Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 17:12:55 No. 649645
So this is interesting and all, but my question is where does Anti-Cosmic Satanism fit into all this? As an avid black metal listener myself, there are several bands who promote the views of the Temple of the Black Light, formerly known as the Misanthropic Luciferian Order, in their music. Off the top of my head I can name Dissection and Watain but I'm sure there's others. TotBL and O9A have similarities in their veneration of the "acausal" and this idea of "advancing a sinister dialectic" aka doing "evil" to advance the cause. But while O9A seems to advance evil purely for its own sake and seeks to create a dystopia for everyone, TotBL portrays their anti-cosmic eldritch monsters beyond space and time as ultimately being a force for good, as the forces of the "causal" are led by the tyrannical Demiurge. There's other shit to compare and contrast, but is there any connection between Anti-Cosmic Satanism and O9A? And if so how much?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:39:51 No. 649778
>>649645 >O9A seems to advance evil purely for its own sake and seeks to create a dystopia for everyone This misperception is my fault but no that's TOB specifically. O9A as exemplified in Myatt does evil for the sake of evolving beyond humanity and creating an occult Nazi space empire. TOB calls for evil for the sake of evil. The two strains predictably get pretty jumbled together when you're talking about what the average O9A influenced fascist believes but in general terms they're distinct.
I'm not an expert on Anticosmic Satanism but from what I know about it, there are a few major differences and points of overlap. First and foremost, O9A as embodied in Myatt's writings isn't anticosmic. Acasual energy is chaotic, amoral and in a sense hostile to life but the Dark Gods aren't there to free you from the shackles of an earthly prison, they're there to create and evolve life within the casual. Obviously the Imperium is a causal/material goal. Another big difference is that C218/ACS uses a ton of goetia and kabbalah while O9A has thrown together an occult system it claims is completely dejudaized. Overall, ACS seems to have much more of a serious emphasis on ceremonial magic and study whereas O9A is all about getting you to go out and do real world evil. For O9A that's a big part of their "magic" and they have a lot of disdain for people who sit around reading books and doing ritual all day without doing evil in the real world.
When it comes to overlap, the main one I'm aware of is that early ACS literature used a lot of the same terminology as O9A. Causal/acausal, nexions. Fallxifer was originally a Dark God from the O9A pantheon. I'd have to read up on ACS in depth to say too much more but it's obvious that the early MLO guys were reading Myatt.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:42:37 No. 649781
>>645917 >insight role there was a post here a few weeks ago where some schizo asked to be given an insight role and listed his qualifications. i had no idea what the hell it meant, did he mistake this place for a recruiting spot?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:45:15 No. 649783
>>649645 >>649778 Another point of intersection, TOB specifically was much more syncretic than "old school" O9A and this included combining O9A with gnosticism and with ACS in particular. The Devil's Quran, The Black Path and a good deal of the stuff in Choronzon are all gnostic, some of the stuff in Chroronzon is even ACS specifically. Martinet Press also published a book from Asha Shedim, who is ACS although seemingly not particularly well regarded in that community, which tends to have disdain for O9A. I've spoken to a few anticosmic practitioners and they tend to see all the shit about politics, "aeonic magic" and insight roles as a focus on mundane things to the exclusion of the rigorous ceremonial magic that it takes to free you from the cosmic prison.
But just to emphasize this point, the differences between TOB and "traditional O9A" were aesthetic. These people all knew each other behind the scenes, they were all working towards the same ultimate goal, they participated in projects together. The narrative that there's a "good O9A" represented by Myatt, Chloe and the ABG Lodge and a "bad O9A" represented by TOB and Drakon Covenant is complete nonsense. All the people in the former camp have either written pro-pedophilia works of their own or published pro-pedophilia works and all of them call for terrorism and crime.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:46:18 No. 649785
>>649781 That or this place gets shilled by Niners and one of them told a newbie to come here to get their instructions. They do shill /x/ and /pol/ pretty hard. What were his qualifications?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:50:06 No. 649788
>>649785 something about journalism i think? i thought he was a lost boomer or a clumsy fed, all i remember is thinking "what the hell is 'Insight Role(ONA)'"
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:53:45 No. 649793
>>649788 The only thing that makes me think it probably was someone who was lost is that in Myatt you choose your insight role yourself, it's not given to you. There's a lot of talk about guidance from people who are further along the sevenfold way (the O9A path/initiatory system) than you are but he repeatedly says the most they can do is offer wisdom and advice, not marching orders. But that could very well have been modified in some private O9A groups, I'm not in all of them.
