nazis 'tolerate' you? They think we should put 80% of the world population in death camps, no shit they don't care about who is on their
This is something you invented to insulate yourself from talking to people, as it is a ridiculous charaicature of not letting in endless amount of uyghurs

 No.662076

>>662074
>i'm a neonazi
>uhhh how dare you assume I want mass killings

 No.662077

>>662062
>American
>Socialism
Pick one

 No.662080

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>>662074
I’m pretty sure I can understand what nazis want

 No.662087

>>662073
Holy fucking shit, you retard. I just hate jewish people and all the power they control. I see Muslim "refugees" who are men as the worst of Muslim society, who are escaping just punishment to our all-too-caring society. I see black tribals as peoples who just are a bit further back on societal evolution, as a lack of seasons gave them no reason to farm and plan ahead. I have a deep love for Indian, Himilayan, and American societies and peoples.
I don't see any race as lesser than whites.
The fact that you're just avoiding answering my question, and having me correct or confirm you screams insecurity in your beliefs. Do you truly believe you're right in all of this?

 No.662088

>>662077
I love how eurofags act so pretentious like they aren't also a bunch of liberal shit heads.

 No.662091

>>662088
Well it's true. America's ties with social conservatism and economic privatization is so deep that pretty much all socialists in America's history after World War 2 have been the social liberals.

 No.662093

>>662059
>I literally cannot understand the retarded psychobabble above me. I don't know how you people think you're victims. You guys post black dicks and ugly white women on /pol/ every fuckin Monday, and the threads stay up for hours, sometimes days at a time.
Where is the proof faggot? You really think any of us have time for that?
>How do any of you genuinely think that, within the debate of freedom of the peach or whatever the hell, all of you are the ones who are having their beliefs and opinions suppressed?
Because there is historical precedent for it.
>You guys aren't the ones being taken down because one of you decided to go shoot up a fuckin walmart.
Don't shoot up Walmart then?
>You guys aren't the ones who've created a culture where every ban is a badge of honour considering how often it happens.
Thanks?
>Let me give an example that I could probably prove in a quick 45 second webm if anyone wants some hard proofs. You go on a discunt server centered around "leftism", and not only is the security for that inactive shithole more tight than a nun's asshole, but stating you're even remotely on the political right and are there to engage in some sort of intellectual activity will always lead to a ban.
Don't use fbi.gov, and practically no one here does either. Regardless, what exactly is the issue here?
>Shit, I'm probably banned after making a post asking the legitimacy of the board's endless dicksucking of coronashit. For all I know, I could be writing this in vain.
Cool.
>Switching to the far-right, I was in a few discunt servers that were ran by literal Neo-Nazis, people like me, and they'd never banned anyone who disagreed with us. They'd either leave, or stay in the background.
That's on you then, because that's a retarded policy that can only lead to a race to the bottom, in which spam beats all and no standard needs to be kept. Don't know why you would switch over to being a Neo-Nazi after being on a far right fbi.gov though, it's the two faced, obscene, degenerate nature of how the far right is when no one is looking that initially drove me from the far right to the far left.

 No.662094

>>662062
the concepts you espouse are contentless.
let's imagine, for simplicity of example's sake, that the only public means of communication available to a community is the newspaper. the newspaper has, say, 50 pages, and this cannot be altered in the short term. you wish that "people should be allowed to say what they want" and then side-step that, provided the community wishes to express more than 50 pages of ideas, someone's are going to have to be dropped or truncated to make room.

this has the appearance of an administrative or economic problem, but it is fundamentally a speech problem. when you remove my 50th page of self indulgent keyboard mashing so that someone else can get a word in, you're suppressing my speech and elevating theirs. when you decide against doing so, you're suppressing their speech and elevating mine. no little bill of rights saying "everyone has free speech! :)" can circumvent this. such a document is disingenuous window dressing.
everyone wants to say "freedom, yes!", nobody wishes to deal with the rub: "but for whom? to do what?"

 No.662096

>>662087
Let's say I believe that you don't see any race as 'lesser' even though you're pretty plainly stating that you do, how can I ever live with anyone that sees the world the way you do? I mean I'm sure you also have extremist social views which are just as bad as your racial ones too. Not to mention that you aren't a socialist so why should I bother with you anyway? There's no alliance with people like you. You're too dangerous, it's just in your nature.

 No.662103

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>>662087
>as a lack of seasons gave them no reason to farm and plan ahead
<Never read about farming in Africa
<Implying Africa has no seasons
Either bait or burger

 No.662107

>>662093
>Where is the proof faggot? You really think any of us have time for that?
look at the catalogue on any weekday lol, shit bait threads everywhere
>Because there is historical precedent for it.
yeah like burning down churches ya fuckin communist?
>Don't shoot up Walmart then?
When the fuck did I shoot up walmart you illiterate autistic spaz
>Don't use fbi.gov, and practically no one here does either.
Don't bullshit me carl
>Regardless, what exactly is the issue here?
You ban political dissidents, we don't. The only ones who do are either le alt lite homos or are groups that take themselves either not seriously at all or way too seriously.
>That's on you then, because that's a retarded policy that can only lead to a race to the bottom, in which spam beats all and no standard needs to be kept.
No standards? Retard, the amount of genuine discussion that actually gets somewhere on those servers is way more than this garbage.
>Don't know why you would switch over to being a Neo-Nazi after being on a far right fbi.gov though, it's the two faced, obscene, degenerate nature of how the far right is when no one is looking that initially drove me from the far right to the far left.
I have never seen any behaviour that fits under the description of "two faced", "obscene", or "degenerate". You people are really quick to stab someone in the back though. You people love to be obscene for the sake of offending people. And by god, I'll be damned if not one of the moderator on this site is involved with a child exploitation ring.
Some kid shoots three random members of one of the largest Socialist groups in the world. He ends up shooting a wife beater, a thief, and a pedophile. So that begs the question, what does that make you?
>>662103
Extreme seasons jackass. I'm talking about "being outside for to death". Not more rain and less rain.
Also that's ignoring all them kangdoms and shieet

 No.662109

>>662107
>The only ones who do are either le alt lite homos or are groups that take themselves either not seriously at all or way too seriously
not REAL naziism

 No.662112

>>662109
Well the first group aren't Nazis, and the second group are either Nazis or Feds. I never said all of the groups that I'd be talking about were fuckin nazis you illiterate bum.

 No.662116

>>662112
*fucking

 No.662118

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>>662116
i never put apostrophes after a contraction

 No.662187

>>662107
>look at the catalogue on any weekday lol, shit bait threads everywhere
Not an answer, where is the proof it's us?
>yeah like burning down churches ya fuckin communist?
Non sequitur
>When the fuck did I shoot up walmart you illiterate autistic spaz
If you're going to point fingers at us for all of hell and back, then you're going to have to bite the bullet of your side shooting up a Walmart.
>Don't bullshit me carl
No bullshit, and you have no proof of such. Random screenshots of fbi.govs that appeared days before the screenshot and that there exists no link to, as well as having picture that already exist on the internet, are not proof.
>You ban political dissidents, we don't. The only ones who do are either le alt lite homos or are groups that take themselves either not seriously at all or way too seriously.
Literally every consequential political movement or group bans their opposition, even if it's as simple an act as killing them, which has the same result. Even your own statement has everyone on the right included.
>No standards? Retard, the amount of genuine discussion that actually gets somewhere on those servers is way more than this garbage.
I don't think "Discussion about how brownhole is trad and based #17251772" is really getting anywhere lol. How young are you to think this?
>I have never seen any behaviour that fits under the description of "two faced", "obscene", or "degenerate".
And yet I have, so either you're lying, or you're just new enough to not have experienced it.
>You people are really quick to stab someone in the back though.
Dude, have you been on the far-right? I mean actually engrossed in it? Picking someone up only to kick them back down because the new hotness is here occurs on a fucking monthly basis. You fags will backstab someone you just learned of a few weeks ago, all because someone called him shareblue, controlled opposition, or a shill. Even this thread has you throwing you're own under the bus.
>You people love to be obscene for the sake of offending people.
In what way?
>And by god, I'll be damned if not one of the moderator on this site is involved with a child exploitation ring.
Then be damned, because there is zero proof of such. If anything, the moderators have extremely strict policy against even the mention of pornography even fictionally alluding to someone underage.
>Some kid shoots three random members of one of the largest Socialist groups in the world. He ends up shooting a wife beater, a thief, and a pedophile.
None of the people you are referencing were part of any socialist group at all.
>So that begs the question, what does that make you?
None of those things? You can go in the Nazi pedo thread and find those on the far-right being discovered to have a rap sheet a mile long after being beaten up or caught.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/06/rio-police-brazil-nazi-trove-man-suspect-child-sexual-abuse

 No.662190

>>662107
>Extreme seasons jackass. I'm talking about "being outside for to death". Not more rain and less rain.
Only a burger could see African seasons as not extreme. How the fuck are drought seasons or literal extreme rains not extreme?
>Also that's ignoring all them kangdoms and shieet
African farming isn't even some unknown thing. It was just hard to maintain in large quantities due to said earlier weather and climate.

 No.662191

>>662190
If you don't have snow you don't have seasons, simple as. I am from the master race BTW and know what's best for the entire world.

 No.662240

>>662091
And let's see, why are euro fags magically better? Why do you retards think you're better than us when Germany slaughtered Socialists and established a literal fascist dictatorship. Euro's have done just as little as americans and have no fucking room to talk.

 No.662241

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 No.662242

>>662094
this is 2021 you retard. Look at the platforms that exist today. Leftypol, Leftychan, and many other platforms that allow freespeech. Even platforms that have little no no moderations such as zerchan. Just because corperate monoplies control things today doesn't mean anything.

Like, I don't understand this logic of "Oh well other people will give boo's and hurray's when it comes to differing opinions so therefore we should just throw the baby out with the bath water and allow the state to just crush all decent"

It's retarded and you are retarded.

 No.662243

>>662241
Truth Hurts Europoors.

 No.662249

>>662242
/leftypol/ does not allow free speech. you may wish to familiarise yourself with the rules: https://leftypol.org/rules.html
you "don't understand the logic" because you do not understand the basics of communication or our present situation. you worry that "the state" will "crush all dissent" like it's 1948. you worry that we who have no power may somehow "allow" this, (as though a token document would prevent it!) you have yet to see that provided no effective opposition to those in power (state or private!) is organised, it matters not whether you crush all dissent or simply allow dissenters to wallow in irrelevant little corner clubs.

you demand the right to speak - fine, that i will grant - but i will keep for myself the right to be heard.

 No.662250

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>>662187
>Not an answer, where is the proof it's us?
Happens every weekday lmao
>I don't think "Discussion about how brownhole is trad and based #17251772" is really getting anywhere lol. How young are you to think this?
I would say where, but there may or may not be a forum on the clearnet where people are talking about potential methods to induce an overthrow of a political entity, entirely hypothetically. I don't see that here.
>You fags will backstab someone you just learned of a few weeks ago, all because someone called him shareblue, controlled opposition, or a shill.
When the fuck does that happen? Oh, you're gonna talk about some fucking eceleb grifter that barely anyone knows personally whose part of the general political right? Real fuckin good work there, dumbass.
>If anything, the moderators have extremely strict policy against even the mention of pornography even fictionally alluding to someone underage.
If you walked up to fuckin Bill Clinton or literally any major politician or public figure on Jeffy E.'s list and asked them what they thought of pedophiles on camera, they'd say they hate them. Come on man.
>None of the people you are referencing were part of any socialist group at all.
antifer, but that's "not a group" basically it's everything you need it to be to avoid responsibility.
>that article tho
Look, collecting Nazi memorabilia isn't something that directly associates someone with being a Nazi, you're a dumbass if you think that. What about Lemmy? What about that fuckin guy from Slayer? They're not nazis, they've made it clear they're nazis. And then you have the fact this is an isolated case. How about we talk about Cream City? Let's discuss John Money. And hey, what about NAMBLA? It's founder was David Thorstad, who was an outspoken Communist!
>>662190
Having more or less water during different times of the year is something that regions above fucking 30 degrees latitude do have, but they also have the fact that if you stand outside without proper gear, you will fucking die. Do you understand how much of a biological filter that is? We don't have a natural coat, we need to go out and perform a rather complicated process in order to have one, and that's after slaying some wild beast.

 No.662252

>>662250
>trotskyist
>"communist"
lole

 No.662257

>>662252
>muh specific type of collectivist philosophy to reduce the amount of exploitation in the system of labour and goods was different than mine

 No.662259

>>662257
trotskyism is about increasing exploitation in order to make newspapers though

 No.662283

>>662250
>Happens every weekday lmao
Again, where is the proof?
>I would say where, but there may or may not be a forum on the clearnet where people are talking about potential methods to induce an overthrow of a political entity, entirely hypothetically. I don't see that here.
Cause that's a fucking retarded thing to talk about on a website that can be entered into a url, at in regards to actual planned action. Anons here though literally talk all the time about hypothetical methods, it's literally what people are stuck circularly debating about.
>When the fuck does that happen? Oh, you're gonna talk about some fucking eceleb grifter that barely anyone knows personally whose part of the general political right? Real fuckin good work there, dumbass.
No, I mean actual people on the far right just routinely back stabbing each other, of which ecelebs come and go in. Are you even old enough to remember the whole stormfront debacle, or Weev?
>If you walked up to fuckin Bill Clinton or literally any major politician or public figure on Jeffy E.'s list and asked them what they thought of pedophiles on camera, they'd say they hate them. Come on man.
Then all you're doing is just making unfounded allegations and grasping at air. Come back when you have actual proof.
>antifer, but that's "not a group" basically it's everything you need it to be to avoid responsibility.
It isn't a group though. It literally isn't even an organization, and none of the people shot stated they were to begin with. If you're going to try and apply this standard, you're going to have to apply this standard to yourself as well and the conflating of strategy and group.
>Look, collecting Nazi memorabilia isn't something that directly associates someone with being a Nazi, you're a dumbass if you think that. What about Lemmy? What about that fuckin guy from Slayer? They're not nazis, they've made it clear they're nazis. And then you have the fact this is an isolated case.
Did you read the article or not? This isn't just a collector, the guy openly states his denial of the Holocaust and the idea of the Nazis being in the right. And we have a whole thread showing this isn't an isolated case.
>How about we talk about Cream City? Let's discuss John Money. And hey, what about NAMBLA?
None of this has anything to do with us.
>It's founder was David Thorstad, who was an outspoken Communist!
He literally left the trot organization he was a part of and stopped being a communist after. He literally had to leave his organization before he started making his views known.
>Having more or less water during different times of the year is something that regions above fucking 30 degrees latitude do have, but they also have the fact that if you stand outside without proper gear, you will fucking die.
Literally the same with the seasons in Africa. You can't just stand outside without shelter you fag during monsoon season.
>Do you understand how much of a biological filter that is? We don't have a natural coat, we need to go out and perform a rather complicated process in order to have one, and that's after slaying some wild beast.
Everyone had to slay wild beasts you retard! Literally fucking everyone made garbs and coats from their pelts. Even tribes in warmer climates did this, because of the night being itself a hazard. Do you faggots even listen to yourselves or question yourselves in the slightest? Do you have any capacity for self-criticism at all, or do you just eat up whatever you read from a meme?

 No.662289

>>662059
>You guys post black dicks and ugly white women on /pol/
you're doing that to yourselves

 No.662300

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>>662289
>at in regards to actual planned action.
all theory
>Are you even old enough to remember the whole stormfront debacle, or Weev?
Nope. Still don't care. The groups I'm in haven't backstabbed eachother, so take that as you will.
>It literally isn't even an organization, and none of the people shot stated they were to begin with.
mental gymnastics through the roof
>lies about faggot mcpedophile over there not being a communist after all
liar liar pants on fucking fire!
i'm not trusting a single word, the sheer level of bullshit that Thorstead wasn't a communist for his entire life is retarded and shows you're willing to lie with obvious bullshit

 No.662305

tell me you're not bored of Kapitän textwall over here.

 No.662307


 No.662315

>>662300
>all theory
And I suppose you're actually doing things on fbi.gov?
>Nope. Still don't care. The groups I'm in haven't backstabbed eachother, so take that as you will
Zero self awareness. You just accused us of backstabbing by grouping us up with some nebulous leftists that you refused to specify, and then when the same standards are packed on you, you specify to your particular isolated fbi.gov group.
>mental gymnastics through the roof
How is that mental gymnastics at all? You didn't refute this at all or provide proof. They weren't, and that's the actual flat out truth.
>liar liar pants on fucking fire!
Your screenshot literally supports my point.
>i'm not trusting a single word, the sheer level of bullshit that Thorstead wasn't a communist for his entire life is retarded and shows you're willing to lie with obvious bullshit
How are you this fucking dense, it literally says he left the trot organization he was a part of. You're literally lying to my face while posting shit that shows you are lying. All I can find of him after that date is general works that have him describing himself as "leftist", but no longer communist.

