Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:35:52 No. 656768
Redditoid /r/atheism users will seethe about this thread very soon. The big pill they can't swallow is that religion and Marxism are perfectly compatible. In fact, the suppression of religion was a big mistake in the 20th century socialist countries once they managed to root out the feudal church ownership dynamics early on.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:42:56 No. 656776
>>656768 You get it bro. Respect.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:43:36 No. 656778
>My Christian beliefs have only served to reinforce my commitment to Marxist-Leninism
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:43:54 No. 656780
>>656767 >pretending to believe in retarded shit to 'own the fedoras' Grow up
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:44:15 No. 656781
YHWH is a fragile narcissist genocidal pedophile and his religion is for fragile narcissist genocidal pedophiles.
>>656768 >the suppression of religion was a big mistake in the 20th century socialist countries once they managed to root out the feudal church ownership dynamics early on. Largely exaggerated by christoids with their persecution complex.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:45:04 No. 656782
Do you know the current Pope is reviled in Italy for being too much of a leftist? Kind of funny if you ask me.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:46:37 No. 656785
>christian communism
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:53:24 No. 656791
>>656785 Wait until you find out who the first socialists were
>>656787 Don't tell me you took the opium for the people quote at face value
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:55:02 No. 656792
>>656787 What did Marx say about the diggers?
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 16:56:28 No. 656793
>>656791 the first computers were mechanical, but we've advanced past that now. same principle here.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 17:02:08 No. 656798
>>656768 fpbp
Not religious in the slightest but I like studying the Bible and theology as a hobby, and I've found it amazingly easy to get through to religious people and communicate leftist ideas to them by just using their own beliefs. Redpilling them on based proto-commie Jesus Christ always went well, I don't know how you can interpret the Gospels as anything else but whatever. If there is ever to be a new worldwide communist movement I feel like co-opting religion would be the best way to keep the rightoids from doing it, the same way socialist movements in LatAm have managed to do it for example. Imagine God-Building 2.0
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 17:35:55 No. 656822
Is this the UrbanMaoism
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 18:21:11 No. 656861
>>656822 What a reach when you have Christian revisionists like Maupin getting spammed in this community.
Yeah bro, Maoists, famous razing religious institutions, made this thread. Peak intellect you have.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 18:26:10 No. 656865
>>656840 Same experience here. It was absolutely surreal growing up in an extremely religious environment, being taught the teachings of Jesus and to love your fellow man, to care for the sickly and the poor, etc. and then when you're grown up you're meant to disregard all of that completely. I have since renounced any kind of religious beliefs, but I admit they've played a huge part in me becoming what I am today. My childhood dream career was literally to become a priest lmao
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 18:29:36 No. 656874
>>656768 You and all abrahamic fucks ought to cope harder, katwa.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 18:47:13 No. 656895
>>656776 >>656791 Just realized this is The Nazbol flag now. I thought it was something like gay fascism one just gay communism.
>>656781 >YHWH is a fragile narcissist genocidal pedophile and his religion is for fragile narcissist genocidal pedophiles. Yahweh is an Ayylmao and not one of the good ones.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 19:17:40 No. 656926
>>656918 No thanks I don't eat babies
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 19:26:14 No. 656938
>>656935 >brown
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 19:26:56 No. 656939
>>656935
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 23:24:03 No. 657108
>>656767 early socialism grew out of radical Anabaptist and Quaker movements, it is intellectual dishonesty to not mention socialism's roots in Christianity and Christian ethics
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 23:38:32 No. 657121
>My Christian beliefs have only served to reinforce my commitment to Marxist-Leninism. Does anyone else have similar epiphanies?
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 23:40:42 No. 657122
>christcuck spam is back
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 23:53:20 No. 657149
>>656798 Essentially this. My mother is pretty conservative, but when I explained that some communists just want to live like Jesus did, she became a little more accepting of the general ideas of Marxism.