As I said about their infiltration of anarcho-nihilist scenes or the RPP, it's very much not unheard of for these guys to try to infiltrate leftist spaces. Do you get many posters calling for violence and terrorism?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:56:05 No. 649798
>>649793 >Do you get many posters calling for violence and terrorism? This is a shit metric. Many people are pro violence, etc. and it's not helpful to go the lib way of pretending anyone who does is a agent provocateur/undercover/or now, '09A agent.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 19:00:44 No. 649808
>>649798 Granted but the way in which Niners do it is usually pretty obvious if you know what to look for. They tend to be shit at actually reading up on the groups they try to infiltrate so anything that calls for violence in the context of a serious, reasoned analysis you can pretty much rule out. Anything latching onto the edgiest parts of leftism with little content besides that, especially if it's presented in an aestheticized way, might be Niners.
As I said, it's not some ridiculous conspiracy theory, they fuck with online communities all the time. They're infamous for it in satanist and fascist circles, they target occult boards like /x/ and /fringe/ a lot and they used to do it to everyone when they were on fbi.gov. I think I mentioned earlier having spoken to Ryan Fleming. That was in an O9A fbi.gov server that did Jonestown themed ops to try to psyop Christians and Marxists into killing themselves. Good example of what I mean about them being very unsubtle.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 19:02:24 No. 649814
>>649808 Heh. I mean d1sc0rd assuming there's anyone reading who doesn't know the word filters here. They're probably still on fbi.gov.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 04:20:45 No. 650369
>>649808 >>649814 i've actually seen some of these types on /lit/ and in some /lit/ dickswords, although they're a bit more muted and self-aware on there. they're still massive cancerous shitters though
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 04:51:39 No. 650409
>>650369 Yeah, /lit/ too. Haven't gone there in ages so I'm not sure how active they are these days but there was a massive O9A thread years back that clearly had Niners shilling it.
Also that /lit/ schizo e-boy might be a Niner. Did a review of Hostia or The Sinister Tradition, I forget.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 05:09:26 No. 650434
OP here again (I'm most of the posts in this thread). If anyone wants they can email me at
[email protected] Been reading the old esoteric nazism threads and there were mentions of trying to get some common channel together to research these guys, which is something some people I sometimes help with research have been talking about as well. The high level journos who talk about O9A already have common channels as I said earlier but it would be nice to have something available to regular people. Seems to be a good amount of people here with.
If something already exists I can probably get a vouch or two to prove I'm not a Niner or whatever if a full thread of me airing O9A dirty laundry isn't enough.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 05:11:01 No. 650439
>>650434 *people here with knowledge of O9A
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 06:30:32 No. 650618
Nobody has brought up the Jimmy Savile (infamous nonce celebrity) connection? IIRC both were members of a cult in Leeds that was lead by a "dark matriarch" that Myatt had an illegitimate child with.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 06:46:38 No. 650641
>>650409 There was an e-celeb from Leeds who made extensive use of O9A imagery while doing book themed skits. Leeds, for one reason or another, is the hotspot for esoteric noncery in the UK.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 06:52:17 No. 650648
>>649778 >>649783 Hmm, I see. My primary point of interest of intersection between Current 218 and O9A was in the form of politics, such as they're represented. While O9A in general seems to favor some kind of fascist hellscape, cobbled together with other bits of extremism from other ideologies they found edgy, the TotBL types are a little harder to pin down. From what I've seen doing a search on them, many do support fascist and/or social-darwinist ideals and some seem to like Nazi symbolism, but on the other hand you have the frontrunner for Watain coming out vocally against Nazism largely because he correctly identifies that people like him would be among the first in the camps. Part of the reason why they're a bit harder to pin down ideologically I think is due to the consequence of embracing Gnosticism and spiritualism, while they have a similar outlook to the "sinister dialectic" in practice in terms of using "evil", the fact that they largely ignore worldly constructs means that they probably find all that "insight role" shit pointless.
