Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:03:02 No. 645785
<NARRATOR: Two months later, OP tragically committed suicide with two shots to the back of her head.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:08:40 No. 645794
>>645785 At this point I've done enough against them that the CIA's probably already shot me with their magic cancer gun so I might as well see it through to the end.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:10:57 No. 645798
>>645794 Okay, now you have my interest. What have you done, what have you found out? (I'm superficially acquainted with them, but never looked into them seriously.)
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:16:05 No. 645806
>>645630 is this qanon shit or is it a real conspiracy like mkultra
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:18:52 No. 645809
>>645798 I've been researching them for around 5 years so what I know would take a fuckton of posts to lay out. Trying to be humble about this but I'm more well versed on their beliefs and history and the people involved than some journalists who've written about them.
As for what I've done, not an awful awful lot but I only started directly messing with them a month ago. Trolled Myatt with reviews on his archive.org account, made all the public O9A emails unusable with mass mailing lists, got a bunch of them deplatformed from some sites and gotten most O9A books taken off of lulu, where there used to be a ton. Probably the most impressive was spooking Caracoa Coven 211, their Philippines nexion, hard enough that they shut down but that was a newish nexion with only a handful of people so again, not too spectacular.
It's very easy to fuck with these people if you know about them and are dedicated enough. Might post a QRD of O9A based on what I know later but for now just ask away, I'll probably have at least a little insight into anything you might want to know.
>>645806 It's real, these guys have been covered by mainstream news outlets and by a lot of big name antifascist activists. They're the psychos behind the Rural Peoples Party if you're aware of that whole affair.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:23:52 No. 645816
>>645809 Oh yeah, nexion = cell for the purpose of this post. Has a retarded occult explanation as well but I'll resist sperging about that for now.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:23:58 No. 645818
>>645809 Sweet!
How good have they been at infiltrating police forces? Or to turn the question around a bit, how many of them are police officers or similar? And do these people actually perform human sacrifices masked as killing perps and suspects in the line of duty?
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:25:13 No. 645820
>>645816 I'd actually love for you to sperg out about that one since I did wonder about that weird name for cell when I did (very) cursory reading on them.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:34:00 No. 645837
>>645818 It's hard to quantify but I'd guess fairly successful. I'm less familiar with the history of their infiltration of the police but when it comes to the military, that was a huge them in Tempel ov Blood publications, trying to get people to join the military as an insight role and for the purposes of culling. Combined, very weirdly and tellingly in retrospect, with a veneration of intelligence agencies and the military because they caused so much evil and death. TOB (this all applies to TOB specifically) kind of did a 180 on the usual accelerationist formula where the pursuit of evil as evil led to them supporting what this sort of Nazi usually considers ZOG.
But yeah, I think it absolutely happens and that there are probably people in the military engaging in culling. There have been quite a few pics of Niners who are enlisted and I've been in Niner groups where dudes had joined the priesthood and shit like that. They really do infiltrate.
>>645820 So a nexion is a point of connection between our causal realm and what O9A calls the acausal, which is a term from Jung. What O9A means by acausal is not what Jung means by it though and what they mean by it depends on when they're writing. Early on, Myatt said it was another dimension of spacetime that has different physical laws and different entities (the Dark Gods being one form of acausal life) and later on he tried to say no, no, I was talking about Hermeticism the whole time. Whenever O9A is writing, acausal energy, which is inherently chaotic and amoral or even anti-moral, is the cause of all life and evolution. It naturally seeps into the causal but can also be brought into the casual with magic and any point where that happens is called a nexion. A nexion can be a physical place, a group, a person, an ideology, an act.
But as you know, that's also what they call their cells, nexion. O9A has a purposefully confusing and intricate vocabulary, that's part of what they call their "labyrinthos mythologicus", which is code for being as confusing and contradictory as possible so that their type of people get interested and the sheeple get confused.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:41:04 No. 645851
>>645818 Oh yeah, forgot to answer the question of how many Niners are cops/feds. That's really the big mystery with them. I'd love to know, partially so that I can more accurately assess my chances of being carted off to some black site, but it's hard to say.
Here's what we know. David Myatt, the guy who founded the O9A, was a part of Column 88, which was one of the UK arms of Gladio. He gets out of Column 88 and immediately starts writing O9A shit. He also writes "normal" Nazi accelerationist shit on the side (he uses a pseudonym for his O9A shit that he insists isn't him but it definitely is). In the 90s one of these accelerationist texts leads directly to the London Nailbombings. He's arrested by a special taskforce from Scotland Yard, they find a ton of illegal material in his flat and then he's let go without any explanation.
We also that Tempel ov Blood, one of the American nexions of the O9A, was led by a confidential informant and was paid nearly 100k by the FBI in order to put out their literature, which included one of the most depraved novels ever written (Iron Gates) and actual drawings of kids being abused. Just the worst of the worst, if you can think of something evil then TOB promoted it at some point.
After the initial leader of the Atomwaffen Division got locked up because his Muslim buddy shot a couple other AWD members for being islamophobic and the cops found bombmaking materials in their apartment, the AWD gets taken over by this guy who calls himself Rape. Rape immediately lets in TOB people and pretty soon the Nazi doomsday cult is a satanic Nazi doomsday cult promoting every imaginable evil that's indirectly run by the feds.
In 2017 AWD is fucked hard by fed raids and the remnants rebrand as National Socialist Order. Unclear how much O9A involvement NSO has.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:48:57 No. 645863
>>645818 >>645851 Oh yeah, there's another pretty crucial piece of evidence. One of the really crucial nexions around the time of TOB's infiltration of AWD was a UK-based one called Drakon Covenant. Drakon Covenant was run by a lovely guy called Ryan Fleming. Ryan Fleming was someone who already had a record of child abuse offenses when he started posting on Iron March (he was already in contact with the leaders of TOB at this point and Drakon Covenant was already a thing). Ryan butts heads a lot with the leader of Iron March, a guy by the name of Alexander Slavros. Ryan was publicly O9A and Slavros hated O9A plus Ryan kept trying to go behind Slavros's back and worm his way into the inner circle of the site.
Time passes and a group called National Action emerges from IM. This was before AWD was formed, IM spawned a ton of groups. Ryan almost immediately becomes a key member of NA because of his IT skills. There's a scandal when it's found out that Ryan has this history of convictions for child abuse (including of a mentally disabled teen) but the NA leadership backs him totally and reportedly starts to take a kind of pride in having someone that fucked up in the group.
A while later National Action is banned as a terrorist organization and a bunch of groups pop up that are made up of the same people but have different names. One of them in particular, Sonnenkrieg Division, is pro rape, pro pedophilia, has writings about cannibalism, you can imagine the rest. And predictably it's full of Niners.
A lot of NA/NA offshoot people get locked up and Ryan gets locked up again for sex crimes. But someone who doesn't get locked up (until this year, literally ~5 years after the initial NA ban) is NA's founder Benjamin Raymond. Ryan's most recent conviction for sex crimes was also this year, also against minors, and it was his fourth offense. The sentence? 4 years iirc.
So yeah, I think there's pretty clear evidence of federal involvement but it's hard to say how much.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:51:18 No. 645866
>>645837 >>645851 Interesting shit, thanks.
I don't have your clearly admirable level of tenacity and bravado, but what are some efficient and preferably not too dangerous ways to mess with these fucks if you get some kind of half-assed opportunity (like, I dunno, you catch wind of a possible member or O9A activity or something).
Another question, have you tried or considered trying getting them exposed more widely?
