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 No.64580[Last 50 Posts]

Hello everybody.
It seems a coup is being carried out in Myanmar, but i can't find the politics behind it.
Here a tweet explaining the events:
https://twitter.com/GerberaOf/status/1356157718218727426


Please post sources (better if socialist leaning ofc) and thoughts about it.
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 No.64584

File: 1612177504668.jpg (360.05 KB, 900x660, kisspng-burma-state-seal-o….jpg)

I know the military government between 1962-1988 claimed to be following the "Burmese road to socialism". Don't know the current political leanings of the Burmese military
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 No.64587

>>64584
I heard it was almost as autistic as Pol Pot tenure but i don't really know if it's true.

It seems liberals are unhappy with this coup though:
https://twitter.com/AmnestyThailand/status/1356196148281626632

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1356138619019341826
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 No.64657

>>64584
Basically actually existed barrack socialism. A project filled to the brim with xenophobia, ethnic nationalism in a country full of ethnic tensions. Imagine Hoxha but a complete theorylet. It went as well as you might expect.
>>64580
The Myanmar government have been powerless for years and the country is just continuing the military warlordism as before. Democracy there is the biggest sham in SEA.
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 No.64668

>>64587
>https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1356138619019341826
if libs are unhappy then that means this is a good thing
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 No.64671

>>64668
libs were also happy when fascism was destroyed.
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 No.64672

>>64671
fuck i forgot about that
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 No.64673

>>64584
It was a complete mess by the end. It wound up collapsing after Ne Win decided to demonetize most of their cash, leaving only numbers divisible by 9 because he thought they were lucky. (and wiping out a ton of savings in the process.)
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 No.64674

>>64673
<Numbers divisible only by 9
Unfathomably based
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 No.64679

What the fuck is burma and meowmar and why the fuck haven't they been nuked yet? They all seem like degenerate subhumans who are in a state of constant war and I've only heard bad things about that place(GET THIS HOTHEAD OUTTA HERE)
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 No.64681

>>64679
Woah, woah, do you know how mad were going? If you don't know what a meowmar is, why don't you hold off with the harsh condemnations until you learn a bit more?
Take a chill pill, comrade.
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 No.64683

What is the most anti-imperialist side in this conflict? I need to know in order to inform my internet politics regarding Myanmar
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 No.64688

>>64683
These are the most based faction as of now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wa_State

That said the situation on the ground is reactionary vs liberals chimping out, like in Thailand.
No side cares about the people.
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 No.64703

Right, so here's some background: it's not complete because I am not an expert in this, but as a bong they used to drill Aung San Suu Kyi into our heads growing up.
So in 1988, there was an uprising against the "Socialist" Junta in Burma called the 8888 Uprising. It failed, and was violently suppressed, but also caused a regime change within the ruling Junta. A coup ousted the faux-ML Junta and replaced it with the "State Peace and Development Council", which was just a nakedly open military regime (the military in Burma operate more like a political movement in of themselves rather than as an institution of the state, post-Sadat pre-Arab Spring Egypt, Rhee Era South Korea, or I guess Showa era Japan are the best comparisons: however unlike those states they lack a competent external military threat). Aung San Suu Kyi was a major leader in the 8888 uprising, and to legitimise themselves and the fall of the "Burmese Path to Socialism", the Junta held elections: which they hoped their own political party (yes the military has its own political party) would win. Instead Aung San Suu Kyi won by a landslide, leading to her house arrest and the invalidation of the elections. From this period until 2011, she was kept under house arrest and was seen by the outside world (especially Britain) as a martyr of democracy (I cannot stress how much we were taught about her, the fact she always listened to Radio 4 or how it was big news when she got released or how she suddenly became an honorary doctor of like half of our universities). So she is released in 2011, and the constitution impediment not allowing her to stand (they ruled anyone with children who have a foreign citizenship cannot stand to be Prime Minister, this was specifically targeted at her because her kids held british passports because her husband was british) was removed and everyone was like "Yay democracy has come to Myanmar let's all rejoice". The military signed a deal where no matter what, their political party would maintain 25% of the seats in congress minimum for the record. She won the 2015 election, and became PM. Then what started was the Rohingya genocide.

See under the Burmese Junta, they had done two major things: first was try to build an ethnostate in a country that contains a lot of ethnic minorities from the region sometimes referred to as "Zomia" (there is a fight over this even exists, sufficient to say, the mountains contain a lot of non burmese people), the second was it tried to tie this burmese national identity inherently to buddhism: in a country with many historical minorities dating back centuries. One of these minorities are the muslim Rohingya. The descendants of bengali muslims that settled in the south-west coastal regions, known as Arakahn. For some reason, the British Raj had the big brain idea to have this Muslim, Eastern Indo-Aryan speaking peoples attached to the mostly Buddhist (in the populated coastal areas) Burmese speaking province (that would become Burma). The Rohingya had long argued for succession or union with East Pakistan-Bengal, but it didn't really get bad until the 8888 uprising. A major result of the uprising was the spawning of a fucktone of gurilla groups, which as we all known from Vietnam history class, are very hard to put down in SE Asia. Most of these were geared towards democratisation, some form of marxism, ethno-religious autonomy, but the Rohingya were unique in that they were so different so often pushed for outright succession. This meant that the Burmese state often targeted them the hardest because, to put it simply, they could get away with it. It's actually kinda amazing that the Rohingya never developed into wahhabism or some other form of islamism during this time. AQ and other groups tried to infiltrate it, but never got far. Anyways, as a result of the burmese state attacking these people, and then striking back with crude terror bombings, this created a radical form of ethno-buddhism, which targeted islam as a "foreign religion" that needed to be purged to preserve peace and order. That's right, buddhist religious extremists. So what happens when Aung San Suu Kyi, postergirl of democracy takes over? Well the military ease their control of law and order in the country, which allows these buddhists extremists to launch pogroms against the Rohingya and other smaller muslim groups. This has created one of the worst refugee crises of the 21st century, currently 1-1.5m Rohingya live in refugee camps in Bangladesh, another 500k in Pakistan (this is more than the current number left in Burma itself), all the while the world, and most importantly Aung San Suu Kyi, did nothing.

Now it appears the military are removing her, for what reason? I actually don't know. It might just be that they see a chance to take her out without the world doing anything, and thus restore themselves to absolute power once again. The military got shat on in the elections last year, and people generally approve of Aung San Suu Kyi (it's worth noting that 70% of people think the country is going in the right direction, while doing actual ethnic cleansing). But yeah, fuck Aung San Suu Kyi, but this Burmese junta is only going to be worse: expect things to get very very bad.
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 No.64704

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 No.64731

I'm also noticing a massive silence on this event from socialists of all kinds, while liberals are screaming from the top of their lungs against it.
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 No.64736

>>64731
It's a profoundly confusing event for Twitter contrarians: On the one hand the Junta arguably overthrew a socialist government, on the other hand the west generally doesn't like the Junta. The first calls for opposition, the second for support.
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 No.64737

>>64703
Sounds like the country just needs to be removed entirely.
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 No.64765

>>64737
Cruel irony is that actually this is one of the cases where colonialism didn't create a bullshit state. Burma, within its modern borders, is mostly based on historic kingdoms that dates back 1,000s of years. It is an organic entity, which makes it even more dangerous to itself and others.
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 No.64769

File: 1612188676091.png (94.31 KB, 831x644, pixy the hedgehog.png)

>>64737
That's all countries though
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 No.64797

File: 1612190304131.png (185.23 KB, 1589x787, bcp.png)

i'm confused
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 No.64812

>>64681
shut the fuck up subhuman tranny janny(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.64819

>>64812
>Ban evades just to get banned again
Sad!
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 No.64828

Does America and the rest of the capitalist bloc actually intend to undo the coup?
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 No.64879

>>64731
I don’t blame anyone who don’t know what is going on. Coups are pretty common in this region but there isn’t a clear reason why the military would pull one now.
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 No.64962

From what I understand, the Burmese/Myanmar military are basically all huge drug dealers, just as big if not bigger than the most infamous Mexican cartels. That probably fits into it.
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 No.64975

>>64828
They left Myanmar alone for 2 decades before, you'd maybe get some individual sanctions but that would be it. You will hear a lot about it in the bong media because Suu Kyi is a big name but she's lost any positive cred she had for you know not stopping an actual genocide.
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 No.64986

>>64975
if the Suu Kyi government was incredibly weak and couldn't stop ethnic persecution done by the military? Why would the military remove her if she wasn't a threat to them?
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 No.64999

>>64703
thank you very much anon this was very helpful
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 No.65000

>>64986
>Why would the military remove her if she wasn't a threat to them
>wasn't
That's where you fucked up. Biden and his retinue are taking up the activist pro-"""democracy""" foreign policy script right where Obama left off. A coup makes perfect sense in case "wasn't" isn't anymore. Listen to Reuters mashing the squeal button like the PMC neolibcons they are:
<(Reuters) -Myanmar’s military seized power on Monday in a coup against the democratically elected government of Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, who was detained along with other leaders of her National League for Democracy (NLD) party in early morning raids.
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 No.65012

>>64737
A lot of the minority groups are super small, 2/3rds of the population are Burmese, and the ethnic borders are a bit of a mess.
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 No.65025

Leftypedia article on this that has some more information on the country: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Myanmar
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 No.65062

>>64737
China should annex it tbh. None of this shit happens in Yunnan Province.
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 No.65072

>>65062
$0.50 has been credited to your account.
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 No.65086

>>65072
>>65062
>3.5 yuan
That's a really good contract, anon. Can you recommend a hiring manager?
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 No.65104

File: 1612204190274.jpg (28.11 KB, 499x499, ghetto frog.jpg)

>>65072
Meanwhile the shills that post US propaganda do it for free because they've been brainwashed into thinking it's their own opinion
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 No.65113

File: 1612204421022.png (548.83 KB, 800x844, antifa.png)

>>64671
>libs were also happy when fascism was destroyed.
Libs 🤝 Tankies
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 No.65120

I blame Xi for this
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 No.65125

>On 13 March 2006, some delegates to an advisory body at the National People's Congress proposed to include Sun Yat-sen and Deng Xiaoping on the renminbi banknotes. However, the proposal was not adopted.[33]
Best news I read on Wikipedia all day
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 No.65128

>>64986
Well that's the thing, we don't know if it was too weak or directly complicit.
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 No.65132

>>65128
>we don't know if it was too weak or directly complicit
In the genocide or the coup?
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 No.65201

File: 1612208855292.mp4 (10.3 MB, 1280x720, _Rn-3omz1ByXsXWN.mp4)

No thoughts
Head empty
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 No.65202

File: 1612209012361.mp4 (5.09 MB, 1280x720, wa state parade.mp4)

/ourguys/
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 No.65206

>>65201
mfw kebab is finally getting removed
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 No.65211

>>65202
Based Wa State. Hopefully the military won't fuck with them.
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 No.65233

>>65201
Wtf is this
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 No.65253

File: 1612211978415.jpg (14.92 KB, 300x300, hehe.jpg)

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 No.65287

>>65202
That song lowkey slapped
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 No.65300

>>65201
this clip is gonna be an intermission in an adam curtis movie a few years from now
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 No.65303

>>65201
Asking permission to post part of this as a meme.
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 No.65484

>>65303
Take it, it's all yours.
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 No.65591

>>64683
>military junta
Really bad all around. Basically a small scale version of warlord era China. However some factions within are still part of the old socialist remnants. Lots of them are fueled by drug and organized crime.
>liberals
Just as bad but hide themselves behind fake democracy but in action supported by foreign western capital. Mostly due to the rich mineral wealth of the country.
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 No.65619

Ok, what is happening? It looks like a chinese color revolution
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 No.65638

>>65201
fucking zoomers man
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 No.65641

>>64683
>>64736
Yeah there is no real "socialist" side to back here. There are apparently some sympathies in the military for their retarded "Burmese road to socialism" fake ML days but they're a minority.

Both sides ultimately align geopolitically more with China (thus the wests whiplash switch from Aung San Suu Kyi being wholesome nice freedom and democracy liberal aunty to baby-eating dictator woman) when it comes down to it though the libs were slightly more open/friendly with the US.

It's kind of a weirder, slightly less cucked version of Thailand tbh, military clique suck but due to their closeness with China, it's probably better for western "leftists" to align with them. Unlike Thailand the nominal leader of the military clique isn't a total sexual deviant who walks his wife around naked on a dog leash and declares his actual dog leader of the airforce, on top of that they seem to be grounded in a kind of oligarchic economic nationalism/dysfunctional national development politics (although this is probably a cover for self-enrichment).