 No.662318

>>662300
>>662315
And more fucking importantly, if Thorstead is "one of ours", you have to take and accept as "one of yours" every far-right pedophile and pedophile supporter out there as well, even those outside of any organization. You want to point out one? I can point out dozens upon dozens on your "side".

 No.662341

>>662318
First, fuck off liar
Second, the distinction that should be definitely made is that the pedos on your side aren't literal who's and nobodies. These are big names. Thorstad was a writer for a Socialist Paper, a writer of several books, a president of a gay activist group, etc. for example. And then we have the Brazilian guy. Who the fuck is he again? And this is also taking the alleged bit into account. Do you have any articles where it displays sufficient and quality evidence that he *did* rape a minor? You can call anyone a pedophile nowadays and, given enough influence and power, people will believe it and see it as a holy duty to kill that fucker. So until he's proven guilty, he's not a pedophile. But your Throstad guy? He spent his whole life trying to get pedos to be accepted.

 No.662343

>>654425
>>NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!1 COMMUNISTS ARE NOT CENSORED!!!!!1 I DON'T BELIEVINO!!
stfu commies my ideology is repressed while you are free to wear your ideology out in public!1

 No.662350

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>>662343
Jfc the united farm workers (the flag you used) had nothing to do with nazis and were a union of immigrants, some illegal, in the western united states. Nowadays the symbol is associated with aztlan, though the history remains. Anyway california (united baja and alta plus some states like sonora and sinaloa and nevada and arizona) should be its own country, so i guess i support aztlan as long as it doesnt empower cartels or whatever. Also they should be maoists and get chinabux to prop up their nation

 No.662357

File: 1640573967422.mp4 (10.61 MB, 1920x1080, UFW-DK.mp4)

>>662350
I know, but it's a useful 'irony flag' like Gay Nazi and Spurdo.
Seriously, who the fuck picked that flag and thought it was a good idea? Someone had to have noticed.

 No.662361


 No.662367

>>662357
>spurdo
>meme
benis

 No.662368

>>662341
>First, fuck off liar
Didn't lie, and your screenshot shows that.
>Second, the distinction that should be definitely made is that the pedos on your side aren't literal who's and nobodies. These are big names. Thorstad was a writer for a Socialist Paper, a writer of several books, a president of a gay activist group, etc. for example.
They are literal who's. Literally anyone can write for a socialist paper, anyone can write a book, and while he was a president of that pedo organization, he had already left the trot organization he was a part of by that time. In regards to socialist organizations, he's a complete nobody. He isn't some big name revolutionary. This isnt the head of the CPUSA. He isn't even the head of the trot organization he was a part of. He was literally a low level grifter who came in and then left.
>And then we have the Brazilian guy. Who the fuck is he again? And this is also taking the alleged bit into account. Do you have any articles where it displays sufficient and quality evidence that he *did* rape a minor? You can call anyone a pedophile nowadays and, given enough influence and power, people will believe it and see it as a holy duty to kill that fucker. So until he's proven guilty, he's not a pedophile.
Double standard you have here, you wouldn't stop for a second if a leftist was the one being accused. And the proof is pretty damning that he tried to have sex with a minor. You want a bigger names though? Try Paul Schäfer, August Kreis, and Frank Collin.
>But your Throstad guy? He spent his whole life trying to get pedos to be accepted.
Not "our guy", and to my knowledge he never actually did the deed, unlike your guys.

 No.662370

>>662368
>your screenshot shows that.
leaving a group is not the same as leaving an ideology, shit he left the group because he believed it wasn't marxist enough
>Double standard you have here, you wouldn't stop for a second if a leftist was the one being accused.
Not really. Am I surprised when a leftist is touching little kids? No lmao. But do I make sure that the person is touching little kids before I tell people that? Yeah. Why are you assuming that I have a double standard?
>the proof si damning
post the fucking proofs then. post proofs that he was sentenced guilty. even so, brazils a corrupt country.
>Not "our guy", and to my knowledge he never actually did the deed
actually delusional

 No.662388

>>662370
>leaving a group is not the same as leaving an ideology, shit he left the group because he believed it wasn't marxist enough
We have no idea what his conception of them "lacking an analysis" was though, so it could just be retarded loony shit. I can't find him advocating for communism after or trying to make any kind of new communist organization.
>Not really. Am I surprised when a leftist is touching little kids? No lmao. But do I make sure that the person is touching little kids before I tell people that? Yeah. Why are you assuming that I have a double standard?
Because you pull this shit all the time. You literally assume before hand, without any kind of proof, that X person is absolutely a pedophile. You fucking were dead certain that this site had child trafficking with, once again, no proof. At least all the people I mentioned are being convicted or were convicted of touching kids. Where the hell is your proof?
>post the fucking proofs then. post proofs that he was sentenced guilty. even so, brazils a corrupt country.
The man was already accused in the past and has a history of trying to lure children, with the accusation of him raping a 12 year old boy being only brought once again to the forefront after he was arrested for trying to prey on minors again. His case is on going, so if you want I can just post others who were convicted. Let's start with some "big names" like you stated though. As mentioned before, Paul Schäfer, August Kreis, and Frank Collin. All known leaders of their organizations, all "respected" within them. Not nobodies, not grifters, not low level randos. These are big names, the top of the top.
>actually delusional
Again, not an answer. Notice how I have to make actual arguments, and your only come back is "delusional" or "mental gymnastics" with zero elaboration.

 No.662389

>>662249
A token document wont stop it you stupid faggot but it allows me to have at least some legal rights in cert courts of law. That's the point. Not to prevent, but, to disuade. You faggots are so dishonest. (especially you) Just like tor allows me to circuvent the prying eyes of the faggot moderation here legal rights gauruntee me these rights to be held up, hopefully, in a court of law. It isn't perfect but only retards deal in absolutes.

>it matters not whether you crush all dissent or simply allow dissenters to wallow in irrelevant little corner clubs.


And this is the dumbest line of all because your enemies who allow dissenters to wallow in their little snow flake corners will use your violence to turn your own population against you.


Look at how effective propaganda against china and the USSR is. You are a babbling retard socdem.

 No.662403

>>662388
>image
alright fucker
From https://theirishsentinel.com/2020/08/31/antifa-has-a-major-pedophile-problem/ (https://archive.is/uNcob)
>The Burkean’s actions directed significant attention towards Ireland’s official Antifa organization, Antifascist Ireland, a group that has come under fire in the past for the history of its alleged founding member and leading figurehead, Pat Corcoran — a convicted pedophile.
>In February of 2020, seven Russian Antifa members were sentenced to 6-18 years in prison for planning bombings intended to disrupt the 2018 Russian presidential elections.
And holy shit, apparently your own does some real sick shit along the side. This isn't just being a nonce, this is being a Lefty-Nonce.
>The women, some of whom were as young as 14 when they had their experiences with the Antifa leader, were all horrifically sexually assaulted.
>They were used as domestic slaves, forced to shoplift, routinely beaten and threatened into performing degrading sexual acts, and one was even infected with Sagynbaev’s HIV.
Thankfully, other anarchists told this fucker to fuck off, which is good. Thank fuck you guys have at least some morally upstanding people in your ranks.
>Micah Isaiah Rhodes of Portland’s Resistance was arrested in 2014 and in 2015 for sexually abusing a minor girl and minor boy.
>During his trials, the county Sheriff revealed that Rhodes had an inappropriate history with minors dating to his youth. At 14, Rhodes was caught sexually abusing a 9 year old boy, and at 15, Rhodes was caught with three much younger boys.
And then we have that Rosenbaum jew that got smoked by an ugly Half-Mexican 17 year old with a plastic burger lardo gun.
>Where the hell is your proof?
my proofs of what? Half the shit I said was schizo shit, and the other half has easily viewable proofs.

 No.662431

>>662242
>>662389
>Believing in free speech as a real thing to begin with
The SocDem is retarded for being a SocDem, but you're retarded for having a liberal outlook of the world. This doesn't exist in any consequential way, especially when the chips are on the table. A less then guaranteed "right" is worse then no right at all, because at least for the latter you know what's up and can oppose it. With the former, you can be sold a bridge and bent over the court podium, and by the end it's "legitimate" and "proper".

 No.662439

>>662389
>A token document wont stop it you stupid faggot but it allows me to have at least some legal rights in cert courts of law.
You can have all the "legal rights" you want on one condition: I get to be both the trial and the appeal judge.
Your own post is enough to indict you: rights will "not prevent, but… disuade", yet legal rights will also "gauruntee me these rights to be held up", only the guarantee is a false one, because it's only "hopefully"
It's not about a question of perfection. It's about your idealism masking reality. The right to speak is of no consequence without the ability to be heard, and the ability to be heard is a fixed resource.

>Look at how effective propaganda against china and the USSR is.

Unless you're a liberal who thinks that US citizens are/were more free than those of the USSR or China, this example should perfectly illustrate my point. The US is a profoundly unfree society. You take at face value the propaganda of their freedom - you think that America actually has "free speech" in any meaningful way, or that the ways in which it does have it (which, let me remind you, goes so far as "actually corporate political donations are protected speech") are an improvement on the alternatives.

You look at the golden bars on your cage and scream that I am a traitor to want to remove them, or at least to widen them so that you may come and go.

 No.662448

>>662403
>alright fucker From https://theirishsentinel.com/2020/08/31/antifa-has-a-major-pedophile-problem/
This article has literally zero sources or proof, the same thing you just decried. As you stated in regards to the guy mentioned earlier, these are nobodies. The bombing allegation also has actually zero proof to it at all, and the organization has no written record the authorities themselves can provide for it even existing.
>And holy shit, apparently your own does some real sick shit along the side. This isn't just being a nonce, this is being a Lefty-Nonce.
>Thankfully, other anarchists told this fucker to fuck off, which is good. Thank fuck you guys have at least some morally upstanding people in your ranks.
If we are going to be consistent here, then you have no case, because there is no convictions in regards to these charges, as you yourself said. Only the Irish man has actual convictions for pictures, and he was removed. Not only that, there is no sources for either in the article.
>Micah Isaiah Rhodes of Portland’s Resistance was arrested in 2014 and in 2015 for sexually abusing a minor girl and minor boy.
>During his trials, the county Sheriff revealed that Rhodes had an inappropriate history with minors dating to his youth. At 14, Rhodes was caught sexually abusing a 9 year old boy, and at 15, Rhodes was caught with three much younger boys.
What does this have to do with us? The argument was in regards to communists, not some liberal in a non-communist organization. Notice how I've yet to mention any conservative in my arguements as well?
>And then we have that Rosenbaum jew that got smoked by an ugly Half-Mexican 17 year old with a plastic burger lardo gun.
Again, what does this have to do with us? If we are going to go "wide", you're going to have to take everything that entails as well, and that's a long fucking list for you.
>my proofs of what? Half the shit I said was schizo shit, and the other half has easily viewable proofs.
Proof for all of the shit from before that you just asserted outright, and are now walking back from.

Now again, because you tried to dodge the three individuals mentioned:
Paul Schäfer, August Kreis, and Frank Collin

 No.662453

>>662403
>>662448
Or you know what? You want to go all the way in regards to bringing up anyone? Let's go all the way then.

Martyn Gilleard, local leader of the National Socialist British People’s Party, prepared for bombing. 39,000 child pornography images were in his possession: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/7469180.stm

Two members of the far-right British National Party drank 14-year-old girls to death and sexually abused: https://theukdatabase.com/2012/05/08/ian-hindleandrew-wells-blackburn/

A 40-year-old fascist addict brutally beat his 16-year-old girlfriend: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/14249499._Controlling__Blackburn_drug_addict_repeatedly_punched_and_kicked_teen_girlfriend_as_she_lay_on_on

A 13-year-old girl was sexually abused by a racist fanatic and held illegal images of her: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/race-hate-thug-who-chanted-7916756

The National Socialist 43-year-old BNP member found 17,058 child porn images and 215 videos. He himself had also filmed child pornography and told his pedophile friends online that he wanted to murder the little boy and videotape it: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/walker-nazi-worshipper-exposed-paedophile-1406079

47-year-old member of the Nazi organization Blood & Honor convicted of shocking violent rape: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2016/02/17/darlington-s-nazi-rapist-jailed-for-nine-years-for/

Ryan Fleming, a member of the National Socialist National Action, tortured and sexually abused a teenage boy: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/national-action-launch-paedophile-hunting-investigative-journalism-series-even-though-one-of -its-members-is-a-sex-offender_uk_5756cfc7e4b0411d4de1fe4c

The same white nationalist Rayan Fleming was also convicted of sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl: https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15441403._Boastful_and_arrogantman_jailed_for_sex_with_girl14__he_met_on_Facebook/

A 43-year-old far-right White Man March supporter raped two children at least 13 times: https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/horrific-abuser-who-raped-vulnerable-children-after-buying-them-sweets-jailed -for-20-years-1-7582633

A 60-year-old BNP and EDL activist murdered a 15-year-old girl who was sexually obsessed in his apartment: online: https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/paige-murderer-jailed-for- more-than-three-decades-1-7381160

A far-right EDL activist couple exploited a 7-year-old child, photographed child pornography and distributed it online: https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/heysham-woman-accused-of-using-seven-year-old -girl-for-worldwide-pornography-1-7364866

The same couple has also fledged a 13-year-old girl to her apartment where the man had sexually abused this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/8572755.stm

A far-rightist who was previously convicted of a mosque attack and appeared as a "pedophile hunter" was revealed to be a pedophile himself who tried to lure a child into sex: https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/crime-court/romford-paedophile-squad-jailed-for-grindr- blackmail-1-4156153

The far-right nationalist repeatedly raped a 12-year-old girl: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/jailed-army-cadet-sergeant-groomed-9400037

An EDL active sexually assaulted a 13-year-old boy, and lured teenage boys into sexual activity via the Internet: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/kane-hutchison-gateshead-sex-offender- 8937114

A member of EDL and Britain First, convicted of attempting a bomb attack on a mosque, was in possession of child pornography: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2015/01/07/britain-first-officer-on-sex- offenders-register /

A member of the far-right North West Alliance was convicted of several rapes and child sex offenses: http://www.deeside.com/shotton-man-mervyn-jones-sentanced-17-years-jail-sex-offences-four-children/

EDL member raped 14-year-old: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11278914.Man_charged_with_rape_of_Blackburn_schoolgirl

An EDL member convicted of armed robbery kidnapped a 10-year-old child and tried to rape this: https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10740053.Armed_robber_and_child_kidnapper_could_be_on_the_run_in_Sussex/

A member of the nationalist North West Infidels, he admits to being a child abuser. Received convictions for several sex offenses: https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8030864.Child_molester_jailed_after_girl_relives_horror/

Matthew Woodward, an EDL member, found child porn images and videos of 10-year-olds: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2012/05/20/why-did-the-edl-not-protest-this- paedophile-case

An EDL activist working with children sent sexual text messages to a 14-year-old: https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/15935498.Connah_s_Quay_project_worker_sent_sexual_texts_to_teenager

The EDL man prepared for the 13-year-old to be abused online and eventually raped him: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/facebook-pervert-stephen-payne-walks-1736961

Richard Price, a founding member and former director of EDL, was in possession of child pornography. Tommy Robinson, considered a far-right martyr of freedom, defended pedophile Richard: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader

BNP racist activist convicted of child pornography images and videos: http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/8771457.display/

BNP member found child pornography in a home search: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/meliden-killers-dad-child-porn-2053471

The same BNP fascist, Ian Siree, previously raped a 14-year-old and harassed a 12-year-old: https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8043021.Karate_instructor_on_sex_charge/

The racist, who was also a candidate for election to the BNP, was part of a child pornography network where he distributed material about boys under the age of 13: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2012/07/18/bnp-hypocrisy-over-paedophile/

Another racist who was a candidate for the BNP election, Roderick Rowley, was also convicted of possession and distribution of child pornography: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/10-things-you-should-know-about-the- bnp-when-you-watch-question-time-Tonight-1806874.html

 No.662538

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>This article has literally zero sources or proof, the same thing you just decried.
ehhhh search the cases then
>If we are going to be consistent here, then you have no case, because there is no convictions in regards to these charges, as you yourself said. Only the Irish man has actual convictions for pictures, and he was removed.
Convictions on which charges
>non-communist organization
common sense says otherwise but go off
>Again, what does this have to do with us?
some cunt in antifa or whatever the fuck s a communist. you are communist. simple as.
>Now again, because you tried to dodge the three individuals mentioned:
>Paul Schäfer, August Kreis, and Frank Collin
fuckin kill em they're all nonces simple as
>>662453
Okay then? Don't care. I could probably find the same number for you people, and at the very least I don't see pedos on twitter calling themselves nazis as much as I see fuckin communists.
Perhaps this argument is retarded, and we equally have pedophiles in our movements.

