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 No.645634[View All]

Why capitalism works in Japan?
It's like the only developed country where most people are okay with capitalism and the leftism is totally dead.
>inb4 muh biggest communist party
It's totally irrelevant with zero influence on anything. It's a big joke in Japan
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 No.658711

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 No.658716

>>645634
Probably has to do with the half century of reconfiguration fo Japanese society to be a pro-US anti-Communist bulwark in Asia.

 No.658719

>>645691
the kawaii shit has actually saturated japanese society and it really can be quite insidious. Imagine for a minute american politicians but they sold their policies with moe mascots and idiotic overly cute behaviors. Like if AOC acted like some moronic airheaded idol. You'd want to kill yourself.

 No.658763

>>658719
How did. Kawaii even get popular in Japan? Their traditional art has minimal sentimentalism.

 No.658779

>>658763
we've got an oriental art critic in here

 No.658787

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Japan actually is said to have copied elements of the Soviet planned economic system, until they sort of got forced to eventually stop because of Burgerstan. Before the USSR's disappearance, capitalist "realism" hadn't yet set in, and quite a few nations followed the development methods of the Soviet Union, even if they weren't always part of the global socialist bloc. Haz uses this in part to argue the whole "socialism has already been the case" thesis, agree with it or not. Anyways, the modern economies of the world probably have to acknowledge that they took some lessons of the Soviet Union and that the meme of the free market state of affairs hasn't been true for quite some time.

 No.658789

>>658763
One of the theory is that kawaii is a direct contrast to wartime militarist aesthetic.

 No.658798

>>658787
but then with this line of reasoning we have to thank the other inspirations too

like the whole export oriented dirigsme model also came from the german empire, but the funny fucking thing is

this model even existed before that and the fucking anglos invented it during the british empire in the 1700s. After all uk had the highest tarriffs, good export promotion and decent amount of gov intervention during their rise. BUt for some reason people dont talk abut this

 No.658812

>>658706
>but this isnt the full picture either, a lot of the heavy industry was damaged.

Nah, Americans were bombing civilians. Just like in Germany, Allies were destroying first and foremost civilians, because usually industries were protected with AA, at least rudimentary AA. This, and Allies wanted spoils of war, not to get on their hands useless excess population they need to feed.

USSR was more humane - they did the other way around, destroying heavy industry over civilians.

 No.658822

>>658812
but then how did industrial production in japan get castrated a lot to the point it was a massive problem post war

 No.658831

>>658719
>Like if AOC acted like some moronic airheaded idol.
You mean she isn’t already? :^). But seriously Cruz being kawaii would be hilarious.

 No.658839

It's not the main cause, but quite some time ago the Japanese New Left did execute some major spergout operations that scared many normal people.

>>646310
The intersection of orientalism and consoomerism it quite is.

>>646224
Junko Furuta's story is seriously some tragic stuff. It does break one's heart to recall the depravity she was subjected to, and even more so when one is informed that allegedly the parents of the perpetrators refused to intercede for her sake.

 No.659171

goddd yess tell me what to believe, d-list eceleb

 No.659195

Because it capitalizes off some cultural trait in the Japanese that drives them to work themselves to death or face social stigma. Unlike other countries for which the touch of neoliberalism assimilated, Japan, perhaps because its homogeneity and ethnocentrism, has preserved some vestige of its traditional culture. This culture is very hierarchical and conformist. It's as if the major corporations in Japan are like feudal clans, with the CEO being daimyo and the businessman samurai retainers and workers ashigaru levies. To not work is seen as shameful, and to work for one of these big name corporations is seen as the epitome of success . Unlike the western capitalist countries, in which one works for oneself, it almost seems that in Japan one works for society, or works for the company, first and foremost. As this is a sign of a diligent and conscientious contributor even though it is really a form of exploitation. In this way, capitalist exploitation of labor is veiled and sublimated by cultural norms and expectations.