Military clique are probably the closest thing to "our guys" or in reality the least bad option, but the whole situation is cucked. The Communist movement in Myanmar is totally obliterated too, aside from some armed groups in the hills with a very questionable understanding of socialism, there really aren't any communist forces to be backed. Better off not really commenting.

>>64587
They belonged to the same sort of trend of Asian barracks socialism as pol pot albeit on the opposite side of the soviet sino split. They were less weird & retarded though, more watered down, probably because they were being guided by Soviet advisors instead of Pol Pot's Dengist advisors, heavy formative anarchism influence and subsequent malformed education under Chen Boda & the left-Maoists which later got double buttfucked under Mao's reactionary turn and the weird geopolitical environment he had to make sense of. Less rabid about their Burmese ethnic nationalism than Pol Pot's weird Khmer Empire revanchism too.

If Angkar and Pol Pot had have not totally sperged out against Vietnam and remained in power it's likely that modern Kampuchea would be a weirder, more xenophobic version of Myanmar.
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 No.65880

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 No.65884

>>65880
>Biden threatens sanctions after Myanmar military coup
That's enough for me.
Say no more fam, I'm pro coup. Fuck it.
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 No.65889

File: 1612254353001.jpg (35.77 KB, 780x438, MuEEldCfwlRFeyk-800x450-no….jpg)

>>65884
YOU JUST POSTED RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA
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 No.65897

File: 1612255246316.mp4 (23.67 MB, 1280x720, Myanmar crisis_ What's lif….mp4)

Myanmar crisis: What's life like under military rule?
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 No.65899

File: 1612255293602.mp4 (10.99 MB, 1280x720, Myanmar's military moves s….mp4)

Myanmar's military moves several parliamentarians, senior provincial officials to house arrest
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 No.65900

File: 1612255379723.mp4 (21.88 MB, 1280x720, Activists face off with ri….mp4)

Activists face off with riot police in Thailand on Myanmar's military takeover
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 No.65904

File: 1612255626841.mp4 (5.11 MB, 720x720, hoMYBZM6P6mR-dXB.mp4)

The US and UN have condemned the military coup in Myanmar.
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 No.65920

>>65880
What's the actual reason they're doing the sanctions? I know it's not because of "muh freedum an democracy"
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 No.65925

>>65132
Genocide
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 No.65926

>>65920
Suu Kyi is a friend of the west and this coup means she is losing what little power she had.
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 No.65934

>>65884
Literally the most retarded approach to foreign policy you could have mate, congrats.
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 No.65942

>>65934
I was joking, but it works like 48 times out of 50.
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 No.65943

>>65934
Any country that is a little less US-aligned is a net benefit for the left as it stands currently.
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 No.65944

>>65900
The Thai police cracked down on it because, as people have said, the nature of the military in Burma and Thailand is basically the same: the latter just has a retarded monarchy atop it.
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 No.65945

>>65943
Critically support the genociding military in their fight against US Imperialism.
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 No.65948

>>65945
>genociding
source
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 No.65956

>>65948
Let me guess, anything I post will be dismissed as "Imperialist sources", so let me try another tact. Myanmar recently signed a treaty with Israel that allows them to edit eachothers school books, a part they edited was to compare Palestinians and Rohygina as both settler peoples that chose to leave after their states were founded. Oh and here is Israel supporting the efforts of the Burmese military to purge the Rohygina from Arakan.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-s-shameful-role-in-myanmar-s-genocidal-campaign-against-the-rohingya-1.8256822

But anyways here's a UN report: https://www.unhcr.org/uk/rohingya-emergency.html#:~:text=The%20Rohingya%20are%20a%20stateless,three%20months%20of%20the%20crisis.
This is the same agency that handles Palestinian refugees. I guess they're an imperialist source, right? Come on try and be less predictable.
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 No.65963

>>65956
>anything I post will be dismissed as "Imperialist sources"
I mean, sorry, but it's been a recurring tactic of the West to call anything genocide if it's good propaganda for their cause.

>Myanmar recently signed a treaty with Israel that allows them to edit eachothers school books, a part they edited was to compare Palestinians and Rohygina as both settler peoples that chose to leave after their states were founded.

That was literally under Aung San Suu Kyi who's just been couped.

>Rohingya refugees fled violence in Myanmar at a staggering rate in 2017

That was literally under Aung San Suu Kyi who's just been couped.

<sorry, I have no sources

Then maybe stop spreading made up shit?
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 No.65968

>>65963
The military are the ones who were doing the genocide under and before Aung San Suu Kyi. You realise she didn't come to power and say to herself 'ah yes time to start genociding minorities from this moment on', Myanmar has been doing that for decades because both the military and Aung San Suu Kyi are guided by ethno-religious nationalism and the country has been rife with secessionism and various ethno-religious minorities warlord states for decades. Cheering this on is like cheering on Chiang Kai-Shek for taking power over the KMT in 1926.
The fact is both sides here are bad, both sides are genocidal, the only reason this is happening is because a clique of old generals don't want their political power and drug trade money to slip away to a civilian government.
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 No.65969

>>65963
You want sources you dense motherfucker, gave you two already, here take more, gonna put £400 down you will denote it all as "western imperialism":
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/MyanmarFFM/Pages/ReportoftheMyanmarFFM.aspx
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya-justice-factbox-idUSKBN1XV0MU
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41566561
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/22/uk-gives-63m-for-rohingya-refugees-ahead-of-un-donor-meeting
https://www.dailysabah.com/world/asia-pacific/calls-for-international-recognition-of-rohingya-genocide-grow
https://news.sky.com/story/aung-san-suu-kyi-from-symbol-of-human-rights-to-fighting-claims-of-genocide-12205035
https://www.unhcr.org/uk/rohingya-emergency.html#:~:text=The%20Rohingya%20are%20a%20stateless,three%20months%20of%20the%20crisis.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-s-shameful-role-in-myanmar-s-genocidal-campaign-against-the-rohingya-1.8256822

Oh yeah, and she was called to the fucking Hauge to answer about this shit lamo: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/world/asia/aung-san-suu-kyi-rohingya-myanmar-genocide-hague.html

>That was literally under Aung San Suu Kyi who's just been couped.

Either you are willfully being stupid or are arguing in Bad Faith. Explain this one to me mate, how is Aung Sun Suu Kyi directly responsible for a region occupied by the military? Sure she is complicit, but to say "oh she is doing this the military had no role!" is honestly stupid, if you knew anything about Burmese history, you would see that. But you're don't, you're retarded Tankie that sees another "BAYSED anti-imperialist" coup and will just wash over anything inconvenient to your narrative that this magically hurts the west, somehow. But sure, come on, tell me this is all western imperialist propaganda, tell me that the 1.2m Rohygina in Bangladesh and another 500k in Pakistan are there because they all wanted to move there, please go on, debase yourself like that.
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 No.65970

>>65968
Ngl anon, that's probs a bit too much of a complicated take for this anon.
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 No.65971

Myanmar’s military coup is no surprise. Democracy there was built on very weak foundations and always destined to fail

Seasoned Myanmar observers will not see this development as a surprise. Since its independence from British rule in 1948, this is a country that has been beset by chaos, and marred by weak institutional structures and inter-ethnic conflict that have only been partially patched together by its military.

Put simply, the democratic experiment has failed, as the state does not have the underlying stability for it to work in practice. From here, we should expect immediate confrontation between the new junta and the West, with the Joe Biden administration almost certain to exert pressure against it. This will, in turn, increase its reliance on China – a scenario which preceding administrations have sought to undo.

The woes of Myanmar – or Burma, as it was previously known – can be directly traced back to the legacy of British rule over the country prior to the 1940s. In the 19th century, the British gradually conquered the Burmese dynasty of Konbaung and incorporated it as part of India, not granting it separate status until the 1930s.

As was the case with many post-Imperial countries throughout the world, the British replaced traditional forms of government with a colonial nation state model, often with artificially imposed borders which negligently painted over numerous ethnic and religious divisions. The British called the colony Burma after the predominant ethnic group within it – but not the only one.

As a result, the independence of Burma created a state with weak institutions and a fragile local legitimacy which was unable to reconcile the different groups who lived there.

This had two consequences: firstly, the military became its most politically influential institution, as it was the only means by which the state could be held together. Secondly, this influence, and the divisions within the country, has created longstanding ethnic conflict.

The country’s military are, not surprisingly, very pro-Beijing, and Myanmar’s inevitable alienation from the West will thus consolidate its reliance on China, especially in terms of trade and investment.

Yet this is not so much a grand strategic plan from either side, as it is the consequence of a country that has struggled to find basic stability since its modern existence. Military rule has always held this broken nation together, and attracted great disapproval in the process.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/514268-myanmar-military-coup-democracy/
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 No.65973

>>65968
>both sides here are bad
Reply to me when the genocide resumes after this coup.

>>65969
>More sources about pre-coup genocide
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 No.65974

>>65963
4chan tier "anti imperialism"
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 No.65975

>>65974
>call the coup genocidal
>have 0 sources
>post sources about pre-coup genocide
big brain energy
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 No.65976

>>65973
Ah now it's clear you are just pretending to be fucking stupid, right I getchu.
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 No.65978

>genocide happens in Myanmar
>gets sanctioned by US
>pro-US candidate gets elected
>sanctions are lifted while genocide continues
>pro-US candidate gets couped
>US considers putting sanctions again on Myanmar
Just stop pretending you care about the genocide. It's so cynical, mirroring the US' foreign policy. It's all about the country's alignment.
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 No.65980

>>64580
The Myanmar military isn't great, but the NDL was your classic neolib color revolution.
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 No.65982

>>65973
You dumb bastard, the same genocidal oppression of minorities was happening BEFORE the Aung San Suu Kyi government under the military which is now reasserting control. Including against the Rohingya specifically. Look up operations 'Dragon King' and 'Clean and Beautiful Nation' and tell me its not the same shit that's been happening under Aung San Suu Kyi since 2016 in arakan.

Who knows maybe this is the secret based ant-genocide military clique which actually wants to overthrow the civilian government because its too genocidal and US-backed and they'll stop the genocide but history would indicate otherwise so until the genocide stops and the military does anything different than the last 50 years of burmese politics i'll hold my breath and not pledge my undying support to the anti-imperialism of General Min Aung Hlaing.
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 No.65985

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 No.65986

>>65980
https://www.hrw.org/report/2007/10/31/sold-be-soldiers/recruitment-and-use-child-soldiers-burma
Uphold the Child-Soldier recruiting regime of the NDL against Neoliberal Colour Revolutions.
Oh also Burma signed up to Belt and Road lamo. Guess that's neolib too, right?
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 No.65987

>>65985
you are baiting us you can't be this smoothbrained
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 No.65989

File: 1612262801575.jpg (68.48 KB, 1024x632, Countries-of-Belt-and-Road….jpg)

>>65986
>Oh also Burma signed up to Belt and Road lamo. Guess that's neolib too, right?
No shit. Anyone with two braincells signs up, since the US is crumbling. Signing up is no indicator if a country is neolib or not. Stop coming up with these fake arguments, lmao.

>>65987
You are confirmed to be just concern trolling. But let me posit an argument that will blow your stupid little brain. Even IF the genocide keeps on going at the same rate post-coup as it was pre-coup, the international left still wins by turning a US-aligned country to a China-aligned one. Welcome to realpolitik.
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 No.65991

>>65989
>Burma signed in 2016
Hey, guess who had just become Prime Minister lamo.
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 No.65993

>>65989
>You are confirmed to be just concern trolling. But let me posit an argument that will blow your stupid little brain. Even IF the attacks on jews keeps on going at the same rate post-war as it was pre-war, the international left still wins by turning an Entente-aligned country to a Soviet-aligned one. Welcome to realpolitik, kameraden,
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 No.65994

>>65986
The NDL ARE the neolibs, broheem. They pretended to be some kind of social democratic party up until they got elected, when they started a process of economic liberalization and the selling of of state assets to foreign interests.
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 No.65995

>>65994
Yes okay cool thanks still better than a fucking murder junta.
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 No.65996

File: 1612263402405.png (83.46 KB, 435x445, 61cb07db77b5dd15bbf4dca8b4….png)

>>65986
>Human Rights Watch
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 No.65997

>>65995
>still better
In what way? The NDL kept on murdering. Fucking demagogue.
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 No.65999

>>65995
>I prefer my murder juntas US-backed, thank you
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 No.66000

>>65997
Because they don't have exclusive political power? This is basic political theory anon.
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 No.66001

>>65996
>>65969 > You want sources you dense motherfucker, gave you two already, here take more, gonna put £400 down you will denote it all as "western imperialism":
God it's like fucking pottery with you people.
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 No.66002

>>65999
I prefer my murder juntas without absolute power.
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 No.66003

>>66001
Not my fault Human Rights Watch is imperialist.

