/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Because Maoism was originally supposed to be Marxism Leninism applied to China's conditions. It was never meant to be universally applicable until Chairfaggot Gonzalo's ridiculously claimed it was

Also are Merkel's titties really this big?

Hi Comrade I post articles from Maoist sites on leftypol every few weeks but do not partake in sharing opinions on this site. If possible I will get a response for you from a Maoist.

>>655077
>Hi Comrade I post articles from Maoist sites on leftypol every few weeks but do not partake in sharing opinions on this site. If possible I will get a response for you from a Maoist.


are you the guy that posts gonzalo threads

>>655078
There is an anti Maoist on the site who false flags as a Maoist to make us look bad. I think he has for the most part got bored of it.

I sometimes post full articles from Maoist sites here.

>>655079
>There is an anti Maoist on the site who false flags as a Maoist to make us look bad. I think he has for the most part got bored of it.


hmm i see well then that makes sense.

>>655060
>Peru failed.
True, but I can say that about almost any tendency, including how Marxism Leninism failed in Burkina Faso, or Yugoslavia, or Albania. Does that mean we should COMPLETELY chuck their accomplishments or contributions out the window? Fuck no. I don't know if you're paying attention OP but I'm pretty sure you're aware a revolution doesn't happen over-night, and nor is it in any way shape or form garunteed to bring socialism immediately.

>India failed.
How? Maoist cells are still active and are waging a war against the Indian government. The fact that they've held out this long should be an indicator that they're far from "failing" especially owing to how other indian tribes who the government purposefully neglects/ persecutes have joined them.

>Philippines largely failed.
Again, how? They're still active and still aid communities which again are repressed or severely neglected by the state.

<And most Maoist terrorist groups in the Western countries aren't even worth mentioning as they were mostly extremely stupid college students who hurt themselves more than they hurt anyone else, especially the bourgeoisie.
Not disputing that, but I doubt such titles could be applied to the Black Panthers who were MLM.

Unless the fight is over, and these Maoist groups disband and cease their fighting then they haven't "failed". You can say they're losing, for sure, but owing to Maoists having taken charge in Nepal it's not something we should thumb our nose up at.

Lord knows I'm not a Maoist, but I'm not going to promote needless secretarianism because of Chairman Gonzalo.

>>655077
>>655060
I seem unable to access my proton mail or my reddit account so I can't really contact people (sus).

So as my own response I would say.

Note I haven't read much which is why I avoid sharing my opinion.


>"Peru failed.
>India failed.
>Philippines largely failed."

India and the Philippines didn't fail and are in strategic defensive which is a stage of the revolution where you engage in gurrila warfare to weaken the state whist gaining support of the people and building up your own strength.

Peru is the only peoples war which has ever failed Gonzalo had a rare medical condition and was found when authorities found his rare medicine in his homes bin. The authorities took all the revolutions info that was on his pc and also tricked the public into think Gonzalo wants people to stop armed struggle. The Peru revolution is now back in strategic defensive.

How is Maoism universally applicable if its basically only successfully been brought to power in like two countries? People's war has won in more than two countries showing it can be applied to any country. You actually give us too much credit Maoists have not taken power twice although Marxists Leninists through peoples war have. Maoism didn't exist untill like 1989.

>>655073
Yes. She has some nice milkers. That's about it.

>>655088
<Strategic retreat
Dude it has been 53 years in the Philippines.The fact that they're not even capable of having 25000 rifles available (as Sison publicly admitted) in a country of 100million is a testament to their strategic incapability.
And this is not to talk about Peru or Turkey which literally are beyond parody.

>>655073
>>655095
Germans have usually large enough booba but lack in shape

Idiotic logic. Same shit neoliberals say to argue socialism has 'failed'

>>655176
No, more like this is the same argument leninists use to say anarchism is a failure, and they’re right then too

Capitalism is in it's last stage, rotting at the core and impotent, just on the verge of total collapse.
Also, capitalism is an omnipotent totalizing god-machine that crushes every attempt at revolution.
No I will not elaborate.

>>655082
>Marxism Leninism failed in Burkina Faso, or Yugoslavia, or Albania.
Yugoslavia and Albania were actual nation states that had some socialist system for decades. Gonzaloids never had much power over any territory and didn't manage to rule a single state in 50 years. Naxalites have also been trying since 1968. This is a huge failure. Them being active in tiny numbers doesn't really mean shit.

the soviet union doesn't exist anymore
checkmate commies

>>655082
>including how Marxism Leninism failed in Burkina Faso, or Yugoslavia, or Albania.
All of this is just wrong. Yugoslavia wasn't ML, and they held power for a long time. Burkina Faso and Albania didn't fail. Unless of course you wanna argue that because they're no longer communist they failed, but that's besides the point of this thread. There are many ML revolutions that failed, but your examples are shit.

