Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 16:25:22 No. 655423
I was thinking about misogyny as a dominant feature of right wing thought, and how it has found ways to manifest in the modern world. Arguing for the loss of womens rights would only hinder the development of fascist political power, so they've taken a trojan horse type approach, inserting misogyny subliminally into their ideas. Primarily through the two far right boogeymen; soy and pornography.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 16:36:31 No. 655433
>Deprived of the enjoyment of pornography, the fascist cultivates a disdain for women
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 16:38:36 No. 655437
>>655433 yes you cant respect women without being a puritan obviously
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 16:44:24 No. 655455
>>655433 Conflating the enjoyment of pornography with sexism, associating pornography with Jewish power, the demonization of women in pornography and the argument there is shame in watching pornograhy and not engaging in elitist 'self betterment' are all common tropes and themes on the far right.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 16:56:14 No. 655474
>>655462 the right's obsession with Cuck fetish is because they know they would be cheated on, they are incapable of creating a natural relationship with their families by blood, much less people outside of it.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 17:00:08 No. 655481
Embracing female extra marital sexuality is a revolt against fascist control. It spits in the eye of the right wing ideal of an 'ubermensch' who is desired by the opposite sex. Bring race into the mix and they're ready to melt down.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 17:04:36 No. 655495
>>655423 This is liberal anti-fascism.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 17:08:34 No. 655501
>>655495 Neoliberalism/liberalism is about as real as cultural marxism. If I was a fascist I'd push this divide at every opportunity, accusing other leftists of being 'liberal' to stoke division.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 18:03:51 No. 655601
>>655501 Go fight the patriarchy by spending your income on premium porn, genius.
Sabinyak 2021-12-21 (Tue) 18:18:28 No. 655621
ahahaha what is that elefant doing?
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 18:25:12 No. 655632
Male chauvenism is very real but "misogyny" is mostly a made-up term used hyperbolically by feminists. Getting sick to death of this language abuse. There are very few real misogynists in the world and just about everyone can recognize them as having some kind of mental illness.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:08:37 No. 656060
>>655455 something being a "common troop on the far right" is meaningless, what matters is tactics, and their tactics of embarrassing discipline put them at an advantage over us right now. The left needs to be disciplined, and you can't be disciplined if you are unable to reject pleasure.
>>655423 >Anti-Pornography allows fascists to incorprate a variety of conspiracy theories under one banner. They propose pornography is addictive and harmful, which betrays a desire to quash sexual liberation. The fascist resents sexual freedom. But especially the sexual freedom of women. One particular white supremacist propagandist, 'raw egg nationalist', argues rejecting pornography is 'masculine' and thus an aspirational pursuit. >Deprived of the enjoyment of pornography, the fascist cultivates a disdain for women and the modern world, instead festering a type of 'honor' oriented fascism with is both exclusive and elitist. Traits common to fascism. This desire for a revival of masculinity rests of a fear of equality between the sexes and a far right anti-sex neurosis. This is dumb. THe right dosn't reject porn fo those reasons. They do so for two real reasons.
A) liberals promote pron, so therefore the far-right is against is because they are compulsive contrarians. Which is the same reason you are pro-porn, because you are also a compulsive contrarian.
B) By abstaining from porn they can put more of their energy into politics, and other activities. This is the same reason why Lenin shot the prostitutes, so the red army doodlers could focus on fighting.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:25:37 No. 656076
Dude I don’t give a fuck of you call me a fascist, swerf or whatever bullshit. I ain’t shilling for pornography.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:27:48 No. 656079
>>656060 >This is the same reason why Lenin shot the prostitutes Lmao this guy believing anti-communist propaganda and saying it was good actually.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:34:10 No. 656088
>>655474 The right has an obsession with the cuck fetish because they’re cucks themselves. They’re fucked over by capitalists and they love it.
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:35:14 No. 656089
>>656084 >muh cuuuucks Why does how other people live their lives bother you so much, /pol/ack?