Blame the US-NATO empire for deciding to couch its imperialist rhetoric in faux humanitarianism.
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 No.66004

>>66002
>absolute power
Could you go be liberal somewhere else?
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 No.66010

>>66004
Do you not get the fundamental concept of pluralism within state structures?
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 No.66011

>>65945
Both sides of this are culpable of genocide. There's no dog for us in this fight.
That said if their military shifts toward China is a HUGE step toward full multipolarity, but ideologically we got no "team" to support.
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 No.66012

>>66010
>s-shut up big daddy knows b-better
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 No.66013

>>66011
This take is fundamentally retarded. The element actively conducting the genocide was the military that has just couped. Suu Kyi is merely an accomplice.
This "They;re aligning towards China??? BASED" is also fucking stupid on so many levels but honestly, I don't know where to begin.
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 No.66014

>lib take incoming
Myanmar's military, like Trump, cited fake 'election fraud' claims to justify a coup

There will be plenty of analysis in the coming days about Suu Kyi’s betrayal by an army she has defended against charges of genocide, the effect this will have on the Burmese people, and the Biden team’s efforts to piece an Obama-era policy back together.

But at the risk of being too U.S.-centric, the reasoning that the military gave for declaring an emergency has enough in common with former President Donald Trump’s failed attempt to stay in power to be deeply uncomfortable.

Let’s see if this sounds horribly familiar to any Americans reading this. The Burmese military felt deeply unappreciated and unpopular, having done so much for the country in its eyes and getting no credit for it. It proceeds to lose big in a free and fair election, despite credible reports of voter intimidation. Rather than process this defeat and what it means, it instead choses to reject it entirely, unable to believe that the people don’t love them, and insist that voter fraud is the cause of their loss.

Monday’s coup delivered on that threat, leading to a situation where the armed forces have taken over Myanmar in what they outrageously claim is a bid to protect democracy. And like Trump, the Tatmadaw are citing the protests their allies have staged around the unfounded claims that voting fraud existed.

What we’re seeing in Myanmar is a vision for what would have happened if the military had bought into Trump’s lies as readily as so many in his party did. A free and fair election has been overturned in Myanmar. It almost happened here.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/myanmar-s-military-trump-cited-fake-election-fraud-claims-justify-n1256401
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 No.66015

>>66012
Again, do you understand the fundamental concept and difference between a state where its institutions are wholly controlled by a military junta, and one where an elected legislature or executive has at-least partial control. If you do not anon, i am more than willing to explain.
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 No.66016

>>66010
"Pluralism" is only something of inherent value in liberal discourse. No one who isn't a liberal thinks a murder juntas run by two competing factions in inherently better than a murder juntas run by just one.
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 No.66017

>>66010
all state structures are pluralistic
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 No.66018

>>66016
>The Weimar Republic was exactly the same as Nazi Germany
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 No.66019

>>66013
>Providing China with open access to Indian Ocean thereby greatly reducing the impact of any blockade project in the South China Sea

<Fucking stupid


Retard spotted confirmed
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 No.66020

>>66013
>This "They;re aligning towards China??? BASED" is also fucking stupid on so many levels but honestly, I don't know where to begin.
begin anywhere
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 No.66021

>>66019
Suu Kyi was doing that already you blithering retard. Actually fucking do some research before you speak.
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 No.66022

>>66018
Nazi Germany was bad because it was run by the Nazis, not because it wasn't pluralistic.
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 No.66023

>>66022
Believe it or not, and this might be a bit of a revelation here anon, but, the nazis could do the genocide they wanted, because they existed in a non pluralistic state institution. Funnily enough, when power derives from a supreme leader, and the leader orders his underlings to begin industrialised genocide, it gets done, without resistance.
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 No.66025

>>66017
Not from an institutional level, if a military, or party, or clique control state institutions, it's a bit different to a regime where there is inherent pluralism. Take Cuba for example, Cuba is not Pol Pot's Cambodia, the former has a pluralistic state structure, the latter did not.
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 No.66026

>>66020
First, Burma only joined BICM after Suu Kyi got power, secondly it has been isolated from the west for 4 decades, it didn't "turn to it" when she got power, that is just shit people are saying here. Third, if the price for one minor stat ein SE switching from one global superpower to another is ethnic cleansing and genocide, the fuck do you want? Like seriously, analyse why the fuck you are a communist and get your shit straight.
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 No.66029

>>66023
So if the Nazis had shared power with some other right-wing party, their Holocaust would have been a much better Holocaust than the "absolute power" Holocaust? Or are you going full lib and acting like multiparty systems actually stops bad shit from happening? Because that's demonstrably untrue.
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 No.66031

File: 1612265404946.jpg (251.02 KB, 1300x1300, 123619705-surreal-sci-fi-c….jpg)

>>66025
>The difference between Cuba and the Khmer Rouge was pluralism
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 No.66032

>>66031
I mean literally not the only one but how am I wrong.
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 No.66038

>>66029
Thanks for willfully missing the point, I was talking about institutions.
Let me spell it out for you. You have a police force. That police force, say, mostly has a culture of "constitutionalism", aka serves the constitutional authority. You see the different between that authority being a sole military junta, a hybrid-regime, and a fully liberal democratic one, right? like you get that concept?
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 No.66039

>>66021
I know, that's why i said i have no dog in the fight, as you retard could have comprehended if only you could read a full sentence in >>66011 and not sperg at the sight of a single shibboleth that triggers your autism.
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 No.66046

>>66025
All states are inherently pluralistic.
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 No.66047

>>66018
Do you remember Hindenburg sending jews to the gas chambers? Me neither.
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 No.66050

>>66047
Yes hello that my point
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 No.66055

>>66050
but under suu kyi the genocide continued so the comparison with germany is incorrect
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 No.66069

>>66055
Burma wasn't a full liberal democracy like Weimar was.
At the end of the day my point is now the Junta have literally no check on their power, real or je jure.
There's also something telling that the colour revolution that ended the previous Junta was lead by buddhist monks: who are the ones calling for ethnic cleansing. I feel like the state might be on the verge of a Lebanon-style collapse.
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 No.66082

File: 1612272828085.jpg (6.01 KB, 300x303, 700.jpg)

south Asian liberal democracy is crumbling in real time
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 No.66093

File: 1612273706266-0.jpg (338.2 KB, 1686x1134, 20190429-the_united_wa_sta….jpg)

File: 1612273706266-1.jpg (109.12 KB, 1030x618, 4_dsc_1285_1648_1755.jpg)

File: 1612273706266-2.jpg (519.26 KB, 900x578, phangg_1555486218.jpg)

File: 1612273706266-3.jpg (155.17 KB, 690x517, wastate-01.jpg)

File: 1612273706266-4.jpg (111.28 KB, 1024x682, armed-self-defence-needed-….jpg)

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 No.66101

File: 1612274256329.jpg (64.38 KB, 680x504, EtKBA8KXIAEndMf.jpg)

>>66082
BASED
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 No.66151

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 No.66161

>>64671
>libs were also happy when the brand of fascism they personally disliked was destroyed.
fixed that for you
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 No.66165

>>65986
They signed up to RCEP, which is neolib. I don't know if they got concessions to avoid selling off their country to foreign capital.

>>66010
Cultists don't believe in pluralism. Negotiating with the help is not """scientific""".
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 No.66438

Can somebody just tell me whether this is based or not and whether they are /ourguys/ or whether we should just critically support them?
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 No.66482

>>65963
>US bad! So anything not the US is good!
Retarded contrarianism. Are you gonna support the Nazis just because they hate the US too?
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 No.66484

>>66438
There are no /ourguys/
That said it will help China break encirclement and find a way out of the South China Sea problem, so in a twisted sense it furthers multipolarity, but for the rest we talking a dispute between libs and fash.
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 No.66490

>>66484
The liberals already did that as said by multiple people. Are you arguing in bad faith or are you just willfully ignoring people?
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 No.66491

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 No.66525

File: 1612301189087.mp4 (10.75 MB, 640x360, Tila Tequila - Teacher - M….mp4)

Anybody else remember that Tila Tequila video from 2008 on Myanmar/Burma? Lol. I had a lot of good faps and busted a LOT of fat nuts to this in middle school.

Shame she became an unhinged Nazi and drug addict.
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 No.66564

File: 1612302826723.png (998.37 KB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.66657

>>66564
go away
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 No.66701

>>66564
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/02/myan-f02.html
>The military’s decision to take back full control of the country is no doubt conditioned in part by the turn to authoritarian and fascist forms of rule internationally amid the deepening crisis of capitalism triggered by the COVID-19 pandemic—not least in the United States. Significantly, Myanmar’s military has followed the playbook of Trump, who on the basis of lies about electoral fraud and a “stolen election” attempted to engineer a fascist coup by storming the Capitol on January 6.

>In comments to the media about the coup, Myanmar historian Thant Myint-U warned: “The doors just opened to a different, almost certainly darker future. Myanmar is a country already at war with itself, awash in weapons, with millions barely able to feed themselves, deeply divided along religious and ethnic lines… I’m not sure anyone will be able to control what comes next.”

>Like Obama, Biden is not motivated by any genuine interest in defending human rights. Rather the US is driven by renewed concern of growing Chinese influence. The failure of Myanmar to attract significant foreign investment, along with growing international criticism of the treatment of the Rohingya, compelled Suu Kyi, her government and the military to increasingly turn back to Beijing for financial and diplomatic assistance.

>China’s response to the coup has been decidedly muted. Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said only: “We hope that all sides in Myanmar can appropriately handle their differences under the constitution and legal framework and safeguard political and social stability.”

>The prospect of a renewed “human rights” offensive and economic sanctions by US imperialism and its allies could have been a significant factor in prompting Myanmar’s military to take power directly, rather than relying on the potentially unreliable support of Suu Kyi and the NLD. Suu Kyi has now called for protests against the coup. Despite her much tarnished image as a democracy symbol, she will undoubtedly turn to Washington for backing.
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 No.66706

>>66701
autism
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 No.66709

File: 1612308899253.png (818.83 KB, 1258x835, 354r3284593745879.png)

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 No.66710

>>66701
>Significantly, Myanmar’s military has followed the playbook of Trump
lol
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 No.66712

THE 1221 COUP IN MYANMAR- THE BREAKING OF A HEGEMONIC BLOC OR BUSINESS AS USUAL?
https://newmultitude.org/the-1221-coup-in-myanmar-the-breaking-of-a-hegemonic-bloc-or-business-as-usual/
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 No.66713

>>66712
Oh dang a new NM article, that's a pleasant surprise
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 No.66717

>>66490
The liberals were flinching, as per this source which is a fucking agency specialized in OBOR business

https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2021/02/02/belt-and-road-projects-in-myanmar-likely-to-progress-in-light-of-military-coup/

>The previous Government appeared at times beset by Minister’s personal issues getting in the way of planned developments. Myanmar’s military, with its stronger connections to big business and to China, is unlikely to allow that to get in the way.
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 No.66730

>>66712
>Actual journalism.
Based nM!
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 No.66752

File: 1612310991710.jpg (377.58 KB, 1190x1200, 55ac8498be2872b3e7f89f76c3….jpg)

>>66712
Every time you look into Burma, it's calling itself something else, and this or that ethno-religious group is trying to genocide one another.
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 No.66770

>>65969
Based
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 No.66804

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 No.66821

File: 1612313550412.gif (2.23 MB, 320x384, qt girl red jacket laugh.gif)

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 No.67000

>>65201
Groovy
a
n
d
BASED
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 No.67004

>>65968
Therefore nuke burma
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 No.68390

>>64797
What's confusing about that?
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 No.73580

File: 1612853667899.png (1.89 MB, 1280x719, ClipboardImage.png)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/09/myan-f09.html
Calls for a general strike against military junta in Myanmar
"Demonstrations over the weekend, estimated in the tens of thousands, continued on Monday despite police attacks and threats of military violence."
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 No.73730

>>73580
Based.
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 No.73859

>>73580
What a thing to behold, it would surely be a shame if things got out of hand and someone new emerged from that, wouldn't it…
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 No.73883

>>73580
why are their signs in english
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 No.73886

>>73883
Burma is a former British colony, it has English as a prestige lingua franca.
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 No.74009

>>68390
Not familiar with Myanmar history. I'm guessing the communists there lost and didn't manage to take power? That their ruling government were anti-communists?
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 No.74010

>>73580
>general strike to bring back neoliberal president
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 No.74064

>>74010
I hope for maximum chaos tbh
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 No.74290

>>74010
>general strike to bring back neoliberal president

>>73580
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/09/myan-f09.html
<Over the past five years, Suu Kyi has collaborated closely with the military, touring the world to encourage foreign investment, and acting as the chief apologist for its atrocities against the Muslim Rohingya minority. Like the military, her NLD is deeply imbued with anti-Rohingya chauvinism, branding them “illegal immigrants” to justify their complete lack of civil rights.