>>655082
>Black Panthers who were MLM.
The BPP was Maoist but not MLM which is a separate term.

>You can say they're losing, for sure, but owing to Maoists having taken charge in Nepal
More like owing to the prince who killed his entire royal family. And all the Maoists do in Nepal is bicker about muh revisionism while being involved in the most milquetoast social democracy.

>needless secretarianism because of Chairman Gonzalo
Gonzaloids are the Marxist version of ISIS calling every other Muslim an infidel

>>655201
They are takfiri indeed.

>>655201
>>655199
>>655201

I mean in the sense that they "failed" in the sense that they either turned away from socialism or are no longer around. And being "maoist" opposed to MLM is news to me. I thought the two terms were interchangeable.

Also
>Yugoslavia not being ML.
Elaborate.

>>655060
ALL modern socialist revolutions have failed except the handful which were facing weak, inept states that had lost most of their legitimacy (Russia, China, Ethiopia) or had collapsed due to war (post-WWII Eastern Europe).

Revolution is not merely a question of ideology, it's a matter of whether the bourgeois order is capable of either granting concessions to the working class, or repressing them with military force. History has shown that if either is still possible, the revolution will not succeed.

>>655225
>except the handful which were facing weak, inept states that had lost most of their legitimacy
Revolution in storeshittistahn looking likely

A better question is why are dengists building Israel and why did they sell arms to the contras and support the Afghan Mujihadeen?

>>655231
Exactly.

>>655060
Their guerilla warfare theory is more than excellent sadly mautist leaders are no to so excellent.

>>655060
Because most "Maoists" are just red Anarchists with riot and violence fetish (nothing against our sensible anarchist comrades). The most fundamental tenet from Mao is the (material) support of the people. You don't get that from acting like an asshole.

The Three Main Rules of Discipline:

>Obey orders in all your actions.(一切行动听指挥)
>Do not take a single needle or piece of thread from the masses.(不拿群众一针一线)
>Turn in everything captured.(一切缴获要归公)

The Eight Points for Attention:

>Speak politely.(说话和气)
>Pay fairly for what you buy.(买卖公平)
>Return everything you borrow.(借东西要还)
>Pay for anything you damage.(损坏东西要赔偿)
>Do not hit or swear at people.(不打人骂人)
>Do not damage crops.(不损坏庄稼)
>Do not take liberties with women.(不调戏妇女)
>Do not ill-treat captives.(不虐待俘虏)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rules_of_Discipline_and_Eight_Points_for_Attention

Try to apply these simple points instead of theorizing about some kind of abstract universal notion of Mao.

>>655060
>Stalinists; how come almost every attempt at the one party state failed?
<The USSR failed.
<Albania failed.
<Cuba largely failed.
<And most ML communist parties in the Western countries aren't even worth mentioning as they were mostly extremely stupid college students who hurt themselves more than they hurt anyone else, especially the bourgeoisie.

>Anarchists; how come almost every attempt at the free union of peoples failed?
<Ukraine failed.
<Spain failed.
<The Neo-Zapatistas largely failed.
<And most anarchists terrorist groups in the Western countries aren't even worth mentioning as they were mostly extremely stupid college students who hurt trashcans more than they hurt anyone else, especially the bourgeoisie.

ect, ect

>>655082
>How? Maoist cells are still active and are waging a war against the Indian government. The fact that they've held out this long should be an indicator that they're far from "failing" especially owing to how other indian tribes who the government purposefully neglects/ persecutes have joined them.

Is sorta like the Chiapas conflict i.e. the central government is unable to completely snuff them out, but they have no means (or interest in the Mexican case) of taking over the country.

>>655225
Wonderfully said, anon.

>>655060
This is true, that's why I am an Avakianite.

>>655231
And Maoists will lead the charge on the left. Maoists are the only tendency who recognize preparing for revolution before conditions materialize.

>>655288
>The USSR failed.
The USSR shaped the course of history and was a superpower that existed for decades while Gonzalo couldn't even conquer a jungle in 5 decades of which he rotted 3 decades in a jail cell because his ass was firmly planted in Lima while he let others fight for him because of some vague disease he had claimed to have. Great guerilla.