 No.662548

>>662538
>presented with proof
<I don't care
kek

 No.662612

>>662538
>ehhhh search the cases then
Tried to, couldn't find anything besides the Russia case, and that was one where it was infamous for not having any evidence for the actual organization existing.
>Convictions on which charges
For the Irishman, the conviction (if your article is to be believed) was of possessing child pornography. For the Russian case, the only conviction was in regards to an alleged planned bombing. There was no conviction that I can find regarding the single person who allegedly carried out abuse.
>common sense says otherwise but go off
"Common sense" would have you first go to their website and notice that there is not a single mention of communism anywhere.
>some cunt in antifa or whatever the fuck s a communist. you are communist. simple as.
Again, you had no proof for this.
>fuckin kill em they're all nonces simple as
Not an answer to what was brought up. You tried to deflect by downplaying your own and playing up "our own", despite your own being literal leaders of major far-right organizations, and "our own" being people who grifted near the bottom. And I doubt you would have accepted "just kill them" as something which "exonerated" us, as that was already a given, so why should you be let off so easy?
>Okay then? Don't care.
So now you don't care?
>I could probably find the same number for you people, and at the very least I don't see pedos on twitter calling themselves nazis as much as I see fuckin communists.
Want to fucking bet? I can bring up lists of Nazis defending pedophilia as "trad", complaining about the AoC, and arguing that it's actually "hebephilia". We have the thread still open showing it. For fucks sake, even retardo far-right "soup" cases like Fuentes question the AoC and call it something that was just made up by woman to keep men from dating younger. This is also a fat fucking backpeddle from what your previous "standards" were in regards to what was valid and what wasn't for this argument.
>Perhaps this argument is retarded, and we equally have pedophiles in our movements.
Faggot, you were the one who brought up child trafficking and pedophilia in the first place, and pointed fingers at specifically us based on fucking nothing. Now you backpeddle to "W-well, maybe it's both of us!"? I'm not going to concede to this statement, because at least I brought the receipts. What did you bring? An unsourced article, a man who left his organization and never led it, and a bunch of people you can't even prove as communists? Your one comeback was to turn your fucking nose up and arrogantly say that there is a distinction between "big names" and nobodies, and then all you can bring up is nobodies, and practically all I can bring up is major fucking names.
>Posts self as chad
Fucking cope you uyghur. If you have to do this for yourself with nothing to warrant it, you fucked up somewhere.

 No.662616

This thread is proof that freedom of speech doesn't exist, and wouldn't be a useful concept even if it did.
It's degenerated into incoherent schizos demanding proof off each other. What do you do?

Moderators can intervene.
Upboats/le downboats.
Automated filters.
Shadowbans.
Individual ignore list.
A combination of approaches.

You can't simply do nothing otherwise the internet fills up with schizo spam, which has been well understood since the BBS/usenet days, yet the fantasy idealism of "free speech" persists.

 No.662671

>>662616
It's perpetuated by the same people that you would want to keep away from normal people, not a surprise it persists.

 No.662694

>>662612
>Want to fucking bet? I can bring up lists of Nazis defending pedophilia as "trad", complaining about the AoC, and arguing that it's actually "hebephilia". We have the thread still open showing it. For fucks sake, even retardo far-right "soup" cases like Fuentes question the AoC and call it something that was just made up by woman to keep men from dating younger.
Someone recantly posted that survey done on men's fetishes and political orientation and pedophilia was firmly in the right quadrant

 No.662703

>>662616
Go to any no-moderation/abandoned imageboard and you'll find it plastered in bot spam, /pol/ mass-posting spam and ads for other imageboards. If your lucky, none of them contain CP images, but maybe that does beyond 'speech' by some definitions.

>>662671
Absolutely. It's no coincidence that most of the 'freeze peach' idealists are overwhelmingly rightoids (either 200% edge or literal neo-nazis) and people who want to debate or discuss pedophilia. They're the people that even most permissive places (that aren't purpose-built havens) will consider telling to piss off. An issue is that these people actively drive others away and usually arrive all at once when they find a new home, flooding out other topics.
Interestingly, I think 8ch was intentionally one of the freeze peach *chans, but only as a platform. Individual boards had a heap of rules and restriction. I think masterchan was too (basically the 8chan board creation concept years before 8chan was made) but it had a major CP problem.

 No.663197

>>662612
Still don't care retard. You post literal whos I never heard of, call them "big figures" and get shocked when I do the same lmao. I'll still believe the ones with shit evidence were just glow'd.
>>662703
>'freeze peach' idealists are overwhelmingly rightoids (either 200% edge or literal neo-nazis) and people who want to debate or discuss pedophilia.
jesus fucking christ, you're out here sperging about how people who believe the free transfer of ideas are people who want pedophilia to be accepted.

 No.663255

>>663197
>Still don't care retard. You post literal whos I never heard of, call them "big figures" and get shocked when I do the same lmao.
Zero fucking self awareness. This whole fucking shit started because you were the one to point fingers first. Only the Brazilian was a literal who, I then followed up by actual big names who led their respective organizations. I didn't just call them "big figures", they are big figures. You on the other hand did the complete opposite. You started off with a person who could barely be considered a big name in regards to communism and communist organizations, and then followed up with nobodies that you tried to play up. I kept moving up with my argument while you started graping at the bottom of the barrel after your first example. This isn't you responding to dishonesty with dishonesty, this you falling back on more dishonest examples to try and make an argument against examples which match and surpass your own fucking standards that you laid out.
>I'll still believe the ones with shit evidence were just glow'd.
C'mon, you know for a fact that you would have never accepted this if I stated it.

You're a hypocrite who can't hold his own arguments to the standard he set, and the worst part is that you're such a self absorbed narcissist that you can't even see it.

 No.663290

>>663255
I think you should understand why I'm so dismissive of the whole ordeal.
While this whole argument was happening, I remembered a picture that lolifags love to post, presenting the English as kiddie diddlers. I proceeded to go to the Wikipedia article for child rape, and I took statistics of the annual amount of diddled kids per year in the US and the UK. I then proceeded to calculate the population divided by the amount of raped kids to see how prevalent child rape was in both nations.
In the United States, I found approx. 4500 per raped kid. In the UK, I found approx. 2000 per raped kid, which is considerably worse. So already, the UK has a serious kiddie diddling problem compared to fucking burgerland.
Now another thing we need to take into account is sensationalism. Operating under the - very likely true - assumption that media outlets have a hate boner for the extreme political right compared to the extreme political left, of fucking course they'd chimp out and announce to everyone that the "Evil nazi is a fuckin nonce get em lads".
And so, on a fundamental level, I just inherently believe that the samples you're taking are sensationalism at best.
Now, if we are to assume that the political right is inherently more likely to be kiddie diddlers, then I need to ask this question: Why aren't we hearing horror stories of KKK members raping their daughters in-mass? Surely if the political right is kiddiediddler central, than it's safe to assume that far-right groups in particularly the deep South would be exposed as massive child rape rings, with news stories everywhere talking about how the KKK would fuck eachothers neices in the backwoods of Alabama, after one of them left for a coastal city seeking refuge with a dollop of sympathy from literally everyone, which lead to her taking full advantage of the #MeToo movement to expose those far right groups as what you say they are; child rape rings.
If you can prove that happened, then I definitely won't change my beliefs, but you've informed me that there's a serious need of a fuckin purge within our group, which I can thank you for.
I just think you guys are pedophiles by association because you like gays and jews, former of which I can say "muh studies" (But studying society at large is fucking impossible, so it's more of a gut feeling at this point.) and the latter Ketubot 11b.

 No.663309

>>663197
>pointing out a topic that revolts most of society and is therefore shunned from popular platforms is now 'sperging out'
back in the net

 No.663312


 No.663321

>The evil jew media is inherently untrustworthy because they have a bias against the right wing
>Now here's an article about the five hundred trillion children raped by antifa members from 1488racewarnow.soi, a much more reliable, neutral and unbiased source
>Where's your equivalent evidence against that, huh?
>Also I reject your evidence if it doesn't fit with muh feels, because…
>"studying is impossible so it's more of a 'gut feeling' at this point"

I spend too much of my time around leftists, getting frustrated about minor inconsequential things like differences in opinion about 18th century philosophers. Sometimes I forget just how drooling dumbfuck retarded the other side is. It's like stepping out of a book club and into the daycare next door.

 No.663323

>>663290
>Implying these aren’t buried under a bunch of news itself
>Implying sexual assault isn’t common and underreported in rural areas for obvious reasons
Special pleading is a cope

 No.663384

>>663290
>I think you should understand why I'm so dismissive of the whole ordeal.
>While this whole argument was happening, I remembered a picture that lolifags love to post, presenting the English as kiddie diddlers. I proceeded to go to the Wikipedia article for child rape, and I took statistics of the annual amount of diddled kids per year in the US and the UK. I then proceeded to calculate the population divided by the amount of raped kids to see how prevalent child rape was in both nations.
>In the United States, I found approx. 4500 per raped kid. In the UK, I found approx. 2000 per raped kid, which is considerably worse. So already, the UK has a serious kiddie diddling problem compared to fucking burgerland.
What the fuck does that have to do with the argument? That has nothing to do with any kind of comparison, because this argument didn't forbid you from using examples from the UK. Also, I'd like to see the numbers you used here.
>Now another thing we need to take into account is sensationalism. Operating under the - very likely true - assumption that media outlets have a hate boner for the extreme political right compared to the extreme political left, of fucking course they'd chimp out and announce to everyone that the "Evil nazi is a fuckin nonce get em lads".
>And so, on a fundamental level, I just inherently believe that the samples you're taking are sensationalism at best.
<Very likely
<Assumption
<I just inherently believe
This isn't an argument you faggot. This is you trying to avoid the argument based on nothing but assumption and pure fucking belief. Again, you would never fucking accept this argument from me. If I said "Operating under the assumption that the media has a hate boner for the extreme political left", you'd be here throwing out "copes" all thread long.
>Now, if we are to assume that the political right is inherently more likely to be kiddie diddlers, then I need to ask this question: Why aren't we hearing horror stories of KKK members raping their daughters in-mass? Surely if the political right is kiddiediddler central, than it's safe to assume that far-right groups in particularly the deep South would be exposed as massive child rape rings, with news stories everywhere talking about how the KKK would fuck eachothers neices in the backwoods of Alabama, after one of them left for a coastal city seeking refuge with a dollop of sympathy from literally everyone, which lead to her taking full advantage of the #MeToo movement to expose those far right groups as what you say they are; child rape rings.
Except there fucking was you retard. Did you even bother to look up any of the fucking names I presented to you? August Kreis. You know, now former leader of the Aryan Nation and member of the KKK? Hell, the Atlanta Child murders aren't even an unknown thing either.
>If you can prove that happened, then I definitely won't change my beliefs, but you've informed me that there's a serious need of a fuckin purge within our group, which I can thank you for.
Two faced faggot.
>I just think you guys are pedophiles by association because you like gays and jews, former of which I can say "muh studies" (But studying society at large is fucking impossible, so it's more of a gut feeling at this point.) and the latter Ketubot 11b.
You can't use your "gut feeling" in an argument which has relied on proof to make claims, and there is no reason I see for me to take issue with non-pedophile gays or Jews. Also, Ketubot 11b to my knowledge has nothing to do with permitting pedophilia, but deals with the legal technicalities regarding virginity, dowries, and contracts. In this case, whether somebody who was raped when they were exceptionally young is still technically a virgin when they marry later on. The Talmud is a record of Rabbis engaging in dumb legal debates over whatever question is asked them, and is not something even strictly followed, but is rather used for reference to make arguments for or against something. And before the question gets asked:
<How do you know that, lol are you a Jew?
No, I was just raised devoutly Catholic, to the point of getting involved in reading about older texts. The Talmud is literally just a record of a bunch of Rabbis throughout the ages rules lawyering religious law, its not actually a core religious text that must be followed, because you couldn't even if you wanted to given each part having different Rabbis contradicting each other. That's how you get the whole "strings between buildings" shit during Sabbath.

 No.663442

>>663323
>buried under a bunch of news
Do you not understand how much of a godsend it would be if one lady exposed the evil KKK rape ring? Are you that delusional not to realize how much fucking money a craze over a demonized group in the US being exposed as fucking evil would be?
>>663384
>What the fuck does that have to do with the argument?
Nonces are more common in the UK, so news reporting on them - and therefore news displaying their political beliefs in the case that they're apart of a group that looks bad - is more common. Simple logic.
>Also, I'd like to see the numbers you used here.
can you read
>This isn't an argument you faggot.
i don't care
>August Kreis
One guy
>You can't use your "gut feeling" in an argument which has relied on proof to make claims, and there is no reason I see for me to take issue with non-pedophile gays or Jews.
Yes I can retard.
>Also, Ketubot 11b to my knowledge has nothing to do with permitting pedophilia, but deals with the legal technicalities regarding virginity, dowries, and contracts. In this case, whether somebody who was raped when they were exceptionally young is still technically a virgin when they marry later on.
Fair point. But this is coming from a people who 1. believe god told them to chop off their penises at birth, and 2. think that after the dick mutilation occurs, a religious leader must then suck the mutilated penis bits from the infant's penis. That's fucked up. And also a bunch of other shit

 No.663446

>>663442
>Do you not understand how much of a godsend
<Pleading the case to be true based upon yet unproved assumptions
Cope harder

 No.663464

>>663446
me ne frego

 No.663473

>>663464
>me ne frego

 No.663479

>>663473
What? You think that your limp-wristed, fag loving, childless, no friends no family, disappointment, pseudo-intellectual, either third world or white as all hell in a suburb ass can throw hands with me? I ain't no fuckin Mike Tyson or whateverthefuck, but I really doubt that you'd do anything to me in a fight. I could just kick your ass.
I may worship people that lost, but they lost against the whole world while they kept swinging to the end.
You worship people that lost while they controlled half the world, and ended up just taking it up the ass with no issue in the end.

 No.663483

>>663479
Purposely setting out on a suicidal war isn't brave or noble faggot, it's just suicide.

 No.663487

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>>663483
you don't say

 No.663491

>>663487
Derp, there's a difference between defending from invasion and being the country setting out to invade everyone.

 No.663492

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>>663487
Also the war clearly wasn't unwinnable for the USSR since they won lol

 No.663493

>>663473
Già lo sapevamo. Ma tu sappi, cazzo si successe con “Il Duce”?

 No.663499

>>663492
Doesn't really matter. Where's the USSR? Gone. What about all the other Communist countries? Made into the West's bitch.

 No.663506

>>663442
>Nonces are more common in the UK, so news reporting on them - and therefore news displaying their political beliefs in the case that they're apart of a group that looks bad - is more common. Simple logic.
And that's still not an argument, because once again nothing prevented you from referencing the UK as well for your examples. And you're just adding more unfounded assumptions in regards to what is displayed in order to avoid having to maintain your initial argument.
>can you read
Yes, and I would simply like the numbers you took form the wikipedia page you used. Thats to be expected when you make a claim.
>i don't care
Lol, you sounded so sure at the very beginning, but now you don't care anymore?
>One guy
Leader of the Aryan nation. Dude, the thread detailing every case is literally still in the catalog, I know you can see it.
>Yes I can retard
If you are trying to make a proper argument, no you can't.
>Fair point. But this is coming from a people who 1. believe god told them to chop off their penises at birth, and 2. think that after the dick mutilation occurs, a religious leader must then suck the mutilated penis bits from the infant's penis. That's fucked up. And also a bunch of other shit
I'm not here to defend Abrahamic religion or the retarded ancient view that blood clots cause decay. That's also only something Ultra Orthodox still do.

 No.663507

>>663499
Obviously the USSR wasn't perfect in any way, our next attempt at socialism should be completely different, however, it lasted for 70 years and improved the lives of hundreds of millions, meanwhile Nazi Germany, Italy, etc lasted for couple decades at most and only succeeded in ruining their own countries and killing tens of millions. Fascism is literally the biggest failed ideology of the 20th century.