<The NLD represents layers of the capitalist class who are hostile to the military’s political and economic domination, but who are equally fearful of social unrest, particularly of the working class. As she has before, Suu Kyi will seek to exploit the protest movement against the junta to strike a new deal with the military at the expense of working people.


<Workers can defend their democratic and social rights only by politically breaking from Suu Kyi and the NLD, and fighting for their own independent class interests on the basis of an internationalist and socialist perspective.
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 No.74634

File: 1612916873833.webm (8.99 MB, 608x1080, What is happening in Myan….webm)

protests happening
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 No.75325

File: 1612982085729.png (68.33 KB, 601x454, Screenshot from 2021-02-10….png)

Apparently the military is pro-China.
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 No.75328

>>66712
B A S E D
A
S
E
D
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 No.75343

>>75325
Pretty firm proof Caleb is just a pro-Beijing Partisan.
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 No.75356

>>75325
>pro-china = economic independence
what did he mean by this
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 No.75358

File: 1612984778672.jpg (68.69 KB, 850x400, criticalsupport.jpg)

>>75325
critical support for the dengoid military and their rightous genocide of muslims
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 No.75365

>>75325
He's not wrong that Biden doesn't care about human rights and only spheres of influence. I don't like Caleb's dengoid brain rot but you fags >>75343 >>75356 >>75358 are reading in shit that's not there.
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 No.75366

>>75358
"At least they're not America" sounds a like like "At least Biden isn't Trump"
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 No.75378

>>75365
>shit that's not there
he's literally and I mean literally, in these exact words, implying being pro-china also mean burma is trying for more economic ""independence"" when a cursory glance show us they're becoming more dependent on beijing
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 No.75412

>>75356
>economic independence
"economic independence" from the US and becoming dependant from China instead
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 No.75432

>>75378
>he's literally and I mean literally, in these exact words, implying being pro-china also mean burma is trying for more economic ""independence""
No he isn't.
Firstly his point is about independence from the US as >>75412 points out. Him acknowledging dependence on China is a different issue since a lot of people argue (wrongly IMO) that China doesn't engage in that sort of thing.
Secondly, he says they're pro-China & favor economic independence, which is describing them as two separate things. He didn't say "therefore" or "so." "And" implies listing separate items. Biden doesn't like people who are pro-China and doesn't like people who aren't dependent on the US economically. They might be related, but he's not implying that they are, much less that one implies the other. This might be an ESL issue or something, but that's not how the grammar works here.
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 No.75537

>>75432
>favor economic independence
But the point is that they don't, they simply favor China over the west. That's not economic independence and something tells me Maupin knows this.
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 No.75540

Once all the Rohygina have been purged Myanmar will be economically independent from the United States.
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 No.76201

>>75540
Weren't they all driven out of the country in 2017?
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 No.76262

>>76201
There's still roughly 500k left (out of about 1.5-2m).
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 No.77149

File: 1613089556553.png (1.8 MB, 1125x1136, ClipboardImage.png)

Achievable Natty?
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 No.77152

File: 1613089653693.png (945.91 KB, 853x640, ClipboardImage.png)

>>77149
*blocks your path*
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 No.77155

>>77149
>>77152
Myanmar natties protesting the legalization of anabolic steroids
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 No.77157

File: 1613089866624.jpg (110.18 KB, 1186x1178, 17492780_1144053855722603_….jpg)

>>77149
Those veins pretty much confirm they're natty as fuck
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 No.77168

>>77152
Chad lifters overthrow the virgin government
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 No.77174

File: 1613090513772.png (5.51 MB, 2048x1536, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.77176

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 No.77193

>>77176
>don't cut our porn supply of the lifeline of our international economy is gonna get it
kek based zoomers
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 No.77250

>>77176
>>77193
You really think these anarkiddies and femboy protesters have the balls to do this? They'll get mowed down in a second. Even the commentators say "reeeeeeeee we're peaceful we would never do this"
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 No.77296

>>77176
>hey fellow Myanmarans aren't you just so mad at the government you wanna take it out on China?
God Twitter glows so fucking hard
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 No.77323

>>77174
Based punks
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 No.77518

File: 1613123971984-0.jpg (113.33 KB, 960x720, dialectics.jpg)

File: 1613123971984-1.jpg (45.01 KB, 750x500, 149412822_1010570139480091….jpg)

>Perhaps the idea of the ‘bloc’ was always flawed at one level, given that as long as the Tatmadaw remain an autonomous militia unaccountable to anyone but themselves, an elite partnership is an ontological impossibility. Nevertheless, the institutional oppositions of the power elite are conducted on a platform built on a broad consensus (or doxa) of a political economy based on extractive capitalism and a centralized Bamar-State.

https://newmultitude.org/the-1221-coup-in-myanmar-the-breaking-of-a-hegemonic-bloc-or-business-as-usual/

>“No matter if the military stages a coup or not, the power is already in their hands. For us ethnic nationalities, whether the NLD (National League for Democracy) is in power or the military takes power, we are still not part of it [there’s no sharing of power]. Our people are the ones who will continue to suffer from this chauvinism.”




https://newmultitude.org/burmas-democracy-facade-has-broken-coup-or-not-ethnic-people-expect-more-of-the-same-displacement-land-grabs-and-militarisation/



Hey guys New Multitude Editor here, if you could share our recent articles on this that would be great. The first article has been mentioned in both the Diplomat and Chuancn.org.

I have deep links in Myanmar and as I mentioned in another thread have been contributing to the opposition protests to both labour activists and local artists who are raising money for the mutual funds through selling painting.

Would anyone be interested in making a leftypol/newmultitude campaign to raise money for the opposition struggle?
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 No.77564

>>77518
Based dialectics sign, cringe hand gesture.
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 No.77637

>>77518
No.
We critically support the pro-china myanmarese army against imperialist amerikkkan encirclement of china.
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 No.77646

File: 1613138966194.jpg (178.98 KB, 700x600, b6d5b371770ce2110379443a38….jpg)

>>77637
>Critically support a rising capitalist superpower against a dying capitalist superpower
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 No.77661

>>77646
Yes.
Seethe americano.
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 No.77879

>Myanmar coup: Protesters rally at Chinese embassy in Yangon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9grYFqQE7kE
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 No.78487

File: 1613188679672.png (1.48 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/13/myan-f13.html
Mass protests against the military coup in Myanmar continue to grow
"Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets on Friday, a national holiday, in cities and towns throughout Myanmar in the largest demonstrations yet against the military junta."
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 No.80278

File: 1613337148599.png (762.3 KB, 919x609, Screenshot (167).png)

Looks like the military opened fire on protesters and there's talks of internet being cut.
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 No.80281

File: 1613337430225-0.png (212.16 KB, 653x772, Screenshot (168).png)

File: 1613337430225-1.png (16.08 KB, 380x147, Screenshot (169).png)

hmmm…
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 No.80282

File: 1613337461548.mp4 (19.67 MB, 1280x720, myanmar 2021.mp4)

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 No.80283

>>80278
What's the point of internet cuts? Wouldn't that just piss people off more?
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 No.80286

>>80283
>What's the point of internet cuts?
It's to disrupt communication between protestors
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 No.80287

File: 1613338003652.png (150.9 KB, 665x743, Screenshot (170).png)

>>80283
Beats me. I do recall the US doing this tactic in DC during the early days of the george floyd protest.
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 No.80288

>>80283

This >>80286 + less evidences of exactions for the outside world to see.
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 No.80290

>>80281
It has become obvious, that this is a proxy conflict between China and the US
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 No.80294

>>80290
Terminal Campist Brain
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 No.80298

>>80290
It seems like both the US and China would prefer it if Myanmar goes back to how it was before the coup.
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 No.80300

>>80298
Makes sense, considering how they fought a ton of wars in the past on the same side.
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 No.80308

>>80278
Are we entering the based zone?
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 No.80309

>>80282
Kinda cringe ngl
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 No.80310

>>80308
>>80309
>Based
>Military firing on unarmed protestors
<Cringe
<Political punk rock
Good to see your priorities are straight.
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 No.80321

>>80310
More like

>Based

>Contradictions escalating between parts of the ruling class
<Cringe
<Shitty music video with that cringy hand gesture literally taken from pop culture

But i guess you had to project your political anxieties on me so hard
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 No.80328

>>80294
>>80298
But it's true, look: >>80281 and >>75325
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 No.80330

>>80328
Again, terminal campist brain
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 No.80333

>>80330
What do you mean? There is plenty of evidence, that the military is backed by China and the other side is backed by the US.
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 No.80334

>>80333
Suu Kyi signed onto Belt and Road. Stop thinking about every fucking country as "West vs East" it is literally Fascist Proletarian Nationalism.
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 No.80335

>>80334
>Stop thinking about every fucking country as "West vs East"
It isn't "west vs. east", it's the US (and its allies) vs China (and its allies). You can't deny this reality, this is simply how politics these days works.
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 No.80349

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 No.80351

>>80349
Listen mate, why don't you deliver some arguments? Link me some articles, so I can understand your position. Try better to convince me.
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 No.80354

>>80351
I can't argue against someone whose entire world view orintates around supporting a team and has picked it. It's like trying to convince a Man United fan to not support Man U.
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 No.80356

>>80349
I would like to know, what your position on this issue is. But you have to give me an article or at least some basic arguments. Show me your evidence, that my position is wrong. All you said was "terminal campist brain", which simply isn't very convincing.
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 No.80357

>>80356
Again: >>80354

China is your team, you have convinced yourself that a genocidal military is on China's side, so the coup is good. There is no working with that logic, it's polyp tier.
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 No.80362

>>80357
How about there being no good side cause military is Dengoid serving and liberals are (or will become) Us puppets?

Full Chaos is the better outcome for now.
Once we get it then let's see what happens
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 No.80364

File: 1613344512682-0.png (574.39 KB, 648x364, Screenshot_2021-02-15 Myan….png)

File: 1613344512682-1.jpeg (91.67 KB, 600x450, Et7eiubUYAM0t9b.jpeg)

>>80357
>China is your team
lol where did I said, that China is my team?
>you have convinced yourself that a genocidal military is on China's side
So these people are protesting for no reason in front of the chinese embassy?
>so the coup is good
In the dengoid world, it is good. >>75325
>There is no working with that logic, it's polyp tier.
STILL NO ARGUMENT
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 No.80370

>>80364
The fact you cannot conceptualise that the Myanmar military, one that rigged this democracy to be able to be removed by itself at a moment's notice, as having agency because "it supported by China, see I have proof of some liberals outside an embassy!" then I don't know what to fucking say. I try and effort post >>64703 but retarded Dengoids brigade with shitty Caleb Maupin takes what's the fucking point.
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 No.80379

>>80370
Then why are these people protesting? Did they just invented, that China is backing the military?
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 No.80381

>>80379
They are irrelevant to the actual material conditions of the country: those being an economic elite (the military) who had once had absolute control of the nation reasserting it in the belief that they can get away with doing so.
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 No.80384

>>80381
Then why is China supporting the military?
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 No.80390

>>80384
Again, irrelevant to the situation. The real conflict is between the military and civil society in Burma.
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 No.80392

>>80390
>Burma.
You mean Myanmar, right?
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 No.80398

>>80390
>Burma
Cringe
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 No.80400

>>80392
>>80398
The cruel fucking irony of getting hooked up on a name invented by a military junta to be more PC is fucking juicy.
Oh and before you say "Burma" is an imperialist name or some bollocks, Myanmar is literally the name of the predominant ethnic group: its ethnonationalism to the core.
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 No.80402

>>80400
We know, but at least is more representative of the actual people there. That said fuck everyone involved in this clownshow
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 No.80457

>Taking a side in this clusterfuck
Reminder that both China and the United States supported the Aung presidency directly, and China stated their preference in working with her as opposed to her opposition. Any political pandering occuring right now is entirely artificial, and the military is less an actual civic or public service, and more of a pseudo-corporation in of itself. The military has direct "ownership" over two major conglomerates, and the companies within these conclomerates are largely run by either the families of military commanders or officers, or by the commanders and officers themselves. These conglomerates are in turn financed by international corporate investment and have cultivated business dealings with banks and companies stationed in some of the most imperialist states active in the world today (British banks HSBC and Standard Chartered, Israeli technology company Gilat Satellite Networks, etc.). This allows them to work separately from the public, and also provides corporations within these conglomerates large sway within the military and the decisions it makes. This is not Aung apologia btw, it's simply stating that the government was fucked long before they took power, and it's symptomatic of it's capitalist system as a whole.
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 No.81179