 No.659197

Because it capitalizes off some cultural trait in the Japanese that drives them to work themselves to death or face social stigma. Unlike other countries for which the touch of neoliberalism assimilated, Japan, perhaps because its homogeneity and ethnocentrism, has preserved some vestige of its traditional culture. This culture is very hierarchical and conformist. It's as if the major corporations in Japan are like feudal clans, with the CEO being daimyo and the businessman samurai retainers and workers ashigaru levies. To not work is seen as shameful, and to work for one of these big name corporations is seen as the epitome of success . Unlike the western capitalist countries, in which one works for oneself, it almost seems that in Japan one works for society, or works for the company, first and foremost. As this is a sign of a diligent and conscientious contributor even though it is really a form of exploitation. In this way, capitalist exploitation of labor is veiled and sublimated by cultural norms and expectations.

 No.659198

>>659197
Oops my bad about the double post

 No.659246

>>658822
Restructuring. Again, Japan pre-war had no civilian heavy industry, it was all military projects that arose due to heightened Japanese imperialism in 1930-40s. Before the crisis hit hard in 1920s, Japan had mainly light industries dependent on buying foreign supplies, so, clothes, dyes, cheap manufacturing, stuff like that. After 1920s, when Japan was faced with heightened competition and the need to expand militarily, Japan started creating it's own heavy industries, including supply base in Manchuria and Korea.

 No.659258

>>658711
I’m not a leftist. I’m a communist. Anyone who calls themself a leftist, instead of a communist, anarchist or anything else is a liberal playing dress-up.

 No.659320

>>658822
They moved it to Korea and Manchukuo.

 No.659426

>>659195
This pattern is even more pronounced in South Korea, which scores low on metrics of individualism, extremely high in uncertainty avoidance (which is a measure of traditionalism and rule-following behavior), and extremely high in long-term orientation (the tendency to prepare for the future rather than live for the moment. It also scores low in indulgence, which is the willingness to engage in discretionary expenditures for hedonistic pleasure.

I think these factors explain the effectiveness of capitalism in Asian countries despite the cultural differences in western countries. And it may reflect a more stable and durable form of capitalism in contrast to the west.

Low levels of individualism essentially mean that large, integrated corporate structures are amenable to the culture. Uncertainty avoidance lends itself toward compliance toward these structures and therefore their firm sociopolitical embedding. Most of all, the very high long term orientation is the logic of the capital accumulation of investment.

So Asian capitalist economies have a more "slow and steady wins the race" toward capital, in which they invest in and build up a steady capital framework through thrift and diligence. This is in stark contrast to a country like the USA which has almost completely inverted cultural profile. It scores very high in individualism, lower in uncertainty avoidance, lower in long-term orientation, and higher in indulgence.

American capitalism is characterized by risky gambling, finantial speculation, and the selfishness and greed of individual investors destabilizing the entire economic system. Hence why the US is almost always the epicenter of market crashes. Asian countries have an entirely different, culturally adapted form of capitalism which is more rational.

Also I am aware of that asian countries aren't completely collectivist ant colonies that consist of drones diligently gathering a pile of crumbs for the hive to survive the winter and that there are many exceptions. But certainly in terms of their business culture they have a more strict hierarchical and collectivized set of norms.

The key point is that the risk aversion and long term orientation of many Asian economies lends itself toward a more stable and steady form of capitalism which insulates it from wild market fluctuations and speculative bubbles.

Of course, I know full well about the 1986-1991 Japanese asset bubble which displayed the symptoms of American style speculation on asset prices. And the troubles in China's real estate market today. This is still capitalism and as such these instabilities are inescapable. The point is that they may be less frequent and less destabilizing (more solvable) in these countries because of how they have culturally integrated capitalism in contrast to the free-wheeling west.

BTW data was taken from this Finnish "cultural analytics firm" and may be bullshit but it certainly comes across as intuitive.

https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country/south-korea/

 No.659669

>>659426
it should be noted that this east asian unique style of capitalism only appeared vvhen these states vvere the most dirigsme.