Naxalites have been active since 1960s and haven't founded a single state or had any noticeable territory.

But I know: PPW is the goal itself. Maotism is a dogma and the more PPW the do, the more free from sin you are.

>>656091
>Maoists are the only tendency who recognize preparing for revolution before conditions materialize.
Preparing for revolution in reality: Building a mass basis using legal and illegal means

Preparing for revolution in Maotist delusions: Buying weapons and chilling in a forest and bombing embassies and doing cultism

>>655073
>Also are Merkel's titties really this big?
There's at least one nude photo of her when she was younger and slimmer. Going by that, probably.

>>656127
Dayum east germany looking like a paradise with all dem naked bitches 😳

>>656127
>>655060

Great, you made me wanna do angela merkel. Both of them.

>>656134
>Dayum east germany looking like a paradise with all dem naked bitches #
-Freikörperkultur was never isolated to only east germany.
-People like you are the problem. The reason we cannot have more nice things because you incels and crypto-incels cannot stand to see naked people without the pathological need to sexualize their bodies.
-You deserve a slap for caling women bitches for no other reason than them existing and being women.
Fuck I hate you yankees.

>>656225
what's even the point of naturism? is it just to be contrarian or some shit?

>>656093
the point was the criteria for failure is so broad and ill-defined that you can easily slot any project into "failure" and sidestep any critical discussion in order to deride ideology you don't like and parade ideology you do like, all while sidestepping any points on the ideology's actual efficacy in different situations and historical viability in past and current moments around the world. Such is the faggotry of OP.

>>656227
>what's even the point of naturism?
I dont understand what that means. What is the point in most things people do for pleasure?
>>656231
<noooo, it's your fault for being naked, i'm not a weird perv i'm just acting according to present social mores!!
shut the fuck up american.

>>656225
>Hates yankees
<Those arabs and pakis are ruining europe for women
What even are you, madame?

The Peruvian revolution will succeed comrade! We just need to kill some more dogs!

>>656225
I apologize, mistress… please punish me for my indiscretion 😳

>>656240
There's nothing wrong with nudity. I'm just pointing out the foolishness of acting surprised when people don't like transgressive behavior. You should transgress, and do it proudly.

>>656225
>Freikörp
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

>>656317
Not the freikorps, famalam

>>656242
>>656317
>something something muh ebil arabs and pakies, something something muh Freikörps.
What the fuck are you on about? Are we being raided?

>>656240
>shut the fuck up american.
I'm going to masturbate to both of those pictures and there is nothing you can do about it. In fact, I'm going to imagine your likeness and cum to it later. You will pry my cock from my cold dead hands at the bottom of an ocean of watery spunk.

Every picture you have posted anywhere of yourself ,nude or not, will eventually by datamined and fed into the training of porn AI generators. The features of your body will be forever onwards rearranged for people to masturbate to. Your likeness of face and body will dance, intermingled with countless others, into every kind of perversion, every fetish and every taboo long after you are dead. That is yourour legacy. In the end, we are all one in the coom.

Just as you have masturbated, you will be masturbated to. Amen.

>>656317
Oh man they're down

>>656332
whats the context?

>>656319
>>656323
It was a joke you tards. Sop being like picrel.

>>656225
Easily the worst poster on this website. Get professional help for your personality disorder.

>>656336
I don't know, something south of russia, with cops abusing their powers. The usual.

>>656339
What was the joke? I unironicaly don't get it.
>>656341
NO U

>>656278
Oh Shay. You're so precious. Never change.

>>656225
>>656323
falseflag

>>656356
> I unironicaly don't get it.
picrel is obtuse angle anon…

>>656323
What are you? What’s your nationality?

BPP is not the same sort of Maoist as most adherents of the infamous Peruvian meme organization.