>>80457
This is the most correct take
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 No.83604

File: 1613546251411.png (1.5 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/17/myan-f17.html
Protests and work stoppages continue in Myanmar against military coup
"If the military has not simply turned its guns on protesters, as it has in the past, it is because it fears an explosion of opposition in the working class."
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 No.83777

>>83604
>No socialist hegemony in the protests
<No military intervention to escalate things and make them chaotic

Nothingburger
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 No.83937

>>80400
Bamar/Burma is an alternative name for the same dominant ethnic group.
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 No.83949

>>83937
>Myanmar: From Burmese မြန်မာ (mranma), the formal Burmese name of the main ethnic group in Myanmar; ဗမာ (ba.ma), from which Burma is derived, is the informal name.
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 No.88192

It seems police opened fire on some protestors, and two people were killed today.

https://twitter.com/hermionewinn/status/1363176892707307529
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 No.88195

>>88192
Wasn't the situation that one girl died from injuries inflicted last week and today another died?
Maybe this will escalate the stakes.
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 No.88219

>>88195
I saw some libs on Twitter start to call for UN intervention
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 No.88254

>>88219
For two deaths?
The iraqui repression in 2017 (or 2018) had 70, like the Sudanese revolution. It's matter of the myanmarese people alone. And those twatter libs will not do shit or affect shit about it.
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 No.88263

>>88254
If for Sudanese revolution you mean whatever the fuck happened in 2019 it was color revolution to the bone, with the "revolutionary" coalition literally selling out to Israel (and France too) one year after taking (part of) the power.
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 No.88276

>>66082
Not good if what comes after is a military dictatorship
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 No.88278

File: 1613856603330.jpg (86.29 KB, 1080x680, Myanmar color revolution.jpg)

>>64580
It's official. Experts have officially determined that the Myanmar protests are a color revolution.
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 No.88283

>>88278
Are you trying to run interference for NED? WTF?
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 No.88284

File: 1613857120777-0.jpg (382.37 KB, 1680x1120, yangon.jpg)

File: 1613857120777-1.jpg (94.94 KB, 960x720, mizzima.jpg)

File: 1613857120777-2.jpg (210.82 KB, 1680x1120, myanmarprotester.jpg)

Hi guys, New Multitude Editor here.


If you know me, you know that I am heavily involved in Myanmar from the outside, hence the journal's focus on this issue this month. I have been distributing VPNs to some labour activists and friends within the country.

However the most amazing network of grassroots resistance is taking shape there. There is an underground network of mutual aid for the general strike taking place. Civil servants are walking out of their jobs from railway workers to parliamentary staff are walking out of their jobs and they are putting their livelihoods and even lives in danger to do this (protip civil servants in myanmar are working class not bourgeoise) Also labour movements are on mass strikes and every day the centre of Yangon is crammed full of people.

At night there is terror though. people being arrested, drugged up criminals released from prison and told to terrorise neighbourhoods (yep this is actually happening)

Anyway, this is a huge huge movement for democracy on a national scale. I know that donating to these kind of things is usually an excuse for western NGOs to line their pockets, but I am in contact with the people organising some of this fundraising and EVERYTHING is going directly to strike funds. This is not a request for charity, but a request for solidarity for a huge historical event that could end up being a fulcrum for something more.


Link for donations is here. If you donate you can mark your name as "leftypol.org" if that would be fun, or anonymous. The money will be transferred into the country by various means. This money goes straight to working class people for food and accommodation (striking staff are being thrown out of dormitories etc). Even $10 means a lot to people there. if anyone has any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

https://www.chuffed.org/project/support-the-myanmar-people-in-their-fight-for-freedom
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 No.88288

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>>88284
>the 2nd image
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 No.88289

>>88278
I told you, that this is a proxy conflict between US and China. I told you dog!
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 No.88308

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 No.88315

>>88278
Esha calls it a color revolution, but technically, it is a Color-Counterrevolution, because NED supports the official government and not the military.
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 No.88316

>>88284
V Chad. Is your Karen correspondent alright?
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 No.88318

>>88284
It's all commendable from the perspective of working class people etc, but are you aware that these struggle without a socialist party in there means literally giving blood for Washington?

Are the people down there aware of it?
Is there some kind of organization to push socialism into the protests?
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 No.88327

>>88315
>it is a Color-Counterrevolution, because NED supports the official government and not the military
Counter-revolution against what exactly? The military? Are we defending military juntas to own the glowies now? Heck, it's possible that the junta itself is run by glowies.
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 No.88336

>>88284
Don't forget you can send checks too, just write them out to "Central Intelligence Agency"
Thank you.
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 No.88338

>>88327
We are not defending anything anon. Both sides suck, and there's no good outcome for us in this.
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 No.88340

>>88338
Oh ok, makes sense
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 No.88348

>>88289
>While the international community rushed to condemn the coup, China and Russia used their veto power as permanent members of the UN Security Council to block a joint statement condemning the military junta.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3121993/china-under-us-pressure-condemn-myanmar-military-coup

It's so obvious, that this is a proxy conflict.
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 No.88351

>>88348
Why exactly would China and Russia be supporting the junta?
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 No.88353

>>88351
They just don't want the US/West having the official UN position on who the legitimate regime is. It's realpolitik
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 No.88354

>>88351
Apparently because of geopolitical reasons >>75325
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 No.88357

>>88351
The junta guarantees China that their desired infrastructural project come to fruition, enabling a HUGE strategic advantage for them (effectively reducing the effectiveness of a South China Sea blockade).
Russia i think just wants some spoils but idk what.
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 No.88358

>>88357
Why wouldn't a liberal democracy guarantee China's belts and roads get built?
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 No.88359

>>88358
>Why wouldn't a liberal democracy guarantee China's belts and roads get built?
Because from the perspective of the US, when you trade with China, you are feeding the beast.
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 No.88361

>>88359
But we are talking about a liberal democratic government in Myanmar, not the United States. Liberal democracy doesn't automatically make you an American puppet state, as can be seen in the Philippines, who have played the US and China against each other.
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 No.88374

>>88361
The support base and legitimacy of a liberal government would have to be from scratch essentially, and this could only be achieved though guided direction by the West, it inherently puts them in a subservient position.

The problem is Myanmar has for its entire existence as a post-colonial nation-state, has tetered on the brink of failed state. Even compared to other post-colonial nations, its ethnic/language/religious composition is suspect. There hardly seems to be a way out aside from communism.
A better example of a liberal democracy in SEA would be Malaysia. But even they have now been burned by the US/international capital and their failure to prosecute the 1MB criminals who ransacked Malaysia's development funds.
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 No.88375

>>88358
A specialized firm was saying there were some personal interests of government ministers blocking that before the coup
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 No.88381

>>88374
>The support base and legitimacy of a liberal government would have to be from scratch essentially, and this could only be achieved though guided direction by the West, it inherently puts them in a subservient position.
but if China supported the liberal government, wouldn't that make them partially indebted to China?

>>88375
Hmm, ok, this makes sense.
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 No.88387

File: 1613862221377.jpg (605.89 KB, 1995x1330, FGWM.jpg)

>>88318
>>88338
>>88351
1. yes socialists of myanmar are fully aware that there is no socialist party. We are also fully aware that Aung San Suu Kyi and the NLD have over the last ten years been a neoliberal party whose main role in variegated global capitalism has been to create an export state.

2. Yes China has significant interests in the country with the Mytisone Dam in Kachin for instance as well as the flashlight projects such as the Letpadaung copper mine (that Aung San Suu Kyi supported to in the name of 'growth', so to call Suu Kyi a western puppet is not valid, rather she is a puppet of capitalist ideology rather than geopolitics.


3. Yes America has significant interests in the country too, as do the EU, UK and Japan. Obama visited twice, Japan has significant hand in developmental projects, EU are pushing for foreign investor arbitration courts (so people can't sue when a FDI project pollutes) etc. The country is seen as a frontier for both Chinese and Western capital to extract value.

4. Yes both sides suck. But don't fucking start pretending that you are incredibly intelligent for realising this. On the first day of the coup many of my Kachin friends were saying "Well it's bad that the military have taken over, but they've been doing this to us for the last ten years anyway under so-called democracy". But you know something else? They still support the opposition protests, because they realise while the NLD were fucking torrid, the military will be an order of magnitude worse. That's the difference here. And they are putting their lives on the line right now to get funding and aid to people.

5. yes there are a lot of people who want a "return to normal", but there is a growing number of people who are realising that Suu Kyi is no saviour. And the fact that they've been organising an underground network of support without her at all has taught them that. Even people who were frothing ethno nationalists 5 years ago are now saying "we fucked up with the Rohingya". Things will not go back to normal.

6. Framing this as a geopolitical proxy war is highly reactionary and shows a disdain for people at the expense of armchair abstract theorising that helps no one. I am not saying that the opposition movement is a mass of Bolsheviks ready to overthrow capitalism, but neither are they a bloc of bourgeois calling for coca cola parties. This is a MASS movement and like I have hinted it is contradictory, anarchistic, but amidst those contradictions everyone has put aside their differences to strategically oppose the military together.


7. If you are truly interested in socialism in Myanmar then the best strategy is to support the people on the ground now not through USAID, but through grassroots movements that come with no strings attached. That's why I linked the fundraiser I did, because it's a genuine one. If you want to show to the people of Myanmar that they are being supported by socialists then raise money in your local groups and networks and then post messages of solidarity on social media. That is how we all win. Sitting back and doing nothing ensures that the space for international support is colonised by western imperialism.



>>88316
The KNU (after a shaky start) have come out in support of the protesters. I think our correspondent is fine for now.
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 No.88398

>>88387
Thanks for the Myanmar perspective
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 No.88428

File: 1613863458844.jpg (460.87 KB, 647x689, 2fb.jpg)

>>88387
>there's no difference between Suu Kyi and the junta, both are neoliberal puppets
>We gotta support the opposition because "the military will be an order of magnitude worse"
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 No.88435

>>88375
Give sauce?
>>88387
>Yes China has significant interests in the country with the Mytisone Dam in Kachin for instance as well as the flashlight projects such as the Letpadaung copper mine (that Aung San Suu Kyi supported to in the name of 'growth', so to call Suu Kyi a western puppet is not valid, rather she is a puppet of capitalist ideology rather than geopolitics.
This is evidently clear the moment China started to turn their backs against the military and voicing “concerns” over the situation. The military were the ones who intended to suck up to China to get their economy back on tracks.
>Yes both sides suck. But don't fucking start pretending that you are incredibly intelligent for realising this.
They really don’t care about this though. All the Dengoids on this thread ever care about on this thread in particular when they use “multi-polarity” as a argumentative crutch is a sense of blind anti-Americanism. Saying both sides suck by these people is just a limp wristed attempt at trying to be “nuanced” while still supporting a racist military dictatorship that actively fight communists and other socialists alike.
>Framing this as a geopolitical proxy war is highly reactionary and shows a disdain for people at the expense of armchair abstract theorising that helps no one.
Same reason I say western dengoids are just fascists while China itself is not. They follow Lasallean reactionary politics to a T.
>>88428
>we know fuck all about the situation but you’re CIA
Kill yourself braindead westoid.
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 No.88445

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The opposition with regards to the protest (cdm movement) is a mass movement, it's not synonymous with Suu Kyi at all. Reading comprehension is your friend here.

I am not saying support Suu Kyi. I cringe when people hold up her picture, so do many people in Myanmar. But they still materially support the protests because, get this in your thick fucking skull, THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE UNDER A PSYCHO MILITARY DICTATORSHIP. EVEN THE REBEL ARMIES WHO OPPOSE THE STATE OF MYANMAR ARE SUPPORTING THE CDM MOVEMENT.
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 No.88454

>>88445
this was in response to
>>88428
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 No.88456

>>88435
>)
>>88445
>)
Can you educate this dumb westerner as to why the language is revolving around "fuck the coup" as in the coup specifically?
I found some stuff from reverse image searching and while it's promising that a lot of quasi-communist symbology is there it's also kinda weird how it's only quasi-. Unless communism is banned there like in Indonesia?
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 No.88464

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 No.88468

>>88456
>I found some stuff from reverse image searching and while it's promising that a lot of quasi-communist symbology is there it's also kinda weird how it's only quasi-.
Not from Myanmar, but exactly are you expecting? Do you expect most modern leftists to be waving hammer and sickle flags and portraits of Lenin? Is there a specific set of symbols that all leftists are "supposed" to use?
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 No.88474

>>88456
the original language centred around "the coup" because that was the catalyst for everything. One thing I want to say is that you don't need to 'take a side' or support the NLD or even the parliament here to oppose the coup and what it stood for. The military are an autonomous rule under themselves and people are sick of it in general.