After financial and economic liberalization tho after the 1980s, these states started taking in a lot of characteristics of vvestern regimes.

like besides the japanese financial bubble in sk there was also the increasing unstability of the sk financial system that in many ways had simmilar problems to the american system

so yeah

 No.659671

>like besides the japanese financial bubble in sk there was also the increasing unstability of the sk financial system that in many ways had simmilar problems to the american system

goddamn i forgot to put the comma

like besides the japanese financial bubble in sk, there was also the increasing unstability of the sk financial system that in many ways had simmilar problems to the american system

 No.659672

goddamnit i put the comma in the vvrong place

like besides the japanese financial bubble, in sk, there was also the increasing unstability of the sk financial system that in many ways had simmilar problems to the american system

 No.659675

>>659669
>>659672
Just curious, why do you type the letter W as vv (two V's)?

 No.659679

>>659675
my vv is broken or rather not that responsive

sometimes i can get it to type vv but that takes uh a vvhile

so i decided fuck it im using tvvo vs

 No.659684

>>659679
why not just buy a new keyboard, it's not like they're expensive

 No.659685

>>659679
Damn… rip to the homie

 No.659687

>>659684
because its a laptop and uh well trying to replace this laptops keyboard is uh vvell gonna be hard

and before you say vvhy not usb keyboard tho, m9 im not gonna vvaste one of my usb slots for that

plus trying to use a usb seperate keyboard is not exactly great vvith a laptop

>>659685

my life is pain

 No.659695

>>659687
yeah I thought it was a pc

 No.659737

>statistics
>statistics about public opinion
Oh boy.

 No.659850

>>659687
Phonepost you cuck

 No.660363

>>659679
Why dont you just use the inbuilt assistence onscreen keyboards, or ctrl c/v the letter w, or just bind it to key no one ever uses?

 No.660364

>>658719
Show me 5 EXAMPLES of this happening. Why do people make bullshit up on the internet?

 No.660365

>>660364
orientalism and reddit

 No.660366

>>658719
Show me 5 EXAMPLES of this happening. Why do people make bullshit up on the internet?

 No.660368

>>659426
East asian capitalists benefitted heavily from China opening up and China's willingness to work for foreigners. Just like Taiwan is 100% dependent on China for everything, so are Japan and South Korea. Those were buffer states ala Yugoslavia, full of retarded problems, but nonetheless benefitting from both worlds' trade.

>And the troubles in China's real estate market today


There's no troubles in China's real estate market.

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 No.661108

Their corporate elite are nationalists and put their nation's interests first, even before competition. Japanese corporations work together against foreign corporations. That's why people love them.

 No.661111

>>661108
before people attack you on this i gotta say there is evidence for this during the 1950s and 1970s but thats because the miti put companies in a lease to the point it forced them to be nationalistic

but once economic and political liberalization happened heh well lets just say japanese companies started moving out from japan

 No.661405

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>leftism is totally dead.
I mean, not really, but it was weakened after students got suppressed and politicians murdered.

 No.661560

>>645688

Then why do they support capitalism?

 No.661589

>>661560
Because most people are apathetic about their society and just go with the flow. The boom times are over, and those times were a carryover of an extremely militarized Shows era where they simply redirected the spirit of dying for your emperor in battle to working to death for your company. But now that doesn't bear fruit as even their former Korean and Taiwanese colonies have better electronics and chip manufacturing. So most people just keep their head down and hope they can keep their job, while they slave away slowly while munching on convenience store food.

 No.661597

>capitalism works because a public opinion poll in a country filled with people too scared to stand out says so
Embarrassing thread.

 No.662263

>>661108
literal idealism.

 No.662312

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 No.662316

>>645654
>the US is just .4 points behind japan in the ranking of suicides.
geez, no wonder the eats so much junk food and america first ideological babble, it's to hide the pain.

 No.679726

>>645634
Very weird for France

 No.679741

>>645634
>where most people are okay with capitalism
What a joke. They have designated suicide streets to cope with capitalism.

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