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 No.667916

why stalin was justified in the purges, in regards to getting rid of yagoda

the park chung hee guy that i listed here relied heavily on the kcia to keep his control. The problem is though was that his last chief of the kcia had connections to the korean protestors/opposition and failed to attack them to the point park got frustated. Kim jae gyu sympathized with the opposition and felt that park chung hee was taking the country towards a wrong direction However park ignored kim, and sought over time to replace him slowly with someone else which angered kim. And in one of the most fascinating events in sk history kim jae gyu, the literal head of the kcia shot park chung hee in a resturant during oct 26. Now how does this connect to stalin simple yagoda.

Yagoda was stalins chief of the nkvd in the soviet union. The problem is tho that just like kim, yagoda had some ties with a secret underground opposition, and also sympathized with the rightist opposition, to the point burkharin thought that he was a possible ally. Additionally yagoda seemed to have failed at doing his job, aka he failed to reporting about the bloc of oppositions until it was really late, 1936

now how does these two situations connect, simple it shows that stalin was justified in getting rid of yagoda, for when park expirenced a simmilar situation, parks delay of getting rid of kim allowed kim to thave the opprtunity and chance to kill park. But wait you may say, from the sound of the first paragraph it looks like park set up the conditions that made kim want to kill park. The thing is tho i didnt type the full picture for kim even before park tried to get rid of him, may have wanted to get rid of park by early as 1973. Kim for example in 1973 actually had close ties even back then with opposition leaders, to the point opposition leaders expected kim to kill park in 1973 during a meeting And if you look at a 1973 recording of that meeting, you could see a literal metalic object like a gun hidden in kims sleeve.

so if we look at history stalin was justified in the purges in the case of yagoda, for when we look at a simmilar situation aka park chung hee, park chung hee refusal to get rid of kim until it was too late caused park to die. And thus if stalin didnt get rid of yagoda, then who wouldnt say that just like the park situation, yagoda would get the opprutunity to kill or get rid of stalin just like kim got rid of park

 No.667919

Damn, being a party member is dangerous business

 No.668292

Now do Bukharin

 No.668308

>>667916
>And if you look at a 1973 recording of that meeting, you could see a literal metalic object like a gun hidden in kims sleeve.
Do you have the video?

 No.668313

What…. if stalin was so good, then how come everyone says he's evil???
I am having second thoughts about being a tankie now. Maybe Vaus was right after all?

 No.668316

>>668308
I am going to try to find this but i got the info from here

More significantly, Kim appears to have had a close relationship with Jang Jun-ha, widely respected leader of the democracy movement as a former Liberation Army officer, opposition lawmaker, and publisher of the monthly journal World of Ideology. According to Jang Ho-kweon, Jang's eldest son and current publisher of the journal, Jang told him that Kim was a patriotic soldier whom he would one day work together with for democracy.[3] In 1979, Kim claimed to his lawyer that his first attempt to assassinate Park was on September 14, 1974 when he was appointed to be Construction Minister. A newsreel of this event shows something protruding in Kim's pocket when he shook hands with Park. According to the Reverend Yi Hae-hak, who was imprisoned with Jang Jun-ha when Jang was sentenced to fifteen years for creating a petition campaign against the Yushin Constitution, Jang knew of Kim's plan to assassinate Park and was very disappointed when it did not take place, uttering to himself, "Is it that great to be a minister?". After Jang died under suspicious circumstances while climbing a mountain in 1975, Kim secretly provided financial assistance to Jang's family. When Kim later became KCIA director in 1976, he told Jang's son with deep regret that Jang's death was not accidental as officially announced, but that the regime was involved.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jae-gyu


According to Cardinal Kim Sou-hwan, another leading figure in democracy movement, Kim (then KCIA deputy director) came to see him whenever there was political crisis. In 1975, he asked Cardinal Kim to speak with President Park to come up with the "third way," that is, to somehow amend the Yushin Constitution in a way that was acceptable to Park. According to Cardinal Kim, Kim compared President Park to "a sick patient" who needed weak medicine initially. Kim believed that the Catholic cardinal was the only person who could speak frankly to Park without repercussion and was disappointed when the talk was essentially fruitless.[2] Kim's association with two key figures of democracy movement - Jang Jun-ha and Cardinal Kim Sou-hwan - led some to reconsider Kim's motive in assassinating Park.

As Construction Minister (1974–1976), Kim promoted the entry of Korean construction companies into Saudi Arabia, increasing South Korean export to the Middle East twentyfold from $45 million in 1973 to $900 million in 1976 and thus making Saudi Arabia the fourth most important overseas market,[4] which helped South Korea weather the 1973 oil crisis.

 No.668317

>>668316
also i fucked up it was 1974 and the gun was in kims pocket

 No.674650

also ive found this

A day later, he was replaced by Nikolai Yezhov. There are two theories as to why Yagoda did not report on the bloc earlier. He may have found out about it only in 1936, or he knew about its activities for some time but covered it up because of his sympathies to the opposition.[19] According to the anti-communist soviet defector Grigori Tokaev, who was an underground participant in an oppositional group,[23] the opposition was working with parts of the police and Yagoda himself:

He [Yagoda] was removed from the NKVD, and we lost a strong link in our opposition intelligence service. (…) The NKVD, now headed by Yezhov, took another step forward. The Little Politbureau had penetrated the Yenukidze-Sheboldayev and the Yagoda-Zelinsky conspiracies and broken through the opposition’s links within the central institutions of the political police.[24]

Yagoda was demoted to the post of People's Commissar for Post and Telegraph.

 No.674907

Ok but then Yezhov was killed after taking over from Yagoda and in Yezhov's final confession he was defiant and accused the authorities of torturing him into a false confession so they could kill him for treason.

I don't think we will ever discover the truth behind the Great Purge period. Every single narrative, whether it's ML or Trotsykist or Liberal has major flaws.


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