 No.663509

>>663506
>not an argument
Holy shit shut the fuck up already. I gave you the counterargument that pedophilia was more common in the UK than other nations, and that it's likely sensationalist shit since their political beliefs were expressed in the headlines.
>Yes, and I would simply like the numbers you took form the wikipedia page you used.
Hey third worlder, what does "I proceeded to go to the Wikipedia article for child rape, and I took statistics of the annual amount of diddled kids per year in the US and the UK" mean?
>but now you don't care anymore?
never have cared. that's why I'm so sure.
>Dude, the thread detailing every case is literally still in the catalog, I know you can see it.
Not bothering to read it. Fuck the Aryan Nation, bunch of faggot wannabe uyghurs.
>If you are trying to make a proper argument, no you can't.
argument this, argument that. How about you take out the garbage without starting an argument
>I'm not here to defend Abrahamic religion or the retarded ancient view that blood clots cause decay. That's also only something Ultra Orthodox still do.
Potato potato. No other religion does shit like that.
>>663507
>failed state
Do you really think that a nation the size of fucking Texas, who was short on oil and all that shit, that fought off the entirety of the world is some sort of "failed state"? What the fuck is an accomplished state then? One that can't win a war without having Pyrrhic victory after Pyrrhic victory? One that can't build a proper fuckin escalator?

 No.663514

>>663479
>>663487
>>663499
Jesus fucking Christ, the cope. The USSR and WW2 wasn't even part of the discussion, but you have to non-sequitor to it apparently when you're on the backfoot. You even degenerated into giving hysterical "internet tough guy" speeches to anons who are just going to laugh at you for it, because you can't do shit you pathetic faggot. You're little rant doesn't even apply to me. I work in welding and production manufacturing, I have a family I love and am happy with, I'm most definitely not considered white by anyone, and 50% of my job is lifting and moving steel stock around shop floor, which I doubt you could do for full workdays every day of the workweek. My arms are forced to stay in shape to at least some degree, I don't get a choice.

 No.663516

>>663509
Well they didn't fight off the whole world because they fucking lost lmao. Their initial victories are meaningless when they had no realistic strategy to win the war, it's not impressive to make completely irrational decisions. I mean if I go up to a bodybuilder and sucker punch him to the ground, then he gets up and puts me in a coma, did I achieve anything? No.

 No.663523

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>>663514
>Jesus fucking Christ, the cope. The USSR and WW2 wasn't even part of the discussion, but you have to non-sequitor to it apparently when you're on the backfoot. You even degenerated into giving hysterical "internet tough guy" speeches to anons who are just going to laugh at you for it, because you can't do shit you pathetic faggot. You're little rant doesn't even apply to me. I work in welding and production manufacturing, I have a family I love and am happy with, I'm most definitely not considered white by anyone, and 50% of my job is lifting and moving steel stock around shop floor, which I doubt you could do for full workdays every day of the workweek. My arms are forced to stay in shape to at least some degree, I don't get a choice.
Literally don't care.
t. roofer
>>663516
>I mean if I go up to a bodybuilder and sucker punch him to the ground, then he gets up and puts me in a coma, did I achieve anything? No.
I'd say you're pretty badass for doing that, especially if the bodybuilder gets his shit kicked in by some fatass a few weeks later.

 No.663527

>>663523
>/pol/yp gets off on being bullied, part 29390185
god just own your own degenerate bullshit and we'd respect you a wee bit more

 No.663529

>>663523
Guess what, at least Stalin didn't shoot himself like a bitch :)

 No.663531

>>663523
>Literally don't care
You're still replying, chinlet

 No.663534

>>663487
>even Australia had more casualties than USA

 No.663535

>>663509
>Holy shit shut the fuck up already. I gave you the counterargument that pedophilia was more common in the UK than other nations, and that it's likely sensationalist shit since their political beliefs were expressed in the headlines
There are plenty of magazines that are more then happy to rag on communists, at no point was the UK closed off to you for you to reference.
>Hey third worlder, what does "I proceeded to go to the Wikipedia article for child rape, and I took statistics of the annual amount of diddled kids per year in the US and the UK" mean?
Yeah, and usually, you state which exact numbers you cited, because it's just as likely you fucked up.
>never have cared. that's why I'm so sure.
Cared enough to come here and start the argument to begin with.
>Not bothering to read it. Fuck the Aryan Nation, bunch of faggot wannabe uyghurs.
The fucking backpedaling.
>argument this, argument that. How about you take out the garbage without starting an argument
I get time off for Christmas, I get all the time to do this now.
>Potato potato. No other religion does shit like that.
Eh, maybe not specifically that, but in regards to things about equally gruesome or backwards? Yes, there are.
>Do you really think that a nation the size of fucking Texas, who was short on oil and all that shit, that fought off the entirety of the world is some sort of "failed state"? What the fuck is an accomplished state then? One that can't win a war without having Pyrrhic victory after Pyrrhic victory? One that can't build a proper fuckin escalator?
What the duck are you talking about? Germany by the start of WW2 was gigantic. It was practically the largest state in Western Europe, it didn't fight the world itself you fag. Literally at the very start, it's combined invasion force eclipsed that of the standing army of the USSR. And the raw stats don't lie, the Nazis were fucking over their own people even before the war. It's "recovery" was done in the most neoliberal fashion possible.

 No.663540

>>663523
>t. roofer
Remember, "supervising" roofers ain't the same as doing the roofing yourself.

 No.663541


 No.663543

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>>663499
>What about all the other Communist countries? Made into the West's bitch.

 No.663557

>>663535
>Yeah, and usually, you state which exact numbers you cited, because it's just as likely you fucked up.
Too lazy to go to the actual source so a rough estimate is 23,000 nonces in UK with a pop. of 61 million, 75,000 nonces in the US with a pop. of 330 million.
>The fucking backpedaling.
I never endorsed the Aryan Nation and just decided to express my dislike to them when it was convenient to me lol
>Eh, maybe not specifically that, but in regards to things about equally gruesome or backwards? Yes, there are.
Which ones are as fucked up as that?
>What the duck are you talking about? Germany by the start of WW2 was gigantic. It was practically the largest state in Western Europe, it didn't fight the world itself you fag. Literally at the very start, it's combined invasion force eclipsed that of the standing army of the USSR. And the raw stats don't lie, the Nazis were fucking over their own people even before the war. It's "recovery" was done in the most neoliberal fashion possible.
The states being pic you attached?
>>663540
I'm a grunt

 No.663558

Free speech has never existed.

The free speech those to the right of us support is the right to criticize anyone on the right of them

 No.663565

>>663557
>Too lazy to go to the actual source so a rough estimate is 23,000 nonces in UK with a pop. of 61 million, 75,000 nonces in the US with a pop. of 330 million.
I'll have to go into that later myself, but until then, I'll take it.
>I never endorsed the Aryan Nation and just decided to express my dislike to them when it was convenient to me lol
Backpedaling in regards to what the example needed to be you fag. The question was never about whether you liked them in the first place.
>Which ones are as fucked up as that?
Religions that also do genital mutilation (but for woman), sacrifice, etc.
>The states being pic you attached?
The pics I attached were stats for Nazi Germany.

 No.663654

>>662062
This thread shows that to be a lie. At best we have you, who treat it like an add. The common view is the complete disregard, for the simple reason that communists are neither censored or represssed in the West

 No.663657

>>663654
>Who treat it like an add
What was that, Mr ESL?

 No.663659

>>663654
>The common view is the complete disregard,
Because "free speech" doesn't exist in the first place.
>for the simple reason that communists are neither censored or represssed in the West
Lol, we just had a whole thread regarding this you fag. Communism got so fucking repressed post cold war that there isn't even a marginally left wing party to even speak of in the states. It's just treated as dead, save for a few.

 No.663671

>>663659
>Because "free speech" doesn't exist in the first place.
Spoken from a position of privilege by someone who never has to deal with anything.

>Communism got so fucking repressed post cold war that there isn't even a marginally left wing party

Cope, barring the ruling party of an imploded system is hardly the set back you make it out to be. No-one was, and the ideology was neither legally or functionally repressed in any manner. Compare denying the holocaust to denying the holodomor, the first one can get you jailed from 5 to 10 years, while latter might make you a youtube millionaire if you make a good presentation

 No.663678

>>663671
>Thinks that the Hololodomor has the documented historical consensus of the holocaust and isn’t Nazi Propaganda in itself
>Bitches about the “privilege” of free speech, wants to suppress or liquidate communists
Someone is assmad

 No.663681

>>663678
Your free speech has not been infringed because a political party in Poland was barred 20 years ago, after a corrupt system imploded.

 No.663686

>>663681
>Your free speech has not been barred because an imploding party in germany was barred 76 years ago, after a corrupt system imploded

 No.663690

>>663686
The distinction, is actually, in that I can point to the behaviour of the current regimes across the West to make a salient case, you cannot.

 No.663692

>>663690
>Help, I’m being suppressed because my adherents just can’t stop shooting up churches and synagogues
You people are the biggest threat to your own movement

Just as an aside, I love the whole “check your privilege” moment. Do you think you are anything other than a spicy liberal?

 No.663693

>>663671
>Spoken from a position of privilege by someone who never has to deal with anything.
>implying unprivileged people must have freezed peaches
>>663681
>Your free speech has not been infringed because a political party in Poland was barred 20 years ago, after a corrupt system imploded.
cope and seethe nazoid

 No.663705

>>663692
>>663693
If any of this was the case, communists would be deplatformed for the mass shootings they have committed at bars and immigration centers. In the case of the Dayton shooting, the story was quickly dropped and his ties to communist orgs scrubbed.

 No.663711

>>663705
proof?

 No.663720

>>663705
Please prove these people were communists or that any communist group supported them

 No.663727

>>663711
>>663720
The Dayton shooter had all that stuff over his facebook page. As for support, linking to people gloating on social media would be dismissed here

 No.663728

my posts are the best posts in this thread

 No.663729

>>663727
>He had it all over his facebook page
<No proof posted
>People will dismiss gloating on social media
<Implying this isn’t the position of a mentally sound human being
I thank you for your concession

 No.663732


 No.663749

>>662062
You're clearly in the minority, lol
>>663728
>>663732

 No.663750

>>663671
>Spoken from a position of privilege by someone who never has to deal with anything.
I've had to deal with a lot, but I don't get why you're disagreeing with this statement. You should be agreeing with it if anything, especially if we're to take your beliefs as legitimate.
>Cope, barring the ruling party of an imploded system is hardly the set back you make it out to be.
That's a pretty fucking massive setback.
>No-one was, and the ideology was neither legally or functionally repressed in any manner.
Except it was and is. It's literally on the law books.
>Compare denying the holocaust to denying the holodomor, the first one can get you jailed from 5 to 10 years, while latter might make you a youtube millionaire if you make a good presentation
I know of no one who has been made a YouTube millionaire for denying the holodomor, and in the states, simply denying the holocaust won't get you jailed at all. Separately though, the issue with the holodomor in regards to a comparison is that there exists literally no proof to it. The holodomor claim relies on the famine being deliberate, and there exists absolutely nothing in either the Soviet archives or any legitimate written account that proves this.
>>663681
>Your free speech has not been infringed because a political party in Poland was barred 20 years ago, after a corrupt system imploded.
Barred in plenty of eastern European states other then Poland, and recently as well.
>>663705
>If any of this was the case, communists would be deplatformed for the mass shootings they have committed at bars and immigration centers. In the case of the Dayton shooting, the story was quickly dropped and his ties to communist orgs scrubbed.
Never happened, and you don't even have proof for it happening. Are we going to do this again? Where you make a claim without proof, we respond with arguments that have proof, and then you hysterically rant about how you don't need proof to begin with?

 No.663754

>>645093
Free speech means you can blabber about whatever you want as long as you don't act on it. Marketplace of ideas!

 No.663755

>>663750
>Except it was and is. It's literally on the law books.
No there isn't

 No.663757

>>663754
>i'm oppressed because terrorism is illegal

 No.663760

>>663757
>i'm terrorized by activity

 No.663761

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>>663755
>He doesn’t know about the anticommunist laws in cuckraine, poland and the baltics

 No.663762

>>663757
okay that's true though if we're talking proles standing up to the everday terrorism of the ruling class

 No.663764

>>663761
he is presumably playing dumb for attention like the cute and valid little whore that he is

 No.663766

>>645153
>maybe we could recognize the tremendous power of on-paper freedoms that are de facto limited by informal inbalances in power.

(Phrased much better than I could)

I feel this topic deserves much more serious investigation, because it touches upon a fact of human psychology that liberalism reveals: people will accept almost any rule over them _as long as_ they have been afforded the freedom to complain about it.

I know Chomsky isn't very current here, but I remember his quote about the US, "If dictators were smarter they'd have our system."

 No.663767

>>663755
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/842
>The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended
This has never been repealed, nor what later follows it.

 No.663768

>>663761
You already mentioned the barring of USSRs puppet parties, it's trivial

 No.663769

>>663768
>You already mentioned the barring of USSRs puppet parties,
How can they be the "USSRs puppet parties" decades after the USSR is gone?
>it's trivial
How is banning major communist parties trivial?

 No.663770

>>663767
Organizing to overthrow the government is illegal for everyone, everywhere

 No.663774

>>663770
>you have the freedom of assembly
>–no! not like that!
of all the rights of man, the most underutilised is the right to remain silent.

 No.663775

>>663770
>Organizing to overthrow the government is illegal for everyone, everywhere
And yet there are laws specifically outlawing communist party organizing within the confines of the actual government. You said communism was never legally or functially repressed in any manner. That's a lie.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-23/subchapter-IV

 No.663776

>>663774
>>663775
That makes it a toothless publicity stunt by politicians. It's like saying we live under a theocracy because some law in Albama saying church is mandatory after an earth quake. You have several communist parties in the US
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

 No.663777

>>663769
He won’t tell you, because it doesn’t compute for him. Never mind the fact the USSR let these “puppets” do whatever they wanted so long as they didn’t threaten to break the socialist bloc

 No.663778

>>663776
>Not a real ban, bro
Could this tell you something about how communist those communist parties are? Them being allowed to function as they currently exist?

 No.663780

>>663776
>a toothless publicity stunt by politicians
no that's the first ammendment

 No.663787

>>663776
>That makes it a toothless publicity stunt by politicians. It's like saying we live under a theocracy because some law in Albama saying church is mandatory after an earth quake. You have several communist parties in the US
I don't think historically one of the largest cases of arrests and deportations constitutes a simple "publicity stunt". Regardless, the law effectively prevents any party, including the one you just linked, from actually being in government. Literally this year was the first year that the CPUSA ran a candidate in 30 years, and the government could at any time, assuming they actually got enough votes to get into office, remove them from any government position and dissolve the party.

 No.663788

>>663778
Their lack of appeal says nothing about them, nor does it imply that free speech communists is being suppressed

 No.663789

>>663776
>>663787
And the ANP (American Nazi Party) still exists as well, so I fail to see how this is an argument at all for you. By this metric, they aren't suppressed either, because they can still organize together as a "party".

 No.663790

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>>663788
>Thinking this is about a “lack of appeal” and not a question of how communist their ideology or policy platform actually is
I think you’re projecting

 No.663791

>>663787
The deportation of foreign KGB agents 60+ years ago has no bearing to you in any way

 No.663792

>>663788
>nor does it imply that free speech communists is being suppressed
You said they were "neither legally or functionally repressed in any manner". We have proven that they were both legally and functionally suppressed, referencing both law and historical precedent. You're not even just moving the goalposts now, you're just covering your ears and insisting otherwise.

 No.663793

>>663791
Prove that they were KGB agents and that it does not have any relevance

 No.663794

>>663789
I never hung my hat on whether a national socialist party exists or not, but on the actual behaviour of state and oligarchy domestically. Conservatives have a better claim being repressed by the state as they will on occassionhave their rights violated

 No.663796

>>663794
>Muh conservatives and their grifter circuit are being oppressed
And yet you’re here and not getting rectal feeding in a CIA blacksite

 No.663797

>>663791
>The deportation of foreign KGB agents 60+ years ago has no bearing to you in any way
It was the deportation of any migrant who could be proven to hold communist sympathies, and it does have a bearing on the make up of US politics today. Even now, you are asked about any political sysmpathies you may hold, of which communism is included, and can be denied entry for such. Regardless of your goalpost moving though, the point made here is that practically, no government official can be a communist.

 No.663798

>>663793
Why would anyone go on a tangent to indulge you? You're not exactly arguing in good faith

 No.663800

>>663798
>Substantiating your claims is a bad faith tangent
You should get a job at movie theaters, seeing how good you are at projecting

 No.663803

>>663794
>I never hung my hat on whether a national socialist party exists or not, but on the actual behaviour of state and oligarchy domestically.
No, you said "legally and functionally". "Behavior" wise, the US government still undertakes anti-communist action.
>Conservatives have a better claim being repressed by the state as they will on occassionhave their rights violated
Fag, everyone has their "rights" violated. You can hardly name anyone who hasn't. But the "violations" you're likely referencing aren't even violations from a legal standpoint, which is why I still don't get why you're desperate to defend the legitimacy of bourgeoisie "rights" when it's determined at any moment by a pen to a paper.

