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A thread for anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninists who apply and stick by the tried-and-tested principles of communism; revolutionary armed struggle, the necessity of socialist construction via economic planning, the need for dictatorship of the proletariat, rejection of social-democracy, proletarian internationalism, democratic centralism, anti-imperialism and the centrality of class struggle.

No Dengism.
No social-democracy.
No Khrushchevites.
No Titoites.
No Eurocommunists.
No anarchism.

All those who defend these principles are welcome, whether Hoxhaist, Maoist, or otherwise.

READING LIST
The real Stalin series.
https://espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/

Eurocommunism is Anti-Communism
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/euroco/env2-1.htm

Yugoslav "Self-Administration" – Capitalist Theory and Practice
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/1978/yugoslavia/index.htm

The Titoites
http://www.marx2mao.com/Other/TT82NB.html

The Revisionist Attack on Marxist-Leninist Economics
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/periodicals/marxist-leninist-research-bureau/mlrb-02.pdf

Principles of Marxism-Leninism: A Study Course
https://espressostalinist.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/principles-of-marxism-leninism-a-study-course/

The Khrushchevites
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/1976/khruschevites/index.htm

Useful websites.
https://www.mltranslations.org/
https://espressostalinist.com/
https://neodemocracy.blogspot.com/
https://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/erol.htm

Feel feel to contribute more.
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 No.675352

Posting some communist news sites that take a Maoist perspective. Don't always agree but they're interesting nonetheless.

https://www.redspark.nu/en/
http://www.wyzxwk.com/

 No.675353

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>>675347
>espressostalinist

 No.675400

>>675353
>newfag

 No.675406

>>675400
my sides

 No.677901

I called myself a Maoist for so long, but after reading Hoxha it’s very obvious who was correct. The one thing I don’t know how to reconcile is revolutionary optimism. The future seems so bleak. How to Hoxhaists retain revolutionary optimism?

 No.677920

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>>677901
>Hoxhaism

 No.678002

>>677901
Communists have pulled off revolutions before when things seemed even worse. Marxism-Leninism demonstrates the revolutionary history and struggles of the proletariat.

 No.679548

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Maoist-Hoxhaist solidarity

 No.679564

>>679548
ftfy "retard-retard solidarity"

 No.680866

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>>679564
>ftfy "retard-retard solidarity"
Revisionist scum

 No.680941

What does everyone in this thread think of this dude?

 No.680996

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>>679548
Maoists and Hoxhaists are the only serious MLs.

 No.681000

>>680996
The most relevant forms of Marxism-Leninism exist in China, Cuba, DPRK, Laos, and Vietnam.

 No.681028

>>680941
One of the best American communists.

 No.681036

>>681000
Only Cuba and the DPRK have anything to teach these days.

 No.681058

>>680996
>Maoists
>Serious MLs
How do you reconcile this with all the shit Maoist China did?

 No.681067

>>681058
The positives outweigh the negatives.
Mao did make some major mistakes, far more than Lenin or Stalin (the 70-30 thing is bullshit, more like 98-2 for Stalin). But Maoist China was still such a gigantic improvement and in comparison to modern China, much better for workers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naDMFxOggFg&list=PLCr5Mmf-b6BDFZM_Rs8Ur67KqKNoPweCh

 No.681562

>>680941
A centrist for most of his life as a Communist who was not as bad as Browder but that's not a high bar at all. He ultimately sided with the turn of the CPSU to Khrushchev's modern revisionism which made the "rescue" of the CPUSA from Browder's liquidationist actions look like a Pyrrhic victory in hindsight.

 No.681598

>>681067
>98-2
why give them the two points anyway if you've decided to balls-out lie it's not like it makes your drivel any more believable

 No.681797

>>681598
Because everyone makes mistakes. Stalin himself admitted that, but the mark of a true communist is not being afraid of mistakes, and striving for improvement and correction.

 No.682819

>>680941
Take a shot every time Maupin says "ummm" or "you know."

 No.682857

>>680941
This video is 100% hagiography.

>>681562
This.

 No.682861

>>681797
I guess liquidating nearly the entirety of the opposition, then liquidating most of the liquidators is just another way of "not being afraid of mistakes, and striving for improvement and correction."

 No.682869

>>682857
>hagiography
Wut?

 No.682882

>>677920
I was hanging around some Trots one time and they flew some bigwig in their org in for a "conference" and I went out to dinner with them afterwards. Well, I was flirting with this trans girl who was there and she told me (I don't remember how this came up exactly) that she hooked up with a Hoxhaist, and I snarked "was it in a bunker?" And then she laughed and also gave me her number and the bigwig Trot heard everything and she seemed really offended. That org broke up and imploded shortly thereafter on a national scale.

Anyways that's my Hoxhaist story.

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Most common surname by district in Albania. Incredible how this map is also a religious map. Marku - Gjokaj clearly the catholics of the North. Hoxha the muslims everywhere. Papa the orthodoxes of the south and Shehu shows where are the Bektashis.