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:52:11 No. 645867
This also wouldn't be the first time that feds used satanism to discredit movements or disrupt groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/09/satanic-panic-british-agents-stoked-fears-troubles If you wanna get really schizo (can I use ableist language here?) you could mention shit like Epstein too of course but this is obviously on a much lower level than that.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:52:12 No. 645868
>>645863 Why are these right wing groups always full of pedos
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:56:04 No. 645873
We’re not your personal army and we’re not going on a wild goose chase for a group that doesn’t even exist in any meaningful capacity. I know anarchists are retarded, but this is a little ridiculous even for you
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:56:52 No. 645874
>>645868 >>645863 I'm just wondering why feds would bother with this particular breed of nutcase. I mean regular fascist groups makes sense, they can be deployed against leftists with a degree of plausible deniability by the state. After all this was the entire purpose of gladio. However I don't see what they would gain by propping up the craziest of the crazy.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 21:58:06 No. 645877
>>645866 Honestly, just report their shit to hosting services, clown on Niners when you see them, let people know how dangerous and absurd this stuff is. Clown on Myatt himself (I'll link his accounts if you wanna participate). If enough people start fucking with them what's the FBI gonna do, arrest all of us?
I think the most important thing though is that the public becomes aware of these guys and becomes aware of them in the right way. They're sincerely very dangerous but painting them as a sinister neo nazi blood cult gets them the attention of exactly the sort of people they want to recruit. I haven't gone into this side of them that much itt but in addition to being dangerous they're very absurd and you have to highlight both.
https://archive.org/details/@thormynd [email protected] https://www.stormfront.org/forum/member.php?u=73481 https://twitter.com/Didadic1 He also has a religions forums account called KerriScott but I can't seem to find it again
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:03:26 No. 645892
>>645873 O9A is really good at fracturing groups it infiltrates since, predictably, most members of any organization you might pick don't appreciate pedos, cannibals, necrophiles etc. joining their organization en masse and making it all about being evil for the sake of evil. Essentially COINTELPRO but extra psychotic and amoral.
Which you might say is a good thing, we want Nazi groups to get disrupted, and I see your point. But the price we're paying for that in terms of O9A is random murders, rapes and molestations. And these people infiltrate leftist organizations too as I've said. TOB was allegedly promoting Atassa and anarcho-nihilist circles in particular get targeted by niners for infiltration. The Rural People's Party was a honeypot led by the guy who lead TOB before TOB was a thing in order to try to bait tankies.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:07:20 No. 645896
>>645892 >TOB was allegedly promoting Atassa and anarcho-nihilist circles in particular get targeted by niners for infiltration. Proof?
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:08:38 No. 645897
>>645896 I don't have the link at hand but IIRC it was Jake Hanrahan who did a thread on that on twitter. Check HeresyLabs if it turns out not to be him. HeresyLabs seems a little bit "off" to me to put it politely, which is why I say allegedly, because I can't remember which of them it was.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:12:58 No. 645902
>>645896 But in terms of anarcho-nihilism more broadly, beyond Atassa, just make a Nazi telegram account and get into an O9A group. They post Novatore all the time and are generally big fans of more violent anarcho nihilist shit because chaos = evil = good.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:18:18 No. 645905
>>645892 Considering it seems to only be infiltrating anarchists and fascists, I say let them, that is if it even exists which again it doesn’t
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:22:52 No. 645913
>>645882 People can claim whatever they want, there’s always going to be mentally ill freaks who will say and do whatever they feel like, it doesn’t change the fact that the group is a glorified larp that was abandoned by its “founder” in favor of Islam. So I’m not concerned. What IS concerning is all the so called “socialists” itt jumping at the opportunity to help the enemy
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:26:22 No. 645917
>>645913 This is absolute proof you have no clue what you're talking about. Myatt's conversion to Islam was what's called an insight role in the O9A, a period of time where you completely change your lifestyle and ideology in order to further the "sinister dialectic".
If you look at his Muslim phase (he's no longer even pretending to be Muslim btw and hasn't for over a decade) it had two phases, one where he was trying to build alliances between jihadists and nazis. And the second, after he realized the first strategy was not going to work, where he was trying to spread jihadism and direct it against Jews.
Throughout his Muslim phase, throughout his Numinous Way/ex-extremist phase and throughout his new Hebdomian Way phase he's continued to post on stormfront, promote Nazism and use O9A lingo in his writing. He's absolutely still involved in O9A behind the scenes and always was.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:29:13 No. 645920
>>645913 And I told you about the RPP, these guys fuck with tankies too. I'll (mostly) avoid taking a cheap shot at the fact that there are simply far more Anarchist groups and scenes to fuck with than there are tankie anarchist groups and scenes but again, it shouldn't matter.
These guys are anti-everybody and innocent people will continue to be savaged by them for as long as they exist. If we can't have some semblance of left unity when it comes to taking down a literal MI5/FBI child trafficking/COINTELPRO op then something is wrong.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:29:51 No. 645921
>>645920 *tankie groups and scenes
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:34:34 No. 645929
>>645863 >>645874 There is also the fact that Myatt himself was involved in a literal Gladio group, if I remember correctly called column 88, which was a fascist outfit.
He also has a bunch of connections to Ulster Loyalism which is glowed as fuck.
Also the whole idea of the insight role is basically being a fed. Its like a manual for being a fed
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 22:58:45 No. 645982
>>645917 >>645920 Ahahahahaha holy shit, are you seriously trying to invoke “left unity” as an excuse for consorting with reactionaries? Let me tell you a little secret, left unity is a lie. The left is already united under Marxism Leninism. The people championing “left unity” are only anarchists, liberals, and other anti-communist elements, and only do so as a means of subversion. How you are actually dumb enough to fall for it astounds me, but I guess these are the types of people our furfag overlords want on our site now huh?
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 23:06:37 No. 646002
>>645809 what do these guys do(online) that you can fuck with? do they have recognizable talking points or frequent 4chan? hope your wearing 7 proxies
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 23:13:23 No. 646010
Honestly i'd say no. Because these are some of the only people i fear would actually come to house and murder my family or something.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 23:32:58 No. 646039
>>646002 Besides obsessively read everything posted about them, they shill on 4/pol/ and /x/ now and then, do stuff on telegram, and have a fuckton of sites and blogs. Worse things going on I'm sure since they're all pedos. I know they've had swatting rooms and rooms where they posted videos of themselves raping women but no idea where those would be (also telegram probably).
Most of the important sites are listed on the sidebar of their main one, o9a.org.
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 23:44:30 No. 646056
>>646052 That’s a funny accusation since your kind literally owes its existence to the state department
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 23:47:20 No. 646060
>>646056 >your kind literally owes its existence to the state department What the fuck are you talking about anon?
Anonymous 2021-12-14 (Tue) 23:56:01 No. 646069
>>646060 Anarchism primarily owes its existence to the US government, as a method of dividing and weakening any resistance to capitalism, with the remaining movements then being easy to crush due to lack of centralized leadership
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-15 (Wed) 00:09:04 No. 646081
>>645873 >not your personal army Y not tho?
You don’t know what you’re talking about
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-15 (Wed) 00:10:10 No. 646083
>>646069 You know what glows is randomly inserting you’re hyper sectarian takes when adults are trying to talk about things
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 00:34:33 No. 646120
>>645630 Does anyone have info dumps of their texts? They have publications but they've been mostly scrubbed from the internet. I want to understand their thinking and ideology.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 00:36:22 No. 646123
>>646120 Also I do enjoy gawking at a bit of schizo-occult bullshit sometimes.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 00:39:46 No. 646130
>>646083 Ohohohohoho, the identityfag wants to talk to ME about being an adult. Oh man this is rich, what was Bee too busy or something?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:04:16 No. 646161
>>646120 >>646123 OP here. It's been a little bit for me and I've mostly only retained what's useful for understanding their political side or for mocking them but I'll give it a go.