 No.663804

>>663796
>And yet you’re here and not getting rectal feeding in a CIA blacksite
Neither are you, or any communist terrorist. Look at the Weather underground, barely a night spent in prison

 No.663805

>>663798
>You're not exactly arguing in good faith
uyghur, have you even read you're own arguments? All you've done is move goalposts and reject the use of evidence, and then earlier try and accuse us of lacking such.

 No.663807

>>663804
>Neither are you, or any communist terrorist. Look at the Weather underground, barely a night spent in prison
Wtf are you talking about? The weather underground got cracked down on hard, especially after the bombings. Even before, when they were just the Weathermen, there were massive arrests.
https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/weather-underground-bombings

 No.663808

>>663804
Prove it

 No.663823

>>663807
There are no references to any arrests or prison terms in the link you put up. Just the FBI saying they did something with nothing to show for it. We could just as well assume they put in investigating these people as they put into pursuing antifa, none

 No.663830

>>663823
>There are no references to any arrests or prison terms in the link you put up. Just the FBI saying they did something with nothing to show for it. We could just as well assume they put in investigating these people as they put into pursuing antifa, none
Who are you trying to convince here? Us, or you? They literally state that arrests happend, and you can literally look up "weather underground arrests" and find them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Boudin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Alice_Clark
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Whitehorn
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions
<October 8–11 – The "Days of Rage" riots occurred in Chicago, damaging a large amount of property. 287 Weatherman members were arrested; some became fugitives when they failed to appear for trial
And "antifa" people were arrested, and have cases that are still ongoing.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/seven-arrested-facing-federal-charges-after-weekend-riots-hatfield-federal-courthouse
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2021-12-06/da-charges-san-diego-los-angeles-antifa-groups-that-violently-countered-p-b-patriot-march

 No.663832

>>663823
>>663830
To give more examples, what the hell do you think they are doing here:
https://vault.fbi.gov/Weather%20Underground%20(Weathermen)
They're just tracking down members globally and placing charges on them for neraly a decade so they can waste time trying to engage in some made up goose chase for the presses? Why not just do nothing at all?

 No.663838

>>663790
That image is pure idealism.

 No.682444

>>663769
If you want to speak that hatred for nazism is entirely natural and isn't born from an active conspiracy against traditionalism, then you should agree that hatred for communism is hated under the same pretense.

 No.682500

>>682444
How about you cease necrobumping dead threads

Polite sage

 No.682724

>>682444
Why? One can be true, and the other false.

 No.682778

>>682724
If you reeeeeally wanna get autistically neutral about the whole argument, Communism and Fascism both have good reason to be hated by your average normie; they both oppose neoliberalism to some degree. Communism opposes the economic aspect, and Fascism opposes the social (Sometimes economic, but always social) aspect of neoliberalism.
As a result, both ideologies go against the vague moralities set out to be "truths" in most normalfag mindsets.

 No.682804

The question is simple:
Would the fascists/rightoids uphold freedom of speech were they to be in control? No they woulddo not.

So until such time when there is no opposition that would take it away, free speech is a privilege one may take pride in protecting or providing. But harboring with no pretensions of neutrality because the enemy would not return that favor.

 No.682814

>>682724
Is "well it's natural!!" really the best argument against fucking fascism you can come up with uygha

 No.682915

>>682778
>they both oppose neoliberalism to some degree
>Fascism opposes the social (Sometimes economic, but always social) aspect of neoliberalism.
Only if you analyze it on a surface level. At their very core though in terms of their substance, they are little different. Also, it's pure liberal autism to separate the social and the economic from each other.
>>682814
No, and I never stated such. I just responded that one thing being possibly true doesn't make the other true as well. You could very well have no "active conspiracy" against one, and yet "active conspiracy" against the other.

 No.682968

>>682915
>Only if you analyze it on a surface level.
That's entirely incorrect, Fascism aims to bring unity through national/ethnic/racial identity, as opposed to Communism, which seeks to do so through economic caste. These two are within opposition to Neoliberalism, which seeks to divide people in general, both on the fronts of economic and social caste. This is achieved through a mostly free market, with policies focusing power towards those who are already in power, alongside identity politics to boil down actual real identities into nothing more than marketing campaigns and political slogans to make them meaningless, and make unifying under them impossible.

 No.682983

>>682968
>>682968
>boil down actual real identities into nothing more than marketing campaigns and political slogans to make them meaningless
this is good tho

 No.683606

>>682968
> Fascism aims to bring unity through national/ethnic/racial identity
<This isn’t superficial

 No.683776

>>682968
>That's entirely incorrect, Fascism aims to bring unity through national/ethnic/racial identity,
Fascism exists only as a stop gap to prevent the wholesale collapse of capitalism and runs entirely counter to the concept of "unity" in any meaningful sense, depending wholly on arbitrarily placing transient things such as nations/ethnicities/"race" against each other in order to obfuscate the actual economic issues at play.
>as opposed to Communism, which seeks to do so through economic caste.
Communism aims to do away with economic caste altogether.
>These two are within opposition to Neoliberalism, which seeks to divide people in general, both on the fronts of economic and social caste.
No, only one is, and that's communism. Fascism and neoliberalism are little different when broken down to their fundamentals.
>This is achieved through a mostly free market, with policies focusing power towards those who are already in power, alongside identity politics to boil down actual real identities into nothing more than marketing campaigns and political slogans to make them meaningless, and make unifying under them impossible.
You just explained fascism as well. Again, they have little difference. Fascism uses identity politics just as much as neoliberalism, but with arguably a heightened spectacle.

 No.683817

>>648530
If your answer is a reference to something 70 years ago, you admit its not a problem today.

 No.683930

>>683606
>it's superficial!
No, it's not. I'm a leaf living in the Sikh colony known as "Edmonton", and most social groups are divided upon ethnic lines. There's no active animosity between our groups; we just keep to ourselves and work with eachother only when needed.
If you are so delusional that you want to deny something as large as the appearance of someone affecting human behaviour, then maybe you shouldn't consider pretending to be an intellectual.
>>683776
>fascism is capitalism in decay!!
Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvvJcZygsUY, I hate doing that but honestly I didn't memorize it but I do remember it being a good rundown of your shitty little motto and entirely shitting on it.
Anyways, the fuck do you mean "capitalism is in decay"? We've been in "late-stage capitalism" since the time of Marx! You guys have continuously pushed the goalposts for what even is capitalism's final stage before it shits itself. Why should anyone listen to you when you claim something is "___ in decay" or whatever?

 No.683975

When most of your Mainstream press is owned by three companies and there are curfews on protests, free speech is a meme used by anglo capitalist countries to virtue signal.

 No.683986

>>683930
>I’m a leaf
Opinion discarded.

 No.683996

>>683986
>tfw your points make so much sense that the leftyfag who cries about /pol/ has to resort to /pol/-tier dismissal
you could just say the Sikh bit is an anecdote, but no, you're too asshurt for that.
I would recommend you some cream to help with your butthurt, but I never need it. Besides, you probably have a lifetime supply of that shit.

 No.684004

>>683996
I’m just lazy, not asshurt.
There’s a difference.
>you could have just said it was an anecdote
See? I don’t even need to do much. You already know that post amounts to a shitpost.

 No.684017

>>683930
>No, it's not. I'm a leaf living in the Sikh colony known as "Edmonton", and most social groups are divided upon ethnic lines. There's no active animosity between our groups; we just keep to ourselves and work with eachother only when needed.
And? It's still superficial.
>If you are so delusional that you want to deny something as large as the appearance of someone affecting human behaviour, then maybe you shouldn't consider pretending to be an intellectual.
NTA, but it's delusional to give such importance to it in the first place.
>Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvvJcZygsUY, I hate doing that but honestly I didn't memorize it but I do remember it being a good rundown of your shitty little motto and entirely shitting on it.
Watched it, it's retarded "third postionist" nonsense. Fascism is capitalism in decay because it's quite literally a defense of the capitalism itself while it is in a state of collapse, an attempt to create a stopgap measure that preserves the bourgeoisie in some context so they can inevitably attempt to rebuild proper. That's all fascism has ever been.
>Anyways, the fuck do you mean "capitalism is in decay"? We've been in "late-stage capitalism" since the time of Marx!
And? Doesn't stop it from being in decay. That's the reality of the falling rate of profit.
>You guys have continuously pushed the goalposts for what even is capitalism's final stage before it shits itself.
Late stage isn't the same as final stage. Late stage as a term just refers to the reality that our stage of capitalism is the latest one and is already far removed from early capitalism.
>Why should anyone listen to you when you claim something is "___ in decay" or whatever?
Because we have the actual economic and historical analysis to back it up. Our statements aren't based on some vauge moralism about decay, but the actual fundamental breakdown of the mechanisms of capitalism itself.
<B-but you just don't get third positionism wahhh
Used to be immersed in the far right. None of you get it, because you're too engrossed in the enjoyment and the feeling of perverse self-indulgence you get from your delusions that you refuse to look at both the fundamental make-up of the system and the larger picture of it. Captialism is a global system, encapsulating a vast network of economic nodes which permits it to both perpetuate and reify itself. It has superceded the confines of "nation" or "state", and the use of racial or ethnic politics exists purely as either a way to preserve it when it on the backfoot, or as merely a part for global politics itself. And with that reality of economic domination, comes the reality that the only system capable of superseding such a system, superceding a global and totalizing system, is a system which is inherently global in of itself. A system which on a core fundamental level aims to surpass the very mechanisms of capitalism itself. Fascism, by it's very framework, cannot be that system. No "third postionist" system can be that system. Only communism, by it's very definition, can be that system, because it is at its core goes past and does away with the mechanisms of capitalism itself. "Third postionism" is a failure at it's most base level, while communism is the only solution by absolute necessity.

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>>684017
>race isn't important
It is. There's been study after study showing that more ethnically diverse communities are generally worse than their non-diverse counterparts. And this doesn't even have to do with economic factors; even the most broke-ass ethnically homogenous communities find themselves better off than their diverse counterparts. See http://www.citylab.com/housing/2013/11/paradox-diverse-communities/7614/, http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/4/282.full, http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/4/282.full, http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/4/282.full, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract, http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/?page=full, http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2012.300787, http://curis.ku.dk/ws/files/130251172/Dinesen_S_nderskov_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Social_Trust_Forthcoming_ASR.pdf#page=2, https://www.msu.edu/~zpneal/publications/neal-diversitysoc.pdf.
>Watched it, it's retarded "third postionist" nonsense. Fascism is capitalism in decay because it's quite literally a defense of the capitalism itself while it is in a state of collapse, an attempt to create a stopgap measure that preserves the bourgeoisie in some context so they can inevitably attempt to rebuild proper. That's all fascism has ever been.
I'd appreciate it if you transcribe the points made within the video (With timecodes, pls) and then proceed to disprove them, Thanks in advance.
>Captialism is a global system, encapsulating a vast network of economic nodes which permits it to both perpetuate and reify itself. It has superceded the confines of "nation" or "state", and the use of racial or ethnic politics exists purely as either a way to preserve it when it on the backfoot, or as merely a part for global politics itself.
Hence why Fascism aims to be rather isolationist. At it's most preservative towards Capitalism Fascist economies aim for autarky; that being self-sufficiency. Hitler's Germany aimed to create trade with very few countries, particularly those within the German sphere of influence, as described in Hans-Joachim Braun's writings on the Nazi German economy found in "The German Economy in the Twentieth Century".

 No.684175

>>684113
>Can’t explain why the social phenomenon occurs in a society that historically and currently enshrines it
>Thinks that fascists actually practice what they preach
Weak

 No.684179

>>684175
>social phenomenon
tf you talkin about

 No.684185

>>684179
Race, what are YOU talking about?

 No.684189

>>684113
>It is. There's been study after study showing that more ethnically diverse communities are generally worse than their non-diverse counterparts. And this doesn't even have to do with economic factors; even the most broke-ass ethnically homogenous communities find themselves better off than their diverse counterparts.
There has been study after study showing that its been overstated. Linking more studies, many of which are literally just low effort news articles, is not the same as the sources in question having actual integrity.
>I'd appreciate it if you transcribe the points made within the video (With timecodes, pls) and then proceed to disprove them, Thanks in advance.
So you can respond with another video in less then a minute, and then I have to spend the time responding to each individual point once again? The whole video starts and ends with the dishonest premise that accusations relating to state capitalism are improper because somehow both fascism and Marxist Leninist states are comparable, for no other reason then there existing certain market forces. But this misses the point, which is that the revolutionary state of the soviets aimed to supercede the birthmarks of capitalism that they inhereted over time, while fascism accepted what was inherently a capitalist system as an preferred and eternal state of things. Lenin himself was clear that their use of referring to their state as socialist was to make it clear that their state carried on the cause and aims of such, and even Marx and Engels understood communism required development.
>Hence why Fascism aims to be rather isolationist.
Which is why it fails. Again, you don't get it.
>At it's most preservative towards Capitalism Fascist economies aim for autarky; that being self-sufficiency.
Which fails, excuse it simply cannot match up to global capitalism. You cannot trap capitalism in a bottle, it will lurch to escape out of pure necessity, and the system will shape itself to accommodate such.
>Hitler's Germany aimed to create trade with very few countries, particularly those within the German sphere of influence, as described in Hans-Joachim Braun's writings on the Nazi German economy found in "The German Economy in the Twentieth Century".
Hitler crippled his own inherited "autarky" which he received from the already completed or progressing projects of the Weimar republic. When the Nazis took control, the Weimar republic had already instituted agricultural programs which had created relative "autarky" for Germany, and bulit up a grian reserve for the country. Not even a few years in, this was crippled, and the German government had to import large quantities of grain from other countries, one of which was the USSR. The very reality of attempting to grow it's own capitalist industries had autarky already being sacrificed as industry took priority.

 No.684195

>>684113
>>684189
And before you kvetch about simply dismissing the links, we already discussed this before.
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/9054.html

 No.684212

>>684189
Great points, but I also must add that Spanish autarky by Franco also failed miserably

 No.684450

>>684185
>why is race important in a society that enshrines it
>because it's important to human psychology on a fundamental level
>but why is race important in society
repeat ad infinitum. Don't beg the question here. Race is important because it's fundamental to the psychology of an intelligent social animal. That's why it's enshrined in every single culture on earth. Are you gonna sit here and just keep going "y" like a 6 year old when I explained something in a crystal-clear manner to you?
>There has been study after study showing that its been overstated. Linking more studies, many of which are literally just low effort news articles, is not the same as the sources in question having actual integrity.
I'd say the simple fact that people naturally want to segregate, as seen in cities and cultures and community meet-ups, and my own personal experiences and therefore the experiences which are shared by millions of others all add together to create a very damning case against ethnic diversity being even neutral for the well-being of a greater society.
>So you can respond with another video in less then a minute, and then I have to spend the time responding to each individual point once again?
Well first, ya big bozoid, I made it clear I hate posting videos or even literature and just leaving as if I won. It fuckin sucks to deal with.
>the revolutionary state of the soviets aimed to supercede the birthmarks of capitalism that they inhereted over time, while fascism accepted what was inherently a capitalist system as an preferred and eternal state of things.
And look what happened. The soviets ended up collapsing, not even from war like Fascism did; but rather simply from internal struggles. The only surviving Communist nations are the ones who bent over and took the full might of Porky's pecker up the cornhole. China is now likely the biggest economy in the world, at the cost of almost 1 billion (Supposedly, it's the fuckin Chinese. I seen a video of a chinese escalator with a functioning emergency stop and I was amazed, so keep in mind China has a real low standard for quality.) workers' rights and freedoms. They have suffer and toil away for the success of the nation state, all in the name of making bank off of exports. That is what Fascism aims to oppose.
>Which is why it fails. Again, you don't get it.
So your telling me the only successful economies are the ones that, rather than focusing on their own success, must suck-up at worst and at best exploit others? This, along many other lines, is why I make no distinction between Communists and Capitalists. You've already expressed that Capitalism is inherently a global system, but now you're confirming Communism is equally a global system. Both of these require the exploitation of one state, and the benefit of another state. Sometimes (Most, actually) the exploiter/exploited dichotomy bleeds into the internal structure of the state itself, leading to your ever-so-hated Class Struggle. You have successfully created an ouroboros of ideology, you replace one tyrant who rules in the name of money with another. Fuck off.

 No.684489

>>684450
>explained in a crystal clear manner.
Not that anon, but you didnt.
You’re just begging the question as to why its supposedly essential to peoples psychology.

 No.684501

>>684450
> Both of these require the exploitation of one state, and the benefit of another state.
Define what you think Marxist mean by exploitation.

 No.684588

Black people naturally want to live in dilapidated ghettos. History totally has zero impact on them.

