Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:19:32 No. 646778
fringe issue
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:24:28 No. 646784
It's a ruse to sap your precious bodily fluids
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:27:35 No. 646792
Half the board are new left hedonist the other half puritans I be surprised by a honest discussion on this.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:30:42 No. 646797
>>646778 How so?
The working class is embroiled in coom addiction that they can't but consoom products
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:32:01 No. 646799
>>646797 Just don’t watch porn lmao
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:50:24 No. 646817
It probably does take the edge off for some otherwise angry young men, but I can't see it as anything more than marginal. Generally speaking, people revolt in cases of absolute deprivation. No amount af porn, drink or weed will placate people who are starving, who are drafted into a losing mperialist war, etc.
yes Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:52:42 No. 646819
There already is for films and tv-programming so why wouldn't it for monopoly capital webporn conglomerates like MindGeek/Pornhub?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 16:56:30 No. 646824
Communists should all be practising celibacy, and this means abstention from porn. if we all channelled that energy into overthrowing capitalism there would be revolution in the streets tomorrow.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:02:29 No. 646835
>>646797 It would be correct if the whole working class was consisted of just you.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:03:24 No. 646836
>>646772 In 1934, The Capitalists gathered for their anual meeting to coordinate attacks against the working class, The Niganus Conference. There, the Grand Nagus of the Ferengi Faction showcased the effects of pornography of a small village. It showed that they became absolutely incapable of original thought and became incapable of writing coherently.
Ever since then, 💰💰💰they💰💰💰 have been introducing high quality porno to problematic segments of society. They activate the control switch and make them type porntube on their navigator and force them to watch prono.
Really tragic if you ask me.
Grillpilled Schizo 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:12:22 No. 646841
Are you an incel OP?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:17:24 No. 646847
>>646841 This. It is also worth noting that a lot of banks and financial institutions refuse to work with companies involved in porn.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:19:45 No. 646849
>>646772 Is there proof the capitalist class finds music useful to keep the workers docile? How does the capitalist class use music against us?
Even big record company makes millions and millions from exploit humanity's primal urges. How do we fight against this?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:29:00 No. 646856
>>646847 You say that but these companies keep their investor info secret.
It was even revealed that Cornell University was an early investor in Pornhub's parent company. Other investors include JP Morgan Chase.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:32:47 No. 646863
>>646857 >>646860 Neoliberals always have the worst takes.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:32:52 No. 646864
>>646860 Uh yeah that’s correct
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:34:54 No. 646868
>>646857 Oops, dropped my flag
sage sage 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:39:43 No. 646878
>>646864 >rape is okay fucking amerikkkunt piece of shit
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:45:26 No. 646891
>>646856 It's still your choice to whether watch porn or not. Class conflict and porn are not really the same thing.
Porn can exist in a communist society.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:46:31 No. 646893
>>646878 What no
I understand that the soyjak thing was supposed to be sarcastic but yeah filmed rape is what most pornography is and it does lead to unhealthy addictions
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 17:46:47 No. 646895
>>646893 Sorry for the miscommunication present
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:25:22 No. 646946
>>646772 No. The addictive nature of pornography is useful for relative individual profit.
That it is also socially destructive (or in the absolute best case, extremely wasteful) doesn't matter to any individual capitals as those that do profit from it will grow relatively faster than with time and marginalize those that don't.
That said, porn pushers will likely ve among the first groups executed following a succesful revolution.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:26:40 No. 646949
True. I have gained wizard powers ever since I quit porn and since then I started a union, led a strike, occupied a factory and won massive concessions in just one week of no masturbation.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:30:33 No. 646959
>>646949 Why do burgers believe 'No Porn = No Masturbation'
Do burgerstanis unironically not have the concept of a Wank Bank in their culture?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:33:07 No. 646965
>>646959 It's burgers. They are hooligans in all aspects. Doesn't stop at sports or politics. Dichotomies is their game.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:38:00 No. 646973
>>646772 Back to pol with your reactionary moralistic BS
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:44:24 No. 646984
This place is unreal, next you'll be talking about the 'jews behind porn' or something.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:52:02 No. 646991
>>646984 Take your idpol away.
It's the capitalist CLASS that does this. Doesn't matter their identity, but only their relation to the means of production.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:52:46 No. 646994
Am I the only person present who's not a fried-brain coomer but also doesn't want to morally manage other people's personal interests? I don't take drugs but I don't want to ban them either.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:54:31 No. 646997
>>646991 why are you telling me? I'm laughing at this satanic panic tier bs and obvious pol shilling
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:54:48 No. 646998
>>646994 >though not drugs meaning, to be clear, that I never took any in the first place.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:55:57 No. 647000
>>646997 Yeah, I never understood this.
Porn is actually healthy because it prevents prostate cancer. People who are against porn should bring some valid evidence besides "I feel bad."
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:56:41 No. 647001
>>646994 honestly, likening porn to drugs sounds like nofap broscience and right wing /fit/ insecure self impovement bs
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:56:54 No. 647002
>>646994 >>646994 >Am I the only person present who's not a fried-brain coomer but also doesn't want to morally manage other people's personal interests? Of course not. It's always the illiterate right wingers who are temporarily leftists that are like this, trying to impose their morality on others. It's entirely reactionary.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 18:57:22 No. 647003
>>646998 Unfortunate. Go get some drugs right now. You'll enjoy them. Even good ol' alcohol is fun.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:01:14 No. 647010
>>647000 >Porn prevents prostate cancer Gonna have to proofs that one bud.
>>646997 >everyone i disagree with is pol. Fuck off.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:02:59 No. 647013
>>647001 You can certainly become addicted to both and people want to legislate both.
>>647003 I have various reasons for not wanting to. Alcohol and cigarettes destroyed several people in my family and made my childhood a lot rougher than it had to be because a couple of those people happened to be my parents.