Anonymous 2021-12-22 (Wed) 23:55:39 No. 657157
>>656798 >>657149 congrats, you turned a bunch of christcucks into radlibs
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 00:06:22 No. 657175
>>657163 anglos are christian though?? what the fuck kind of insult is that
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 01:54:07 No. 657282
I don't.think the problem is wether religion can be a used to encourage progress but if it's fundamentally compatible with dialectical materialism because thats what we're talking about in the final analysis not wether it was or used as a force for progress in the past or currently in a 'backwards' country.
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 07:05:40 No. 657539
>And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 08:11:56 No. 657559
>>657502
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 08:20:31 No. 657567
>>657502
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 10:27:56 No. 657617
>>656822 No but I do really like him.
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 10:33:00 No. 657623
>>656767 >My Christian beliefs have only served to reinforce my commitment to Marxist-Leninism You will abandon communism the second it interferes with your religion
Never trust a religoid who thinks they are a communist
Either you don't understand communism or you're just a person who uses religion as hopium but refuses to accept the truth
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 10:36:05 No. 657628
>>656768 >>656776 >>656798 posers and coping revisionists
including all the others
very telling that even communists of today have let fucking redditors to be synomn with atheism as if it belongs to them and not first and foremost
atheism= reddit is a CIA psyop
>>657162 Absolutely based Hoxha poster, Stay vigilant
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 10:39:17 No. 657633
>>656767 Marxism and christianity are like oil and water
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 11:10:17 No. 657666
>>657664 A cold black void awaits you after death. I hope it hurts.
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 11:28:03 No. 657678
>>657672 Actually I feel better about myself that I'm not a sad sack like you. Thank you
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 11:30:52 No. 657679
>>657678 What are you, a fucking care bear?
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 11:41:37 No. 657687
>>657682 Stirnerfags have been using the same fucking memes since 2014
Anonymous 2021-12-23 (Thu) 11:43:52 No. 657690
>>657687 if novelty is so great, then why has your cult been repeating the same bullshit since the 19th century
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 17:38:36 No. 660264
>>656781 >Largely exaggerated by christoids with their persecution complex. Christians and Muslims both had their places torched.
Thinking this didn't impact Western Capitalist ability to manufacture causus beli and jingoism with their majority Christian demographics as well as contribute to Soviet struggles in Afghanistan is cope.
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 17:43:10 No. 660271
>>660264 what? that's all you can come up with? a bunch of already anti-communist westerners became even more anti-communist?
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 17:54:28 No. 660287
>>660271 Protestant Prosperity Theology was codified in reaction to this.
Presenting American Christians as lassiez-faire Rothbard bros even before 20th century is revisionist.
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 18:01:57 No. 660299
>>660287 >Protestant Prosperity Theology was codified in reaction to this. Except it predates The Soviet Union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology#Late_19th_and_early_20th-century_background It's really rooted in Christian Science and all that movement.
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 18:17:09 No. 660318
>>660299 And if you read the rest of the page you see it resurge and become mainstream during the same period McCarthy was having his moment, it was a mechanism of inoculation US pushed to defang Protestant socialists, meanwhile Catholic socialist bishops in Latin America they just had killed. (Oscar Romero)
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 18:35:03 No. 660342
>>660318 Prosperity gospel exists as a cope for poor people or the otherwise financially motivated. It has existed in all times and places that religion has existed.
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 23:11:33 No. 660716
why does Jesus Christ make you seethe?
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 23:17:47 No. 660728
>>660716 are you talking to yourself
Anonymous 2021-12-25 (Sat) 23:49:50 No. 660759
If reason and spirituality are both divine attributes of the human species, and both of these direct you towards communism, then God is effectively telling you to pursue communism.
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 00:07:56 No. 660776
I love how many Christian Communists are on this board. Comfy
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 00:57:06 No. 660828
>>660792 It seems to be growing. People realize the spiritual desert we are in but also see the dangers of capitalism.
