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 No.669152

https://www.roughtype.com/?p=9020

Look at the excerpts from this interview with Marc Andreessen, who, though a famous technological venture capitalist pioneer, is ironically only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the underlying network of figures involved.

Look at this. Instead of cynically coping, really look at the implications it sets out. Even if the vision outlined somehow fails, at least understand what the ideology possessed by some of the most influential members of society actually looks like. What they really believe and desire. It's like an inverted futurism, because at least futurism was populistic–this is anything but. If these people fail in one instance, their power doesn't suddenly vanish. They will continue trying and envisioning until their ideology is blotted out. That's what really matters. Look at the ideological implications of their ambitions and beliefs. And make no mistake, in their techno-fetishism, these people are unabashedly unipolar and unabashedly neo-neo-colonialist. In their narrow, hyper-modern perspective, the less 'technical' a society is, the more directly subhuman it must be.

So. the metaverse really is a posthuman vision defined under the predicate of Silicon Valley's neo-Darwinian/Malthusian assumption that people's natural inequality lends itself to a state of reality which, in itself, cannot possibly be improved.

This could just be written off as an edgy reactionary ideological tripe, but the problem is… this view is heralded by the most financially powerful and influential figures in the world, and we, the masses, can do so little to stop it, enthralled under the helm of Capital's demands.

This anti-human, anti-egalitarian, neoreactionary ugly bald fuck really pretty much is just explicitly saying, 'yes you will live in a pod, eat bugs, and like it–there is no alternative, you are naturally where you deserve to be, and this is reflective of where you can only ever be, by virtue of your innate inability.'

If you are doubting that this is the future, cynically assuming that the metaverse is just going to be some failed venture, then you really aren't paying attention. Look at the present economic state of things already, look at the ultra-corporate monopoly of Amazon etc. and the increasingly divorced housing market, the precarious gig-economy and lack of sustainable career prospects for everyone who isn't an already established tech-bro or doctor. Look at the ever-increasing degree of financial inequality between everyday people vs. the PMC vs. the fact that, despite this, Capital's artificial graphs go UP, not down. You think that for some reason things can't proceed further down this path? Things ARE going to get worse, they are going to further affirm like this; we're already practically living in techno-feudalism. There's little practical reason, especially accounting for the power these overlords have, to assume no further techno-social accentuation and economic stratification. You think this won't eventually subsume everything, becoming as implicitly mandatory for employment as cellphones or cars? Look how unabridged the once distant gap between offline and the real-world already is in terms of cultural engagement. The internet is a part of life which even the poorest of us can't ignore. The metaverse will aspire towards that same scale of necessity.

The stakes really were always just a Landian, cyberpunk vision of posthumanism posed against the potential substance of the real world; no luddite appeal is needed to recognize the issue, only an undying insistence that in the material world there is something worth fighting for, the idea that the possibility of our earthly improvement is, as Marx wrote in the theses on Feuerbach, something we can make in our image. Marxism understands that the distinction between reality and virtuality is false; that our own nature, as found in the nature of the real world, is primarily up to us, at least in terms of historicity. Virtual life, after all, derives as none other than a part of nature already, never really being 'transcendent', still belonging to materiality proper. But with such a widening disparity between the masses and those above, how can this Marxian premise ever be actualized? This isn't the 1800s anymore, 1st world revolution isn't possible by the barrel of some peasantrys' guns.

Things are really fucked, if you look behind the scenes. I hate to sound Eugene-post'ish, but like… the eugenic ideals of those on top are rearing their fangs as blatantly as ever here, and people still aren't concerned? I don't think, like Eugene does, that everything is somehow eugenics. But to pretend at this point like some of the most powerful people in the entire world don't explicitly endorse and orient, and act according to a worldview which is built around these principles AT LEAST PARTIALLY, is preposterously naive.

 No.669156

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man imagine being this hyped up about second life 2.0

 No.669157

>>669156
Man imagine ignoring the substance of what I wrote.

"Look at this. Instead of cynically coping, really look at the implications it sets out. Even if the vision outlined somehow fails, at least understand what the ideology possessed by some of the most influential members of society actually looks like. What they really believe and desire. It's like an inverted futurism, because at least futurism was populistic–this is anything but. If these people fail in one instance, their power doesn't suddenly vanish. They will continue trying and envisioning until their ideology is blotted out. That's what really matters. Look at the ideological implications of their ambitions and beliefs. And make no mistake, in their techno-fetishism, these people are unabashedly unipolar and unabashedly neo-neo-colonialist. In their narrow, hyper-modern perspective, the less 'technical' a society is, the more directly subhuman it must be."