 No.684621

>>684450
>repeat ad infinitum. Don't beg the question here. Race is important because it's fundamental to the psychology of an intelligent social animal. That's why it's enshrined in every single culture on earth.
Proof? I can reference ancestry, but "race"? That's a pretty modern thing. Even then, it's still transient, and you can't show it to be fundamental in any respect.
>Are you gonna sit here and just keep going "y" like a 6 year old when I explained something in a crystal-clear manner to you?
But you didn't.
>I'd say the simple fact that people naturally want to segregate, as seen in cities and cultures and community meet-ups,
And you can people who don't segregate as well. "Natural segregation" seems more often to be a case of language and culture then "race".
>and my own personal experiences and therefore the experiences which are shared by millions of others all add together to create a very damning case against ethnic diversity being even neutral for the well-being of a greater society
If we're going to start bringing up "personal experiences" as proof of the experiences of "millions", I may as well bring up mine as a counter, which is going to trade school in a well diverse place and people having no race based issues.
>Well first, ya big bozoid, I made it clear I hate posting videos or even literature and just leaving as if I won. It fuckin sucks to deal with
And yet you fucking did it. You saying you hate it doesn't change that.
>And look what happened. The soviets ended up collapsing, not even from war like Fascism did; but rather simply from internal struggles.
Well, it did suffer from the stresses imposed upon it by the wars and conflicts it was involved in, it would be dishonest it say differently. Regardless, I concede that the USSR had internal issues, but these are issues which are entirely addressable, I like the issues of fascism which inevitably only lead to suicide and rot. The USSR failed to continually progress in it's central planning and the voracious and collaborative expansion of socialism abroad to counter the the new global capitalist front, and fell because of it. These issues are however not fundamental to socialism, and can be dealt with in any future iteration. The issues of fascism are fundamental to it however.
>The only surviving Communist nations are the ones who bent over and took the full might of Porky's pecker up the cornhole.
There are other nations besides China.
>China is now likely the biggest economy in the world, at the cost of almost 1 billion (Supposedly, it's the fuckin Chinese.
1 billion what?
>I seen a video of a chinese escalator with a functioning emergency stop and I was amazed, so keep in mind China has a real low standard for quality.) workers' rights and freedoms. They have suffer and toil away for the success of the nation state, all in the name of making bank off of exports.

>That is what Fascism aims to oppose.

No, it doesn't. Literally the first thing most fascist states did what remove all existing trade unions, liquidate all small enterprise and move the capital to the largest existing bourgeoisie, assist in forcefully suppressing the wages of the workers of said companies, and engage in vast industrial exports.
>So your telling me the only successful economies are the ones that, rather than focusing on their own success, must suck-up at worst and at best exploit others?
No, I'm saying the ones that will dominate in the long run are those with global aspirations. Those who delude themselves with the idea of a purely "national" capitalism are those which condemn themselves to either inevitable capitulation, to perpetual asphyxiation and isolation, or to obliteration to stronger emergent capitalism.
>This, along many other lines, is why I make no distinction between Communists and Capitalists.
Too bad, because there fundamentally is. You being terrified to recognize the realities of power doesn't suddenly make everyone who does the same.
>You've already expressed that Capitalism is inherently a global system, but now you're confirming Communism is equally a global system.
Yes, because that's the reality of it. You want to fight a national army? You build a national army. You want to fight a totalizing global system? You supercede it with a global system.
>Both of these require the exploitation of one state, and the benefit of another state. Sometimes (Most, actually) the exploiter/exploited dichotomy bleeds into the internal structure of the state itself, leading to your ever-so-hated Class Struggle.
That't not what exploitation means. Exploitation doesn't mean whenever you feel bad over a situation, or when something is taken from you. "Exploitation" has to do with the actual observable economic process of the capitalist literally "exploitating" the actual labour power of the proletariat to produce excess surplus labour time beyond that of the necessary in order to facilitate commodity production and the perpetuation of the enterprise overall.
>You have successfully created an ouroboros of ideology, you replace one tyrant who rules in the name of money with another. Fuck off
That's not an ouroboros, domination of ones opposition is just the reality of politics. Politics is fundamentally coercive and violent, and while we reject the very notion of "ruling in the name of money", we very much understand that the proletariat must itself be a "tyrant" and wholly embrace power in order to dominate, displace, and obliterate the class which dominates it. It can either do this and succeed in it's conflict against the bourgeoisie, or allow the system overall to fall into mutual ruin. There is no other choice, it's just that the proletariat has itself the unique chance to do away with class systems entirely due to its specific position in the mechanisms of production.

 No.684634

>>684621
*dishonest to say differently.
*unlike the issues of fascism

 No.684795

>>684621
>people are seperated by their cultures and language differences
>this has nothing to do with "race"
>or genetics
leftypoof…

 No.684801

>>684795
>this has nothing to do with "race"
>or genetics
Yes. Unless you think the Balkans are made up of different "races".

 No.686192

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>>684621
Jesus Christ. Let me go and dump more fuckin studies on the validity of race, such as http://pritchardlab.stanford.edu/publications/pdfs/RosenbergEtAl02.pdf, http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15625622, http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-oral-bacteria-fingerprint-mouth.html, http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race2.pdf, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1317879/, http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297%2807%2960574-6, http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695787, and on the validity of ethnocentrism - that that translating to this whole argument that communities should be monoethnic: http://www.pnas.org/content/108/4/1262.abstract, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-7687.2012.01138.x/full, http://www-personal.umich.edu/~axe/research/AxHamm_Ethno.pdf, http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456276, http://www.psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Genetic%20Similarity%201989.pdf.
>And you can people who don't segregate as well.
pardon me
>people having no race based issues.
That's the same thing here. There's very little actual hatred between the races here. I'm stating that we generally keep to ourselves in racial categories, not that we're on the fucking brink of a race war, you jackass.
>The USSR failed to continually progress in it's central planning and the voracious and collaborative expansion of socialism abroad to counter the the new global capitalist front, and fell because of it.
And why did it fail to progress, again?
>These issues are however not fundamental to socialism, and can be dealt with in any future iteration.
And have they been dealt with on the scale of the USSR without falling into the Capitalist trapping that the "People's" "Republic" of "China" found themselves in?
>There are other nations besides China.
Like all of the other nations that you find on cheap goods that were prdouced in a factory? Besides Bangladesh, they're pretty cool.
>engage in vast industrial exports.
literally retarded I just told you that didn't happen and provided mild amounts of proofs, please kill yourself.
>Exploitation doesn't mean whenever you feel bad over a situation, or when something is taken from you.
>exploitation doesn't mean exploitation

 No.686202

Гей ниггер вегот

 No.686203

>>686202
Отъебись

 No.687254

File: 1641937191539.pdf (713.98 KB, 173x255, BuchheimScherner06(1).pdf)

>>686192
>Jesus Christ. Let me go and dump more fuckin studies on the validity of race, such
You know how I know you just dump sources without checking any of them, or having read any of them? Half of these don't link to anything, and some are from discredited charletens like Michael Woodley. The Oxytocin study doesn't even say anything about the "validity of ethnocentrism", its just that the chemical is used when processing in-group bias, and that it has a role when humans engage in conflict. The test the study uses also has nothing within it that actually deals with ethnicity, it only designates the sacrificed outsider as either in-group or out-group, with the person doing the study sees as similar to ethnocentrism. The face study is something addressed in the thread I linked, as are others, but it literally says that at 5-months, they "distinguished faces within their own race and within another race", while it was only at 9-months where this changed. And for the modeling study, this merits reading https://www.jasss.org/16/3/2.html.
>pardon me
And you can find people who don't segregate as well.
>That's the same thing here. There's very little actual hatred between the races here.
Just want to note that you can't use studies which model "ethnocentrism" as actively working for the "in-group" to the detriment of the out group, and then also have it used like this.
>I'm stating that we generally keep to ourselves in racial categories, not that we're on the fucking brink of a race war, you jackass.
I'm also referring to "racial self-segregation" you fag. "Racial" catagories are an arbitrary modern contruct to begin with. Ancestry and language isn't, but "race" is.
>And why did it fail to progress, again?
Skepticism in regards to cybernetic planning and a complacency towards the further perpetuation of conflict due to the absurd idea of "peaceful coexistence" with the west.
>And have they been dealt with on the scale of the USSR without falling into the Capitalist trapping that the "People's" "Republic" of "China" found themselves in?
There were plans to, and what records we have show that the USSR really only needed around 4000 computers (which is trivial for today, and they would likely need less due to advancements in computing overall) to plan their economy even by their then current methods.
>Like all of the other nations that you find on cheap goods that were prdouced in a factory? Besides Bangladesh, they're pretty cool.
They still need to survive in a world devoid of the USSR. And no, unless you can find me evidence of the thriving Cuban sneaker market.
>literally retarded I just told you that didn't happen and provided mild amounts of proofs, please kill yourself
Except it fucking did you retard. What, do you think the massive foreign investment that went into Nazi Germany resulted in companies that just shipped their goods domestically?
<Thus, de Wendel, a coal mining enterprise, refused to build a hydrogenation plant in 1937.50 In spring 1939 IG Farben declined a request by the Economics Ministry to enlarge its production of rayon for the use in tires.51 It also was not prepared to invest a substantial amount in a third Buna (synthetic rubber) factory in Ftirstenberg/Oder, although this
was a project of high urgency for the regime.52 Another interesting example is the one of Froriep GmbH, a firm producing machines for the armaments and autarky-related industries, which also found a ready market abroad. In the second half of the 1930s the demand for the former purposes was so high that exports threatened to be totally crowded out. Therefore the company planned a capacity enlargement, but asked the Reich to share the risk by giving a subsidized credit and permitting exceptional depreciation to reduce its tax load. When the latter demand was not accepted at first, the firm reacted by refusing to invest. ==In the end the state fully surrendered to the requests of the firm.53
Source is attached.
>exploitation doesn't mean exploitation
We're talking about "exploitation" in the context of classical economics and Marxism, not whatever modern conception of it that you try to insert into Marx, and by extension classical economics as a whole.

 No.687269

>>686192
>>687254
I just realized going throught the studies again that you used Neven Sesardić as well. Wtf, did you just copy this from somewhere to try and gish gallop me with it. Did you even look up who wrote some of these? And again, many of these don't even have to do with race, but just the existence of ancestry in general, which I took no issue with.

 No.687355

>>687269
>muh studies invalid
More or less using them as a way to get you to pipe down about something that I find to be an undeniable truth, a truth in which I live every single day. It's like telling me while I'm on fire that nothing is happening to me. Call it "dishonest" or some shit, but I just see you as a liar.
>And you can find people who don't segregate as well.
I know. People who aren't retarded call them "exceptions". Every friend group I've observed does have the occasional out-racial member, but it's not a completely even or even proportional split.
>Just want to note that you can't use studies which model "ethnocentrism" as actively working for the "in-group" to the detriment of the out group, and then also have it used like this.
Well firstly, why bring this up if the studies I diarrhea'd out are invalid? No point to entertain them further. Secondly, I see that as the most extreme conclusion of ethnocentrism, which I personally think is something that we can and should limit. We're humans, and we're more than capable of brushing aside our primal instincts for our own and even other's benefit, but at the same time, it's important for us to act within our limits most of the time, because pushing people entirely out of their nature is harmful in the long run.
>"Racial" catagories are an arbitrary modern contruct to begin with. Ancestry and language isn't, but "race" is.
So what you're trying to tell me is that, firstly the things that are commonly used to determine race cannot be used to determine race? What? Race is using ancestry, language, culture, etc. to create a broad category of someone. I think you're seeing it far too simply, brushing "race" aside as simple skintone. It's way more complicated than that. I may be a Nazi, but I know various different cultures and their customs and how their similar and different to them.
>There were plans to
lole
>They still need to survive in a world devoid of the USSR.
And so now you're telling me the socialist economies were entirely reliant on one massive nation that found itself being a war-mongerer? It's probably applicable to the US and all the third-world (But non-industrial nations) countries, and probably applicable to fascist nations too. In spite of that, we can likely all agree that constant dependence on a massive state is not a good economy.
>that formatted copypasta
Either way, that's two examples, and from what I can tell from reformatting your shitty copy and paste into gedit, the government eventually said "fine, we need the rubber so here's some money that you need to use." Which they did. Fucking christ.

 No.687421

>>687355
>More or less using them as a way to get you to pipe down about something that I find to be an undeniable truth, a truth in which I live every single day. It's like telling me while I'm on fire that nothing is happening to me. Call it "dishonest" or some shit, but I just see you as a liar.
uyghur, what level of cognitive dissonance are you on that has you dishonestly using sources you haven't even read to try to gish gallop me, while also trying to call me the liar? Your "undeniable" truth is as easily deniable as having an another anecdote to counter it. Because that's all you have, an anecdote.
>I know. People who aren't retarded call them "exceptions". Every friend group I've observed does have the occasional out-racial member, but it's not a completely even or even proportional split.
Most people don't live in ethnic enclaves you fag. And nothing is going to be "proportional" when you have a smattering of "minority" populations and one "majority" one. You're not going to have an "even amount" simply due to the size of populations in areas in the first place.
>Well firstly, why bring this up if the studies I diarrhea'd out are invalid? No point to entertain them further
To make a point that you didn't even read them.
>Secondly, I see that as the most extreme conclusion of ethnocentrism, which I personally think is something that we can and should limit. We're humans, and we're more than capable of brushing aside our primal instincts for our own and even other's benefit, but at the same time, it's important for us to act within our limits most of the time, because pushing people entirely out of their nature is harmful in the long run
Define "nature" you idiot. Because literally anything we do is on our "nature", we would be incapable otherwise. It's in my "nature" to not be ethnocentric. It's also in my "nature" to be against it in general. And how can you say we should be willing to brush aside our "primal instincts", and then gleefully rush at the first chance possible to literally enforce it?
>So what you're trying to tell me is that, firstly the things that are commonly used to determine race cannot be used to determine race? What? Race is using ancestry, language, culture, etc. to create a broad category of someone.
That's not what race is. When somebody looks at a person in, say, the United States, and decide to catagorize someone based on that countries racial catagories, they are not doing so based on "ancestry, language, culture, etc.". They are purely operating on the observable phenotypical characteristics of the person, that's is all. Ancestry, and even ethnicity, are not "race".
>I think you're seeing it far too simply, brushing "race" aside as simple skintone. It's way more complicated than that. I may be a Nazi, but I know various different cultures and their customs and how their similar and different to them.
Again, then you have no fucking idea what "race" is. Race isn't genetic ancestry or the grouping of haplogroups or whatever, it is simply an arbitrary social construct based almost entirely on phenotypical characteristics.
>lol
Even the CIA states this.
>And so now you're telling me the socialist economies were entirely reliant on one massive nation that found itself being a war-mongerer?
Yes, because it was the primary center of the revolution and the exporter of it. It was by far the most developed communist state of it's time, and many of the other communist states we are discussing were still in their relative infancy, were completely isolated from the larger economy, and were on need of connecting to a larger alternative economic network to develop separate from the global capitalist one. Also,
>Warmonger
What does this even mean? The USSR defended more states then it went to war with, and if anything I'm the one arguing that it was too lenient and should have actually been aggressive in the perpetuation of wars in it's favor. It should have been a "warmonger", because that's what won at the end of the day.
>It's probably applicable to the US and all the third-world (But non-industrial nations) countries, and probably applicable to fascist nations too.
Then what even is the argument?
>In spite of that, we can likely all agree that constant dependence on a massive state is not a good economy.
No, it can be a good economy. It's just you can't have any half measures. One of the best periods of the USSR was when it finally made the majority of it's industries fully state controlled. Think of it as kind of like an emergent system, with the whole being greater then the sum of the parts, but requiring every part to function optimally.
>that formatted copypasta
That's not a copypasta, that's literally me copying from the pdf. A copypasta is not when you just copy something you newfag.
>Either way, that's two examples, and from what I can tell from reformatting your shitty copy and paste into gedit, the government eventually said "fine, we need the rubber so here's some money that you need to use." Which they did. Fucking christ.
No, that's not what it said. Read the pdf for christ sake. It's that companies absolutely had the govenment by the balls in any case of "mediation". The government couldn't just demand that the company stop exporting abroad and instead produce for the state. No, it had to literally kowtow to the demands of the company in any way which facilitated its profits. "Take the risk for us and give us a tax break while you're at it, or we just won't invest", and in response to this the Nazis give zero repercussions and just give them it. To give another example of how companies had all the say in Nazi Germany:
<To conclude this list of examples a last case seems worth mentioning-the Oberschlesische Hydrierwerke AG Blechhammer. This hydrogenation plant was one of the largest investment projects undertaken in the whole period of the Third Reich; between 1940 and autumn 1943 it cost 485m RM.54 The plan was to finance it with the help of the Upper Silesian coal syndicate. However, the biggest single company of the syndicate, the Grdflich Schaffgott'sche Werke GmbH, repeatedly refused to participate in the effort. Other companies were prepared to finance a part of the plant, but only under conditions that were unacceptable to the Reich because they would have implied discrimination against firms that had already concluded other contracts with the state. For some time Carl Krauch, plenipotentiary for chemicals production, contemplated an obligatory engagement of firms. There existed, however, rather different opinions among state agencies concerning this question. And finally, in November 1939, the hydrogenation factory was founded without any participation of private industry.55 All the cases described, which could still be augmented, show that freedom of contract generally was respected by the regime even in projects important for the war.
How is this any different then existing neoliberal economies?