The original Burmese communist party split from the post colonial left bloc in the mid 20th century and became a guerilla movement, eventually ending up as ancestors to many of the ethnic armies. The "burmese road to socialism" led by General Ne Win wasn't successful and so there's a lot of people who probably don't want to associate with that.

I think generally, westerners get too hung up on official labels. Yes there is no official socialist party in Myanmar, but that's because of historical reasons. But you could argue that there was no socialist party that meant anything in the UK until 2015 when Corbyn became leader of the labour party. So we have to think more strategically and pragmatically, because while there is no socialist party, that doesn't mean there isn't a working class or labour movements, and the working class, organised and un-organised, are against the coup. I don't have the answers about how this will translate into more organised parties in the future, but I know it doesn't come from sitting back and not showing solidarity with them. Hell in many ways, these people are withering away the state and putting socialistic principles of mutual aid and solidarity to the forefront in their praxis.
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 No.88475

>>88474
>Hell in many ways, these people are withering away the state and putting socialistic principles of mutual aid and solidarity to the forefront in their praxis.
Is there much of an anarchist scene in Myanmar?
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 No.88496

>>88475
As far as people who call themselves "anarchists" not really. there's a facebook group and I know a few guys in the punk scene (https://therebelriot.bandcamp.com/)

but as far as people who act collectively outside of state structures, then Myanmar is incredibly anarchist and the way the CDM has mobilised so quickly is testament to that.
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 No.88499

>>88496
Hmm, interesting
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 No.88529

>>88474
Didn't Ne Win and his military government ban most communist parties back then?
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 No.88546

>>88387
I hear what you're saying, but one should always think critically: if this movement shows some redeeming qualities i'll be the first to defend it (as i did with french Yellow Vests when NOBODY outside of France gave them credit), but as of now allow me some skepticism.
One does not simply walk away from liberal hegemony in the protests, it's a process which requires some tough stuff before (e.g: In France this happened when Fascists were singled out and BTFO during the first Yellow Vests marches by comrades).
Hope you get this in good faith, which i am (i got no stakes in the China vs Usa cringe,at least not when China is not directly aggressed).
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 No.88936

File: 1613909803022-0.png (524.14 KB, 653x684, Screenshot (171).png)

File: 1613909803022-1.jpg (77.68 KB, 624x960, myanmarlead.jpg)

Funeral for one the protesters. Security forces claim that they dindu nuffin.
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 No.88937

>>88546
You're right to be skeptical, I was and so were many people I know when it started. We cringed at the Suu Kyi-centric nature of the protests, but since then, as I've tried to explain it's become much more than that.


This morning one of my friends texted me asking for VPN accounts for union leaders to help ensure their safety and ability to coordinate. This person is a socialist who has been adamant that this is not a protest for the status quo of capitalism but the spark of something more. Hell, we've been directing lots of the ire at police violence towards the EU, who helped to train them.

(btw if you want to help the labour movement with stuff like VPNs, I have a separate fund for this on the new multitude patreon account, )
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 No.89096

An acquaintance of mine spreading petition for Biden to sanction Myanmar. I’m assuming this is detrimental to the labor organizers and movements?
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 No.89284

>>89096
I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference either way tbh
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 No.89350

File: 1613939894350.png (30.36 KB, 745x269, dm.PNG)

>>89096
>>89284
If the U.S. does proceed with sanctions, it's possible that China could swoop in to fill the vacuum and gain a stronger foothold in SE Asia so I somewhat doubt Biden's going to do it, but we'll see.
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 No.89422

>>89350
>Advocating for firms from a country to imperialize another one

Dengists keep going lower and lower
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 No.89426

>>89422
Nothing personnel kid, just geopolitics.
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 No.89502

>>89422
Well at least China is nicer than the US
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 No.89508

>>89502
>Well at least China is nicer than the US
So is …everywhere else.
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 No.89594

>>89502
You 100 years ago: "Critical support for the Americans against the British imperialists! Anything but British hegemony."
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 No.89607

File: 1613959608578.jpg (68.69 KB, 850x400, criticalsupport.jpg)

>>89502
cringe
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 No.89622

>>89607
Well, if the Central Powers had won, we could've gotten syndicalism in France, Great Britain, and potentially more countries.
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 No.89677

>>89350
China also opposes to the coup now. The military’s actions disrupted the already profitable status quo of Chinese corporations in the country.
>>89502
It’s hilarious looking back how most self professed “socialists” that took this stance during WW1 all turned out to be either left-punching socdems of the second international or worse outright fascists like Mussolini. Western Dengoids are fascist even when China is not.
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 No.89684

>>89677
>China also opposes to the coup now
Source?
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 No.89734

File: 1613973030712.png (998.23 KB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/22/myan-f22.html
Myanmar military fires on protesting shipyard workers, killing two
"The bloody crackdown in Mandalay is part of intensifying repression as the protest movement against the February 1 coup shows no sign of abating."
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 No.89862

>>89734
Cringe shipyard workers they should be supporting the military in its fight against american imperialism.
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 No.89872

>>89862
Imagine picking a side
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 No.90031

>>89872
>being right is something in the middle
I mean are you supposed to not support actual workers that are being shot at?
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 No.90148

>>90031
Not every protest is a good one.As of now, both sides are fighting just to serve different capitalist masters, so the fact that there are working class people willing to get shot for this just makes me sad.
Socialists need to become a player in this or it will become a WW1 tier useless massacre.
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 No.90250

>>90148
The useless will create the bedrock for the useful. It took decades of aimlessly killing monarchs through political terrorism in Europe for the Bolshevik to be born. The same can be said for both the Chinese communist movement. Political organization needs praxis. Such praxis needs failures and escalation.
The point is the avoidance of capitalist funding in these projects and not use sectarianism as a target for these protests to succeed. Solidarity in Poland was a notable example of it going wrong.
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 No.90304

>>90250
Not all movements are born equal.
Its clear to me that the ones that are born with a (albeit vague) rejection of liberalism and/or with material demands are way more prone to radicalization from a socialist perspective than the ones sprouting with explicitly liberal demands (confront for example Lebanese protests in 2019 with Chilean and Haitian ones in the same year).
These protests seem to be of the latter type to me.
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 No.90313

>>89872
>Imagine favoring a liberal democracy over a totalitarian military dictatorship
You're not as smart as you sound
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 No.90329

>>90313
>Military controls at least 25% of the congress nevertheless
>Ethnic cleansing goes on nevertheless
>Neoliberalism goes on nevertheless
>50% of the country is out of control and ran by ethnic militias nevertheless

Tell me one structural difference between the two government types as of now.
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 No.90342

>>90329
Dock workers weren't getting shot.
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 No.90349

>>90342
I said structural you faggot
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 No.90353

>>90349
>The state massacring workers isn't structural
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 No.90363

>>90329
>>Ethnic cleansing goes on nevertheless
Myanmarans I've talked to online say the military would kill more Rohingyas.
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 No.90378

>>90363
>>90353

That's bad and there's no denying it from me (that the military is bad is a given for me), still not a reason to support the spilling of working class blood for Washington goals. As i said earlier, this squabble is meaningless (and tragic and sad) until a socialist force emerges from it.
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 No.90394

>>90304
To add some recent events that happened more in the same region: I found it very easy to be on the side of the protestors in India and Indonesia last year, but not so for this. Why is that?
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 No.90399

>>90394
>Indonesian protestors
Dominated by leftist elements, 75% of which anarchist (the real kind not radlib performance) 25% MLs

>Indian protestors

Mostly MLs or with sympathies for the Indian communist party (excluding the sikh religious component which we must admit is also a thing).
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 No.90516

>>89607
This seems like something Lenin might have said, considering Germany's victory over Russia resulted in the February Revolution and the continuation of the war resulted in the October revolution.
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 No.90531

>>90516
Don't forget that the Germans inadvertently helped the Bolsheviks, in their efforts to destabilize the Russian Empire.

The early history of the Bolsheviks is definitely something the Anglo chauvinists on this board should take a look at.
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 No.90949

File: 1614072356456.jpg (183.54 KB, 843x843, myanmarinfographic.jpg)

>>90378
>As i said earlier, this squabble is meaningless (and tragic and sad) until a socialist force emerges from it.

Then, as I suggested earlier, donate to the movement and when the protesters ask "who stood by us?" you can say "we, the socialists did".
You have any other suggestions? cause I'm literally giving you the tools here to show socialist solidarity.

>https://www.chuffed.org/project/support-the-myanmar-people-in-their-fight-for-freedom

>https://chuffed.org/project/support-the-civil-disobedience-movement-in-myanmar
>https://www.patreon.com/newmultitude
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 No.90954

>>90949
and if you don't want to donate to the movement, you could do something like make people aware of what's going on there, etc
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 No.91041

>>90949
Who would win?
>National endowment for democracy with a multimillion dollar budget, support from the most popular party on the ground, and compatibility with an interclass narrative which is always easier to push being the default in capitalism

vs
>One guy with a patreon
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 No.91050

>>91041
Sorry for my skepticism and if that sounded aggressive though, i don't have any grief towards you.
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 No.91241

>>91041
who would be doing a better service to the cause of international solidarity and socialism?

>one guy with a patreon who is asking for donations in order to buy VPNs for striking workers who are in danger of being arrested on trumped up charges


or

>a guy sitting at home playing armchair geopolitician?
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 No.91410

>>91241
We both have the same impact anon without a strong,unitary and organized socialist movement in the country.

Action for action sake means nothing.
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 No.91421

>>91410

>without a strong,unitary and organized socialist movement in the country.



and do you think these things just magically spring out the ground?
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 No.91477

>>91421
I think the organization of it must PRECEDE the major events to fully take advantage of them and not just do an exercise in tailism the same way Lenin and his comrades were fully organized and disciplined BEFORE February revolution.
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 No.91485

>>91477
Its not even about numbers (though of course the more the merrier) its about having a nation wide network politically mature ready to sprung up into action and disciplined. Hell this could be even done by a trade union in some cases, like how CGT in France brought a sizable portion of Yellow Vests to the left.
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 No.91529

>>91477
people are organising now. There is a political window of opportunity for socialist politics.


I don't even get why people are saying international solidarity is a bad thing. Makes no sense. It's purity politics.
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 No.91557

>>91529
I'm not saying it's BAD (what does it mean? it's a moral view of politics), i'm saying that "activating" yourself in the absence of a preexistent strong socialist movement it's usually pointless bordering counterproductive in the case a full cooptation happens, which is a standard Leninist critique of tailism. (at least for what i understand it).

That said entering the PERSONAL sphere i have no animus towards you anon and i wish you all the best and i urge you to stay safe.
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 No.92069

File: 1614134667955.png (1.54 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/23/myan-f23.html
How to fight for democracy in Myanmar
"The only social force capable of carrying out a consistent struggle for democratic rights is the working class, as part of the broader struggle to refashion society to meet the pressing needs of the majority—that is, along socialist lines."
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 No.92076

oh no a /pol/ak is online…
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 No.92078

>>92076
oops wrong thread
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 No.92149

https://mobile.twitter.com/thinzashunleiyi

It seems this girl is a prominent face (kinda) of the whole movement.
Her Feed is AN ABYSS of liberalism to say the least.
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 No.92158

>>92069
What's going on in that picture?
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 No.92203

>>92162
>Performance art
Major red flag and not the good kind
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 No.92336

>>92149
>>91557
again, no one is that saying that this opposition movement is a 100% pure socialist movement. Of course there's a huge amount of liberalism in it.