Sure, let's imagine 'second life two' fails. Irrelevant. What fundamentally matters is that, for the first time, people at this level of power are explicitly laying out their anti-human perspective. If this venture fails, they'll just come up with another one. They have the power, you don't. Their fundamental intent is to eradicate humanity.

 No.669158

The tech specific part seems to be an Ameriburger problem though.
I've been told that social media, especially facebook is essential, (can't get a job, date, pizza without it), and yet I've still never felt the need to visit the site once.
My disinterest in facebook is now likely to outlive the product and even the company.
"Metaverse" will likely be the same. Ameriburgers will adopt it practically over night, and everyone else will be left scratching their heads as to why they're so stupid.

Also, techno-feudalism is just capitalism.

 No.669159

>>669158
I'd have no problem with America insularly fucking itself with its own stupidity, as it is want to do often already, were it not for the fact that America can never keep to itself. It's notorious for that hegemonic worldly desire, and colonial insistence on unipolarity. America can never see itself as simply 'doing its own thing', it always sees itself as the arbiter of what's optimal and ideal in the world, and sees everyone who doesn't comport with their standard as inherently inferior, either in need then of salvation or death.
And yeah, techno-feudalism is a coterminous shorthand for capitalism… at this point. And therein lies precisely the problem, as well the precondition for further acceleration down this dark path.

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>>669157
>Their fundamental intent is to eradicate humanity.
They will fail.

 No.669239

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>>669152
>there is no alternative
Many people have said that there is no alternative to their rule, but there always is an alternative. Everything is a democracy, sometimes rulers are unelected in a voting booths other times they are unelected by other means for democracy, like a firing squat or a guillotine.

>the masses, can do so little to stop it

The rulers can do little to stop the masses, every ruler in all of history that got in the way of the masses, died of hubris, this time won't be any different.

>If you are doubting that this is the future, cynically assuming that the metaverse is just going to be some failed venture,

The facebookverse won't fail because of cynicism, it will fail because it lacks a killer feature.

VR-porn could be a thing
VR-games might be a thing
VR for entertainment for waiting-time in hospitals or travel could definitely be a thing
VR-cad for designing machine blueprints might be a thing
but VR facebook, why ?
Is there a 3D curse or something that makes the 3dbros pick the wrong industry, first they tried to make 3D cinema a thing and failed over and over with that, and now this ?

>then you really aren't paying attention.

If you were paying attention, you'd see that demographic changes will bring back the political economy of labor and it will overrule the political economy of capital. The other pillar of neoliberal power rested on them being able to do arbitrage between the western proletariat and the eastern proletariat, and that's ending as well. They are going to evaporate in a decade or two.

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>Things are really fucked, if you look behind the scenes. I hate to sound Eugene-post'ish, but like… the eugenic ideals of those on top are rearing their fangs as blatantly as ever here,

>>669157
>What fundamentally matters is that, for the first time, people at this level of power are explicitly laying out their anti-human perspective. If this venture fails, they'll just come up with another one. Their fundamental intent is to eradicate humanity.

We know, they are like apex predators or something, and they have an ideology of contempt for their "pray". But look at what humanity has done to all the other apex predators, they're either extinct or an endangered species now. Look at what happened the last time somebody tried to implement a truly anti human ideology, Nazis got reduced to pulp and rubble.

The bigtech bourgeoisie in China already had it's power broken in China, and it wasn't even a big fight, it was more the CPC giving them a stern look and then they caved. So the absolute worst outcome for "the future of humanity" is that the west destroys it self (again). And then has to join the BRI to rebuild. It would be devastating for hundreds of millions of people, but it would not threaten the survival of humanity.

The reason why people feel so bad is because of a broken expectation, we all assumed that shit like this was history, that we could focus on making human existence more pleasant, diverting more effort towards interesting things like exploration or creative endeavors. But now it turns out we have have to go smash yet another obstacle before we can get to the good part of life, it's just so exasperating.

 No.669285

We can stop it.