 No.687426

>>687412
Just want to say I applaud you for actually attempting to effort post.
I am way too lazy to engage with this amount of nonsense.
I see your effort and its appreciated.
You make the site a better place to be in.

 No.687475

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>>687421
>Your "undeniable" truth is as easily deniable as having an another anecdote to counter it. Because that's all you have, an anecdote.
Well shit, if it's something as large as me noticing most people separate themselves by race, and this is something that you can observe in cities and schools and prisons alike, I'd say the anecdote is pretty strong.
>Most people don't live in ethnic enclaves you fag. And nothing is going to be "proportional" when you have a smattering of "minority" populations and one "majority" one. You're not going to have an "even amount" simply due to the size of populations in areas in the first place.
I know. I live in a place of the world with a pretty even split between two wildly different ethnic groups, and we just self-segregate.
>To make a point that you didn't even read them.
I know I didn't read them. Retard.
>Define "nature" you idiot. Because literally anything we do is on our "nature", we would be incapable otherwise.
Don't bullshit me, nature is the implicit behaviors we have that were created out of necessity for our survival.
>It's in my "nature" to not be ethnocentric. It's also in my "nature" to be against it in general.
Where do you even live white boy
>And how can you say we should be willing to brush aside our "primal instincts", and then gleefully rush at the first chance possible to literally enforce it?
It's not a fucking discrete thing, it's not a "yes" or a "no". We can live together, sure. We can live together and not rip eachothers heads off, sure. But especially when everythings alright, we should understand that we'd prefer to be apart from eachother.
>They are purely operating on the observable phenotypical characteristics of the person, that's is all. Ancestry, and even ethnicity, are not "race".
The phenotypical characteristics are heavily related to ancestry and ethnicity. I can tell someone whose Arabian and a Levantine apart, in particular extreme cases. Same with South African and Central African and North Africans, who we can consider to be different races, or different branches of the same race. Same applies to Celts, Germs, Meds, Slavs, etc. They all have distinct features. For example, caucasian diaspora have the distinct quality of lactase persistence even in old age.
>Again, then you have no fucking idea what "race" is. Race isn't genetic ancestry or the grouping of haplogroups or whatever, it is simply an arbitrary social construct based almost entirely on phenotypical characteristics.
Again are you retarded
>Even the CIA states this.
and I should believe what a bunch of drug-addict, lying, backstabbing piece of shit should say why?

 No.687478

>>687475
>Well shit, if it's something as large as me noticing most people separate themselves by race, and this is something that you can observe in cities and schools and prisons alike, I'd say the anecdote is pretty strong.
<we live in a racist society therefore race is intrinsic and objective

not even gonna read the rest

 No.687480

>>687478
>we live in a racist society therefore race is intrinsic and objective
>racist
I live in leafland you asshat, we are born and raised not to be racist. If you really wanna believe us going "he look different, I won't kill him but I'd rather stay with the guys that look like me" is racist, then I guess maybe you're just a fucking delusional retard who got dropped on a hammer as a baby and got a frontal lobotomy with a fuckin sickle when you were an autistic 9 year old.

 No.687485

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>>687480
>>racist
>I live in leafland you asshat, we are born and raised not to be racist

 No.687488

>>687485
>shota laughing.jpg
>literal drawn child porn
but we're pedophiles because tabloid journos make sensationalist articles about english guys that got stabbed within a few months

 No.687501

>>687480
>I live in leafland you asshat, we are born and raised not to be racist
Why are leafs the best shitposters?

 No.687503

>>687488
>history belongs to the strongest, we will be the axis of human nature
<noooooo you can't post a pic of a smirking kid that's child porn

 No.687543

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>>687503
>Hah… it's just a smirking ki-*UGH*

 No.687571

>>687475
>Well shit, if it's something as large as me noticing most people separate themselves by race, and this is something that you can observe in cities and schools and prisons alike, I'd say the anecdote is pretty strong.
Again, you just repeating "I notice" is not an argument. You can easily point to the overwhelming number of circumstances where that is not the case.
>I know. I live in a place of the world with a pretty even split between two wildly different ethnic groups, and we just self-segregate.
Then what even is your argument if it literally relies of the most extreme example of apparent ethnic division?
>I know I didn't read them. Retard.
Then why use them?
>Don't bullshit me, nature is the implicit behaviors we have that were created out of necessity for our survival.
Again, that "nature" is literally anything and everything we do, unless you're going to imply some aspect of us is separate from such a process.
>Where do you even live white boy
Not white (or at least would never be considered such) fbi man.
>It's not a fucking discrete thing, it's not a "yes" or a "no". We can live together, sure. We can live together and not rip eachothers heads off, sure. But especially when everythings alright, we should understand that we'd prefer to be apart from eachother.
You're arguing fascism, and more particularly "natsoc" you fag. To even enforce what you want first requires you to go out of your way to separate people.
>The phenotypical characteristics are heavily related to ancestry and ethnicity.
Ancestry? In a way, but it's not always clear, and definitely not in regards to "race". Ethnicity is something different entirely.
>I can tell someone whose Arabian and a Levantine apart, in particular extreme cases.
You claim to be Canadian, but you talk like a burger. "Arabian" in terms of ethnicity is not Arabian as an actual egentic grouping (which is barely even a thing). Those who live in the Levant are also absurdly diverse, so what the fuck do you mean by Levantine? Do you mean Levantine Arab?
>Same with South African and Central African and North Africans, who we can consider to be different races, or different branches of the same race.
Fucking what? These aren't even considered races by people who even group by race.
>Same applies to Celts, Germs, Meds, Slavs, etc. They all have distinct features.
These are not "races", and practically no one uses these catagories when they are discussing "race".
>For example, caucasian diaspora have the distinct quality of lactase persistence even in old age.
Are you really going to pull the lactate meme?
>Again are you retarded
I'm referring to actual existant things, like ancestry and haplogroupings. You're refering to absolute fucking nonsense.
>and I should believe what a bunch of drug-addict, lying, backstabbing piece of shit should say why?
Because they have no reason to lie about the enemy they are reporting on to their own in a clandestine setting.
<Meme
That's not how subspecies work, as no "race" meets the pairwise fst in comparison to another "race" to be considered a subspecies in any respect. And you're argument doesn't even work against me because I'm not your strawman that denies genetics. I deny the retarded categorization of race, not ancestry or even haplogroups. Again, race is literally arbitrary socially informed nonsense. Nobody fucking uses it in a clinical setting, they use ancestry. You're not helping you're argument by trying to generally refer to the study of genetics, you're just making the categorization of race even more absurd.

 No.687578

>>687488
>literal drawn child porn
What the fuck are you talking about? This is just desperate at this point, because posting "smug image of cropped anime/manga character" is am image board staple. You can't honestly be trying to compare that to the actual cases of pedophilia that your side got exposed for.
>but we're pedophiles because tabloid journos make sensationalist articles about english guys that got stabbed within a few months
You're pedophiles because there were actual cases of pedophilia with major right wing figures that you tried to desperately damage control for, as literally shown in this thread.

 No.687585

>>687480
>If you really wanna believe us going "he look different, I won't kill him but I'd rather stay with the guys that look like me" is racist, then I guess maybe you're just a fucking delusional retard who got dropped on a hammer as a baby and got a frontal lobotomy with a fuckin sickle when you were an autistic 9 year old.
Going "I don't want the other guy to even live near me and I want there to exist some form of societal enforcement that ensures that only guys that look like me can ever live near me, and a culture which upholds that enforced"" is racist.

 No.687594

>>687475
>i notice
Is this the return of thingnoticer?

 No.687597

The freedom for those in power to take control of the narrative without opposition.
"Free speech" does not exist, and never has existed.

 No.687601

Race isn't a thing.
Ethnicity refers to close groupings of people genetically based on historical (and in some cases current) geographic barriers that led to shared traits spreading in certain communities.
Things like hutu and tutsi are ethnic groups, "black" and "African" are abstractions which can't be categorised scientifically.

 No.687608

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>>687543
>Some random nobody with no set political affiliation to make them a communist
vs
>Man with an actual armband identifying him as a Nazi

 No.687629

>>687480
big loser energy

 No.687641

>>687634
> Dont you think a nazi would know the armband goes on left arm, not right?
No, actually.
This fits exactly into my mental schema lel

 No.687689

>>687608
>some random nobody who looks like a faggit (bcuz he is)
>some larper midget getting knocked out by a BLACK KING

 No.687700

>>687571
Occidental haplogroup B4 BTFO'd

 No.687733

>>687571
>Then what even is your argument if it literally relies of the most extreme example of apparent ethnic division?
How is it an extreme example? An extreme example would be some major Israeli city, where a simple difference in faith would be enough justification to be subject to a brutal assault in the wrong neighbourhood.
>Not white (or at least would never be considered such) fbi man.
Explains why you're on leftypol, literally LMAOing at third-worlders
>You're arguing fascism, and more particularly "natsoc" you fag. To even enforce what you want first requires you to go out of your way to separate people.
Why yes, I do want us separated. We want to be separated, so we should just fuck off back home.
>You claim to be Canadian, but you talk like a burger. "Arabian" in terms of ethnicity is not Arabian as an actual egentic grouping (which is barely even a thing). Those who live in the Levant are also absurdly diverse, so what the fuck do you mean by Levantine? Do you mean Levantine Arab?
I really don't know what you mean, sounds like a bunch of psychobabble. What I mean is that I can distinctly tell the differences between someone who comes from the Easternmost coasts of the Mediterranean, to the very near peoples of the Arabian peninsula, considerably those who are surrounded by the Red Sea, Persian Gulf, and Arabian Sea.
>Fucking what? These aren't even considered races by people who even group by race.
I'm using them as examples. North, Central and South African natives look different - they express different phenotypal traits. However, you can easily classify the two latter categories as a race, distinct from the North Africans due to their major differences in phenotypal traits compared to the other two groups.
>These are not "races", and practically no one uses these catagories when they are discussing "race".
These are different branches of the white race, I'm expressing how even small geographic differences are expressed through phenotype, to the point you can split people apart. In that same vein, it would be reasonable to split extremely different people across large geographical areas into different larger categories, in the same way that we split different languages into larger families.
>Are you really going to pull the lactate meme?
shudra detected, keep sneeding
>I'm referring to actual existant things, like ancestry and haplogroupings. You're refering to absolute fucking nonsense.
I'm applying the things you don't deny into larger groups for a greater feeling of solidarity between all the groups, but okay.
>Because they have no reason to lie about the enemy they are reporting on to their own in a clandestine setting.
why would they lie to the public haha
>>687578
>What the fuck are you talking about?
Don't even wanna reverse image search the pic, but the fucking kid clearly is wearing nothing but a goddamn hoodie. Hang yourself.
>You're pedophiles because there were actual cases of pedophilia with major right wing figures that you tried to desperately damage control for, as literally shown in this thread.
You're pedophiles because you don't hang fags who talk about children having a sexuality that needs to be explored, spending a retarded amount of time shittalking them like we do. Eat shit (and die)

 No.687768

>>687733
> You're pedophiles because you don't hang fags who talk about children having a sexuality that needs to be explored

 No.688735

>>687733
>How is it an extreme example? An extreme example would be some major Israeli city, where a simple difference in faith would be enough justification to be subject to a brutal assault in the wrong neighbourhood.
Extreme relative to everywhere else in the society it exists in.
>Explains why you're on leftypol, literally LMAOing at third-worlders
And how did you assume I'm living in the third world based only by me saying I'm not considered white? Also, make up you're mind. If I'm white it's apparently some issue, but if I'm not, it also is.
>Why yes, I do want us separated. We want to be separated, so we should just fuck off back home.
I like where I am, so no thanks. I don't want it be "separated", this is my home.
>I really don't know what you mean, sounds like a bunch of psychobabble.
Genetics and ethnicity is psychobabble now? I guess we may as well throw out your entire attempt at an argument then. Then again, it was barely based off of actual genetics research to begin with.
>What I mean is that I can distinctly tell the differences between someone who comes from the Easternmost coasts of the Mediterranean, to the very near peoples of the Arabian peninsula, considerably those who are surrounded by the Red Sea, Persian Gulf, and Arabian Sea.
No you can't, because jus the geographic area of existing populations is not itself the phenotypical breakup of groups within those populations. Levantine Arabs love literally side by side with other ethnic populations in their region, and that ethnic population has within it various phenotypical characteristics.
>I'm using them as examples. North, Central and South African natives look different - they express different phenotypal traits. However, you can easily classify the two latter categories as a race, distinct from the North Africans due to their major differences in phenotypal traits compared to the other two groups.
Nobody refers to "race" in such a manner, and no one refers to said "groups" as races. "Race" is a useless catagorization when trying to analyze such populations and adds nothing but pointless social notions to them. And no, you cannot group all three simply as such, there is far more nuance to the genetics of the populations of Africa.
>These are different branches of the white race,
That's reatrded, there is no need for there to even be a singular "white race" to create branches of when you have the actual specific genetic information for particular populations. The "white" part is nothing more then useless culturally informed baggage that has no place in a clinical setting.
>I'm expressing how even small geographic differences are expressed through phenotype, to the point you can split people apart.
Phenotype isn't always just the geography, and what do you mean by "split apart"?
>In that same vein, it would be reasonable to split extremely different people across large geographical areas into different larger categories, in the same way that we split different languages into larger families.
No, it wouldn't, especially when you have the means to actually study the existant genetic data of certain populations in a clinical setting, in which such inherently socially and culturally informed "breakups" and useless and offer nothing to the study of said population except larger societal confusion on the matter. Language is not the same as genetics.
>shudra detected, keep sneeding
The world isn't memes, grow up.
>I'm applying the things you don't deny into larger groups for a greater feeling of solidarity between all the groups, but okay.
So it's not fucking scientific you fag. It's you inserting your own personal proclivity for antiquated socially informed groupings into science so you don't have to drop them, in some weirdly peverese need to enshrine them for your own contrarian pleasure.
>Don't even wanna reverse image search the pic, but the fucking kid clearly is wearing nothing but a goddamn hoodie. Hang yourself.
Not the anon who posted it, but you're straight up lying to yourself if that's the worst smug image you've seen cropped on an imageboard. And again, no comparable to the actual pedophilia practiced by actual right wing figures that you are trying to make it equivalent to.
>You're pedophiles because you don't hang fags who talk about children having a sexuality that needs to be explored,
I don't see how me not physically going around hanging people makes me a pedophile. I also don't see an issue with "exploring sexuality" if it's the equivalent to the "bird and the bees" talk literally every parent has to give their kid, but with people who aren't straight. If it's something which is actually abhorrent, then I'll take an issue with it when that comes up, but I won't just blanket state that everyone who explains how sex works when a kid hits puberty (which is something every parent does) should be hanged.
>spending a retarded amount of time shittalking them like we do. Eat shit (and die)
Why would we waste our time doing that when we have other stuff to discuss that isn't a downward spiral that goes nowhere? And we already shit talk pedos, that's what the right wing pedo thread is for.

 No.688742

>>688735
*want it to be "separated"
*because just
*live literally side
*retarded
*are useless and offer
*not comparable

Just got out of work, so I'm stuck phone posting for now.

 No.688778

>>687608
wrong arm for the arm band

 No.688782

>>662616

true. wtf point is being made by showing individual cases? we know that anyone on any side can be censored if they go too far. there is the point being made that people can be censored for things you might not think are censored normally, but beyond that it's just circle-jerking adhom.