Maybe I'm just rambling and being an idiot, but depending on the ideological leanings of ACS types, they could actually make for a decent ally against O9A, the natural bonus being that they'd have an in depth understanding of the occult that many of us lack.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:02:04 No. 650668
>>650618 Completely unconfirmed afaik and it depends on buying into O9A's ridiculous founding myth. Myatt claims O9A was a merger between three esoteric orders, Camlad, the Noctulians and the Cult of the Sun or some shit like that. First and only time I've seen the Saville thing claimed is on that /lit/ thread, where someone posted a probably shopped picture of Saville in occult robes and said he was a member of one of those alleged pre-O9A. Except we have absolutely zero reliable evidence for their existence besides Myatt's word.
Saville did however write an article for the Process Church of the Final Judgement's magazine and they were another fascistic occult group that glowed brighter than the sun. Manson also wrote an article for them. And not just that, Manson lived near them at one point, stayed at a crashpad they frequented at another, claimed to know their founder, and was visited by two of them after being arrested.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:09:21 No. 650678
>>650668 >Process Church of the Final Judgement Wasn't there a splinter group from that one that would kill dogs and put their corpses in public places? Or am I thinking of something else
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:11:36 No. 650681
>>650648 I'd really need to read their major works before commenting any more on what they believe but I agree, anyone that hates O9A is worth working with in at least a limited way as far as I'm concerned. I've talked to ACS people before though and beyond giving out info they don't really do much. Thing that makes them dislike O9A also makes them dislike anti-O9A activities, they see it all as pointless ime. I've repeatedly read that ACS has its own ties to the far right though so maybe that was just the ones I talked to, hasn't been a ton or anything.
The best allies I've found in terms of trying to mass report O9A shit have been redditors but I got shadowbanned for doing that.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:16:50 No. 650688
>>650678 Doesn't ring a bell to me but 90% of my knowledge about the Process comes from reading about Manson. Impossible to overstate just how much they show up in that case.
I do know though that they had a lot of narratives spun about them later on after they'd officially broken up. One of the books that officially kicked off the Satanic Panic, Maurry Terry's The Ultimate Evil, was about the Process as an omnipotent satanic cult responsible for the Son of Sam murders and other serial killings. Also said they'd infiltrated the government and shit.
The Satanic Panic is an entirely different rabbithole and I'd have to check out Terry to make a judgement on what he claims but in general I think most of those SP writers were feds or grifters and that the SP itself was an op designed to mystify other ops, similar to what UFOs are to advanced aeronatuics R&D or what qanon might be to Epstein. So I'm skeptical to say the least.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:27:04 No. 650708
>>650668 Does O9A intentionally spread mythological history to make them seem more important than they are? I remember reading about the Savile thing on /x/ shortly after the scandal broke, I don't know if the archives go that far back. But I've also seen people claim that ISIS was the invention of Myatt's manipulative genius, which was probably started by himself.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:29:36 No. 650712
>>650700 I'd implore you to read deeper into the Manson case than Wikipedia.
Here are my sources, all mainstream:
Helter Skelter by Bugliosi
Manson in His Own Words by Nuel Emmons
The Family by Ed Sanders (2nd edition, after he lost the libel lawsuit and cleaned it up)
Tate Labianca Radio
Interviews with the Family members themselves
Been a while since I did my deep dive into Manson but I can almost guarantee I know much more about the case than you do.
>>650708 Yeah, they do. On some of Myatt's blogs (which are written as if they're by other people of course) he spreads the theory that he's some CIA superspy. He even talks about the Gladio connection. They spread almost anything that makes them look mysterious and intriguing to psychopaths.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:32:00 No. 650719
>>650704
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:35:08 No. 650721
>>650712 Oh and The Manson File, which was edited by Nicholas Shreck, another occult fascist, but is a great resource.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:43:13 No. 650729
I remember taking a dive into this rabbithole years ago, but I forgot most of it. The funniest memory was a blog where a bunch of Satanists whined about the O9A members being too gossipy and mean to each other to function, undermining the solidarity of the whole "movement" of Satanists who hate morality. And apparently the Temple of Set (which I think was openly run by a US intelligence guy who had a flamboyant evil persona) and the O9A hate each other for reasons I don't remember.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:54:45 No. 650735
>>650719 yeah i deleted that
also, reading the wiki article about their beliefs, it lines up so well with a bunch of shit that gets shilled on /lit/. also, i remember someone threatening another poster (a kind of leftist) on there that they were part of a group keeping an eye on the poster and planning to kill them
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 09:03:05 No. 650827
>>650735 >i remember someone threatening another poster (a kind of leftist) on there that they were part of a group keeping an eye on the poster and planning to kill them That's literally just called a shitpost anon. Weird to make this connection.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 09:37:47 No. 650856
>>650827 maybe. would be a weird shitpost though
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:40:27 No. 651129
>>650735 Posted before it showed that it was deleted.