They have probably tens of thousands of pages of bullshit to their name but these are the core works, all by David Myatt under his Anton Long pseudonym
The Sinister Tradition - This is actually two books, The Black Book of Satan and NAOS. TBBS is their main book on "ceremonial magic", which in O9Aspeak means groupworking ("hermetic magic" is what they call solo workings). Basically what you'd expect. Lots of black robes, lots of sex, lots of oaths of loyalty and secrecy under penalty of death, human sacrifice. NAOS is their main book on Hermitic magic, and the far more interesting of the two. About half of it is concerned with this absolutely schizophrenic game they play called the star game, which is basically 4d chess from Star Trek but irl, and is one of the main ways they practice magic (basically they say all people can be represented by tone of 9 combinations of the pieces on the boards so if you replicate someone's personality type you can cast magic on them). Also gets into the aeons and the civilizations and magical styles associated with them, basically Spengler plus a bunch of autism (did you know the civilization of Albion predates Hyperborea?). And it gives the Immortal Script, which is a set of sigils, talks about the Dark Gods a bit and gets into the causal/acausal shit.
Hostia - A compilation of various articles which were originally released in booklet form (Hostia 1-3) and then compiled into their current version. This one's all over the place. A series of letters where Myatt and Michael Aquino argue over whose "infernal mandate" is bigger. Lot of stuff on human sacrifice (which they call culling btw), lots of stuff on infiltration and manipulation, lots of stuff on aeonic magic, which is basically psychohistory from Foundation except Nazi and satanist. Interestingly, a couple articles on how O9A doesn't condone child abuse because only people over the age of 16 can prove worthless enough to cull or abuse (they also claim to be anti-patriarchy and pro-LGBT in a lot of their material). This can pretty much be discarded since Myatt himself wrote a story about molesting a girl aged 14 for O9A's private journal, Fenrir, but he still gets very mad to this day if you say that he or O9A in general are pedophiles. Oh yeah, I think it's Hostia that includes that claim that O9A's black magic caused the downfall of the USSR. Definitely the least boring and most dangerous of the O9A books I've read (besides TOB stuff when it comes to the dangerous part).
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:10:51 No. 646167
>>646120 >>646123 >>646161 Then there's the Deofel Quartet, later expanded to the Deofel Quintet. This is collected in Sinister Tales along with some of Myatt's short fiction. This is the last major O9A work I've yet to read but I know there's a lot of human sacrifice and lesbianism in it and that a lot of the protagonists are women. One of the things he likes to point to when he feels like pretending to be progressive (the lesbianism and female protags, not the culling).
The Sinister Way is another really important one but this is just a collection of The Sinister Tarot along with some articles from Hostia.
And then for Tempel ov Blood stuff there's really only two.
Liber 333 is the main TOB book. Basically the Undead Gods (same thing as Dark Gods) live behind a gate on Saturn and by doing evil shit irl to innocent people you can open that gate a little. The main thing you should do (besides crime and inspiring or engaging in terrorism) is astral whampyrism, where you use your whampyric tendril to suck out people's blood essence. That blood essence gets fed upward in the blood family (TOB) and the Blood Father (Joshua Sutter) and Blood Mistress (his wife Jillian Hoy) have the most of it but they can share it with you if you're a good boy. Like a pyramid scheme but with vampires and pedophilia. Also there's this dude called Drill Sergeant Grey who's a grey alien who wants to do BDSM to you and destroy your mind and that's a good thing. And you should only eat meat so you turn into a "lithe noctulian predator".
Then there's TOB's novel Iron Gates, which I don't wanna go into too much. Hilariously horribly written but atrocious enough that it's not too hilarious. Just about every horrible thing you can think of is in this book. Post-apocalyptic gore porn novel about an evil satanic intelligence agency brutalizing people after a nuclear war basically.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:13:19 No. 646172
>>646161 >>646167 Oh yeah and another thing from the Myatt books, the overall goal of aeonics is to found the Galactic Imperium, which will spread life to other planets before it too inevitably decays. The guy who's gonna start the process of getting us there is called Vindex, who's basically gonna be Hitler plus the Antichrist and will cleanse the earth of magianism, Myatt's word for Judaism, Christianity and leftism. He isn't necessarily going to be a he (or even white according to some stuff Myatt wrote later) but he'll kick off the current aeon (which began with the birth of Hitler) properly.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:14:35 No. 646176
>>646167 AND I forgot something about TOB. The goal of all the grey alien BDSM, keto and vampirism is to get yourself possessed by the Undead Gods so you can become a shocktrooper in their army and help burn the earth to a crisp once they're freed.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:15:12 No. 646177
You know OP I don't know if you're a veteran but back when this board was on 8chan but an actual Satanfag believing in this shit showed up and was the board's lolcow for a good few months due to all her schizoposts about Aryan intergalactic conquest and whatnot. She even was forced to post nudes since someone deliberately got a 666 get and demanded them lmao
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:18:21 No. 646181
>>646177 This thread is probably the worst place to be revealing this since Niners read literally everything that gets posted about them but I was actually a /pol/fag back in the 8chan days. I did pop in and out to troll and I caught the thread on the Rural People's Party but I don't remember an O9A e-thot. Shame that isn't archived somewhere.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:19:40 No. 646182
>>646176 >AND I forgot something about TOB. The goal of all the grey alien BDSM, keto and vampirism is to get yourself possessed by the Undead Gods so you can become a shocktrooper in their army and help burn the earth to a crisp once they're freed. So just Magik'ing yourself in to doing a school/sanagogue/workplace shooting? got it.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 01:31:46 No. 646202
>>646182 Essentially, yeah. Just be as evil as possible and start preparing to carry out terrorism as you communicate with the cult leaders on a service we make you use that turns info directly over the to feds.
It was the autistic white guy version of the FBI having an agent go to a mosque and start handing out books about jihad so they can scoop people up.
TOB's private journal, Predator, is what had those drawings of kids being abused that I mentioned in it. And that was the first thing you got directed to if you expressed interest in the group. Probably assuming too much of AWD Nazis here but like 70% of the ones who got busted were reported to have cp in their possession and I wonder if at least some of that wasn't copies of Predator.
Whole thing was a very obvious honeypot.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-15 (Wed) 02:01:49 No. 646235
>>646130 Other people in this thread have posted information, knowledgable information. You’ve posted sectarianism, ignorance and now complaining about me having a trip and that’s all. All of it useless. All of it mindless, all of it low quality, all of it toxic to the overall vibe of the board. So shhh. Unless you have something relevant or interesting to contribute. No crying about anarchists while you remain a “Marxist Leninist” online only does not count, and anyway it’s off topic.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 02:24:25 No. 646252
>>646177 Nah she wasn't O9A, iirc she thought they were bad because they did animal sacrifice, which apparently Satan doesn't support. Satanfag was part of some other neo-Nazi Satanic cult thingy, and apparently believed the Jews were literally an alien hivemind. Her beliefs were arguably weirder than O9A shit
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 02:30:37 No. 646258
>>646252 Probably Joy of Satan lol. Basically boomer O9A. Less edgy, puppeted the National Socialist Movment (US, not Colin Jordan's NSM) instead of Atomwaffen and has a geocities tier website instead of a big web of cool looking ones like O9A.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 02:37:50 No. 646268
>>646258 They make it for it by arguably being more outlandish. Gays are apparently fine and Hitler had no problem with them, but Jews are literally made of evil, aren't even human, and should be exterminated. Most Nazis aren't that mask off about genocide, usually when pressed they'll cover up with stuff about "sending people back to their homelands" and "merely" putting the Jews in ghettos. And then of course there's the shit with the aliens
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 02:41:00 No. 646271
>>646268 Lmao what's the shit with the aliens?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:05:52 No. 646290
>>646271 Take the vril pill
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:11:21 No. 646292
>>646271 Pull up a chair, this one's a doozy.