 No.669287

Test

 No.669292

>>669156
/Thread

 No.669312

Mate the truth is
You should watch Prolekult
The capitalist class can plainly see that they have well and truly fucked mankind
Not just them, but their “ancestors” if you will, every generation of porky before them, all consciously destroying our world in various ways, until now the weight of their crimes have brought the conditions of our society and planet into a terminal crisis
The cumulative actions of the capitalist ruling class has effectively triggered a mass extinction, you should fully understand the meaning of this
Eugene rants about eugenics, I mock him because he doesn’t know the half of it
What the imperialist states and their rulers have done goes beyond the genocides they committed in the past, it goes beyond their most savage wars and most murderous crimes to date; they’ve so damaged the various systems upholding Earth’s present habitability that all peoples and all living things over the world are now threatened with destruction, even the peoples in their own nations. They did and do this knowingly, they have not only refused to stop but accelerate their actions even now. What’s more they prepare for war, they prepare for an open and truly repulsive fascist dictatorship over the working class in the face of this awful fate they’ve conjured. They expect crisis, existential crisis, and have given their answer; they will meet it with bunkers and bullets, their rule of the working class will finally be made explicit, a rule of blood and only blood, a truly modern reincarnation of the Third Reich for a truly modern age, a Reich born to assure in the apocalypse.

I think that writer, Ian Wright, was on to something saying that Capitalism almost seems like a Lovecraftian deity disguising itself as a society, sometimes it can be useful to think in analogies, and when you think about it, the capitalist class has effectively or is attempting to sacrifice the human to live like gods among all people, and all they’ve ultimately accomplished is a chance to be ghouls standing in Hell among the grave of their own species

I think, if anything, Eugene severely underestimates how bad things truly are and fails to see that the evil of our rulers is truly beyond limits

 No.669316

>>669239
Unfortunately, the stakes are much higher than you’re making them out to be, a major problem leftypol tends to have is in comforting themselves in believing that their stakes and the abilities of the enemy are the same now as they were in Russia, in 1917, but they just aren’t
The socialist movement now is the first and only ones tasked with truly saving the world in a way, even the Third Reich was doomed to eventually and likely swiftly crumble even if it somehow won the Second World War
The struggle now, is for the future in a way it has never been, and I believe the enemy is more potentially deranged, twisted, vile, than the ones thus far put down in history books, I feel the crimes of the ruling class and reactionary forces in this century will be unprecedented

That being said, you make the truest point there is, that hope cannot be abandoned, because this generation of workers has the most important struggle in human history ahead of it

 No.669322

>>669312
It's bad sure but stop being so negative. Workers defeated fascism before.

 No.669324

Also let's be real here the goal of the bourgeoisie isn't a Matrix type world, they just want the proletariat to die.

 No.669325

>>669322
Didn’t read

 No.669327

>>669325
You should as I actually agree for once.

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 No.669342

Stop falling for marketing ffs

 No.669343

>>669342
I'm gonna take everything at face valuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 No.669368

>>669316
>Unfortunately, the stakes are much higher.
They are not really all that powerful, if they are trying to do eugenics again, they can be killed off, even on short notice. There are enough capitalists that do not have the eugenics bug, and they'll be great-full to have their competition taken out of the picture. This particular problem doesn't really need the full heft of Soviet power, it's not the 20th century anymore

 No.669376

>>669368
The threat isn’t at all about what the capitalist class themselves are capable of, I’m hopeful because I don’t think they’re at all beyond the power of a united working class, the actual threat is the mass extinction they’re unleashing and the fact that the longer they hold onto power the worse things will get and the worse conditions get the more violent and cruel and openly dictatorial they will come and once the two classes come to blows there will still be a long and likely bloody fight
The mission is genuinely to save the world compared to what occurred in 1917, like I said, the people here are so stuck on the past they often forget that the biggest wildcards effecting the 21st Century Crisis is the combination of the destabilization of Earth’s climate and thus its habitats, the proliferation of plastics into the environment, the accelerating collapse of the current biosphere, depletion of soil nutrition around the world; people here really don’t focus enough about the actual problems affecting the people of our time, it’s so frustrating, people so obsessed with geopolitics and history from the past century, but utterly indifferent to the crises occurring right now or on the horizon

At least the pandemic thread gets used


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