I also have some genetic predisposition to schizophrenia or related disorders.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:03:41 No. 647017
>>647010 it's not a case of whether i agree or disagree. a chimp could identify tired right wing talking points. although mods seem to struggle with this.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:06:44 No. 647020
>>647017 Look anon, you're not half as smart as you think you are. Everyone can see you trying to conflate a critique of porn with being pol to kill discussion, appeals to mods and all. it's not going to work.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:10:49 No. 647024
>>647020 Imagine thinking people having sex needs to be 'critiqued'
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:13:20 No. 647028
>>647026 >muh incels >muh porn is bad >muh decline of the west back you go
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:21:02 No. 647041
>>647028 Porn is bad though. Have sex or just do something with your life
Jacking off to porn is like consuming junk food
You don’t really like any of it, your just consuming to compensate for something else in your life like boredom, poor self esteem, loneliness etc
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:27:31 No. 647050
>>647041 As if just being a sex addict is any different than Alot masturbation or porn addiction. You have no clue what you're talking about or even an inkling of how to have a nuanced conversation about this being that you have baby first steps understanding of the subject.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:29:15 No. 647051
>>647050 Yeah I’m well aware constant exposure to randos leads to loveless sex and can be just as isolating as ordinary masturbation along with bringing the risks of STDs
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:31:43 No. 647053
>>647051 I swear I remember having a link saved on my old computer about a neighborhood in sanfrancisco on sex addiction within Californias LGBT community leading to depravity so awful that there became a subset of addicts call bug chasers looking to get AIDs
Just gotta
Here it is
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/22/addicted-to-chemsex-gay-drugs-film Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 19:53:58 No. 647074
<Now we can understand, in all its sad historical truth, the movement that, for the last thirty years, has transformed the School in the same way. Simultaneously invoking the “democratization of education” (an absolute lie27) and the “necessary adaptation to the modern world” (a half-truth), what is being built by way of all these equally bad reforms is the School of total capitalism, that is, one of the decisive logistical foundations on the basis of which the major transnational corporations—once its process of general restructuring is complete—will be able to prosecute, with all the desired efficacy, the economic world war of the 21st century. <If you were to still harbor the least doubt in this respect, or if you think that what I have said here is an exaggeration, you need only—in accordance with the recommendations of Machiavelli—adopt for a moment the enemy’s point of view and ask yourself what this enemy is condemned to desire given its condition. This effort of verification is fortunately simplified by the fact that the warlords of the warring kingdoms of the world economy, with all their armies of jurists and lawyers, must constantly meet to coordinate their rival strategies and to see to it that what they quite correctly call the governability of this world is never threatened. Hence the existence of a certain number of reports, documents, minutes, special reports, memoranda or mere testimonials which, although they hardly ever reach the general public, are still, at least for now, partially accessible to curious minds and stubborn researchers.28 <This was the case, for example, in September 1995, when, under the aegis of the Gorbachev Foundation, “five hundred leading politicians, businessmen and scientists”29 who considered themselves the world’s elite, met at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco to share their points of view on the destiny of the new civilization. Given its purpose, the forum was governed by the desire to achieve the most rigorous efficiency: “There are strict rules designed to minimize rhetorical ballast: those introducing a subject for debate are given just five minutes, and no contribution is supposed to last for longer than two.”30 Once these ground rules were established, the assembly began by acknowledging, as an obvious fact that did not merit discussion, that “in the next century, 20 percent of the population will suffice to keep the world economy going”. Starting from such a sincere foundation, the forum was able to strictly formulate the main political problem that will confront the capitalist system over the next few decades: how will the world elite be able to continue to govern the eighty percent of surplus humanity, whose uselessness has been programmed by liberal logic? <After the debate, the solution that was finally imposed as the most reasonable was the one proposed by Zbigniew Brzezinski31 under the name of tittytainment. This portmanteau word simply defines a “mixture of deadening entertainment and adequate nourishment [to] keep the world’s frustrated population in relatively good spirits”. This scornful and cynical analysis32 possesses the obvious advantage of defining, with all the clarity that could be desired, the specifications that the world elites assign to the school of the 21st century. Starting from the basis of this analysis, one can deduce, with a minimal margin of error, the a priori forms of any reform destined to reconfigure the educational apparatus exclusively in accordance with the political and financial interests of Capital. Let us take a quick look at this game. <First of all, it is obvious that a system with these characteristics will have to preserve a sector of excellence, devoted to the training of the various scientific, technical and managerial elites at the highest levels. These will become increasingly necessary as the world economic war intensifies. <These poles of excellence, with necessarily very selective conditions for access, will have to continue to rigorously transmit (that is, essentially, they will probably follow the model of the traditional school33) not just sophisticated and creative knowledge, but also (regardless of the hesitations of one or another defender of the system) a minimum of culture and critical spirit without which the acquisition and effective mastery of that knowledge would lack meaning and, above all, any real usefulness. <As for the average technical skills—the European Commission estimates that they have “a lifespan of approximately ten years, and that intellectual capital depreciates by 7% per year, which is conjoined with a corresponding reduction of the efficiency of labor power34”—the problem is somewhat different. They definitely come under the rubric of disposable knowledge, and are just as disposable as the humans that temporarily wield them, insofar as, due to the fact that they are based on routine proficiencies that are adapted to a specific technological context, they lose their relevance as soon as their context is superseded. However, as a result of the communications technology revolution, these routine skills involve abilities that, from a capitalist perspective, only present advantages. A kind of skill that is utilitarian and of a primarily algorithmic nature, that is, a skill that necessarily does not demand either autonomy or the creation of the tools that are used in its practice, is a skill that, under extreme conditions,35 can be learned alone, that is, at one’s own home, in front of a computer with the corresponding educational program. More generally, in the case of intermediate skills, thanks to the use of remote multimedia education, the ruling class will be able to kill two birds with one stone. On the one hand, the major corporations (Olivetti, Philips, Siemens, Ericsson, etc.) will dedicate their efforts to “sell their products on the market of continuing education governed by the laws of supply and demand”.36 On the other hand, tens of thousands of teachers (everyone knows that paying for them represents the main part of the costs of the budget for education) will be rendered completely useless and can therefore be fired, which will allow the state to invest the money thus saved in operations that are more profitable for international corporations. <There remains, of course, the most numerous class: those whom the system destines to continuous unemployment (or employment in a precarious and flexible form, in various dirty jobs, for example), in part because, in the carefully chosen words of the OECD,37 “they will never constitute a profitable market” and because their “social exclusion will become more acute to the extent that the others continue to advance”. It is at this point that tittytainment will have to enter the fray. For it is obvious that the expensive transmission of real, and therefore critical, knowledge, along with the learning of elementary civil behavior or even simply the encouragement of integrity and honesty, is under these circumstances of no interest to the system. In fact, in certain political circumstances, they could even present a threat to its security. It is obviously in this school for the majority where ignorance in all its possible forms must be taught. This is not an easy task, however,38 and up until now, except for some instances of progress, traditional teachers have not received adequate training in this respect. The school of ignorance will require the reeducation of the teachers, that is, it will force them to “work