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>>681028
There are no good "American communists."

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 No.684341

>>684328
America will never be communist and all American communists have been sellouts. The only hope are the Afrikan nation and the indigenous.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

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bump

 No.685211

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Is there a difference between anti-revisionists who hold the maoist line and MLM?

 No.685246

>>677901
I'm basically at this stage, but I don't think you need to discard Mao in favour of Hoxha, rather Hoxha has added to the Maoist position. I think a consistent Maoist position recognises the revisionism that took place in China nearing the end of Mao's life anyway.

What Mao holds about peoples war, serving the people, the national struggle, etc, a lot of this was either true at the time or remains true.

All his tactical advice is sound advice. Geopolitically, Hoxha is more on the money, and in a way he advanced Maoist theory by including urban guerrilla warfare, which is an important development given the massive urbanisation of the 20th century.

In terms of revolutionary optimism, obviously you don't want to be an insane trot who preaches that revolution is just round the corner if only we sell a bunch of papers, but we must be of the mindset that revolution is possible, and must be taken seriously as a possibility, and therefore every step we take should be with the concrete idea of revolution and everything that entails in mind, from the first step to the last.

One thing I disagree with Hoxha and probably many in this thread on is Yugoslavia, while Tito had his problems, he was clearly a resolute anti fascist and highly capable popular leader, which he demonstrated in high esteem. i don't think isolating Yugoslavia was the tactically correct decision

 No.685331

>>685246
>In terms of revolutionary optimism, obviously you don't want to be an insane trot who preaches that revolution is just round the corner if only we sell a bunch of papers, but we must be of the mindset that revolution is possible, and must be taken seriously as a possibility, and therefore every step we take should be with the concrete idea of revolution and everything that entails in mind, from the first step to the last.

Have you ever wondered trots sell papers and Maoists give out red books because they don't actually have any revolutionary potential?

 No.685333

>>685131
This thread has like 5 self-bumps. Funny how nobody, but the usual weirdos cares about your sectarian LARP

 No.685366

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>>684315
So Enver was a true man of the people with a common name. Also find it cool that he was a teacher and that's what his name meant.

 No.685397

>>685333
Notice how people shittalking this thread have not offered any arguments whatsoever, just whining

 No.685514

Self-Reliance under Socialism. The Case of Albania

https://sci-hub.se/https://www.jstor.org/stable/424349

>>685246
Maoists and Hoxhaists need to reunite. I regard Maoists as great communists.

 No.685519

>>685397
Notice how none of the states or experiments you hold dear are alive anymore? 1 self-bump is already pathetic enough, but several in one thread? Nobody cares about your sects offline. Trust me

 No.685549

>>685519
You're just objectively wrong on that one, buddy

 No.685653

>>684341
Wow…

 No.685737

>>685397
It's because you can't argue with people who rely completely on tautology.

 No.685837

>>669645
cockshott now associates w/cpb(ml), a bunch of moribund geriatrics playing up the most chauvinistic attitudes of britains labour aristocracy by hating on the immigrants.

has good form for this tho. he's an armchair organiser whose marxism-leninism has historically included defending the partition of ireland, the british monarchy, and israel. i personally would not consider BICO's pre-Twitter "hot take" narcissistic intellectualism to be any flavour of anti-revisionist, but ymmv.

 No.685975

>>685837
Actually, Cockshot is a member of the ALBA party these days, which was supposedly a left wing split from the SNP lead by Alex Salmond, but has basically come to nothing. I voted for them purely on the basis of Cockshott being part of them (kek) it was a mistake, but voting is useless anyway where I live SNP just gets all the seats.

 No.686693

>>685975
he has previous, with the scottish workers party, & i kno he's familiar with alba, but if personal correspondence is anything to be believed he's in with cpbml too.

 No.686710

>>686693
Nah man like he’s a literal paid up member, he’s fb friends with a bunch of people I know he regularly gets in flame wars it’s kek

 No.686712

>>686693
>workers party of Scotland

Never heard of these before, but

> In 1972, founder and Gorbals electoral candidate Matt Lygate and fellow WPS(ML) member Colin Lawson were convicted (along with two non-members[1]) for armed robbery of the Royal Bank of Scotland, having been arrested the previous year following a tip off. The WPS (ML) released a statement that Lygate's group acted without authorisation[1] although their purported aim had been to raise money for party funds. Lygate received the longest prison sentence in Scottish legal history for a non-violent crime, receiving 24 years and serving 11. They were originally to be prosecuted for treason, the first case since John Maclean, but the charges were later dropped to bank robbery.


Kek

 No.686748

Mao was fucking idiot and social imperialist who wanted to colonize Albania just like Tito, Khruschev and Brezhnev. Fuck him

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>>686748
Most of the time I hold a fairly mixed view of Mao
and think Hoxha was much more correct.

But when I see Dengtardism/Khrushchevism, I have to defend the big chairman you know?

 No.691422

>>691391
Same tbh


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