>>655088

LEADERSHIP SURRENDERING OR SAYING THEY WANT TO TO 3 TIMES IN A ROW
>Gonzalo and the Central Committee surrendering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQkCBvSQVoOscar Ramirez Duran alias Comrade Feliciano, who assumed control after Gonzalo and was the militarist of the organization, admitting surrender and turncoating in 2003
"The people of our country, I, like many other people, made the decision to change that state of affairs to make a new country to make Peru a better one, but it happens that we assume a wrong ideology, the nefarious Gonzalo thought that led us to commit Many mistakes and in the end led us to a dead end. Many lessons have to be learned from these two decades, one of them in my view is that war is better avoided as a philosopher said, war is a monster of killing among men, that many times from being a means becomes an end, and if you can sometimes express heroic acts, the most extreme passions of human beings will also be expressed and war ends up dehumanizing us, it is For all that, what when a chain of hate and revenge is established, because hate generates more hate, revenge more revenge, and in the war that dynamics is produced, the war itself drives that, and when such a chain occurs, after It is difficult to break, I think that is why it is better to avoid wars, I would also like to talk to you about democracy, after many reflections I have also come to the conclusion that democracy, despite all its problems and limitations, is the best system Coexistence between human beings is better than any totalitarianism, because totalitarianism only brings intolerance and restricts the freedom of human beings, we have had in the 20th century, great lessons from totalitarian systems that led to negative situations for humanity, I think That this experience will have to bring out the positive that serves for the future, but in my opinion, democracy is always better than any totalitarian dictatorship, I want to take the occasion to invoke the state and society and all of you to have consideration and understanding with all the political prisoners. A democratic society must express its moral and judicial political superiority by giving the opportunity to rehabilitate and rejoin political prisoners and prisoners in general in society, but what is happening, life imprisonment or the sentences that have been given and what They are going to be given from 30 to 35 years. It is practically a death to all political prisoners, and that cannot be, that is to continue that chain of revenge and hatred that we must banish from our society. I also want to invoke the comrades who are still up in arms, so that they seek to establish a dialogue with the government in order to reach an understanding. I extend the
invocation to the state, to the Peruvian government, to facilitate this dialogue in such a way that a solution can be found to that problem that still afflicts our country. Those people who are still there, are Peruvians like us, who also have a cause, and most of the remaining ones are peasants, therefore for the sake of national reconciliation, it should be seen to solve this problem in a way that is not military, finally , to reiterate once again, my deepest condolences to all the people who were affected by the internal war, and especially to those who had lost beings who were left, I finally thank the commission of truth and reconciliation for this opportunity for allowing me to reach all of you, thank you very much."
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8QDI4tVkY

>Feliciano saying he hates Gonzalo for being a surrendering traitor
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIt6yeyW9DA

>Florindo Eleuterio Flores alias Comrade Artemio saying he's wanted to surrender in the past and was denied
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7hnMy4t3s4

China succeeded, Cuba succeeded, I think there was other countries that succeeded as well, like nepal
>>655082
yup

You convinetly left out Nepal, where the Gonzaloutes actually did overthrow the monarchy, they weren't allowed to establish a DOTP bcause India directky threatned to invade them

>>683892
You can pick a better strawman than that, I mentioned China for example which very effectively utilized protracted people's war against the japanese and the KMT. If you were going to twist what I'm saying you would have to make a different strawman to appear superficially relevant

>>683946
The PRC wouldn't exist without the Red Army handing Manchuria to the CPC

The problem with Maoists is that they sound cultish and bloodthirsty some times, and that they generally seem detached from the urban working class.
Indeed the most "moderate" of the MLM guerrillas, which is the NPA under Sison, has been slightly more successful than the others exactly because it does not sound so fucking deranged as Gonzaloid ones do.

Less Gonzalo and more Mao should be the lesson.

>>683943
They're just more revisionist capitalist running dogs of the bourgeoisie, stop making excuses for abandoning the so called "people's war" (that was itself plagued with bourgeois elements and arguably only really won because of class collaboration with social democrats and other liberal ilk.

>>683965
As long as you don't go Guevarist you're good, man was a hero but the victory of the Cuban revolution ended up being a horrible military lesson. Maybe also read people like Amilcar Cabral and there might be things to incorporate depending on your conditions.

>>683969
Oh man those forces you describe sure definitly are worse and more reactionary than the ABSOLUTIST MONARCHY that preceded it

>>683946
For the moment, however, Fujimori enjoys a sweeping mandate. One poll, by the Lima-based firm Datum, showed that on April 6 – the day after Fujimori suspended the constitution, dissolved the congress, sent tanks into the streets and rounded up political opponents – his popularity jumped 15 points to 79 percent. Another survey by the firm Apoyo gave Fujimori an 81 percent approval rating, while some other polls peg his support at even higher levels.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/05/02/public-pundits-spellbound-by-fujimori/51f74782-9a4b-4c35-b3be-82678ef2c395/
La aprobación de Fujimori se incremento en mas de 20 puntos al mes siguiente dei autogolpe (de 59 % a
82%).(Sem . Econ, 1992, p.3) "Approval ratings of fujimori went up more than 20% the following month after the self-coup"