in a different way”, under the enlightened despotism of a powerful and well-organized army of experts in “educational sciences”. Obviously, the main task of these experts will be to define and impose (by every means at the disposal of a hierarchical institution for guaranteeing the submission of those under its tutelage) the pedagogical and material conditions of what Debord called the “dissolution of logic”:39 in other words, “the loss of the ability immediately to perceive what is significant and what is insignificant or irrelevant; what is incompatible or what could well be complementary; all that a particular consequence implies and at the same time all that it excludes….” Debord adds that a student who is educated in this manner “puts himself at the service of the established order right from the start, even though subjectively he may have had quite the opposite intention. He will essentially follow the language of the spectacle, for it is the only one he is familiar with; the one in which he learned to speak. No doubt he would like to be regarded as an enemy of its rhetoric; but he will use its syntax”.40 <As for the elimination of all common decency, that is, the need to transform the student into an uncivil, and if necessary, a violent consumer, this is a task that poses infinitely fewer problems. In this case, all that is needed is to prohibit all effective civic instruction and replace it with any kind of citizens education,41 a conceptual potpourri all the more easily disseminated because, in short, it merely reinforces the dominant discourse of the media and the world of the spectacle. Thus, consumers of rights will be able to be mass produced, intolerant, litigious and politically correct. Therefore, they will be easily manipulable at the same time that they present the indisputable advantage of helping to swell the ranks of the lawyers in accordance with the U.S. model. <Naturally, the goals assigned to what will remain of the public school will presuppose a decisive dual transformation over the more or less long term. On the one hand, there will be a transformation of the teachers, who will have to abandon their current status as subjects who are supposed to know something, in order to become so many facilitators of various value-based or transversal activities, educational field-trips or discussion forums (evidently conceived according to the model of television debates); in order to make their use profitable, they will also be given the responsibility of performing various material and psychological support services. On the other hand, the school will be transformed into a living space, democratic and cheerful, simultaneously a citizens nursery school—in which the organization of parties (the anniversary of the abolition of slavery, Victor Hugo’s birthday, Halloween…) can be entrusted to the parents associations that are so very eager to get involved, with the resulting cost savings—and a place that is liberally open to the representatives of civil society (militants from associations, retired military personnel, entrepreneurs, jugglers or circus performers, etc.) as well as to all the technological or cultural commodities that the major brands, transformed into explicit collaborators in the “educational project”, will judge to be suitable for being sold to the various participants. I also think that the idea will be conceived of placing at the entrance to this great school amusement park a few very simple electronic devices to detect the presence of metallic objects.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 20:05:00 No. 647091
>>647074 In short, OP, your view isn't as outlandish as critics here are making it sound. Part of me wonders if there are actually "glowies" who go around insulting others for "crazy," "weird" or "incel" views in order to stop them from asking legitimate questions. I use pornography and I don't consider myself anti-porn per se, but it seems obvious that the abundance of pornography helps to pacify the populace. You have essentially right-libertarian views being espoused here like "it's just your individual consumer choice, bro," most blatantly at
>>646891 but the point reappears throughout the thread for whatever reason.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 22:11:26 No. 647276
the oldest profession. bread and circus. there are no others. the world is a screen. we dream the world awake.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 22:14:26 No. 647279
every worker is a sex worker. besides pure survival, people work for economic capital. economic capital translates to social capital. social capital translates to mating opportunities. sex and money make the world go round.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 22:42:04 No. 647330
>>646797 No they aren't, you and coom-brains like you are. Stop projecting your pathology onto society.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 22:51:55 No. 647350
Porn, alcohol etc. How is this literally not basic knowledge before posting here? Fuck off
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:06:45 No. 647372
I don't know if porn addiction makes you docile, but it's certainly teaching the zoomer generation which grows up with big free streaming porn websites toxic sexual behavior. Literally 90% of the time the videos ends with a facial, which is degrading for the women. On the front page there is all kinds of disgusting fetishes, grany shit, BDSM, cock torture, sex with machines, interracial cuck shit, etc. - if the people operating those websites had a sense of morals, the front page would only show glittered up erotica but they deliberately play to the lowest urges to turn youg people into freaks. The more people are sexual freaks, the bigger their target audience.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:10:11 No. 647377
>>647372 >On the front page there is all kinds of disgusting fetishes, grany shit, BDSM, cock torture, sex with machines, interracial cuck shit, etc. - if the people operating those websites had a sense of morals, the front page would only show glittered up erotica but they deliberately play to the lowest urges to turn youg people into freaks. The more people are sexual freaks, the bigger their target audience. You know those sites work like youtube right anon…. the front page is based on the porn you watch.
> grany shit, BDSM, cock torture, sex with machines, interracial cuck shit, etc. 💀 💀 💀
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:11:05 No. 647378
>>647377 >the front page is based on the porn you watch. This is a gross over simplification or miss understanding of how this works.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:15:13 No. 647381
>>647378 >This is a gross over simplification or miss understanding of how this works. Not really. Porn sites have way more straight forward algorithms than youtube. It's really nearly 1 to 1 with the type of porn you watch. They don't want to recommend transhumanists to people who aren't into transhumanists and etc.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:15:45 No. 647382
>>646994 >>647002 Porn addiction is bad for communists because it generates misogyny and weird fetishes.
Drug addiction is bad because it puts communists in the prison system and turns them into informants.
Combining these together is a great way to destroy an organization and imprison their leaders on bullshit charges. Having vices is one of the first things glowies look for to use as leverage against you and would absolutely love for you to give them free dirt.
Glowies will also use your watch history to set you up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_undercover_policing_relationships_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_suicide_letter Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:20:20 No. 647390
>>647381 I think you're under estimating how much advertising and what the wider culture is watching (creating a kind of feedback loop) plays in to what sits on the front page.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:23:15 No. 647393
>>647390 >I think you're under estimating how much advertising and what the wider culture is watching (creating a kind of feedback loop) plays in to what sits on the front page. I dunno how to prove it to you other than to tell you to go on a porn site you've never gone on before and experiment for yourself. You'll see how it quickly tailors the content to what you're into. If you search for granny porn they will recommend you granny porn, if you never search for it, they won't. Of course if you have no cookies they are just going to show you the most popular stuff. But if you're getting weird fetishes recommended, it's def because you've been watching weird fetishes or weird fetishes adjacent to those fetishes (If you liked piss porn, you may also like: shit porn!)
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:46:16 No. 647418
>>647377 I just checked the frontpage in incognito mode without an account and while hardcore fetishes like transhumanist shit is more hidden, it still features stuff like:
>Teen somkes a cigarette with her nylon feet up in your face Fetish shit.
>19 year old Young Pinay Meet & Fucked Stranger She Met Online Racist anti-Asian interracial.
>MyFamilyPies - Step Sis "We're breeding material, we want your cum" Implied incest, only putting "step" in front of it to be safe
>Milking My Slave - Real Amateur Edging shit, typical for porn addiction.
>BLACKEDRAW Hot MILF Syren takes on hard BBC Yeah totally normal stuff.
That doesn't even mention the more harmless stuff that is also fucking problematic, like the lolita fetish with the "teen" tag which is completely normalized at this point. Oh, and there was a cam video from a toilet where you don't know if it's real.
