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 No.649975[View All]

How can an emerging socialist nation deal with:
>Capital flight
>Brain drain
>Economic sanctions and embargoes
>Shunning from the international community
>imperialist invasions and other glow-ops
without collapsing in just a few years or having low standards of living for its citizens?
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 No.651712

>>649975
>Capital Flight
Expropriation of private property and instituting a planned economy
>Brain drain
Investing money in large infrastructure projects which creates jobs for engineers and improves HDI, building hospitals, devoting a large amount of public funds towards scientific research
>Shinning from the international community
Somewhat unavoidable, the only thing that you can really do is try to find trading partners in emerging countries + China, since they'll trade with anyone. Best case scenario you'll just have to deal with burgers, and the EU won't mind you as much, but that's still somewhat outside of your control and depends on what country exactly you're talking about.
>Imperialist invasions etc. etc.
Purge reactionary army officials (most important, especially in Latin America), dedicate funds to defense-oriented military build-up, if possible (not today, but maybe in future geopolitical landscape) ally yourself to a country sympathetic to yours that has a larger military.

 No.651839

>Brain drain
We might just have to live with this and create a new generation of intellectuals through a strong education system like what they did in Cuba.

 No.652038

>>650710
>AES
What did he mean by this…

 No.652042

>>649975
>Capital flight
The goal of communists is to eradicate capital so this is a non issue
>Brain drain
>Economic sanctions and embargoes
>Shunning from the international community
>imperialist invasions and other glow-ops
The revolution must be international so these things don't happen or else any successful revolution will eventually degrade like the USSR

 No.652044

>>652038
Any nation that is opposed by the US or has a red flag

 No.652049

>>652047
What is winning like in your opinion?

 No.652070

>>652042
>The revolution must be international
lol RIP socialism then

 No.652180

>>652070
The world revolution has always been a vital part of the proletarian struggle and without it the any dotp will be unable to sustain itself

 No.652189

>>652070
how is an international revolution less practical than a national one, especially in the 21st century

 No.652198

>>650325
based stasi yet again

 No.652308

>>649981
Why didn't he just create more gulags?

 No.652328

>>652189
a national revolution is impractical anyway, see socialism in one country

 No.652337

>>650299
What is the source for this "Stasi plan"/analysis? I believe you since I think I saw a video before I just don't remember where.
>>649975
It's called Market Socialism/Dengism/whatever buzzword you want to call it etc.
Seems to be working pretty well in countering all problems. All remaining socialist states have embarked on this path.

 No.652339

>>652328
>"Socialism in one country" turned to "socialism in eastern europe + 1 country" turned to "socialism in china + eastern europe + 1 country" turned to etc. etc.
trotskyist cope over Stalin is hilarious seeing as 1/3 of the Earth's landmass went socialist proving Stalin right in biding time and focusing on Russia first. Meanwhile trot retards would have started WW2 early and immolated the entire socialist sphere of influence 60 years before it actually fell.

 No.652459

>>652189
How many international revolutions have there been in History?

 No.652462

>>652180
>without it the any dotp will be unable to sustain itself
Yeah bros I'm thinking it's over for communism.

 No.652477

>>652459
europe, in 1917-1920
catalonia

 No.652478

>>652477
oh, forgot about 1848

 No.652517

>>652459
The international revolutionary wave unleashed by bolshevism, a rare time when workers internationalism, solidarity, proletarian militancy, communist parties and communist thought were in cohesion and alignment with one another.
>>652462
not with that attitude

 No.652532

>>649986
That's a very convoluted way of saying that you are a snowflake anti-communist.

 No.652582

>>652459
To give one example the revolution of capitalist industrial production accomplished the most pervasive and complete transformation of social relations in history.

 No.653909

>>652477
lmao you're funny. but not very bright

 No.653910

>>652517
youre completely delusional, read history books again

 No.655255

Worldwide international revolution is a complete pipe dream. Might as well become a Posadist and hope the ayys bring us communism.