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 01:24:10 No. 660858
>>660776 >>660828 Anon from here
>>656778 , you'll eventually grow out of it and make a choice.
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 02:30:16 No. 660912
>>660858 Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 03:28:53 No. 660968
>>660912 >Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's What does this have to do with what I stated? Materialism is not compatible with Christianity period. If you have any respect for the faith, you won't parrot it's husk as merely something to comfort you, despite you knowing its faults.
Anonymous 2021-12-26 (Sun) 06:49:15 No. 661142
>>660403 out of context. He advocated ending Sharia through education rather than simply banning it
sage sage 2021-12-26 (Sun) 23:13:42 No. 662152
>>660968 cool good thing I'm not dogmatic and don't treat Marxism as a religion and thus can take away the valuable technical analysis (falling rate of profit, labour theory of value, imperialism, etc.) without forcing myself to subscribe to the edgelord fedora tipping "philosophy".
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 06:57:42 No. 662545
>>662152 what is dialect of thinking called? it's really smart and more people here should use it more.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 08:40:32 No. 662630
>>662152 >don't treat Marxism as a religion I'm not treating it as a religion, I'm just maintaining consistency in regards to the theory itself. Materialism is part and parcel to Marxism as a whole, and that's evident in both it's analysis and it's conclusions.
>without forcing myself to subscribe to the edgelord fedora tipping "philosophy". Used to think this when I was a Catholic, but it's nonsense. It's not rejecting materialism for actual legitimate reasons, it's rejecting it because you find it to be something only held by fedora tipping edgelords. And that's retarded, because the only question that should matter is if it is true or not and if there is any basis to it. Philosophy isn't a practice in adopting the opposing philosophy of those you personally dislike for no other reason then you not liking them, and it neither should be a practice in rejecting something because the concequences or conclusions of it's premises are uncomfortable. That's the methodology of children.
Anonymous 2021-12-27 (Mon) 09:01:56 No. 662647
>>656767 Soviets were too kind towards religiousity. In my home town the ancient medieval church was turned into a movie theater. They should have blown it into pieces and gulag every single religious non-persons.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 08:32:12 No. 673243
>>662152 Marxism is a religion, for Marxism is but a sect of millenarian Protestantism.
Hegel was a Methodist.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 14:31:39 No. 673449
>>656787 and communists and socialists have gone after Marx for getting things wrong as well.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 14:34:49 No. 673454
>>673243 >When Marx and Engels maintained in The Communist Manifesto that human history has been the record of class struggle and then proffer the socialist society as one without classes, it is implied that history will then come to an end. Socialist society—a social order which displays no classes, no class struggle, and therefore no history—reflects a kind of apocalyptic messianism. Marxism thusly contained remnants of the thing to which Kant, Hegel, and Feuerbach were responding successively in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries: the attempt to construct human experience and consciousness without a God, without a Divine Order, without a Divine plan or promise. Robinson, C. (2019) An Anthropology of Marxism. 2nd Edition. The University of North Carolina Press.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 14:38:12 No. 673455
Religion is always neutral. Can be used for litetally anything
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 14:42:51 No. 673457
>>673243 No sweetie he was a Lutheran.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 14:48:05 No. 673461
>>673454 The dialectic takes the place of god.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 14:51:54 No. 673466
Here's an interesting podcast on how SJW Marxism parallels with Christianity.
Both are critiqued.
https://youtu.be/s7Aumd1TpZE Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 14:52:13 No. 673468
>>673461 That one works with esoteric Stalinism but there's a further deeper level
Communism is the riddle of history solved, and knows itself to be the solution Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 15:13:45 No. 673491
Genuinely bizarre that people on here are seeting at a fusion of Marxism and a faith followed by 2 billion people. Edge Lord atheism is a self eating ideal
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 15:25:05 No. 673501
>>673491 You may cooperate with us, but you cannot properly become a proper communist unless you are willing to accept one small theological point
Except in times of war, in which case you get the point easily and implicitly
God himself died on a cross crying in agony ''Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani"
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 17:16:41 No. 673617
>>673607 Hey Stirner buddy
Before I give you a hapenny to fuck of
Is a wage laborer free?