This isn't based on an algorithm, this is the "popular videos" category visible on the front page. Do you really think that when you don't have an algorithm, they only show vanilla porn? Do you know how many young people have been traumatized during their first time because they got influenced by this shit?
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:50:21 No. 647421
>>647418 >I just checked the frontpage in incognito mode without an account and while hardcore fetishes like transhumanist shit is more hidden, it still features stuff like: Ok? That's exactly what I said. If no profile exists, they will recommend you what's popular.
But if they are recommending you all this:
>>647372 > grany shit, BDSM, cock torture, sex with machines, interracial cuck shit, etc. It's probably because you've been looking at all that shit.
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:55:00 No. 647423
>>647418 (me)
Also I want to mention how normalized this shit gets. Girls on TikTok describe their past relationships as "previous owners" and all fetish shit is now considered kink, everybody has to be "kink friendly" and if you are not, you are a "kink shamer" or a SWERF. Like, kinks do not happen in a vacuum, if you get turned on by absued your significant other then that is not a good thing. It's getting to point where the idea is furthered that every women gets turned on by being beaten or choked during sex, or they are considered "prude" for not wanting that. That translates to all the softcore shit on Twitch, where everybody does the "cumface", calling everyone "step dad" or "step bro" like seriously what the fuck is this.
However the destructive consequences of modern porn culture have barely been analyzed because so far only zoomers were exposed to it, and at some point pornography becamse "woke".
Anonymous 2021-12-15 (Wed) 23:56:03 No. 647425
>>647421 >It's probably because you've been looking at all that shit. I do not, I barely watch porn. Stop defending this shit.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:04:12 No. 647430
>>647429 >that video
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:05:31 No. 647432
>>647430 >, but there is such a thing as vanilla sex and there is such a thing as sexless marriages. Do you though.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:15:04 No. 647438
Modern capitalist society uses sex (among other vices) to keep the population complacent and distracted. The pursuit of these vices robs you of energy and motivation and distracts you from what is important.>How do we fight against this?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:23:59 No. 647450
>>647382 >Addiction is bad because… That's not the part that needed explaining. What I am getting at is that banning people from things that are addictive is not helpful and/or is too controlling of people's personal life.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:27:18 No. 647453
>>647450 >What I am getting at is that banning people from things that are addictive is not helpful and/or is too controlling of people's personal life. Going cold Turkey is the best way to fight off addiction, every psychologist will tell you that.
Also, the porn industry is incredibly abusive, exploitative and mysogynist.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:29:46 No. 647455
>>647372 It’s funny
Because all I get on my front-page is just regular sex between attractive young people and MILFs
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:30:14 No. 647456
>>647450 >too controlling of people's personal life. I'm not saying that its good the USSR banned drugs and porn or whatever.
What I'm getting at is that parties(inside capitalist states) should control peoples lives to the extent that they vet their members in order to protect themselves from cointelpro. Revolutionaries need to have discipline. Its not a game.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:48:46 No. 647490
>>647453 >Going cold Turkey is the best way to fight off addiction, every psychologist will tell you that. No they wont. This is not at all how healthcare works around addiction.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 00:50:14 No. 647492
>>646824 so the people's party will offer SSRIs or other boner killers to the people's army?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 01:16:28 No. 647539
>>646772 Personally I'd say there's not much wrong with porn itself
though there are certainly types of porn which I reckon should absolutely be banned but rather the porn industry, and the addiction that comes with it.
If I was to use an analogy, think of porn like weed. In some cases there's nothing wrong with having a spliff. You light it up, you get high, you feel good. Hardly anyone is harmed if you're doing it by yourself alone in your room or balcony w/e. And as for where you get your weed? Well say you get it from your mate Brandon who's got his own personal weed farm, or co-op etc. It's a product made for a capitalist MOP for sure, but it's not exactly bad. People under this system do what they need to get by.
But there are other forms of weed which are genuinely fucked up, both in product, both in manufacturing and how they effect their consumers. Becoming a weed addict is certainly a problem, and it winds up fucking with you both mentally and physically and socially. The weed you wind up getting might not be from Brendan, but might be linked to Colombian Cartels, some of which are the most fucked institutions in the drug trade today. And sometimes the weed you consume doesn't do shit for you anymore, you wind up experimenting with more dangerous and fucked up substances of weed- weed that may be laced with heroine, crack etc.
The point being is that sexual imagery itself isn't always bad, but rather the institutions its made from and the addiction to it isn't exactly great. The solution to these problems will look different in each socialist project around the world. For instance, pornography can be viewed and downloaded in China, but it can't be MADE or PRODUCED in China.
If a socialist society decides for there to be "pornography" and produce it, the institutions that make it will likely be made by the people who act in it, direct it etc. In other words, "seize the means of reproduction". However, if a socialist society decides that pornography ought to be banned, then that is their choice. I would also argue that there needs to be institutions that provide rehabilitation to addicts as opposed to outright punitive measurements.
To put it plainly OP, I don't think pornography is as big of a deal in certain PLACES and LOCATIONS as it is in others. Outright banning it imho isn't a universal solution, but its production should be determined by the people who ACTUALLY make it. If they choose to dissolve it, create a certain brand of it, so be it.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 01:16:47 No. 647540
>>646772 >Is there proof the capitalist class finds porn useful to keep the workers docile Yes.
>How does the capitalist class use porn against us? They make porn and sell it to the proles who would then want more as soon as softcore doesn't entertain them. Eventually consumerism would develop amongst porners, which means that capitalists can extract more from the already addicted populace.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 01:19:10 No. 647543
Anchor this thread already.