So long story short, Joy of Satan believes that Satan and his fellow demons, who also happen to be the pagan gods of the world religions, were members of an alien species called Nordics that come from the constellation of Orion. They're fighting a war against evil Nordics (angels) and the Reptilians, an evil species that wants to establish communist slave societies across all planets as a means of extracting resources. To that end, the Reptilians have made artificial species, the Greys and the Jews, both of which are soulless hive minds, Jews in particular however have the cunning of their Reptilian creators so they're actively malicious rather than just puppets.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:18:58 No. 646298
>>646292 Holy shit. The JOS vs O9A feud is so much better now. Like two mental patients arguing over which of them is Napoleon except it's about whose satanic nazi space empire is better.
>>646293 And Martinet Press were the ones publishing TOB standouts like Iron Gates, which had cannibalism, rape, necrophilia, child sacrifice and a plot to repopulate the post-nuclear war world with inbred mutants in it. Almost baffling to me that this Sutter thing only got like 3 mainstream articles and 2 of them were deleted but then I remember Mockingbird "was" a thing.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:21:45 No. 646300
>>646298 There's also the fun fact that Andrea Herrington, the woman who runs JoS, is a self hating Native American. Speaking of Iron Gates, anybody got a pdf copy of it or something? I've always wanted to read it for myself, cuz I do enjoy edgy literature.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:23:49 No. 646303
Why not do nothing instead and let them fail on their own?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:26:21 No. 646304
>>646300 I don't think there is a pdf. It's still on ebay, along with the sequel, which is even worse. But if you insist on reading it then get a P.O. box or something, I imagine it's illegal under the obscenity laws of most jurisdictions. Not that anything will probably happen, tons of people have read Iron Gates, but it's worth being careful over.
Same goes for False Prophet and Choronzon, TOB's journals, if you ever decide to read those. Bought almost all of MPs output plus Predator, the private journal, at once without knowing what to expect beyond edgy O9A stuff and I seriously wish I'd been more careful. Still half-expecting a knock on the door.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:31:28 No. 646308
>>646303 I don't think it's at all a sure thing that they will fall on their own. The Sutter thing cost them a lot of credibility in the US but they're still massively expanding in other parts of the world. Those Russian nexions that are literally trafficking kids and guns and networking with banned Nazi groups like NRM FInland are all new. As was that Filipino nexion I mentioned shutting down. There's still a ton of O9A inspired black metal coming out too.
On the other hand, if enough is done it's absolutely possible to severely cripple them, especially at the current moment. The Sutter thing has them off balance, there are signs of disagreements in the inner circle, one of the main nexion leaders in the Balkans was doxxed recently, the main O9A guy on telegram was doxxed and scared off, I and others have had a fair bit of success in deplatforming them here and there.
Also what I said earlier, the longer they exist the more people they kill, the more women they rape, the more kids they molest and the greater the chances that one or more of them slip through the feds fingers and manages to pull off a large scale attack.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:33:45 No. 646309
>>646308 Eastern European nexions rather. Russia is the center of that shit in Eastern Europe but they also have a major presence in the Baltics, in Poland, in former Yugoslavia and in Finland.
Related:
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211203-five-arrested-in-finland-over-far-right-terror-plot Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:34:37 No. 646311
>>646304 Yeah see I dont want to give any of my money to psychotic neo-nazis if I can avoid it, I emphatically refuse to buy it. Besides, like you said, I'd probably get the FBI knocking on my door.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:38:35 No. 646314
>>646311 Probably a healthier attitude than mine. Lets just say you're not missing anything. It's the literary equivalent of Salo if Salo was written and directed by a meth addict with downs.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:48:18 No. 646321
>fed-run satanic nazi group
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:52:13 No. 646327
>>646314 Oh but I enjoy schlock. You're talking to someone who enjoys a good game as Taboritsky in TNO, so pointless edge is right up my alley.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 03:59:28 No. 646330
>>646327 There is a PDF of Liber 333 and that's a lot of fun. Has everything I mentioned when talking about it earlier plus very edgy and bad fiction and some of the worst art I've ever seen. Here's Drill Sergeant Grey.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/128058615/ONA-Tempel-Ov-Blood-Liber-333 Also no pedoshit or toddler sacrifice so I'd recommend it over Iron Gates. Iron Gates has some enjoyable parts tbh but those are outweighed by how insanely fucked up other parts are. Maybe the most unpleasant shit written since Sade.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:01:49 No. 646331
>>646330 Ah damn I've already read Liber 333, read pages from it on voice chat back in the day with some friends, it was quite a laugh. It was also where I learned of the term "octoroon"
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:05:24 No. 646336
>>645630 What evidence exists for for them glowing?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:06:39 No. 646337
>>646331 Wish there was more actually enjoyable O9A writing I could recc you but Myatt is almost as repetitive as James Mason and somehow more boring despite being 10x crazier.
I'll read Sinister Tales/the Deofel Quintet later this month when I have some more time so if this thread is still up by then I'll post anything funny that I find.
>>646336 Did you read the thread?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:20:09 No. 646348
>>646337 >Did you read the thread? NTA but which posts.
I just came to say that their members are
really good at getting caught by feds.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:34:33 No. 646355
Hey anon. It shouldn't be high-risk if you're internet-based and anonymous and not revealing any (and I mean ANY) identifying info, but it would be good to start making some press packs for journalists or people wanting to carry your legacy. Get a trail and process going of proofs.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:53:19 No. 646374
Jesus fuck, they apparently also have a book called the "Rape Anthology". I'm reading through it right now and so far I've gotten to no rape whatsoever, except the assault on my eyes from having to read a /pol/tard throw a fit over Hindu mysticism because Indians are "poo skins" and thus any real Hitlerist should discard them.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:53:42 No. 646376
>>646355 Never heard of press packs and that's a good idea.
Tbh though I've spoken to a few journalists and researchers about this and to more by proxy and no naming names but a lot of the people who talk about them are weird egotists who are more concerned with getting a scoop than taking these guys down and who don't collaborate with each other. Part of it obviously is that if you're a journo looking into these guys you don't immediately trust some rando who comes along and tells you what you're getting wrong or drops you a link. But even among each other there's too much clout chasing and not enough boosting, although they do have some common channels.
A lot of the coverage does need something like press packs though. Almost all of it is some combination of sensationalist in a way that benefits O9A's narratives about themselves, overly trusting of Myatt and other O9A sources or completely unwilling to ask the question of state involvement.
The one major exception are these guys, who I'd recommend to anyone wanting to know more. They've done just as much research as me if not more and are able to balance the danger and absurdism of O9A really well. Making it clear that they're clownish losers while not minimizing them. Coincidentally I'm sure, they're committed leftists and most of the really terrible coverage of O9A comes from libs.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2bo8lhlol-5zZZKiUitMdg/videos https://www.patreon.com/tenepod/ Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 04:56:05 No. 646380
>>646374 Yeah that's a compilation of shit from the Rapecast podcast, which was a semi-parodic O9A podcast. Kind of the post-ironic approach to O9A where you meme about how ridiculous it all is but also sincerely want to rape women, smoke meth and exterminate everyone who isn't O9A (forgot to mention, these guys hate "mundane" whites too).