But again, socialists and workers in the country are participating and in support of the movement. I am listening to them and supporting their wishes because they understand the situation better than anyone here.
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 No.92381

>>64580
Why am I supposed to care about some irrelevant Chinese country again?
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 No.92419

>>92381
I have no idea, the left is dead and buried.
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 No.92421

File: 1614174535490.jpg (13.74 KB, 270x342, mkh.jpg)

>>92419
Only thing to rise up from its ashes is anarcho stirnerism.
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 No.92422

As a Burmese communist, it's nice to finally see people talk about what's going on. Here's a video you guys might like about the Burmese Maoists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW0E5BWupl4
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 No.92425

>>92203
It reeks of Obama era libs. Which is probably it because most Su Kyu supporters are exactly that.
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 No.92488

>>92336
Again, "participating" in a non socialist lead movement does not matter (unless it's a national liberation movement such as Ansarallah in Yemen for example). Either we lead or we'll be irrelevant forever.
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 No.92927

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jnwgwD7LnY

Vijay Prashad, head of the Tricontinental Institute (Anti imperialist think tank), on the Myanmar coup.
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 No.93567

File: 1614224504993.png (1.67 MB, 1280x863, ClipboardImage.png)

Workers across Myanmar stage general strike against military dictatorship
"The turnout at Monday’s protests and strikes throughout Myanmar was the largest since the February 1 coup, despite threats from the military that a general strike would lead to further “loss of life.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/25/myan-f25.html
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 No.97042

File: 1614441950198.png (91.74 KB, 556x456, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.97053

>>97042
UN military intervention coming?
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 No.97081

>>97053
Severely doubt it, lot of western and chinese companies have deep investments in Myanmar. Ever notice how the junta was never sanctioned before 2011?
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 No.98720

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1366032840312442883
18 reported dead in clashes on sunday
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 No.98837

>>98720
OH GOD OH FUCK

Also, Myanmar anon is everything alright to you? Please respond
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 No.98846

MYANMAR CENTRAL BANK LIMITS WITHDRAWAL TO $1400

Shit is about to hit the fan HARD.
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 No.98949

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 No.98957

>>98720
>All the pro-Aung Suu Kyi signage
But anons here were claiming she isn't popular at all. Or is it just western media here (DW) misrepresenting things on purpose?
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 No.98973

>>98957
It's a mix IMHO, she is undeniably popular and the protests are very much liberal dominated.
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 No.99913

File: 1614576289183.png (2.06 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

Violent crackdown on Myanmar protests leaves 18 dead
"The military junta has launched a ruthless offensive against the nationwide movement of protests and strikes that erupted after the February 1 coup."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/01/myan-m01.html
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 No.100734

Liberals are out for blood today, i see more and more post calling for military intervention and i would say that it wouldn't be beyond them.
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 No.100737

>>100734
From who? Team America?
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 No.100750

>>100734
There won't be a military intervention, there might be drastic sanctions tho: and considering how much the Burmese military reiles on conventional industry that may bite.
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 No.100755

PPW when?
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 No.100762

>>100755
Literally every ethnic group in Myanmar besides the Burmese has been doing PPW since 1945 at the least
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 No.100768

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 No.100815

>>100737
Of course

>>100750
Their economy is already in the shitter
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 No.101005

https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1365263839688675328

You know a protest ain't shit when YourGlowieCentral supports it, not to mention the CRINGY AF video
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 No.101011

>>101005
>muh literallywhos twitter
You have to go back.
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 No.101038

>>101011
>6 million followers
<Literal who

You could also engage with the content posted sometimes instead of having autism, you faggot
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 No.101050

>>101005
These guys are all over the place, they're no use as a judgement of anything. They supported the BLM riots and Assange as well.
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 No.102995

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 No.103026

>>102995
I hope the people of Burma lynch the military fucks.
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 No.103027

>>102995
>"Based! Cringe libkeks btfo!"
t. Sandinista flag

He rivals Leninhat from the Covid general with his shit takes.
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 No.103043

https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1367155824993460231?s=20
praying with every fiber of my being that the military cucks face the consequences of their actions
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 No.103054

>>103043
This is why you need those guns everyone keeps trying to convince you are useless against tanks
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 No.103055

>>103027
1)Rent free

2) find me one (1) occurrence in this thread where I've praised the military for what is happening
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 No.103056

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 No.103058

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 No.103061

>>103055
this retard is overjoyed at the killing of civilian protesters, many of whom are anarchist and communist, because "muh contradictions are escalating"
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 No.103065

>>103058
That "Based zone" comment was referred to the fact Myanmar was entering a potentially revolutionary situation, but i guess you gotta project your political insecurities on someone.

>>103061
1) <Overjoyed
Stop projecting
2)<Many of whom are anarchist or communist
99,9% of the protesters is liberal to the core.
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 No.103067

>>103065
Ideology has rotted your brain to the point of dysfunctionality
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 No.103070

>>103067
You just outdebated him epic style, I bet he's malding right now, absolutely pepega and poggers
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 No.103071

>>103061
Not only that, but he called this military firing on anti-coup protestors:
>>80321
>Contradictions escalating between parts of the ruling class
As if striking workers are part of the ruling class.
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 No.103074

>>103070
s eethe
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 No.103079

>>103074
>doesn't even know the wordfilters
Get bored of shitting up bunkerchan then?
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 No.103080

>>103067
As you please, not even gonna argue.
I admit though my comments were written in a very bad way from a moral standpoint and i apologize for that. I don't wanna come off as unhinged and i take full blame and responsibility if happened.

>>103071
<As if striking workers are part of ruling class
>Implying workers are inherently a revolutionary force in society and can't ever be used as foot soldiers by Porky.
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 No.103083

>>103080
>can't ever be used as foot soldiers by Porky.
Nobody is denying this, but this doesn't change the fact that the Junta is being supplied by glowie nationalists in the USA, Israel, Singapore, Japan, etc. They're quite literally the ruling class, and this coup is a rare situation in which the liberal middle class is directly opposed to said ruling class
>>103079
blow me
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 No.103094

File: 1614793254194.jpg (71.78 KB, 678x960, three demands.jpg)

>>103083
The military sucks big time, as i said multiple times in this thread.
The problem is that most of the people fighting and spilling their blood even in heroic ways are ultimately dying for nothing, cause they're led to advocate for just a return to the status quo ante (in which i remind you the military is in charge anyways by controlling a few industrial sectors and 25% of Congress) and nothing more, as you can see from their three demands (see picrel).

So we're in this situation where there are multiple bad scenarios ahead:

a)Things stay as they are: Working class sheds A LOT of blood for nothing
b)The military accedes to the three demands:
We'll have seen a replay of what happened 10 years ago and 30+ people will have died for nothing.
c) Un greenlights R2P intervention: Libya 2.0 but 5 times bigger and at the borders of India and China.
d) In the chaos of the struggle a new communist (or even anarchist i'm not here to argue against people doing praxis as long as they can manage to achieve socialism) leadership emerges and drives the struggle to victory.
e)The same as d) but the struggle ends with a complete massacre.
f) Sections of the military start to defect:
Then you have F.1)Syria Cvil War 2.0
F.2)Chinese Warlords 2.0

I hope this can explain better my position and i again apologize if i came out as a military apologist in my previous posts.

Hope a good faith convo can ensue after this.
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 No.103110

>>103094
I think a hybrid between b) and d) is by far the most likely. the country was already libdem, and the most vocal portions of the current uprising are coming from anarchist and socialists; many of them are succdems and not radical, but this coup is the spitting image of an inflection point in radicalization. if the populace succeeds and the military concedes control, a stronger left will likely emerge as the defacto vanguard of the uprising
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 No.103113

If the civilians take the government back, do you think they'll dissolve the military entirely like Argentina did? It seems clear to me that the Tatmandaw can't be negotiated with, and they're basically just drug dealers anyway, why not get rid of them? It would probably go a long way to brokering peace with all the ethnic insurgencies too.
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 No.103119

>>103113
You'd probably end up with a lot of disgruntled soldiers resorting to terrorism like the Contras did.
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 No.103120

>>103119
Well you'd obviously have to take away their guns and have a big jobs program so the ex-soldiers have a place to work. The thing with right wing insurgencies is that you can usually pay them off and they'll take it, hell it even works with communist insurgencies sometimes, like in Thailand.
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 No.103122


>>103113
Country would explode with warlords instantly unless they make popular militias on the Swiss model and make them ethnically diverse (which would be EXTRAbased)

>>103110
The problem is that i don't see an independent effort from the leftists side in there, we got ZERO independent media ZERO organizing for the eventuality of SHTF etc
Now compare it with Haiti (where there is a separate revolutionary group and 2 different leftist sources giving back to back coverage PLUS Danny Shaw who just went down there reporting), or Chile (Where the people set up Piensa Prensa as an independent effective media to give non liberal coverage of the riots).
You can see the difference.
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 No.103127

>>103122
>Now compare it with Haiti (where there is a separate revolutionary group and 2 different leftist sources giving back to back coverage PLUS Danny Shaw who just went down there reporting), or Chile (Where the people set up Piensa Prensa as an independent effective media to give non liberal coverage of the riots).
That sounds interesting. Can you do a short rundown of Haiti and Chile?
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 No.103134

Deleted and reposting bc greentext is ugly on Yotsuba. /OrangeText/ gang

>>103122
>>99913
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/01/myan-m01.html
<It is not Suu Kyi and her NLD that are undermining the junta, but an extensive movement of the working class. The military is desperate to put a halt to a growing movement of striking workers that threatens to bring economic activity to a standstill. Loosely organised under the leadership of the Civil Disobedience Movement (CDM), the widespread work stoppages and walkouts have effectively paralysed major sections of the economy: the civil service, healthcare, banking, education, and transport.

<UN Special Rapporteur on Myanmar Tom Andrews has estimated that around three-quarters of the country’s one million civil servants are on strike. Additionally, junta leader General Min Aung Hlaing revealed this week that one-third of the nation’s hospitals are no longer functioning due to disruptions.


<The power of this movement was demonstrated during last Monday’s general strike, in which millions turned out and refused to work under the military regime. This drew together doctors, miners, electricity workers, garbage collectors, and supermarket employees.


<After Monday, strikes appear to be expanding into new sectors. Truck drivers began a strike against the coup on Thursday, by refusing to transport goods from the docks at Yangon’s four main ports. Joint secretary of the Myanmar Container Trucking Association said he estimates that about 90 percent of the city’s 4000 drivers are on strike, and have promised to deliver only essential food, medicine and fabrics for factories.


<The junta’s deep fear of an imminent economic crisis underscores the violence now being used, to try to suppress the upsurge of the working class as quickly as possible. Economic growth for the financial year 2020–21 is expected to be just 0.5 percent, due partly to Myanmar’s failure to attract significant foreign investment, but above all to the global downturn caused by the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
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 No.103148

>>103127
On Haiti check out my thread: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/70826.html
Its not extensive but its a start

On Chile check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RREtzEkV2-k

And for day by day stuff follow @piensaprensa on Twitter
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 No.103160

>>103134
The problem still stands: as deep and extensive the working class involvement is (also:can we REALLY know it? Myanmar is 70% rural)
they are completely following the liberals orders and fighting (and dying) en masse for them.

Maybe their democratic radicalism can become something else but being partially Fukushima-pilled I'll believe it when they'll march under explicitly socialist slogans like the Chilean "No son 30 pesos son 30 anos" (its not thirty pesos its thirty years).
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 No.103168

>>103160
>being partially Fukushima-pilled
?? Not sure what the Fukushima nuclear disaster has to do with any of this.
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 No.103173

>>103168
Oh fuck i gaffed hard i meant Fukuyama lol
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 No.103180

>>103160
>they are completely following the liberals orders and fighting (and dying) en masse for them.


no they aren't. Where are you getting this analysis from?
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 No.103188

>>103180
I'm watching all the sources possible (there's not a great deal of) and this is what transpares. I would be HUGELY glad if you can prove me wrong and maybe provide me some left-oriented sources closely following the events.
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 No.103227

>>103160
The NLD's headquarters were raided, the previous NLD government were all arrested by the junta and Suu Kyi's whereabouts are not even known at the moment, as she was moved from house arrest to "an undisclosed location" (Source on Suu Kyi: >>99913 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/01/myan-m01.html) so how exactly would the workers be "following the liberals orders"?

Myanmar/Burma's working class independently organized an ongoing nationwide general strike >>93567 against the military junta. That's class struggle in action.
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 No.103237

>>103227
<Class struggle in action
Nobody denies it, but it's on action FOR WHAT?

Their goals are literally "Free NLD leaders, and accept their victory" but Aung San Suu Kyi is not exactly Salvador Allende.

Also i'm formally asking WSWS anon to keep posting links here.
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 No.103241

File: 1614800816226.png (813.31 KB, 1200x675, ClipboardImage.png)

>>103160
>>103173
Francis Fukuyama's "End of History" failed to materialize and agreeing with his falsification of history doesn't make you "-pilled" (enlightened). Quite the opposite, it means you have been duped by Fukuyama's neoliberal (he's a council member of the IFDS initiative of the NED and former member of RAND Corp) idealist conception of the finality of capitalism, at precisely the exact historical juncture (now, the present moment) that the capitalist order is objectively, materially mired in an extreme political-economic crisis and facing the existential threat of the mass radicalization of the working class, which portends the future victory of socialism. The Covid pandemic is a trigger event in world history whose ramifications for the global class struggle in the 21st century are akin to what the outbreak of WW1 was as a trigger event in the 20th:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/04/dave-m04.html

"The Russian Revolution and the Unfinished Twentieth Century" by David North is a potent antidote to this false conception of Fukuyama's "End of History".
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/library/russian-revolution-unfinished-twentieth-century/00.html
>One hundred years after the outbreak of World War I and the Russian Revolution, none of the problems of the twentieth century—devastating wars, economic crises, social inequality, and the threat of dictatorship—have been solved. In fact, they are posed even more sharply today.