>>647540 Trash take. Touch gr/ass
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 02:14:14 No. 647609
>>647539 Wise and reasonable post, which is why it will be ignored. Sorry anon, not based enough.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 02:26:57 No. 647623
>>647539 What kind of porn do you think should be banned?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 02:34:41 No. 647633
It's strange how this discussion ignored the concrete evidence pornography was being used for purposes similar to those that the OP suggests at
>>647074 , and just why it's being used for this purpose. Quoting the passage again:
<This was the case, for example, in September 1995, when, under the aegis of the Gorbachev Foundation, “five hundred leading politicians, businessmen and scientists”29 who considered themselves the world’s elite, met at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco to share their points of view on the destiny of the new civilization. Given its purpose, the forum was governed by the desire to achieve the most rigorous efficiency: “There are strict rules designed to minimize rhetorical ballast: those introducing a subject for debate are given just five minutes, and no contribution is supposed to last for longer than two.”30 Once these ground rules were established, the assembly began by acknowledging, as an obvious fact that did not merit discussion, that “in the next century, 20 percent of the population will suffice to keep the world economy going”. Starting from such a sincere foundation, the forum was able to strictly formulate the main political problem that will confront the capitalist system over the next few decades: how will the world elite be able to continue to govern the eighty percent of surplus humanity, whose uselessness has been programmed by liberal logic? <After the debate, the solution that was finally imposed as the most reasonable was the one proposed by Zbigniew Brzezinski31 under the name of tittytainment. This portmanteau word simply defines a “mixture of deadening entertainment and adequate nourishment [to] keep the world’s frustrated population in relatively good spirits”. This scornful and cynical analysis32 possesses the obvious advantage of defining, with all the clarity that could be desired, the specifications that the world elites assign to the school of the 21st century. Starting from the basis of this analysis, one can deduce, with a minimal margin of error, the a priori forms of any reform destined to reconfigure the educational apparatus exclusively in accordance with the political and financial interests of Capital. Let us take a quick look at this game. <First of all, it is obvious that a system with these characteristics will have to preserve a sector of excellence, devoted to the training of the various scientific, technical and managerial elites at the highest levels. These will become increasingly necessary as the world economic war intensifies. <These poles of excellence, with necessarily very selective conditions for access, will have to continue to rigorously transmit (that is, essentially, they will probably follow the model of the traditional school33) not just sophisticated and creative knowledge, but also (regardless of the hesitations of one or another defender of the system) a minimum of culture and critical spirit without which the acquisition and effective mastery of that knowledge would lack meaning and, above all, any real usefulness. <As for the average technical skills—the European Commission estimates that they have “a lifespan of approximately ten years, and that intellectual capital depreciates by 7% per year, which is conjoined with a corresponding reduction of the efficiency of labor power34”—the problem is somewhat different. They definitely come under the rubric of disposable knowledge, and are just as disposable as the humans that temporarily wield them, insofar as, due to the fact that they are based on routine proficiencies that are adapted to a specific technological context, they lose their relevance as soon as their context is superseded. However, as a result of the communications technology revolution, these routine skills involve abilities that, from a capitalist perspective, only present advantages. A kind of skill that is utilitarian and of a primarily algorithmic nature, that is, a skill that necessarily does not demand either autonomy or the creation of the tools that are used in its practice, is a skill that, under extreme conditions,35 can be learned alone, that is, at one’s own home, in front of a computer with the corresponding educational program. More generally, in the case of intermediate skills, thanks to the use of remote multimedia education, the ruling class will be able to kill two birds with one stone. On the one hand, the major corporations (Olivetti, Philips, Siemens, Ericsson, etc.) will dedicate their efforts to “sell their products on the market of continuing education governed by the laws of supply and demand”.36 On the other hand, tens of thousands of teachers (everyone knows that paying for them represents the main part of the costs of the budget for education) will be rendered completely useless and can therefore be fired, which will allow the state to invest the money thus saved in operations that are more profitable for international corporations. <There remains, of course, the most numerous class: those whom the system destines to continuous unemployment (or employment in a precarious and flexible form, in various dirty jobs, for example), in part because, in the carefully chosen words of the OECD,37 “they will never constitute a profitable market” and because their “social exclusion will become more acute to the extent that the others continue to advance”. It is at this point that tittytainment will have to enter the fray. For it is obvious that the expensive transmission of real, and therefore critical, knowledge, along with the learning of elementary civil behavior or even simply the encouragement of integrity and honesty, is under these circumstances of no interest to the system. In fact, in certain political circumstances, they could even present a threat to its security. It is obviously in this school for the majority where ignorance in all its possible forms must be taught. This is not an easy task, however,38 and up until now, except for some instances of progress, traditional teachers have not received adequate training in this respect. The school of ignorance will require the reeducation of the teachers, that is, it will force them to “work in a different way”, under the enlightened despotism of a powerful and well-organized army of experts in “educational sciences”. Obviously, the main task of these experts will be to define and impose (by every means at the disposal of a hierarchical institution for guaranteeing the submission of those under its tutelage) the pedagogical and material conditions of what Debord called the “dissolution of logic”:39 in other words, “the loss of the ability immediately to perceive what is significant and what is insignificant or irrelevant; what is incompatible or what could well be complementary; all that a particular consequence implies and at the same time all that it excludes….” Debord adds that a student who is educated in this manner “puts himself at the service of the established order right from the start, even though subjectively he may have had quite the opposite intention. He will essentially follow the language of the spectacle, for it is the only one he is familiar with; the one in which he learned to speak. No doubt he would like to be regarded as an enemy of its rhetoric; but he will use its syntax”.40 <As for the elimination of all common decency, that is, the need to transform the student into an uncivil, and if necessary, a violent consumer, this is a task that poses infinitely fewer problems. In this case, all that is needed is to prohibit all effective civic instruction and replace it with any kind of citizens education,41 a conceptual potpourri all the more easily disseminated because, in short, it merely reinforces the dominant discourse of the media and the world of the spectacle. Thus, consumers of rights will be able to be mass produced, intolerant, litigious and politically correct. Therefore, they will be easily manipulable at the same time that they present the indisputable advantage of helping to swell the ranks of the lawyers in accordance with the U.S. model. <Naturally, the goals assigned to what will remain of the public school will presuppose a decisive dual transformation over the more or less long term. On the one hand, there will be a transformation of the teachers, who will have to abandon their current status as subjects who are supposed to know something, in order to become so many facilitators of various value-based or transversal activities, educational field-trips or discussion forums (evidently conceived according to the model of television debates); in order to make their use profitable, they will also be given the responsibility of performing various material and psychological support services. On the other hand, the school will be transformed into a living space, democratic and cheerful, simultaneously a citizens nursery school—in which the organization of parties (the anniversary of the abolition of slavery, Victor Hugo’s birthday, Halloween…) can be entrusted to the parents associations that are so very eager to get involved, with the resulting cost savings—and a place that is liberally open to the representatives of civil society (militants from associations, retired military personnel, entrepreneurs, jugglers or circus performers, etc.) as well as to all the technological or cultural commodities that the major brands, transformed into explicit collaborators in the “educational project”, will judge to be suitable for being sold to the various participants. I also think that the idea will be conceived of placing at the entrance to this great school amusement park a few very simple electronic devices to detect the presence of metallic objects. Why did this discussion just descend into polemics about the "moral value" of pornography, as if that's what matters here? Are you liberals or what? Who cares what the moral value of pornography is?