Sabinyak 2022-01-04 (Tue) 19:14:00 No. 673767
>>673617 they're free to steal from the store until they find out and you can then make disappear the money from the cash register and then deny you did it.
Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 19:32:40 No. 673788
>>662723 >It is self-evident that Kriege’s amorous slobberings and his antithesis to selfishness are no more than the inflated utterances of a mind that has become utterly and completely absorbed in religion. We shall see how Kriege, who in Europe always claimed to be an atheist, here seeks to foist off all the infamies of Christianity under the signboard of communism and ends, perfectly consistently, with man’s self-desecration . [..]
>9) “Do we not have the right to take the long pent-up desires of the religious heart seriously and march into battle in the name of the poor, the unhappy, and the rejected, for the final realisation of the sublime realm of brotherly love?” Kriege marches into battle, then, in order to take seriously the desires not of the real and the secular, but of the religious heart, not those of the heart made bitter by real need but those of the heart inflated by a fantasy of bliss. He forthwith offers proof of his “religious heart” by marching into battle as a priest, in the name of others, that is, in the name of the “poor”, and in such a manner as to make it absolutely plain that he does not need communism for himself, he would have it that he is marching into battle in a spirit of pure, generous, dedicated, effusive self-sacrifice for the “poor, the unhappy and the rejected” who are in need of it — a feeling of elation which swells the heart of this worthy man in times of isolation and dejection, and outweighs all the troubles of this evil world. >10) Kriege concludes his pompous prating: “Any man who does not support such a party can with justice be treated as an enemy of mankind.” This intolerant sentence appears to be in contradiction to “surrender to all”, and the “religion of love” towards all. It is however a perfectly consistent conclusion of this new religion, which like every other mortally detests and persecutes all its enemies. The enemy of the party is quite consistently turned into a heretic, by transforming him from an enemy of the actually existing party who is combated , into a sinner against humanity — which only exists in the imagination — who must be punished . Anonymous 2022-01-04 (Tue) 19:39:03 No. 673797
>>673788 >11) In the letter to Harro Harring we read: “Our aim is to make all the poor of the world rebel against Mammon, under whose scourge they are condemned to work themselves to death, and when we have toppled the fearsome tyrant from his ancient throne, our aim will be to unite mankind by love, our aim will be to teach men to work communally and enjoy communally until the long-promised kingdom of joy finally comes about.” In order to work up a fury against the present-day sovereignty of money, he first has to transform it into the idol Mammon. This idol is toppled — how, we do not discover; the revolutionary movement of the proletariat of all countries shrinks to no more than a rebellion — and when this toppling is complete, then the prophets — “we” — appear to “teach” the proletariat what is to be done next. These prophets “teach” their disciples, who here appear in remarkable ignorance of their own interests, how they are “to work and enjoy communally”, not, indeed, for the sake of “working and enjoying communally” but rather just so that the scriptures shall be fulfilled and a number of visionaries shall not have prophesied in vain 1,800 years ago. — This prophetical manner is found elsewhere as well, for example: [..]