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:05:26 No. 646393
>>646348 >>646392 Tldr they're really good at getting suspiciously let go by feds too
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:25:49 No. 646410
>>646405 JOS apparently believes in aliens, O9A believes in a pantheon of eldritch gods beyond good and evil (but mostly they're evil) in a realm beyond time (except it just has a different kind of time but shut up, we call it acausal so it's beyond time).
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:28:30 No. 646412
>>646405 >>646410 That's another thing worth mentioning actually, they don't really believe in Satan per se. One of the Dark Gods is called Satan but he's not the figure from Christianity whatsoever, he's a giant chaos dragon that lives in the acausal and fuggs Baphomet, who isn't a goat headed intersex demon but an edgy version of the mother earth archetype, the mother of blood. Baphomet is generally who opfers (culling victims) are dedicated to iirc.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:31:09 No. 646416
>>646403 That's tene all over. Most of the O9A stuff is early on, a series of 20-25 eps, but they're in the middle of an arc on the history of American fascism that's also really really good.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:31:59 No. 646417
>>646410 Why are they so hooked on childish notions like 'Good' and 'Evil'? my 6 year old niece and her friends have a more nuanced understanding of reality than this meme shit.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:33:38 No. 646418
>>646417 Because they're psychotic perverts like 90% of hardcore fascists and they already wanted to do evil shit. It's the edgy, psychopathic version of new age crystal moms getting into western distortions of tantra because they want to fuck a lot but want it to have a spiritual sheen.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:36:20 No. 646419
>>646418 It also gives them a sense of community and validation, I'd guess.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 05:43:03 No. 646421
>>646419 That too. One thing that's really telling and disturbing about O9A is that a fucking ton of these people aren't even out of their teens. The inner circle ranges from 30s-70s but there are an awful lot of young kids getting caught up in this. Your typical bullied teens with a personality disorder or two usually. It's kind of an ideologized version of school shooter sentiments for a lot of these people, comparable to incel shit in that respect. The fucking mundane sheep just don't get that I'm better than them, a sinister wolf that's meant to prey on them like cattle.
It's absurd but where there's not total psychopathy behind it there's very real pain. Same with "normal" accelerationists and even your basic /pol/ Nazis, it's just a matter of degree. Which is why I can understand these people and even sympathize with some of them to a point.
Sabinyak 2021-12-15 (Wed) 09:20:17 No. 646510
>>645630 lmao any more damage than what b00t did to them by outing them all as transhumanists?
i'm good, i wouldn't bother with wignats and their schizo agiprop unless you have a plan to use them as an example, i personally like the colombian treatment, but outing them as faggots was a pretty good start, i mean how many of them are left after what happened back then? lmao
Sabinyak 2021-12-15 (Wed) 09:41:38 No. 646519
>>645794 you give them way more credit than they deserve
i've been involved with leaders of the local fascist organizations and they're also all terminally online faggots lmao.
just remind them that they're faggots and just watch them pull out the homo-fascism cope,
from there just remind them that veteran faggots have and will beat the shit out of their twink asses into a redemption arc
seriously, they didn't even caught with b00t before they also skeddaddled and gave up
and they haven't caught me yet
they're nice enough to invite me to their compound and i just tell them "ya, no thanks" lmao
that's quite literally their best bet. i mean that and hoping i get in prison althought, not really since i got family and friends of the family there.
i've had knives pointed at me since i was 4 years old, i was the only real muscle they ever had, the rest were all random skinny-fat incel kids who got picked from alt right spaces and the most sissy feds they could issue for these operations.
seriously, even their magic is trash since they're stuck with fourth rate hindi rituals and pseudo buddhist meditation attempts.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 10:30:48 No. 646542
>>646519 >sabinyak used to be a retarded fascist skinhead wow it all makes sense now you must have suffered permanent brain damage from those years of LARPing in the streets because your posts are abysmal
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 10:46:25 No. 646558
>>646510 be trans do praxis
Shay can be the next b00t and use their knowledge of fascist theory to infiltrate and sabotage their local atomwaifu sect and release sex tapes.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-15 (Wed) 11:32:32 No. 646580
>>646321 Is already discussed a fair amount in the eso hitler thread if I’m not mistaken this poster has posted in there
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 14:06:00 No. 646637
>>646519 >i've been involved with leaders of the local fascist organizations and they're also all terminally online faggots lmao. Of course this annoying namefag pretend-anarchist faggot is a closet fascist. pottery.
kill yourself Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 14:27:49 No. 646652
>>646510 >>646519 So are milder Nazis like Fuentes and Greg Johnson and a huge portion of the left, who cares? It's funny because of the hypocrisy but when I say psychotic perverts I don't mean trans or gay.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 14:28:48 No. 646653
>>646045 >Myatt's twitter <NOOOO ANTON LONG ISN'T MYATT. WHERE ARE THE PROOFS? <Also check out Myatt he's pretty cool. <We now follow hebdomadary and have ceased all legally questionable activities. We dindu nuffin. We're good boys now. Lmao at his damage control. Is this some kind of sinister dialectic 4D chess?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 14:32:42 No. 646658
>>646653 Imo it's Myatt having a deep psychological need to see himself as some master schemer who's a man of many faces constantly pulling the wool over the eyes of the cattle. Same reason he has like 20 pseudonyms. Unfortunately for him he's a dumbass who doesn't bother to change his writing style and he has a very identifiable one. As far as the we're peaceful now thing goes, he'd already been doing that since 2011 with Numinous Way ofc (while continuing to promote Nazism and O9A on the side) but this is even more apolitical than NW and is a result of him being tired of being associated with Atomwaffen, feds like Sutter and pedos like Fleming (despite being a pedo himself and in all likelihood a fed).
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 14:37:54 No. 646660
>>646519 >seriously, even their magic is trash since they're stuck with fourth rate hindi rituals and pseudo buddhist meditation attempts. Not sure where you're getting this from either. The main influences on their magic are WIcca and Myatt's shallow understanding of astrology and alchemy. Besides the rituals in the Black Book, which read like they're from an old Satanic Panic paperback, not a book of magic, mainly what O9A does when it comes to magic is use crystals, chant (because vibrations are magic or whatever), use their super special and evil tarot deck and play the star game. And they consider infiltration and subversion a form of magic as well.
Very little Hindu influence though. Joshua Sutter and Jillian Hoy loved Kali and Hindu aesthetics but it was like Myatt liking jihadism.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 14:41:13 No. 646663
>>646660 Also Myatt explicitly says Buddhism is useless bullshit without elaborating in The Sinister Tradition and Hostia. I suspect he's not a fan for the same reason Rosenberg wasn't but who knows. Also not an influence in any case.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 10:15:55 No. 647961
Fleming isn't a fed, he's an edgelord running a nexion around the Leeds area in the UK, you can find out a lot about these people pretty easily. You have to follow leads with National Action (UK based far-right group classes as terrorists) and you'll find who/what/where why they're in say Lithuania. You'll find them in the Balkans too, some nexion in Croatia got outed trying to infiltrate the orthodox church….if you keep looking around the Balkans you'll find some interesting 'not a murder' activity in Serbia surrounding Russian troll farms and these fuckers.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 15:01:06 No. 648182
>>648169 My bad, following up on Lithuania and National Action, links to o9a inner circles conducting pedo and terror shenanigans, which can also give you some links to Detroit too. Serbia, certainly but I think when it gets to places like that you're in the wild west so to speak, not sure how much you'll find out about that easily or if at all.