I'm not saying they still exist btw. If you see Process aesthetics or writings being shilled these days it's probably also Niners, since they promote it, or did when they were in control of AWD. There have been a couple of attempts at reviving the actual PCFJ but nothing that's stuck as far as we know.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:50:32 No. 651136
>>650731 Oh it gets even better. You see, Orion also stands for "Our Race Is Our Nation" which is the core tenet of national socialism according to these guys, and it makes that acronym because Satan and his demons know that the Fourth Reich will be born in America and have English as the global language. Dunno why it took four Reichs for one to stick, but it probably has something to do with the four arms of the equal sided cross or whatever
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:55:01 No. 651138
>>651129 >AWD >PCFJ what do these mean
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:57:46 No. 651142
>>651138 Atomwaffen Division and Process Church of the Final Judgement
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 22:12:19 No. 651629
Nothing but backwashed Nietzche and pseudo-intellectual posturing masking self-indulgent degeneracy. Forget gulags. Firing squads are a more appropriate treatment for these scum.
Sabinyak 2021-12-19 (Sun) 03:42:43 No. 651955
>>646578 LMAO THE FUCKING BAMBI SLEEP
>>646660 I actually found a lot of tibetan war magic stuff
i still like that a bit but i already have Santa Muerte right here so i don't feel like i need to go that far as of lately
i actually recall them not liking wicca stuff despite the fact they're pretty much following wiccas, so there's that. they're still retarded
>>646558 i mean seeing how their latest stunt was a literal mixed race clown i really wouldn't bother with them unless i just wanted to mess with them for fun.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 10:27:27 No. 656512
Forgot to post the actual link to report their main site at.
https://www.dreamhost.com/legal/abuse/ Address to report is
https://o9a.org . That goes down and their entire online presence is in disarray
Anonymous 2021-12-29 (Wed) 23:31:58 No. 666175
bump cuz this was interesting
Sabinyak 2021-12-30 (Thu) 00:55:31 No. 666255
>>666175 it was the gayest thread not necessarily a bad thing but it was not as interesting as much as it was gay
Anonymous 2021-12-30 (Thu) 01:12:30 No. 666266
>>651955 >tibetan war magic stuff post some
Sabinyak 2021-12-30 (Thu) 05:17:57 No. 666489
>>666266 you see i'm lazy so i don't have a lot since i got rid a lot of the shit i had from this page a friend of mine used to run, one was this "war shrine" zine thing where he actually talked about a couple things i asked about like monks weapons, dharma enforcement, kshatriyas and karma, and this commune of rogue monk kids who used to go into caves to practice yoga to get "powers" listen to punk music have orgies and do hard drugs
it's mostly retarded and offensive in the sense that karma is not by any means on their side, and any knowledgeable monk/religious figure that had the disgust to meet them wouldn't bother to soil it's hands to slap their face despite it being all they deserve, and that's they being humble and compassionate.
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 12:08:43 No. 670347
>>666489 Do you have any more info about this war shrine zine?
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 22:44:34 No. 671264
>>645837 >Tempel ov Blood >le magic play wit spelling >I am supposed to be impressed >>645863 >Drakon Covenant Is that a Harry Potter LEGO™-set? (20 year anniversary for that product line, BTW!)
I know a question! Did he use Harry Potter LEGO:s to attract children?
>>645982 Like Andreas Malm?
>>646098 >NKVD cap with an anarco-smashie Nice! Gulag for the smashie then.
Sabinyak 2022-01-03 (Mon) 07:10:55 No. 671770
>>670347 not anything i want to share tbh
you can look up on schizoid buddhist nazi pages on facebook.
Sabinyak 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:29:30 No. 678473
>>677663 saw that years ago
gringos found out about shock value
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:33:27 No. 678820
>>677663 Pretty sure that's from sinister memes for sinister teens, which is a long gone fb page. Contemporary of Rapecast back in the days of AWD's peak and had a similar sense of humor to RC.
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