questions can only consist in a few images of extravagant religiosity which befog all sense, in a few high-sounding catchwords, such as “mankind”, “humanity”, “species”, etc., and in turning every real action into a fantastic phrase . This is particularly evident in the essay “Was ist das Proletariat?” (No. 8). The answer given to this title — question is: “The proletariat is mankind ”, — a deliberate lie, according to which the Communists are aiming at the abolition of mankind. This answer, “mankind”, is supposed to be the same as the one Sieyès gave to the question: What is the tiers-état?[The reference is to the following passage from Emmanuel Sieyès’ Quest-ceque le tiers-état? published in Paris in 1789 on the eve of the French Revolution: “1. What is the third estate? Everything . 2. What was it until now in the political respect? Nothing . 3. What is it striving for? To be something ] Proof enough of how Kriege befuddles historical facts. He then forthwith provides more proof of this in his bigoted presentation of the American Anti-Rent movement: “And how would it be in the end if this proletariat, in its capacity as mankind” (a necessary character-mask for its appearance on the scene — a moment ago the proletariat was mankind, now mankind is only a capacity of the proletariat), “laid claim to the whole earth as its undisputed property for all eternity?” One observes how even an extremely simple, practical movement is transformed into empty phrases like “mankind”, “undisputed property”, “all eternity”, etc., and for that reason rests content with a mere “claim”. — Apart from the usual catchwords such as “outcast”, etc., which is joined by the religious “accursed”, all Kriege’s statements about the proletariat amount to no more than the following mythological-biblical images:<<“Prometheus bound”, <<"the Lamb of God which bears the sins of the world”, <<"the Wandering Jew”, >and finally he brings up the following remarkable question: “Is mankind to wander for ever, then, a homeless vagabond, about the earth?” Meanwhile it is precisely the exclusive settlement of a part of “mankind” on the land which is his particular bugbear! >13) The real point about Kriege’s religion is revealed in the following passage: “We have other things to do than worry about our miserable selves , we belong to mankind.” With this shameful and nauseating grovelling before a “mankind” that is separate and distinct from the “self “ and which is therefore a metaphysical and in his case even a religious fiction, with what is indeed the most utterly “miserable” slavish self-abasement, this religion ends up like any other. Such a doctrine, preaching the voluptuous pleasure of cringing and self-contempt, is entirely suited to valiant — monks, but never to men of action, least of all in a time of struggle. It only remains for these valiant monks to castrate their “miserable selves” and thereby provide sufficient proof of their confidence in the ability of “mankind” to reproduce itself! — If Kriege has nothing better to offer than these sentimentalities in pitiful style, it would indeed be wiser for him to translate his “Père Lamennais” again and again in each issue of the Volks-Tribun . —Karl Marx, 1846
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:32:24 No. 674323
>>674264 churches were fucking decimated by the USSR, stalin used the orthodox church like a cheap whore for PR for a tiny moment and to this day it's still a half-dead appendage of the state
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:09:16 No. 674411
>>673478 Do you only watch ghey YouTube channels and talk like a fag?
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:56:31 No. 674468
>>673466 >>674411 Stop shilling your retarded YouTube channel you pseud, this is like the 20th time you've tried to get people to watch your absurb "will to power" larp shit while pretending you're just somebody else.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 05:08:07 No. 674482
>>674468 Aight, watch some retard like Maupin who's never had an original thought in his life.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 05:20:43 No. 674488
>>674482 >Aight, watch some retard like Maupin who's never had an original thought in his life. Maupin might be up his own ass at times, but literally none of your shit is original. It doesn't even make an attempt to be accurate in regards to what it "critiques" either, your video on Marxism and Christianity has you starting off by boasting how you apparently "used to be on the left, the very, very, far left", only to completely fail in explaining basic fucking Marxist concepts like primitive communism and conflating "hierarchy" with class.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 06:46:52 No. 674580
>>674488 Cope, baizou
Same shit different day. Fetishizing equality, and the using some abstract nonsense about 'muh just class division' to worm you're way out of it.