To get actionable info you kind of need to know as it's happening, chasing links around the Eastern Block and the UK is illuminating but not imo the most fruitful way of acting against them. Going to have to insight role them which is not really desirable. To get the real information you're going to have to be willing to do illegal things or be a fed. This shit gets tricky. You could befriend some dweebs who don't do shit pretty easily and go from there but things *will* need to escalate to get to a meaningful level.
Otherwise following around the usual cast of characters give you snippets. Turn out Ryan Fleming got nicked again, this time for grooming kids, which he openly posted about on fb. You can't make these fucking cunts up.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 15:18:26 No. 648202
>>648182 Yeah I'm not under any illusions that I'm going to shut them down or anything, just trying to vastly decrease their internet presence and fuck with the inner circle, who are mostly all very online. You have to be willing to do illegal shit even to research them though. Like I said earlier, some of their books absolutely qualify as violations of obscenity law in some places.
I'm assuming by Lithuania you mean Feurkrieg Division? What's their connection to Detroit?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:59:44 No. 648345
>>648202 Yes the inner circle are terminally online but trolling them imo isn't going to do much and what I mean by illegal isn't anything related to snooping, reading pdfs, what I mean is you're unlikely to be trusted unless you're participating in crimes you do *not* want to i.e. sharing CP and other heinous things. They fucking love opposition, bring angry, coming after people so please exercise some caution. The best thing to do imo is go down a rabbit hole of who knows who and out them in/on social media they're using to infiltrate etc.
Lithuania is a mix of that with ties to prominent NA figures and o9a. Like this Ivan fella who made some pals in the UK (o9a)
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2017/05/31/whatever-happened-part-111/ I can't drop too many names but I can tell you to look up an American man living in Lithuania who molested children in broad daylight during some murky circumstances that I can't talk too much about. He lived with a member of the order. He's from Detroit, I can link him to some Bad Men. This is our Detroit man in Lithuania:
https://www.lrytas.lt/lietuvosdiena/kriminalai/2019/12/11/news/po-kraupaus-ispuolio-kauno-mokykloje-amerikieti-iskrypeli-prasoma-suimti-3-menesiams-12876945 You should dig around what hope not hate has, they know a lot of these characters intimately too. Would be a bit silly of me to share too much here, sadly. Wish I could share more than I have, keep it up, there's many of us out there comrade.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:52:37 No. 648664
>>646176 Do TOB say why they want to do this?
It would seem no-one, not themselves or anyone else, has anything to gain.
>worship gods who teach you the invention of writing >and how to build cities out of clay > civilisation lasts 3,000 years >get fingered to the Romans by religious establishment >get nailed to a cross >teachings inspire civilisation lasting 2000+ years >worship Undead Gods >Earth burnt to a crisp Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:06:48 No. 648762
>>648664 Not in so many words but basically just because it's super evil. Actually, TOB/Martinet Press literature is fucking full of stuff that implies that the material is harmful to anyone who follows or practices it. Like there's an early issue of False Prophet that says that TOB is one big culling operation and its members are dross who deserve to be sacrificed. The possession stuff in L333 isn't you uniting with your higher self or anything but literally being displaced by anti-human demons and losing control of your body and mind. The dietary stuff is obviously harmful. L333 tells you to snort grave dirt, which is a terrible idea from the pov of traditional necromancy.
And L333 isn't the only TOB book to treat possession as a "good" thing either. The Black Path and Goetia Daemonium both get into that a lot. Goetia Daemonium for example says that you shouldn't use circles or banishing rituals and that you should try to become totally enslaved by the demons you summon. Jillian Hoy wrote on iirc her goodreads that she was raped and possessed by a demon when she was a teenager.
TOB members all cut and whipped themselves too and there were persistent rumors that they engaged in some pretty hardcore BDSM in their irl meetups. Also that Joshua Sutter had his pick of them, guys and girls. Not to kinkshame anyone who's sane and not in a satanic cult but when I say BDSM I'm only half-joking, it basically was a BDSM cult.
This is a really big difference between TOB writings and Myatt's writings. Myatt's all about empowerment. They both tell you to do evil shit but Myatt does it because of a vulgar Nietzschean drive towards total freedom and self-overcoming and he repeatedly says that evil is a means to an end and that eventually you should move beyond both sinister and numinous.
For TOB the evil was the only point and there was no sense of it being liberatory or leading to any kind of ultimate goal like the Galactic Imperium in Myatt. It was just an endless self-destructive spiral of depravity and insanity that ended when you were finally turned into a fleshpuppet for lovecraftian beings who want to eradicate humanity.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:09:54 No. 648770
I say was but TOB is still active somehow, even after the Sutter revelations. They just put out a new edition of Predator and a booklet called Secret Lolita Drako Noktul. If this Predator is anything like the previous three it'll have a drawing of a kid being whipped or spanked in it but if someone with a stronger stomach and more of a spine than me wants to buy it, I'm extremely curious about how it tries to frame the fact that TOB is confirmed to be an FBI operation.It's on commandantcultus's ebay if anyone feels like being a retard.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:17:08 No. 648787
>>648762 Tripleposting now but I should clarify that I don't think that there's a meaningful difference between the actual goals of Myatt and TOB. Neither can be taken at face value and both have as their real objective simply causing as much chaos as possible. How much that's motivated by Gladio/COINTELPRO type shit and how much it's motivated by Nazi accelerationism is anyone's guess but I think it's a mix and that Myatt for his part clearly actually believes in Nazism whether or not he's working with the feds. Probably an Ordine Nuovo type situation where he thinks he's using whatever intelligence agency he's working with as tools in his 300 autism score galaxybrain Nazi Hari Seldon larp while in reality they use him.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 17:12:55 No. 649645
So this is interesting and all, but my question is where does Anti-Cosmic Satanism fit into all this? As an avid black metal listener myself, there are several bands who promote the views of the Temple of the Black Light, formerly known as the Misanthropic Luciferian Order, in their music. Off the top of my head I can name Dissection and Watain but I'm sure there's others. TotBL and O9A have similarities in their veneration of the "acausal" and this idea of "advancing a sinister dialectic" aka doing "evil" to advance the cause. But while O9A seems to advance evil purely for its own sake and seeks to create a dystopia for everyone, TotBL portrays their anti-cosmic eldritch monsters beyond space and time as ultimately being a force for good, as the forces of the "causal" are led by the tyrannical Demiurge. There's other shit to compare and contrast, but is there any connection between Anti-Cosmic Satanism and O9A? And if so how much?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:39:51 No. 649778
>>649645 >O9A seems to advance evil purely for its own sake and seeks to create a dystopia for everyone This misperception is my fault but no that's TOB specifically. O9A as exemplified in Myatt does evil for the sake of evolving beyond humanity and creating an occult Nazi space empire. TOB calls for evil for the sake of evil. The two strains predictably get pretty jumbled together when you're talking about what the average O9A influenced fascist believes but in general terms they're distinct.
I'm not an expert on Anticosmic Satanism but from what I know about it, there are a few major differences and points of overlap. First and foremost, O9A as embodied in Myatt's writings isn't anticosmic. Acasual energy is chaotic, amoral and in a sense hostile to life but the Dark Gods aren't there to free you from the shackles of an earthly prison, they're there to create and evolve life within the casual. Obviously the Imperium is a causal/material goal. Another big difference is that C218/ACS uses a ton of goetia and kabbalah while O9A has thrown together an occult system it claims is completely dejudaized. Overall, ACS seems to have much more of a serious emphasis on ceremonial magic and study whereas O9A is all about getting you to go out and do real world evil. For O9A that's a big part of their "magic" and they have a lot of disdain for people who sit around reading books and doing ritual all day without doing evil in the real world.