APPROVAL RATINGS OF FUJIMORI WENT UP MORE THAN 20% THE FOLLOWING MONTH AFTER THE SELF-COUP

Attached file that links to this: https://www.semanaeconomica.com/legal-politica/politica/222542-asi-se-pronuncio-semanaeconomica-sobre-el-5-de-abril-en-1992

<"On April 7, a poll by Apoyo in Lima indicated that 71% approved the dissolution of Congress and 89% approved the restructuring of the Judiciary." https://web.archive.org/web/20150923200631/http://www.caretas.com.pe/2002/1715/articulos/golpe.phtml
<"On April 5, 1992, Mr. Fujimori closed courts and the congress, asserting that he needed greater powers to combat corruption, cocaine trafficking and a surging rebellion by the Maoist Shining Path guerrillas. The moves pushed his local public approval rating to 81 percent. But the outside world recoiled in face of the constitutional break. Scores High in Polls

<One year later, Peru's austere leader seemed relaxed and confident as he fielded questions. Today, polls still give Mr. Fujimori approval ratings of 62 to 67 percent, among the highest for any leader in the Americas."
>https://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/06/world/fujimori-sees-a-peaceful-and-a-prosperous-peru.html
>https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/2017-04/AT_EC240417.pdf Another article quoting that 80% figure

GONZALO WAS SO POPULAR THE NSA SAID THAT CAPITULATION/ENDING OF SENDERO LUMINOSO WOULD ENSURE REELECTION IN 1995 AND THAT IT WOULD GIVE PUBLIC OPINION OF THE GOVERNMENT A BOOST (GOP)
>https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB96/930730%20Reports%20of%20Negotiations%20with%20Guzman.pdf

SHINING PATH WAS NEVER VERY POPULAR
<"At its height in mid-1992, it was believed that Shining Path had between 3,000 and 4,000 armed cadres and 50,000 supporters in various civilian support groups and political cadres…"
>When All The Evils Come Together, Pablo G. Dreyfus. page 378

<50,000/492,507 (Supporters/Ayacucho Department Population in 1993)=0.10 or 10% of the population of Ayacucho Department Population, 50,000/22,693,443 (Supporters/Total Peruvian Census in 1993)=0.002 or 0.2% of the total Peruvian population in that year, remember that this was their peak, 1992/1993
>https://www.inei.gob.pe/estadisticas/indice-tematico/population/ "Población total, censada y omitida, según año censal" "Población censada, según departamento y año censal" Microsoft Excel or https://sheet.zoho.com/sheet/excelviewer
<"Do you approve of the Shining Path' was asked directly. "Only 11% of poor residents in Lima approved, 58% disapproved, and the rest did not answer."
>Charles Kenney, Fujimori's Coup and the Breakdown of Democracy in Latin America.



>COPE
<ROPE
>SEETHE

>>683969
>that was itself plagued with bourgeois elements and arguably only really won because of class collaboration with social democrats and other liberal ilk.
You yourself are making the excuses, except it's not an excuse, it's called strategy and realpolitik, if you think Nepal would win a conventional war with India, go ahead, you travel there and fight it for them

>>683980
stop fucking saying "realpolitik" when you don't even know what it means

>>683980
Ok liberal

>>683982
If it's not insuring your survival what is it? That's what the Nepali government is doing

>>683973
More capitulationist and concessionary liberalism from the revisionists, Mao would have you shot, filth.

>>683989
Realpolitik is used as kind of a buzz term by liberals for "realism" like with neoliberalism. It is generally defined by what it is not, sometimes perjoratively like Enver Hoxha calling Maoist China's "three worlds theory" realpolitik to mean that it was not based in ideological considerations but rather used as a justification for rapport with West, ie a rejection of proletarian and socialist solidarity for the sake of national chauvinism and careerist self interest.

>>683991
Mao isn't here, the so-called revisionists are, your politics are of mostly failure

>>683997
Nonsense. The Peruvian People's Protracted People's War, Indian People's Protracted People's War, Filipino People's Protracted People's War, and the Turkish People's Protracted People's War keep growing each day in the hearts of the revolutionary masses, proletarians, and working men. Revisionist dogs like you will get what's coming to them.

LONG LIVE CHAIRMAN GONZALO
INCARNATE MAOISM
APPLY MAOISM
DOWN WITH REVISIONISM

>>684005
Death cult nonsense