Interestingly this Monthly Review article ties the conference to the direction of the West and imperialism after 9/11 (
https://mronline.org/2007/09/11/9-11-the-illusion-of-a-historic-coup-in-the-course-of-imperialism/ ):
<This “new” civilization is not new at all. It is a revival of pre-capitalist mechanisms. Bent on profit, it perfects sheer force with an engineered deterrence of the masses. This return to pre-capitalist mechanisms does not contradict the evolution of capitalism in its neo-liberal phase: imperialists find no embarrassment in using mechanisms that are below the historic evolutionary level of capitalism as long as it is beneficial for them to do so. The Arab Marxist thinker Hadi el-Alawi notes that “the most advanced of production patterns were always able to employ disintegrated production patterns to develop themselves, but this does not represent a re-establishment of the old pattern, rather this employment comes under the influence of the overall exploitation mechanism.”2 <The “20-80” society mentioned above is a society that will be controlled by a mixture of sheer force and Tittytainment. The new war fest with its hyper-technology, modern soldiers with space-age gadgets, satellite imagery, smart bombs, video images of precision pinpoint hits of enemy targets — all these are not only tools for material and psychological deterrence of the oppressed 80%, but also tools for transforming war from an extreme human tragedy into an “entertaining spectacle,” a Hollywood movie, and an amusing video-game. <It is the double-edged sword: murder and intoxicating entertainment. Two blades that in effect maim the same victim! <This spectacle of power and intoxication definitely did not start on September 11, and the men in spacemen-like outfits in search of an anthrax attack came after the footage of “pinpoint hits” of Iraqi targets during the 1991 Second Gulf War. Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 02:40:35 No. 647639
>>647633 Wtf does this have to do with porn?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 02:45:12 No. 647650
>>647633 i ain't reading that wall of text niBBA, summarize that shit,
>in greentext >point by point, >concisely Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 03:02:37 No. 647677
>>647623 Child Porn. Bestiality.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 03:10:48 No. 647685
>>647639 Do you think pornography has no relation to the “mixture of deadening entertainment and adequate nourishment [to] keep the world’s frustrated population in relatively good spirits” represented by "Tittytainment"?
>>647650 You should read it for yourself. In essence, though, the use of low quality and cheap entertainment was planned as a political strategy to "keep the world's frustrated population in relatively good spirits," on the basis of a predicted and apparently undisputed split between an unnecessary 80% of the populace and a necessary 20% of the populace required to maintain the economic system.
This strategy isn't "new," on the whole, given that the culture industry had already been involved in "keeping the population in line"; it's just an intensification of the same phenomenon aided by the removal of barriers to capital investment and to individual involvement in entertainment sectors like pornography. "Tittytainment" involves more than just pornography, however, in that it involves the influx of a variety of cheap, addictive forms of entertainment. One could relate it to increasing support within "elite" sectors for previously illegal drugs as well, even if there's not the same degree of consensus. That isn't to say drugs or pornography are intrinsically "bad"; it is to say that no one should act naively about either, though, going on about "individual (consumer) choices" as if the consumer choices available and their degree of availability have little or no relation to intentional political choices.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 08:04:53 No. 647899
>>646772 Yes anon that is the reason. I am a reactionary conservative but I think the far right and the far left have a lot more in common than you think. We both believe that there are elites who are oppressing us (which there are), we both believe in strong nationalistic countries, and we both have socialist elements.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 08:08:28 No. 647900
I heard that they deleted all their porn and noone uses it anymore
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 08:16:41 No. 647905
Porn is what happens when capitalism and patriarchy cross paths. Women are a product to be consumed. Destroy capitalism, liberate whores.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 08:45:09 No. 647914
>>647539 Based. Porn industry is bad because industry is bad
>>647899 >We both believe that there are elites who are oppressing us (which there are) Of course the far right wingers fail to understand us. The system oppresses, not the elites.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 12:18:49 No. 648042
>>646772 Many people complain they have turned gay because of porn. I dont think the porn is the problem. Sage to idpol.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 13:09:43 No. 648064
>>648012 Stop projecting, faggot.
Anyone who takes OP or this thread seriously is a fucking retard lol. Just don't spill over to other threads and we're good.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 14:15:42 No. 648121
>>647914 >the system Its not so much the system as it is the people running the system. Of course, the system needs to be fixed, and I can agree. I am economically left wing, and if I as a right winger were to gain power, I would implement sweeping economic reforms. First off I would establish a central bank. Second thing I would do is establish free health care for everyone. Third thing I would do is to establish a mixed economy, where the free market is highly policed and regulated by the government to serve the needs of the people. But don’t get it twisted. I am NOT an egalitarian. I would end immigration from the third world, ban pornography and lock up producers, and make Christianity the state religion. I would not however kill or wrangle up any group of people, as I an not for genocide or anything like that.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 14:59:09 No. 648179
Yes, anon. Your penis is definitely relevant to global class struggle and dialectical materialism.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 15:14:13 No. 648196
>>648121 None of what you said is particularly left wing economics. Do you even know what you are talking about? It doesn’t matter who is the oppressor or the oppressed, as long as the tools of oppression is there.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 15:45:24 No. 648224
>>647677 Real or simulated?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 16:26:04 No. 648252
>>648196 There is ALWAYS going to be oppressors and oppressed people in the world anon. That’s what marxists don’t understand.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 16:35:12 No. 648256
>>648252 Big if true.
The dialectics must flow Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:09:55 No. 648291
>>648256 >>648258 Marxists have to do mental gymnastics to justify their ideology, I dont.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:22:43 No. 648307
>>648291 It's easy to hold an ideology when it has literally no consequence IRL.
Now off back to fbi.gov with you, faggot.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:35:09 No. 648315
>>648307 I don’t even know what you mean by that. All I know is that if you have to read a thousand books and get a doctorate in philosophy in order to understand an ideology, then it probably has no real world applications. And you think I’m an FBI agent? Bruh.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 17:45:32 No. 648325
>>648315 Lurk moar newfaggot.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:01:22 No. 648348
>>648121 >make Christianity the state religion Cringe
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 18:06:52 No. 648354
>>648348 Christ is real. You’ll see one day anon : )
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:02:04 No. 648505
>>646824 If you don’t coom you just become horny and want to fuck more often. Maybe useful for incels who are trying to get laid, or to people who want an impetus to socialize more, but otherwise cooming is the release valve that lets you focus on something else. God redeem us for our sins.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:06:02 No. 648509
>>647455 I get about half a page of step-mom and step-sister porn, which is annoying because I avoid that stuff. But I also delete cookies, so I don’t know if that is actually the default recommended shit. You know how hard it can be to find MILF porn that isn’t step-mom porn?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:27:17 No. 648536
>>648509 Considering how few guys have a step mom or a step sister, let alone a hot one they live in the same household with, I am convinced we are dealing with an oedpial complex, or at least a hidden incestous fetish, because let's be honest, the only reason they add the prefix "step" is to make it not completely disgusting at first glance.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:35:49 No. 648548
>>648224 >Real or simulated? :^)
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:37:02 No. 648549
>>648536 Yeah, that’s what drives me crazy about it. When I was in high school I would look up MILF porn because there was something a little inherently dirty an adult woman coming onto a teenager. But now I’m an adult in my early 30s, and I’ve come to realize porn calls 30 year old women “MILFs”. But 80% of MILF porn is somebody saying “dad’s going to be home soon we can’t!” and my dick shrivels in disgust.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:47:36 No. 648567
>>648315 >I don’t even know what you mean by that. All I know is that if you have to read a thousand books and get a doctorate in philosophy in order to understand an ideology, then it probably has no real world applications That's like saying nuclear or molecular physics has no real world application because you likely have to invest a lot of time and effort reading about it in order to understand said fields.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:51:57 No. 648572
Porn makes men docile because all sexual activities designed primarily for the purpose of pleasure only serve to dull the minds of the people who perform them. Same goes for anal, oral, whatever other fucked up stuff people do nowadays. Under socialism such behaviors will be rooted out, so that the mind of the proletariat remains unclouded by crass material desires
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:52:00 No. 648573
>>648121 >"left" >"right" >not the system, the people running it Are you a teenager or just uneducated?