>In this volume, ​David North argues against contemporary historians who maintain that the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 signaled the “end of history” (Fukuyama), or the “short twentieth century”(Hobsbawm). ​Disputing postmodernism’s view that all history is merely subjective “narrative,” North insists that a thorough materialist knowledge of history is vital for humanity’s survival in the twenty-first century.


Even just the foreword to North's book tears Fukuyama's (and Hobsbawm's, whose book "The Age of Extremes: The Short Twentieth Century, 1914–1991" was a reformulation of Fukuyama's "End of History" with a Marxist tint) argument to shreds:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/01/unfi-a01.html

Here’s a couple choice paragraphs from the preface to the Turkish language edition of ""The Russian Revolution and the Unfinished Twentieth Century" that are highly relevant on this point:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/09/02/turk-s02.html
>When this book [The Russian Revolution and the Unfinished Twentieth Century] was published in 2014, the conception that the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Stalinist regimes in Eastern Europe represented the irreversible triumph of capitalism still dominated political discourse. Of course, the bourgeois euphoria and triumphalism of the early 1990s had already been substantially undermined by the military debacle of the United States’ “War on Terror,” the economic crash of 2008, and the eruption of the mass demonstrations and strikes that brought about the fall of the Mubarak regime in 2011. But even if the “End of History” that had been predicted by Francis Fukuyama had failed to materialize, the strategists of the bourgeoisie—and especially those working within the academic community—continued to discount the possibility of the resurgence of a mass socialist movement that threatened the survival of world capitalism.

>But the events of the last five years have dealt a shattering blow to this complacent and false perspective. The world capitalist system confronts an existential crisis. The renewal of interest in and mass support for socialism—even in the North American citadel of global capitalism—is publicly acknowledged. Donald Trump’s hysterical declaration, in the spring of 2019, that socialism would never triumph in the United States, was widely interpreted as an expression of fear, rather than confidence in the future of American capitalism. The great economic, political and social contradictions that led to wars and revolutions in the twentieth century remain, in essence, the central problems of the twenty-first. Of course, the last several decades have witnessed extraordinary technological advances. But these developments have only intensified the central contradictions that led to the catastrophes of the past century: namely, the incompatibility of a highly interconnected world economy with the existing system of national states; and the conflict between the objective processes of social production and capitalist property relations, based on private ownership of the means of production. The perspective that inspired the October Revolution of 1917 retains a burning actuality in the present historical period. The global crisis that arises out of these fundamental historical contradictions can be solved only through the conquest of political power by the global proletariat.
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 No.103245

>>103241
1) I don't conceive Fukuyama as an enlightment, i concieive his words as more like a curse on us, which deep down i hope will be broken but which leaves me doomerposting.

2) On the Covid stuff i agree.

3) Aside from the Stalinism cringe i also agree with that author analysis. Indeed i can easily see material contradictions (who can't nowadays?) but I'm still wary of any optimism about socialism's victory.

Overall it was a good post though. Thanks WSWS anon.
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 No.103373

https://twitter.com/drsasa_mm/status/1367146652486746117

UK REQUESTED SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING ON MYANMAR
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 No.103381

>>103373
That doesn't mean they're gonna fuckin invade over it
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 No.103384

>>103241
>>103245
Fukuyama was right for the wrong reasons: history will no longer progress, not because it will stay liberal forever, but because it will unravel.
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 No.103388

>>103381
It depends. I believe one among China and Russia will veto any military proposal.

Sanctions are on their way IMHO.
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 No.103708

https://twitter.com/cvdom2021/status/1366952762550927361

First defections in Myanmar army. Early to say if this is significant but its something to keep an eye on.
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 No.103716

https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1367172330716233731

Calls for using the Responsibility to protect clause are growing and getting mainstream.
Libya 2.0 in the making?
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 No.103825

>>103384
Hilarious enough, Fukuyama himself admitted to being wrong right after 2008. We are basically standing in the precipice of industrial civilization, if liberal capitalism continues unabated we will revert backwards to dark age level soon enough.
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 No.104467

Bumping while i'm searching for news
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 No.104501

>>103708
It's worth remembering that Burma has a fucktonne of formal militias in the ethnic minority areas.
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 No.105534

ETHNIC MILITIAS PROTECTING PROTESTERS

https://twitter.com/hannayuri_twt/status/1367830547536306179

The soldiers in the tweet belong to this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_National_Union
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 No.105559

>>105534
This is really fucking big. This could be headed into a protracted people's war or a proper uprising.
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 No.105565

>>105559
You need a communist force to do PPW otherwise you get either an ethnic chimpout or another Somalia tier situation.
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 No.105566

>>105564
Libya didn't border both China and India, UN/NATO will be extremely hesitant to involve themselves in what could be an even bigger powder keg than Syria.
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 No.105568

>>105566
>Blinken
<Extremely hesitant to involve
Dude these guys are full on neocon there s no war they don't wanna take part in.
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 No.106150

https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1367922611322294276

CHINESE AMBASSADOR ASKS UN TO RESPECT MYANMAR SOVEREIGNTY

Is this prelude to a veto on military action'
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 No.106166

>>106150
china shouldn't be deffending the junta is so fucking obvious they are not gonna survive this shit
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 No.106168

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 No.106188

>>106166
They don't really stand a choice. At best they can get a deal on some heavy sanctions to apply to the Myanmar military, but every other scenario is lose-lose for them.
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 No.106191

How did this country get so fucked up?
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 No.106193

>>106191
50 years of ethnic warfare, a "socialist" more like ethnonationalist junta then cringe neolibs then far right military again.
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 No.106194

>>106191
That’s what happen when your first communist party try to negotiate with imperialists.
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 No.106239

>>106150
BRO MOMENTO. China approved the UNSC resolution for the 2011 military intervention in Libya, but they're not going to do it for this genocidal military regime?? Really taking their policy lessons from Henry Kissinger
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 No.106244

>>106239
Libya was far and irrelevant, and China wasn't powerful as it is now at the time.
(2011 is 10 years ago, i still can't believe it)

Fucking up Myanmar would create HUGE problems for them, from an economic humanitarian and even political standpoint.
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 No.106245

>>106239
welcome to mulitpolarity, everybody asked for it
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 No.106248

>>106245
The alternative is Somalia 2 tbh.
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 No.106249

>>106244
Redpill is that a strong African Union, which Green Libya was an enthusiastic patron of, and a real african trade bloc would put Chinese capital investments there at risk. They had the same interests as NATO in Libya.

Also Myanmar is fucked right now! Their military is conducting a genocide against the Rohingya which has creates 100s of thousands of refugees, and they're murdering dozens of people who aren't pleased with the military doing a coup. The military is also creating huge economic instability by doing shit like banning the Internet, wrecking the real estate market, locking the country down, etc. Don't simp for china like a cultist
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 No.106250

>>106248
Yeah, absolutely. And the US state dept would view that as a win
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 No.106251

>>106249
I'm not simping for China: if you go in the China thread i usually call out Dengists there.
I just think that they already have low level chaos, if they go full warlord chaos (which WILL happen if UN inavdes as shown by Somalia then Libya) with 54 million inhabitants (while bordering India China and Bangladesh) the consequences could be unpredictable (but a huge amount of suffering for hundreds of thousands is certain).
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 No.106258

File: 1614996208113.webm (974.75 KB, 720x480, 1613942931010.webm)

>>106249
>China does anything foreign policy wise
>omg this is evidence of China supporting ebil totalitarianism agenda across the globe
>US backs brutal dictatorship against the gommies for the 1000th time
>it's just how things are, maybe you gommies shouldnt be so violent :^)
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 No.106267

>>106251
That isn't how transfers of power work, the collapse of the central authority in Somalia was b/c there wasn't a unified opposition movement to fill the power vacuum, instead clan-based territorial violence prevailed. In Libya there was a lack of political infrastructure, destabilizing terrorist attacks, and the country's leadership fractured after only 3 years. In Myanmar, the democratic-parliamentary infrastructure is all there, they just had elections! There is a unified opposition, there are no terrorist groups. There's even a figurehead to fill in the power vacuum, Aung San Suu Kyi.
so this: >if they go full warlord chaos (which WILL happen
is a total fantasy
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 No.106268

>>106258
are you brain damaged?? Death to America and fuck Chinese foreign policy
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 No.106272

>>106268
foreign intervention isnt a good thing
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 No.106279

>>106275
<There is a unified opposition
Anon this is a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Myanmar

And if the army collapses what do you think will happens in the territory where insurgency is raging?

Also even if the Tatmadaw gets wiped they won't vanish completely but most likely some elements will mount an insurgency.
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 No.106296

>>106279
The military isn't going to disappear, the officer corps should get purged, but rank and file soldiers probably won't be affected. And the military has fanned the flames of these insurgencies, which are for national self-determination, by cracking down on them with scorched earth style tactics and attempting to impose a common national identity. Even the recent 'democratic' puppet government didn't have much autonomy in this regard, because the military wanted full autonomy over national security, and made sure that this was established in the constitution. Barring a social revolution, the only thing that's really going to reduce the ethnic conflict is a new constitution, civilian control over the military, and a federal union.
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 No.106299

>>106296
I actually agree, i just don't want this to be achieved 1)by neolibs
2) Via foreign military occupation

Also i think a People's Army on the Swiss Army/Bolivarian Militia model would be better than a standing one for Myanmar.
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 No.106306

>>106299
By the way, the CRPH or the rump cabinet from the deposed neolib government has declared they intend to create federal democracy and abolish the 2008 constitution https://twitter.com/hninyadanazaw/status/1367805623845351427

The R2P clause doesn't necessarily mean military intervention, in this case it's looking like multilateral sanctions and not military intervention b/c of the extreme risk that would expose protesters to. If the rest of the world stopped arms sales and development projects and provided humanitarian assistance to the population, it could help the civilian government get restored.
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 No.106313

>>106306
IF (and i stress IF) they will act via sanctions ONLY, then it will be better.
Still the neoliberal party sucks big time though, and i hope something to their left emerges, which i have the impression is not unlikely to happen if there's no military intervention from outside.
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 No.106403

>>106258
>you either support one imperial power or the other, no alternative!!!
Are you five? Fuck sake dengoids are animals when it comes to critical thinking.
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 No.106505

>>105564
>The Soy Milk Alliance wants a Syrian-tier civil war with Amerishart bombs falling like rain on their cities.

Sigh… I would pay good money to watch these white worshiping zoomers get reeducated with hot pokers and bayonets.
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 No.106554

>>106505
The only way these protests will turn to something fully progressive (in the socdem sense) or even socialist is by leaving them alone to deal with the military.
Any external intervention would lead to the most reactionary liberal elements taking power.
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 No.106673

https://twitter.com/YamoneV/status/1368052327672930310/photo/1

Watching these protests photos i'm wondering if the fact that the logo on the shields in the frontline (which is a variation from the usual protest symbol) and that acronym have a different meaning or are just an aesthetic variation on the themes of the protest.
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 No.106681

>>106673
ANy idea what ISN means? cant find any results for it.
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 No.106879

>>106681
Neither could i, could be the name of the city abbreviated or something else.
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 No.106912

File: 1615063041083.gif (688.01 KB, 244x188, write that down.gif)

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 No.106919

File: 1615063405968.png (228.91 KB, 600x400, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.107029

This is on midnight tomorrow night ( anglo-land time.)
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 No.107064

File: 1615069803961.jpg (23.08 KB, 612x344, yaba_15.jpg)

How significant is the role of drug production in the economy of myanmar? From what ive seen, ethnic armed groups and state elements have both benefited from the production of opium and meth
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 No.107470

>>107064
Given Myanmar's position (between China Laos Thailand India and Bangladesh, all highly populated states) and given the existence of the Golden Triangle area (the tri border between Laos Myanmar and Thailand, which is the second biggest producer of opium in the world, only surpassed by Afghanistan) the role of drugs in the economy is very significative.
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 No.107472

https://twitter.com/ChalecosAmarill/status/1368490647351607298

It seems today approach from the military is "Isolate single persons and beat the shit out of them".
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 No.108525

File: 1615179720334.png (2.05 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

Myanmar military unleashes bloodiest crackdown since coup
>Despite the dramatic intensification of the military’s killings last Wednesday, anti-coup protests and strikes have continued around the country on a daily basis.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/08/myan-m08.html
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 No.108646

I keep thinking that if Western powers don't interviene militarily there's a real chance for radicalization of the protests.
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 No.108700

>>108646
They are already radicalising: they are arming themselves with shields and in rural ethnic areas using the militias as protection.
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 No.108720

>>108700
This is not radicalization strictu sensu.
This is more like becoming violent, for radicalization i mean drifting towards ML/Anarchism.

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