There's a reason why every single Marxist revolution which survived into maturity ended culturally far to the right of today's First World marxoids AND eventually settled on a mixed economy with state intervention.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 08:58:32 No. 674666
Why Christianity and Communism are not compatible:>Chistianity is pacifist, Communism is revolutionary. The former opposes any violence even against the oppressors, the latter fully supports it. >Christianity does not oppose class hierarchies. There are some verses memed here against the rich. But Christian thought relies on their good will to give up wealth rather than struggle of the lower classes <Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him. Marl 12:17> >Christianity has had a long history of supporting reactionary values. Despite Jesus saying that should not be differences between ethnicities and genders, even the apostles themeselves pretty much ignored that part. <Ephesians 5:22-24 …wives should submit to their husbands etc. <Noah and Ham (Genesis 9:20–27), Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1–11), Levitical laws condemning same-sex relationships (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), two words in two Second Testament vice lists (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and Paul's letter to the Romans (Romans 1:26–27). The author believes that these do not refer to homosexual relationships between two free, adult, and loving individuals. They describe rape or attempted rape (Genesis 9:20–27, 19:1–11), cultic prostitution (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), male prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and the Isis cult in Rome (Romans 1:26–27)> >Christianity is based on material insitutions such as the Catholic Church, who is responsible of supporting reactionaries, campaigning against progressive developments such as the Divorce Referendum in Italy in 1974. Also the Church owns the biggest gold reserve in the world and takes part in shady financial operations (google Roberto Calvi for more). Many memebers of the Catholic Church even supported Italian fascism (though not everyone, and some many priests actually protected Jews). >Since Christianity is based on institutions, the religious leaders would have an easy time telling people to revolt against the "socialist devils" because God tells so. Religious people would listen to them more willingly then socialist, and a rebellion would break out. Catholics had an history of counter-revolutions and even supported feudalism over capitalism (see War in the Vendée).
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 12:57:57 No. 674801
>>674580 >Cope, baizou Not even considered white.
>Same shit different day. Fetishizing equality, and the using some abstract nonsense about 'muh just class division' to worm you're way out of it. Never fetishized equality, and neither did Marx. Class isn't some "abstract nonsense" you pseud.
>There's a reason why every single Marxist revolution which survived into maturity ended culturally far to the right of today's First World marxoids I can think of no communists country which could be considered "far right" in the slightest, and the whole "culturally far right" nonsense is cope for desperate rightoids trying to look for literally anything to latch onto. Culture itself cannot be far right in a communist country as well, for the simple reason that the very relations of production have begun their shift and development towards lower phase communism, and thus the culture of before is forced to inevitably shift with it.
>AND eventually settled on a mixed economy with state intervention. Was the USSR a "mixed economy" to you? Most communist states with a "mixed economy" today do so out of an unfortunate necessity caused by the strangling of communism globally.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 14:00:11 No. 674901
>>674801 >I can think of no communists country which could be considered "far right" in the slightest, and the whole "culturally far right" nonsense is cope for desperate rightoids trying to look for literally anything to latch onto. Culture itself cannot be far right in a communist country as well, for the simple reason that the very relations of production have begun their shift and development towards lower phase communism, and thus the culture of before is forced to inevitably shift with it. You could be right, i mean correct. Neither bourgeois left, nor bourgeois right culture can really be transplanted into a different economic system. Culture grows out of the mode of production. Once you switch on a new mode of production, new culture will grow out of that. Our problem is that we treat culture as something transcendental. We should change our minds about that, because i think that's wrong. We should figure out the relations between production and culture. By painstakingly combing through all the bits that make a mode of production go, and then find out what is generating each and every one of these cultural norms.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 18:19:08 No. 675374
>>674801 Cope harder, Baizou.
In a place like China, unless you're especially dark, you'd be considered just another representation of the most spoiled western generation in history.
You're whole ideology is premised on the notion that equality is good. In that sense, youre about as radical and original as Rousseau, the US Constitution, Christian 'equal before god' talk, and basically everything else you've taught since you were a child. Class is a proxy you use for that for that.
You are fucking retarded. Every single one has higher marriage rates, younger average age of marriage, lower divorce rates, more likely to live in multigenerational residences, have strong national cultures referencing both recent and mythological characters, have stronger immigration and naturalization processes that the US, has a prevalent light skin preference, doesn't think transwomen are "real women"(c), etc. Every single one and virtually all of these points.