When it comes to overlap, the main one I'm aware of is that early ACS literature used a lot of the same terminology as O9A. Causal/acausal, nexions. Fallxifer was originally a Dark God from the O9A pantheon. I'd have to read up on ACS in depth to say too much more but it's obvious that the early MLO guys were reading Myatt.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:42:37 No. 649781
>>645917 >insight role there was a post here a few weeks ago where some schizo asked to be given an insight role and listed his qualifications. i had no idea what the hell it meant, did he mistake this place for a recruiting spot?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:45:15 No. 649783
>>649645 >>649778 Another point of intersection, TOB specifically was much more syncretic than "old school" O9A and this included combining O9A with gnosticism and with ACS in particular. The Devil's Quran, The Black Path and a good deal of the stuff in Choronzon are all gnostic, some of the stuff in Chroronzon is even ACS specifically. Martinet Press also published a book from Asha Shedim, who is ACS although seemingly not particularly well regarded in that community, which tends to have disdain for O9A. I've spoken to a few anticosmic practitioners and they tend to see all the shit about politics, "aeonic magic" and insight roles as a focus on mundane things to the exclusion of the rigorous ceremonial magic that it takes to free you from the cosmic prison.
But just to emphasize this point, the differences between TOB and "traditional O9A" were aesthetic. These people all knew each other behind the scenes, they were all working towards the same ultimate goal, they participated in projects together. The narrative that there's a "good O9A" represented by Myatt, Chloe and the ABG Lodge and a "bad O9A" represented by TOB and Drakon Covenant is complete nonsense. All the people in the former camp have either written pro-pedophilia works of their own or published pro-pedophilia works and all of them call for terrorism and crime.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:46:18 No. 649785
>>649781 That or this place gets shilled by Niners and one of them told a newbie to come here to get their instructions. They do shill /x/ and /pol/ pretty hard. What were his qualifications?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:50:06 No. 649788
>>649785 something about journalism i think? i thought he was a lost boomer or a clumsy fed, all i remember is thinking "what the hell is 'Insight Role(ONA)'"
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:53:45 No. 649793
>>649788 The only thing that makes me think it probably was someone who was lost is that in Myatt you choose your insight role yourself, it's not given to you. There's a lot of talk about guidance from people who are further along the sevenfold way (the O9A path/initiatory system) than you are but he repeatedly says the most they can do is offer wisdom and advice, not marching orders. But that could very well have been modified in some private O9A groups, I'm not in all of them.
As I said about their infiltration of anarcho-nihilist scenes or the RPP, it's very much not unheard of for these guys to try to infiltrate leftist spaces. Do you get many posters calling for violence and terrorism?
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 18:56:05 No. 649798
>>649793 >Do you get many posters calling for violence and terrorism? This is a shit metric. Many people are pro violence, etc. and it's not helpful to go the lib way of pretending anyone who does is a agent provocateur/undercover/or now, '09A agent.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 19:00:44 No. 649808
>>649798 Granted but the way in which Niners do it is usually pretty obvious if you know what to look for. They tend to be shit at actually reading up on the groups they try to infiltrate so anything that calls for violence in the context of a serious, reasoned analysis you can pretty much rule out. Anything latching onto the edgiest parts of leftism with little content besides that, especially if it's presented in an aestheticized way, might be Niners.
As I said, it's not some ridiculous conspiracy theory, they fuck with online communities all the time. They're infamous for it in satanist and fascist circles, they target occult boards like /x/ and /fringe/ a lot and they used to do it to everyone when they were on fbi.gov. I think I mentioned earlier having spoken to Ryan Fleming. That was in an O9A fbi.gov server that did Jonestown themed ops to try to psyop Christians and Marxists into killing themselves. Good example of what I mean about them being very unsubtle.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 19:02:24 No. 649814
>>649808 Heh. I mean d1sc0rd assuming there's anyone reading who doesn't know the word filters here. They're probably still on fbi.gov.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 04:20:45 No. 650369
>>649808 >>649814 i've actually seen some of these types on /lit/ and in some /lit/ dickswords, although they're a bit more muted and self-aware on there. they're still massive cancerous shitters though
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 04:51:39 No. 650409
>>650369 Yeah, /lit/ too. Haven't gone there in ages so I'm not sure how active they are these days but there was a massive O9A thread years back that clearly had Niners shilling it.
Also that /lit/ schizo e-boy might be a Niner. Did a review of Hostia or The Sinister Tradition, I forget.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 05:09:26 No. 650434
OP here again (I'm most of the posts in this thread). If anyone wants they can email me at
[email protected] Been reading the old esoteric nazism threads and there were mentions of trying to get some common channel together to research these guys, which is something some people I sometimes help with research have been talking about as well. The high level journos who talk about O9A already have common channels as I said earlier but it would be nice to have something available to regular people. Seems to be a good amount of people here with.
If something already exists I can probably get a vouch or two to prove I'm not a Niner or whatever if a full thread of me airing O9A dirty laundry isn't enough.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 05:11:01 No. 650439
>>650434 *people here with knowledge of O9A
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 06:30:32 No. 650618
Nobody has brought up the Jimmy Savile (infamous nonce celebrity) connection? IIRC both were members of a cult in Leeds that was lead by a "dark matriarch" that Myatt had an illegitimate child with.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 06:46:38 No. 650641
>>650409 There was an e-celeb from Leeds who made extensive use of O9A imagery while doing book themed skits. Leeds, for one reason or another, is the hotspot for esoteric noncery in the UK.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 06:52:17 No. 650648
>>649778 >>649783 Hmm, I see. My primary point of interest of intersection between Current 218 and O9A was in the form of politics, such as they're represented. While O9A in general seems to favor some kind of fascist hellscape, cobbled together with other bits of extremism from other ideologies they found edgy, the TotBL types are a little harder to pin down. From what I've seen doing a search on them, many do support fascist and/or social-darwinist ideals and some seem to like Nazi symbolism, but on the other hand you have the frontrunner for Watain coming out vocally against Nazism largely because he correctly identifies that people like him would be among the first in the camps. Part of the reason why they're a bit harder to pin down ideologically I think is due to the consequence of embracing Gnosticism and spiritualism, while they have a similar outlook to the "sinister dialectic" in practice in terms of using "evil", the fact that they largely ignore worldly constructs means that they probably find all that "insight role" shit pointless.
Maybe I'm just rambling and being an idiot, but depending on the ideological leanings of ACS types, they could actually make for a decent ally against O9A, the natural bonus being that they'd have an in depth understanding of the occult that many of us lack.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:02:04 No. 650668
>>650618 Completely unconfirmed afaik and it depends on buying into O9A's ridiculous founding myth. Myatt claims O9A was a merger between three esoteric orders, Camlad, the Noctulians and the Cult of the Sun or some shit like that. First and only time I've seen the Saville thing claimed is on that /lit/ thread, where someone posted a probably shopped picture of Saville in occult robes and said he was a member of one of those alleged pre-O9A. Except we have absolutely zero reliable evidence for their existence besides Myatt's word.