>religion Ah, say no more.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 20:54:37 No. 648579
>>648121 >"I want to implement all of these government policies which inherently involve the use the of force and violence, if for no other reason then using what is inherently a monopoly on violence" >"B-but I don't want to kill or wrangle up any people, n-nothing like that, h-ha ha" Either stop being a political larper with zero understanding of what his views entail, or fuck off with this masturbatory sense of intellectual superiority that you have despite admitting to understanding nothing you are arguing against. You don't even understand what you yourself stand for, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously when talking of others?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:00:14 No. 648584
>>648536 >the only reason they add the prefix "step" is to make it not completely disgusting at first glance. Im pretty sure they do that for legal reason anon.
>>648549 >I’ve come to realize porn calls 30 year old women “MILFs”. How is that incorrect though? A ton of 30ish year olds have kids. You must have noticed, it's one of the worst thing about getting to our age.
>>648579 Why bite
THOUGH ?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:02:05 No. 648588
>>647899 >but I think the far right and the far left have a lot more in common than you think. Literally nothing in common.
>We both believe that there are elites who are oppressing us (which there are), It's not about some nebulous "elites", and it's not about "oppression" second of context, it's about the capitalist class and it's relation to the proletariat in regards to wage labour.
>we both believe in strong nationalistic countries, No. We "believe" in a singular end goal, and may utilize national liberation struggles to that end, but recognize that nationalism is itself weak and incapable in superseding global capitalism overall You believe in nationalism as an end in of itself, and so inevitably condemn us to impotency and collapse.
>and we both have socialist elements. There is not a single socialist element to anything you have stated in this thread. Regulation and a central bank are not "socialist", those are things you already have in your capitalist society.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:02:35 No. 648589
>>648579 He’s just a larper if he draws the line at taking actual action. I for one would be more than happy to enforce proletarian morality at gunpoint, as great socialist states of the past have
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:04:18 No. 648595
>>648315 >All I know is that if you have to read a thousand books and get a doctorate in philosophy in order to understand an ideology, then it probably has no real world applications. Understanding anything, whether it's useful or useless, requires that you devote time to studying the subject.
Really, this mindset is more indicative of someone who doesn't read very much, because the underlying assumption is that reading a book is a significant event and "1,000 books" nearly impossible. The actual number of books needed for a basic familiarity with Marxism is highly exaggerated anyway. I'd say less than 100, and between 20-50 with a prior background in philosophy would be enough for understanding Marxism. That doesn't mean perfect understanding, but you'd be understanding "Marxism" more than most Marxists online.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:16:32 No. 648605
>>648601 Hah! Consider anon that there is not really a thing as 'adult' as we're taught to understand it and everyone is just faking it until they making it.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:21:22 No. 648615
>>648605 >the anarchist is also a pedophile Unsurprising
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:23:03 No. 648617
>>648584 Nice unsourced Facebook meme grandpa
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:25:52 No. 648625
>>648567 Truth is simple to understand. Marxism is mental gymnastics.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:31:56 No. 648630
>>648625 >Truth is simple to understand. t. 'lighting is caused by thor's hammerstrikes' enjoyer
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:36:15 No. 648634
>>648615 >pedophile picrel
>>648617 >properly sourced memes kek
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:46:09 No. 648646
>>648635 >thinks he will be an adult one day <t. biological child This is an over 18s board sir.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:47:22 No. 648650
>>648646 Cute comeback, must have gotten lots of epic Reddit gold where it was first posted!
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 21:50:39 No. 648659
>>648652 This. Reminder that Lenin and Stalin has prostitutes shot without trial and rightly so
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:19:02 No. 648698
>>648652 >Prostitutes on the side of the street are literally enslaving men to them Completely retarded. There isn't an ounce of Marxism to this, all this is doing is treating Marxism like a box in which the person's preheld beliefs are thrown in, shaken up, and then presented as wholly "Marxist" despite just being no such thing. Even Marx saw prostitution as a symptom of capitalism, not prostitutes as capitalists proper in of themselves.
>>648659 >This. Reminder that Lenin and Stalin has prostitutes shot without trial and rightly so There is literally zero proof for this. The only "proof" that exists is a poorly translated letter by Libcom that is done in a way intended to slander Lenin, depaite the event having no record of ever occuring in the first place. Both Stalin and Lenin followed a policy of material assistance and reeducation, and this is reflected by the actual policies of the USSR.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:32:19 No. 648724
>>648650 <people havin normal conversation >YOUR A PEDO <uhhh, what? >ABOLISH BED TIMES AGE IS JUST A NUMBER THAT'S YOU!! Have you ever heard of the lady who doth protest to much? You will never be allowed around children and rightly so anon.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:54:59 No. 648745
>>648698 >>648698 This is just retarded deflection and going
I don’t blame third world prostitutes for doing what they do, because for them it can literally be the difference between surviving or starvation.
First world sex workers on the other hand, are opportunistic parasites who want nothing more than for the status quo to continue unabated because they are massively profiting from the disfunction of capitalist society.
If you find yourself unironically defending these parasites you need to stop calling yourself a leftist immediately.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 22:58:24 No. 648748
>>648746 The funny thing is tons of these parasites openly brag on social media about how much they make.
You are a parasite just like them and belong in a ditch.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:02:28 No. 648757
>>648748 >The funny thing is tons of these parasites openly brag on social media about how much they make. Have you considered when you are hate-scrolling some rare e-phor who makes a lot of money is not representative of sex workers?