[oh man guy from X party is a pedo therefore X party is made of pedos]

 No.688791

>>663479

>nazis "kept swinging til the end"

>hitler has left the server

 No.688883

>>688735
>Extreme relative to everywhere else in the society it exists in.
Not really, most metropolitan areas have even more ethnic diversity, with even more groups, not just whites and sikhs.
>And how did you assume I'm living in the third world based only by me saying I'm not considered white?
Well for starters you're a communist so
>I like where I am, so no thanks.
and where would that be
>The "white" part is nothing more then useless culturally informed baggage that has no place in a clinical setting
Hey wait, I just realized this, why are we applying all of this shit to a clinical setting? This is political, not fucking medical. The fact that people have created race, and then proceeded to propagate it for how fuckin long now without eventually phasing it out as it lost true genuine meaning in society, brings into question if we can argue if it's not "realllly valid". If people continue to use it, and refuse to distance themselves from it, it will continue to be valid in social-political terms.
>No, it wouldn't, especially when you have the means to actually study the existant genetic data of certain populations in a clinical setting, in which such inherently socially and culturally informed "breakups" and useless and offer nothing to the study of said population except larger societal confusion on the matter
Again, we keep using it. We clearly struck some sort of chord with a vague, easy understanding of ethnicity.
>So it's not fucking scientific you fag.
Well I've already posted le proofs, but in the end I guess you want it to not be scientific. So let's go with that. Now, ask yourself, can we really make a science out of politics? Fuck no. There's too many variables, any science from it shitthrowing at a wall and seeing what sticks.
>Not the anon who posted it, but you're straight up lying to yourself if that's the worst smug image you've seen cropped on an imageboard.
You do understand I chimp out everytime when I even see pornography full stop on an imageboard? I'm a sperg, not a fuckin coomer.
Either way, casually posting cropped fuckin drawn child porn is still something that gives evidence to the idea that your obsession with pedophiles in england being reported in tabloid sensationalist journalism is nothing but le projection
>I don't see how me not physically going around hanging people makes me a pedophile. I also don't see an issue with "exploring sexuality" if it's the equivalent to the "bird and the bees" talk literally every parent has to give their kid, but with people who aren't straight. If it's something which is actually abhorrent, then I'll take an issue with it when that comes up, but I won't just blanket state that everyone who explains how sex works when a kid hits puberty (which is something every parent does) should be hanged.
Well shit, I don't lurk here, obviously. But have any of you guys shown complete opposition to the - what now seems like a trimonthly event - constant addition of more and more fuckin obscene shit in schools' Sex Ed curricula? At least /pol/ says they hate it, as far as I'm aware you're busy focusing on… fuckin whatever the hell you third worlders do.
>And we already shit talk pedos, that's what the right wing pedo thread is for
See above. Every single one is english, a country with a rather high rate of child sexual abuse, reported in tabloid journalism, where members are in all-too thuggish and open groups.
Get back to me when there's a fuckin NBC documentary on how the KKK would molest eachothers daughters.

 No.689085

>>688883
>Not really, most metropolitan areas have even more ethnic diversity, with even more groups, not just whites and sikhs.
Yes, and? That's not the same as what you stated the situation where you lived was.
>Well for starters you're a communist so
And?
>and where would that be
Does is matter fbi man?
>Hey wait, I just realized this, why are we applying all of this shit to a clinical setting? This is political, not fucking medical.
Because we're discussing genetics. If you're instead trying to state race is purely a political thing as some kind of counter, you're practically just making my argument for me.
>The fact that people have created race, and then proceeded to propagate it for how fuckin long now without eventually phasing it out as it lost true genuine meaning in society, brings into question if we can argue if it's not "realllly valid". If people continue to use it, and refuse to distance themselves from it, it will continue to be valid in social-political terms.
"Race" is a relatively modern thing, and the use of it and the "validity" of it can absolutely be questioned. Its not "valid" scientifically regardless if some people use it as a categorization, and it not being valid scientifically should lead us to question the social-political use of it. It is precisely it's use in such that permits us to argue if it's not "realllly valid", unless you're going to try and make the absurd argument that social contructs are immutable and unchangeable.
>Again, we keep using it. We clearly struck some sort of chord with a vague, easy understanding of ethnicity.
The use of it has been something that historically shifted in every direction you can imagine, and it's arbitrary nature should be a sign that we can do better. Its not some kind of eternal concept, and it isn't an argument to state "well, people use it, so it's fine!". Then you're just arguing that society should base itself fully on "feels>reals" and that belief is enough to make a thing "valid". It makes your own argument go from "Race is scientifically valid, and we should utilize it to dictate policy" to "Race is only valid as long people believe it's valid, and when they don't believe it is, then it's no longer valid", which is some "I'm 13 and this is deep" garbage.
>Well I've already posted le proofs, but in the end I guess you want it to not be scientific. So let's go with that. Now, ask yourself, can we really make a science out of politics? Fuck no. There's too many variables, any science from it shitthrowing at a wall and seeing what sticks.
I never wanted the discussion to not be scientific, that was you when you immediately deviated from such after I referenced the sources you posted that you didn't even read, and then provided sources which countered the few that allegedly supported your argument. And while politics may not itself be a science, you can have politics which tries to have a foundation in science and utilizes it to argue if a certain policy matches up to held principles.
>You do understand I chimp out everytime when I even see pornography full stop on an imageboard? I'm a sperg, not a fuckin coomer.
How do you even survive on any imageboard without being the equivalent of a hysterical twitterite?
>Either way, casually posting cropped fuckin drawn child porn is still something that gives evidence to the idea that your obsession with pedophiles in england being reported in tabloid sensationalist journalism is nothing but le projection
I didn't even post it, and how is that even equivalent in any respect? You're literally arguing that a cropped image of a drawn japanese picture, which could have been sourced from literally anywhere, is equivalent to actual documented cases of pedophilia. And it's not even simple tabloid sensationalist journalism, these are actual cases you can find the records for.
>Well shit, I don't lurk here, obviously. But have any of you guys shown complete opposition to the - what now seems like a trimonthly event - constant addition of more and more fuckin obscene shit in schools' Sex Ed curricula?
It's not a constant topic we obsess about like some kind of culture war addicted reddit fag. There's always some clickbait nonsense, and we're not going to bother to sift the garbage from the tiniest half truth regarding somewhere inconsiquential.
>At least /pol/ says they hate it, as far as I'm aware you're busy focusing on… fuckin whatever the hell you third worlders do.
Again, I have no idea how you assumed that based on me not being considered white. Also, we're too busy focusing on other that isn't a sensationalist culture war clickbait wormhole.
>See above. Every single one is english, a country with a rather high rate of child sexual abuse, reported in tabloid journalism, where members are in all-too thuggish and open groups
All three of the major ones mentioned weren't, unless suddenly there exist branches of the American Nazi party and the KKK in the UK. Also, as stated before, how does the others being in the UK change anything? High rate or low rate, that doesn't change how the overwhelming amount of politically affiliated pedophiles are right wing.
>Get back to me when there's a fuckin NBC documentary on how the KKK would molest eachothers daughters
How would the non existence of an NBC documentary regarding pedophiles in the KKK somehow invalidate the existence of such? That's not how it works. There exists an actual high profile case that was referred to in this thread, court case and all, so the MSM failure to make a documentary doesn't suddenly nullify it's existence.

 No.689288

>>663479
It’s cute when you forget your allies

 No.689995

>>689963
>lmao rashid is a drug dealer, that's not a free speech issue
*steals shit from capitol*
*gets arrested*
<NOOOOOOOOOOO WE ARE SO OPRESSED WHAT ABOUT FROZEN PEACHES THIS IS LITERALLY 1984 ANIMAL FARMERINO NOOOO!!!!1
retard, lol

 No.692038

>>689085
not gonna entertain your tactical nihilism because get fucked nerd, but
>Also, as stated before, how does the others being in the UK change anything? High rate or low rate, that doesn't change how the overwhelming amount of politically affiliated pedophiles are right wing.
Not even gonna explain in detail, higher rate + sensationalist journalism + cultural hate for far-right = over-representation of pedos being far-right in the news
>How would the non existence of an NBC documentary regarding pedophiles in the KKK somehow invalidate the existence of such?
If you're not retarded, you should be able to piece together that 1. the KKK is a group who has a perfect storm of conditions for being pedophiles, considering their relative secrecy and location within rural areas with little law enforcement, and 2. assuming that your theory that pedos are more likely to be far-right, than at this point we should hear about pedos in a large far-right organization in a country with a lower rate of pedos who have the perfect set of conditions to be pedos. But they're not. The lack of reporting in a nation that isn't Britain or is third-world provides a dose of serious fallibility to your statement.

 No.692112

>>692038
What is this cope? Forget being an appeal to ignorance, this is all based on a few really big “ifs”. Namely how relevant the KKK is in the United States.

 No.692973

>>692112
Again, the fact that this pattern of "right wing pedos" isn't seen in
>1. a nation which has a lower rate of child sexual abuse than england, a place where "nonce" is just seen as general slang in the same place as "faggot"
>2. another far-right group but has the key factor of being much less open to new members, ensuring that the only people within the group are those who the key heads who know the group's morals generally approve of
shows that the shitfarting about right wing pedos is fake and gay

 No.693061

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>>692973
No. Pedophilia and particularly actual child abuse is a distinctly right wing phenomena and fits in well into the dark-tetrad/might is right orientation of right wing politics. There is no greater power differentation than that between adult and child.

 No.693090

>>692973
This does not refute the claim it’s responding to, you’re again speculating on a perceived absence as being proof of a phenomenon

 No.693296

>>693061
The fucking chart doesn't even show pedophilia to be "far-right" why the fuck did you attach it to your post?
And also, vore and sadism is on the political left. Does that imply leftists are sadistic cannibals? Probably not. The chart means fucking nothing.
>shit theory
See it would remotely be applicable if you didn't have this sex-crazed worldview. Everything about you lefty poofs needs to be about sex, I swear to God. I've noticed that the further right you go, the more almost schizoid-tier celibate people within it get.
>>693090
>This does not refute the claim it’s responding to
Says who fuckwit? Says fucking who? His first claim is through the evidence of primarily English tabloid articles on extremely open far-right groups that can be described better as "hooligan" than "political", which I've shown to be fallible through some very basic critical thinking. Then he's trying to use theory, which you can see my response to above.
Another question I have, what is with lefties and immediately going "NOOO THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING" the instant you state something? The argument eventually turns into trying to prove your statement has a valid point instead of the valid point's implications. Fuck.

 No.693309

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>>650046
MIAbros…

 No.693321

>>693309
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1842/free-press/index.htm

Here's a mirror without the censorship. The copyright strike on the Marx Engels collected works was ridiculous. The copyright owner didn't even do the work themselves, most of it was translated by Soviet academics and given to the old CPGB to raise funds.

 No.693371

>>693296
So you can’t prove the validity of the point?

 No.693388

>>693321
cool, didn't know this existed. does it have gramscii's stuff too?

 No.693390

>>693388
Unfortunately no. There are some other MIA mirrors out there that might still have it though. I think one of them was on a site called "catbull".

 No.693393

>>693296
>The fucking chart doesn't even show pedophilia to be "far-right"
Yes it does.
>lefty poofs
pedos are overwhelmingly heterosexual males
>I've noticed that the further right you go, the more almost schizoid-tier celibate people within it get.
Yeah and they are also pedo rapist sex fiends.

Also take a gander at the esoteric hitlerism pedophilia thread.

 No.693491

>>693393
>Yes it does.
It shows that pedophilia has a bias towards economic-right, and a bit towards authoritarianism in men. Let me give you a list of the fetishes you believe are more far-right than being a pedophile (in men cause I'm lazy):
>24/7 Power Dynamics
>Scat
>Lactation
>Rapeplay
>Bestiality
>Sounding
>Raceplay
So what the fuck are you on?
>pedos are overwhelmingly heterosexual males
Firstly, I just said "poof". Not nonce, poof. I'm calling you an effeminate homosexual using Northern English slang, not a pedophile. And in response? You immediately go "DEBOONK'D".
You may call it "proactive". I call it a big fat Freudian slip. Nobody mentioned the sexuality of pedophiles, you're just trying to cover you and your buttbuddies' arses.

 No.693511

>>693491
political compass brainrot leaking from reddit

 No.693527

>>692038
>not gonna entertain your tactical nihilism because get fucked nerd, but
What "tactical nihilism"?
>Not even gonna explain in detail, higher rate + sensationalist journalism + cultural hate for far-right = over-representation of pedos being far-right in the news
And this is an argument you would never accept if made by the left. If I stated in response to your accusations regarding the left that it was just sensationalist journalism and was due to cultural hate for communism, you'd throw it right out and yell cope all thread. Again though, mentioning there are more pedos in the UK or that there is sensationalist media doesn't change the argument in regards to a large amount of politically affiliated pedos being far-right, because there should then be some amount of "left wing" pedis to match it. There are not.
>If you're not retarded, you should be able to piece together that 1. the KKK is a group who has a perfect storm of conditions for being pedophiles, considering their relative secrecy and location within rural areas with little law enforcement, and 2. assuming that your theory that pedos are more likely to be far-right, than at this point we should hear about pedos in a large far-right organization in a country with a lower rate of pedos who have the perfect set of conditions to be pedos. But they're not. The lack of reporting in a nation that isn't Britain or is third-world provides a dose of serious fallibility to your statement.
Accept there literally is, August Kreis. The media not reporting on him as much doesn't make his case existent or non existent, it just means they are failing to report on it. There is some major cognitive dissonance for your argument here, can't you see you're applying completely different standards when you're dealing with the left and right? When it's the left, reporting on it is just a matter of truth, while not reporting is covering for it. But when it's the right, reporting on it is sensationalist fabricated media, while not reporting is not covering for it, but rather something which is truthfully indicative of it never having happened.

 No.693530

>>693491
>Nobody mentioned the sexuality of pedophiles, you're just trying to cover you and your buttbuddies' arses.
You quite literally mentioned a perceived association with gays and pedophilia earlier, you can't blame an anon for thinking you are going off on that again.
>Freudian slip
Reddit cope

 No.693533

>>693296
>I've noticed that the further right you go, the more almost schizoid-tier celibate people within it get.
And I noticed the exact opposite, because I actually used 8chan and was immersed in the far right where they grouped up elsewhere.
>His first claim is through the evidence of primarily English tabloid articles on extremely open far-right groups that can be described better as "hooligan" than "political", which I've shown to be fallible through some very basic critical thinking. Then he's trying to use theory, which you can see my response to above.
You can literally find the cases you fag. The news articles don't suddenly invalidate the actual existing court documents you retard.
>Another question I have, what is with lefties and immediately going "NOOO THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING" the instant you state something? The argument eventually turns into trying to prove your statement has a valid point instead of the valid point's implications. Fuck
We don't do that unless it's warrented, and practically every post you've made has warranted the statement that you are not making any kind of valid argument. And you do have to show how your statement has a valid point to it, it doesn't automatically have one unless you can show it does, and people can question such.

 No.694393

>>693511
>uses political compass
>butthurt when someone uses same thing to btfo
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>693527
>And this is an argument you would never accept if made by the left.
And this is relevant why?
>But when it's the right, reporting on it is sensationalist fabricated media, while not reporting is not covering for it, but rather something which is truthfully indicative of it never having happened.
Again, I'm saying that the exclusivity of your examples being given finding themselves in England subjects them to fallibility due to England's culture, political ethos, and higher rate of pedophilia. If I start seeing it happen literally anywhere else in a first-world nation where saying "pedophile" is enough to get an enemy gang member butchered without needing to raise a finger, then I'll reconsider. Not repeating this anymore.
>>693530
>You quite literally mentioned a perceived association with gays and pedophilia earlier, you can't blame an anon for thinking you are going off on that again.
Was it this thread or another thread? All of you guys blend together in my head.
>And I noticed the exact opposite, because I actually used 8chan and was immersed in the far right where they grouped up elsewhere.
As did I, and I was a youngfag back then who was just about to lose his virginity. I'd be way more sensitive to noticing sexuality.
>You can literally find the cases you fag. The news articles don't suddenly invalidate the actual existing court documents you retard.
See above, other factors than sensationalist media such as openness and objective of groups and higher rates of pedos.
>We don't do that unless it's warrented
doubt

 No.694419

>>694393
>And this is relevant why?
NTA but:
Because if you want to debate, you're supposed to judge and analyze the differents sides with equal standards.
If X means Y, then it means Y regardless of the team it apply to. You cannot just decide X means Y in A case and Z in B case. Or that would be jsut arguing in bad faith.

 No.694478

>>694419
I haven't brought up any pedophiles on the left, mostly because I don't bother listing them off, categorizing them, taking note, etc. because I just have the natural instinct of "lefty = nonce". That in it of itself should be your focus, the fact that I'm unable to support that it's an equal problem on the left as the right. With that, I would respond that they likely aren't associated with left-wing groups because of bias, and we can't prove that but I genuinely believe it with all my heart, etc. etc. etc.
But you're trying to say my point is invalid because apparently, even though you have no evidence to prove it, I don't treat the situation equally. I would say I do, far more than anyone on my side. Whenever I hear about "___ the lefty is a nonce", I won't be surprised if they are but I still hold skepticism in the desperate hope they aren't a pedophile, because I don't want people to be pedophiles.

 No.694485

>>694478
>because I just have the natural instinct of "lefty = nonce". That in it of itself should be your focus

Why should we care about your schizo nonce-sense, you probably think lefties eat babies too.

 No.694606

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>>694485
Yes, I do think you eat babies. How could you tell?

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>>694478
>The real reason right-wingers are obsessed with pedophillia


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