Personally I could not care less about how other people live there lives in the sense of romatic and sexual relationships and I do not see that any authentic leftist would either.
Is this a lady doth protest to much situation?
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:39:32 No. 656097
>>656079 lenin did shoot prostitutes, this is a historical fact
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:45:39 No. 656103
>>655481 My gf and I do cuckholding except I am the one sleeping with other women and she exclusively has sex with me. What does that say about us?
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:46:27 No. 656105
>>656097 that's not a good thing
Anonymous 2021-12-21 (Tue) 23:57:24 No. 656117
>>656089 I'm laughing at CNN publishing article about scientific studies on the benefits of cuckolding. If you can't see the humor in it you must not have one.
>>656103 >My gf and I do cuckholding except I am the one sleeping with other women and she exclusively has sex with me. What does that say about us? Excuse me sweetie, that's a cuckquean. Don't misgender.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 00:01:56 No. 656126
>>656097 It decidedly is not
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 00:06:20 No. 656130
>>656105 Why? Even if it was true, it's nothing that any general during wartime would not have done.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 00:13:02 No. 656139
>>656117 Ah, these are the famous attempts at conservative comedy I have heard about, yes?
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 00:13:38 No. 656140
>>656133 Lenin was refering to the white army; as in they were the prostitutes of captalists doing their dirty deeds for them.
So no, Lenin didn't kill prostitutes.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 00:41:08 No. 656184
>>656140 There’s also no record of any prostitutes being shot in that area around that time and lenin demonstrated remarkable sympathy for prostitutes in the past.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/jul/26.htm Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 01:23:42 No. 656233
>>656229 If you’re saying that wacky sex stuff and political alignments are intrinsically linked then I’m sorry but your idpol brain worms are terminal.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 01:35:24 No. 656245
>Leftypol coming out in defense of being a fucking cuck <Why yes, I am a proud cuck and you’re only laughing because you aren’t a real man
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 01:44:12 No. 656254
>>656190 >tfw sadism and vore mmmm
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 01:45:10 No. 656256
>>656239 So this is what we’ve been reduced to. The far right will comfortably take power, and few if any will lift a finger to oppose them. There’s a lot of friends I’ll miss, and there never truly was any “good old days”. Did the left ever truly have a chance? When we can’t disentangle ourselves from IDpol, when our theory has been reduced to pinning fetishes on a political alignment chart, and when even SocDem level reforms and trinkets are impossible to come by, I don’t think so.
I would say that we're finished but in all honesty, we never even started. Our opponents have won and claimed their medals while we didn’t even get out of bed. I only want to live long enough to watch the world burn. There is hope, but not for those who want to see Marx vindicated.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 01:53:20 No. 656263
>>656256 Be better at falseflagging
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:01:25 No. 656272
>>656262 That’s been at least 70% of the replies in this thread and I gotta say it’s feeling pretty Reddit in here right now
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:03:29 No. 656275
>>656272 Point where in this thread any anon besides one defended being a cuck? The one anon who said they did it as a couple, said it was his wife that was the cuck.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:05:54 No. 656280
>>656272 Someone let the mentally ill fetish lovers in and neglected to shoo them out. Now they’re just proving what useless theorylets they are.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:07:52 No. 656285
>>656256 >when our theory has been reduced to pinning fetishes on a political alignment chart That chart had nothing to do with theory, it's just something which was relevant to the thread.
>I would say that we're finished but in all honesty, we never even started. Our opponents have won and claimed their medals while we didn’t even get out of bed. I only want to live long enough to watch the world burn. There is hope, but not for those who want to see Marx vindicated. Ah ok, so you're just false flagging. That, or you never were on the far-right, and so don't know how bad things really are internally. No "medals" ah e been won, the far-right can't even decide when something is a "victory" or a "loss", and will purity spiral on their own just as fast as they come up.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:09:12 No. 656286
>>656280 What the actual fuck does cuckolding have to do with “theory” in the mind palace you inhabit?
