/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Maybe, i would like the place i live right now to be socialist though.

Maybe. It'd be interesting to see what they would be like in 2021.

>>667118
Marxism understander just logged in.

>>667118
>It has been objected that upon the abolition of private property, all work will cease, and universal laziness will overtake us. According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness; for those who acquire anything, do not work. The whole of this objection is but another expression of the tautology: There can no longer be any wage labour when there is no longer any capital.
I mean workers under the Soviet union didn't work under the love of their fellow man. They did so cause there were consequences if they didn't. I think Mr Marx made a big assumption right there.

I'd probably be spying for the KGB all things considered.

Cozy as it is, Socialism will forever be under siege as long as Caps are around. Khrushchev's biggest mistake was trying to make "peaceful coexistence" a thing rather than go on the offensive.

>>667091
Of course I would.

>>667156
If the us turned communist who would try to mess it up?
China?
Also why does the cpusa promote a 30 work week?
Marx said 20 work week.

>>667161
Where did Marx say 20 hours?

>>667163
Oh he didn't?
My bad, Keynes did say a 15 hour week though.
It's just hard to get excited about a 30 hour work week. 20 hours sounds just right.

A better thread would be "the socialist countries never collapsed, what country in the Eastern bloc do you want to visit?" I will make it

>>667170
I dunno if he said it or not, which is why I asked. Don’t assume a question is immediately a challenge

>>667156
fucking based and correct

I was born in USSR, if it wasn't dismantled I would've live there.
Probably a much better life than now.

>>667161
>If the us turned communist who would try to mess it up?
Depends really, I could see some psychotic European Fascists thinking it's time for Age of Colonialism 2: Electric Boogaloo. America's transition to Communism would leave a hole that other powers try to exploit, possibly Japan in the Pacific, France in Africa, etc.
As for the 30 hour workweek thing, if I had to guess, it's because it's hard enough convincing people there's a way out of capitalism. Tell people you want them to work any less than 30 hours and they're liable to think you're some immature nut promising them free candy and blowjobs.

>>667240
Жалко, что еще не существует. Вряд ли его восстановят, но можно что-то новое, похожее на него сотворить.

>>667249
>Tell people you want them to work any less than 30 hours and they're liable to think you're some immature nut promising them free candy and blowjobs.
Not if you sell it right.
Yang got pretty far with his ubi proposal even if he didn't get elected, he made a compelling case.
And Europe would be the last place I'd expect to be a threat. Hell some people over there pay to go see Karl Marx's grave.

>>667249
>America's transition to Communism would leave a hole that other powers try to exploit, possibly Japan in the Pacific, France in Africa, etc.
And China?

>>667115
Praxis

>>667161
We produce over 5 times the value per hour we did when we got the 40 hr work week. We should be working 8 hrs a week and unemployment should be a thing of the past instead of the constant threat of the elite class against the people.

>>667091
Yes absolutely. The only reason I haven't moved to Cuba or the DPRK is because I am probably more useful organising at home as I am a humanities student not an engineer who could be useful in those countries. Maybe I will move to Cuba anyway once I've got my degree.

The USSR and other socialist countries are the only places in history where the proletariat has ever held power, so absolutely, if they'd have me, although of course the entire world must be communist.

Fucking kills me knowing that the USSR was destroyed. People, even here, don't really comprehend what a bastion it was, even after Khrushchev. What it represented and aspired to. It inspires endless hatred, howling and snarling among reactionaries and our class enemies for a reason. When you comprehend how much the bourgeoisie hate us and despise the thought of the proletariat standing on its own two feet and overthrowing the ruling class, then all the misgivings over the USSR fade away.

Even if the USSR had made 99 mistakes for every 1 success I'd still defend it, but really it was much more successful than that.

Even if the proletariat is defeated, at least we can look at the USSR and say that something marvelous was built, something which stood for the highest idea in the world.

>>667091
I live in the "eastern bloc".

>would you in an alternative scenario move to the Eastern Bloc or the Soviet Union
I would stay here, yes.

>you get to have multiple political parties which by liberal standards of democracy counts as a democracy.
That's not a democracy.

>But that is not to say most of the Eastern Bloc Nations would be democratic.
If they managed to avoid the collapse they would necessarily become MORE democratic than they ALREADY were. That's self-evident if you know anything about the protests in the 80s.

>>667091
I would, if given a chance to.

>>667091
No, that is LARPING, btw u can still move to communist countries.

>>667161
>China?
If they are applying communism, no. Unless capitalists forces decide to create a complete Sino-Anglo-American split paired to the level of the Sino-Soviet split. But I guess we are beyond pst that circumstances and we can foresee their tricks and reject them completely and the international communist community can and should proactively prevent, and if not able to prevent, remedy such grievances.