Saville did however write an article for the Process Church of the Final Judgement's magazine and they were another fascistic occult group that glowed brighter than the sun. Manson also wrote an article for them. And not just that, Manson lived near them at one point, stayed at a crashpad they frequented at another, claimed to know their founder, and was visited by two of them after being arrested.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:09:21 No. 650678
>>650668 >Process Church of the Final Judgement Wasn't there a splinter group from that one that would kill dogs and put their corpses in public places? Or am I thinking of something else
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:11:36 No. 650681
>>650648 I'd really need to read their major works before commenting any more on what they believe but I agree, anyone that hates O9A is worth working with in at least a limited way as far as I'm concerned. I've talked to ACS people before though and beyond giving out info they don't really do much. Thing that makes them dislike O9A also makes them dislike anti-O9A activities, they see it all as pointless ime. I've repeatedly read that ACS has its own ties to the far right though so maybe that was just the ones I talked to, hasn't been a ton or anything.
The best allies I've found in terms of trying to mass report O9A shit have been redditors but I got shadowbanned for doing that.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:16:50 No. 650688
>>650678 Doesn't ring a bell to me but 90% of my knowledge about the Process comes from reading about Manson. Impossible to overstate just how much they show up in that case.
I do know though that they had a lot of narratives spun about them later on after they'd officially broken up. One of the books that officially kicked off the Satanic Panic, Maurry Terry's The Ultimate Evil, was about the Process as an omnipotent satanic cult responsible for the Son of Sam murders and other serial killings. Also said they'd infiltrated the government and shit.
The Satanic Panic is an entirely different rabbithole and I'd have to check out Terry to make a judgement on what he claims but in general I think most of those SP writers were feds or grifters and that the SP itself was an op designed to mystify other ops, similar to what UFOs are to advanced aeronatuics R&D or what qanon might be to Epstein. So I'm skeptical to say the least.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:27:04 No. 650708
>>650668 Does O9A intentionally spread mythological history to make them seem more important than they are? I remember reading about the Savile thing on /x/ shortly after the scandal broke, I don't know if the archives go that far back. But I've also seen people claim that ISIS was the invention of Myatt's manipulative genius, which was probably started by himself.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:29:36 No. 650712
>>650700 I'd implore you to read deeper into the Manson case than Wikipedia.
Here are my sources, all mainstream:
Helter Skelter by Bugliosi
Manson in His Own Words by Nuel Emmons
The Family by Ed Sanders (2nd edition, after he lost the libel lawsuit and cleaned it up)
Tate Labianca Radio
Interviews with the Family members themselves
Been a while since I did my deep dive into Manson but I can almost guarantee I know much more about the case than you do.
>>650708 Yeah, they do. On some of Myatt's blogs (which are written as if they're by other people of course) he spreads the theory that he's some CIA superspy. He even talks about the Gladio connection. They spread almost anything that makes them look mysterious and intriguing to psychopaths.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:32:00 No. 650719
>>650704
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:35:08 No. 650721
>>650712 Oh and The Manson File, which was edited by Nicholas Shreck, another occult fascist, but is a great resource.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:43:13 No. 650729
I remember taking a dive into this rabbithole years ago, but I forgot most of it. The funniest memory was a blog where a bunch of Satanists whined about the O9A members being too gossipy and mean to each other to function, undermining the solidarity of the whole "movement" of Satanists who hate morality. And apparently the Temple of Set (which I think was openly run by a US intelligence guy who had a flamboyant evil persona) and the O9A hate each other for reasons I don't remember.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 07:54:45 No. 650735
>>650719 yeah i deleted that
also, reading the wiki article about their beliefs, it lines up so well with a bunch of shit that gets shilled on /lit/. also, i remember someone threatening another poster (a kind of leftist) on there that they were part of a group keeping an eye on the poster and planning to kill them
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 09:03:05 No. 650827
>>650735 >i remember someone threatening another poster (a kind of leftist) on there that they were part of a group keeping an eye on the poster and planning to kill them That's literally just called a shitpost anon. Weird to make this connection.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 09:37:47 No. 650856
>>650827 maybe. would be a weird shitpost though
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:40:27 No. 651129
>>650735 Posted before it showed that it was deleted.
I'm not saying they still exist btw. If you see Process aesthetics or writings being shilled these days it's probably also Niners, since they promote it, or did when they were in control of AWD. There have been a couple of attempts at reviving the actual PCFJ but nothing that's stuck as far as we know.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:50:32 No. 651136
>>650731 Oh it gets even better. You see, Orion also stands for "Our Race Is Our Nation" which is the core tenet of national socialism according to these guys, and it makes that acronym because Satan and his demons know that the Fourth Reich will be born in America and have English as the global language. Dunno why it took four Reichs for one to stick, but it probably has something to do with the four arms of the equal sided cross or whatever
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:55:01 No. 651138
>>651129 >AWD >PCFJ what do these mean
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 16:57:46 No. 651142
>>651138 Atomwaffen Division and Process Church of the Final Judgement
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 22:12:19 No. 651629
Nothing but backwashed Nietzche and pseudo-intellectual posturing masking self-indulgent degeneracy. Forget gulags. Firing squads are a more appropriate treatment for these scum.
Sabinyak 2021-12-19 (Sun) 03:42:43 No. 651955
>>646578 LMAO THE FUCKING BAMBI SLEEP
>>646660 I actually found a lot of tibetan war magic stuff
i still like that a bit but i already have Santa Muerte right here so i don't feel like i need to go that far as of lately
i actually recall them not liking wicca stuff despite the fact they're pretty much following wiccas, so there's that. they're still retarded
>>646558 i mean seeing how their latest stunt was a literal mixed race clown i really wouldn't bother with them unless i just wanted to mess with them for fun.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 10:27:27 No. 656512
Forgot to post the actual link to report their main site at.
https://www.dreamhost.com/legal/abuse/ Address to report is
https://o9a.org . That goes down and their entire online presence is in disarray
Anonymous 2021-12-29 (Wed) 23:31:58 No. 666175
bump cuz this was interesting
Sabinyak 2021-12-30 (Thu) 00:55:31 No. 666255
>>666175 it was the gayest thread not necessarily a bad thing but it was not as interesting as much as it was gay
Anonymous 2021-12-30 (Thu) 01:12:30 No. 666266
>>651955 >tibetan war magic stuff post some
Sabinyak 2021-12-30 (Thu) 05:17:57 No. 666489
>>666266 you see i'm lazy so i don't have a lot since i got rid a lot of the shit i had from this page a friend of mine used to run, one was this "war shrine" zine thing where he actually talked about a couple things i asked about like monks weapons, dharma enforcement, kshatriyas and karma, and this commune of rogue monk kids who used to go into caves to practice yoga to get "powers" listen to punk music have orgies and do hard drugs
it's mostly retarded and offensive in the sense that karma is not by any means on their side, and any knowledgeable monk/religious figure that had the disgust to meet them wouldn't bother to soil it's hands to slap their face despite it being all they deserve, and that's they being humble and compassionate.
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 12:08:43 No. 670347
>>666489 Do you have any more info about this war shrine zine?
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 22:44:34 No. 671264
>>645837 >Tempel ov Blood >le magic play wit spelling >I am supposed to be impressed >>645863 >Drakon Covenant Is that a Harry Potter LEGO™-set? (20 year anniversary for that product line, BTW!)
I know a question! Did he use Harry Potter LEGO:s to attract children?
>>645982 Like Andreas Malm?
>>646098 >NKVD cap with an anarco-smashie Nice! Gulag for the smashie then.
Sabinyak 2022-01-03 (Mon) 07:10:55 No. 671770
>>670347 not anything i want to share tbh
you can look up on schizoid buddhist nazi pages on facebook.
Sabinyak 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:29:30 No. 678473
>>677663 saw that years ago
gringos found out about shock value
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:33:27 No. 678820
>>677663 Pretty sure that's from sinister memes for sinister teens, which is a long gone fb page. Contemporary of Rapecast back in the days of AWD's peak and had a similar sense of humor to RC.
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