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:10:22 No. 656287
>>656285 I fucking wish I was false flagging. Look at the world, and I’ll lost a litany of rightist victories, and not one for us. I’ve just had it up to here with the nonstop downward spiral this world is on
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:14:49 No. 656289
>>656286 When you pin it on an axis an pretend to be making a serious point
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:15:59 No. 656290
>>655423 >They propose pornography is addictive and harmful, which betrays a desire to quash sexual liberation. And this position is also supposed to be related to misogyny? There were radical feminists who were opposed to the sex industry and pornography. You can't conflate feminism with "sexual liberation" and certainly not with sex industry or pornography advocacy.
>I watch a lot of porn, and when I think of these fascists festering in online communities, peddling traditionalism and 'self improvement' it unnerves me how many young men they will alienate from the modern world. We are all aware of the terroristic potential of far right movements, but this anti pornography aspect of fascism reveals something more cult like and insidiously far reaching. Ask yourself: do you want people to be fully integrated into "the modern world" as it actually is? What sort of revolutionary movement has ever based itself in such ideological conformism? Really, not questioning this assumption reveals this "leftism" for what it is: a defense of this world and your own consumption habits. That, or it's a /pol/ false flag.
And don't mistake this position for being "anti-pornography" in and of itself, but opposition to pornography in favor of self-improvement at least points toward alternatives to resignation to the present circumstances and apathy, even if it's pointing in the wrong way. These alternatives often amount only to "alternative consumption lifestyles" as well, paralleling "lifestylism" on the left, but a radical political movement does need to indicate some alternative "form of life" possible that is against the grain of "the modern world." The underlying idea here isn't wrong.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:16:29 No. 656292
>>656287 >I fucking wish I was false flagging. Look at the world, and I’ll lost a litany of rightist victories, and not one for us. I’ve just had it up to here with the nonstop downward spiral this world is on Where? Generic neolibs? Sure, that's nothing new. The far right? You'd have to be either idiotic or out of touch to believe this.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:27:46 No. 656300
>>655423 >I was thinking about misogyny as a dominant feature of right wing thought, and how it has found ways to manifest in the modern world. Arguing for the loss of womens rights would only hinder the development of fascist political power, so they've taken a trojan horse type approach, inserting misogyny subliminally into their ideas. Primarily through the two far right boogeymen; soy and pornography. I watch a lot of porn, and when I think of these fascists festering in online communities, peddling traditionalism and 'self improvement' it unnerves me how many young men they will alienate from the modern world. We are all aware of the terroristic potential of far right movements, but this anti pornography aspect of fascism reveals something more cult like and insidiously far reaching.Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:30:23 No. 656302
>>656262 >This opinion is reflective of leftypol as a whole This is that guys MO, anon. he finds a thing he disagrees with and has a spergy fit about how leftypol believes and or does the thing he does not like. Give it an hour and he'l probably make a thread to complain about it either here or in /siberia/.
I'm not sure why he does this but it's a thing.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:37:21 No. 656310
>>656305
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:39:22 No. 656311
>>656305
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 02:44:07 No. 656316
>>656312 Someone making a retarded OP on leftypol shouldn't make you confused about this anon unless your positions are not strong in the first place. If that is the case then I suggest you hold off on holding opinions until you have independently investigated as the random nutcases and Americans who make leftypol OPs are not a good source of knowledge the vast majority of the time.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 03:03:41 No. 656326
>>656310 >porn is a waste of time, but honestly it has nothing to do with ideology of philosophy To evaluate it is as a waste of time is to make a value judgment, implying that it does have something to do with ideology and philosophy.
302 !!UagmFKNCMA 2021-12-22 (Wed) 03:12:16 No. 656331
>>655423 >Anti-Pornography allows fascists to incorprate a variety of conspiracy theories under one banner. They propose pornography is addictive and harmful, which betrays a desire to quash sexual liberation. The fascist resents sexual freedom. But especially the sexual freedom of women. It's also tied to religion. Fascists (which are religious) will claim that porn is a deviation of the God-ordained nature itself, and so is queerism.