 No.656355

>>650680
yes anon, a state taking the value of your surplus labour for itself is the same as the capitalist-worker relation.
<B-BUT THEY REINVEST IT INTO THE ECONOMY!1
yeah so do capitalists with muh jawbs

 No.656461

>>656355
DPRK confirmed to be the only socialist state according to this line of logic
>flagfag
Shall NOT read further replies.

 No.656463


 No.656551

>>652532
But I am a social democrat

 No.657059

Socialist society will be so good that everybody will want to live there. The real question is what do you do about the massive amounts of illegal immigrants coming into your country?

 No.657066

>>649975
>guns
>guns
>nukes
>nukes
>guns & nukes

 No.657070

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>>649999
BASED QUADS

 No.657088

>>649975
>Capital flight
Capital controls
>Brain drain
Students in higher education get payed a wage like it's their job to produce an educated mind, but it also comes with obligations. Maybe getting payed as student might even reverse the direction of brain drain, at least for the people that are in it for the knowledge rather than a career. Many intelligent people from poor backgrounds in capitalist countries might come because they can't afford education, where they are from.
>Economic sanctions and embargoes
that's one way saying waging war against civilians, maybe that can be helped by having special operations targeted at specifically the faction of capital that are lobbying for this.
>Shunning from the international community
Doesn't matter if you have good enough diplomacy
>imperialist invasions
nuclear deterrent + armed and trained population
>and other glow-ops
most spy operations that fail, do so because they got tricked by honey-pot counter espionage. So lots of that.

 No.657094

>>657059
>The real question is what do you do about the massive amounts of illegal immigrants coming into your country?
It's simple: you spread propaganda in foreign media that your country is a "totalitarian shithole".

 No.657095

By being a big enough economic block. There's no real other solution. At least half of Europe or bust.

 No.679755

>>649999
Czeched

 No.679759

>>650189
>90% of cunts on earth have nothing against china.
Now you're just lying for the sake of it

 No.679810

>>650294
>so wealth is still what matters in the end
Wealth alone has limited value if it has no means of reproducing itself. Capital flight might be an issue, but not one of apocalyptic magnitude.

 No.680046

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>>649999
checked

 No.680148

>>649999
checked and screencap'd.

 No.681108

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>>649999
These quads mmmm, delicious.

 No.681267

>>649975
world revolution.

you're not a "socialism in one country" cuck, right??

 No.681466

>>649999
Make this a banner

 No.681468

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>>650310
>can't get any gas
>I'll just idle my car in line for 2+ hours
>I don't have time to make it to work by walking
>So I'll just idle my car in line for 2+ hours

 No.681475


 No.681754

>>651712
>try to find trading partners in emerging countries + China
Reminder that China and Venezuela repeatedly voted for sanctions against the DPRK.

 No.681777

>>652189
>bourgeois revolution happens in France in 1789
>the rest of Europe, including bourgeois Great Britain goes apeshit, fights it and ultimately defeats it in 1815
>Ancient Règime is re-established on all Europe.
>"See? Constitutionalism and parliamentarism has failed every time it was tried. What? Great Britain has a king! So it's not real parliamentarism!"
>1848 happens
>Undergound revolutionary movements for Constitution happen throughout Europe
>success of every revolution depends on how developed capitalism and the capitalist class is in that country
>Here we go, we established Constitutionalism, the political expression of Capitalism

>…


>socialist revolution happens in Russia in 1917

>the rest of Europe, including bourgeois Great Britain goes apeshit, fights it and ultimately defeats it in 1991
>Liberalism is re-established on all the world.
>"See? Communism has failed every time it was tried. What? Cuba has wage labour! So it's not real socialism!"
>You are here

 No.681782

>>649999
anybody got that schizo leftypol-letter, that was sent to the cuban embassy?

 No.681785

>>650209
>The Civil War was nonimportant
what did he mean by this? millions of people perished

 No.682219

>>652477
>Continental Europe and Ottoman Empire (Sort of)
>GUYSSS INTERNATIONAL IS WHEN VOLUNTEER BRIGADES FROM OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND THE US
>>652478
Western/Central Europe, not even completely

Anything else buddy? So far that's not even an entire continent

 No.682364



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