Culture goes a big deeper than the type of music you like
Lol. You picked the one country that outright collapsed overnight as your big counter example? L
The world is a competitive and sometimes hostile place which forces individuals and groups to adapt their behavior or suffer??? I hadn't considered that…
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 18:29:09 No. 675388
>>675374 Lot of anger emulating Haz in this post.
Have sex
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:45:56 No. 677023
>>675374 >Cope harder, Baizou. Seeth lol
>In a place like China, unless you're especially dark, you'd be considered just another representation of the most spoiled western generation in history. Fag, I'm literally brown and half from south asia.
>You're whole ideology is premised on the notion that equality is good. Fucking where? Actually read Marx.
>In that sense, youre about as radical and original as Rousseau, the US Constitution, Christian 'equal before god' talk, and basically everything else you've taught since you were a child. Class is a proxy you use for that for that. Marx and Engels literally reject "equality" as a political goal.
>You are fucking retarded. Every single one has higher marriage rates, younger average age of marriage, lower divorce rates, more likely to live in multigenerational residences, None of this is far-right.
>have strong national cultures referencing both recent and mythological characters, Neither is this, and no communist country references "mythological" characters.
>have stronger immigration and naturalization processes that the US, For security and accounting reasons. In a world in which capitalism was suppressed and superceded globally, mass immigration and the issues with immigration itself would not be an issue.
>has a prevalent light skin preference, That's just a lie.
>doesn't think transwomen are "real women"(c), etc. I'm not even going to get into some retarded debate about transgenders, but this isn't even true for the GDR, Cuba, or even China in regards to permitting them.
>Every single one and virtually all of these points. None of which are far-right.
>Culture goes a big deeper than the type of music you like Yes, and that's why you're incorrect on them being far-right.
>Lol. You picked the one country that outright collapsed overnight as your big counter example? L Of which the consequences of such was dire. The USSR didn't collapse due to too much planning, it collapsed due to an increased implementation of market reforms. It did it's absolute best when it continually progressed with it's central planning.
>The world is a competitive and sometimes hostile place which forces individuals and groups to adapt their behavior or suffer??? I hadn't considered that… Yes, and that only means that communists were not aggressive enough in the past and that the initial trajectory of the USSR was correct. Now communists exist hanging on to a thread while capitalism dominates and suffocates the world. They didn't adapt their behavior because it's "better", but because global capitalism forces it.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:50:00 No. 677036
>>673788 >>673797 this thread at this point is just people purposefully ignoring these excerpts while coping
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:02:39 No. 677179
>>677023 >hanging by a thread Idk anon. Chinese and Vietnamese communists seem to be doing alright
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:23:43 No. 677222
>>677023 I was thinking of leaving this alone, but it's so fun dunking on leftists:
That explains your faggy pretensions. You're not 'half from south asia.' One of your parents is from South Asia. You're their lame spoiled child raised in the west.
Lol, the whole thing is crying about inequality and divisions between classes, mixed in with a bunch of predictions that never came true and prescriptions which didn't pan out.
Lol. Why try to unite the working class against the bourgeoisie if not for a primary value rested in equality.
None of this is far-right.
Neither is this, and no communist country references "mythological" characters.
Obviously never been to China, Vietnam, or Laos.
Lol, nice cope
More evidence that you're a clue baizou, pic related
Lol, 'permit'
So who forced the capitalists to be capitalist in the first place then, lol. Chinese communists are doing just fine. Probably less mental illness and better aesthetics than the western variety too.