>when I think of these fascists festering in online communities, peddling traditionalism and 'self improvement' it unnerves me how many young men they will alienate from the modern world. Alienated from the modern world? You must be wrong. They are so welcomed in religious countries, like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and especially Indonesia.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 03:19:50 No. 656340
>>656337 I accidentally clicked on it
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 04:06:43 No. 656370
>>656352 >lmao wtf? High art anon.
HIGH art.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 04:18:37 No. 656383
>>656370 so what kind of money laundering is this or are stimulant psychosis adled crypto hogs really this visionary?
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 12:07:45 No. 656550
>>655423 Stop being a coomer.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 14:38:46 No. 656659
>>656387 >are less misogynistic than the average American man I don't think you're comprehending how low of a bar that is
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 14:50:29 No. 656673
>>656073 >>655672 Sorry anon but Handmaid's Tale is a work of fiction.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 14:58:11 No. 656679
I enjoy porn
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 15:00:47 No. 656682
>>656561 If you analyze the connection between Marxist commodification theory and Marxist feminist sexual objectification theory it will become more clear I think. It personally helped for my own understanding on porn.
In addition, most sexual fetishism is rooted in sexual objectification, with the more "far-out" stuff like BDSM preserving and popularizing reactionary themes such as master/slave, sado/maso, torture and infantilization, as well as just regular commodity fetishism (boots, latex).
Meanwhile commercial porn is representative of capitalist hegemony, often with base in Hollywood. Shadier sex trafficking / abuse / black market porn is simultaneously sustained and propped up by the mainstream tube porn sites.
Porn, which is just recorded pimping, preys on the most vulnerable in society. Rights are routinely transgressed, there's very little representation, these companies almost never get in trouble, whatever they do. Meanwhile this content is distributed worldwide targeting demographics as young as 12 or below, or, whatever kids access gaming platforms without adblockers, which then normalizes sexual themes of nuclear family incest, sexual promiscuity, capitalists/landlords coercing employees/tenants for sex, cops raping inmates, teachers raping students, reactionary BDSM, commodity fetishism, - and showcasing this in a positive light, from the first moments of puberty.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 15:22:35 No. 656701
>>656685 Commodity fetishism is the social relationship between things and is the basis for world capitalist ideology/hegemony. Nothing I said contradicted this fact.
<as well as just regular commodity fetishism (boots, latex). I may have clarified this by calling it
vulgar commodity fetishism instead.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 15:57:14 No. 656738
>>656682 Does this mean that 2d or Drawn porn is slightly better when looking at it from a exploitation angle?
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 17:08:57 No. 656803
>>656738 No, you should use the libido you get from not masturbating to porn and redirecting it into your social life. Go to dance clubs, go out to spaces where you can interact with potential partners.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 17:46:02 No. 656833
>>656803 >Increased libido from stopping masturbation. Are you sure about that? Because I looked at some studies that masturbation actually helps keep libido at a normal level.
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 15:32:37 No. 657819
>>656833 Were you source-critical of the study? A lot of the times these "studies" are funded by clearly biased corporations.
Seems like a stretch to claim that your sex drive and sex life is unaffected when redirecting attention from the 'convenience' of socially alienating porn consumption to actually engaging in communities with a lot of women that are enjoying leisurely activities that you could share with them.
Also, to be clear, I said
<No, you should use the libido you get from not masturbating to porn A good detox could be to start masturbating to your own sexual fantasies in the meanwhile, or at most erotic audio / softcore.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 11:03:08 No. 685007
>>655423 >Anti-Pornography allows fascists to incorprate a variety of conspiracy theories under one banner. They propose pornography is addictive and harmful, which betrays a desire to quash sexual liberation. The fascist resents sexual freedom. But especially the sexual freedom of women. One particular white supremacist propagandist, 'raw egg nationalist', argues rejecting pornography is 'masculine' and thus an aspirational pursuit. Idiot.
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