>The funny thing is tons of these parasites openly brag on social media about how much they make. OHai Ginjeet. Are you drunk again?
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:10:09 No. 648771
>>648757 Sex work, like any parasitic hyper capitalist scheme, is highly hierarchical and the prettiest women make the most money.
Just because there are losers not making the big bucks doesn’t mean sex work isn’t a parasitic cancer on society.
Not even in your defense of sex can you even pretend to be leftist. Tic top, leech.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:14:59 No. 648780
>>648771 >Sex work, like any parasitic hyper capitalist scheme, is highly hierarchical and the prettiest women make the most money. What kind of Sex-Work ginjeet? Again, a porn-actress and a cam-girl on only-fans w/e are different categories. If you actually bothered to meet these people as opposed to screech at them, you'd probably know there's a lot more nuance to this.
Ok, protestant.
Not an argument. Go back to making shitty leech edits.
Anonymous 2021-12-16 (Thu) 23:18:30 No. 648790
>>648780 >t-there’s nuance to my parasitic lifestyle! >s-some of us don’t make as much as the prettier girls <that means I’m justified I’m being a cancer to society and directly profiting off of capitalist disfunction, oppression and alienation! Not an argument. You are not a leftist. You are going in the ditch.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:11:41 No. 648848
>>648790 >that means I’m justified I’m being a cancer to society and directly profiting off of capitalist disfunction, oppression and alienation! Isn't this anyone who makes money off of anyone though? That's just a fundamental aspect of the system. If I for example sell a used item, someone is inevitably going to buy that item that is doing so due to some form of capitalist disfuction. I need to do it to make some extra money to survive, even though the reasons they are buying it may be for less then favorable. Hell, if you sell even one stock, you are in essence doing this.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:15:18 No. 648849
>>648745 >First world sex workers on the other hand, are opportunistic parasites who want nothing more than for the status quo to continue unabated because they are massively profiting from the disfunction of capitalist society. To begin with, you said prostitutes, and then tried to reference Lenin in your argument. There was zero distinction between first and third world. Also, what you stated only means that those who wish for the status quo to continue would be our enemies, not those who don't. Taking issue with those who don't would be a complete waste of time, as those people would then be more then willing to leave said profession with a change in the system.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:16:34 No. 648850
>>646836 under rated shitpost
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:21:54 No. 648859
>>647372 Grannies need to have sex too anon. What is so disgusting about grannies?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-12-17 (Fri) 00:26:55 No. 648863
>>647633 This is some pretty insane shit anon, saving
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 04:52:12 No. 649099
Porn is a cope for ugly, soft-spoken loser guys like me who have been rejected by every single girl they've ever liked, have never been desired, have never even held hands with a girl. I don't even like porn anymore but I just go through the motions to coom.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 05:35:48 No. 649112
>>649110 >read this anime pfp tr00n retard that doesn't even understand the words he uses.
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 13:05:07 No. 649357
>>649110 > retard who never read a single Marxist text uses loli as their default pic while accusing BreadTubers being pedophiles
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 13:36:09 No. 649379
>>648064 >Stop projecting, faggot. <implying porn is le good You will never be part of society's winners. People who live decent happy lives don't watch porn. Bonus points if they have GOD in their lives.
t. Christcom
Anonymous 2021-12-17 (Fri) 14:52:35 No. 649439
>>649383 >christians are mentally incapacitated except that they aren't. try again next time
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:37:22 No. 662627
bumpa
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:43:14 No. 662632
>>662627 >Bumping an inactive thread with a discussion that's largely concluded Sage to your bump.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:45:40 No. 662636
>>646959 even "atheistic" americans harbour incredibly deep christian shame that ends up in their puritanical stances on sex and the spreading of "civilisation"
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:47:40 No. 662638
>>662632 Mods said we can't have any other threads on porn until this one hits the limit. I'd post in the one that actually has posts from less than 10 days ago but it's saged.
>>662624 Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:51:27 No. 662639
>>662638 >Mods said we can't have any other threads on porn until this one hits the limit. I'd post in the one that actually has posts from less than 10 days ago but it's saged. Why are we trying to have threads on porn in the first place? There are actual arguments worth having in other threads, and you waste your time here regarding something that's been done to death. Anons already said what they needed to say here, what's the point in dragging it out until the bump limit?
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:52:38 No. 662640
>>662639 >Why are we trying to have threads on porn in the first place? There are actual arguments worth having in other threads, and you waste your time here regarding something that's been done to death. Anons already said what they needed to say here, what's the point in dragging it out until the bump limit? I don't know, like I said there was active discussion in another thread, but the mods said we have to finish this one first.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:57:05 No. 662641
>>662640 >but the mods said we have to finish this one first …but we did finish this one. How the fuck do they expect this to hit the bump limit, shitposting and baiting an argument?
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:59:05 No. 662643
>>646772 No but you being a humongous homosexual faggot is not a secret and a weapon against this board.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:59:15 No. 662644
>>662641 >…but we did finish this one. How the fuck do they expect this to hit the bump limit, shitposting and baiting an argument? I don't know bro? The OPs are completely different in both threads,
>>646772 >>662641 But we can't have another thread about porn until this one is filled. Thanks for the good work comrade.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 09:00:05 No. 662646
>>662644 Meant to link the other thread but at least I helped this thread fill.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 10:03:07 No. 662668
>>662644 >The OPs are completely different in both threads, It is going to be the same people shilling the same nonsense.
Let’s not pretend otherwise.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 17:38:15 No. 663043
>>646772 It's an ancient method of pacification. Boobs and circuses
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 19:31:36 No. 663153
>>663043 In our contemporary case however, this isn't primarily a strategy by government to mitigate unrest. Its about individual profit, regardless of (large) social & economic damage.
Anonymous 2021-12-29 (Wed) 11:24:32 No. 665448
Yes, just like vidya.
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 00:21:02 No. 669835
>>669832 >just don't participate in capitalism bro! it's completely optional it's your own fault if you do it Dropped your memeflag bro.
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 01:49:07 No. 669946
>>669835 >just don't participate in capitalism bro do you think clicking on an ass compilation video by your own free will is capitalism?
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 03:12:32 No. 670019
>>646772 why are right wingers so obsessed with porn?
Do you really find dicks on a screen so addicting? weird
Anonymous 2022-01-02 (Sun) 03:31:01 No. 670035
>>670026 more like a hell, the eastern bloc was extremely progressive compared to the west, be it for women's rights, gays etc. The USSR was the first granting equality between men and women, providing access to the workforce and the armed forces to the latter after all. Conservatives seethed of course and there were some setbacks but people enjoyed what would come in the west only half a century latter after many struggles.
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