Absolute retardation. Do your parents know this is what you do alone in your room?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:22:51 No. 677399
>When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:53:48 No. 677441
>>677222 ignoring that most of the predictions made by Marxists came true right rightoid, 70% persent is far better than the none your ideology spergs about.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:05:59 No. 677444
>>677222 God damn you’re retarded if you think those are convincing arguments
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:11:08 No. 677450
>>675374 Have you ever read anything that wasn’t a Wiki article?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:47:46 No. 677487
>>677222 >That explains your faggy pretensions. You're not 'half from south asia.' One of your parents is from South Asia. You're their lame spoiled child raised in the west. I literally work doing production manufacturing and welding.
>Lol, the whole thing is crying about inequality and divisions between classes, mixed in with a bunch of predictions that never came true and prescriptions which didn't pan out Do I have to quote you where both Marx and Engels specifically make it clear that "equality" has nothing to do with their analysis? Also, Marx was entirely correct in his analysis of capitalism, save for zone thing in Capital III.
>Lol. Why try to unite the working class against the bourgeoisie if not for a primary value rested in equality. Because class it itself determined by ones position relative to the mechanisms of capitalism itself, and it is by the make up of the system itself that an antagonism of the classes grows due to their competing, and irreconcilable,
>>677222 >That explains your faggy pretensions. You're not 'half from south asia.' One of your parents is from South Asia. You're their lame spoiled child raised in the west. I literally work doing production manufacturing and welding.
>Lol, the whole thing is crying about inequality and divisions between classes, mixed in with a bunch of predictions that never came true and prescriptions which didn't pan out Do I have to quote you where both Marx and Engels specifically make it clear that "equality" has nothing to do with their analysis? Also, Marx was entirely correct in his analysis of capitalism, save for zone thing in Capital III.
>Lol. Why try to unite the working class against the bourgeoisie if not for a primary value rested in equality. Because class it itself determined by ones position relative to the mechanisms of capitalism itself, and it is by the make up of the system itself that an antagonism of the classes grows due to their competing and irreconcilable material interests. On a deeper level, the system is itself not sustainable due to the falling rate of profit which itself exacerbates class conflict, and the only way out which preserves society is to supercede the mechanisms of the system itself and move past capitalism. The alternative is mutual ruin.
>It kinda is… Except it isn't. Otherwise you're playing extremely loose with the term "far right".
>Obviously never been to China, Vietnam, or Laos. Know people from there well enough to know you're speaking shit. Actual existing figures are not "mythological characters".
>Lol, nice cope Not an answer, and it's the truth.
>More evidence that you're a clue baizou, pic related That has to do with an assumption of wealth and a more sheltered upbringing then race you fag. In the Philippines, darker skin is associated with those who labour outside more and live in both poorer and more rural areas, while light skin is associated with being from wealthier areas and being "unblemished" and removed from the working class. It's entirely a class thing, with a bit of latent colonialism mixed in.
>Lol, 'permit' Yes, in the same way everyone else is.
>So who forced the capitalists to be capitalist in the first place then, lol. The historical materialist development of the economies of the world and their modes of production. So technically, the feudal system that preceded the capitalists is what eventually brother them, just how the capitalist system after began the birth of socialist revolution from it.
>Absolute retardation. Do your parents know this is what you do alone in your room? I work the vast majority of the time or resting after it to get ready for the next day, when I make posts here it's during the limited time I have free.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:49:33 No. 677489
>>677487 *eventually birthed them
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:01:33 No. 679302
>>677399 Based and Jesus-pilled
This is the only correct reading of Scripture in regards to end times prophecy until otherwise disproved. The fact that so little people pick up on this should be itself proof of its veracity.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 21:19:15 No. 690121
>>656887 Would stoning be the preferred method of execution in a communist utopia?
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 01:51:53 No. 690369
>>657162 >>656768 The authoritarian, fantastical Abrahamic mind virus will never be compatible with a materialistic analysis of the world. Except as the most petty of rhetorical tools, the ideas of Christian and Muslim charity are incompatible with the abolition of private property relations and worker power.
I respect Muslims in this Anglo-Christian dominated world, but after the revolution comes and those hierarchies are defeated you WILL eat the bacon.
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